Joe Rogan Experience #1741 - Ted Nugent

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Ted Nugent 0:12 The two important U words I've learned-

Joe Rogan 0:13 Somebody gave me this recently. Check that out.

Ted Nugent 0:15 Oh, the real McCoy?

Joe Rogan 0:16 That's the real McCoy.

Ted Nugent 0:16 Yeah. They find these on my property-

Joe Rogan 0:18 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 0:18 ... outside of Waco.

Joe Rogan 0:19 They're all over the place in Texas.

Ted Nugent 0:20 Yep. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 0:21 I mean, this, this land was occupied for a long time-

Ted Nugent 0:23 How about that?

Joe Rogan 0:23 ... by Native Americans. It's something-

Ted Nugent 0:25 Think it's obs-

Joe Rogan 0:25 It's something-

Ted Nugent 0:25 Think it's obsidian or...

Joe Rogan 0:26 I don't know what it's made out of. I don't know much about rocks, but it's something special about holding one of those, isn't it?

Ted Nugent 0:32 Always.

Joe Rogan 0:32 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 0:32 I killed a goose with a Port Orford Cedar arrow, real natural turkey feathers (whistles) built by George Nichols at Jackson Archery in the '30s. The arrows, the head I found on the Rouge River in Detroit, and I was shooting-

Joe Rogan 0:54 Wow.

Ted Nugent 0:55 ... a, a yew longbow. I might have been eight.

Joe Rogan 0:58 So you found a, a Native American arrowhead-

Ted Nugent 1:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01 ... and you used a 1930s wooden arrow-

Ted Nugent 1:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04 ... with real turkey feathers?

Ted Nugent 1:05 High sh- high-profile shield cut that George Nichols made, who I eventually got to hunt with, who made all of Fred Bear's arrows.

Joe Rogan 1:14 Wow.

Ted Nugent 1:14 There's much mojo that, that, that emits from my spirit, because I've been in such unique environments. But anyhow, I went to a (laughs) I went to the... What was the name of the cemetery? It wa- Wi- Wildwood Cemetery on Grand River and, and Six Mile Road in Detroit, right off the Rouge River. There's a cemeter- cemetery there. And the geese always landed in the ponds and the little cricks that ran off the Rouge River. And I snuck in there with my cousin Mark Schmidt, and I still have that yew wood longbow. I ended up putting electric tape around it 'cause it started to split a little bit. From 1955, maybe.

Joe Rogan 1:51 Wow.

Ted Nugent 1:52 And there was some Canadian geese on a pond, and we snuck in almost like Ishi m- like Org from the Year Three.

Joe Rogan 2:01 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 2:01 Sneaking in through the reeds and the nasty shit. And I drew back and shot that goose, and it flopped all around. But we got that goose, ran to the fence, climbed over the fence, and took it home.

Joe Rogan 2:11 I, I think it's amazing, but I would feel so nervous to lose one of those heads. There's something about those heads, like, I don't think you're suppo- There's a lot of places where you're not supposed to pick them up, which I find to be-

Ted Nugent 2:22 Seriously?

Joe Rogan 2:22 ... very bizarre. Yeah. When I was in Nevada, we were hunting mule deer. I was with Steve Rinella, and, uh, I found one there, and they informed me that you're not supposed to pick it up.

Ted Nugent 2:32 Huh. What man has the authority to tell you that?

Joe Rogan 2:35 I don't understand. Well, I think they, th- the idea is that it's an artifact and that you're supposed to just leave it there, which I don't understand. Because, like, e- either I'm allowed to pick it up and it should go to some sort of a, uh, uh, some museum or something. I mean, I don't know, I don't know where they would keep them.

Ted Nugent 2:53 I would like to think that ha-

Joe Rogan 2:54 But to leave it there.

Ted Nugent 2:55 ... hand-me-downs, um, continue the mojo, pass the mojo on. Don't you think the mojo handed from hand to hand, from generation to generation-

Joe Rogan 3:05 Wow.

Ted Nugent 3:05 ... would have more spirit dev- production, spirit productivity than leaving it on what they, they might call sacred ground?

Joe Rogan 3:15 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 3:15 Is that the theory? I don't know.

Joe Rogan 3:16 I mean, the Native American-

Ted Nugent 3:17 Speaking of.

Joe Rogan 3:17 Some Native American folks have had a real problem with people picking up artifacts and, and claiming them as their own.

Ted Nugent 3:23 Understandable.

Joe Rogan 3:24 I think that's, that's the issue with it. But, um, for me, I mean, we were on a, a bow-hunting trip. Um, and to find an arrow and to know that someone, some Native American had been in that same area-

Ted Nugent 3:38 Powerful history.

Joe Rogan 3:39 ... hundreds and hundreds of years ago, and, you know, hunting for their food to feed their family in that same ground, and that I had picked up a part of their weapon, was pretty amazing.

Ted Nugent 3:48 Well, it might not be historical artifact, but I br- I bring, I come bearing gifts.

Joe Rogan 3:52 You've got a lot of stuff. There's like-

Ted Nugent 3:54 I come bearing gifts.

Joe Rogan 3:55 What is that, a flag? What do you got there?

Ted Nugent 3:56 I brought you-

Joe Rogan 3:56 Come and take it? (laughs)

Ted Nugent 3:57 I, I brought you this.

Joe Rogan 3:58 They have one at the ex- oh, it's signed.

Ted Nugent 4:00 Except this one's autographed, so it has-

Joe Rogan 4:02 Yeah. All right.

Ted Nugent 4:03 It has more kissing in it.

Joe Rogan 4:03 I like it. They have-

Ted Nugent 4:04 So that's for you.

Joe Rogan 4:04 ... one just like that at the range in Austin signed by our governor.

Ted Nugent 4:07 Yes, put that.

Joe Rogan 4:07 There you go.

Ted Nugent 4:07 And I also, just because I ran out of the garage with them, also a come and take it hat.

Joe Rogan 4:15 Oh. Come and take it hat sign.

Ted Nugent 4:17 Also, a very Joe Rogan I will not comply autographed hat.

Joe Rogan 4:21 Oh, nice.

Ted Nugent 4:21 And the reason I'm grabbing these, because-

Joe Rogan 4:24 Wow.

Ted Nugent 4:24 ... it's a great story. This is a great story of my life. You can have that one.

Joe Rogan 4:27 And then a re-elect that motherfucker hat.

Ted Nugent 4:29 And this is a Ted Nugent Sunrise Safaris Will Hunt for Food.

Joe Rogan 4:33 Oh. Nice.

Ted Nugent 4:33 And because I gave these to my grandkids over the holidays, this is so important. I don't know if you carry a flashlight with you, but starting today, you will. This little Browning flashlight from my buddy George Britain at, at Britain's Archery in Tarpon Springs, Florida.

Joe Rogan 4:49 Whoa.

Ted Nugent 4:49 It is so bright. And then when you're going to your stand in the morning...

Joe Rogan 4:53 Oh, you got a green one too.

Ted Nugent 4:54 So you don't a-

Joe Rogan 4:55 Double it up. Nice.

Ted Nugent 4:56 And then d- this will go super bright, middle, and low. I use it-

Joe Rogan 4:59 That's amazing that it's that bright and so small.

Ted Nugent 5:02 I use it 10 times a day.

Joe Rogan 5:04 And it's a USB charger.

Ted Nugent 5:04 When we came in the studio earlier, I had to show, uh, show, uh, J- Jeff where the lock was.

Joe Rogan 5:10 360 lumens. That's a lot, right?

Ted Nugent 5:12 For a little tiny thing like... I used to carry a big ass flashlight in my pocket.

Joe Rogan 5:15 Well, and it clips onto your pants with that little, uh, clip on the back.

Ted Nugent 5:18 Or your hat, when you wear a cap.

Joe Rogan 5:19 Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. I, I wear one of those when I go into the woods. I wear one of the hat ones. Thanks though.

Ted Nugent 5:23 So merry Christmas, happy Thanksgiving, happy birthday. This should-

Joe Rogan 5:26 Thank you very much.

Ted Nugent 5:26 These are enough gifts for our next four or five years if we don't run into each other again.

Joe Rogan 5:30 All right. I like it. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Ted Nugent 5:32 (laughs) So my first opening volley.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Okay.

Ted Nugent 5:34 Most important thing.

Joe Rogan 5:35 Yes.

Ted Nugent 5:35 Joe, how are you?

Joe Rogan 5:38 I'm good. How are you, Ted?

Ted Nugent 5:39 You seem good.

Joe Rogan 5:40 Thank you.

Ted Nugent 5:40 You seem good. I'm good.

Joe Rogan 5:41 I'm good.

Ted Nugent 5:42 I'm good. Y- you're healthy, you're happy.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Yes.

Ted Nugent 5:45 You're-

Joe Rogan 5:45 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 5:45 ... focused.

Joe Rogan 5:46 Yes.

Ted Nugent 5:47 You got a samurai thing going on.

Joe Rogan 5:49 Yes. Everything's good. I'm very happy.

Ted Nugent 5:50 That's all I wanted to know.

Joe Rogan 5:51 A samurai thing? What do you mean?

Ted Nugent 5:52 Well, supreme focus.

Joe Rogan 5:54 Oh, okay.

Ted Nugent 5:55 Dedication to being oneness with any given endeavor.

Joe Rogan 5:58 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 5:58 And obviously you're a, if you're arrowing elk with Cameron and, and hunting with Steve Rinella, that's, that's what I call the samurai touch with nature. Those guys live that stuff. You live that stuff. I live that stuff. So I wanna make sure you're feeling good.

Joe Rogan 6:12 I'm feeling good. Yeah. I'm very fortunate to know those guys, to be able to m- have a mentor, like my first mentor, Steve Rinella, to be able to, to have that guy take me out hunting-

Ted Nugent 6:21 Michigan boy.

Joe Rogan 6:21 ... for my first time. Yes, Michigan boy.

Ted Nugent 6:23 Great, great tradition in Michigan.

Joe Rogan 6:25 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 6:25 So what do you got in this pot here?

Joe Rogan 6:26 That's coffee, sir. You want some coffee?

Ted Nugent 6:26 Can I have a slug of that?

Joe Rogan 6:27 There you go.

Ted Nugent 6:28 Let me get a slug of that.

Joe Rogan 6:29 Black coffee.

Ted Nugent 6:30 So, I bring you positive spirit and energy and attitude and, uh-

Joe Rogan 6:33 You bring everything.

Ted Nugent 6:34 ... goodwill and decency. I'm having the greatest hunting season of my life. I'm shooting some mystical arrows into some sacred pump stations. I'm getting a lot of venison donated to soup kitchens and homeless shelters and neighbors and making gifts to the band and the crew since we haven't toured and everybody is horny to unleash the musical beast.

Joe Rogan 6:53 Yeah, that is, uh, a beautiful thing about that. Uh, Hunters for the Hungry program.

Ted Nugent 6:57 Beautiful, nationwide.

Joe Rogan 6:58 It's incredible.

Ted Nugent 6:59 To hunt... When I t- I do media all the time, and the hunting thing always comes up.

Joe Rogan 7:04 Of course.

Ted Nugent 7:05 And, and if they don't bring it up, I make sure I do, because it needs to be promoted and celebrated in the face of stupidity. Which, boy, do I-

Joe Rogan 7:12 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 7:12 ... have a great story for you. You're gonna... I don't know. You're gonna love this. You already love me, but you're gonna love me more in a moment here.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Really?

Ted Nugent 7:18 Yes.

Joe Rogan 7:19 Let me prepare myself.

Ted Nugent 7:19 So, anyhow, when I do the media and I explain to them about venison, organic, renewable, nutritious, pure, natural, healthy, good, good, win, win, win, win, win.

Joe Rogan 7:31 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 7:32 I never get any pushback. Not since the '60s and '70s where hippies pushed back. Um, because it's universally at least understood in its most basic truism.

Joe Rogan 7:46 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 7:47 But whenever I bring up that the Hunters for the Hungry has been going on, Hunters for the Hungry, Sportsmen Against Hunger, are various state organizations where they distribute natural harvested surplus venison to homeless shelters, soup kitchens, needy families. Even to Glenn Beck, he goes, "250 million hot meals a we- a year? Come on. That c- that can't be true." And I go, "Well, you got Ted Nugent talking to you." If it's coming out of my mouth, it's true. I do research. I don't have opinions, I have facts, I have evidence.

Joe Rogan 8:17 Is it really that much? 250 million meals?

Ted Nugent 8:20 250 million pure nutritious meals of venison.

Joe Rogan 8:23 How many animals is that? That's crazy. I mean, uh-

Ted Nugent 8:26 But we kill t-

Joe Rogan 8:27 You obviously... You kill a, an animal's-

Ted Nugent 8:29 Tens of millions.

Joe Rogan 8:30 ... many, many, many, many meals-

Ted Nugent 8:31 Yes. Nationwide.

Joe Rogan 8:32 ... in one go. Yeah. But it's, um... That's... Is that pigs as well or is it just, uh-

Ted Nugent 8:37 No. Elk, deer. Mostly deer, probably 90% deer.

Joe Rogan 8:40 We have, uh-

Ted Nugent 8:40 Not many people donate elk meat.

Joe Rogan 8:42 Pl- No. Don't... I, I donate-

Ted Nugent 8:44 (laughs) Yeah. Too damn good.

Joe Rogan 8:44 ... to friends, but I have to love them dearly.

Ted Nugent 8:46 Well, I, I'm a generous loving guy, but I keep the back straps.

Joe Rogan 8:50 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 8:50 Okay? I'm generous, but I'm not an idiot.

Joe Rogan 8:52 Yeah. Well, the roasts are pretty damn good too. Um, I have played on this podcast multiple times. You, uh, shooting pigs out of a helicopter.

Ted Nugent 8:59 They're so beautiful.

Joe Rogan 9:01 It's-

Ted Nugent 9:01 You're talking about samurai.

Joe Rogan 9:03 But it's, it's a crazy thing that, like, pe- people that don't understand will look at that and go, "This is horrible. This is awful." It's like, you don't understand invasive species. You don't understand the fact that this actually has to be done. And if you're a person that likes to eat vegetables, guess what? They're gonna eat them all.

Ted Nugent 9:17 That's true.

Joe Rogan 9:17 They're gonna destroy them all. Like, they, they need to do something about these animals and there's no way you could stop them from breeding.

Ted Nugent 9:23 Ye-

Joe Rogan 9:23 There's millions of pigs in Texas alone.

Ted Nugent 9:25 Tens of millions.

Joe Rogan 9:26 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 9:26 If, if I may put-

Joe Rogan 9:27 Please.

Ted Nugent 9:27 ... the definitive comment on that.

Joe Rogan 9:29 Yeah, please do.

Ted Nugent 9:30 If you have a problem with killing pigs from a helicopter, you're an idiot. And let me help fix you, 'cause we're all idiots at some point in life-

Joe Rogan 9:39 Right.

Ted Nugent 9:39 ... 'cause we don't know nothing, there's ignorance and I've been ignorant. I'm s- I'm currently ignorant on how to weld. I need to learn that. But I admit my ignorance so that I don't fuck up a weld.

Joe Rogan 9:48 Right.

Ted Nugent 9:48 I get a guy who's not ignorant about welding. So, let me fix the ignorant out there and see if I can't weld some intelligence into their otherwise craving mind for information. When we kill pigs from a helicopter, it benefits the environment because they destroy the environment. They erode everything and it causes devastation to waterways and riverine habitat and just every habitat. So, we're saving the environment. So, shut up. We're saving agriculture because they destroy tens of millions of dollars of agriculture every year. "So, we're saving agriculture."

Joe Rogan 10:22 That's... I think that's just in Texas. Tens of millions.

Ted Nugent 10:23 Yeah. Just to... Just Texas.

Joe Rogan 10:25 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 10:25 Not to mention California-

Joe Rogan 10:26 Yeah, all over the country.

Ted Nugent 10:27 ... and Mississippi and... So, when we, when we kill pigs from a helicopter, we have created an industry that I legalized before I called then Governor Perry and then Attorney General Greg Abbott. It was against-

Joe Rogan 10:40 That was your idea? The helicopter thing?

Ted Nugent 10:42 Yeah, it was against the law. You couldn't pay a helicopter pilot to shoot pigs. Only government agents were allowed to do it in Texas. I know that sounds like a New York law, but it was in Texas. And when the... My buddy Johnson said, "Oh, you can't pay me for gas." I go, "Well, it's gotta be expensive, the helicopter cross poli- collateralization, the, the... You... I can't pay you." And the game warden go, "I hope you're not, uh, paying him to do that." And I go, "Well, who are you? How, how could you possibly think you have the authority to determine whether I pay for the gas in a helicopter as I go up and shoot pigs? Where do you..." "Well, that's the law." And I goes... So, I-

Joe Rogan 11:19 Wait. So, the law was you couldn't pay for it?

Ted Nugent 11:21 You couldn't pay for it.

Joe Rogan 11:23 Why? Why? Is it like a prostitution thing?

Ted Nugent 11:24 Don't start asking... Don't ask why.

Joe Rogan 11:25 Right? 'Cause sex is free.

Ted Nugent 11:26 You get... Why isn't Hillary in prison? I mean, I mean... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 11:28 Why isn't she in prison?

Ted Nugent 11:29 That's my point.

Joe Rogan 11:29 It's a good question.

Ted Nugent 11:30 The why question is, is i- eternal. Anyhow.

Joe Rogan 11:34 Right.

Ted Nugent 11:34 So, I called Governor Perry and I said, "Rick, you've got to be kidding me because everybody knows that wild hogs in Teke- Texas are an absolute scourge of a liability. You're creating systems by which we can reduce the population and then you make the most effective s- solution illegal." He goes, "Well, I had no idea." I go, "Well, the guitar player will help." Now, I need to call Greg Abbott so on the hunt was Kris Kobach, who happens to be a constitutional attorney. Really a wise one, really super one, right up there with Cruz. And so we... He googled the laws and he rewrote them at the camp.... at the helicopter camp. We're s- slamming hogs from the helicopter. We're saving farmers money, we're saving the environment, we're saving wildlife, 'cause hogs kill everything they can finally, they run into, whether it's eggs or fawns or-

Joe Rogan 12:24 And they're delicious.

Ted Nugent 12:25 And, a- and pigs are delicious. That's why we created Hogs For A Cause charity-

Joe Rogan 12:30 Oh.

Ted Nugent 12:30 ... where we pick up the dead hogs and we process this organic pork and we feed soup kitchens and homeless shelters. So, don't you see? It's win, win, win, win, w- everything is good! There's nothing bad about it! "Well, it's not sport." Well then you share with me your last helicopter hog hunt where you hit the pigs every time from a moving helicopter at an erratically running hog. Shut the fuck up!

Joe Rogan 12:52 (laughs) .

Ted Nugent 12:52 Anyhow, so after we called Abbott and, and, and Perry and Kris Kobach, these guys are attorneys and I don't hold it against them, uh, they rewrote it. Two weeks later, it was legal. And here's the next win. We created an enormous new industry that is generating tens of millions of dollars for travel, hotels, groceries, ammo, sporting goods, taxidermists, ice, beer, guides, outfitters, helicopter owners. So it's win, win, win, win. So I'll go back to my opening statement. If you're against this completely, conclusively, definitively win situation for everything, you're an idiot. Now take the information I just shared with you and try to eliminate your idiocy. Now let, bef- I know you're gonna-

Joe Rogan 13:43 Go ahead.

Ted Nugent 13:43 ... listen to me.

Joe Rogan 13:44 Please do.

Ted Nugent 13:44 This is the most important thing we're gonna talk about today.

Joe Rogan 13:46 Okay.

Ted Nugent 13:47 I had a great time with you in LA and we talked about stuff and I talked about a vegan diet, a vegan d- vegan diet. You corrected me, I called it vegan, you said vegan. My son is one. And I said, "Well, don't you know if you really wanted to kill the most things possible, you would be a vegan?" Because the plow and the disc kills everything preparing the field for your bean, your tofu. And then anything that might just be dismembered and slithered out of the way of the disc or the plow, then they come in with Monsanto and poison the shit out of them. Are you aware, Joe Rogan, that I was bombarded, and I understand that you heard from a lot of people that never thought of it that way.

Joe Rogan 14:34 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 14:34 That the preparing of tofu is the most genocidal slaughter procedure available on planet Earth, 'cause you have to kill everything that interferes with the bean production. Well, last night on Yellowstone, a very popular series, Kevin Costner playing the boss hog of the Yellowstone Ranch, quoted me almost verbatim on that statement as he confronted some animal rights people on the show last night.

Joe Rogan 15:10 Hmm.

Ted Nugent 15:10 And I have been bombarded lately with people going, "Costner quoted you from the Joe Rogan interview when he confronted animal rights..." From hundreds of people who saw it. The producers, Sher- Taylor Sheridan, according to my son, Toby, is a big fan of my defiant ballet, my defiance ballet and he must have heard our exchange and it... Joe, it was almost verbatim of what I said on your podcast.

Joe Rogan 15:41 That's amazing.

Ted Nugent 15:42 It's, it's, it's awesome because people who responded to me said, "Yeah, I see what you mean. I never thought of it that way." Well, maybe you should start thinking.

Joe Rogan 15:50 The thing is like, people think of animals dying as like a deer is like, if you shoot a deer, you, you killed an animal. But they don't think that if you wanna grow lettuce, you have to displace wildlife, you have to do what's called monocrop agriculture and when you have thousands of acres of soybeans, uh, for example, that's not normal.

Ted Nugent 16:12 No. No.

Joe Rogan 16:12 It's not normal for the ground to have only one plant for thousands of acres and it's not, it's not sustainable. The only way they can do that is to kill everything that was there-

Ted Nugent 16:21 Kill everything.

Joe Rogan 16:21 ... and the amount of rabbits that they have to kill-

Ted Nugent 16:24 Slaughter.

Joe Rogan 16:24 ... gophers, groundhogs-

Ted Nugent 16:25 Songbirds.

Joe Rogan 16:26 ... birds.

Ted Nugent 16:26 Everything. Snakes, turtles-

Joe Rogan 16:28 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 16:28 ... voles, shrews.

Joe Rogan 16:29 Anything that's ground nesting gets churned up in the, in the s- in the, in the wheels. It's just, it's... They think of it as you're eating plants and, but you can do it in a way where you're not gonna kill anything if you grow your own. If you wanna grow your own vegetables, you have your own garden, you do it organically, you compost all your, you know, your, your, your waste and it's possible to do, but most people are not doing that. Most people are a part of something that's awful. And most people who eat meat are a part of something that's awful too and I think you and I will both agree that factory farming-

Ted Nugent 16:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 16:59 ... is fucking disgusting. It, it-

Ted Nugent 17:00 Disgusting?

Joe Rogan 17:01 ... infuriates me and, and, you know, before I became a hunter, I was on the fence. I w- I watched-

Ted Nugent 17:06 I remember that.

Joe Rogan 17:07 ... so many PETA videos and I was like, "I'm either gonna be a vegetarian or I'm gonna be a hunter." I met Rinella, he took me hunting, I shot a mule deer, we cooked it over a fire and I go-

Ted Nugent 17:15 Perfect.

Joe Rogan 17:16 ... "This is what I'm doing."

Ted Nugent 17:16 Perfect.

Joe Rogan 17:17 From, I f- it felt like I had tapped in, like I'd opened up a door to some DNA that I didn't know existed and the way I explain it to people that have never hunted, I'm like, "Do you know that feeling when you catch a fish? There's a feeling when the fish is on the line w- there's an excitement that doesn't even totally make sense." But what that excitement is, i- there's this, there's a primal door that opens up when you realize you are now gonna feed your family. You have this fish, it's on the line, you're gonna pull it in and this wild animal that you've captured will now, uh, it w- it will now give n- nutrients to your loved ones. That is, there's in there, it's in there. It's in your DNA and when you hunt, when you... The first time I shot that deer and we were sitting there cooking and eating it over the fire, I knew it right away.

Ted Nugent 18:03 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 18:03 I was like, "Okay, this is how you're supposed to eat meat."

Ted Nugent 18:04 'Cause you're a smart man.

Joe Rogan 18:06 This is how you're supposed to eat meat. You're supposed to go get it.

Ted Nugent 18:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:08 That's how you're supposed to-

Ted Nugent 18:09 Hello? That-

Joe Rogan 18:09 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 18:09 ... that's why I was attacked all throughout my career-

Joe Rogan 18:12 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 18:12 ... for murdering innocent animals and I knew that what I was doing was pure.

Joe Rogan 18:16 Well, there's also the reality that no animal in the wild dies, uh, in a nice way.

Ted Nugent 18:22 No.

Joe Rogan 18:22 They don't die of old age. It's not-

Ted Nugent 18:23 Tooth, fang and claw.

Joe Rogan 18:25 100% of them.

Ted Nugent 18:25 I've, I've used the term tooth, fang and claw and nobody knows what that means. I have to explain it. But when I was growing up, that's the description of nature.

Joe Rogan 18:34 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 18:34 Because it is the description of nature, tooth, fang and claw. There is no gentle death in nature. It's all prolonged, heartbreaking to the human psyche-

Joe Rogan 18:44 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 18:44 ... and real.

Joe Rogan 18:45 It's natural.

Ted Nugent 18:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:46 That's just the, it's the way the cycle works. I mean, there's a reason... The, the, the horrible thing is, if, if it didn't happen that way, they would overpopulate and there would be terrible diseases-

Ted Nugent 18:55 Disease.

Joe Rogan 18:55 Yeah. I mean, this is-

Ted Nugent 18:56 Destruction of habitat.

Joe Rogan 18:57 Yeah. And-

Ted Nugent 18:58 Here, here's the bottom line.... shit has to die.

Joe Rogan 19:02 Yes.

Ted Nugent 19:03 The surplus has to be utilized with reverence, i.e. garlic and butter. Revenue generated, family hours of recreation. "Well, how can you enjoy killing an animal?" Because it's a challenge, because it's a fulfilling spiritual experience knowing that God created these beasts, much like the Aboriginal people put the, the, uh, the hieroglyphics on the cave wall because they, they were desperate to adequately convey reverence-

Joe Rogan 19:31 Right.

Ted Nugent 19:31 ... for this beast that was difficult to get close to with a sharp stick. They had to dedicate themselves to a higher level of awareness, predator capabilities, reasoning predator, in order to kill it cleanly because the mastodon would kill them if they didn't kill it cleanly. And then that hunter brought not just food, food, clothing, shelter, medicine, tools, weapons, and more important than any of that, and I'm just a stupid guitar player but I figured this out by the time I was 12, more important than the tools and the weapons and the food and the protein and the, the, the, the clothing and the, and the, the shelters, which is what the bison and the mastodon provided, there is a sense when you're done of eternal spirit that this isn't just tangible, physical stuff. That something else happens, like you talked about around the campfire, chewing on a, a mule deer backstrap, when you teach your grandkids how to catch that fish and filet that beautiful filet off of that skeleton and fry it up and you eat it, it is a, it's a physical ballet but it's equal as a spiritual ballet because you're... If you're a dirtbag, if you're a dunce, and if you don't care, you're gonna have to hire somebody else to do it and that's where the factory farming comes in. And I got a, I got a comment. God bless the farmers and ranchers because if we want 10 billion chickens a week, that's how you gotta do it.

Joe Rogan 21:03 Yeah. Yeah, I'm not... Uh, and, and there's, by the way, there's a lot of ranchers that, they treat their animals very well and they really just have one bad moment of one day.

Ted Nugent 21:12 Yes.

Joe Rogan 21:12 And that's when they get that piston through the brain and it-

Ted Nugent 21:14 I've ha-

Joe Rogan 21:14 ... happens instantaneously. There's, there's a lot of great ranchers out there.

Ted Nugent 21:18 I've hung out with them all my life.

Joe Rogan 21:19 Yeah, it's not all factory farming.

Ted Nugent 21:21 They, th-

Joe Rogan 21:21 Like, you can buy ethically raised food.

Ted Nugent 21:23 The majority of them are conscientious stewards.

Joe Rogan 21:26 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 21:27 They, they watch the water, the soil, the air.

Joe Rogan 21:29 There's a company that we work with too, it's called ButcherBox, and they source all-

Ted Nugent 21:33 Great, great stuff. Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 21:34 It's a good, great company, and they source all their food from ethically, uh, e- ethical ranchers, ethical, like, uh, their, their seafood, all, it's all s- from sustainable sources. All their chickens are free-range, wild chicken, I mean, not wild.

Ted Nugent 21:48 That's a reaction-

Joe Rogan 21:49 But free-range chickens.

Ted Nugent 21:49 ... that's a proper responsible reaction-

Joe Rogan 21:52 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 21:52 ... to the dumbing down of America where they don't care.

Joe Rogan 21:55 Right.

Ted Nugent 21:55 And then of course we can get into the insanity of squandering for healthcare because people don't care about their health and it starts with diet.

Joe Rogan 22:04 Yeah. Diet is the most important thing.

Ted Nugent 22:06 The sugar, the garbage.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Isn't that funny that, like, all this healthcare talk, very, very, very little talk about losing weight?

Ted Nugent 22:11 Mm.

Joe Rogan 22:11 And, and then making sure you eat good nutrition.

Ted Nugent 22:14 I've lost-

Joe Rogan 22:14 Very little talk of it. Through, through this whole pandemic it was an amazing opportunity for the government to say, "Folks, here is one of the most important things you can do for your immune system, make your body healthy."

Ted Nugent 22:25 Tucker Carlson is the only guy I've seen that mentions that specifically.

Joe Rogan 22:29 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 22:29 I think he's a great guy but I-

Joe Rogan 22:30 Well, Tucker's a fisherman, you know?

Ted Nugent 22:32 Hardcore.

Joe Rogan 22:33 Yeah, hardcore fly fisherman.

Ted Nugent 22:34 Hardcore, yep, that's why he bo-

Joe Rogan 22:35 And he was on Rinella's podcast and I was really impressed with his-

Ted Nugent 22:38 He knows his stuff.

Joe Rogan 22:39 ... knowledge of fishing.

Ted Nugent 22:40 Well-

Joe Rogan 22:40 And the fact how he's so dedicated to it.

Ted Nugent 22:42 And he understands the physic- this physics of spirituality about the dedication and tying that fly to look just-

Joe Rogan 22:49 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 22:49 ... like the midge. It's an art form.

Joe Rogan 22:51 The fly fishing thing is weird though to me because a lot of them just let them go. They're just out there-

Ted Nugent 22:56 I can't catch and release.

Joe Rogan 22:57 ... fucking with fish. Yeah. They're fucking with the fish.

Ted Nugent 22:59 I know there's some streams where you have to, and I, I admit that.

Joe Rogan 23:02 Yeah. Yeah.

Ted Nugent 23:02 But I'm not gonna fish there because I like a slab.

Joe Rogan 23:05 Yeah. I, I, I find it odd. I mean, I know that it's fun to do. I've done it before. You know, I've, I've gone fly fishing, I've gone, um, salmon fishing when you have to let them go. I get it, but it's weird.

Ted Nugent 23:18 It doesn't feel right.

Joe Rogan 23:18 No, it feels-

Ted Nugent 23:19 This is food. You don't let food go.

Joe Rogan 23:20 It also feel... Like imagine if you could, like, shoot an elk in the head with like a blunt dart and it knocked him out cold.

Ted Nugent 23:26 Don't do it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 23:27 And then you walked up on him, took a picture of him, and then gave him some smelly salts and let him go.

Ted Nugent 23:30 Well, you got your, you got your rhino hunting in Africa, the green rhino hunts where they dart them.

Joe Rogan 23:33 Right. Yeah, they dart them but I'm not interested that either.

Ted Nugent 23:36 I'm not interested in that.

Joe Rogan 23:37 Well, I, I would be interested in going to one of those things because, you know, there's a whole conservation effort to try to save those rhinos and I think it'd be fascinating just to be around them and watch it happen, but...

Ted Nugent 23:47 Sure, sure.

Joe Rogan 23:47 That, you know, there was a guy that I had on the podcast many years ago, Corey Knowles, Knowlton or No- Corey Knowlton.

Ted Nugent 23:54 Knowlton, I think.

Joe Rogan 23:54 Yeah. He's a guy who, uh, there was a big hullabaloo-

Ted Nugent 23:57 Bought the black rhino.

Joe Rogan 23:58 ... because he bought a black rhino tag for hundreds of thousands of dollars and people wanted to kill him. And he did a great job of explaining the money that he is spending to go and hunt this black rhino... First of all, they had to kill that rhino because that rhino was killing all the-

Ted Nugent 24:13 It was a rogue.

Joe Rogan 24:13 It was a-

Ted Nugent 24:14 I have my own story. I did one, I killed one.

Joe Rogan 24:16 Well, let me... Let's... I'll, I'll... We'll get to that in a second, but w- his story was interesting because the black rhino is an endangered animal.

Ted Nugent 24:22 It is.

Joe Rogan 24:23 And it was killing all these viable young males.

Ted Nugent 24:26 Yep.

Joe Rogan 24:26 But it wasn't viable anymore so it wasn't... It was no longer breeding but it was still killing.

Ted Nugent 24:30 It had to go.

Joe Rogan 24:31 So they had to do something about it. And so the money that he spent doing that goes towards conservation to take care of these rhinos and CNN of all places, this is back when CNN wasn't quite as fucked up, they did a really good job explaining this.

Ted Nugent 24:46 Wow.

Joe Rogan 24:46 And they followed him around and the guy who was the reporter said, "I have a much better understanding of what this is all about." And it's very confusing.

Ted Nugent 24:54 Honesty from CNN.

Joe Rogan 24:55 It's, it's a v- Look-

Ted Nugent 24:56 Can I have a copy of that? I'd, I would worship it.

Joe Rogan 24:58 I think it's just, it was just a video of it. But it's, it's a very confusing thing to people that don't understand that the whole reason why the animals are thriving in Africa is because people want to pay to shoot them and that's like, to a lot of people, that is a real problem, like they have a real problem with that. They're like, "That is-"

Ted Nugent 25:13 Exce- except that, that's, that's not all that is.I've been, I'm 73 in two weeks.

Joe Rogan 25:19 You look great.

Ted Nugent 25:20 Uh, if I, (laughs) like I said, if I had some sleep, I'd really be handsome. Um, but I hunt so hard every day, I just beat the shit out of myself, (laughs) and it's so fun. The only thing-

Joe Rogan 25:29 You were saying you were on day, before we get started, you, you, y- you were saying before the podcast, you were on day, what, 30, what?

Ted Nugent 25:35 I don't know. No, this is, uh, what is it? November 29. I started mid-August.

Joe Rogan 25:40 Wow.

Ted Nugent 25:40 Um, and I hunt every day. It's the first day I slept in.

Joe Rogan 25:43 Wow.

Ted Nugent 25:44 First day I slept in. If it's raining, I duck hunt. If it's not raining, I deer hunt or... I, I hunt every day. I live on a ranch and shit needs to die and I get a kick out of sneaking up on them with a bow and arrow. It's so difficult, the, the challenge.

Joe Rogan 25:56 How many meals do you think you donate every year to the Hunters for the Hungry?

Ted Nugent 25:59 (sighs) Thousands.

Joe Rogan 26:02 Thousands?

Ted Nugent 26:03 Thousands.

Joe Rogan 26:03 That's incredible.

Ted Nugent 26:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:04 I mean, it really is amazing.

Ted Nugent 26:06 I kill a lot of deer.

Joe Rogan 26:06 'Cause if, like, if you just donated to soup camps, or soup kitchens rather, and you donated to any other organization that feeds the hungry, y- you know, you'd have to spend a fuck load of money to get thousands of meals.

Ted Nugent 26:17 And they need meat. They can get-

Joe Rogan 26:19 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 26:19 ... dented cans of beans, they can get-

Joe Rogan 26:20 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 26:21 ... four-day-old bread, but they can't get meat.

Joe Rogan 26:23 Right.

Ted Nugent 26:23 So the majority of soup kitchens and homeless shelters, I work with, uh, Project K- K- Caritas in Waco, and we got butchers in Michigan where we donate whole carcasses. And again, I'm a sweetheart, but I'm not an idiot. I keep the back straps.

Joe Rogan 26:37 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 26:38 (laughs) I mean, not all of them, but most of the back straps.

Joe Rogan 26:41 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 26:41 That's what, that's what we like. But anyhow, um, that system, regarding the rhino, is a perfect example because it's so controversial. I killed a white rhino in South Africa in '95, '96. This rhino had killed three rhinos, ravaged entire agriculture operations, and had killed young elephants. It was a rogue rhino. He was 20 some years old, and they had to kill him. Now, there's a choice. If you want to save rhinos and save other animals, this rogue rhino has to die. You can take tax dollars, or however they do it in Africa, and you can hire people to go kill it, or you can sell that tag, someone who wants the big five or someone who's fascinated by dangerous game and big giant animals, and I'd never killed a rhino and as, growing up, the rhinos were the symbol of, like, the ultimate dangerous hunt, even though they're not, um, something I learned later. But the money I paid for that rhino paid for years of salaries for anti-poaching squads to save the rhinos. So my killing the rhino saved many rhinos and other wildlife, and the, the elephant that I killed in South Africa had already killed people. It came over from the Tuli herd in South Afr- from Botswana across the, uh, uh, the, the Limpopo River, and had ravaged agriculture, destroyed villages. The elephant had to die. Now, that's not the typical scenario. I mean, it's not, uh, not like the deer and the elk and the moose and antelope-

Joe Rogan 28:22 Right.

Ted Nugent 28:22 ... are threatening people. But they produce surplus. The animals have babies every year. The ground doesn't expand. The population increases every spring, but the ground not only f- doesn't expand, it recedes because of habitat destruction.

Joe Rogan 28:41 I, I think it's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow. The idea that-

Ted Nugent 28:43 Well, they need to start swallowing it.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Y- I know, but they don't hear it enough. I mean, if they don't hear it like this-

Ted Nugent 28:48 Well, if it wasn't for you and me, I don't think anybody would hear this stuff.

Joe Rogan 28:50 It's hard to hear it. It's, it's hard to have the conver- 'cause if you go, go to the average person and you say, "Is there ever any reason to shoot a rhino?" They'd be like, "Fuck no. Don't you know that rhinos are dying?" "Okay, well what if the rhino's killing other rhinos?" They'd go... "Does that happen?" Like, they don't even know.

Ted Nugent 29:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:05 They don't even know.

Ted Nugent 29:06 I- "Joe, you're talking to the guy who's been on the front line-"

Joe Rogan 29:08 Yeah, I know.

Ted Nugent 29:08 "... of this stuff all my life."

Joe Rogan 29:10 I know. I know you have. Yeah.

Ted Nugent 29:10 I've had... Uh, when I go to Whole Foods or I'm at the-

Joe Rogan 29:13 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 29:13 ... Starbucks or I'm in Mill Valley, uh, north of San Francisco, people come up to me all the time that don't look like conservationists or conservatives-

Joe Rogan 29:23 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 29:23 ... or Ted Nugent fans, and they initiate this dialogue with me and within minutes, if they have certain questions about assault weapons or shooting endangered species-

Joe Rogan 29:33 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 29:33 ... I, I take a deep breath and I be i- um, the consummate gentleman, trying to educate them in a gentle way, but in a non, um, compromising way. And within minutes-

Joe Rogan 29:44 Do you ever get tired of doing it? 'Cause you've been doing it for so long.

Ted Nugent 29:46 No, not at all. Because the, the educ- the anti-education system has so efficiently dumbed down such a huge swath of our culture, that I feel, like I was just gonna share, the, the gal from Starbucks in, m- m- is it Mill Valley or Valley Mills, north of Calif- north of San Francisco, um, confronted me and I just took a couple minutes to explain surplus and value-

Joe Rogan 30:12 What did she say to you?

Ted Nugent 30:13 She goes, "I can't believe that you would kill an elk."

Joe Rogan 30:17 Hmm.

Ted Nugent 30:17 And I go, "Well, have you ever eaten elk?" I mean, "What do you eat?" I mean, "I'm a vegan." I then explained the whole-

Joe Rogan 30:23 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 30:23 ... tofu slaughter system. She goes, "Yeah, but still." And I go, "No, not, no."

Joe Rogan 30:28 It's not still.

Ted Nugent 30:29 Not, "Yeah, but still." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:31 Here's the thing too.

Ted Nugent 30:31 That's never a legitimate response. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 30:32 It's, you have to ask them, does one animal equal... Does one life... Is one life equal or are lives more valuable when they're big?

Ted Nugent 30:40 And the beautiful thing about that environment, in that ultra-liberal environment, she is aware of the field, the, the field to table restaurants-

Joe Rogan 30:52 Yes.

Ted Nugent 30:52 ... in, in that area.

Joe Rogan 30:53 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 30:53 Where they're getting these wild pigs-

Joe Rogan 30:55 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 30:55 ... and they're getting the permits to process them.

Joe Rogan 30:57 Right.

Ted Nugent 30:57 And deer meat, and, and wild s- squirrels and, and raccoons. They're eating raccoons.

Joe Rogan 31:04 W- who's eating ra- where are they eating raccoons?

Ted Nugent 31:05 They're... Up in San Francisco, there's a field to table specialty restaurant where they-

Joe Rogan 31:09 They need to eat looters.

Ted Nugent 31:11 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:11 I wonder if looters are delicious.

Ted Nugent 31:12 I don't know about eat them. We'd need to trap them.

Joe Rogan 31:15 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 31:15 Um, so, so common sense-

Joe Rogan 31:19 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 31:19 ... once, uh...... explained with adequate evidence to support the explanation, I find that it's approaching 100% of the time those hardcore against it literally turn... I literally have seen this happen so many times. "Oh, I didn't know that."

Joe Rogan 31:42 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 31:42 They always turn their head and they kind of wince and go... Because they want to cling to the fantasy that they can save a life by not killing a, a moose.

Joe Rogan 31:51 Right.

Ted Nugent 31:51 And, uh, within minutes, one... And I do this on our Spirit of the Wild show. You should see, you should see the bombardment of emails and correspondence I get where when I was on your podcast, Jesse James, who builds the guns and the hot rods here in Austin, he said I fixed his daughters who were viciously against him hunting and catching fish-

Joe Rogan 32:10 Hmm.

Ted Nugent 32:10 ... and not releasing them, until they heard the explanation of how many things die for a salad.

Joe Rogan 32:17 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 32:17 Um, and he said, uh, uh, they never heard it like that before and quite honestly, neither did I. But I lived this stuff. I've, I've driven a tractor. I see the seagulls and the crows behind me. And I see the, the slithering, dismembered creatures that the plow destroyed-

Joe Rogan 32:31 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 32:31 ... and that's why the seagulls and the crows are following the tractor to eat these wounded animals.

Joe Rogan 32:36 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 32:36 Because in order to get a tofu salad, you gotta kill the shit out of a whole bunch of stuff.

Joe Rogan 32:40 What I was getting at is that you gotta ask a lot of these folks too, does one life equal one life? Does the life of one small rodent, like a mouse that gets run over in a tractor-

Ted Nugent 32:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:51 ... is that the same as an elk? Because if I shoot one elk, I eat that elk for a year.

Ted Nugent 32:56 Yes.

Joe Rogan 32:57 You know?

Ted Nugent 32:57 Joe, I had this conversation with my son, Rocco, who's in the other room.

Joe Rogan 33:01 How'd your son become a vegan?

Ted Nugent 33:03 Uh-

Joe Rogan 33:03 He's a very nice guy. Don't mean to pick on you, Rocco.

Ted Nugent 33:05 He's an amazing... Is he in here right now?

Joe Rogan 33:06 No. He's, uh, looking at the camera.

Ted Nugent 33:07 But yeah, I love him, man.

Joe Rogan 33:08 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 33:08 I love him so much, it's immeasurable. And he's so smart. He's such a smartass. He's such a-

Joe Rogan 33:13 Is that a rebellion thing?

Ted Nugent 33:14 ... critical thinker. I know-

Joe Rogan 33:15 'Cause his dad is Ted Dugen?

Ted Nugent 33:16 I... No. Some people jump to that conclusion, but he has a digestive condition.

Joe Rogan 33:21 Oh.

Ted Nugent 33:21 And he discovered a diet where he didn't have complications, and that diet ended up being hardcore vegan.

Joe Rogan 33:29 What is the digestive complication?

Ted Nugent 33:30 Um, he'd have to explain it, but it's a, it's a-

Joe Rogan 33:33 You know that I have a good... A buddy of mine is a hunter who got that, um, that lone star tick disease.

Ted Nugent 33:38 Oh, geez. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:39 You know that?

Ted Nugent 33:40 Yes.

Joe Rogan 33:40 The lone star tick is, people, it's, uh, something called alpha-gal.

Ted Nugent 33:43 Immune to... They're allergic to meat.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 33:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 33:45 And he's, he's a hunter and he's allergic to meat. He got it during a hunt.

Ted Nugent 33:49 What a pisser.

Joe Rogan 33:49 He had a tick burrow, burrow itself... It's, it's really kind of ironic. He had a tick burrow itself on a hunt in, into his belly button and he didn't realize it was even in there.

Ted Nugent 33:59 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 33:59 And then eventually, by the time we got it out there, he was feeling sick, he didn't feel good. He went and got diagnosed.

Ted Nugent 34:05 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 34:05 And he started, whenever he'd eat meat, he'd have headaches and he'd feel horri- awful.

Ted Nugent 34:08 Oh, man.

Joe Rogan 34:09 And he got this disease, which is, um... There's a lot of, uh, diseases that come from ticks, folks, and Lyme disease is the most notorious one.

Ted Nugent 34:17 Serious stuff.

Joe Rogan 34:17 But this, uh, one from the lone star tick, it has something called, uh, it's, like, alpha-galactose or they call it alpha-gal for short, I believe. Uh, I don't know the exact term of the, uh, the, the enzyme or the, whatever it is that it targets. But that is what is in meat and when you eat meat, it makes you really sick.

Ted Nugent 34:38 What a pisser.

Joe Rogan 34:38 And it can, it could last for a year or more. You know?

Ted Nugent 34:41 What a-

Joe Rogan 34:41 So, he's in the process of it right now. Shout out to my friend, Evan.

Ted Nugent 34:44 Yeah. A moment of education for our fellow hunters out there.

Joe Rogan 34:47 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 34:47 Examine the creature you're about to gut.

Joe Rogan 34:49 Check yourself out. Yeah.

Ted Nugent 34:49 Yes. Check for ticks, man.

Joe Rogan 34:51 Check your body for ticks-

Ted Nugent 34:52 Every day.

Joe Rogan 34:52 ... because if you can get those ticks off within the first 24 hours, you generally don't get the Lyme and you don't get, um-

Ted Nugent 34:58 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 34:58 ... the, uh, alpha-gal or-

Ted Nugent 34:59 We've had friends that have become really, really borderline paralyzed from tick bites.

Joe Rogan 35:06 Oh my God. That Lyme disease will fuck you up.

Ted Nugent 35:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:09 Lyme disease is horrendous.

Ted Nugent 35:09 Uh, my brother, Jeff, his, his young son, Patrick, is over in Switzerland or Germany right now getting treated. He's got it so bad and they don't treat it in the same way here in the States, but they-

Joe Rogan 35:19 What's the difference, how they treat it over there?

Ted Nugent 35:21 I, I have no idea. Some kind of incubation where they turn up the heat and they give him a fever of 104, 105 for prolonged time under control and try to burn it out of him.

Joe Rogan 35:32 Jesus.

Ted Nugent 35:32 Oh, it's just horrible.

Joe Rogan 35:34 'Cause generally over here, they just give you, like, a shitload of antibiotics.

Ted Nugent 35:37 Yep, yep. If you get the antibiotic... Here's a great... Here's a tick story for all you tick hunters out there 'cause if you're hunting, you're gonna run into them. If you're in the outdoors, especially spring turkey hunting-

Joe Rogan 35:46 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 35:47 ... you're sitting on the grass, waiting for a bird to come in-

Joe Rogan 35:49 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 35:49 ... you're right there in tick epicenter.

Joe Rogan 35:51 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 35:52 A friend of ours, brother, two brothers, in, uh, Jackson County, Michigan, this might have been back in the '70s, they both shot deer during the gun season and when you gut the deer, you cut down the pelvic and on the, usually on the hams, on that white hair, you can see ticks-

Joe Rogan 36:10 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 36:10 ... especially here in Texas. Well, they dismissed it 'cause there wasn't much knowledge about that back then. Well, they both found ticks on themselves and the one brother had another bronchi- bronchite, bronchial infection, so his doctor prescribed hardcore antibiotics to the one brother, but the other one didn't get the antibiotics and the other one's in a wheelchair now.

Joe Rogan 36:36 Oh.

Ted Nugent 36:36 Because it, it metastasized and just crippled him.

Joe Rogan 36:41 Yeah. My friend's son got, um, he got Bell's palsy and-

Ted Nugent 36:45 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:45 ... he was only five years old. Half his face turned paralyzed and it, you know, was fucked up for quite a while before it came back.

Ted Nugent 36:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:51 Jamie, would you do me a favor and look that up? I wanna make sure that I'm saying this right, this alpha-galactose from whatever the fuck it is. I know it's alpha-gal for short. It's from the lone star tick. Lone star tick makes you allergic to- I mean, they have it on the Mayo Clinic site. It doesn't say what alpha-gal stands for. It just says alpha-gal syndrome. Oh.There it is, alpha-gal syndrome. "Alpha-gal syndrome's loecely- recently identified type of food allergy to red meat or other products from mammals in the United States. The condition is most often caused by a lone star tick bite. The bite transmit a sugar molecule called alpha-gal..." I think it's a- it's a short- shortened version of the real name, "...into the person's body. In some people, this triggers an immune system reaction that later produces a mild to severe rea-"

Ted Nugent 37:34 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 37:34 "...allergic reaction to red meat, such as beef, pork, or lamb, or other mammal products. Lone star tick is found predominantly in the southeastern United States and most cases of alpha-gal syndrome occur in that region. The ki- the tick can also be found in the eastern and southern central United States. The ki- condition appears to be spreading further north and west," motherfuckers, "however, as deer carry the lone star tick to new parts of the United States." You know what's fucking weird? Have you heard that, um, a large percentage of deer are carrying COVID-19?

Ted Nugent 38:04 I don't believe it.

Joe Rogan 38:05 It's true.

Ted Nugent 38:05 I j- I just don't... (laughs) Based on, what, the CDC?

Joe Rogan 38:09 No, no, no. Based on-

Ted Nugent 38:10 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:10 ... they've, they've- these, uh, hunters have, um, captured or, um, taken samples. I think... W- what state was it in that they found-

Ted Nugent 38:18 Wisconsin, a bunch, and Michigan they found a bunch.

Joe Rogan 38:20 Yeah. They sa- they found, like, more than 50% carried antibodies.

Ted Nugent 38:23 Yeah, but j- just... How do you measure 50%-

Joe Rogan 38:26 But here's the thing.

Ted Nugent 38:27 ... of the deer herd? See, th-

Joe Rogan 38:27 No. No, no, no. Not 50% of the deer herd, 50% of-

Ted Nugent 38:30 Of those tested?

Joe Rogan 38:30 ... the deer that they tested. But what's interesting is... Um, this was on Rinella's podcast, which is very informative, The MeatEater Podcast, one of the best hunting podcasts there is. Um, the best. He goes back in time. The, uh, the doctor that was, uh, the scientist that was studying this. And so, they had been collecting, uh, blood samples on these deer for decades. So, they went back a decade ago and there's none. And so, this is a very recent thing-

Ted Nugent 38:53 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 38:53 ... that these deer car- and they don't know how, whether it's from the captive cervid industry, you know, people come in contact with these deer, you know, when people farm deer.

Ted Nugent 39:02 Sure.

Joe Rogan 39:02 They- they really don't know. They don't know w- why and how, but they... That's one of the things that they're saying about these viruses, like this idea of stopping the spread of this virus, there's always gonna be animal reservoirs. And th- it's- it's almost impossible to stop a virus entirely, and that the best-case scenario is the virus eventually mutates to a f- a point where it's not nearly as dangerous. And they think that that's what happened with the Spanish flu, and they also think that that's what's happening currently with, with COVID, that slowly over time it'll mutate to a point where it's not as dangerous. And they think that this new one in South Africa, even though everybody's freaking out about this new strain... What is it called? Omicron. What are they called? Omnicom? Omicron. Sounds like one of the Transformers. The, uh, they think that this new one-

Ted Nugent 39:47 Maybe it is.

Joe Rogan 39:48 ... the- all the cases have been extremely mild.

Ted Nugent 39:50 Yeah, basically the symptoms of an average cold.

Joe Rogan 39:53 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 39:53 And they're going nuts about it.

Joe Rogan 39:54 Yeah, it's crazy. They, they're-

Ted Nugent 39:55 I've been hearing from all-

Joe Rogan 39:56 ... there's an emergency in d- in New York City. They, they declared a state of emergency for l- what literally is very mild-

Ted Nugent 40:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:02 ... for all the people that have caught it so far.

Ted Nugent 40:03 New York City did that. I'm shocked to hear that they overreacted and they're following the, uh-

Joe Rogan 40:07 I think it's the whole state.

Ted Nugent 40:08 ... the narrative, uh, in New York. Yeah. God bless.

Joe Rogan 40:10 I don't know if it's New York State or the city, but I think they're both wacky.

Ted Nugent 40:12 God bless them.

Joe Rogan 40:13 The new m- the new governor's wacky. The- the mayor's-

Ted Nugent 40:15 Well, here's-

Joe Rogan 40:15 ... out of his fucking mind.

Ted Nugent 40:16 ... h- here's what I think is the most important element of that story where they're shutting down, um, uh, people coming in from Africa. First of all, uh, Biden and his sidekicks immediately attacked Trump for being racist for doing that.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Right.

Ted Nugent 40:33 And now they're doing it. I think that's an in- interesting observation, uh, th- that is very in- indicative. But I hear from a bunch of outfitters, huge gazillion-dollar industry.

Joe Rogan 40:45 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 40:45 Billions and billions of dollars, uh, that are generated in South Africa, desperately needed revenues. Some of the highest revenues brought into that country, not just South Africa but whole Southern Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique, Namibia.

Joe Rogan 41:02 And they're all shut down.

Ted Nugent 41:03 They're all shut down and all the Safari Club International, Dallas Club Safari, Houston Safari Club, all these conventions that generate billions of dollars per convention.

Joe Rogan 41:14 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 41:15 These guys can't come and put on their exhibits and can't book hunters. And a lot of people would dismiss it as a, uh, inconsequential industry. It's a consequential industry.

Joe Rogan 41:24 Well, it's- and it's not just that industry. It's also safaris where people want to go and just-

Ted Nugent 41:28 Sure.

Joe Rogan 41:28 ... see wild animals.

Ted Nugent 41:29 Sure.

Joe Rogan 41:30 And see ou-... I mean, that's a huge industry as well.

Ted Nugent 41:31 Huge. Tourism.

Joe Rogan 41:32 And what's really crazy is this, this did not c-... They don't think it came from Africa.

Ted Nugent 41:36 It was found there.

Joe Rogan 41:36 They think it was found there, and they've also found it in Brazil. They've found it in New Zealand. They found it in a few other places. And they think someone who is a vaccinated traveler, because in order to go there you gotta be vaccinated, they think a vaccinated traveler went there, like, from Europe, 'cause to travel from Europe, I believe most, most of the countries you have to be vaccinated. They think that that's how it got there, that someone picked it up somewhere else, brought it to South Africa, and then in South Africa it was identified.

Ted Nugent 42:04 Clusterfuck.

Joe Rogan 42:05 Who knows? I mean, the- it might have come from South Africa. It might not have.

Ted Nugent 42:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:09 But the point is, like, why... To shut down Africa seems incredibly cruel. Like, I, I believe you have to give people freedom. You gotta give people the opportunity-

Ted Nugent 42:20 That's radical.

Joe Rogan 42:20 ... to make their own choices.

Ted Nugent 42:22 That's radical.

Joe Rogan 42:22 And I think, you know, th- there's ways to test people. It's not hard to test. That's one of the things they did when the people landed. Uh, one of the planes landed from, uh, South Africa. I forget where it landed. But they tested 61 people on the flight, tested positive. Um, and then they-

Ted Nugent 42:39 61 of them tested?

Joe Rogan 42:39 61. And then they put those people in hotels to quarantine for- where it's over. But again, very mild symptoms. So this is, like, a, a huge overreaction in- so far. I mean-

Ted Nugent 42:50 We've seen a whole lot of that.

Joe Rogan 42:51 Goddamn. It's... I never would have thought that it would be this easy to get people to not just comply-

Ted Nugent 42:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:57 ... but to turn on their fellow Americans and to tur-... I mean, not just Americans. All over the country. Australia's probably got it worse than anybody.

Ted Nugent 43:04 But one of these hats I gave you says, "I will not comply."

Joe Rogan 43:06 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 43:06 And it's got a picture of a beautiful rifle on it. Uh, a buddy of mine came to me and had one of those hats and he asked me to sign it. And a bunch of his buddies said, "Where can I get one? I'd like one of those signed." So I made a few. And after a couple thousand, we're at, like, 50,000 of those right now, that people go to tednunger.com and get autographed I will not comply hats. But it's not just about...... gun confiscation. It's about arbitrary, punitive, capricious, nonsense-founded decrees from people who don't have the authority to give those decrees.

Joe Rogan 43:38 Right. Yeah. They shouldn't.

Ted Nugent 43:39 And that's the clusterfuck 2020.

Joe Rogan 43:40 They never have had it before. They never had the ability to tell you you can't work before and now they do, and they're using it a lot. And it's not... They're not using it in a rational way. And they're not using it with a real understanding of the consequences, what they're doing to these people that have literally had these businesses through their family-

Ted Nugent 43:57 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:57 ... for decades and decades.

Ted Nugent 43:59 Heartbreaking.

Joe Rogan 43:59 They worked so hard and now it's all gone. It's all gone. And then you look at Florida. Florida made completely different choices and Florida's fine. So, it's, it doesn't make any sense. Like, if, if you look at overall, rationally, like, if you look at the state of the country and what California did versus what Florida did, right now Florida has the lowest numbers of cases per day.

Ted Nugent 44:21 I saw this.

Joe Rogan 44:21 Florida's economy is booming. Their real estate economy is booming 'cause people are escaping all these states where you can't do anything-

Ted Nugent 44:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:28 ... and they're going to Florida.

Ted Nugent 44:29 Yeah. And Texas.

Joe Rogan 44:29 We did the first... Yes, and Texas. We did the first UFC in Florida in fucking April. So, the pandemic shut everything down in March, we did a UFC in Florida in April. I mean, we didn't have a crowd because people were still a little skittish-

Ted Nugent 44:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:42 ... but Florida, at least, we could go to restaurants. You know, you had to wear a mask, but I was like, "Fine, I'll fucking... Well, whatever." I thought it would last, like, a couple more months and then we'd be over with. But Florida was the first and they were widely criticized. But now if you look at it, I mean, except for times where there's these surges where people love to capitalize on that, those moments and say, "Look, you're killing people. You're killing people," the, if you adjust for age, Florida has done as well if not better than any state in the country when it comes to what happens with this virus. They've shown over time that if you look at how this virus works and if you look at the response to it, lockdowns don't help. They just don't.

Ted Nugent 45:21 Yeah, I've been following that.

Joe Rogan 45:22 And they, they definitely don't help these people's lives and they definitely don't help overdoses. They don't help depression. They don't help people losing, losing businesses-

Ted Nugent 45:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:31 ... that, again, they've worked for decades for. I, I firmly believe that you have to let people make their own decisions. And once we understand what this is, this is not the Black Plague, it's not killing 50% of the population, and there's all these remedies that are completely ignored that no one cares about. No one cares about vitamins and Vitamin D and the fact that at one point in time they measured, I believe it was 84% of the people in the ICU with COVID had insufficient levels of Vitamin D.

Ted Nugent 46:01 Sure.

Joe Rogan 46:01 And only 4% had sufficient levels. And if you look at the country in general, it's more than 70% of the people are deficient in Vitamin D. That's a crazy number and it's not an expensive thing to get.

Ted Nugent 46:11 Yep.

Joe Rogan 46:11 Vitamin D, if you can get it outside-

Ted Nugent 46:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:13 ... it's natural. You just lay in the sun, you get it, which is the best form of Vitamin D.

Ted Nugent 46:16 The best way, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:17 That's the free form.

Ted Nugent 46:18 Sure.

Joe Rogan 46:18 But you can buy it as a supplement.

Ted Nugent 46:20 Yep.

Joe Rogan 46:20 But meanwhile, you don't... I've never heard that once from these fucking press conferences. Not once.

Ted Nugent 46:25 You mean Fauci doesn't recommend natural, uh, intelligent-

Joe Rogan 46:28 (sighs)

Ted Nugent 46:28 ... taking care of your health before you ask for healthcare?

Joe Rogan 46:31 Well, you know what? You could say that too.

Ted Nugent 46:32 What a prick.

Joe Rogan 46:32 If they wanna talk about vaccines and they wanna talk about all these other things, say that. Say that. But also talk about these other things. Talk about quercetin, talk about zinc, talk about ionophores, talk about how important it is to take care of your health and drink a lot of water and lose weight. There was an article, a peer-reviewed study recently about what is happening with... See if you can find this. With overweight people, that overweight people, one of the things that's happening with, uh, COVID and overweight people is that their body is not producing the, um, the antibodies correctly because of the fact that they, their body's so overweight.

Ted Nugent 47:08 Sure.

Joe Rogan 47:08 That there's something happen... There's a process that goes on while you're obese that doesn't go on with a person who's lean. And that this, it's like a significant issue when it comes to your, uh, immune system and your immune system's response to COVID. And it's one of the reasons why so many people, at one point in time, 78% of the people in the ICU for COVID were obese.

Ted Nugent 47:28 Well, the Nugent family-

Joe Rogan 47:30 It's crazy.

Ted Nugent 47:30 ... is in mourning this year. We've lost some great friends and most of them were dramatically overweight.

Joe Rogan 47:36 Yeah. Here it is right here. "The results of the study showed the majority of COVID-19 patients with obesity make almost indiscernible amounts of neutralizing anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, suggesting that obese individuals may be at a higher risk to respond poorly to COVID-19 infection."

Ted Nugent 47:54 But I think overall, before we even get-

Joe Rogan 47:56 Yeah, so that's what it is.

Ted Nugent 47:56 ... into the minutiae, uh, I'd like to think that one thing we can accomplish, and you've done so in your podcast and I salute you and thank you for that, is for people to focus on their lifestyles.

Joe Rogan 48:07 Yes.

Ted Nugent 48:08 The, what-

Joe Rogan 48:08 It's everything.

Ted Nugent 48:08 ... what is Mr. Hand putting in Mr. Grocery Cart-

Joe Rogan 48:11 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 48:12 ... and can you pronounce the ingredients?

Joe Rogan 48:14 Right.

Ted Nugent 48:14 And is it really something you want your children to eat?

Joe Rogan 48:17 It's everything.

Ted Nugent 48:17 There is a pandemic of blubber in this country-

Joe Rogan 48:20 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 48:20 ... that is just inexcusable. If it says diet or sugar-free, don't buy it.

Joe Rogan 48:26 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 48:27 Best thing you can do is go hunting and have a garden. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 48:30 Yeah. Drink water. It's like-

Ted Nugent 48:32 And drink a lot of water.

Joe Rogan 48:33 It's literally the best thing you can do. Yeah.

Ted Nugent 48:34 And get the sugar and the carbs out of-

Joe Rogan 48:36 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Ted Nugent 48:36 ... your lifestyle.

Joe Rogan 48:37 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 48:37 I mean, my wife, Shamane, my son, Rocco, my son... Uh, the whole Nugent family, hardcore, intelligent, caring, conscientious, taking care of sacred temple. That's another term. I think we talked about it on our first podcast together, that when I was growing up, this was known as the sacred temple.

Joe Rogan 48:55 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 48:55 When I use that term to anybody under 50, they don't have the faintest idea what I'm talking about. Just like the term tooth, fang, and claw. That nature isn't cuddly and cute and it's not Bambi, it's savagery. It's, it's hardcore blood and guts.

Joe Rogan 49:10 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 49:10 And that's beautiful in its own way, but people have to start paying attention to what Mr. Hand is putting into Mr. Mouth.

Joe Rogan 49:19 Yep.

Ted Nugent 49:19 And here's another one, Joe. The chemical warfare that is intentionally waged upon our families with the air fresheners, the chemicals, the downy fabric softeners, the-

Joe Rogan 49:30 Those are bad?

Ted Nugent 49:31 ... the scented detergent-

Joe Rogan 49:32 But they smell so good. Wait a minute.

Ted Nugent 49:33 The... Don't smell good. It smells-

Joe Rogan 49:35 But it's good.

Ted Nugent 49:35 It smells like a French whore on a bad day.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Wait a minute.

Ted Nugent 49:38 That's some poison shit.... Chamaine and I, if you-

Joe Rogan 49:41 This smells good.

Ted Nugent 49:42 ... if you open... Somebody's brainwashed you.

Joe Rogan 49:44 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 49:45 If you, if you open the door to your house, and we've had this happen, where our friends invite us to these beautiful homes and they open the door to welcome us in, we can smell the fabric softener. We can smell the plug-in, heated chemical air fresheners.

Joe Rogan 50:00 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 50:00 It's, it's just horrible. It can't be good for you. More chemicals is not better than less chemicals.

Joe Rogan 50:07 Yeah, I don't think that tho- those are good for you. Flowers are good for you. Should have flowers.

Ted Nugent 50:10 Yeah, flowers. I like-

Joe Rogan 50:11 They smell good.

Ted Nugent 50:11 ... I like, I like dishes full of dirt. That's what I like.

Joe Rogan 50:14 (laughs) Do you wear deodorant?

Ted Nugent 50:17 I do wear deodorant, all natural stuff from a, uh, uh, an organic store.

Joe Rogan 50:22 What is all natural deodorant?

Ted Nugent 50:23 No chemicals.

Joe Rogan 50:23 Does that shit work? Because, uh, I got all this iced up.

Ted Nugent 50:25 Yeah, mine work. I smell, I smell good.

Joe Rogan 50:27 Do you?

Ted Nugent 50:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:28 Okay.

Ted Nugent 50:28 Give me a good whiff before we get outta here.

Joe Rogan 50:30 I will. I'm gonna hug you and I'm gonna give you a whiff.

Ted Nugent 50:31 No, I, I keep all chemicals out of my life.

Joe Rogan 50:34 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 50:34 Now, do, let, let me think what I have that's probably not good. I have this thing called ginger beer that's got some sugar in it. I like that. But not a lot, you know? In moderation.

Joe Rogan 50:43 Right.

Ted Nugent 50:44 But mostly our life is organic vegetables and fruits and venison.

Joe Rogan 50:48 Well, again, like, if you get to be your age and you have the amount of energy that you have, you're doing something right, obviously.

Ted Nugent 50:54 Clean and sober-

Joe Rogan 50:55 You know?

Ted Nugent 50:55 ... for 73 years is a good start.

Joe Rogan 50:57 That's a good start.

Ted Nugent 50:58 That's right.

Joe Rogan 50:58 Yeah. Do you, do you, do you drink a little wine every now and then?

Ted Nugent 51:00 I do drink some good red wine.

Joe Rogan 51:02 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 51:02 And Chamaine chooses and picks my wine because I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 51:05 You just don't get blasted.

Ted Nugent 51:07 I, I, I drink, I, I like a this much.

Joe Rogan 51:09 Right. You can still stay sober for a little bit.

Ted Nugent 51:10 And that's fine. Everybody at the Thanksgiving dinner table, they usually drink beer and wine and they have a couple of high balls, whatever that is. Um, but I don't. I can't stand the taste of liquor. I like a good sweet wine, but in a, a couple drinks.

Joe Rogan 51:23 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 51:23 And a good cigar around a campfire-

Joe Rogan 51:25 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 51:25 ... after we've shot our machine guns. Um, there are certain procedures that seem to be good for the psyche and the spirit.

Joe Rogan 51:31 Yeah, I, I enjoy a good cigar as well. I, I, and I like a, a nice glass of wine. But I do like to get drunk occasionally.

Ted Nugent 51:37 You do. (laughs) A lot of my friends do too.

Joe Rogan 51:38 I, but you know what?

Ted Nugent 51:39 I just, but see-

Joe Rogan 51:40 I make, I take countermeasures though.

Ted Nugent 51:41 But see, I can, I can accomplish all things getting drunk without getting drunk. If you want crazy and stupid and out of control, all I have to do is go crazy, stupid, and out of control. I don't need-

Joe Rogan 51:51 I'm sure.

Ted Nugent 51:51 ... I don't need any impetus. I don't need any outside influences. The great Apache chief said, "God has already given you everything you need." And I believe that wildness, uninhibited-ness, absolute gonzo misbehavior, whatever you need to do is already in here. You just need to know how to unleash it. For example, recently they, I do all these interviews, I have a new record coming out called Detroit Muscle, which is, I sent you a bunch that-

Joe Rogan 52:20 How many records have you had?

Ted Nugent 52:22 40 million I've sold, but I think 20 some, 30 albums maybe.

Joe Rogan 52:27 That's pretty incredible.

Ted Nugent 52:28 Yeah. I started in '67. Not when I was 67.

Joe Rogan 52:31 God, damn.

Ted Nugent 52:31 1967.

Joe Rogan 52:32 Do you know how many fighters come out to Stranglehold, by the way?

Ted Nugent 52:34 Of course I do. Well, what a lick. Shall I?

Joe Rogan 52:36 Oh, shit. Yeah, please do.

Ted Nugent 52:37 I mean-

Joe Rogan 52:38 There's so many fighters come out to that song.

Ted Nugent 52:40 And, and-

Joe Rogan 52:40 Because, like, for a jujitsu guy, that is the song.

Ted Nugent 52:42 And military guys, military guys going into battle. (Stranglehold by Bo Diddley plays)

Joe Rogan 53:10 Hit me.

Ted Nugent 53:22 Look, look at this shit. Look at this shit.

Joe Rogan 53:24 Look at your goosebumps. Those are real. Look at that hair standing up on end.

Ted Nugent 53:27 (laughs) Shit.

Joe Rogan 53:27 It really is happening.

Ted Nugent 53:28 After 1,000 years of that shit?

Joe Rogan 53:30 1000 years and you still get fired up.

Ted Nugent 53:32 (laughs) What a great lick though. That-

Joe Rogan 53:33 It's a great fucking song.

Ted Nugent 53:34 ... that all comes from Bo Diddley. When you first get a guitar, when I was, like, seven years old, of course, who doesn't feel... (Stranglehold by Bo Diddley plays) That is such a natural rhythm.

Joe Rogan 54:00 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 54:00 I was just on the phone with Billy Gibbons and he said that, uh, uh, a fetus at conception, if that Bo Diddley lick is happening-

Joe Rogan 54:09 Start moving his little toes?

Ted Nugent 54:09 ... it will dance.

Joe Rogan 54:10 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 54:11 So, my point is, is that this right hand, if I jacked off, I'd pull my dick clean off-

Joe Rogan 54:15 Jesus.

Ted Nugent 54:15 ... because this right hand from-

Joe Rogan 54:16 You jack off with your left hand?

Ted Nugent 54:18 But, no (laughs) I, I... Never mind.

Joe Rogan 54:20 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 54:21 I, I, I sign so many autographs and all these hats every day, and all these flags, and I play my guitar every day, and I started with the, his god, Bo Diddley. (Stranglehold by Bo Diddley plays) You hear all the ... Well, what is ... That whole...

Joe Rogan 54:51 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Ted Nugent 54:51 And I learned that, not just Bo Diddley, but a guy named Jimmy McCarty. Know the name.

Joe Rogan 54:59 Jimmy McCarty.

Ted Nugent 55:00 Jimmy McCarty. 1960, my band The Lords opened up for Billie Lee and the Rivieras, Martha and the Vandellas, and Gene Pitney, who had a hit song called, um, Town Without Pity. This is history. So, I opened up, I was 12, going on 12. My band The Lords opened up, Billie Lee and the Rivieras-

Joe Rogan 55:20 You were 12 when you were-

Ted Nugent 55:21 Something like that.

Joe Rogan 55:22 ... opening up for them?

Ted Nugent 55:22 Yeah, I, when I was 14, I opened up for The Supremes-

Joe Rogan 55:26 What?

Ted Nugent 55:26 ... and the Bo Brumles at Cobo Hall because my band The Lords won the Michigan Battle of the Bands because we were bad motherfuckers for white boys, I'm telling you.

Joe Rogan 55:34 14?

Ted Nugent 55:34 Yes, it was awesome. So, anyhow, going back to Walled Lake Casino, uh, Novi, Michigan. Walled Lake, Michigan.Billy Lee and the Rivieras, it was Billy Levis destroyed 10 tambourines per song. Every song had three forehead vein popping crescendos. Johnny Banijek, 15 years old on Ludwig drums, played a ... (drumming sounds) Nobody played bass drums like that. And there's this kid, Throdden, like some kind of industrial beast. And then Earl Elliot on a Rickenbacker bass through a, uh, an Ampeg B15. Uh, Joe Kubrick on Gibson 335 Cherry through a Fender Twin amp, and this long-legged motherfucker on a Gibson Birdland and a Fender Twin Reverb, Jimmy McCarty, and they started a song called Jenny Take A Ride. I was already into the Bo Diddley "chugga chugga chugga" stuff, but when he started Jenny Take A Ride, only I can do this. (strums guitar) Only I can replicate what Jimmy did that night and it went like this. (instrumental music plays) Get it.

Narrator 57:01 (singing) Oh, C. C.C. Rider. Come on C baby. What you have done now. Oh, C. C.C. Rider. Come on C baby. What you have done now. Ah, you made me love you. Now, now, now you're mad as ...

Ted Nugent 57:23 Watch this right hand.

Narrator 57:25 (singing) Where I'm going.

Ted Nugent 57:30 Get the fuck outta here.

Joe Rogan 57:32 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 57:32 Do you feel that?

Joe Rogan 57:33 Yes. Yes.

Ted Nugent 57:34 What the fuck-

Joe Rogan 57:35 Yes.

Ted Nugent 57:35 ... kind of music is that?

Joe Rogan 57:36 It's amazing music.

Ted Nugent 57:37 So I saw this Birdland (drumming sounds) . Nobody played a Birdland. It's a jazz guitar. It's made for playing things like ... (strums guitar) Which is cool. Great tone, huh?

Joe Rogan 58:11 Right.

Ted Nugent 58:12 (instrumental music plays) Great rich bell kind of tone, but the, but when Jimmy played it, that (instrumental music plays) Fuck!

Joe Rogan 58:35 Wow.

Ted Nugent 58:36 So that imprinted. Gibson Birdland, Fender Twin. Gibson Birdland, Fender Twin. Right hand Bo Diddley on steer. Holy fuck! So eventually I had to get a Gibson Birdland. And the way I play comes from the Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry. And if you Chuck Berry, uh, I mean the whole ... (instrumental music plays) Now Chuck didn't play it like that because I, my right hand was, was playing all the counter rhythms.

Joe Rogan 59:21 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 59:22 And so that's where the whole ... (instrumental music plays)

Joe Rogan 59:28 Catscratch fever.

Ted Nugent 59:33 The whole c- c- c- c- c- ... The new record's got a song called Detroit Muscle. T- The, I don't write songs, I ejaculate them. I just pick up my guitar and go ... (instrumental music plays) The whole c- c- c- c- c- c-

Joe Rogan 1:00:02 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:00:03 It's, it's just made me play so Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley, Little Richard, Jimmy McCarty. The Billy Lee and the Rivieras, by the way changed their name years later to Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels. I talked to Mitch on Thanksgiving. I still keep in touch with these fucking guys 60 years later.

Joe Rogan 1:00:19 Wow.

Ted Nugent 1:00:20 So the new record is the continuation of, you, you used the word primal. Primal is my life, whether it's with a sharp stick or a guitar or chainsaw. Primal is pure, and I think that field to table is a return to primal. I think you discovering that you can either go vegan or a hunter, you made the primal decision. I think primal is the answer to every problem mankind has subjected themselves to. Getting back to tooth, fang and claw, the earth, accountability. Your step, did the step that you take benefit the world or did it harm the world? Both literally and figuratively. So that's how I've conducted my life and the new record, (laughs) it's just, it's a fucking orgy of killer songs, and my drummer, Jason Hartless, and bass player, Greg Smith, are what every guitar player dreams to have at their side. The best musicians you've ever heard.

Joe Rogan 1:01:24 That's awesome. You know, it, I don't play music. I don't have any musical talent. I've never studied it. But I'm always fascinated by the fact that, especially with guitar, that I can hear a few licks and I'm pretty sure I could guess who's playing.

Ted Nugent 1:01:38 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:39 You know, like Gary Clark Jr., for example.

Ted Nugent 1:01:41 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 He, he has a very specific sound.

Ted Nugent 1:01:44 Here's his tone. Here's his tone here. (plays guitar) You got that deep-

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:02:02 ... bass, bass tone.

Joe Rogan 1:02:03 Yeah. You know, Steve Ray Vaughan-

Ted Nugent 1:02:05 Bluesy.

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 ... obviously, but Jimi Hendrix particularly.

Ted Nugent 1:02:07 Get out of here.

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 You know what I mean? That, That guy. He... Was he the first that really had his own, like, legitimate distinctive sound?

Ted Nugent 1:02:16 (plays guitar) << Jimmy, you're so fine to me >> What the fuck?

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Did you ever work with him?

Ted Nugent 1:02:34 I jammed with Jimi.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Wow.

Ted Nugent 1:02:36 I was in a little room with him.

Joe Rogan 1:02:38 Wow.

Ted Nugent 1:02:38 It's unnatural. I've... Yeah, he was the guy that took what Chuck invented. Chuck had the distortion. He played a Gibson 335. He played a Byrdland on his first record. It was a, it was a, it was the prototype Byrdland, 1955, I think. Um, but he got a little bit more distorted than the typical country, you know... (plays guitar)

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Right.

Ted Nugent 1:03:04 You know that... (plays guitar) .

Joe Rogan 1:03:11 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:03:11 But he took it to...

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Like Voodoo Child sounds. Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:03:16 And then Jimi, of course, just turned everything... I, I was invited... Fuck. Steve, Steve Paul had a club in New York called The Scene, Steve Paul's Scene. Everybody ja- jammed with Johnny Winner, and Edgar Winter, and Rick Derringer, and Jimmy McCarty, and Jimi Hendrix, an- and ju- just every... Ste- Steve Winwood. We'd just go there and we'd just jam at 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. And I was invited by, uh, Steven Greene, I hope I got all this right, at a... He was gonna start a club and it was gonna be the debut of a new band called, um, Sly & The Family Stone, their first East Coast performance. And the Amboy Dukes were in New York City recording Journey to the Center of the Mind. Great song. (plays guitar) That's that right hand again. Just this young kid playing all these illegal notes. And so we were invited down 'cause there was gonna be a Sly & The Family Stone debut when we were on, uh, Mainstream Records. I don't know how they invited us. But my Journey to the Center of the Mind solo was really quite outrageous for back then because it was so melodic but it was, me know, feeding back. (plays guitar) << Leave your cares behind. Come with us and find. The pleasures of a journey to the center of the mind. Come along if you can >> Just a great song for a bunch of kids. So we were invited and we're in there and I... They told me to bring my Byrdland because I was the only guy that played a Byrdland.

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 What's the difference?

Ted Nugent 1:05:31 Well, it's hollow body, it's hand-carved, arch top made of North American spruce so it has a... Even without an amplifier it's got that... (plays guitar)

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 If you don't mind indulging me like w- when, when, like, Robert Johnson was playing, what was he playing?

Ted Nugent 1:05:55 He pl- well, he, he... Robert Johnson started with an acoustic guitar and they played such a nasty, noisy... (plays guitar)

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 You know, I tried to, uh...

Ted Nugent 1:06:14 You can hear more string than electronics.

Joe Rogan 1:06:17 When I listen to his music, you know, 'cause, uh, there's, you know, there's always the legend of him selling his soul.

Ted Nugent 1:06:22 You want primal.

Joe Rogan 1:06:23 Yeah. So primal.

Ted Nugent 1:06:24 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 But also, um, really new, right? There wasn't a lot of that music around before him.

Ted Nugent 1:06:31 Well, that's what... You know, let's talk... I'll tell you why. I'm here to help. So you want emotional, sincere, beckoning, defiant, raw primal?

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:06:51 You're gonna have to get it from a guy who was enslaved because his spirit has been shackled and his pain is unprecedented. They were controlled by other men which is so obscene, so wrong. They knew it was wrong but they couldn't break free. So when they sang, it was th- the ultimate heartbreak, anger, fear, yet craving to be free. And so you hear it in their, in their angst and the, the pulse of their lyrics and the, the, the dirt. Literally (laughs) f- and figurative. They just come out of the cotton fields and they gonna play music of what they're feeling. So it was so sincere, so definitively authoritative from a painful position. Blues, gospel and then-... the Emancipation Proclamation, I give you Little Richard. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 Right.

Ted Nugent 1:07:59 You're talking about a defiant motherfucker-

Joe Rogan 1:08:02 Bursts out of that.

Ted Nugent 1:08:02 ... yeah, explosion. You c-

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:08:04 ... you can't manufacture that. It has to come from the guts. It has to come from the horror of slavery to the unprecedented explosion of freedom. And I'm gonna sing about fucking your daughter, Long Tall Sally-

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 1:08:19 ... and I'm gonna, I'm gonna wear a pompadour, and I'm gonna put mascara on and-

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:08:24 ... fuck you, motherfu-

Joe Rogan 1:08:26 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:08:26 Beautiful!

Joe Rogan 1:08:27 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:08:28 And Chuck Berry, I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 Look at him, man.

Ted Nugent 1:08:29 ... I mean, get out of here.

Joe Rogan 1:08:30 Look at Little Richard.

Ted Nugent 1:08:31 That's my hero.

Joe Rogan 1:08:32 My God, he was amazing.

Ted Nugent 1:08:33 Long Tall Sally! Man down!

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 Is he still alive? Is he still alive?

Ted Nugent 1:08:37 N- is he still... I, I think so.

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 I think he's alive.

Ted Nugent 1:08:41 I think he's alive.

Joe Rogan 1:08:42 I hope he's alive.

Ted Nugent 1:08:42 I want him to be alive.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 I want him to be alive too.

Ted Nugent 1:08:44 So anyhow, so that music touches-

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 No. 2- 2020, man. He died last year. Motherfucker.

Ted Nugent 1:08:49 So that-

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 Yeah. I-

Ted Nugent 1:08:50 I didn't hear a peep out of that.

Joe Rogan 1:08:52 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:08:52 He died last year?

Joe Rogan 1:08:54 May 9th. Wow. (guitar music plays) My favorite is Tutti Frutti. Used to be called Tutti Frutti, Good Booty.

Ted Nugent 1:09:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 And they made him change it. (laughs)

Ted Nugent 1:09:05 And he... He made hit records out of Fuck You White Man.

Joe Rogan 1:09:09 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 1:09:10 << I want a bat >> So my point is, you can't manufacture it. You can't design that.

Joe Rogan 1:09:14 Right.

Ted Nugent 1:09:14 There's no formula for that. You just gotta come from your f- your soul.

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 And the... You know, it's, it's... The, the horrible truth of that (guitar music plays) kind of art is that it comes from that pain, and that you can't create it anywhere else. And it's almost like that's the only benefit of that pain, is that it produces this spectacular art.

Ted Nugent 1:09:34 And, and you had to let it out some way.

Joe Rogan 1:09:36 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:09:36 And the music did that, and then-

Joe Rogan 1:09:38 But you don't get that from a good childhood, right?

Ted Nugent 1:09:41 You know, I don't know. I mean, uh, there's probably some-

Joe Rogan 1:09:44 I don't think you get that. You probably said, get something great. You can get something great, but you won't get that great.

Ted Nugent 1:09:49 I think-

Joe Rogan 1:09:49 That... It's a different kind of great, right?

Ted Nugent 1:09:51 They're not... Not that authentic.

Joe Rogan 1:09:52 Right.

Ted Nugent 1:09:53 Not that raw, um... There's a believability factor to that Black influence. I had a tour years ago called Black Power 'cause every night on stage since the '50s, I've met, I've celebrated, and thanked Chuck Berry and Bo Diddley and Little Richard and James Brown and Wilson Pickett and Motown Funk Brothers. I mean, there is no music that means anything that wasn't inspired by a Black guy. Name me music that-

Joe Rogan 1:10:14 Right.

Ted Nugent 1:10:14 ... that moves you that doesn't have a Black history.

Joe Rogan 1:10:17 Like how much of an impact did Hendrix have on guitar players in this country when he came around?

Ted Nugent 1:10:21 Huge.

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 What, what was it like? 'Cause you were there, and you said you, you jammed with him, but what... You know, I'm a giant Hendrix fan.

Ted Nugent 1:10:27 Monster.

Joe Rogan 1:10:27 And when I was a kid, I remember h- hearing Voodoo Child for the first time, just thinking like, "How is this guy doing that?"

Ted Nugent 1:10:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:35 Like, "How is he making those noises?"

Ted Nugent 1:10:36 Especially left-handed, upside down. (laughs) Well, geez, there's so much I could tell you. So yes, when Les Paul electrified it about four- 1945, before that, it was a background strumming instrument, um, folk music, and background-

Joe Rogan 1:10:55 So it was '45 is when it changed?

Ted Nugent 1:10:57 I think 1945 is when Les Paul electrified it, and all of a sudden, had this, this fiery sound, this electric sound.

Joe Rogan 1:11:05 When did they first start recording? Like when... What was the first-

Ted Nugent 1:11:08 Me or him?

Joe Rogan 1:11:08 No, anyone.

Ted Nugent 1:11:09 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:11:10 Like what was the first, like-

Ted Nugent 1:11:10 ... Les Paul also invented a lot of the recording procedures. I mean, the double-tracking, the multi-tracking, the echo stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:11:16 'Cause I, I think we, we've gone over this before. We tried to figure it out. There's like a really, really old recording of someone singing, and it sounds fucking terrible.

Ted Nugent 1:11:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:24 But, um, there, there... I mean, I want to say it was the 1700s. Was that what... Somewhere around that time?

Ted Nugent 1:11:30 Seriously?

Joe Rogan 1:11:31 I think so.

Ted Nugent 1:11:32 What'd they record it on, Patrice Reed's or something?

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 1760. 1860. 1860. Okay, so 1860 was the first recording. And so wasn't even 100 years later, you have Hendrix, or 100 years later.

Ted Nugent 1:11:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:45 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:11:45 Well, musicians-

Joe Rogan 1:11:45 100 plus actually, right?

Ted Nugent 1:11:46 ... we're a, we're a crazy bunch and you want to talk about the ultimate application of critical thinking? Take, take the foundation of electric guitar, honky-tonk. Actually, it's in the key of F, but... (guitar music plays) Well, okay. << Let's spend the night together. Now I need you more >> That's all honky-tonk.

Joe Rogan 1:12:27 Right.

Ted Nugent 1:12:32 That's all honky-tonk.

Joe Rogan 1:12:33 I saw the Stones last week.

Ted Nugent 1:12:35 Great.

Joe Rogan 1:12:35 Fuck.

Ted Nugent 1:12:36 What about Mick Jagger? What species-

Joe Rogan 1:12:37 Fuck.

Ted Nugent 1:12:37 What species is that?

Joe Rogan 1:12:39 78 years old-

Ted Nugent 1:12:40 I knew it!

Joe Rogan 1:12:40 ... dancing around, singing.

Ted Nugent 1:12:42 That's all I needed to know.

Joe Rogan 1:12:43 Fucking amazing.

Ted Nugent 1:12:44 People go, people go, "How long are you gonna be doing this?" "Mick Jagger will let us know."

Joe Rogan 1:12:49 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 1:12:49 (laughs) He's a bad motherfucker.

Joe Rogan 1:12:51 He's fucking still so ac-... They put on an hour and a half show-

Ted Nugent 1:12:54 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:12:54 ... at Circuit of the Americas in Austin, so it's this enormous racetrack, and they have a huge amphitheater out there. It's an incredible place, the Circuit of the Americas. And they have these fucking gigantic screens, and when he was on stage, I swear to God, it felt like I was in a dream. I didn't... It didn't feel real.

Ted Nugent 1:13:10 Stinking motherfucker, huh?

Joe Rogan 1:13:12 To watch him, to watch him dance around and fucking singing. You know, they had to take Brown Sugar out of their playlist.

Ted Nugent 1:13:17 I... 'Cause see-

Joe Rogan 1:13:19 Isn't that crazy?

Ted Nugent 1:13:20 ... that's so wrong.

Joe Rogan 1:13:20 That's so wrong.

Ted Nugent 1:13:21 You're, you're not allowed to celebrate Black girls now?

Joe Rogan 1:13:24 Right. How crazy is that?

Ted Nugent 1:13:25 How crazy is that?

Joe Rogan 1:13:26 And the girl who was the, the inspiration for that song was hugely upset by it. She was like, "It's an amazing part of rock and roll."

Ted Nugent 1:13:32 I would think so. So was Aunt Jemima when she was banned from the shelter.

Joe Rogan 1:13:34 I don't think Aunt Jemima is a real person.

Ted Nugent 1:13:36 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:13:37 But Brown Sugar is a great fucking song, man.

Ted Nugent 1:13:39 But then again, that's just the same mentality.

Joe Rogan 1:13:40 No one's protesting that song. They just didn't want to deal with it. It's like the, the woke, anti-racism stuff-

Ted Nugent 1:13:46 That kind of lets me down because the Stones were a defiant bunch, and I'd like-

Joe Rogan 1:13:48 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:13:48 ... to think that they would retain that, but-

Joe Rogan 1:13:50 I think they just don't want any hate at this... I mean, they're in the finish line, right?

Ted Nugent 1:13:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:54 They're at the home stretch.

Ted Nugent 1:13:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:55 And... But goddamn, the show was good. I'll bet. When they played Gimme Shelter, holy fuck.

Ted Nugent 1:13:59 Monster.

Joe Rogan 1:14:00 Holy fuck. (guitar music plays) It was incredible.

Ted Nugent 1:14:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:03 Keith Richards can fucking still wail.

Ted Nugent 1:14:05 He's a, he's the guy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:14:06 Wail.

Ted Nugent 1:14:06 He ... I spent two nights with Keith Richards-

Joe Rogan 1:14:09 Oof.

Ted Nugent 1:14:09 ... at Studio 54 in New York City in 1978.

Joe Rogan 1:14:12 Wow.

Ted Nugent 1:14:12 For, for ... 'Cause I'm, I'm militantly anti-substance abuse and he's militantly pro-substance abuse. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:14:18 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 1:14:18 And we, we had such a good time together.

Joe Rogan 1:14:22 Oh, man.

Ted Nugent 1:14:22 It was just funny 'cause he was a hero of mine. I mean, all of my songs came from Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley, but remember the first Stones album? The British Invasion-

Joe Rogan 1:14:31 Mm-hmm.

Ted Nugent 1:14:31 ... Stones album? Beatles, Kinks, The Yardbirds? They all had Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry, and Motown songs.

Joe Rogan 1:14:38 Mm.

Ted Nugent 1:14:39 Because that's what I was raised on, so I was playing that music before the British Invasion.

Joe Rogan 1:14:43 Wow.

Ted Nugent 1:14:43 And so when the British guys did it, and they did it such a good job 'cause they so revered those artists, and they, they, they presented the Chuck Berry songs ... Oh, Carol. I mean, ju- just Keith Richards. (guitar music) See? Oh, Carol. Don't ever steal your heart away. Well, I got to learn to dance if it takes me all night and day. Well, come into my machine so we can cruise on out. Mm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:19 Mm.

Ted Nugent 1:15:19 What Keith Richards did to the Chuck Berry songs was so respectful, but, I don't know, not more youthful. You can't be more youthful than Chuck Berry, but-

Joe Rogan 1:15:29 Just different.

Ted Nugent 1:15:30 ... something about their delivery.

Joe Rogan 1:15:30 Just put a different spin on it.

Ted Nugent 1:15:32 Yeah, with, with Jagger's over-exaggerated, bluesy vocal approach-

Joe Rogan 1:15:37 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:15:37 ... and all those great players, but that was so influential. So take that influence, which was a bombardment, unprecedented, and then take it all the way to Jimi Hendrix, and then the next chapter of guitar sucker-punching was Eddie Van Halen.

Joe Rogan 1:15:53 Mm.

Ted Nugent 1:15:53 So, and I- I've got to jam with all these guys. I got to jam ... You name the best guitars, I've jammed with all of them. And to sit there ... Now, you know, you don't sit there. You kind of dance there, and you're paying attention to what they express and how they, how they unleash these note volleys and, and phrases and musical authority. It ch- ... It ch- ... It, it settles in your psyche. It settles in your soul, and it's like an arsenal of licks that you can do in your own way, but you're not afraid to do it the way they did it. And if you have a certain touch of your own, then it comes off as your signature style.

Joe Rogan 1:16:30 That's what's always so fascinating to me, is that out of all the notes that have been played, all the songs that have been written and sang and, and recorded, that there's still new ways to make a guitar wail.

Ted Nugent 1:16:40 Joe, you see this landscape?

Joe Rogan 1:16:43 Yes.

Ted Nugent 1:16:43 It looks, it looks restrictive, doesn't it?

Joe Rogan 1:16:46 Right.

Ted Nugent 1:16:46 It looks like it's only that long-

Joe Rogan 1:16:48 Right, it's only two feet long.

Ted Nugent 1:16:48 ... and that many frets. Lewis and Clark wouldn't know where to send Sacagawea on my guitar neck.

Joe Rogan 1:16:55 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 1:16:56 I got a song on the new record called Driving Blind that goes ... (guitar music) There I was, minding my own business. Kinda caught off guard. I wrote the book on sexual healing. I swear to God. Well, I think I found the answer. To get me peace of mind. Don't flirt with disaster. And don't get caught driving blind. Now, you know, it's got a groove.

Joe Rogan 1:17:59 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:17:59 It sounds like something you've heard before, but you never have.

Joe Rogan 1:18:02 Where does Clapton fit into it for you?

Ted Nugent 1:18:04 Monster. Monster. I mean the whole ... I mean, I can do ... (guitar music) That whole ...

Joe Rogan 1:18:30 Can you do Layla?

Ted Nugent 1:18:32 I, I don't know Layla.

Joe Rogan 1:18:33 Damn.

Ted Nugent 1:18:34 But, but he's, he is a, uh ... Yeah, The Beast.

Joe Rogan 1:18:38 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:18:38 I mean, Billy Gibbons, The Beast.

Joe Rogan 1:18:40 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:18:40 I mean, now Joe Bonamassa Beast. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:18:43 Who's Joe Bonama-

Ted Nugent 1:18:44 Joe Perry.

Joe Rogan 1:18:45 Who's, who's Joe Bonamassa?

Ted Nugent 1:18:45 Joe Bonamassa is a super-duper blues guitar player that played Albert Hall and got Eric Clapton to join him on stage.

Joe Rogan 1:18:53 Ah.

Ted Nugent 1:18:54 Look into Joe Bonamassa. He's got ... He's on tour all the time. He's a great guitar player. Um, he's, he's no Hendrix and he's no Billy Gibbons. Even my guitar player, Derek St. Holmes for years, one of the greatest guitar players in the world, and you won't hear his name mentioned, but he's better than most. So there's li- ... Ricky Medlocke with Leonard Skinner, mons- ... My guitar player in The Damn Yankees, Tommy Shaw, these are unbelievable musical forces, just genius, soulful, grinding, authoritative guitar statements. But you won't hear their name 'cause there's so many of them out there.

Joe Rogan 1:19:28 There is so many, and there's more coming every day.

Ted Nugent 1:19:30 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:19:30 There's kids listening to this right now-

Ted Nugent 1:19:32 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:19:32 ... just picking up a guitar for the first time.

Ted Nugent 1:19:34 Yep. Well, learn Bo Diddley and Chuck Berry. If you can't go ... (guitar music) And if you can't go ... (guitar music) And if you really want to go someplace, try to do ... (guitar music)

Joe Rogan 1:20:01 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 1:20:02 What a great lick. I loved playing that lick.

Joe Rogan 1:20:04 Great fucking lick.

Narrator 1:20:05 (laughs)

Ted Nugent 1:20:05 That's a great fucking lick. That's a great... That's in my workout playlist. Here I come again now, baby, like a dog in heat.

Joe Rogan 1:20:12 Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:20:12 You can tell it's me by the clamor, motherfucker. I'd like to tear up the street. I've been smoking for so long, you know I'm here to stay. I got you in a stranglehold, bitch. Get the fuck out of my way. What a love song.

Joe Rogan 1:20:23 It's great song.

Ted Nugent 1:20:24 It's great song.

Joe Rogan 1:20:24 Great song. It's a great song.

Ted Nugent 1:20:24 The road I cruise is a bitch now. You know you can't turn me 'round. If a house gets in my way, I'll burn the motherfucker down. Remember the night that you left me, you put me in my place. Got you in a stranglehold, motherfucker, and I crushed your fucking face. Fuck you. Well, it's a love song.

Joe Rogan 1:20:40 Um-

Ted Nugent 1:20:41 Do you feel the love? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:20:41 I don't, but I get it.

Ted Nugent 1:20:43 It's about standing up for what you believe.

Joe Rogan 1:20:45 I do get it. Yeah.

Ted Nugent 1:20:45 Here's a great story. You're not gonna believe this. So, I sign with Epic Records, 1974. Tom Werman, God bless him, Tony Reale, the engineer. Derek St. Holmes, monster force. Rob Grange on bass, unbelievable. Cliff Davies, God rest his soul, on drums. I got this rock & roll band from hell. We're playing all over the country 300 nights a year, cultivating this musical relationship with music lovers that love the dynamic and the crescendos and the experimental and the outrageous uncharted territory musical mayhem, but mostly the intensity of a Detroit piss and vinegar band, which I define. And so they signed me 'cause they liked the songs. We got Stranglehold and Storm Troopin'. Just great licks, great song. Motor City Madhouse, just all these great songs. Derek's got this ungodly voice. So we get in the studio and we're setting up equipment, and they had heard Stranglehold, but they called a meeting, and I didn't know why