Joe Rogan Experience #1683 - Andrew Huberman

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. AHAndrew Huberman0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. AHAndrew Huberman0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Are we rolling? Oh, there we go. We're rolling now. Yeah, well, anyway, um, I'm just a giant fan of CBD. I use it constantly.

   5. AHAndrew Huberman0:21

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      I use it for, uh, like I use, uh, the roll-ons for muscle aches.

   7. AHAndrew Huberman0:26

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      And I use, uh, gummies, and, and cbdMD is one of my sponsors, but this, uh, Killkliff company, this is, uh, uh, this is actually, uh, a drink that I designed.

   9. AHAndrew Huberman0:35

      It tastes really good.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Thank you.

   11. AHAndrew Huberman0:37

       I like it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:38

       Thank you.

   13. AHAndrew Huberman0:38

       Yeah, so many of the questions w- I get are about anxiety, people are like, "How do I control my anxiety-"

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah.

   15. AHAndrew Huberman0:41

       ... if people are stressed. So the CBD is supposed to help with that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       It's supposed to help with that, and I think it does a little bit. Uh, y- one of the things that I've found is, uh, CBD with THC, uh, it- it alleviates even more.

   17. AHAndrew Huberman0:54

       I can imagine.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Like, you add a little THC to it-

   19. AHAndrew Huberman0:56

       Yeah, I can imagine-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yeah.

   21. AHAndrew Huberman0:56

       ... the THC probably takes the edge off.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       But it's also a balancing act. You know, the problem, like, I used to get, uh, CBD with THC from a local company in LA, and they were so inconsistent, in that, like, I'd, uh, I'd take, like, I had a thing, I'd do, like, three droplets. I'm like, "Okay, I got three droppers full," and then one day, I did three droppers, and I was on the fucking moon. (laughs)

   23. AHAndrew Huberman1:17

       (claps hands)

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       I was like, "What are you, what have you people done?"

   25. AHAndrew Huberman1:20

       Street-side chemistry.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Yeah, they're all-

   27. AHAndrew Huberman1:21

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:22

       ... bathtub chemists.

   29. AHAndrew Huberman1:23

       Well, that's the thing, the, um, I think with supplements, they're so poorly regulated.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:28

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Whatever has happened with…

   1. AHAndrew Huberman15:00

      "But is it reasonable to consider taking it as a preventative?" And he was like, "Yeah, I think that's a reasonable thing to do."

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Whatever has happened with me over the last year or so, uh, my vision has stopped decr- uh, deteriorating.

   3. AHAndrew Huberman15:12

      That's great.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      Yeah. It's-

   5. AHAndrew Huberman15:14

      I, I have another theory.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Okay.

   7. AHAndrew Huberman15:15

      Which is you're living in Texas now, no joke, and because... This isn't a joke. Um, because you're living in Texas, you're actually getting longer vista views. You're looking at things at a distance more often.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:26

      Hmm.

   9. AHAndrew Huberman15:26

      I'm guessing. I don't know your home environment or your lifestyle terribly much, but, at all, really, but, um, we know that long distance viewing and getting outside into sunlight can offset macular degeneration and myopia, nearsightedness.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Hmm.

   11. AHAndrew Huberman15:40

       There's a, a huge, meaning thousands of subjects, study that was done in the US, also overseas, so their multiple site clinical trial, showing that if children get outside for two hours a day, even if they're on their phones, I hate to say it, but even if they're on their phones and they're reading and doing their thing, they don't develop nearsightedness. And just being outside in natural light seems to help offset vision loss. And the reason is that the... when you look at things up close, the eyeball actually lengthens. And because there's a lens there, the light gets focused in front of the retina, not on the retina, which is what you need in order to pass that information to the brain, so that when you put on eyeglasses, you're basically giving it another lens to focus it to the right place. When you look at things at a distance, you a- you use the musculature of the eye in a process called accommodation. People can look it up. We don't have to get into the details. That lens becomes and, and remains bendy. The lens in your eye bends. It actually squishes and bends.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       Hmm.

   13. AHAndrew Huberman16:37

       It's not like a standard rigid lens. And so looking at things in the distance, getting natural light, actually blue light is good for us in this sense during the daytime, improves eye health, it reduces myopia and nearsightedness, and can offset the progression of age-related macular degeneration. Now, people shouldn't be blasting themselves with b- bright light 'cause that can cause other issues, but if... as long as the light isn't painful to look at, you're in, you're in safe territory.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       So if someone, um, is experiencing the beginning of macular degeneration, do you recommend going somewhere where you could see long distances and just concentrate on just... How often would/should you do something like that?

   15. AHAndrew Huberman17:13

       For every 30 minutes of looking at a screen or a phone, you should look off into the distance for about five minutes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:18

       Really?

   17. AHAndrew Huberman17:19

       Now, that doesn't mean you have to do the 1,000-mile stare. Just get outside and-

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       Mm-hmm.

   19. AHAndrew Huberman17:22

       I mean, we w- I hate that we weren't designed 'cause I wasn't consulted at the design phase and no one I know was either-

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:27

       (laughs)

   21. AHAndrew Huberman17:27

       ... so I... but we, we evolved from lifestyles of looking at things up close and far away. And we're just spending a ton of time now looking at things up close, and the visual system and the brain will adapt to that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:39

       Hmm.

   23. AHAndrew Huberman17:39

       So kids that grow up only looking at computers and screens and don't go outside, they require, like, Coke bottle thick glasses.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:44

       Right.

   25. AHAndrew Huberman17:45

       The, the nerd thing, like, that nerds wear glasses, part of that is because nerds spend a lot of time reading.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:50

       Right.

   27. AHAndrew Huberman17:50

       So, it's-

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:52

       It's real.

   29. AHAndrew Huberman17:52

       ... it's a real thing. Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:53

       Yeah. It's not just that they have glasses so th- they become nerds-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Oh, yeah. No, there's-…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      If you watch Conor's shin-... see, look, it kind of buckles right there. See that?

   2. AHAndrew Huberman30:05

      Oh, yeah. No, there's-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      That ain't good.

   4. AHAndrew Huberman30:07

      ... there's definitely something happening.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      Right. Now, right after it buckles there, this is what Jon put up, right afterwards, Conor then throws a front kick and that's it right there. And that front kick hits the knee. Now, as he puts it down, his knee's sh- his shin is shot now. Now he goes to throw a punch, he throws a punch and then as he steps back, no, he doesn't have it on his. If you go to mine, you'll see that. If you go to mine, go to my Instagram and you'll see, um, I reposted it from, uh, Eric Nicksick from, um, (smacks lips) uh, Xtreme Couture. So he's, he throws this front kick and as he throws the front kick, it hits the elbow at the points. He's throwing it up, see that? And bam, it catches it, and then it goes down. And right now, he's standing on that fractured. So he puts it behind him, watch. He puts it behind him, and then he throws the punch, and then when he goes to throw the punch, he picks the foot off the ground, right? Here's the left hand.

   6. AHAndrew Huberman31:09

      Oh, that almost looked like it bent back.

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:10

      But watch this. It did bend back, but watch this. Bang. Then it just gives out completely. See, it folds over.

   8. AHAndrew Huberman31:15

      Wow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:16

      So it was snapped above the ankle.

   10. AHAndrew Huberman31:20

       Yeah, that's, uh-

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:20

       It wasn't actually the ankle. It was above the ankle. Here's what's really crazy. There's been so many fights in the UFC and to have all these breaks in a row, there's been, uh, Jacare Souza got his arm broken, Chris Weidman got his leg broken. There's been a ton of breaks over and over and over again, over the last-

   12. AHAndrew Huberman31:42

       Wonder what the hell's going on.

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       Just people are getting good at breaking people's bones.

   14. AHAndrew Huberman31:45

       People are...

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:46

       It's re- really what it is. You know? And the Chris Weidman one's a freak accident. The craziest thing is, Chris Weidman, there's only been, I think, one, two, three, four, there's been four leg breaks like that in the UFC. In the history of the UFC, Chris Weidman's been involved in two of them. The odds are insane. Insane. Anderson Silva threw a kick, he checked it, Anderson broke his knee. He threw a kick, Uriah Hall checked it, or Anderson broke his leg rather, he threw it, Uriah Hall checked it, he broke his leg. Crazy.

   16. AHAndrew Huberman32:17

       That's crazy.

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       The odds, the odds of these things happening, like, in this, this number, are nuts.

   18. AHAndrew Huberman32:23

       That is crazy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:24

       Yeah.

   20. AHAndrew Huberman32:24

       A brutal sport. I mean-

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       Yeah.

   22. AHAndrew Huberman32:26

       ... like I said, I'm only recently exposed to it. I, I, I do not understand the ground game, 'cause as an outsider, there's just no way to comprehend. I can't, I can't tell who's in control, basically.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       Yeah, it's complicated. It's like watching chess if you don't understand the rules. Like, you're like, "Why is he allowed to move like that with that piece?"

   24. AHAndrew Huberman32:42

       Right. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       You know, it's, it's, uh, it's a real problem for judging because, uh, a lot of the judges don't understand the ground game either. It's getting better. The ones in Nevada are getting really good and th- that's the gold standard, but there's... The problem is, in other states, we'll go to these different states and the, um, MMA commissions are very new so they're using boxing judges and the boxing judges don't understand, s- some boxing judges, don't understand these submission techniques. If they've trained, that's ideal. Ideal, uh, you really should be at least a, a blue belt or above to, as a, as a referee, or as a judge, rather.

   26. AHAndrew Huberman33:20

       It seems right. In science, we don't let people review papers unless they have been in the game a long time.

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:25

       Yeah.

   28. AHAndrew Huberman33:25

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:26

       It's co-

   30. AHAndrew Huberman33:26

       Careers are on the line.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   (laughs) …

   1. AHAndrew Huberman45:00

      this stuff-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      (laughs)

   3. AHAndrew Huberman45:00

      ... people are probably be thinking like, you know, "Huberman's running gear out of the back of his cars." That's not what this is about. Is that I, I do a certain amount of work with military and I do a certain amount of work with professional athletes who cannot take androgen compounds out of a syringe because they'll lose their job.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      Right.

   5. AHAndrew Huberman45:17

      Or they've been doing that and they wanna come off. Although, and I'm not gonna out the organization, but there is one major professional sports organization where, let's just say, if somebody gets injured, they have permission to take up to 200 milligrams a week of testosterone.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      Soccer?

   7. AHAndrew Huberman45:31

      No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:32

      No?

   9. AHAndrew Huberman45:32

      No.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       Shit.

   11. AHAndrew Huberman45:33

       No. But good guess.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       (laughs)

   13. AHAndrew Huberman45:35

       (laughs) You almost got me there.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       (laughs)

   15. AHAndrew Huberman45:37

       (laughs) 'Cause I almost countered with the actual thing they did is-

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:39

       Hockey?

   17. AHAndrew Huberman45:40

       Uh, no. Although those guys have the-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Head injuries.

   19. AHAndrew Huberman45:44

       ... the head injuries. So, actually, so that-

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:45

       Significant, right?

   21. AHAndrew Huberman45:45

       The head injury thing is, is, is a serious problem, obviously. So, testosterone has the n- the effects we're all aware of, like deepening the voice, facial hair, muscle growth, recovery, et cetera. Mostly because testosterone increases protein synthesis. You look at a, a young male in puberty, it's a protein synthesis machine.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:02

       Yeah.

   23. AHAndrew Huberman46:02

       They eat, they eat, they eat, and they just grow and grow and grow, and they're putting on muscles and they're lean, and you know. So, most often they're lean. But in any case, testosterone has some very interesting effects on the brain. The, the major mental effect of testosterone is it makes effort feel good.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       Oh, that makes sense.

   25. AHAndrew Huberman46:22

       And the reason it does it is that the amygdala, this fear center in the brain, this anxiety center in the brain, has androgen receptors. It has testosterone receptors. And so i- i- the way this works in animals and in humans as well is that for most species, the males of that species never get a chance to mate, right? So, if you think about... Uh, I'll probably pick an example where you'll, you'll know the exception 'cause I know you know a lot about natural animals and, uh, animals that are hunted. But if you think about animals with antlers like rams, there's been a lot of research, believe it or not, on rams. It'd be fun-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:52

       Mm-hmm.

   27. AHAndrew Huberman46:53

       ... to... I'd love to work on rams.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       Do you know rams have enormous balls?

   29. AHAndrew Huberman46:56

       And they have to fight for the right to mate.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:58

       Yes.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:15

   So, that's why fighters…

   1. AHAndrew Huberman1:00:00

      distilled water, you're pissing out all your, your electrolytes.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      So, that's why fighters do that to lose weight.

   3. AHAndrew Huberman1:00:05

      They're getting dizzy.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      Yeah.

   5. AHAndrew Huberman1:00:06

      Yeah. So-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      They don't do that anymore, by the way.

   7. AHAndrew Huberman1:00:08

      They're getting educated.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      People, yeah, they stopped doing-

   9. AHAndrew Huberman1:00:09

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

       Fighters used to drink a lot of distilled water, but there was some disastrous weight cuts and, uh, one in Brazil, that I'm aware of, where a guy died.

   11. AHAndrew Huberman1:00:17

       Mm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

       Yeah.

   13. AHAndrew Huberman1:00:18

       Yeah. I think some bodybuilders died from clenbuterol. So-Could he have gotten clenbuterol from bad, uh, meat? Very unlikely. If you think about the cattle industry and what they want to do, they wanna make bigger, heavier cows, but they don't wanna make big, heavy, super lean cows. They want marbling in there and all that stuff.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       Mm-hmm.

   15. AHAndrew Huberman1:00:36

       Again, I didn't look at the, the blood analysis. If he got popped for clenbuterol and he didn't take it, that's tragic. If he got popped for clenbuterol and he did take it, it doesn't seem to be harming his career in any way.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

       Listen, dude. I don't know what he's doing, but, um, I do know that he is... He, he's one of those guys that's maintained his power as he's gone up in weight, which is really rare. It's rare that you can knock a guy out at 175 pounds who used to be a world champion when you were a 154 pound champion. It's very rare. Doesn't mean it's unheard of. Some guys just carry that kind of punching power. Manny Pacquiao won world titles in eight different weight classes, which is insanity. It's insanity. But there's also always been talk of him being, um, elevated.

   17. AHAndrew Huberman1:01:25

       Well, they have great knowledge of these plant compounds and how they affect the hormone system overseas.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       Hmm.

   19. AHAndrew Huberman1:01:32

       You know, over here, we are, you know... Uh, I'm a serious patriot, so it like, it, it, uh, hurts me to say this, but we are miles behind what other countries are doing in terms of hormone augmentation and sports performance. In the realm of hormones, but also temperature modulation. There are incredible plant compounds out there. Like there's this thing that's now kind of, uh, going wild on the internet. I've never tried it, but it's called turkesterone.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

       Turkesterone?

   21. AHAndrew Huberman1:01:56

       Yeah, they call it "Turk" in the... And this is basically, it... And I actually reviewed... I did one episode of my podcast all about hormones, and I went deep into this literature. And turkesterone, side by side with deca or another testosterone derivative, it essentially acts the same way. It increases testosterone and performance and recovery, you know.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

       How much does it increase it by?

   23. AHAndrew Huberman1:02:16

       E- equivalent.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:17

       Really?

   25. AHAndrew Huberman1:02:17

       So, you know, you're-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

       So this plant compound is eq- equivalent to deca?

   27. AHAndrew Huberman1:02:21

       Essentially.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:22

       Wow.

   29. AHAndrew Huberman1:02:23

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:23

       Where do you get this stuff?

Episode duration: 2:59:33