Joe Rogan Experience #1717 - Alex Berenson

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Hello, guys. (laughs) Hello, Joe.

   4. ABAlex Berenson0:14

      (laughs) What's it like to be in Twitter jail?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Well, you're not even in Twitter jail. You're, like, excommunicado. I'm, I'm banned, yeah.

   6. ABAlex Berenson0:20

      You're banned.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Permanently suspended.

   8. ABAlex Berenson0:22

      For telling the truth.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      For telling the truth. (laughs)

   10. ABAlex Berenson0:23

       That's what the fascinating thing is, y- everything that you were banned for is verifiable.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       (laughs)

   12. ABAlex Berenson0:29

       There's sources. You could go read those sources. I watched the whole process go down. I, I don't understand.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       Um, yeah. Well, I'm not a naive guy, but I thought that being right would, would actually help, and it turns out being right hurts.

   14. ABAlex Berenson0:45

       Well, during this incredibly confusing time, where people are more hysterical and more freaked out and anxiety-filled than I've ever seen people in all of my 54 years of life, this is the peak.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       (laughs)

   16. ABAlex Berenson0:59

       This is, this is post-9/11 peak.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Yes.

   18. ABAlex Berenson1:02

       Like, 9/11 was, uh, a big anxiety moment for people, but at least it brought us all together. This, because of whatever it is, it's... whether it's social media algorithms or it's just, just an- the inevitable decline of an empire or whatever the fuck it is-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:18

       (coughs)

   20. ABAlex Berenson1:18

       ... we have hit a weird place right now.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       Yeah. Yes. Um, I, you know, I would say, the people who were sort of very complacent about vaccinations, uh, and being vaccinated in the spring-

   22. ABAlex Berenson1:32

       (coughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       ... are now very angry. But they're angry (laughs) at the wrong people.

   24. ABAlex Berenson1:36

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       They're... somehow, they're blaming people who are not vaccinated. They should be blaming Pfizer and the lies that the CDC told them.

   26. ABAlex Berenson1:43

       Well, what's really interesting, there's almost no anger at the lab in Wuhan.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       (laughs) That's true, too.

   28. ABAlex Berenson1:50

       Very strange. Almost no anger. Almost none. It's almost like an inconvenient truth that most likely, this virus emerged from a lab. I mean, uh, Saagar Enjeti from, uh, Breaking Points broke down exactly when it went down, who were the initial people that got infected, how it most likely spread. Um, it's been documented by Josh Dubin extensively, the involvement of, uh, Fauci, the NIH, uh, the EcoHealth Alliance. All of the input, all of the deceptive public statements contrasted to the internal emails that showed a real concern that they might be responsible for it, a real concern that gain-of-function research might have been the cause of this, and no anger at that. But anger at people who are unvaccinated.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       (laughs)

   30. ABAlex Berenson2:46

       Even people who are unvaccinated and healthy. Even people who have taken care of their body for their entire life, exercised, ate right, take vitamins. People who are fit and who don't want to take a chance with anything else.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Well, let's look at…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Is it, uh, is it sort of the Gates Foundation?

   2. ABAlex Berenson15:03

      Well, let's look at specifically in my case.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Oh.

   4. ABAlex Berenson15:05

      Like when they're saying horse dewormer, like why?

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      I-

   6. ABAlex Berenson15:09

      Who, who's doing that?

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      So, so there, you know, there, there are pollsters out there who are looking at focus groups and they're looking at the li-... Remember, "It's your turn"? Remember, "Get the vaccine when it's your turn"?

   8. ABAlex Berenson15:20

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      That was focus group tested. Okay? So when they're talking about horse dewormer, there's somebody out there who's spending a couple million bucks a month or whatever it is, to make sure that, you know, oh, if this is not for humans, it's for animals. They are testing all that language. And that is one reason why, uh, i- i- you know, it sounds so similar.

   10. ABAlex Berenson15:38

       It's one of the reasons why I stopped using Google to search things too.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       (laughs)

   12. ABAlex Berenson15:40

       They're doing, they're doing something to curate information where like if I wanted to find specific cases about people who died from vaccine, uh, related injuries, I had to go to DuckDuckGo.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       Yeah.

   14. ABAlex Berenson15:51

       I wasn't, I wasn't finding them on Google.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       Yes. Yes.

   16. ABAlex Berenson15:54

       And I'm like, "Okay, well, this is crazy."

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       Yes.

   18. ABAlex Berenson15:56

       "Like you, you guys are hiding information." I'm looking for very specific people and very specific cases, and, um, I'm getting CDC websites and I'm getting, you know, uh, articles on the, the, the disinformation attached to, to vaccines and vaccines being safe and effective, which for the most part they are, just like peanuts-

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Right.

   20. ABAlex Berenson16:14

       ... are safe and effective for the most part.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Well, (laughs) ...

   22. ABAlex Berenson16:16

       You know?

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Well, I mean, but again, we can... Listen, I've been vaccinated against everything, well, you know, as a child. I'm, uh, not COVID, okay, I'm not vaccinated against COVID, but I'm talking about am I an anti-vaxxer? No.

   24. ABAlex Berenson16:26

       Do you know the newest Webster definition of anti-vax includes someone who's against vaccine mandates or someone who's against vaccinating children?

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Seriously?

   26. ABAlex Berenson16:35

       Yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       I did not know that. (laughs)

   28. ABAlex Berenson16:36

       Yeah, we'll pull this up because this is new. They've, they've, they've updated the term anti-vaxxer to not just mean someone who believes in fucking apple cider vinegar cures cancer-

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       (laughs)

   30. ABAlex Berenson16:47

       ... like these wacky fucks-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yes, that's absolutely correct.…

   1. ABAlex Berenson30:00

      and that the vaccines are designed to be specifically targeted, and that's what allowed them to get created so quickly. Is that like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      Yes, that's absolutely correct.

   3. ABAlex Berenson30:08

      ... an accurate assessment of it?

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Well, I mean, think about, think about it. You're the virus, okay? I mean, the virus doesn't think, okay, but it wants to survive. If, if, you know, different human beings are gonna have somewhat different responses to natural infection. The vaccine response is always the same, okay, 'cause the vaccine is always the same.

   5. ABAlex Berenson30:29

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:29

      So the vaccine response is we're gonna generate a ton of antibodies for this one particular part of the spike protein. Well, the virus, quote-unquote, "knows" that if it can just mutate that bit of itself-... it will escape vaccination, right? It will escape vaccine immunity, I should say. And that's what the virus appears to be doing. And there's a paper out of Japan from August where these researchers demonst- and these are all first rate, okay? These are first rate academic institutions that are doing this. They demonstrated that four relatively small vacs- uh, four relatively small mutations on SARS-CoV-2 could lead to escape for the vaccine, uh, from vaccine-generated immunity.

   7. ABAlex Berenson31:13

      Escape meansing- meaning that the vaccine-generated immunity would be non-existent?

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:18

      Or, or close to non-existent. Th- that's not the worst case scenario, by the way. The worst case scenario is that the virus mutates in a way that the vaccine actually, it's called, this is why it's called antibody-dependent enhancement. The va- the antibodies continue to be able to attach to part of the va- uh, of the virus, but the virus has mutated in a way that the- that after attaching, they actually help it bind to cells.

   9. ABAlex Berenson31:46

      Okay. Now, someone sent me something today from very fishy looking GeoCities type website that was claiming that there was some Department of Defense-

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       Yes.

   11. ABAlex Berenson31:55

       ... artificial intelligence. Have you heard-

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       Yes.

   13. ABAlex Berenson31:57

       ... that this is going around?

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       I, I, yeah, I thought it was BS, but I think it's actually totally true. We can pull it up. It's, it's correct.

   15. ABAlex Berenson32:03

       Really?

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       Yes. It d- by the way, it, it's called Humetrics. Um-

   17. ABAlex Berenson32:08

       I read the w-

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       I still want you to find this other thing, though.

   19. ABAlex Berenson32:10

       Okay.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:10

       By the way, the, the, the-

   21. ABAlex Berenson32:11

       Jamie's doubling overtime with the fucking-

   22. All right, well, yeah, yeah.

   23. ... one-handed Googling.

   24. Let me, let, let's do that first before I go into Humetrics 'cause-

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:16

       Yeah, 'cause I don't want, I don't want-

   26. ABAlex Berenson32:17

       ... that sounds like a left turn.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:18

       ... I don't want people to, you know, I, especially since I said 70% and I know that's such a stunning number, I don't want people to think I made that up.

   28. ABAlex Berenson32:24

       Yes, let's go over that first. So s-

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       Uh-huh.

   30. ABAlex Berenson32:26

       This is 70% of all vaccinated peep- of, of the deaths in England.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yes. …

   1. ABAlex Berenson45:00

      pharmaceutical companies because there's an enormous profit incentive. They make tremendous-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:05

      Yes.

   3. ABAlex Berenson45:05

      ... amounts of money from these things. And if they can fudge the numbers or move things around, I mean, Pfizer paid out, I think it was the biggest ever settlement by any company. It was l-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Uh, oh, it's more than $2 billion, yes.

   5. ABAlex Berenson45:17

      Yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      Yep.

   7. ABAlex Berenson45:17

      A stunning amount of money.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      Yeah, for fraud, right? Yeah. Uh, yes, and so look, I-

   9. ABAlex Berenson45:22

      What, what did, what did they pay? What, what's, what's, what did they do?

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       So, so it was 2.3 ... It was 2.3 billion. It was for over-marketing a wh- a whole series of drugs, um, uh, uh, including, um, uh, Neurontin, um, which is a, which is a drug for, uh, for fibromyalgia and for, um, and for pain generally.

   11. ABAlex Berenson45:42

       Here it is.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Um, yes. And, and-

   13. ABAlex Berenson45:43

       Uh, largest-

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Yeah.

   15. ABAlex Berenson45:44

       ... healthcare fraud settlement in its history.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Yes.

   17. ABAlex Berenson45:48

       2.3 billion-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       Oh, I'm sorry. I's, uh, yes.

   19. ABAlex Berenson45:49

       ... for fraudulent marketing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       I, uh, so, so Neurontin is Lyrica, uh, Bextra is the, Bextra is the, was their Coxib drug, which, uh, so, so both Pfizer and Merck, actually, even though I, even though I generally think Merck is, is one of the better of these companies, they made drugs that essentially were aspirin except that they had a little side effect, which is they caused heart attacks in people. Um, and-

   21. ABAlex Berenson46:11

       Is, are you talking about Vioxx?

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       I'm talking about Vioxx.

   23. ABAlex Berenson46:13

       Yeah, I have ... See, I've, have a friend who, uh, had, uh, was pretty bad arthritis in his knees. And so he took Vioxx and had a fucking stroke, and he was, like, 30 years old.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       Yep.

   25. ABAlex Berenson46:24

       And, uh, you know, he's a fighter, and so his knees were just damaged from years of martial arts training and, um, t-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       D- did he recover?

   27. ABAlex Berenson46:31

       Yes, pretty much. Yeah, he still has some ... I think he still has some ... I'd have to talk to him about that, I don't wanna, uh, I'm not sure, but I knew it was a, I know it was a long process. He did a lot of things, uh, very unconventional things. He got, um, stem cell, uh, therapy and a bunch of different things to try to he- It wasn't a small deal.

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       No, no, no, no, no.

   29. ABAlex Berenson46:50

       It was a very big deal.

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       What-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   And the rates among…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      out of the 411 60-year-olds. They were almost all fully vaccinated. Most people who die of this now are fully vaccinated in the UK. The, those are the numbers.

   2. ABAlex Berenson1:00:12

      And the rates among persons not vaccinated-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      Okay.

   4. ABAlex Berenson1:00:15

      ... and v- and vaccinated-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      So S- so-

   6. ABAlex Berenson1:00:16

      ... with two doses, what... per 100,000?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:17

      Okay.

   8. ABAlex Berenson1:00:18

      What do they mean by that?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:18

      So what they're s- what they're showing you there is that even though the vast majority of people who, who died were vaccinated, the vaccine still appears to have some protective effect because rates among... Uh, becau-... So here, think of it this way, Joe. 80% of the people who died over 80 were vaccinated, but 95% of people in that age range were vaccinated. So that implies that the vaccine still offers you some protection, because if it offered you zero protection then it would be 95% of the people who died over age 80 were vaccinated. Does that make sense?

   10. ABAlex Berenson1:00:57

       Sort of. It's, it's complicated.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

       S- suppose we have a room, 100 people.

   12. ABAlex Berenson1:01:01

       Okay.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       Okay? Or 1,000 people. 950 of those people are vaccinated and 50 are not.... if, if the va- if 100 people died in the nine hu- out of the 950, but 20 people died out of the 50, that would still imply that the vaccine was doing some good.

   14. ABAlex Berenson1:01:21

       Got it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       Becau- even though it's... And those ac- that's actually a pretty good, uh, analogy to what you're seeing there, because, because you're getting 100 out of 950 compared to 20 out of 50. So-

   16. ABAlex Berenson1:01:32

       So when you say that most of the people who are dying are vaccinated, is that because the v- levels or the rates of vaccination is very high?

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       Uh, y- yes, but there's another complexity here, and this is the part that the vaccine advocates never admit. When you get to a place like, a place like Britain or Israel where almost everybody in that age range is vaccinated, over 70, over 80, who is not being vaccinated? Do you think there's a lot of people in the old age home who are saying, "You know what? I'm insisting on my personal rights. You can't vaccinate me some 88 year old"? No. The only people who aren't being vaccinated in that age group are probably too sick or too close to the end of their lives to-

   18. ABAlex Berenson1:02:12

       Isn't that speculative, though? There could be rebels. There could be people that are, like, into, you know-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:16

       Th- th-

   20. ABAlex Berenson1:02:16

       ... holistic medicine or whatever.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

       Well, there's some evidence, we have evidence that people who are vaccinated are more fearful than people who are not vaccinated. Well-

   22. ABAlex Berenson1:02:24

       You should tell that to Keith Olbermann.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:27

       (laughs)

   24. ABAlex Berenson1:02:28

       Did you see his rant?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:29

       No. (laughs)

   26. ABAlex Berenson1:02:30

       You didn't see it?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:30

       No, I did not see this.

   28. ABAlex Berenson1:02:31

       It's one of the most unhinged s- it's, it's sad that this guy was, like, a respected pundit.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

       (laughs)

   30. ABAlex Berenson1:02:38

       Have you seen it, Jamie?
6. 1:15:00 – 1:16:39

   Well, then, um, Biden...…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      Can you imagine if Donald Trump had said something so out of line about vaccines that two of his most senior FDA officials resigned within a couple weeks? The, the Democrats would be ready to impeach him. Like-

   2. ABAlex Berenson1:15:14

      Well, then, um, Biden... Or, yeah, he went and took a booster on television.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:18

      Yeah. Okay. Good for him. He's 78 years old. He, maybe it makes sense for him, okay? Shou- should some 30-year-old or 40 or 50 or even 60-year-old be on a, on a treadmill of boosters?

   4. ABAlex Berenson1:15:32

      But this is the question. This is why it leads to... It's a conundrum because if the vaccines do gr- greatly reduce in their efficacy over six, seven, eight months and the FDA says, "No boosters," so that means you have no protection. So here we are eight months after people are being vaccinated, they're giving no recommendation to take a booster.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:57

      Yeah.

   6. ABAlex Berenson1:15:57

      So it means you basically took a vaccine for nothing because-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:16:01

      That's right. That's right. And they don't want to admit it. That's right.

   8. ABAlex Berenson1:16:04

      So by pulling, by the FDA pulling their recommendation for booster shots, they've essentially said do nothing?

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:16:14

      Well, so-

   10. ABAlex Berenson1:16:14

       Well, now, and now we're in this position where Pfizer and M- Merck are both about to release a therapeutic.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:16:22

       Uh, th- Merck's and Merck, the date on the Merck drug is actually quite good. They released it, uh... And by the way, the stocks of the vaccine companies went down more than 10% the day the Merck n- re- reports came out because Wall Street said, "Oh."

   12. ABAlex Berenson1:16:34

       "There's a therapeutic now."

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:16:35

       "There's an actual therapeutic, so we're not gonna be able to jam these boosters into people's arms forever."

Episode duration: 3:21:16