Joe Rogan Experience #1742 - Jimmy Corsetti

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Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (heavy rock music) Hello, Joe.

Jimmy Corsetti 0:13 Hello, Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan 0:14 Nice to meet you in person. I've watched many, many of your videos on YouTube, and I really, really enjoy them. We sh-

Jimmy Corsetti 0:20 Tha- that's quite flattering.

Joe Rogan 0:21 Well, we share a common interest, uh, this, uh, w- this fascination with ancient civilizations and, and the mysteries that kind of ... The first video I think I saw of you was, um, this video of these concentric circles in Africa that are remarkably similar to descriptions of Atlantis.

Jimmy Corsetti 0:39 The Richat Structure.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Yeah. And then I started reading up on it, and I'm like, "This is pretty wild." And then I got into your whole YouTube page, which is called Bright Insight, and, uh, it's really excellent. So first, before we can get it started, how did you get interested in this subject?

Jimmy Corsetti 0:54 Well, going back to the sixth grade, that was when I fell in love with the Egyptians.

Joe Rogan 0:59 Get this right up there. Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 0:59 Oh, yeah. Bring that sucker up to you?

Joe Rogan 1:01 There you go.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:01 How's that sound?

Joe Rogan 1:02 Perfect.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:03 I've always had a fascination for the ancients. I ... In growing up in school, most topics bored the hell out of me. In math, I'd be like counting the ceiling tiles more than I'd be counting numbers. And ... But something like that, you know, the ancients, science, history, I always thought was fun. Um, but I never would've thought that I would grow up to find ... make a career out of it. Like, my story's pretty unique in that, uh, I made a lot of life changes about five years ago. I was heading down a path. I was really unhappy. I was doing a corporate life, and I was more depressed than I had ever been, and yet I had all ... everything in my life. I had a good paycheck, beautiful wife, house, everything except for a soul-sucking path of, of a career that was going to bring me nothing but misery.

Joe Rogan 1:52 What were you doing?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:53 Well, I was a fraud investigator for a large retailer, one of the largest. I'll, I'll say it's not Walmart.

Joe Rogan 2:00 Okay.

Jimmy Corsetti 2:00 Actually, I'll say it's Target. Who cares?

Joe Rogan 2:01 Oh, Jesus. You're crazy.

Jimmy Corsetti 2:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:03 Can't believe you're saying it.

Jimmy Corsetti 2:04 It was a sweet gig for a while. I was doing ... Uh, so I had a couple responsibilities. Internal theft and fraud, so I was investigating employees that steal from the company, and then I also managed the team that would bust the shoplifters, external theft and fraud. And that gig was awesome for a few years until ... And I'm not talking crap about Target, 'cause it's, it's a corporate thing. They're all doing the do-more-with-less philosophy. Through attrition, they get rid of other positions, and then they pass on those responsibilities to you, and then you end up doing less of what you really want to do. For example, what I was good at was busting people that were stealing from the company. Salaried managers, uh, just-

Joe Rogan 2:43 How would they steal?

Jimmy Corsetti 2:44 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 2:45 The ... Like, what's ... What's the, the most clever way?

Jimmy Corsetti 2:48 Well, so it could be something as simple as stealing cash, but that's like the easiest thing to catch-

Joe Rogan 2:54 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 2:54 ... so that's more rare. Uh, some people steal merchandise. So you got to think about it, like if you were to take ... 'Cause we were joking about DVDs earlier. No one's doing them anymore. But when I was ... Last year in 2014, DVD box sets for, like, television series, those things go 50, 60 bucks. But if you steal a whole box of them and you sell them on the black market-

Joe Rogan 3:10 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 3:11 ... then ... And use no overhead.

Joe Rogan 3:12 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 3:13 And o- other things that people do is mark things down. Like, you know, you'll have a TV or patio furniture or something, whatever. Th- think about it. And, and you just mark that stuff down, and ... Yeah. But it could be something ... Simple stuff. It could be people that are just trying to ... (sighs) I don't know. (sighs) I mean, if you think about it, like it's ... Actually, let me, let me put it like this. And this is for the external. This is the shoplifters. You want to guess what the number one most stolen thing out of Target is, out of anything else?

Joe Rogan 3:42 Gum?

Jimmy Corsetti 3:43 Mm-mm.

Joe Rogan 3:43 No?

Jimmy Corsetti 3:44 I'll give you a hint.

Joe Rogan 3:44 I would think something you could slip into your pocket.

Jimmy Corsetti 3:47 I'll give you a hint.

Joe Rogan 3:48 Oh, yes?

Jimmy Corsetti 3:48 Yeah. It's, it's women, and it's something they just drop in their purse. It's nail polish.

Joe Rogan 3:53 Nail polish?

Jimmy Corsetti 3:54 More than anything.

Joe Rogan 3:55 Really?

Jimmy Corsetti 3:55 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 3:56 So they just walk by and they just go, "I can get away with this."

Jimmy Corsetti 3:58 Yeah. Just grab it, and I think it's-

Joe Rogan 3:59 And you catch them on cameras? Is that how you bust them?

Jimmy Corsetti 4:01 Yeah. And so that's the thing a lot of people don't realize. I tell anyone, I'm like, "Don't steal from Target, man." Like, you ... They ... You will send your picture to all the other stores, and they will memorize your face. The, the little pen-

Joe Rogan 4:11 How about just don't steal?

Jimmy Corsetti 4:13 Yeah, don't steal. Do the right thing. But don't be-

Joe Rogan 4:14 Don't steal. Don't be a fucking piece of shit.

Jimmy Corsetti 4:15 Yeah. It's like-

Joe Rogan 4:16 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 4:16 Some people think, "Oh, it's a, it's a, it's a big company and-

Joe Rogan 4:18 Ugh.

Jimmy Corsetti 4:18 ... it's harmless." But I'm like, no. Like, payroll matters, and everything comes down to these fractions of percentages. And this can hurt employees from having hours. Like-

Joe Rogan 4:27 Well, it's just gross. Like-

Jimmy Corsetti 4:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:30 ... fr- it's ... So you did that, and then you didn't like it. So how'd you get into this, this YouTube world of these awesome videos?

Jimmy Corsetti 4:37 All right. So I was at Target. I was unhappy. I tried to find another g- gig. Nothing was panning out, so I'm like, "All right. I'm going to go back to school and get an MBA," Master's of Business Administration. Even though I wasn't a fan of school, I'm like, "This will get me that six-figure corporate gig, and I'll be a manager." And I was sick and tired of all this bureaucratic, bureaucratic red tape shit of knowing that there's something a company could do better and it has to go through so many people and no one listens. I'm like, "Christ." So I'm like, "Well, let me become the decision-maker. Let me go get a m- high-powered job, and, and that will satisfy me." But midway through the program, I got real depressed. I was married, and I was like ... Once I graduated, I was doing some soul-searching. We moved to Boise, Idaho for a change, and nothing was panning out for finding a job. And so I was, like I said, depressed, and I was like, "Fuck this. I'm just going to go become a schoolteacher. I'll bite the bullet. I don't care about the money anymore. I just want to be happy." And I always thought being a teacher would be fun, but truth be told, I'm like, "I'm not doing that for $35,000 a year." Like, that's ... You're poor. Teachers, schoolteachers are, are practically at the poverty level.

Joe Rogan 5:38 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 5:39 But anyway, so I was like, "I'll do that." And then they're like, "Well, you got to go back to school and get some certage, and it's going to be like another year and a half." I'm like, "I'm not going back to school. I just got a master's." And so I was like, "Well, I had heard people were on YouTube and making money," and I'm like, "I could teach anything on there." And so I started shotgunning it. I started making videos on all kinds of different topics, all kinds of crazy stuff. Joe, if you saw my earliest stuff ... I mean, I've deleted more than half my videos. I was talking all kinds of woo-woo.

Joe Rogan 6:04 Well, you had to learn, right?

Jimmy Corsetti 6:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:06 You had to learn how to do it right.

Jimmy Corsetti 6:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:08 But YouTube is ... YouTube has a lot of dumb shit on it.... like, uh, undeniably. But you could learn a lot of things on YouTube. There's a lot of, like, legitimately fascinating information on YouTube, and legitimately informative videos.

Jimmy Corsetti 6:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:22 So, that comes to you. So, you start making these videos on ancient civilizations.

Jimmy Corsetti 6:28 Those, those were the ones that got the most views. And it all made sense because it was the most fun topic to make videos on. One, when-

Joe Rogan 6:34 So, you were the most enthusiastic about it?

Jimmy Corsetti 6:36 It ... Yeah. An- and it ended up making sense. It worked out that way 'cause even just doing the research wasn't hard. Because if I'm reading something I'm not interested in, like my brain just goes-

Joe Rogan 6:44 Right. Of course.

Jimmy Corsetti 6:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:44 Me too, same thing.

Jimmy Corsetti 6:45 And-

Joe Rogan 6:45 But I'm very, very interested in ancient civilizations, which is why I got into your videos.

Jimmy Corsetti 6:50 That's very flattering, Joe. And, um, I guess I just wanna say, it's interesting 'cause, you know, before we hadn't chatted, I was like, "Which videos had he seen and what stuck out?" Um-

Joe Rogan 7:00 I've seen quite a few of them. I've seen, um, uh, most of your videos on construction methods of Egypt, of the pyramids, and some of, uh, the, the videos on all the d- other structures that are there. You gotta stop messing with that. It's gonna fuck with your head.

Jimmy Corsetti 7:14 Is it?

Joe Rogan 7:14 You're gonna keep going up and down and up and down.

Jimmy Corsetti 7:16 Well, I know. I, I've been constantly turning it down.

Joe Rogan 7:17 You're fidgeting.

Jimmy Corsetti 7:18 Okay.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Just relax.

Jimmy Corsetti 7:19 Okay.

Joe Rogan 7:19 (laughs)

Jimmy Corsetti 7:19 Well, I ... I'm not used to hearing myself like this, so ...

Joe Rogan 7:22 Right. Yeah, you get used to it. But it's the best way because it stops us from talking over each other.

Jimmy Corsetti 7:27 Right on.

Joe Rogan 7:27 Like, people normally, in normal conversation, they talk over each other all the time. But when you hear both voices at the same time in your ear, you realize how annoying that sounds to people listening.

Jimmy Corsetti 7:36 I gotcha.

Joe Rogan 7:37 Like, if you do a podcast with four people, and I've done a bunch of them with four people, it's a fucking nightmare.

Jimmy Corsetti 7:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:42 If you don't have headphones on, it's a disaster to listen to.

Jimmy Corsetti 7:45 Yeah. I heard, uh, your one two weeks ago on Tim Pool with everyone else, Alex Jones, and everyone was like-

Joe Rogan 7:49 It was disastrous.

Jimmy Corsetti 7:50 "Oh, it's only eight of you." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:51 It was a disaster. So, what was your first, like, one that you realized, like, actually caught on? Like, what was, uh, the first subject?

Jimmy Corsetti 8:01 It was on Nikola Tesla.

Joe Rogan 8:02 Oh.

Jimmy Corsetti 8:02 And I was talking about his thoughts on intuition and where his inventions came from, and how he would just sit around thinking up all of his inventions. It wasn't through tinkering around. He was convinced that there was ideas coming to him from the universe.

Joe Rogan 8:14 Yeah. Yeah, he was c- convinced that he was some sort of, like, a radio-

Jimmy Corsetti 8:18 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:18 ... for signals.

Jimmy Corsetti 8:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 8:19 Which I think a lot of people who are very creative, they think that way. A lot of singers will tell you that their songs come from j- just, like, they come from the air, you know? Some of the best jokes that I've ever written just seem like they've come out of nowhere, which is really confusing 'cause it's like, you know, that's what the concept of the muse is, right?

Jimmy Corsetti 8:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:38 The concept of the muse is you sit, like, uh ... Have you ever read Steven Pressfield?

Jimmy Corsetti 8:43 Yes. Uh, is that with the, um-

Joe Rogan 8:44 The War of Art?

Jimmy Corsetti 8:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Yeah, it's great.

Jimmy Corsetti 8:47 I thought it was The Resistance, actually. Am I thinking of something else?

Joe Rogan 8:49 Yeah. No, Steven Pressfield, same guy.

Jimmy Corsetti 8:51 Okay.

Joe Rogan 8:51 The resistance is the thing that he talks about that everybody struggles against.

Jimmy Corsetti 8:54 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 8:54 This is, like, the procrastination. And that the muse, he treats it as if it's a real thing, and that you just need to sit down and then b- be a professional and, like, give yourself this amount of time. Like, "This is when I show up every day, and then the muse will meet me there." But if you don't treat it like, like you're a professional, you don't respect the muse, it won't show up.

Jimmy Corsetti 9:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:15 And his idea is that this is, like, a real thing that's giving you this data, which is very similar to the way Tesla thought about things.

Jimmy Corsetti 9:23 Do you believe that?

Joe Rogan 9:25 I don't know.

Jimmy Corsetti 9:26 But you said-

Joe Rogan 9:26 I don't- but if you treat it that way, it's real.

Jimmy Corsetti 9:29 That's the thing.

Joe Rogan 9:29 It's like my same, the same feeling I have about God. Like, if you live life like there's a God, if you live life like there's real morals and ethics to the universe, I feel like you can get a better result. And it's not like, that you should only be ethical and kind because you feel like there's, like, a big guy in the sky watching you. But if you do uphold the principles, like, the primary principles of Christianity, right? Do unto others as, as you would have do them to you, uh, you know, treat everyone as if they are your brother or your sister, and, you know, love and kindness, and that, you know, all these different, very e- easy to understand principles of, like, love and happiness and camaraderie. If you just follow those, they are really beneficial. They really work. Now, does that mean that a guy came back from the dead and walked on water? Eh, that seems a little fishy. But if you just follow those principles as if there really is a God, I believe that it's a, a great framework for life. And then I think that you could live a, a better, more fulfilled life if you live like that.

Jimmy Corsetti 10:36 I totally agree. And, you know, it makes you wonder, Joe. Like, do you ever wonder, like, what is all this about? Life, the universe, like, where did this all come from?

Joe Rogan 10:45 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 10:46 And the, the very fact that we're sitting here talking about it. So, I was thinking not long ago that it's like, okay, let's say Big Bang, like, the, the creation. And I can wrap my head around an expansion of energy. What I can't wrap my head around is how there was ever nothing-

Joe Rogan 10:59 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 11:00 ... and then something, and then ... So, essentially, if the Big Bang happened as they say, that's essent- essentially an explosion. So, like, aren't explosions essentially ... That's death, but yet here we are. We're made out of stardust, right?

Joe Rogan 11:15 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 11:15 Like, that's a, that's science. Like they say, we are made of stardust. And yet, here we are discussing meaning. So, I look at, like, love, humor, desire for ... or the pleasure of art, of all things, you know, whether it includes comedy or the, the way we feel when we see nature or a painting or anything else. And yet, I think that the meaning is the evidence of the divine. And I wouldn't say it as, like, you're talking about, like, God. It's like someone in the clouds or whatever, like, you know, gonna judge us or something like that. But doesn't that mean that we're the universe experiencing ourselves or itself in some way, that the fact that we're-

Joe Rogan 11:48 That's ... Many people describe it that way, yeah, that we're the universe experiencing ourselves. Um, if you wanted to be really pragmatic, you would say that all of these things, whether it's love or creativity or the des- desire for success and to be- have your work appreciated-... what all those things really do is they encourage camaraderie, which encourages cooperation, which gets more work done. Creativity encourages innovation, which creates better and newer things.

Jimmy Corsetti 12:22 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:23 And the desire to be appreciated for one's work makes one work extra hard to achieve these goals. But ultimately, what are all these goals? Like, what's the end result? The end result is better things.

Jimmy Corsetti 12:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 12:36 Constant innovation. Better thing. I mean, I've talked about this many times before because I'm obsessed with it, but for the people that have heard this, please forgive me. I am obsessed with the concept that human beings are essentially, uh, like a caterpillar that's creating a cocoon, and that out of this, this technological butterfly will emerge, and we don't even realize why we're doing it. The caterpillar's not consciously aware, "Hey, it's time to make the cocoon." The human being stuck in traffic working a nine-to-five, uh, working for Apple every day is not really thinking, "Hey, I am a part of this thing that will one day give birth to artificial intelligence and to sentient beings that are made out of carbon and silicon, and, you know, they're created in the laboratory rather than in a womb."

Jimmy Corsetti 13:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 13:21 But I think that's what we're doing.

Jimmy Corsetti 13:22 Yeah. And so it gets me back when we were talking about, like, where these ideas come from and the idea of a muse, 'cause like, Joe, the ... 'cause you said you've got these ideas for jokes that have panned out quite well, right?

Joe Rogan 13:32 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 13:32 And it's like, so I look at my videos and sometimes I'm really struggling with a title and a thumbnail, which is I would say the most important thing, 'cause you gotta get people to click, right?

Joe Rogan 13:42 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 13:42 And then after that you need good content or they'll just click off and they'll never come back. But it's interesting, it's that sometimes it's when I put the intention out into the universe, I, I'll, I'll, I'll give myself this feeling of self-belief that I am getting just the right title and just the right thumbnail to get me views. 'Cause that was my, that was my original goal, was like, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna go down this YouTube path, then I might as well do it, I'm gonna go big. I want one million subscribers and I wanna get videos that get millions of views and I wanna teach something to somebody in the process and have fun doing it and encourage other people to look into things. And the th- the thing is, is that sometimes with some of these ideas, I'm like, from one second to the next, all of a sudden the idea comes and it worked out quite well in many, in so many times over and over again.

Joe Rogan 14:28 But you're focusing. I mean, t- you think about what you're doing. You're sitting down there and you're thinking about it and you're focusing.

Jimmy Corsetti 14:33 I, well ... true.

Joe Rogan 14:33 And you're using your creativity and your concentration. It's not, doesn't necessarily have to be mystical.

Jimmy Corsetti 14:38 Well, true, except for that sometimes I'll be tossing in over these ideas for weeks of focusing on it, and sometimes that's what delays me so long 'cause if I, if I have a good content, like, I need to know how to share this. But if you can't market, especially with YouTube and how big it is now, and if you ... y- you've gotta show somebody why they should click on your video and, um, e- just focusing on it enough isn't necessarily what's brought me my ideas. I've struggled tremendously by focusing too hard and then all of a sudden when I maybe let go a little bit, I'll get this flash and I'm like, "Ah, I f- that's how it should look."

Joe Rogan 15:12 Right. Okay.

Jimmy Corsetti 15:12 Because especially when I'm ... these topics I'm talking about, like the, say, Atlantis, which we gotta, we're gonna have to talk about that. How do you make a video when there's like 10,000 other You- or Atlantis videos out there? What's gonna make someone wanna click on this one more than the others? So it's gotta be a title, it's maybe perhaps a little provocative or have certain-

Joe Rogan 15:30 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 15:30 ... keywords for the algorithm. And I've learned, like, with thumbnails, you gotta ... 'cause if people are, are literally-

Joe Rogan 15:35 So you think about this shit a lot.

Jimmy Corsetti 15:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:36 About how to get people to watch a lot.

Jimmy Corsetti 15:39 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:39 How long, how long you been doing this now?

Jimmy Corsetti 15:41 I created ... all right, so, uh, August of 2016 was when my first videos started coming out. Or actually, that's not true. June, July, but those videos don't exist anymore. The earliest one you'll find on my channel will be, I believe, August of 2016.

Joe Rogan 15:53 So it's been a process of, like, trying to ...

Jimmy Corsetti 15:55 Yeah. The first four months, I didn't have 100 subscribers for the first four months.

Joe Rogan 15:59 You're obsessed with the subscriber number and the views and all that shit, huh?

Jimmy Corsetti 16:02 It was a goal 'cause I'm like, all right, so I did a complete 180 in my life and I went from, like, this, this path that was more of, let's say, normal and all the check boxes, and I'm like, well, how the ... if I'm gonna do this, I wanna be successful at it.

Joe Rogan 16:12 Right. Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 16:13 But I wanna give back in the process. And by give back, I mean, like, teach someone something. Like, I, I don't wanna go do silly dumbass videos even if it would make me more money. I'd rather be proud of something I'm doing, if that makes sense.

Joe Rogan 16:24 Right. Yeah. So the Atlantis one. So-

Jimmy Corsetti 16:27 Yeah. The Richat structure.

Joe Rogan 16:28 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 16:28 I was wondering if you saw those videos, Joe.

Joe Rogan 16:30 Yeah. No, that was, that was a big one that I saw, because I've been fascinated by the concept of Atlantis, you know. Ever since I had these conversations with Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock about the Younger Dryas impact theory-

Jimmy Corsetti 16:41 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:41 ... and this concept that somewhere in the roughly around 11,000, 12,000 years ago, we were hit by a series of comets. And it's pretty evident that that's a fact. If you do the core samples of the Earth, they find this nuclear glass all over the Earth that exists in that time period, and it seems like something happened that reset civilization. And there's very little, uh, evidence of advanced civilizations before that up until recently, up until the last couple of decades. They started uncovering things like Göbekli Tepe-

Jimmy Corsetti 17:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:17 ... and all these other structures that are clearly from more than 12,000 years ago.

Jimmy Corsetti 17:22 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:22 And they're really complex and really large with enormous stones, and it's sort of caused people to rethink the history of the Earth and the, the history of human civilizations. And Atlantis has always been the big one. That has been the one that everybody talked about, was this incredibly advanced civilization.

Jimmy Corsetti 17:39 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 17:40 And, uh, no one can figure out where it is.

Jimmy Corsetti 17:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:43 Or if it was real.

Jimmy Corsetti 17:44 I think that Atlantis ... because surely that wouldn't have been necessarily the name just through, like, the, the change of language, you know, over, let's say, 12, 13,000 years ago, which would be the timeframe. So, like, surely there would be several different changes of language, but I think it represented a civilization that was doing great things, they were more global than what m- many people think would be possible. Um, it ... Atlantis was said to be a kingdom made up of d-... or an empire, excuse me, made up of 10 kingdoms. And then there was the lost city of Atlantis, which was the capital, which th- was said to be made up of concentric circles, uh, th- two of water, three of land. And essentially that they were obliterated by a cataclysm, as passed down by Plato, although it's worth mentioning that Plato got the story of Atlantis from Solon, who was his, uh, uncle separated by six generations. But what people d- most people don't realize is that Solon had traveled to Egypt, and so it's the ancient Egyptians is where that tale comes from.

Joe Rogan 18:45 Mm.

Jimmy Corsetti 18:45 Which makes it even more bizarre because I would argue that the most spectacular ancient civilization is the Egyptians. I mean, I mean no disrespect to the Romans-

Joe Rogan 18:54 It's hard to, hard to deny.

Jimmy Corsetti 18:55 Right? I mean, they're, uh, it... Let me just say, 'cause I wanna on this podcast encourage people to travel to Egypt. It... Joe, you gotta go.

Joe Rogan 19:02 I really want to. A friend of mine just went, and she got back, and she was telling me incredible things about it. Jamie, will pull up the photos of these concentric circles? Tell him...

Jimmy Corsetti 19:11 Yeah, the Richat. R-I-C-H-A-T.

Joe Rogan 19:13 He's got-

Jimmy Corsetti 19:13 It's worth mentioning-

Joe Rogan 19:14 He's got it already here.

Jimmy Corsetti 19:15 ... that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:15 Now-

Jimmy Corsetti 19:15 In the first couple e- uh, that I just wanna say it's Richat. I used to call it Rick-hot. I was pr- mispronouncing it. But let me ask you this, Joe, real quick. When you saw my video, was that the very first time you had ever seen this thing before?

Joe Rogan 19:27 Yes. Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 19:27 That's the thing. S- so many... When I first saw this, I was like, "What the fuck is that?" By the way, you see that white, all those white blemishes?

Joe Rogan 19:34 Uh-huh.

Jimmy Corsetti 19:35 That's salt. This was under the ocean. And, and people... Let, let me just say, you mentioned Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock. I love them, and I know for sure that they don't particularly think this is the site for a few different reasons. Um, so let me say there's absolute doubt. Even I am not 100% certain. I'm not even 100% certain Atlantis existed. What I am certain is that humans were doing spectacular things in a civiliz- uh, you know, a cataclysmic event happened, called the Younger Dryas, and reset something for somebody.

Joe Rogan 20:01 Is there a natural explanation for-

Jimmy Corsetti 20:04 Yes.

Joe Rogan 20:04 ... this formation?

Jimmy Corsetti 20:05 Yes. So what... So let me say that it is considered to be a mysterious. They don't, they're not 100% certain of it. However, the consensus is that it was a volcanic dome that had risen and collapsed multiple times like 100 million years ago, allegedly. Oh, I don't... I say allegedly, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with that. I'm just saying I would like to know where sometimes they get these figures from. Like explain to me why it was 100 million years ago and not 99 or 98, because here we are talking about how crazy things changed in just the last 12, 13,000 years so when they throw around these numbers, you know... One million years in itself is an incredibly long period of time but, getting back to your question, some had originally thought that maybe it was an impact site from a cra- from a r- you know, an asteroid or perhaps, but there's no evidence for it, like there's none of the nano that-

Joe Rogan 20:52 Well, the problem is, is, is there's these concentric circles. The way-

Jimmy Corsetti 20:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:56 I like to... I've never seen anything... I mean, obviously I'm not an archeologist, but I've never seen anything like this in, uh, I mean, if you study structures that are like manmade structures, I've never seen anything like this that humans have made, but I've definitely never seen like... Can you go, go to that one-

Jimmy Corsetti 21:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:11 ... where the cursor's on-

Jimmy Corsetti 21:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:12 ... Jamie.

Jimmy Corsetti 21:13 Please.

Joe Rogan 21:14 So is this...

Jimmy Corsetti 21:15 (laughs) You wanna see s- all right. I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 21:16 What is this? What do we-

Jimmy Corsetti 21:17 Okay.

Joe Rogan 21:17 Okay, one step at a time because we-

Jimmy Corsetti 21:19 Yep.

Joe Rogan 21:19 ... also have to take into consideration that people are just listening, so kind of-

Jimmy Corsetti 21:22 Okay.

Joe Rogan 21:22 ... describe what we're looking at here.

Jimmy Corsetti 21:24 Okay, so what you're looking at is approximately 250 miles inland in the total barren desert of Mauritania, Africa, so the Western Sahara.

Joe Rogan 21:33 But this image looks like... Why is it blue?

Jimmy Corsetti 21:35 That's just showing you the-

Joe Rogan 21:37 What it used to look like?

Jimmy Corsetti 21:38 No, this is what it looks like right now through, um... I forgot what you call this type of animation, but it's essentially it's a satellite imagery that they enhanced in order for you to see the difference in elevation and the actual structure to itself.

Joe Rogan 21:49 Okay, so-

Jimmy Corsetti 21:50 But-

Joe Rogan 21:50 ... like if there was water in this area, you would see it this way, that it would be these concentric circles that are raised above the water, and then the water would be inside of it like that.

Jimmy Corsetti 22:01 Well, just to clarify, this particular image, no, this is not trying to represent water. So that blue is actually picking up on salt. So-

Joe Rogan 22:08 Salt? All that was salt. But I mean, it used to be underwater, right? It's-

Jimmy Corsetti 22:12 Well-

Joe Rogan 22:12 ... salt because it was underwater.

Jimmy Corsetti 22:14 That's what I believe, and that's what makes the most sense to me. Others will disagree, and let me tell you why. It is currently 12, 1300 feet above sea level. It's 250 miles inland and... So some people say this was never under the ocean, at least not for the last tens of millions of years is what the scientists claim.

Joe Rogan 22:31 Mm.

Jimmy Corsetti 22:32 I argue that since the salt is still there, and not only that, Jamie, if you go to the other images that show you more of the, the white, um... The, the one, uh, that you were previously on, the one to the middle to the left. Right there. So those areas with the most white blemishes happen to be the areas that are the l- lowest in elevation which, to me, tells me that saltwater had settled there. But not only that, Joe, Atlantis was said to be, like we said, you know, multiple rings of, you know, water and land. However, it was said to open to the sea to the south and what you're looking at here, that lo- the south... So this is oriented north, south, east and west. What do you see to the south? And especially if we could get another-

Joe Rogan 23:11 This is very flat area that looks like it's the lowest e- elevation. Like around it looks like it's higher. I mean, it's hard to tell-

Jimmy Corsetti 23:17 L-

Joe Rogan 23:17 ... from this image.

Jimmy Corsetti 23:18 Jamie, will you, will you Google Map it? Just type in, um... Even if you went to Mauritania. So you can see this from space. Um, astronauts use it as a locator and they weren't really familiar or aware of it until the Gemini missions in the early 1960s so if you go to... Like if you just go to Google Earth you could... You'll be able to find this quite quickly. It stands out and it's why they call it the Eye of Africa or the Eye of the Sahara. All right, so just pan out a little bit, and it'll provide us with a much... Yeah, keep going. All that, all that white is salt. In fact, I have a friend-

Joe Rogan 23:49 How, how big is this?

Jimmy Corsetti 23:49 Josh Segerson that went out there and tasted that shit off the fucking ground. That's salt 'cause a lot of people say-

Joe Rogan 23:53 It's so much?

Jimmy Corsetti 23:54 "This was never under the ocean!" And I'm like... All right, you see all that? Even Randall Carlson himself, which let me just say he, for a few reasons, doesn't... He, he favors the Azores. He doesn't think this is likely to be the location for a few reasons.

Joe Rogan 24:06 He favors what?

Jimmy Corsetti 24:07 The Azores, the, the, the, uh, island chain which would be, uh, it's, it's-

Joe Rogan 24:12 And he thinks that that was Atlantis?

Jimmy Corsetti 24:14 He, he... To him, he's partial towards that. Um, but-So, he analyzed this site and do you see all those striations?

Joe Rogan 24:20 Uh-huh.

Jimmy Corsetti 24:20 How it looks like the ocean or ... So, that's all water erosion, Joe.

Joe Rogan 24:24 Mm.

Jimmy Corsetti 24:25 And if you scroll in ... So, remember when Randall was on your show and he showed you the Missoula f- Missoula flood plains?

Joe Rogan 24:31 Yes.

Jimmy Corsetti 24:31 And all those giant ripples from the huge current that it went through?

Joe Rogan 24:35 Uh-huh.

Jimmy Corsetti 24:35 This, this is here. So, scroll in, right there where your cursor is, Jamie. The ... Yeah, scroll right in. You're going to see those same water ripples. Keep going, 'cause this ... What you're looking at here is panned out, this is many miles. Like, keep in mind, this structure is 30 miles across.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Oh, that's crazy. That looks like the bottom of the ocean, like if you see where the water breaks on the, on the sand?

Jimmy Corsetti 24:55 Yep. And I have, uh-

Joe Rogan 24:56 Wow. That's crazy.

Jimmy Corsetti 24:57 ... There's better pictures. And that, just to clarify, that salt, or excuse me, that white is salt, and that is the ... 'Cause it's, a lot of people don't know, Joe, that the Sahara Desert wasn't a thing until approximately 5,000 years ago. It's only in the last several years, and- and by the way, I'm quoting MIT research here, that the- the Sahara goes back and forth from green to desert approximately every 20,000 years. Uh, they believe it has something to do with the Earth's tilt, and that's worth discussing. But ... So, this whole area, 'cause people are like, "Well, that's not Atlantis." I'm like, well, first of all, if this s- whole, if the western, or excuse me, the Sahara Desert was a lush, green, tropical paradise which had the largest known freshwater lakes ever known to have existed, for example, uh, Mega-Lake Chad, which is l- it's like three times more water surface than all of the, um, North American Great Lakes combined.

Joe Rogan 25:47 Whoa.

Jimmy Corsetti 25:48 It's a big sucker. Um-

Joe Rogan 25:49 Holy shit.

Jimmy Corsetti 25:49 And-

Joe Rogan 25:49 How is it not an ocean?

Jimmy Corsetti 25:51 I don't ... Well-

Joe Rogan 25:52 It's all freshwater?

Jimmy Corsetti 25:53 It was when it existed. And that was at the time when the Sahara was green. And it also had some of the largest known rivers exist, that they, r- known to have existed throughout the world. I think they'd still be ranked tenth today or something like that, but ... Um, so you have to, when you see this, people have to imagine that this area was once green and that if that ... 'Cause one of the arguments I make is that the fact that that salt is on top of that dirt to me is indicative that the ocean flowed over here far more recently than what people think.

Joe Rogan 26:21 How- how wide is this structure?

Jimmy Corsetti 26:23 Okay, so-

Joe Rogan 26:24 These concentric circles?

Jimmy Corsetti 26:25 (sighs) I meant to bring ... I brought a laser. Do you have a laser pointer in here?

Joe Rogan 26:28 No.

Jimmy Corsetti 26:28 That's okay. So, this, the circles themselves is about 14 and a half miles across. However, if you go the complete shebang, the whole circle itself, is just shy of 30 miles.

Joe Rogan 26:41 So, the whole thing is 30 miles, which would be like the size of a city.

Jimmy Corsetti 26:46 Right. Well- well, keep in mind, the outer ring would have been water, so the ... So, that wouldn't have necessarily counted, but ... Some people say that this is too big according to Plato's description. Um, and let me just say that I'm like, well, hold on a second. I don't think that we should consider that, because of loss of translation, that we should consider the measurements a key detail. The question becomes, is it big enough to be a city with possibly millions of people? Because the way it was described is that it was a city that was said to be busy all day, all night, rich in trade, with languages spoken from all over. So, I'm like, okay, it would, that would imply millions of people. I mean, if a city's busy all day and all night, I think of large metropolitan areas like New York, Chicago, London, whatever. And so if this, if- if this was indeed an ancient s- or site of an ancient civilization, well then, it would h- I mean, they're obviously not gonna have skyscrapers, so it'd have to be an area big enough to sustain that many people, and the Richat Structure certainly does.

Joe Rogan 27:43 And so the idea would be that this would lead out to the ocean and that these circles would be where the water is and then the ridges would- would be where the structures are, where the h- the houses and the buildings are?

Jimmy Corsetti 27:56 Yep. And people will say, "Well, where is that stuff now?" I'm like, "Well, look at it."

Joe Rogan 27:59 Well, they-

Jimmy Corsetti 27:59 It got obliterative.

Joe Rogan 28:00 Those peop- Yeah, those people should shut the fuck up.

Jimmy Corsetti 28:02 (laughs) Well- well, the state-

Joe Rogan 28:02 But if you just look at what's going on with the sand and the- those clear water erosion marks on the sand, but that also could be wind, right? Couldn't the way that the ripples in that, that sand, couldn't that be wind?

Jimmy Corsetti 28:15 Both. However, just to- just to clarify-

Joe Rogan 28:18 'Cause is that sand that is where the cursor's at right there?

Jimmy Corsetti 28:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:21 That Jamie has?

Jimmy Corsetti 28:21 That's all sand, however, the, uh, it's also ... Actually, go j- uh, to the right where it says Layers, Jamie. Can you scroll in right there? 'Cause that was, will show you the ripples more. So, it's a combination of sand and rock-

Joe Rogan 28:31 You mean to the left?

Jimmy Corsetti 28:32 ... in between. Right, right there.

Joe Rogan 28:33 Lower left?

Jimmy Corsetti 28:33 That's what I'm talking about. Those are giant ripples. And I'm quoting, let me just say, I'm quoting Randall Carlson, who I consider to be an expert on these, on geological formations. And so, um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:44 Right, but isn't that what wind-driven sand looks like? If you go to dunes, dunes look like that.

Jimmy Corsetti 28:50 Yeah, and undoubt-

Joe Rogan 28:51 But hold on, this is sand, right?

Jimmy Corsetti 28:53 Yes. Well, it's a combination, rock and sand in between.

Joe Rogan 28:55 Right, but this is like what it would look like if wind-driven sand and rock underneath it.

Jimmy Corsetti 29:00 Right. So, what w- the implication is that it was blasted by water and then after that the wind has done its thing and moved the sand all over it and in between.

Joe Rogan 29:09 So, 20,000 years ago, this was all green lush forest?

Jimmy Corsetti 29:12 No, Joe. 5,000.

Joe Rogan 29:14 5,000, really?

Jimmy Corsetti 29:15 So, I could s- yes. So, I could show you, um-

Joe Rogan 29:17 When do they think Atlantis was? Is it-

Jimmy Corsetti 29:19 11,600 is allegedly when it was destroyed which mirrors-

Joe Rogan 29:23 Oh, shit.

Jimmy Corsetti 29:23 ... the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe because, um ... So, Plato had des- So, this is 600 BC and Plato said that it happened 9,000 years earlier, so that would be 11,600 years ago, which coincides with the Younger Dryas climate catastrophe, which makes it so compelling. To me, that is actual scientific evidence that indicates that Atlantis actually existed, because-

Joe Rogan 29:46 Well, sort of.

Jimmy Corsetti 29:46 ... this is very specific.

Joe Rogan 29:47 It is very specific, but it's not scientific, right?

Jimmy Corsetti 29:49 Well-

Joe Rogan 29:49 It's like, there's no real evidence.

Jimmy Corsetti 29:51 Okay, let me rephrase.

Joe Rogan 29:52 It's just a depiction.

Jimmy Corsetti 29:52 That a civilization ... Yes. Let me rephrase. A civilization got fucked.

Joe Rogan 29:58 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 29:58 11,600. So, never mind Atlantis. Let me rephrase. A civilization was around, the s- the stories of it were passed down, and they got obliterated, so that's- that's what I'm implying.

Joe Rogan 30:06 Well, we all, we definitely know that the Younger Dryas impact theory is-... extremely plausible. There are, without a doubt, uh, uh, like, many, many impact parts, points on Earth where they find this, uh, trite night. This nuclear glass-

Jimmy Corsetti 30:23 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:23 ... which they, you can get either from a nuclear explosion or you get it from an, a, some sort of a meteor impact, large-scale, you know, all over the continent. And we know that, uh, all over the planet, I should say. We, we know that that happened.

Jimmy Corsetti 30:35 Yep.

Joe Rogan 30:35 Like, this is like real hardcore geological evidence. So, if we know that there were structures before that, which we do now because of Gobekli Tepe and a few other places-

Jimmy Corsetti 30:45 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:45 ... that they're r- reasonably sure were, uh, pre 11,000 years ago, 12,000 years ago-

Jimmy Corsetti 30:50 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 30:51 ... then we know that something was around back then that was very sophisticated. How-

Jimmy Corsetti 30:55 Yep.

Joe Rogan 30:55 ... sophisticated we don't know. But then the other thing is like, how much would be left? You know, if you ever seen those, uh, photographs of Detroit, um-

Jimmy Corsetti 31:03 No.

Joe Rogan 31:03 ... that, where you see houses that are being consumed by trees?

Jimmy Corsetti 31:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:08 And, uh, there's, there's some great ones in Russia as well, where they have, uh, these photographers have taken to going into these abandoned cities and watching the, the, the nature, like watching trees and the greenery consume these houses. But in Detroit, we're only talking about a couple decades. You've got trees growing through the center of houses, so the houses had holes in them, rain came in through the holes.

Jimmy Corsetti 31:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:36 There's holes in the floor. Something, whether it's a tree or something, grew up through the floorboards, burst through the floorboards. See if you can find some of those images, Jamie, 'cause they're really fascinating. And so for people to just get an understanding of timescale, what we're looking at in these images-

Jimmy Corsetti 31:53 Quick one I found real fast.

Joe Rogan 31:55 Yeah, so that was one-

Jimmy Corsetti 31:56 Not for that house, but-

Joe Rogan 31:57 Yeah. So, it's one from 2009 and then you see it from 2013. It's, it's basically consuming that house. So in 2009, you just have a house in between two houses. In 2013, the house is abandoned and it's being consumed by trees.

Jimmy Corsetti 32:14 It looks like it's been condemned. It looks like it's gonna fall in on e- itself pretty soon.

Joe Rogan 32:18 Well, yeah, but it's four years.

Jimmy Corsetti 32:20 That's, it's wild. And so-

Joe Rogan 32:21 That's what's crazy. In four years, I mean, if you came back four years later and you saw that the house is abandoned... Like, right now, in 2009, it looks like a normal house. Like, you drive by, "Oh, there's a house."

Jimmy Corsetti 32:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:31 In 2013, you go, "Oh, uh, the house is getting eaten by trees." But there's some other ones from Detroit, Jamie, where you can see houses where the trees are actually growing up through the center of the house.

Jimmy Corsetti 32:44 I'll find one. I just, uh-

Joe Rogan 32:44 Okay, no worries.

Jimmy Corsetti 32:45 ... wasn't looking for that right away.

Joe Rogan 32:45 No worries. But my point is, this is just a few years.

Jimmy Corsetti 32:48 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:49 If you go a few hundred years, everything's gone.

Jimmy Corsetti 32:52 Look at the Titanic. Granted, it's under the ocean, but in just over, a little more than 100 years-

Joe Rogan 32:57 Look at that one.

Jimmy Corsetti 32:58 ... it's more than 50% gone already.

Joe Rogan 33:00 Look at that one right there.

Jimmy Corsetti 33:01 Oh, (laughs) that's, that's good.

Joe Rogan 33:03 That's crazy.

Jimmy Corsetti 33:03 I like that. (laughs) Look at that.

Joe Rogan 33:05 Yeah, that's 60 years. Like, this house has been absolutely consumed by trees.

Jimmy Corsetti 33:10 You know, Joe, people ask, they'll say, "Well, where's the rest of the evidence?" I'm like... All right, so first of all, metal rusts away.

Joe Rogan 33:16 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 33:16 Some people say, "Well, what about the plastic?" I'm like, "Who said they did plastic?" And by the way, if they were to, what makes you think that they would choose petroleum for it? Because, uh, the hemp plant grew, used to grow naturally throughout the world before it was eradicated, and you can make completely biodegradable hard plastic out of hemp plant.

Joe Rogan 33:33 Yeah, you can. And, uh, this is something we absolutely should be doing right now. And-

Jimmy Corsetti 33:37 How, da-... No, no, no. How, how-

Joe Rogan 33:39 How dare you.

Jimmy Corsetti 33:39 ... dare you, Joe? That-

Joe Rogan 33:40 How dare you?

Jimmy Corsetti 33:40 You got big oil, come on now. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 33:41 Isn't it fascinating though, when you think about the idea that these civilizations were super advanced, but did it in an incredibly different way than the way we're doing it? Like, we think that the only way to be super advanced is to have heavy machinery, to have electronics, to have, you know, uh, 5G wireless internet access and all these different things. But what they did, somehow, was figure out a way how to cut these immense stones and move them from hundreds of miles away. And they figured how to do this where they left behind no evidence of the construction.

Jimmy Corsetti 34:20 It's wild. And this is one reason, Joe, I want you to get to Egypt so bad, because when you see these stones... So, I had a really... In my own mind, I remember thinking what it would, picturing what it would look like, before I went to Egypt, what it would look like in person. Joe, it's bigger and far more... Everything's bigger and far more impressive in person, and the pictures never do it justice. Y- I went over there with an ultra-wide cameraing, uh, lens, and like, you know, that's the only way to get the full capture of many of these stones, but yet it distorts. It doesn't show you just how big they are. So one of the things I like to do is have somebody stand next to it and then take the photo, 'cause then you can actually, uh, appreciate-

Joe Rogan 34:57 Yeah, I saw pictures of you next to it, and you're about 5'10". Is that what you are?

Jimmy Corsetti 35:00 I'm, yep, yep. I try to stay at home.

Joe Rogan 35:01 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 35:02 5'10" so people could be, like, just-

Joe Rogan 35:03 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 35:03 ... you know, average-sized guy, just th- that-

Joe Rogan 35:05 Yeah, there you go.

Jimmy Corsetti 35:05 Oh, okay. Yeah, look at this.

Joe Rogan 35:06 I see that. Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 35:06 That is a 125-ton stone.

Joe Rogan 35:10 Okay.

Jimmy Corsetti 35:10 That is... Oh, pr- uh, shout out to my Instagram, brightinsight. (laughs) Just k- just, hey, j- let me just say real quick.

Joe Rogan 35:15 Bright_insight on Instagram.

Jimmy Corsetti 35:16 Yeah, but just to clarify, there's another channel called Bright Inside.

Joe Rogan 35:21 Oh.

Jimmy Corsetti 35:21 I think they're ripping me off, to be honest, 'cause I... But that's another story. But, uh, I just wanted to clarify that. And, um, yeah, it's, Joe, it's actually kind of hilarious being on here right now because I never even shared my last name. The internet didn't know. Like if you type Bright Insight Corsetti... So I'm Jimmy Corsetti, to anyone listening, and I decided to keep my last name off the internet because when I first started this, I'm like, "All right, I'm talking all kinds of crazy topics, I don't want the attention, leave me alone." Um, but coming on here, it's like, why hold it back any, any more? Um, and so anyways, it's funny, like-

Joe Rogan 35:51 Nobody gives a shit.

Jimmy Corsetti 35:52 Yeah, no, uh, who gives a shit?

Joe Rogan 35:53 It's, it's the name.

Jimmy Corsetti 35:53 Yeah, exactly. And, and, and the funny thing is, Joe, it's like... Well, yeah, whatever.

Joe Rogan 35:57 Well, look at these images, man. This, these stones... What's fascinating to me is how they're uneven, but yet they're perfectly fit into place. I mean, but what I mean by uneven is they're a bunch of different shapes. It, the, for, for the people that are just listening if- and if you go to the Bright_insight Instagram page, there's plenty of, uh, images that Jimmy has up here, but these stones are much, much taller than him. They're immense and they're these weird shapes, but yet they fit into each other perfectly.But what's crazy also is they're smooth in some places where they, like... It's almost, like, artistic, right?

Jimmy Corsetti 36:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:38 Like, the way they jumbled them all together, but, like, perfectly fit them.

Jimmy Corsetti 36:43 So-

Joe Rogan 36:44 Like, look at that. God, that's amazing.

Jimmy Corsetti 36:46 Scroll over again, Jamie, 'cause I'm gonna, I'm gonna wow you. Go one more time, I think. All right, so that stone right there is 17 feet tall above ground, and another 12 below. Or maybe it's the other way around, maybe it's 12 and then 17. I can't remember. But it's a 29-foot-long stone.

Joe Rogan 37:02 Jesus.

Jimmy Corsetti 37:02 At least 100 tons.

Joe Rogan 37:03 So they dug under the ground, or did-

Jimmy Corsetti 37:05 Yep.

Joe Rogan 37:05 ... the ground consume it?

Jimmy Corsetti 37:07 Uh, dug. Well, I believe.

Joe Rogan 37:09 Hard to say.

Jimmy Corsetti 37:09 That's what I was told. Um-

Joe Rogan 37:11 Right. It's hard to say because, like a lot of the structures in ancient Egypt, especially, like, the Old Kingdom, they found them underneath where they were buried by sand.

Jimmy Corsetti 37:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:19 Which is obviously very different than... Well, this is just hard dirt?

Jimmy Corsetti 37:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:23 And where in Egypt was this?

Jimmy Corsetti 37:25 Oh, I'm sorry, this is Peru. So this is S-

Joe Rogan 37:26 Oh, this is Machu Picchu?

Jimmy Corsetti 37:28 Uh, no. This is... So this is, uh, Sacsayhuaman is what they... it's called. And it's these huge polygonal walls, these terraces and, um... All right, 'cause I can see it on there. I'm such a nerd, Joe. You gotta s-... So-

Joe Rogan 37:37 Wow, look at that doorway.

Jimmy Corsetti 37:39 (laughs) It's, it's, it's huge. And that first picture we were showing you that I said was 125 tons? Just to put it into perspective for people, that's more than three 737-800s, which is, like, a common, say, Southwest jet. Heavier than three of those suckers, one... That one stone. And it's like, how the...

Joe Rogan 37:56 (laughs)

Jimmy Corsetti 37:56 And they're not even entirely sure where it came from. Th- it's like, how did they m-... How did they move it? Yeah, see, I put this in there. I'm s-... I'm into planes, Joe. So-

Joe Rogan 38:03 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 38:03 ... for comparison, 'cause I also made the comparison that it's, uh, 20,000 pounds heavier than a 767-400, which is a wide-body jetliner.

Joe Rogan 38:10 Can you go back, Jamie? Go back one.

Narrator 38:12 Nope.

Joe Rogan 38:12 It d- it doesn't matter. That's fine. These, um, stones, do they have an idea of where the quarry was?

Jimmy Corsetti 38:20 It... Not exactly. It's at least 20 miles here. But, like, it... There's other places, say, Egypt, where you have, like, these 70-ton stone blocks that were moved more than 500 miles.

Joe Rogan 38:30 Yeah, and they... The only boats that they had that we know of were completely incapable of carrying something like that.

Jimmy Corsetti 38:37 That's correct. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean they didn't have something that's since gone away.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 38:41 But I wanna... I have to say something, because I know exactly... 'Cause there's so many people out there that will cite, um... There was a discovery a handful of years ago of this papyrus that had, uh... It was essentially a receipt for limestone blocks that were brought up the Nile and delivered to Giza.

Joe Rogan 38:57 Oh.

Jimmy Corsetti 38:57 And many people have said, "Uh..." See, this is... There was such clickbait fraud headlines about it saying th-... You know, "Papyrus describing how they built the pyramids." That is the biggest clip, clickbait nonsense, because if you actually look at what was detailed on it, it doesn't say anything. It doesn't s-... Use the word pyramid. It doesn't say what they were used for. All it says is, "Horizon of Khufu." And so what some people interpret that to mean is that the alleged, uh, pharaoh who built the Great Pyramid, his name was Khufu. And that Horizon of Khufu essentially could indicate, oh, his resting place, as in horizon being to the west, where you go when you die. That's all that thing says. And it was already known, Joe, that some of the blocks were brought to Giza. So, I just want to point that out 'cause I know that people are gonna Google this stuff and be like, "Oh, no, no, we know exactly how they did it." I'm like, it-

Joe Rogan 39:44 I l-... I like how you use this goofy voice.

Jimmy Corsetti 39:46 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:46 You have your dissenters. All your dissenters have goofy voices.

Jimmy Corsetti 39:49 Uh... Oh, you're gonna, "As you see here, you got this papyrus that will explain everything."

Joe Rogan 39:52 So, this-

Jimmy Corsetti 39:52 It doesn't.

Joe Rogan 39:52 This... So this papyrus is, uh, some kind of a receipt? Is that the idea?

Jimmy Corsetti 39:57 Yeah. It was... It was, um... I forgot... Yes, it was, uh, f-... I'm tr-... Forgetting his name off the top, but it was a gentleman and he was moving blocks. And, um... But the thing that people need to realize is that there are u-... There are hundreds and hundreds of other structures right around the Great Pyramid that are unbelievably smaller, and the blocks are unbeliev- unbelievably smaller than the ones in the pyramid. There was a lot of things that were built there over a few thousand years. So it's like, that... Uh... (sighs) It doesn't prove that it was for the pyramid, and I don't think it is. But who knows? 'Cause I know how the skeptics are.

Joe Rogan 40:26 Well, either way.

Jimmy Corsetti 40:26 So I want to be open-minded, but, like, the reality is that it does not say pyramid. It doesn't describe how it was... anything it was constructed. It's worth saying.

Joe Rogan 40:33 But either way, it is, uh, a limestone r- receipt.

Jimmy Corsetti 40:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:36 So, there, there was some sort of trade in these stones. And is there any depictions of transport of these blocks?

Jimmy Corsetti 40:45 Zero, except there is one that was... I don't know if it was the Tomb of Renkhore or whatever. I might be getting the name wrong. But the... It shows a 58-ton statue that they dragged on sleds, and sh-... Seems to depict them pouring water. But it's worth mentioning-

Joe Rogan 41:03 Wh- what is that one? How does someone find that?

Jimmy Corsetti 41:06 I, uh, I in... (sighs) I'd have to... I mean, I have it on my... I brought my computer. I just don't have it in here with me. Um, I wish I could show it to you. Type in "Egyptians sled statue" and that will... Google will bring that up under Google Image.

Joe Rogan 41:20 Is that it right there?

Jimmy Corsetti 41:21 Boom. So that's a recreation because this was destroyed and damaged, but someone had interpreted it.

Joe Rogan 41:26 Uh, was destroyed and damaged how?

Jimmy Corsetti 41:27 Uh, I believe it was water flooding. There was different places... I, I could be wrong on that, but yeah, a lot of-

Joe Rogan 41:31 Can you click on that, Jamie, so we can see it larger?

Jimmy Corsetti 41:33 But they're showing... That's what was allegedly depicted. I use allegedly just 'cause we can't see it today, but I don't have any doubt. I'm just saying. But, so the t-...

Narrator 41:40 When... Well, hold, s-... Slow down.

Jimmy Corsetti 41:42 Sorry.

Joe Rogan 41:42 When... We're talking about this like, when was this destroyed?

Jimmy Corsetti 41:45 Oh, not long a-... In, um, 1850. Something like that.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Scroll down, Jamie, so we can see the head of it.

Jimmy Corsetti 41:51 A hundred something years ago.

Joe Rogan 41:52 Scrolling down. Down, Jamie. Yeah, so we get the full image. Look how... So, the idea is that you got all these guys pulling. It's on a sled.

Jimmy Corsetti 42:00 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 42:00 And they're pouring water. And how old do they think this image was?

Jimmy Corsetti 42:04 I believe, if I remember right, 3,500 years.

Joe Rogan 42:07 Well, that seems pretty reasonable.

Jimmy Corsetti 42:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:09 That they moved it this way.

Jimmy Corsetti 42:10 I-

Joe Rogan 42:10 Have you ever seen those, uh, videos of... From the 1930s of them moving entire buildings? Like, huge buildings?

Jimmy Corsetti 42:18 I haven't seen that.

Joe Rogan 42:19 See, see if you can find the time-lapse videos of them moving buildings from the 1930s. Not only did they move these buildings, like, several inches a day, and they completely rotated, like, 180 degrees, the... Where the foundation of the building lay. But they also kept the power and electricity and the gas on.

Narrator 42:37 Yeah. This one I just saw That's wild.

Joe Rogan 42:39 This is, this is it.

Jimmy Corsetti 42:41 ... people didn't quit working the entire time.

Joe Rogan 42:43 Yeah. The people-

Jimmy Corsetti 42:44 Jesus!

Joe Rogan 42:44 ... that were in the building kept working.

Jimmy Corsetti 42:45 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:45 So it's an eight story, 11,000 ton Indiana Bell Building rotation in 1930. So in 1930, first of all, you have to take into consideration the sophistication of the machinery was very different than what we have today. I mean, most of these buildings were made with bricks. They, they, you know, they had steel beams and structures. Like, I'm sure you've seen the, those construction photos of these guys that were eating lunch on a, on a beam high above New York City-

Jimmy Corsetti 43:13 Yes.

Joe Rogan 43:13 ... which is fucking wild.

Jimmy Corsetti 43:15 Never do that. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:15 That scares the shit outta... I get sweaty hands just looking at those pictures.

Jimmy Corsetti 43:19 I'm not even afraid of heights, but that's-

Joe Rogan 43:20 Go back to that video, please. But that video of this, uh, building. I mean, you think about it, this is in 1930. And, you know, obviously we can do much more today than we could then. But what they did... Play it.

Narrator 43:34 Oh, it's only 10 seconds.

Joe Rogan 43:35 Yeah, I know. But when you watch this happen, like, this is fucking wild, man. They, they moved this entire building.

Jimmy Corsetti 43:43 I am... Let me just say, I am less impressed by the moving of things 'cause technically, like, if you use wedges, you could lift a whole house, so just keep jamming them in there.

Joe Rogan 43:50 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 43:50 It's kinda like... So, although I... One random thought I'm having is that, with that prior, uh, illustration of that 58 ton statue, there's other ones in Egypt called The Colossi of Memnon, and those are 720 tons apiece, and they were carved estimated from a one, out of one piece of stone, 1000 ton stone.

Joe Rogan 44:09 Jesus.

Jimmy Corsetti 44:09 And moved, and moved tremendous distances. So I'd like to see that done, but I would think that that same method could be done to scale, and so I don't disagree with it. What I am curious about, Joe, is how they got those 120 or 130 70 ton granite blocks more than 300 feet up into the Great Pyramid alleged King Chamber.

Joe Rogan 44:26 Yeah. Well, this, um... These images and that, that building... That's a good point, is that this not made with enormous stones.

Jimmy Corsetti 44:33 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:33 This is... Even though the building itself's enormous, we know that piece by piece, it wasn't, wasn't really that big.

Jimmy Corsetti 44:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 44:39 Except for the beams and some of the, like, structural elements of it. But if you look at some of those King's Chamber, uh, stones, I mean, my God. And they're so perfectly cut.

Jimmy Corsetti 44:49 It's unreal. It's unreal, Joe. And that's the thing that impresses me more is the cuts themselves.

Joe Rogan 44:54 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 44:54 Because the Egyptians are said to be a Bronze Age culture, which means that's supposed to be the most sophisticated type of tooling that they had. However, when modern tests have been done and, you know, testing it on granite and limestone, it's failed miserably. And, and what I mean by that is that you can technically cut these things in half, but it takes a tremendous amount of time. And if they were alleged... Because each pyramid... And keep in mind, there's more like... Something like 118 pyramids in Egypt. A lot of people don't realize that. They just think of the th- you know, the three big ones in Giza. But all of these, if they were l- said to be tombs for the pharaohs, which I don't agree with, um, and for a variety of reasons, they were all said to be done in a chronological order and within a certain period of time. And I'm like, when you're talking tens of millions of stone blocks in aggregate, 'cause like the Great Pyramid is 2.3 million, you have the other couple that are a couple million a pop, and then it doesn't include all the other tens of millions of blocks that make up statues, casing stones, other buildings. Literally, I mean, I estimate, and this is just a ballpark, but it, there had to have been at least 50 million stones cut throughout ancient Egypt. And I'm like, when you're doing it with methods that can barely get in, more than an inch an hour? And by that I'm talking a, a copper saw, and they pour in sand and water, and essentially the quartzite particles are what's cutting it. But Joe, it's so slow, and not to mention the precision is nowhere near it. And so it's like, it, it's a mystery. Like they don't, uh... 'Cause there's a few things people need to know is that nowhere, in all the tens of thousands of hieroglyphs found throughout ancient Egypt, not one single one of them shows anything about them cutting stone, nor does it show anything depicting the construction of a pyramid. Nothing.

Joe Rogan 46:38 Well, we lost a lot during the Library of Alexandria burning, right?

Jimmy Corsetti 46:42 Well, yes. Although, I've... So I made a video on that years ago saying that, you know, the stupid Caesar burnt that thing down. But you know, I'm starting to think, Joe, like, the Caesars were highly intelligent and they, they were gatherers, gatherers of information and documented everything. I'm like, "You know, Joe, they kept that." I would have raided that thing, took all that information. And now it gets me thinking about like, you know, Vatican archives and stuff.

Joe Rogan 47:04 Yeah, but hold on a second. You weren't there, right? Like, uh, Ca- Caesar probably wasn't there either. They sent-

Jimmy Corsetti 47:08 No, he didn't. This was-

Joe Rogan 47:09 They sent people.

Jimmy Corsetti 47:10 Well, okay. Right, but he invaded. They-

Joe Rogan 47:13 Yeah. They invaded, but do you think like he was there? Like, they, they probably had a bunch of barbarians at the helm, and these savages were bloodthirsty and they're getting-

Jimmy Corsetti 47:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:21 ... crazy and killing people and taking over Egypt. They lit shit on fire.

Jimmy Corsetti 47:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:25 They probably weren't even thinking like-

Jimmy Corsetti 47:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:27 ... that, hey, the, the actual construction methods that, you know, we could pass down from generation to generation are here.

Jimmy Corsetti 47:34 It's possible.

Joe Rogan 47:35 I don't know.

Jimmy Corsetti 47:35 I don't know either.

Joe Rogan 47:35 So you think they kept it in the Vatican?

Jimmy Corsetti 47:37 Well, well, no, no. That's... Hold on. That is a fun topic. I don't, I don't... I'm not convinced of it. It just seems to me that throughout war people, gather intelligence whenever, like, they capture somebody-

Joe Rogan 47:46 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Corsetti 47:46 ... or they kill them. And it just seems to me that the Caesars would have possibly... Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Maybe they burnt it all down or maybe they kept that stuff because-

Joe Rogan 47:54 Have you been in the Vatican?

Jimmy Corsetti 47:56 No.

Joe Rogan 47:56 It's wild.

Jimmy Corsetti 47:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:57 The Vatican's confusing. Yeah, 'cause there's so much shit there. You... I, I knew that there was an im- immense amount of artwork there. But, um, when you actually go there and you see the billions and billions of dollars worth of art that was accumulated over, who knows how many hundreds if not thousands of years, it's pretty shocking.

Jimmy Corsetti 48:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:19 It's like a wh- a raider's hoard.

Jimmy Corsetti 48:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:21 I mean, that's really what it is. It's like, the, they-

Jimmy Corsetti 48:25 Well, yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:26 They clearly stole all this shit. (laughs)

Jimmy Corsetti 48:27 Yeah. It's like, the Romans... You gotta think about... 'Cause that all originates from the Romans.

Joe Rogan 48:31 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 48:31 I just want to remind everybody that like, when they took over like a quarter of the world's population, all of Europe, they didn't like show up and like, "Hey, you know, we'd like to just... Could we have your land?" Like, everyone that didn't speak their language was a barbarian, and they, they pillaged, raped, and took-

Joe Rogan 48:44 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 48:44 ... and just stole it.

Joe Rogan 48:45 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 48:45 Like, "It's ours now."

Joe Rogan 48:47 ... yeah, and they have it all in one spot. And that one spot is also its own country, which is weird.

Jimmy Corsetti 48:53 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:53 It's its own country inside Italy, so it has its own extradition laws, which is great because it happens to be overrun with pedophiles.

Jimmy Corsetti 49:01 (laughs) It ... Th- e- yes.

Joe Rogan 49:03 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 49:03 This is true.

Joe Rogan 49:03 It's pretty fucked.

Jimmy Corsetti 49:04 And, and, and, and meanwhile, they have 53 miles of shelf space within that archive. That's why I always get my conspiracy ideas going because it's like, no one's allowed in there. You have to be a certain academic and you have to get permission, and not only ... so n- you can't just go browse it.

Joe Rogan 49:19 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 49:19 You have to specifically request what you want to look at.

Joe Rogan 49:22 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Corsetti 49:23 And the issue with that is that if you don't know it exists, how do you know to ask for it? So it's like, who knows what type of information could be in there? I'm not suggesting that they're, that the shelves are lined with secrets from Egypt or anything, but it does make me wonder wh- I mean, that's a ... 53 miles of shelf space is, is a astronomical amount of old ancient texts.

Joe Rogan 49:43 Yeah, it really is. It's, um, it's pretty fascinating that this one country, or this one, uh, whatever you want to call the Vatican, has accumulated such a, an immense stash of artwork, and of, of knowledge and of information. And just the, just the tapestries alone that they have.

Jimmy Corsetti 50:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:02 You, you just g- pass by the paintings and the sculptures. It's like, it's really mind-blowing. Like I, I, I did it over the course of a couple of days, but I think you need months.

Jimmy Corsetti 50:12 I imagine.

Joe Rogan 50:12 To go and really pay attention to it, to try to get a grasp of what the fuck they were d- And also, like, it's really weird, like, all the depictions of the men, they have tiny penises. And the ... I asked the ... We had this guy who was a professor who was the, uh, our guide. We hired a private guide. He's really s- really fun, really int- an intelligent guy. But he said that they thought of large penises as being animalistic and barbaric.

Jimmy Corsetti 50:38 I've heard this.

Joe Rogan 50:39 And so they have these men with these perfect bodies, like these Greek gods, these tiny, tiny little penises.

Jimmy Corsetti 50:46 You know what ... (laughs) You know what I think?

Joe Rogan 50:48 What?

Jimmy Corsetti 50:49 Well, whoever carved that stone maybe had a small dick and wanted to be like-

Joe Rogan 50:52 (laughs)

Jimmy Corsetti 50:53 ... "This is ... See, this is normal. This is what it looks like." 'Cause I'm sorry, if you were, if you were doing quite well and were endowed, I think it is a natural thing for women to like that, assuming that you're not too big. And so, I mean, this is reality, so I ... it wouldn't have been any different, you know, 'cause people have always made fun of small dicks because, like, you're not doing much for your lady potentially. And so maybe this i- these guys were carvers, right? They were some artsy guys, and they had s- they weren't packing.

Joe Rogan 51:15 But maybe if back then, if they, you know, the idea was that they were trying to get away from barbarism, they were trying to get away from these raiding hordes of, of beast-like men who came, like maybe they really did think of, like, godlike men as having, like, smaller penises. I mean, thing ... The weird thing about, like, aesthetics and what people like and don't like is that it changes over time, right? Like at one point in time, really overweight women were s- considered attractive because really overweight women had access to food.

Jimmy Corsetti 51:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:46 Whereas really thin women were considered, like, sad and poor.

Jimmy Corsetti 51:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:50 Like, you ... Like a model of today, if she went back to, like, the Renaissance, they would look at her like, "This poor girl."

Jimmy Corsetti 51:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:57 You know?

Jimmy Corsetti 51:58 Um, yeah. I ... It just seems to me 'cause like when you see that beautiful statue or statues, eh, that penis is so small, Joe. They could have made it a little bit bigger is all I'm saying, and still not been barbaric.

Joe Rogan 52:09 I understand.

Jimmy Corsetti 52:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:10 But I mean, this is-

Jimmy Corsetti 52:11 I mean, I'm being humorous, but like-

Joe Rogan 52:11 ... what this guy ... I know you aren't. But this is what this guy was telling me, that this is what they were ... I mean, you're talking about a time, you know, 1,000, 2,000 years ago, where you're dealing with the Roman Empire, you're dealing with the, the Germans and the, the barbarians and the, the Mongols and the Khans, and there's so much chaos and barbarism. There's so much slaughter and the just hardcore hand-to-hand combat. And Genghis Khan was lighting bodies on fire and launching them in catapults and, like, it was wild times. So I think that maybe they were just, like, trying to express, like, uh, uh, a, a more delicate side of nature and mankind.

Jimmy Corsetti 52:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:54 Anyway, it's not that important.

Jimmy Corsetti 52:55 Yeah. It's a fun topic.

Joe Rogan 52:56 But what is ... What is important is that they, they did have in the center of, um, one of their courtyards, they have an obelisk from Egypt-

Jimmy Corsetti 53:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:07 ... that they had imported somehow or another, this fucking immense stone obelisk. I took a photo of it. I know it's on my phone somewhere, but I'm not gonna find it right now. But, uh, it, they brought it from Egypt.

Jimmy Corsetti 53:19 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 53:19 And that's not close.

Jimmy Corsetti 53:21 No.

Joe Rogan 53:21 You know, and they figured out a way to get that thing there, pff, who knows how many fucking years ago.

Jimmy Corsetti 53:26 Uh, I forgot. It, it was, it was like 100 or so years. I could be wrong, but I know that they ... These obelisks have been brought over everywhere. It's not just Rome. They're in France, they're in London, it's in New York. It's kind of weird 'cause-

Joe Rogan 53:38 New York has obelisks?

Jimmy Corsetti 53:39 They, they have one in Central Park.

Joe Rogan 53:41 Really?

Jimmy Corsetti 53:41 I'm pretty ... I'm 90% certain.

Joe Rogan 53:42 Oh, that's right.

Jimmy Corsetti 53:43 I've showed you this before.

Joe Rogan 53:43 We talked about this.

Jimmy Corsetti 53:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Yes, that's right. That's right. Yeah, but go to-

Jimmy Corsetti 53:46 It was a gift.

Joe Rogan 53:46 Yeah, go to that photo 'cause that's fucking wild. We have an Egyptian obelisk in Central Park. What was the significance of the obelisk? Why were the Egypts ... Why were the Egyptians, uh, really interested in that particular shape?

Jimmy Corsetti 53:58 It's a good question. I don't th- to be arr-

Joe Rogan 54:00 There it is.

Jimmy Corsetti 54:00 Joe, I don't think anyone can say with certainty.

Joe Rogan 54:03 Cleopatra's Needle. Go back there, please.

Jimmy Corsetti 54:05 Yeah, look at that.

Joe Rogan 54:06 The description. Cleopatra's Needle in New York ... No, go back.

Narrator 54:09 Oh, this one.

Joe Rogan 54:09 Right there. Yeah. Cleopatra's Needle in New York City is one of three similarly named Egyptian obelisks erected in Central Park west of the metrotomp- metropolip- uh, Metropolitan Museum of Art in Manhattan in January 22nd, 1881. Wow.

Jimmy Corsetti 54:24 That's pretty cool.

Joe Rogan 54:25 It is very cool. Look how big it is.

Jimmy Corsetti 54:26 Although they ... It's worth mentioning though, Joe, like, Egypt has com- been completely rat fucked. It, it has been looted over millennia. You had-

Joe Rogan 54:35 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 54:35 ... the ancient Greeks invaded, the Romans invaded. I mean, Alexander the Great went through. Like, it's ... The ... Egypt was, for whatever reason, a highly desirable spot where it has been completely, numerous times over history, has been just completely decimated and stolen and, and everything else.

Joe Rogan 54:55 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 54:55 And I find that interesting, Joe, 'cause I'm like, they were drawn to it for, for who knows how many different reasons. I mean, why, what, why would they feel... Over thousands of years people have been trying to take that place over, and have, actually. 'Cause even the British, like, when you look at, like, their mar- more modern history, Joe, that place has been completely screwed with for thousands of years. And it's worth mentioning that if you go back to the alleged pyramid builders, which was said to be the Fourth Dynasty of 4,500 or so years ago-

Joe Rogan 55:28 Why do you say alleged? You don't think that they're the people that built it? There's pretty good evidence that it's 20-

Jimmy Corsetti 55:32 Somebody built it.

Joe Rogan 55:33 There's pretty good evidence that it's 2500 BC was the construction date of the pyramids, right?

Jimmy Corsetti 55:38 Well, yes, and I don't necessarily disagree with that. But here's, here's what I, my issue is, that a lot of people don't realize that... So that was said to be the Old Kingdom, and there's been three kingdoms, Joe, and three what they call intermediate periods. So for example, 4,500 or so years ago, Great Pyramid and the Pyramids of Giza. Within a thousand years after that, there was two periods of time where there's 300, approximately 345 years of lost history, and it's called inter- they call 'em intermediate periods. So it went from Old Kingdom intermediate period, which was like 120-something years, to Middle Kingdom, and then another one of, like, uh, 200-something years. So within less than a thousand years after the alleged times that they were built, they, there's more than 300, almost 350 years of, of... 'Cause there was turmoil, by the way. The intermediate periods were where there was revolts, it was complete, uh, overthrow of the dynasties, civil war. So I'm like, what is it that the reoccurring theme that we see whenever there's a war, you know, y- the, the, you know, history is written by the victor, so to speak. I think it was Winston Churchill that said that. And it's like, in those periods of time when whoever took over and took the power and claimed that kingdom for themselves, which may have been inter-, it may have been, like, you know, a civil war, revolt, whatever, revolution of some kind, that right there to me is indicative of lost history. So what I, my point that I'm getting at is that I don't know how much faith I put in that this alleged Fourth Dynasty was the ones that physically did it. I'm saying that maybe it was somebody else and those people claimed it for themselves, saying, "I did this," perhaps. Because it's like fi-... The implications of 340 plus years of lost history immediately after that, that I think there's something to be said for that. Because look at what ISIS did, Joe. Like, they went through Iraq. And so I'm a- Iraq War veteran, and I had the privilege of seeing these, um, Assyrian bulls. I think they're Sumerian because we found them completely buried in mud and dirt, and so I'm thinking, like, it goes back pre-Flood, so to speak, and that these...

Jimmy Corsetti 57:39 So ISIS went through and completely bulldozed them. They got jackhammers, and it's pretty wild. One of the f- I-

Joe Rogan 57:44 What do you, what are you saying they got jackhammers? They destroyed them? Is that what you're saying?

Jimmy Corsetti 57:47 Oh yeah. Uh, Jamie, will you please bring up the Gate of Nergal, or type in "Mosul ISIS ancient"? So what's so wild, Joe, is that I had a, I was at the right place at the right time in Mosul during my deployment in 2009 and '10 to be able to see and touch these things with my own eyes. And this is at the Gate of Nergal at the ancient city of Nineveh.

Joe Rogan 58:06 How old are these things, supposedly?

Jimmy Corsetti 58:08 Well, so they'll say, you know, like, 4,000 years old or so. I wonder if... No, so now what they're-

Joe Rogan 58:13 Oh, Jesus Christ, they're destroying these things?

Jimmy Corsetti 58:15 Wait.

Joe Rogan 58:15 Oh my God, this is horrible.

Jimmy Corsetti 58:17 I know, Joe.

Joe Rogan 58:18 Oh my God. Footage shows Islamic State militants in Iraq smashing statues with sledgehammers in a build to crush, a, a bid to crush what they call non-Islamic ideas. Oh my God, this is fucking horrible.

Jimmy Corsetti 58:30 It gets worse than this.

Joe Rogan 58:31 Oh my God.

Jimmy Corsetti 58:33 All right, so-

Joe Rogan 58:33 Oh my God, this is fucking terrible.

Jimmy Corsetti 58:36 (sighs) It's hard to see, man.

Joe Rogan 58:37 Oh my God.

Jimmy Corsetti 58:38 Fucking humans.

Joe Rogan 58:39 So they're destroying these thousands of year old artifacts.

Jimmy Corsetti 58:44 Yep.

Joe Rogan 58:44 And they're doing it with sledgehammers. Oh, Jesus Christ. This is crazy.

Jimmy Corsetti 58:49 Yep. And s-

Joe Rogan 58:51 Oh my God, these fucking idiots.

Jimmy Corsetti 58:55 So y- (sighs) yeah, see, those are jackhammers. But that's not even... This, these aren't even images I'm... All right, so there, that's where I was. That's the Gate of Nergal. The ancient city of Nineveh was said to be where Jonah had went after he escaped the whale from that story, the Biblical story. And so that's the same gate that allegedly he had went. And so Jamie, if you could just, um, bring up, um, 'cause there's a specific, a few articles that show that, that spot and these huge... Are you familiar with the winged bulls? They're called lamassu.

Joe Rogan 59:24 No.

Jimmy Corsetti 59:24 They're like 15 feet tall. You gotta see 'em, Jamie. This is, this is so worth it. Um, and so they, they, these things were unbelievably impressive, and they went through, ISIS, Joe, they, they got huge ec- uh, earth-moving equipment like dozers, and they... All right, there it is. This is what I'm talking about. So the, the, the picture on the upper left, that's exactly where I was, and there's a picture of ISIS, um-

Joe Rogan 59:49 God, these fucking idiots.

Jimmy Corsetti 59:50 Yeah, that... Right, so that picture with the, the guy in the bla- th- that. So I, I have a picture of me standing right in front of that.

Joe Rogan 59:55 Oh my God, he's just destroying that face.

Jimmy Corsetti 59:58 Yep.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Jimmy Corsetti 59:59 Mm-hmm. And it's wild because I remember seeing this on the news and being like, "Holy shit, I stood right there." And these things were so impressive and, and the artwork themselves, the precision of them was unbelievable. Huge pieces of granite, or maybe they were, they were quartzite.

Joe Rogan 1:00:15 Someone shoulda stepped in. I mean, we, uh, fucking Christ. If there's ever a reason to step in and stop morons from doing something horrific that is, like, a real priceless part of history, the history of the entire human race-

Jimmy Corsetti 1:00:30 Yep.

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 ... we shoulda stepped in. Someone shoulda stepped in to stop that. That is fucking priceless stuff.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:00:36 Yep. It's heartbreaking.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 God, it's horrible. Oh my God, look at that.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:00:41 So this is what gets my brain going, Joe. I'm like, this is, humans-

Joe Rogan 1:00:44 They've been doing this since 2014?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:00:46 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Just destroying these things?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:00:47 Well, they're done now.

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 It's all gone?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:00:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 Oh my God.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:00:51 They did their dirty work well, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:00:53 Fucking morons.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:00:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Jesus Christ, look at this. This is insane.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:01:00 So, that's what stands out in my mind, Joe, is that I'm like, you know...

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 God, that's horrific.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:01:05 Yeah. And it does, something tells me this isn't the first time-

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Oh, the way they destroyed that. Oh, my God.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:01:10 Mm-hmm. This can't be the first time humans have invaded a place and destroyed stuff from the past because they didn't want it to exist-

Joe Rogan 1:01:19 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:01:19 ... maybe for religious reasons or-

Joe Rogan 1:01:21 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:01:22 ... for whatever. And so when I hear about this lost history in Egypt immediately after the, the dynasty that was said to have built the pyramids, it makes me wonder what history was lost in that process by either claiming it for themselves, like, "I did this," and then- and then essentially, that was passed down to something we- we are talking about today.

Joe Rogan 1:01:41 God, this is hard, so hard to watch. You look at those images, it's so hard to watch. You know, because, uh, I've been obsessed with, uh, the ancient Middle East as well, and like the ancient Sumerians and Mesopotamia and the, you know, basically the cradle of civilization, of- of what we know of civilization. To see them just destroy those things, like fucking Christ.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:02:04 Some of the oldest relics ever now-

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 Mm.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:02:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:07 God, it's so disturbing.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:02:09 Humans, huh?

Joe Rogan 1:02:10 It's not humans, it's morons.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:02:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Most humans would revere those things.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:02:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 Most humans would look at those things and say, "My God," like, "What incredible structures," and like, "This is a window into the past," and we could try to figure out, like what- what these people were like and what- what life was like.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:02:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:28 Fucking God. Jesus. (exhales) It's hard to say.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:02:35 It is. And c-

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 And there was no effort to stop that?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:02:38 None, Joe. So this is, this was the hardest thing for me, Joe, is that, so I volunteered to go to Iraq. I beli- I, I was inspired by 9/11. Um, I, so I volunteered to go there 'cause I thought it was liberating the Iraqi people. And coming home and seeing that and the way the... So the, one of the worst things you could say that happened when ISIS invaded is that they killed off the Yazidi people, which were a completely peaceful people who lived in essentially northern Iraq, Kurdistan, and these people were absolutely harmless. Um, and they came through and they killed the men and they took the women. So along with killing the, or beating up those statues, they were also completely decimating the people themselves.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Genocide.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:03:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:20 Yeah. But, and this is modern humans, which are, relatively speaking, are less vicious and less barbaric. I mean, if you study like Steven Pinker's work, as you go f- back in history, people are more violent. As you go forward in history, life is safer and you have less crime and less rape, less murder.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:03:43 So, going back to your point when we were talking about the Romans and the savages and the, you know, the l- the barbarians. So let's back up another 2,500 years before even them, which would be like Great Pyramid of Giza time. So isn't it fair to say that those people would've been capable of destroying and just doing their dirty work? Well, you know, despicable, barbaric savagery. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:04:10 So it makes me wonder, like I think that there is... Okay, so for example, when I was saying that there's no depictions of any kind of how they cut these stones.

Joe Rogan 1:04:17 Right.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:04:17 I- I think it's 'cause someone destroyed that, honestly. I don't think it's 'cause they didn't record it somewhere, I think it's just somewhere along the line, somebody beat the shit out of it. What-

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 Well, there's no dispute of that. That's what the- the concept of the burning of the library of Alexander. That's what most people believe.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:04:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 The- the theory is that they went in there and lit everything on fire.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:04:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 And that's where all the records were. Now, out of the build- out of the construction does- that is depicted in the pyramids, is there any construction of the flooring? Like, 'cause there's immense stones they used for just the floors.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:04:51 Yeah. So-

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Is there any of that?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:04:53 Zero, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 No?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:04:54 Literally zero. The only depiction of any kind goes from the, uh, tomb of Ren Kere or something. If I'm, uh, it's hard to pronounce. But it just shows some guys dressing a stone and also a statue with some chisels. It doesn't show how they cut the blocks.

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Does it... What- what is the name of the, uh...

Jimmy Corsetti 1:05:13 R-E-N-I-E-K-E-R-E-I think. But I think I'm misspelling it, to be honest. Um, and it, but it doesn't show anything about cutting or anything. And- and- and one of the things, Joe, is that there is different clear technology, um, in the- in the works of the Egyptians. You have some that's incredibly crude, and some of it truly megalithic and spectacular. And what I argue and others do as well, is that simply you're looking at two different things done by different people in different periods of time that had different capabilities. And some were more impressive than others.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 And what's interesting is, at least as far as carbon dating, some of the least impressive stuff is the later stuff.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:05:51 That's what's so interesting, Joe.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:05:53 Is that the most spectacular stuff is the oldest.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:05:55 And that's why, to me, I wonder, one, if the pyramids could be older. And if not, I think that our understanding is... 'Cause it's one of two ways. Either they're older and we have since, because of time and the sands of time, have lost how they did it, or our understanding of what the dyn- so-called dynastic Egyptians were up to 4,500 years ago is just significantly different than what we know today.

Joe Rogan 1:06:18 But, correct me if I'm wrong, but they have carbon dated some of the material that's inside of the cracks of some of the stones, and that's where they come up with this 2,500 BC.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:06:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:30 I think even Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson and Robert Schoch-

Jimmy Corsetti 1:06:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 ... and all these other people that are arguing for an earlier date for some of the construction, they believe that like the Great Pyramid of Giza, that that one is 2,500 BC.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:06:45 They certainly do, and I'm not disagreeing. It is possible though that the Egyptians had restored those casing stones. Because if you look at the Great Sphinx, it's already known, like so the Great Sphinx is supposed to be 4,200 years old, but something like 100 or 200 years after that is the evidence of the first restorations of adding more casing stones.

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:07:07 And so it's like, well, maybe that happened to the pyramid as well. So technically, it doesn't...... prove that that is the birth of the Great Pyramid, but that the earliest evidence of when humans had did something to it since. But let me just say, let me be cr- clear. I'm not suggesting, and I haven't said in a video, that I think that the pyramids are 12,000 years old. I just... What I think is that the... The reality is that it's a mystery. We don't know how they did it.

Joe Rogan 1:07:32 Can, can I ask you this? Like-

Jimmy Corsetti 1:07:33 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 ... what, when they, when they... The thing about carbon dating is you don't really do that with rocks.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:07:39 You can't.

Joe Rogan 1:07:39 'Cause if you did, everything would be billions of years old.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:07:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:42 Right? Because these rocks are billions of years old.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:07:42 Yeah, you cannot date stone.

Joe Rogan 1:07:44 Right. So, what are they... They're using pieces of material that they find at the site, under the ground-

Jimmy Corsetti 1:07:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:53 ... like, next to it, and then they kinda get a rough idea?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:07:56 Sure.

Joe Rogan 1:07:56 Is that the idea?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:07:57 Anything that's organic. Anything that-

Joe Rogan 1:07:59 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:07:59 ... you know, anything that was whether it's a piece of wood-

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 Wood. Yeah.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:08:01 ... or an ancient piece of leaf that's, you know, stuck to a rock or something. So, yeah, to me, all it proves is that somebody had done something to it then. I don't think it 100% proves it was done, built originally then. It's possibly re- they restored it, because if we know that the re- there's no discrepancy on, on the restoration of the Sphinx. In fact, it shows that it's been restored several times. Even the Romans restored it. But the earliest, um, the earliest restoration was something less than, uh...

Joe Rogan 1:08:29 How did the Romans restore it? What did they do?

Jimmy Corsetti 1:08:31 They just added casing stones to it. It's actually pretty wild to see, um... You gotta see it in person or, or, or a picture of it for me to show you, but, like, just adding stones over it to make it look better, I guess. Like, just to fill in-

Joe Rogan 1:08:40 Yeah, I know they've done that more recently with the paws.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:08:43 Significantly, actually.

Joe Rogan 1:08:44 It's kind of, it kinda sucks that they did it.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:08:45 I agree.

Joe Rogan 1:08:46 I don't know why they would... It just seems so dumb that they would fuck with that and, and try to make it smooth and pretty. Like, part of what's beautiful about it is the age of it. But, um-

Jimmy Corsetti 1:08:57 Agree.

Joe Rogan 1:08:57 ... the... Robert Schoch, who I've had on the podcast before, he was the first geologist to stick his neck out and say that the water erosion around the temple, the Sphinx, indicates thousands of years of rainfall. And like you were saying, when it comes to the Sahara-

Jimmy Corsetti 1:09:11 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:09:12 ... uh, it's the same thing with the Nile Valley. The last time there was significant rainfall in the Nile Valley was 9,000 years ago.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:09:18 Yup.

Joe Rogan 1:09:19 And then you have to look at the thousands of years of rainfall required to make these deep fissures in the stone where the, the softer areas are eroded and you have these deep, you know, vertical fissures that indicate that water coming down from the top and leaking through have created all this stuff. And so his, his timeline is thousands of years before 9,000 BC-

Jimmy Corsetti 1:09:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:43 ... because it, it's required that much time to create this erosion. That's very controversial around s- um, traditional, like, uh, the, the Egyptologists that want to follow the conventional timeline. They come up with all sorts of alternative reasons for why these fissures exist. But one of the more fascinating things that Robert Schoch did was he put, uh, masking tape over the areas that would clearly indicate where this was happening, and he brought it to a series of geologists. And he said, "Does this, this image represent, in your opinion, wind and sand erosion, or does it indicate water?" All of them said it indicated water. All of them said it indicated rainfall.

Jimmy Corsetti 1:10:30 It was literally-

Joe Rogan 1:10:30 And then, and then when he pulled it aside and showed that this was actually the, the Sphinx, they were like, "I'm not putting my fucking name on that."

Jimmy Corsetti 1:10:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:37 Like, very few of them wanted to stick their neck... More have since. Since he's come forward, mo- there's been many geologists that have agreed with him. But initially, people were very hesitant to stick their neck out, because in academia, which is really fascinating, challenging conventional ideas gets you in deep shit. Because even though we would like to believe that these archeologists and scientists and historians only base their opinions on data, only base their opinions on what's in front of them, that's not true. A lot of them have a long history of teaching things that eventually turn out to be incorrect, and they are deeply embarrassed, and they fight it tooth and claw. They do everything they can to discredit any idea that they could be incorrect, and it's fascinating to watch. And one of them that was fascinating to watch was John Anthony West and Robert Schoch had had this conversation about the Sphinx and about the, uh, rose of the Sphinx with this conventional Egyptologist that was working with Zawi Hawass, who was