Joe Rogan Experience #1741 - Ted Nugent

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   3. TNTed Nugent0:12

      The two important U words I've learned-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Somebody gave me this recently. Check that out.

   5. TNTed Nugent0:15

      Oh, the real McCoy?

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      That's the real McCoy.

   7. TNTed Nugent0:16

      Yeah. They find these on my property-

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah.

   9. TNTed Nugent0:18

      ... outside of Waco.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       They're all over the place in Texas.

   11. TNTed Nugent0:20

       Yep. Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       I mean, this, this land was occupied for a long time-

   13. TNTed Nugent0:23

       How about that?

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       ... by Native Americans. It's something-

   15. TNTed Nugent0:25

       Think it's obs-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       It's something-

   17. TNTed Nugent0:25

       Think it's obsidian or...

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       I don't know what it's made out of. I don't know much about rocks, but it's something special about holding one of those, isn't it?

   19. TNTed Nugent0:32

       Always.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yeah.

   21. TNTed Nugent0:32

       I killed a goose with a Port Orford Cedar arrow, real natural turkey feathers (whistles) built by George Nichols at Jackson Archery in the '30s. The arrows, the head I found on the Rouge River in Detroit, and I was shooting-

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Wow.

   23. TNTed Nugent0:55

       ... a, a yew longbow. I might have been eight.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       So you found a, a Native American arrowhead-

   25. TNTed Nugent1:01

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       ... and you used a 1930s wooden arrow-

   27. TNTed Nugent1:04

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       ... with real turkey feathers?

   29. TNTed Nugent1:05

       High sh- high-profile shield cut that George Nichols made, who I eventually got to hunt with, who made all of Fred Bear's arrows.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Wow.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Hmm. …

   1. TNTed Nugent15:00

      quoted me almost verbatim on that statement as he confronted some animal rights people on the show last night.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      Hmm.

   3. TNTed Nugent15:10

      And I have been bombarded lately with people going, "Costner quoted you from the Joe Rogan interview when he confronted animal rights..." From hundreds of people who saw it. The producers, Sher- Taylor Sheridan, according to my son, Toby, is a big fan of my defiant ballet, my defiance ballet and he must have heard our exchange and it... Joe, it was almost verbatim of what I said on your podcast.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:41

      That's amazing.

   5. TNTed Nugent15:42

      It's, it's, it's awesome because people who responded to me said, "Yeah, I see what you mean. I never thought of it that way." Well, maybe you should start thinking.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      The thing is like, people think of animals dying as like a deer is like, if you shoot a deer, you, you killed an animal. But they don't think that if you wanna grow lettuce, you have to displace wildlife, you have to do what's called monocrop agriculture and when you have thousands of acres of soybeans, uh, for example, that's not normal.

   7. TNTed Nugent16:12

      No. No.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:12

      It's not normal for the ground to have only one plant for thousands of acres and it's not, it's not sustainable. The only way they can do that is to kill everything that was there-

   9. TNTed Nugent16:21

      Kill everything.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       ... and the amount of rabbits that they have to kill-

   11. TNTed Nugent16:24

       Slaughter.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       ... gophers, groundhogs-

   13. TNTed Nugent16:25

       Songbirds.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       ... birds.

   15. TNTed Nugent16:26

       Everything. Snakes, turtles-

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Yeah.

   17. TNTed Nugent16:28

       ... voles, shrews.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       Anything that's ground nesting gets churned up in the, in the s- in the, in the wheels. It's just, it's... They think of it as you're eating plants and, but you can do it in a way where you're not gonna kill anything if you grow your own. If you wanna grow your own vegetables, you have your own garden, you do it organically, you compost all your, you know, your, your, your waste and it's possible to do, but most people are not doing that. Most people are a part of something that's awful. And most people who eat meat are a part of something that's awful too and I think you and I will both agree that factory farming-

   19. TNTed Nugent16:58

       Yes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       ... is fucking disgusting. It, it-

   21. TNTed Nugent17:00

       Disgusting?

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       ... infuriates me and, and, you know, before I became a hunter, I was on the fence. I w- I watched-

   23. TNTed Nugent17:06

       I remember that.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       ... so many PETA videos and I was like, "I'm either gonna be a vegetarian or I'm gonna be a hunter." I met Rinella, he took me hunting, I shot a mule deer, we cooked it over a fire and I go-

   25. TNTed Nugent17:15

       Perfect.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       ... "This is what I'm doing."

   27. TNTed Nugent17:16

       Perfect.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       From, I f- it felt like I had tapped in, like I'd opened up a door to some DNA that I didn't know existed and the way I explain it to people that have never hunted, I'm like, "Do you know that feeling when you catch a fish? There's a feeling when the fish is on the line w- there's an excitement that doesn't even totally make sense." But what that excitement is, i- there's this, there's a primal door that opens up when you realize you are now gonna feed your family. You have this fish, it's on the line, you're gonna pull it in and this wild animal that you've captured will now, uh, it w- it will now give n- nutrients to your loved ones. That is, there's in there, it's in there. It's in your DNA and when you hunt, when you... The first time I shot that deer and we were sitting there cooking and eating it over the fire, I knew it right away.

   29. TNTed Nugent18:03

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:03

       I was like, "Okay, this is how you're supposed to eat meat."
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   What did she say…

   1. TNTed Nugent30:00

      the, the gal from Starbucks in, m- m- is it Mill Valley or Valley Mills, north of Calif- north of San Francisco, um, confronted me and I just took a couple minutes to explain surplus and value-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:12

      What did she say to you?

   3. TNTed Nugent30:13

      She goes, "I can't believe that you would kill an elk."

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      Hmm.

   5. TNTed Nugent30:17

      And I go, "Well, have you ever eaten elk?" I mean, "What do you eat?" I mean, "I'm a vegan." I then explained the whole-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:23

      Yeah.

   7. TNTed Nugent30:23

      ... tofu slaughter system. She goes, "Yeah, but still." And I go, "No, not, no."

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      It's not still.

   9. TNTed Nugent30:29

      Not, "Yeah, but still." (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       Here's the thing too.

   11. TNTed Nugent30:31

       That's never a legitimate response. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       It's, you have to ask them, does one animal equal... Does one life... Is one life equal or are lives more valuable when they're big?

   13. TNTed Nugent30:40

       And the beautiful thing about that environment, in that ultra-liberal environment, she is aware of the field, the, the field to table restaurants-

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:52

       Yes.

   15. TNTed Nugent30:52

       ... in, in that area.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:53

       Yeah.

   17. TNTed Nugent30:53

       Where they're getting these wild pigs-

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Mm-hmm.

   19. TNTed Nugent30:55

       ... and they're getting the permits to process them.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Right.

   21. TNTed Nugent30:57

       And deer meat, and, and wild s- squirrels and, and raccoons. They're eating raccoons.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       W- who's eating ra- where are they eating raccoons?

   23. TNTed Nugent31:05

       They're... Up in San Francisco, there's a field to table specialty restaurant where they-

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       They need to eat looters.

   25. TNTed Nugent31:11

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       I wonder if looters are delicious.

   27. TNTed Nugent31:12

       I don't know about eat them. We'd need to trap them.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       (laughs)

   29. TNTed Nugent31:15

       Um, so, so common sense-

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       Mm-hmm.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah, I've been following…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      to capitalize on that, those moments and say, "Look, you're killing people. You're killing people," the, if you adjust for age, Florida has done as well if not better than any state in the country when it comes to what happens with this virus. They've shown over time that if you look at how this virus works and if you look at the response to it, lockdowns don't help. They just don't.

   2. TNTed Nugent45:21

      Yeah, I've been following that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:22

      And they, they definitely don't help these people's lives and they definitely don't help overdoses. They don't help depression. They don't help people losing, losing businesses-

   4. TNTed Nugent45:31

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:31

      ... that, again, they've worked for decades for. I, I firmly believe that you have to let people make their own decisions. And once we understand what this is, this is not the Black Plague, it's not killing 50% of the population, and there's all these remedies that are completely ignored that no one cares about. No one cares about vitamins and Vitamin D and the fact that at one point in time they measured, I believe it was 84% of the people in the ICU with COVID had insufficient levels of Vitamin D.

   6. TNTed Nugent46:01

      Sure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:01

      And only 4% had sufficient levels. And if you look at the country in general, it's more than 70% of the people are deficient in Vitamin D. That's a crazy number and it's not an expensive thing to get.

   8. TNTed Nugent46:11

      Yep.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:11

      Vitamin D, if you can get it outside-

   10. TNTed Nugent46:13

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       ... it's natural. You just lay in the sun, you get it, which is the best form of Vitamin D.

   12. TNTed Nugent46:16

       The best way, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:17

       That's the free form.

   14. TNTed Nugent46:18

       Sure.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       But you can buy it as a supplement.

   16. TNTed Nugent46:20

       Yep.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       But meanwhile, you don't... I've never heard that once from these fucking press conferences. Not once.

   18. TNTed Nugent46:25

       You mean Fauci doesn't recommend natural, uh, intelligent-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       (sighs)

   20. TNTed Nugent46:28

       ... taking care of your health before you ask for healthcare?

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Well, you know what? You could say that too.

   22. TNTed Nugent46:32

       What a prick.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       If they wanna talk about vaccines and they wanna talk about all these other things, say that. Say that. But also talk about these other things. Talk about quercetin, talk about zinc, talk about ionophores, talk about how important it is to take care of your health and drink a lot of water and lose weight. There was an article, a peer-reviewed study recently about what is happening with... See if you can find this. With overweight people, that overweight people, one of the things that's happening with, uh, COVID and overweight people is that their body is not producing the, um, the antibodies correctly because of the fact that they, their body's so overweight.

   24. TNTed Nugent47:08

       Sure.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       That there's something happen... There's a process that goes on while you're obese that doesn't go on with a person who's lean. And that this, it's like a significant issue when it comes to your, uh, immune system and your immune system's response to COVID. And it's one of the reasons why so many people, at one point in time, 78% of the people in the ICU for COVID were obese.

   26. TNTed Nugent47:28

       Well, the Nugent family-

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:30

       It's crazy.

   28. TNTed Nugent47:30

       ... is in mourning this year. We've lost some great friends and most of them were dramatically overweight.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:36

       Yeah. Here it is right here. "The results of the study showed the majority of COVID-19 patients with obesity make almost indiscernible amounts of neutralizing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, suggesting that obese individuals may be at a higher risk to respond poorly to COVID-19 infection."

   30. TNTed Nugent47:54

       But I think overall, before we even get-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yeah. …

   1. TNTed Nugent1:00:01

      The whole c- c- c- c- c- c-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      Yeah.

   3. TNTed Nugent1:00:03

      It's, it's just made me play so Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Little Richard, Jimmy McCarty. The Billy Lee and the Rivieras, by the way changed their name years later to Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels. I talked to Mitch on Thanksgiving. I still keep in touch with these fucking guys 60 years later.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      Wow.

   5. TNTed Nugent1:00:20

      So the new record is the continuation of, you, you used the word primal. Primal is my life, whether it's with a sharp stick or a guitar or chainsaw. Primal is pure, and I think that field to table is a return to primal. I think you discovering that you can either go vegan or a hunter, you made the primal decision. I think primal is the answer to every problem mankind has subjected themselves to. Getting back to tooth, fang and claw, the earth, accountability. Your step, did the step that you take benefit the world or did it harm the world? Both literally and figuratively. So that's how I've conducted my life and the new record, (laughs) it's just, it's a fucking orgy of killer songs, and my drummer, Jason Hartless, and bass player, Greg Smith, are what every guitar player dreams to have at their side. The best musicians you've ever heard.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

      That's awesome. You know, it, I don't play music. I don't have any musical talent. I've never studied it. But I'm always fascinated by the fact that, especially with guitar, that I can hear a few licks and I'm pretty sure I could guess who's playing.

   7. TNTed Nugent1:01:38

      Sure.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:39

      You know, like Gary Clark Jr., for example.

   9. TNTed Nugent1:01:41

      Sure.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       He, he has a very specific sound.

   11. TNTed Nugent1:01:44

       Here's his tone. Here's his tone here. (plays guitar) You got that deep-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

       Yeah.

   13. TNTed Nugent1:02:02

       ... bass, bass tone.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       Yeah. You know, Steve Ray Vaughan-

   15. TNTed Nugent1:02:05

       Bluesy.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

       ... obviously, but Jimi Hendrix particularly.

   17. TNTed Nugent1:02:07

       Get out of here.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

       You know what I mean? That, That guy. He... Was he the first that really had his own, like, legitimate distinctive sound?

   19. TNTed Nugent1:02:16

       (plays guitar) << Jimmy, you're so fine to me >> What the fuck?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

       Did you ever work with him?

   21. TNTed Nugent1:02:34

       I jammed with Jimi.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:36

       Wow.

   23. TNTed Nugent1:02:36

       I was in a little room with him.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:38

       Wow.

   25. TNTed Nugent1:02:38

       It's unnatural. I've... Yeah, he was the guy that took what Chuck invented. Chuck had the distortion. He played a Gibson 335. He played a Byrdland on his first record. It was a, it was a, it was the prototype Byrdland, 1955, I think. Um, but he got a little bit more distorted than the typical country, you know... (plays guitar)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:03

       Right.

   27. TNTed Nugent1:03:04

       You know that... (plays guitar) .

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:11

       Yeah.

   29. TNTed Nugent1:03:11

       But he took it to...

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:12

       Like Voodoo Child sounds. Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:21:58

   Mm. …

   1. TNTed Nugent1:15:01

      Oh, Carol. Don't ever steal your heart away. Well, I got to learn to dance if it takes me all night and day. Well, come into my machine so we can cruise on out. Mm.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:19

      Mm.

   3. TNTed Nugent1:15:19

      What Keith Richards did to the Chuck Berry songs was so respectful, but, I don't know, not more youthful. You can't be more youthful than Chuck Berry, but-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:29

      Just different.

   5. TNTed Nugent1:15:30

      ... something about their delivery.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:30

      Just put a different spin on it.

   7. TNTed Nugent1:15:32

      Yeah, with, with Jagger's over-exaggerated, bluesy vocal approach-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:37

      Yeah.

   9. TNTed Nugent1:15:37

      ... and all those great players, but that was so influential. So take that influence, which was a bombardment, unprecedented, and then take it all the way to Jimi Hendrix, and then the next chapter of guitar sucker-punching was Eddie Van Halen.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:53

       Mm.

   11. TNTed Nugent1:15:53

       So, and I- I've got to jam with all these guys. I got to jam ... You name the best guitars, I've jammed with all of them. And to sit there ... Now, you know, you don't sit there. You kind of dance there, and you're paying attention to what they express and how they, how they unleash these note volleys and, and phrases and musical authority. It ch- ... It ch- ... It, it settles in your psyche. It settles in your soul, and it's like an arsenal of licks that you can do in your own way, but you're not afraid to do it the way they did it. And if you have a certain touch of your own, then it comes off as your signature style.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:16:30

       That's what's always so fascinating to me, is that out of all the notes that have been played, all the songs that have been written and sang and, and recorded, that there's still new ways to make a guitar wail.

   13. TNTed Nugent1:16:40

       Joe, you see this landscape?

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:16:43

       Yes.

   15. TNTed Nugent1:16:43

       It looks, it looks restrictive, doesn't it?

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:16:46

       Right.

   17. TNTed Nugent1:16:46

       It looks like it's only that long-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:16:48

       Right, it's only two feet long.

   19. TNTed Nugent1:16:48

       ... and that many frets. Lewis and Clark wouldn't know where to send Sacagawea on my guitar neck.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:16:55

       (laughs)

   21. TNTed Nugent1:16:56

       I got a song on the new record called Driving Blind that goes ... (guitar music) There I was, minding my own business. Kinda caught off guard. I wrote the book on sexual healing. I swear to God. Well, I think I found the answer. To get me peace of mind. Don't flirt with disaster. And don't get caught driving blind. Now, you know, it's got a groove.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:17:59

       Yeah.

   23. TNTed Nugent1:17:59

       It sounds like something you've heard before, but you never have.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:18:02

       Where does Clapton fit into it for you?

   25. TNTed Nugent1:18:04

       Monster. Monster. I mean the whole ... I mean, I can do ... (guitar music) That whole ...

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:18:30

       Can you do Layla?

   27. TNTed Nugent1:18:32

       I, I don't know Layla.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:18:33

       Damn.

   29. TNTed Nugent1:18:34

       But, but he's, he is a, uh ... Yeah, The Beast.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:18:38

       Yeah.

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