Joe Rogan Experience #1741 - Ted Nugent

1. 0:00 – 3:48

   Arrowheads, artifacts, and the “mojo” of ancient tools

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   3. TNTed Nugent0:12

      The two important U words I've learned-

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Somebody gave me this recently. Check that out.

   5. TNTed Nugent0:15

      Oh, the real McCoy?

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      That's the real McCoy.

   7. TNTed Nugent0:16

      Yeah. They find these on my property-

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      Yeah.

   9. TNTed Nugent0:18

      ... outside of Waco.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       They're all over the place in Texas.

   11. TNTed Nugent0:20

       Yep. Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       I mean, this, this land was occupied for a long time-

   13. TNTed Nugent0:23

       How about that?

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       ... by Native Americans. It's something-

   15. TNTed Nugent0:25

       Think it's obs-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       It's something-

   17. TNTed Nugent0:25

       Think it's obsidian or...

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       I don't know what it's made out of. I don't know much about rocks, but it's something special about holding one of those, isn't it?

   19. TNTed Nugent0:32

       Always.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Yeah.

   21. TNTed Nugent0:32

       I killed a goose with a Port Orford Cedar arrow, real natural turkey feathers (whistles) built by George Nichols at Jackson Archery in the '30s. The arrows, the head I found on the Rouge River in Detroit, and I was shooting-

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Wow.

   23. TNTed Nugent0:55

       ... a, a yew longbow. I might have been eight.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       So you found a, a Native American arrowhead-

   25. TNTed Nugent1:01

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       ... and you used a 1930s wooden arrow-

   27. TNTed Nugent1:04

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       ... with real turkey feathers?

   29. TNTed Nugent1:05

       High sh- high-profile shield cut that George Nichols made, who I eventually got to hunt with, who made all of Fred Bear's arrows.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       Wow.
2. 3:48 – 6:30

   Ted arrives loaded with gifts: flags, hats, and practical hunting gear

   1. TNTed Nugent3:48

      Well, it might not be historical artifact, but I br- I bring, I come bearing gifts.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:52

      You've got a lot of stuff. There's like-

   3. TNTed Nugent3:54

      I come bearing gifts.

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:55

      What is that, a flag? What do you got there?

   5. TNTed Nugent3:56

      I brought you-

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:56

      Come and take it? (laughs)

   7. TNTed Nugent3:57

      I, I brought you this.

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:58

      They have one at the ex- oh, it's signed.

   9. TNTed Nugent4:00

      Except this one's autographed, so it has-

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:02

       Yeah. All right.

   11. TNTed Nugent4:03

       It has more kissing in it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:03

       I like it. They have-

   13. TNTed Nugent4:04

       So that's for you.

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       ... one just like that at the range in Austin signed by our governor.

   15. TNTed Nugent4:07

       Yes, put that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       There you go.

   17. TNTed Nugent4:07

       And I also, just because I ran out of the garage with them, also a come and take it hat.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:15

       Oh. Come and take it hat sign.

   19. TNTed Nugent4:17

       Also, a very Joe Rogan I will not comply autographed hat.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       Oh, nice.

   21. TNTed Nugent4:21

       And the reason I'm grabbing these, because-

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       Wow.

   23. TNTed Nugent4:24

       ... it's a great story. This is a great story of my life. You can have that one.

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       And then a re-elect that motherfucker hat.

   25. TNTed Nugent4:29

       And this is a Ted Nugent Sunrise Safaris Will Hunt for Food.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:33

       Oh. Nice.

   27. TNTed Nugent4:33

       And because I gave these to my grandkids over the holidays, this is so important. I don't know if you carry a flashlight with you, but starting today, you will. This little Browning flashlight from my buddy George Britain at, at Britain's Archery in Tarpon Springs, Florida.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:49

       Whoa.

   29. TNTed Nugent4:49

       It is so bright. And then when you're going to your stand in the morning...

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       Oh, you got a green one too.
3. 6:30 – 8:52

   Hunters for the Hungry and the ethics of harvesting surplus animals

   1. TNTed Nugent6:30

      So, I bring you positive spirit and energy and attitude and, uh-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:33

      You bring everything.

   3. TNTed Nugent6:34

      ... goodwill and decency. I'm having the greatest hunting season of my life. I'm shooting some mystical arrows into some sacred pump stations. I'm getting a lot of venison donated to soup kitchens and homeless shelters and neighbors and making gifts to the band and the crew since we haven't toured and everybody is horny to unleash the musical beast.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:53

      Yeah, that is, uh, a beautiful thing about that. Uh, Hunters for the Hungry program.

   5. TNTed Nugent6:57

      Beautiful, nationwide.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:58

      It's incredible.

   7. TNTed Nugent6:59

      To hunt... When I t- I do media all the time, and the hunting thing always comes up.

   8. JRJoe Rogan7:04

      Of course.

   9. TNTed Nugent7:05

      And, and if they don't bring it up, I make sure I do, because it needs to be promoted and celebrated in the face of stupidity. Which, boy, do I-

   10. JRJoe Rogan7:12

       Yeah.

   11. TNTed Nugent7:12

       ... have a great story for you. You're gonna... I don't know. You're gonna love this. You already love me, but you're gonna love me more in a moment here.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       Really?

   13. TNTed Nugent7:18

       Yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:19

       Let me prepare myself.

   15. TNTed Nugent7:19

       So, anyhow, when I do the media and I explain to them about venison, organic, renewable, nutritious, pure, natural, healthy, good, good, win, win, win, win, win.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       Mm-hmm.

   17. TNTed Nugent7:32

       I never get any pushback. Not since the '60s and '70s where hippies pushed back. Um, because it's universally at least understood in its most basic truism.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:46

       Yeah.

   19. TNTed Nugent7:47

       But whenever I bring up that the Hunters for the Hungry has been going on, Hunters for the Hungry, Sportsmen Against Hunger, are various state organizations where they distribute natural harvested surplus venison to homeless shelters, soup kitchens, needy families. Even to Glenn Beck, he goes, "250 million hot meals a we- a year? Come on. That c- that can't be true." And I go, "Well, you got Ted Nugent talking to you." If it's coming out of my mouth, it's true. I do research. I don't have opinions, I have facts, I have evidence.

   20. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       Is it really that much? 250 million meals?

   21. TNTed Nugent8:20

       250 million pure nutritious meals of venison.

   22. JRJoe Rogan8:23

       How many animals is that? That's crazy. I mean, uh-

   23. TNTed Nugent8:26

       But we kill t-

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:27

       You obviously... You kill a, an animal's-

   25. TNTed Nugent8:29

       Tens of millions.

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:30

       ... many, many, many, many meals-

   27. TNTed Nugent8:31

       Yes. Nationwide.

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:32

       ... in one go. Yeah. But it's, um... That's... Is that pigs as well or is it just, uh-

   29. TNTed Nugent8:37

       No. Elk, deer. Mostly deer, probably 90% deer.

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       We have, uh-
4. 8:52 – 13:44

   Helicopter hog hunts: invasive species control turned into policy and charity

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:52

      Yeah. Well, the roasts are pretty damn good too. Um, I have played on this podcast multiple times. You, uh, shooting pigs out of a helicopter.

   2. TNTed Nugent8:59

      They're so beautiful.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:01

      It's-

   4. TNTed Nugent9:01

      You're talking about samurai.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:03

      But it's, it's a crazy thing that, like, pe- people that don't understand will look at that and go, "This is horrible. This is awful." It's like, you don't understand invasive species. You don't understand the fact that this actually has to be done. And if you're a person that likes to eat vegetables, guess what? They're gonna eat them all.

   6. TNTed Nugent9:17

      That's true.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:17

      They're gonna destroy them all. Like, they, they need to do something about these animals and there's no way you could stop them from breeding.

   8. TNTed Nugent9:23

      Ye-

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:23

      There's millions of pigs in Texas alone.

   10. TNTed Nugent9:25

       Tens of millions.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:26

       Yeah.

   12. TNTed Nugent9:26

       If, if I may put-

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:27

       Please.

   14. TNTed Nugent9:27

       ... the definitive comment on that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       Yeah, please do.

   16. TNTed Nugent9:30

       If you have a problem with killing pigs from a helicopter, you're an idiot. And let me help fix you, 'cause we're all idiots at some point in life-

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       Right.

   18. TNTed Nugent9:39

       ... 'cause we don't know nothing, there's ignorance and I've been ignorant. I'm s- I'm currently ignorant on how to weld. I need to learn that. But I admit my ignorance so that I don't fuck up a weld.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:48

       Right.

   20. TNTed Nugent9:48

       I get a guy who's not ignorant about welding. So, let me fix the ignorant out there and see if I can't weld some intelligence into their otherwise craving mind for information. When we kill pigs from a helicopter, it benefits the environment because they destroy the environment. They erode everything and it causes devastation to waterways and riverine habitat and just every habitat. So, we're saving the environment. So, shut up. We're saving agriculture because they destroy tens of millions of dollars of agriculture every year. "So, we're saving agriculture."

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       That's... I think that's just in Texas. Tens of millions.

   22. TNTed Nugent10:23

       Yeah. Just to... Just Texas.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:25

       Yeah.

   24. TNTed Nugent10:25

       Not to mention California-

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:26

       Yeah, all over the country.

   26. TNTed Nugent10:27

       ... and Mississippi and... So, when we, when we kill pigs from a helicopter, we have created an industry that I legalized before I called then Governor Perry and then Attorney General Greg Abbott. It was against-

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:40

       That was your idea? The helicopter thing?

   28. TNTed Nugent10:42

       Yeah, it was against the law. You couldn't pay a helicopter pilot to shoot pigs. Only government agents were allowed to do it in Texas. I know that sounds like a New York law, but it was in Texas. And when the... My buddy Johnson said, "Oh, you can't pay me for gas." I go, "Well, it's gotta be expensive, the helicopter cross poli- collateralization, the, the... You... I can't pay you." And the game warden go, "I hope you're not, uh, paying him to do that." And I go, "Well, who are you? How, how could you possibly think you have the authority to determine whether I pay for the gas in a helicopter as I go up and shoot pigs? Where do you..." "Well, that's the law." And I goes... So, I-

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:19

       Wait. So, the law was you couldn't pay for it?

   30. TNTed Nugent11:21

       You couldn't pay for it.
5. 13:44 – 23:47

   Veganism vs. monocrop reality: ‘How many things die for a salad?’

   1. TNTed Nugent13:44

      This is the most important thing we're gonna talk about today.

   2. JRJoe Rogan13:46

      Okay.

   3. TNTed Nugent13:47

      I had a great time with you in LA and we talked about stuff and I talked about a vegan diet, a vegan d- vegan diet. You corrected me, I called it vegan, you said vegan. My son is one. And I said, "Well, don't you know if you really wanted to kill the most things possible, you would be a vegan?" Because the plow and the disc kills everything preparing the field for your bean, your tofu. And then anything that might just be dismembered and slithered out of the way of the disc or the plow, then they come in with Monsanto and poison the shit out of them. Are you aware, Joe Rogan, that I was bombarded, and I understand that you heard from a lot of people that never thought of it that way.

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:34

      Mm-hmm.

   5. TNTed Nugent14:34

      That the preparing of tofu is the most genocidal slaughter procedure available on planet Earth, 'cause you have to kill everything that interferes with the bean production. Well, last night on Yellowstone, a very popular series, Kevin Costner playing the boss hog of the Yellowstone Ranch, quoted me almost verbatim on that statement as he confronted some animal rights people on the show last night.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      Hmm.

   7. TNTed Nugent15:10

      And I have been bombarded lately with people going, "Costner quoted you from the Joe Rogan interview when he confronted animal rights..." From hundreds of people who saw it. The producers, Sher- Taylor Sheridan, according to my son, Toby, is a big fan of my defiant ballet, my defiance ballet and he must have heard our exchange and it... Joe, it was almost verbatim of what I said on your podcast.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:41

      That's amazing.

   9. TNTed Nugent15:42

      It's, it's, it's awesome because people who responded to me said, "Yeah, I see what you mean. I never thought of it that way." Well, maybe you should start thinking.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       The thing is like, people think of animals dying as like a deer is like, if you shoot a deer, you, you killed an animal. But they don't think that if you wanna grow lettuce, you have to displace wildlife, you have to do what's called monocrop agriculture and when you have thousands of acres of soybeans, uh, for example, that's not normal.

   11. TNTed Nugent16:12

       No. No.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       It's not normal for the ground to have only one plant for thousands of acres and it's not, it's not sustainable. The only way they can do that is to kill everything that was there-

   13. TNTed Nugent16:21

       Kill everything.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       ... and the amount of rabbits that they have to kill-

   15. TNTed Nugent16:24

       Slaughter.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:24

       ... gophers, groundhogs-

   17. TNTed Nugent16:25

       Songbirds.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:26

       ... birds.

   19. TNTed Nugent16:26

       Everything. Snakes, turtles-

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Yeah.

   21. TNTed Nugent16:28

       ... voles, shrews.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       Anything that's ground nesting gets churned up in the, in the s- in the, in the wheels. It's just, it's... They think of it as you're eating plants and, but you can do it in a way where you're not gonna kill anything if you grow your own. If you wanna grow your own vegetables, you have your own garden, you do it organically, you compost all your, you know, your, your, your waste and it's possible to do, but most people are not doing that. Most people are a part of something that's awful. And most people who eat meat are a part of something that's awful too and I think you and I will both agree that factory farming-

   23. TNTed Nugent16:58

       Yes.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:59

       ... is fucking disgusting. It, it-

   25. TNTed Nugent17:00

       Disgusting?

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       ... infuriates me and, and, you know, before I became a hunter, I was on the fence. I w- I watched-

   27. TNTed Nugent17:06

       I remember that.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       ... so many PETA videos and I was like, "I'm either gonna be a vegetarian or I'm gonna be a hunter." I met Rinella, he took me hunting, I shot a mule deer, we cooked it over a fire and I go-

   29. TNTed Nugent17:15

       Perfect.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       ... "This is what I'm doing."
6. 23:47 – 33:01

   Conservation hunting in Africa: rhinos, elephants, and funding anti-poaching

   1. JRJoe Rogan23:47

      That, you know, there was a guy that I had on the podcast many years ago, Corey Knowles, Knowlton or No- Corey Knowlton.

   2. TNTed Nugent23:54

      Knowlton, I think.

   3. JRJoe Rogan23:54

      Yeah. He's a guy who, uh, there was a big hullabaloo-

   4. TNTed Nugent23:57

      Bought the black rhino.

   5. JRJoe Rogan23:58

      ... because he bought a black rhino tag for hundreds of thousands of dollars and people wanted to kill him. And he did a great job of explaining the money that he is spending to go and hunt this black rhino... First of all, they had to kill that rhino because that rhino was killing all the-

   6. TNTed Nugent24:13

      It was a rogue.

   7. JRJoe Rogan24:13

      It was a-

   8. TNTed Nugent24:14

      I have my own story. I did one, I killed one.

   9. JRJoe Rogan24:16

      Well, let me... Let's... I'll, I'll... We'll get to that in a second, but w- his story was interesting because the black rhino is an endangered animal.

   10. TNTed Nugent24:22

       It is.

   11. JRJoe Rogan24:23

       And it was killing all these viable young males.

   12. TNTed Nugent24:26

       Yep.

   13. JRJoe Rogan24:26

       But it wasn't viable anymore so it wasn't... It was no longer breeding but it was still killing.

   14. TNTed Nugent24:30

       It had to go.

   15. JRJoe Rogan24:31

       So they had to do something about it. And so the money that he spent doing that goes towards conservation to take care of these rhinos and CNN of all places, this is back when CNN wasn't quite as fucked up, they did a really good job explaining this.

   16. TNTed Nugent24:46

       Wow.

   17. JRJoe Rogan24:46

       And they followed him around and the guy who was the reporter said, "I have a much better understanding of what this is all about." And it's very confusing.

   18. TNTed Nugent24:54

       Honesty from CNN.

   19. JRJoe Rogan24:55

       It's, it's a v- Look-

   20. TNTed Nugent24:56

       Can I have a copy of that? I'd, I would worship it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:58

       I think it's just, it was just a video of it. But it's, it's a very confusing thing to people that don't understand that the whole reason why the animals are thriving in Africa is because people want to pay to shoot them and that's like, to a lot of people, that is a real problem, like they have a real problem with that. They're like, "That is-"

   22. TNTed Nugent25:13

       Exce- except that, that's, that's not all that is.I've been, I'm 73 in two weeks.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:19

       You look great.

   24. TNTed Nugent25:20

       Uh, if I, (laughs) like I said, if I had some sleep, I'd really be handsome. Um, but I hunt so hard every day, I just beat the shit out of myself, (laughs) and it's so fun. The only thing-

   25. JRJoe Rogan25:29

       You were saying you were on day, before we get started, you, you, y- you were saying before the podcast, you were on day, what, 30, what?

   26. TNTed Nugent25:35

       I don't know. No, this is, uh, what is it? November 29. I started mid-August.

   27. JRJoe Rogan25:40

       Wow.

   28. TNTed Nugent25:40

       Um, and I hunt every day. It's the first day I slept in.

   29. JRJoe Rogan25:43

       Wow.

   30. TNTed Nugent25:44

       First day I slept in. If it's raining, I duck hunt. If it's not raining, I deer hunt or... I, I hunt every day. I live on a ranch and shit needs to die and I get a kick out of sneaking up on them with a bow and arrow. It's so difficult, the, the challenge.
7. 33:01 – 42:09

   Ticks, alpha-gal meat allergy, Lyme disease, and wild disease reservoirs

   1. JRJoe Rogan33:01

      How'd your son become a vegan?

   2. TNTed Nugent33:03

      Uh-

   3. JRJoe Rogan33:03

      He's a very nice guy. Don't mean to pick on you, Rocco.

   4. TNTed Nugent33:05

      He's an amazing... Is he in here right now?

   5. JRJoe Rogan33:06

      No. He's, uh, looking at the camera.

   6. TNTed Nugent33:07

      But yeah, I love him, man.

   7. JRJoe Rogan33:08

      (laughs)

   8. TNTed Nugent33:08

      I love him so much, it's immeasurable. And he's so smart. He's such a smartass. He's such a-

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:13

      Is that a rebellion thing?

   10. TNTed Nugent33:14

       ... critical thinker. I know-

   11. JRJoe Rogan33:15

       'Cause his dad is Ted Dugen?

   12. TNTed Nugent33:16

       I... No. Some people jump to that conclusion, but he has a digestive condition.

   13. JRJoe Rogan33:21

       Oh.

   14. TNTed Nugent33:21

       And he discovered a diet where he didn't have complications, and that diet ended up being hardcore vegan.

   15. JRJoe Rogan33:29

       What is the digestive complication?

   16. TNTed Nugent33:30

       Um, he'd have to explain it, but it's a, it's a-

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:33

       You know that I have a good... A buddy of mine is a hunter who got that, um, that lone star tick disease.

   18. TNTed Nugent33:38

       Oh, geez. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:39

       You know that?

   20. TNTed Nugent33:40

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:40

       The lone star tick is, people, it's, uh, something called alpha-gal.

   22. TNTed Nugent33:43

       Immune to... They're allergic to meat.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:44

       Yeah.

   24. TNTed Nugent33:45

       Yes.

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:45

       And he's, he's a hunter and he's allergic to meat. He got it during a hunt.

   26. TNTed Nugent33:49

       What a pisser.

   27. JRJoe Rogan33:49

       He had a tick burrow, burrow itself... It's, it's really kind of ironic. He had a tick burrow itself on a hunt in, into his belly button and he didn't realize it was even in there.

   28. TNTed Nugent33:59

       Holy shit.

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:59

       And then eventually, by the time we got it out there, he was feeling sick, he didn't feel good. He went and got diagnosed.

   30. TNTed Nugent34:05

       Ugh.
8. 42:09 – 51:51

   COVID policy, lockdown skepticism, and ‘health-first’ prevention (vitamin D, weight, lifestyle)

   1. JRJoe Rogan42:09

      But the point is, like, why... To shut down Africa seems incredibly cruel. Like, I, I believe you have to give people freedom. You gotta give people the opportunity-

   2. TNTed Nugent42:20

      That's radical.

   3. JRJoe Rogan42:20

      ... to make their own choices.

   4. TNTed Nugent42:22

      That's radical.

   5. JRJoe Rogan42:22

      And I think, you know, th- there's ways to test people. It's not hard to test. That's one of the things they did when the people landed. Uh, one of the planes landed from, uh, South Africa. I forget where it landed. But they tested 61 people on the flight, tested positive. Um, and then they-

   6. TNTed Nugent42:39

      61 of them tested?

   7. JRJoe Rogan42:39

      61. And then they put those people in hotels to quarantine for- where it's over. But again, very mild symptoms. So this is, like, a, a huge overreaction in- so far. I mean-

   8. TNTed Nugent42:50

      We've seen a whole lot of that.

   9. JRJoe Rogan42:51

      Goddamn. It's... I never would have thought that it would be this easy to get people to not just comply-

   10. TNTed Nugent42:57

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan42:57

       ... but to turn on their fellow Americans and to tur-... I mean, not just Americans. All over the country. Australia's probably got it worse than anybody.

   12. TNTed Nugent43:04

       But one of these hats I gave you says, "I will not comply."

   13. JRJoe Rogan43:06

       Yeah.

   14. TNTed Nugent43:06

       And it's got a picture of a beautiful rifle on it. Uh, a buddy of mine came to me and had one of those hats and he asked me to sign it. And a bunch of his buddies said, "Where can I get one? I'd like one of those signed." So I made a few. And after a couple thousand, we're at, like, 50,000 of those right now, that people go to tednunger.com and get autographed I will not comply hats. But it's not just about...... gun confiscation. It's about arbitrary, punitive, capricious, nonsense-founded decrees from people who don't have the authority to give those decrees.

   15. JRJoe Rogan43:38

       Right. Yeah. They shouldn't.

   16. TNTed Nugent43:39

       And that's the clusterfuck 2020.

   17. JRJoe Rogan43:40

       They never have had it before. They never had the ability to tell you you can't work before and now they do, and they're using it a lot. And it's not... They're not using it in a rational way. And they're not using it with a real understanding of the consequences, what they're doing to these people that have literally had these businesses through their family-

   18. TNTed Nugent43:57

       Hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan43:57

       ... for decades and decades.

   20. TNTed Nugent43:59

       Heartbreaking.

   21. JRJoe Rogan43:59

       They worked so hard and now it's all gone. It's all gone. And then you look at Florida. Florida made completely different choices and Florida's fine. So, it's, it doesn't make any sense. Like, if, if you look at overall, rationally, like, if you look at the state of the country and what California did versus what Florida did, right now Florida has the lowest numbers of cases per day.

   22. TNTed Nugent44:21

       I saw this.

   23. JRJoe Rogan44:21

       Florida's economy is booming. Their real estate economy is booming 'cause people are escaping all these states where you can't do anything-

   24. TNTed Nugent44:27

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan44:28

       ... and they're going to Florida.

   26. TNTed Nugent44:29

       Yeah. And Texas.

   27. JRJoe Rogan44:29

       We did the first... Yes, and Texas. We did the first UFC in Florida in fucking April. So, the pandemic shut everything down in March, we did a UFC in Florida in April. I mean, we didn't have a crowd because people were still a little skittish-

   28. TNTed Nugent44:41

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan44:42

       ... but Florida, at least, we could go to restaurants. You know, you had to wear a mask, but I was like, "Fine, I'll fucking... Well, whatever." I thought it would last, like, a couple more months and then we'd be over with. But Florida was the first and they were widely criticized. But now if you look at it, I mean, except for times where there's these surges where people love to capitalize on that, those moments and say, "Look, you're killing people. You're killing people," the, if you adjust for age, Florida has done as well if not better than any state in the country when it comes to what happens with this virus. They've shown over time that if you look at how this virus works and if you look at the response to it, lockdowns don't help. They just don't.

   30. TNTed Nugent45:21

       Yeah, I've been following that.
9. 51:51 – 1:20:45

   Stranglehold and the roots of Ted’s guitar style: Bo Diddley, Detroit, and Hendrix

   1. TNTed Nugent51:51

      ... I don't need any impetus. I don't need any outside influences. The great Apache chief said, "God has already given you everything you need." And I believe that wildness, uninhibited-ness, absolute gonzo misbehavior, whatever you need to do is already in here. You just need to know how to unleash it. For example, recently they, I do all these interviews, I have a new record coming out called Detroit Muscle, which is, I sent you a bunch that-

   2. JRJoe Rogan52:20

      How many records have you had?

   3. TNTed Nugent52:22

      40 million I've sold, but I think 20 some, 30 albums maybe.

   4. JRJoe Rogan52:27

      That's pretty incredible.

   5. TNTed Nugent52:28

      Yeah. I started in '67. Not when I was 67.

   6. JRJoe Rogan52:31

      God, damn.

   7. TNTed Nugent52:31

      1967.

   8. JRJoe Rogan52:32

      Do you know how many fighters come out to Stranglehold, by the way?

   9. TNTed Nugent52:34

      Of course I do. Well, what a lick. Shall I?

   10. JRJoe Rogan52:36

       Oh, shit. Yeah, please do.

   11. TNTed Nugent52:37

       I mean-

   12. JRJoe Rogan52:38

       There's so many fighters come out to that song.

   13. TNTed Nugent52:40

       And, and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan52:40

       Because, like, for a jujitsu guy, that is the song.

   15. TNTed Nugent52:42

       And military guys, military guys going into battle. (Stranglehold by Bo Diddley plays)

   16. JRJoe Rogan53:10

       Hit me.

   17. TNTed Nugent53:22

       Look, look at this shit. Look at this shit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan53:24

       Look at your goosebumps. Those are real. Look at that hair standing up on end.

   19. TNTed Nugent53:27

       (laughs) Shit.

   20. JRJoe Rogan53:27

       It really is happening.

   21. TNTed Nugent53:28

       After 1,000 years of that shit?

   22. JRJoe Rogan53:30

       1000 years and you still get fired up.

   23. TNTed Nugent53:32

       (laughs) What a great lick though. That-

   24. JRJoe Rogan53:33

       It's a great fucking song.

   25. TNTed Nugent53:34

       ... that all comes from Bo Diddley. When you first get a guitar, when I was, like, seven years old, of course, who doesn't feel... (Stranglehold by Bo Diddley plays) That is such a natural rhythm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan54:00

       Yeah.

   27. TNTed Nugent54:00

       I was just on the phone with Billy Gibbons and he said that, uh, uh, a fetus at conception, if that Bo Diddley lick is happening-

   28. JRJoe Rogan54:09

       Start moving his little toes?

   29. TNTed Nugent54:09

       ... it will dance.

   30. JRJoe Rogan54:10

       (laughs)
10. 1:20:45 – 1:27:07

    When the label wanted to cut Stranglehold: industry risk vs. audience instinct

    1. TNTed Nugent1:20:45

       Here's a great story. You're not gonna believe this. So, I sign with Epic Records, 1974. Tom Werman, God bless him, Tony Reale, the engineer. Derek St. Holmes, monster force. Rob Grange on bass, unbelievable. Cliff Davies, God rest his soul, on drums. I got this rock & roll band from hell. We're playing all over the country 300 nights a year, cultivating this musical relationship with music lovers that love the dynamic and the crescendos and the experimental and the outrageous uncharted territory musical mayhem, but mostly the intensity of a Detroit piss and vinegar band, which I define. And so they signed me 'cause they liked the songs. We got Stranglehold and Storm Troopin'. Just great licks, great song. Motor City Madhouse, just all these great songs. Derek's got this ungodly voice. So we get in the studio and we're setting up equipment, and they had heard Stranglehold, but they called a meeting, and I didn't know why they called a meeting, but the production company, the m- the engineer, the management company, the band, um, the producer, uh, the... All the, all the record company A&R, artist relations are all had a... Wanna have a meeting. I go, "Oh, great. Maybe we should have a meeting before we start recording. Make sure it's like a team energy thing, like a pre-fight gathering."

Episode duration: 3:32:35