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Joe Rogan Experience #1742 - Jimmy Corsetti

Jimmy Corsetti is the independent researcher behind "Bright Insight": a YouTube channel exploring ancient mysteries and lost civilizations.

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  1. 0:00 – 1:52

    Jimmy Corsetti’s path from corporate fraud investigator to Bright Insight creator

    1. NA

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (heavy rock music) Hello, Joe.

    3. JC

      Hello, Joe Rogan.

    4. JR

      Nice to meet you in person. I've watched many, many of your videos on YouTube, and I really, really enjoy them. We sh-

    5. JC

      Tha- that's quite flattering.

    6. JR

      Well, we share a common interest, uh, this, uh, w- this fascination with ancient civilizations and, and the mysteries that kind of ... The first video I think I saw of you was, um, this video of these concentric circles in Africa that are remarkably similar to descriptions of Atlantis.

    7. JC

      The Richat Structure.

    8. JR

      Yeah. And then I started reading up on it, and I'm like, "This is pretty wild." And then I got into your whole YouTube page, which is called Bright Insight, and, uh, it's really excellent. So first, before we can get it started, how did you get interested in this subject?

    9. JC

      Well, going back to the sixth grade, that was when I fell in love with the Egyptians.

    10. JR

      Get this right up there. Yeah.

    11. JC

      Oh, yeah. Bring that sucker up to you?

    12. JR

      There you go.

    13. JC

      How's that sound?

    14. JR

      Perfect.

    15. JC

      I've always had a fascination for the ancients. I ... In growing up in school, most topics bored the hell out of me. In math, I'd be like counting the ceiling tiles more than I'd be counting numbers. And ... But something like that, you know, the ancients, science, history, I always thought was fun. Um, but I never would've thought that I would grow up to find ... make a career out of it. Like, my story's pretty unique in that, uh, I made a lot of life changes about five years ago. I was heading down a path. I was really unhappy. I was doing a corporate life, and I was more depressed than I had ever been, and yet I had all ... everything in my life. I had a good paycheck, beautiful wife, house, everything except for a soul-sucking path of, of a career that was going to bring me nothing but misery.

  2. 1:52 – 4:37

    Inside retail loss prevention: how theft works and how stores catch people

    1. JR

      What were you doing?

    2. JC

      Well, I was a fraud investigator for a large retailer, one of the largest. I'll, I'll say it's not Walmart.

    3. JR

      Okay.

    4. JC

      Actually, I'll say it's Target. Who cares?

    5. JR

      Oh, Jesus. You're crazy.

    6. JC

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      Can't believe you're saying it.

    8. JC

      It was a sweet gig for a while. I was doing ... Uh, so I had a couple responsibilities. Internal theft and fraud, so I was investigating employees that steal from the company, and then I also managed the team that would bust the shoplifters, external theft and fraud. And that gig was awesome for a few years until ... And I'm not talking crap about Target, 'cause it's, it's a corporate thing. They're all doing the do-more-with-less philosophy. Through attrition, they get rid of other positions, and then they pass on those responsibilities to you, and then you end up doing less of what you really want to do. For example, what I was good at was busting people that were stealing from the company. Salaried managers, uh, just-

    9. JR

      How would they steal?

    10. JC

      (sighs)

    11. JR

      The ... Like, what's ... What's the, the most clever way?

    12. JC

      Well, so it could be something as simple as stealing cash, but that's like the easiest thing to catch-

    13. JR

      Right.

    14. JC

      ... so that's more rare. Uh, some people steal merchandise. So you got to think about it, like if you were to take ... 'Cause we were joking about DVDs earlier. No one's doing them anymore. But when I was ... Last year in 2014, DVD box sets for, like, television series, those things go 50, 60 bucks. But if you steal a whole box of them and you sell them on the black market-

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. JC

      ... then ... And use no overhead.

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. JC

      And o- other things that people do is mark things down. Like, you know, you'll have a TV or patio furniture or something, whatever. Th- think about it. And, and you just mark that stuff down, and ... Yeah. But it could be something ... Simple stuff. It could be people that are just trying to ... (sighs) I don't know. (sighs) I mean, if you think about it, like it's ... Actually, let me, let me put it like this. And this is for the external. This is the shoplifters. You want to guess what the number one most stolen thing out of Target is, out of anything else?

    19. JR

      Gum?

    20. JC

      Mm-mm.

    21. JR

      No?

    22. JC

      I'll give you a hint.

    23. JR

      I would think something you could slip into your pocket.

    24. JC

      I'll give you a hint.

    25. JR

      Oh, yes?

    26. JC

      Yeah. It's, it's women, and it's something they just drop in their purse. It's nail polish.

    27. JR

      Nail polish?

    28. JC

      More than anything.

    29. JR

      Really?

    30. JC

      Yeah. (laughs)

  3. 4:37 – 13:32

    Learning YouTube: early experimentation, Tesla breakout, and the ‘muse’ debate

    1. JC

      All right. So I was at Target. I was unhappy. I tried to find another g- gig. Nothing was panning out, so I'm like, "All right. I'm going to go back to school and get an MBA," Master's of Business Administration. Even though I wasn't a fan of school, I'm like, "This will get me that six-figure corporate gig, and I'll be a manager." And I was sick and tired of all this bureaucratic, bureaucratic red tape shit of knowing that there's something a company could do better and it has to go through so many people and no one listens. I'm like, "Christ." So I'm like, "Well, let me become the decision-maker. Let me go get a m- high-powered job, and, and that will satisfy me." But midway through the program, I got real depressed. I was married, and I was like ... Once I graduated, I was doing some soul-searching. We moved to Boise, Idaho for a change, and nothing was panning out for finding a job. And so I was, like I said, depressed, and I was like, "Fuck this. I'm just going to go become a schoolteacher. I'll bite the bullet. I don't care about the money anymore. I just want to be happy." And I always thought being a teacher would be fun, but truth be told, I'm like, "I'm not doing that for $35,000 a year." Like, that's ... You're poor. Teachers, schoolteachers are, are practically at the poverty level.

    2. JR

      Right.

    3. JC

      But anyway, so I was like, "I'll do that." And then they're like, "Well, you got to go back to school and get some certage, and it's going to be like another year and a half." I'm like, "I'm not going back to school. I just got a master's." And so I was like, "Well, I had heard people were on YouTube and making money," and I'm like, "I could teach anything on there." And so I started shotgunning it. I started making videos on all kinds of different topics, all kinds of crazy stuff. Joe, if you saw my earliest stuff ... I mean, I've deleted more than half my videos. I was talking all kinds of woo-woo.

    4. JR

      Well, you had to learn, right?

    5. JC

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      You had to learn how to do it right.

    7. JC

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      But YouTube is ... YouTube has a lot of dumb shit on it.... like, uh, undeniably. But you could learn a lot of things on YouTube. There's a lot of, like, legitimately fascinating information on YouTube, and legitimately informative videos.

    9. JC

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      So, that comes to you. So, you start making these videos on ancient civilizations.

    11. JC

      Those, those were the ones that got the most views. And it all made sense because it was the most fun topic to make videos on. One, when-

    12. JR

      So, you were the most enthusiastic about it?

    13. JC

      It ... Yeah. An- and it ended up making sense. It worked out that way 'cause even just doing the research wasn't hard. Because if I'm reading something I'm not interested in, like my brain just goes-

    14. JR

      Right. Of course.

    15. JC

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      Me too, same thing.

    17. JC

      And-

    18. JR

      But I'm very, very interested in ancient civilizations, which is why I got into your videos.

    19. JC

      That's very flattering, Joe. And, um, I guess I just wanna say, it's interesting 'cause, you know, before we hadn't chatted, I was like, "Which videos had he seen and what stuck out?" Um-

    20. JR

      I've seen quite a few of them. I've seen, um, uh, most of your videos on construction methods of Egypt, of the pyramids, and some of, uh, the, the videos on all the d- other structures that are there. You gotta stop messing with that. It's gonna fuck with your head.

    21. JC

      Is it?

    22. JR

      You're gonna keep going up and down and up and down.

    23. JC

      Well, I know. I, I've been constantly turning it down.

    24. JR

      You're fidgeting.

    25. JC

      Okay.

    26. JR

      Just relax.

    27. JC

      Okay.

    28. JR

      (laughs)

    29. JC

      Well, I ... I'm not used to hearing myself like this, so ...

    30. JR

      Right. Yeah, you get used to it. But it's the best way because it stops us from talking over each other.

  4. 13:32 – 16:24

    Algorithm realities: titles, thumbnails, and building an educational channel intentionally

    1. JR

      Yeah.

    2. JC

      And it's like, so I look at my videos and sometimes I'm really struggling with a title and a thumbnail, which is I would say the most important thing, 'cause you gotta get people to click, right?

    3. JR

      Right.

    4. JC

      And then after that you need good content or they'll just click off and they'll never come back. But it's interesting, it's that sometimes it's when I put the intention out into the universe, I, I'll, I'll, I'll give myself this feeling of self-belief that I am getting just the right title and just the right thumbnail to get me views. 'Cause that was my, that was my original goal, was like, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go down this YouTube path, then I might as well do it, I'm gonna go big. I want one million subscribers and I wanna get videos that get millions of views and I wanna teach something to somebody in the process and have fun doing it and encourage other people to look into things. And the th- the thing is, is that sometimes with some of these ideas, I'm like, from one second to the next, all of a sudden the idea comes and it worked out quite well in many, in so many times over and over again.

    5. JR

      But you're focusing. I mean, t- you think about what you're doing. You're sitting down there and you're thinking about it and you're focusing.

    6. JC

      I, well ... true.

    7. JR

      And you're using your creativity and your concentration. It's not, doesn't necessarily have to be mystical.

    8. JC

      Well, true, except for that sometimes I'll be tossing in over these ideas for weeks of focusing on it, and sometimes that's what delays me so long 'cause if I, if I have a good content, like, I need to know how to share this. But if you can't market, especially with YouTube and how big it is now, and if you ... y- you've gotta show somebody why they should click on your video and, um, e- just focusing on it enough isn't necessarily what's brought me my ideas. I've struggled tremendously by focusing too hard and then all of a sudden when I maybe let go a little bit, I'll get this flash and I'm like, "Ah, I f- that's how it should look."

    9. JR

      Right. Okay.

    10. JC

      Because especially when I'm ... these topics I'm talking about, like the, say, Atlantis, which we gotta, we're gonna have to talk about that. How do you make a video when there's like 10,000 other You- or Atlantis videos out there? What's gonna make someone wanna click on this one more than the others? So it's gotta be a title, it's maybe perhaps a little provocative or have certain-

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. JC

      ... keywords for the algorithm. And I've learned, like, with thumbnails, you gotta ... 'cause if people are, are literally-

    13. JR

      So you think about this shit a lot.

    14. JC

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      About how to get people to watch a lot.

    16. JC

      Yes.

    17. JR

      How long, how long you been doing this now?

    18. JC

      I created ... all right, so, uh, August of 2016 was when my first videos started coming out. Or actually, that's not true. June, July, but those videos don't exist anymore. The earliest one you'll find on my channel will be, I believe, August of 2016.

    19. JR

      So it's been a process of, like, trying to ...

    20. JC

      Yeah. The first four months, I didn't have 100 subscribers for the first four months.

    21. JR

      You're obsessed with the subscriber number and the views and all that shit, huh?

    22. JC

      It was a goal 'cause I'm like, all right, so I did a complete 180 in my life and I went from, like, this, this path that was more of, let's say, normal and all the check boxes, and I'm like, well, how the ... if I'm gonna do this, I wanna be successful at it.

    23. JR

      Right. Right.

    24. JC

      But I wanna give back in the process. And by give back, I mean, like, teach someone something. Like, I, I don't wanna go do silly dumbass videos even if it would make me more money. I'd rather be proud of something I'm doing, if that makes sense.

  5. 16:24 – 20:01

    Atlantis and the Younger Dryas: why the Richat Structure grabbed attention

    1. JR

      Right. Yeah. So the Atlantis one. So-

    2. JC

      Yeah. The Richat structure.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. JC

      I was wondering if you saw those videos, Joe.

    5. JR

      Yeah. No, that was, that was a big one that I saw, because I've been fascinated by the concept of Atlantis, you know. Ever since I had these conversations with Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock about the Younger Dryas impact theory-

    6. JC

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      ... and this concept that somewhere in the roughly around 11,000, 12,000 years ago, we were hit by a series of comets. And it's pretty evident that that's a fact. If you do the core samples of the Earth, they find this nuclear glass all over the Earth that exists in that time period, and it seems like something happened that reset civilization. And there's very little, uh, evidence of advanced civilizations before that up until recently, up until the last couple of decades. They started uncovering things like Göbekli Tepe-

    8. JC

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... and all these other structures that are clearly from more than 12,000 years ago.

    10. JC

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      And they're really complex and really large with enormous stones, and it's sort of caused people to rethink the history of the Earth and the, the history of human civilizations. And Atlantis has always been the big one. That has been the one that everybody talked about, was this incredibly advanced civilization.

    12. JC

      Mm-hmm.

    13. JR

      And, uh, no one can figure out where it is.

    14. JC

      Right.

    15. JR

      Or if it was real.

    16. JC

      I think that Atlantis ... because surely that wouldn't have been necessarily the name just through, like, the, the change of language, you know, over, let's say, 12, 13,000 years ago, which would be the timeframe. So, like, surely there would be several different changes of language, but I think it represented a civilization that was doing great things, they were more global than what m- many people think would be possible. Um, it ... Atlantis was said to be a kingdom made up of d-... or an empire, excuse me, made up of 10 kingdoms. And then there was the lost city of Atlantis, which was the capital, which th- was said to be made up of concentric circles, uh, th- two of water, three of land. And essentially that they were obliterated by a cataclysm, as passed down by Plato, although it's worth mentioning that Plato got the story of Atlantis from Solon, who was his, uh, uncle separated by six generations. But what people d- most people don't realize is that Solon had traveled to Egypt, and so it's the ancient Egyptians is where that tale comes from.

    17. JR

      Mm.

    18. JC

      Which makes it even more bizarre because I would argue that the most spectacular ancient civilization is the Egyptians. I mean, I mean no disrespect to the Romans-

    19. JR

      It's hard to, hard to deny.

    20. JC

      Right? I mean, they're, uh, it... Let me just say, 'cause I wanna on this podcast encourage people to travel to Egypt. It... Joe, you gotta go.

    21. JR

      I really want to. A friend of mine just went, and she got back, and she was telling me incredible things about it. Jamie, will pull up the photos of these concentric circles? Tell him...

    22. JC

      Yeah, the Richat. R-I-C-H-A-T.

    23. JR

      He's got-

    24. JC

      It's worth mentioning-

    25. JR

      He's got it already here.

    26. JC

      ... that, yeah.

    27. JR

      Now-

    28. JC

      In the first couple e- uh, that I just wanna say it's Richat. I used to call it Rick-hot. I was pr- mispronouncing it. But let me ask you this, Joe, real quick. When you saw my video, was that the very first time you had ever seen this thing before?

    29. JR

      Yes. Yeah.

    30. JC

      That's the thing. S- so many... When I first saw this, I was like, "What the fuck is that?" By the way, you see that white, all those white blemishes?

  6. 20:01 – 30:55

    Mapping the Richat Structure: salt, erosion, scale, and competing interpretations

    1. JR

      Is there a natural explanation for-

    2. JC

      Yes.

    3. JR

      ... this formation?

    4. JC

      Yes. So what... So let me say that it is considered to be a mysterious. They don't, they're not 100% certain of it. However, the consensus is that it was a volcanic dome that had risen and collapsed multiple times like 100 million years ago, allegedly. Oh, I don't... I say allegedly, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that. I'm just saying I would like to know where sometimes they get these figures from. Like explain to me why it was 100 million years ago and not 99 or 98, because here we are talking about how crazy things changed in just the last 12, 13,000 years so when they throw around these numbers, you know... One million years in itself is an incredibly long period of time but, getting back to your question, some had originally thought that maybe it was an impact site from a cra- from a r- you know, an asteroid or perhaps, but there's no evidence for it, like there's none of the nano that-

    5. JR

      Well, the problem is, is, is there's these concentric circles. The way-

    6. JC

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      I like to... I've never seen anything... I mean, obviously I'm not an archeologist, but I've never seen anything like this in, uh, I mean, if you study structures that are like manmade structures, I've never seen anything like this that humans have made, but I've definitely never seen like... Can you go, go to that one-

    8. JC

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... where the cursor's on-

    10. JC

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      ... Jamie.

    12. JC

      Please.

    13. JR

      So is this...

    14. JC

      (laughs) You wanna see s- all right. I'm sorry.

    15. JR

      What is this? What do we-

    16. JC

      Okay.

    17. JR

      Okay, one step at a time because we-

    18. JC

      Yep.

    19. JR

      ... also have to take into consideration that people are just listening, so kind of-

    20. JC

      Okay.

    21. JR

      ... describe what we're looking at here.

    22. JC

      Okay, so what you're looking at is approximately 250 miles inland in the total barren desert of Mauritania, Africa, so the Western Sahara.

    23. JR

      But this image looks like... Why is it blue?

    24. JC

      That's just showing you the-

    25. JR

      What it used to look like?

    26. JC

      No, this is what it looks like right now through, um... I forgot what you call this type of animation, but it's essentially it's a satellite imagery that they enhanced in order for you to see the difference in elevation and the actual structure to itself.

    27. JR

      Okay, so-

    28. JC

      But-

    29. JR

      ... like if there was water in this area, you would see it this way, that it would be these concentric circles that are raised above the water, and then the water would be inside of it like that.

    30. JC

      Well, just to clarify, this particular image, no, this is not trying to represent water. So that blue is actually picking up on salt. So-

  7. 30:55 – 35:57

    How evidence disappears: Detroit decay, Titanic erosion, and alternative ‘advanced’ tech pathways

    1. JR

      ... sophisticated we don't know. But then the other thing is like, how much would be left? You know, if you ever seen those, uh, photographs of Detroit, um-

    2. JC

      No.

    3. JR

      ... that, where you see houses that are being consumed by trees?

    4. JC

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      And, uh, there's, there's some great ones in Russia as well, where they have, uh, these photographers have taken to going into these abandoned cities and watching the, the, the nature, like watching trees and the greenery consume these houses. But in Detroit, we're only talking about a couple decades. You've got trees growing through the center of houses, so the houses had holes in them, rain came in through the holes.

    6. JC

      Right.

    7. JR

      There's holes in the floor. Something, whether it's a tree or something, grew up through the floorboards, burst through the floorboards. See if you can find some of those images, Jamie, 'cause they're really fascinating. And so for people to just get an understanding of timescale, what we're looking at in these images-

    8. JC

      Quick one I found real fast.

    9. JR

      Yeah, so that was one-

    10. JC

      Not for that house, but-

    11. JR

      Yeah. So, it's one from 2009 and then you see it from 2013. It's, it's basically consuming that house. So in 2009, you just have a house in between two houses. In 2013, the house is abandoned and it's being consumed by trees.

    12. JC

      It looks like it's been condemned. It looks like it's gonna fall in on e- itself pretty soon.

    13. JR

      Well, yeah, but it's four years.

    14. JC

      That's, it's wild. And so-

    15. JR

      That's what's crazy. In four years, I mean, if you came back four years later and you saw that the house is abandoned... Like, right now, in 2009, it looks like a normal house. Like, you drive by, "Oh, there's a house."

    16. JC

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      In 2013, you go, "Oh, uh, the house is getting eaten by trees." But there's some other ones from Detroit, Jamie, where you can see houses where the trees are actually growing up through the center of the house.

    18. JC

      I'll find one. I just, uh-

    19. JR

      Okay, no worries.

    20. JC

      ... wasn't looking for that right away.

    21. JR

      No worries. But my point is, this is just a few years.

    22. JC

      Right.

    23. JR

      If you go a few hundred years, everything's gone.

    24. JC

      Look at the Titanic. Granted, it's under the ocean, but in just over, a little more than 100 years-

    25. JR

      Look at that one.

    26. JC

      ... it's more than 50% gone already.

    27. JR

      Look at that one right there.

    28. JC

      Oh, (laughs) that's, that's good.

    29. JR

      That's crazy.

    30. JC

      I like that. (laughs) Look at that.

  8. 35:57 – 38:41

    Megalithic stonework shock: Peru polygonal walls and the Egypt transport problem

    1. JR

      Well, look at these images, man. This, these stones... What's fascinating to me is how they're uneven, but yet they're perfectly fit into place. I mean, but what I mean by uneven is they're a bunch of different shapes. It, the, for, for the people that are just listening if- and if you go to the Bright_insight Instagram page, there's plenty of, uh, images that Jimmy has up here, but these stones are much, much taller than him. They're immense and they're these weird shapes, but yet they fit into each other perfectly.But what's crazy also is they're smooth in some places where they, like... It's almost, like, artistic, right?

    2. JC

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Like, the way they jumbled them all together, but, like, perfectly fit them.

    4. JC

      So-

    5. JR

      Like, look at that. God, that's amazing.

    6. JC

      Scroll over again, Jamie, 'cause I'm gonna, I'm gonna wow you. Go one more time, I think. All right, so that stone right there is 17 feet tall above ground, and another 12 below. Or maybe it's the other way around, maybe it's 12 and then 17. I can't remember. But it's a 29-foot-long stone.

    7. JR

      Jesus.

    8. JC

      At least 100 tons.

    9. JR

      So they dug under the ground, or did-

    10. JC

      Yep.

    11. JR

      ... the ground consume it?

    12. JC

      Uh, dug. Well, I believe.

    13. JR

      Hard to say.

    14. JC

      That's what I was told. Um-

    15. JR

      Right. It's hard to say because, like a lot of the structures in ancient Egypt, especially, like, the Old Kingdom, they found them underneath where they were buried by sand.

    16. JC

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      Which is obviously very different than... Well, this is just hard dirt?

    18. JC

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      And where in Egypt was this?

    20. JC

      Oh, I'm sorry, this is Peru. So this is S-

    21. JR

      Oh, this is Machu Picchu?

    22. JC

      Uh, no. This is... So this is, uh, Sacsayhuaman is what they... it's called. And it's these huge polygonal walls, these terraces and, um... All right, 'cause I can see it on there. I'm such a nerd, Joe. You gotta s-... So-

    23. JR

      Wow, look at that doorway.

    24. JC

      (laughs) It's, it's, it's huge. And that first picture we were showing you that I said was 125 tons? Just to put it into perspective for people, that's more than three 737-800s, which is, like, a common, say, Southwest jet. Heavier than three of those suckers, one... That one stone. And it's like, how the...

    25. JR

      (laughs)

    26. JC

      And they're not even entirely sure where it came from. Th- it's like, how did they m-... How did they move it? Yeah, see, I put this in there. I'm s-... I'm into planes, Joe. So-

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. JC

      ... for comparison, 'cause I also made the comparison that it's, uh, 20,000 pounds heavier than a 767-400, which is a wide-body jetliner.

    29. JR

      Can you go back, Jamie? Go back one.

    30. NA

      Nope.

  9. 38:41 – 57:39

    Egyptian construction evidence controversy: papyrus ‘receipts,’ sled depictions, and missing methods

    1. JC

      But I wanna... I have to say something, because I know exactly... 'Cause there's so many people out there that will cite, um... There was a discovery a handful of years ago of this papyrus that had, uh... It was essentially a receipt for limestone blocks that were brought up the Nile and delivered to Giza.

    2. JR

      Oh.

    3. JC

      And many people have said, "Uh..." See, this is... There was such clickbait fraud headlines about it saying th-... You know, "Papyrus describing how they built the pyramids." That is the biggest clip, clickbait nonsense, because if you actually look at what was detailed on it, it doesn't say anything. It doesn't s-... Use the word pyramid. It doesn't say what they were used for. All it says is, "Horizon of Khufu." And so what some people interpret that to mean is that the alleged, uh, pharaoh who built the Great Pyramid, his name was Khufu. And that Horizon of Khufu essentially could indicate, oh, his resting place, as in horizon being to the west, where you go when you die. That's all that thing says. And it was already known, Joe, that some of the blocks were brought to Giza. So, I just want to point that out 'cause I know that people are gonna Google this stuff and be like, "Oh, no, no, we know exactly how they did it." I'm like, it-

    4. JR

      I l-... I like how you use this goofy voice.

    5. JC

      (laughs)

    6. JR

      You have your dissenters. All your dissenters have goofy voices.

    7. JC

      Uh... Oh, you're gonna, "As you see here, you got this papyrus that will explain everything."

    8. JR

      So, this-

    9. JC

      It doesn't.

    10. JR

      This... So this papyrus is, uh, some kind of a receipt? Is that the idea?

    11. JC

      Yeah. It was... It was, um... I forgot... Yes, it was, uh, f-... I'm tr-... Forgetting his name off the top, but it was a gentleman and he was moving blocks. And, um... But the thing that people need to realize is that there are u-... There are hundreds and hundreds of other structures right around the Great Pyramid that are unbelievably smaller, and the blocks are unbeliev- unbelievably smaller than the ones in the pyramid. There was a lot of things that were built there over a few thousand years. So it's like, that... Uh... (sighs) It doesn't prove that it was for the pyramid, and I don't think it is. But who knows? 'Cause I know how the skeptics are.

    12. JR

      Well, either way.

    13. JC

      So I want to be open-minded, but, like, the reality is that it does not say pyramid. It doesn't describe how it was... anything it was constructed. It's worth saying.

    14. JR

      But either way, it is, uh, a limestone r- receipt.

    15. JC

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      So, there, there was some sort of trade in these stones. And is there any depictions of transport of these blocks?

    17. JC

      Zero, except there is one that was... I don't know if it was the Tomb of Renkhore or whatever. I might be getting the name wrong. But the... It shows a 58-ton statue that they dragged on sleds, and sh-... Seems to depict them pouring water. But it's worth mentioning-

    18. JR

      Wh- what is that one? How does someone find that?

    19. JC

      I, uh, I in... (sighs) I'd have to... I mean, I have it on my... I brought my computer. I just don't have it in here with me. Um, I wish I could show it to you. Type in "Egyptians sled statue" and that will... Google will bring that up under Google Image.

    20. JR

      Is that it right there?

    21. JC

      Boom. So that's a recreation because this was destroyed and damaged, but someone had interpreted it.

    22. JR

      Uh, was destroyed and damaged how?

    23. JC

      Uh, I believe it was water flooding. There was different places... I, I could be wrong on that, but yeah, a lot of-

    24. JR

      Can you click on that, Jamie, so we can see it larger?

    25. JC

      But they're showing... That's what was allegedly depicted. I use allegedly just 'cause we can't see it today, but I don't have any doubt. I'm just saying. But, so the t-...

    26. NA

      When... Well, hold, s-... Slow down.

    27. JC

      Sorry.

    28. JR

      When... We're talking about this like, when was this destroyed?

    29. JC

      Oh, not long a-... In, um, 1850. Something like that.

    30. JR

      Scroll down, Jamie, so we can see the head of it.

  10. 57:39 – 1:08:57

    Loss of history in real time: ISIS destruction of Nineveh artifacts and what it implies for Egypt

    1. JC

      So ISIS went through and completely bulldozed them. They got jackhammers, and it's pretty wild. One of the f- I-

    2. JR

      What do you, what are you saying they got jackhammers? They destroyed them? Is that what you're saying?

    3. JC

      Oh yeah. Uh, Jamie, will you please bring up the Gate of Nergal, or type in "Mosul ISIS ancient"? So what's so wild, Joe, is that I had a, I was at the right place at the right time in Mosul during my deployment in 2009 and '10 to be able to see and touch these things with my own eyes. And this is at the Gate of Nergal at the ancient city of Nineveh.

    4. JR

      How old are these things, supposedly?

    5. JC

      Well, so they'll say, you know, like, 4,000 years old or so. I wonder if... No, so now what they're-

    6. JR

      Oh, Jesus Christ, they're destroying these things?

    7. JC

      Wait.

    8. JR

      Oh my God, this is horrible.

    9. JC

      I know, Joe.

    10. JR

      Oh my God. Footage shows Islamic State militants in Iraq smashing statues with sledgehammers in a build to crush, a, a bid to crush what they call non-Islamic ideas. Oh my God, this is fucking horrible.

    11. JC

      It gets worse than this.

    12. JR

      Oh my God.

    13. JC

      All right, so-

    14. JR

      Oh my God, this is fucking terrible.

    15. JC

      (sighs) It's hard to see, man.

    16. JR

      Oh my God.

    17. JC

      Fucking humans.

    18. JR

      So they're destroying these thousands of year old artifacts.

    19. JC

      Yep.

    20. JR

      And they're doing it with sledgehammers. Oh, Jesus Christ. This is crazy.

    21. JC

      Yep. And s-

    22. JR

      Oh my God, these fucking idiots.

    23. JC

      So y- (sighs) yeah, see, those are jackhammers. But that's not even... This, these aren't even images I'm... All right, so there, that's where I was. That's the Gate of Nergal. The ancient city of Nineveh was said to be where Jonah had went after he escaped the whale from that story, the Biblical story. And so that's the same gate that allegedly he had went. And so Jamie, if you could just, um, bring up, um, 'cause there's a specific, a few articles that show that, that spot and these huge... Are you familiar with the winged bulls? They're called lamassu.

    24. JR

      No.

    25. JC

      They're like 15 feet tall. You gotta see 'em, Jamie. This is, this is so worth it. Um, and so they, they, these things were unbelievably impressive, and they went through, ISIS, Joe, they, they got huge ec- uh, earth-moving equipment like dozers, and they... All right, there it is. This is what I'm talking about. So the, the, the picture on the upper left, that's exactly where I was, and there's a picture of ISIS, um-

    26. JR

      God, these fucking idiots.

    27. JC

      Yeah, that... Right, so that picture with the, the guy in the bla- th- that. So I, I have a picture of me standing right in front of that.

    28. JR

      Oh my God, he's just destroying that face.

    29. JC

      Yep.

    30. JR

      Oh, Jesus Christ.

  11. 1:08:57 – 1:17:32

    Sphinx rainfall erosion and academic gatekeeping: geology vs. conventional Egyptology

    1. JC

      Agree.

    2. JR

      ... the... Robert Schoch, who I've had on the podcast before, he was the first geologist to stick his neck out and say that the water erosion around the temple, the Sphinx, indicates thousands of years of rainfall. And like you were saying, when it comes to the Sahara-

    3. JC

      Yes.

    4. JR

      ... uh, it's the same thing with the Nile Valley. The last time there was significant rainfall in the Nile Valley was 9,000 years ago.

    5. JC

      Yup.

    6. JR

      And then you have to look at the thousands of years of rainfall required to make these deep fissures in the stone where the, the softer areas are eroded and you have these deep, you know, vertical fissures that indicate that water coming down from the top and leaking through have created all this stuff. And so his, his timeline is thousands of years before 9,000 BC-

    7. JC

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      ... because it, it's required that much time to create this erosion. That's very controversial around s- um, traditional, like, uh, the, the Egyptologists that want to follow the conventional timeline. They come up with all sorts of alternative reasons for why these fissures exist. But one of the more fascinating things that Robert Schoch did was he put, uh, masking tape over the areas that would clearly indicate where this was happening, and he brought it to a series of geologists. And he said, "Does this, this image represent, in your opinion, wind and sand erosion, or does it indicate water?" All of them said it indicated water. All of them said it indicated rainfall.

    9. JC

      It was literally-

    10. JR

      And then, and then when he pulled it aside and showed that this was actually the, the Sphinx, they were like, "I'm not putting my fucking name on that."

    11. JC

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      Like, very few of them wanted to stick their neck... More have since. Since he's come forward, mo- there's been many geologists that have agreed with him. But initially, people were very hesitant to stick their neck out, because in academia, which is really fascinating, challenging conventional ideas gets you in deep shit. Because even though we would like to believe that these archeologists and scientists and historians only base their opinions on data, only base their opinions on what's in front of them, that's not true. A lot of them have a long history of teaching things that eventually turn out to be incorrect, and they are deeply embarrassed, and they fight it tooth and claw. They do everything they can to discredit any idea that they could be incorrect, and it's fascinating to watch. And one of them that was fascinating to watch was John Anthony West and Robert Schoch had had this conversation about the Sphinx and about the, uh, rose of the Sphinx with this conventional Egyptologist that was working with Zawi Hawass, who was the head of antiquities.

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