Joe Rogan Experience #1767 - James Lindsay

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Hello, James.

   4. JLJames Lindsay0:13

      Hello, Joe.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Good to see you, you heterodox individual, you.

   6. JLJames Lindsay0:16

      I am very heterodox.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      I like to use that word, 'cause I never use that word.

   8. JLJames Lindsay0:20

      Well, you used it properly.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      I just did.

   10. JLJames Lindsay0:22

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       I think it's the first time I've ever used it on the podcast, so-

   12. JLJames Lindsay0:25

       Yeah, definitely not orthodox.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       (laughs) So tell me what you were just telling me about, uh, a conference. W- w- w- we were having a conversation where I was saying I wonder how many undercover feds have either gotten on the podcast or tried to get on the podcast.

   14. JLJames Lindsay0:37

       Yeah, it's like, I've had a couple places. One, I had this guy come up to me, and we were, like, just in the crowd, right? W- it wasn't like I just got off stage or anything like that. And he comes up to me and he's like, "You know, if we had to narrow it down to like, you know, the top 10, 12 individuals pulling all this crazy stuff that's going on in the world, could you name who they are? Like, who are they?" And the question is, you know, "What are we gonna do about them?" You know? "Are we gonna have to take them out?" You know? "Are we gonna have to go off? When do we get to go off?" It was like this statement, "When do we get to go off on them?" Like, that violence is-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       "Are we gonna have to take them out?"

   16. JLJames Lindsay1:09

       ... gonna have to take them out. Like, I'm looking at this guy thinking, "You're not taking anybody out," but, uh ... (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:14

       But what are you doing? Like, what is this?

   18. JLJames Lindsay1:15

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:16

       Yes, he says.

   20. JLJames Lindsay1:16

       Yeah, like, "Why are you asking me this question?" I had another guy I did a talk, and this was totally awesome, uh, event. Like, there was a mechanical bull in the venue, like, it was nuts, and I'm doing this, like, professional talk and everything. It was nuts. And this guy's drunk afterwards. I don't know, probably just drunk, maybe he's not, and he's like, "I wanted to ask you one question, man." And I was like, "What is it?" after I talked, and he was like, "When do we get to start shooting them?" And I was like, "Holy shit, dude, no." You know? We don't.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       (laughs)

   22. JLJames Lindsay1:41

       Like, that's the trap, if anything. Like, you don't start-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       Do you think that guy was just crazy or do you think that guy was a fed? And how do you know the difference?

   24. JLJames Lindsay1:49

       That's the question. I don't know. I actually suspect that guy was just drunk and-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       Wow.

   26. JLJames Lindsay1:53

       ... shooting off at the mouth and frustrated, but I don't know. And then the weirdo guy that was like, "If we could narrow it down to who are the-" 'cause that guy wouldn't leave me alone. The f- the guy I told you about first?

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:02

       Yeah.

   28. JLJames Lindsay2:03

       Like, he wouldn't leave me alone. It's like he just kept asking questions and, like, trying to talk to me, and I was like, "Huh."

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       That Epps guy that everyone-

   30. JLJames Lindsay2:10

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   It's these, these critical…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

   2. JLJames Lindsay15:00

      It's these, these critical theories or whatever. Uh, they're experts in, in best practices and governance. And they've created these whole, these, these whole, like, investment metrics called ESG metrics, environmental, social, governance metrics. And they score your company based on how high up and down you are, but it's only really big companies that get to play in that game. And so, the people who are the experts get to be the stakeholders who are gonna speak on behalf of everybody else, and say, "Well, that's bad environmental policy. So, your company is gonna get a bad score, so maybe we won't carry you in our, you know, mutual fund or whatever else. We're not gonna trade your stock, we're not gonna manage your assets." Whether it's BlackRock or Vanguard or any of these huge entities, or the World Economic Forum. "And we're not gonna give you the favors anymore." And so, there's this perverse scoring system that's worked its way in, and the goal is to shift out of that. Now, what are the politicians doing? You know, well, I mean, we see s- obviously, there's corruption somewhere. We got insider trading happening in Washington that's, like, coming out all over the place, um-

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:58

      No, no, no, no, that's fine. That should be allowed, the co-

   4. JLJames Lindsay16:01

      Yeah. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:02

      ... the participating in the economy.

   6. JLJames Lindsay16:04

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:05

      Eh.

   8. JLJames Lindsay16:05

      Yeah. It's like, we should start letting, like, we should start letting the MMA guys, like, the UFC guys bet on their own fights. Like-

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:11

      Right. (laughs)

   10. JLJames Lindsay16:12

       ... why not, you know?

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       You know, they used to have, uh, pool was, uh, something that you could bet on at casinos. They did it once, and when they did it, the guy who was the lowest seed won the tournament. And, uh, it was embarrassing. Like, guys were, like, missing balls, dead in a hole. They were doing it on purpose 'cause they bet against themselves.

   12. JLJames Lindsay16:29

       Yeah. Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       And they bet on this one guy.

   14. JLJames Lindsay16:31

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       And then they all chopped up the money.

   16. JLJames Lindsay16:32

       How about that? (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       How crazy?

   18. JLJames Lindsay16:34

       How wild-

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       Yeah.

   20. JLJames Lindsay16:35

       ... that they might game a bad incentive structure?

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       Who's 15 to 1? Interesting. Hmm.

   22. JLJames Lindsay16:40

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       What do you think would happen if he won?

   24. JLJames Lindsay16:43

       Yeah. Ka-ching.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       So, they stopped, 'cause pool players are, like, kind of notoriously shady folks.

   26. JLJames Lindsay16:49

       A little bit.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       So, they ... Yeah. Well, so they stopped doing that. But yeah, that would, that would definitely happen if fighters were allowed to bet on themselves. But fighters do bet on themselves because there's more money for them if they win-

   28. JLJames Lindsay17:01

       Right. Right. Well-

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       ... in the long term of their career.

   30. JLJames Lindsay17:03

       Correct. Correct. But there's, there's not a whole lot of incentive, like, you don't have some bookie over here who's gonna make it up to you if you, you know, get your face messed up, uh, kind of on purpose. But you should-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   And It Gets Be-…

   1. JLJames Lindsay30:00

      saying, "Well, that means he's just admitting that it's bad for kids." Like, it's this message of hope that was super effective at curbing-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      And It Gets Be- It Gets Better means reaching out to young gay kids to tell them that there's gonna come a point in time where it's gonna feel okay.

   3. JLJames Lindsay30:16

      Yeah, like, listen. Yeah, exactly.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:17

      It's gonna be better. You'll find your community. There's a lot of us out there.

   5. JLJames Lindsay30:20

      Yeah, it's awkward now.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Yeah.

   7. JLJames Lindsay30:21

      Like, life's weird. It's hard.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:22

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JLJames Lindsay30:23

      It's, maybe it's harder for you because of some stuff you didn't sign up for, and-It gets better, man.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       Yeah.

   11. JLJames Lindsay30:28

       Don't, don't give up. It gets better. And he even has this messaging in there, like, "It's going to make you stronger." You know, it's super positive, actually.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JLJames Lindsay30:35

       And so she just takes him to task for this. So this is the, the post-structural feminil- feminists turned into the queer theorists.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Hmm.

   15. JLJames Lindsay30:42

       They got eaten up by Judith Butler coming along and saying, "Well, if gender is a social construct, well maybe sex is a social construct too." That, that's a-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       Have you heard Douglas Murray talk about this?

   17. JLJames Lindsay30:50

       Uh, a little bit, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Well, he talks about the end of civilizations.

   19. JLJames Lindsay30:53

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       Yeah, that-

   21. JLJames Lindsay30:54

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       ... at the end when civilizations start to crumble, they become obsessed with gender.

   23. JLJames Lindsay30:57

       Ge- and, yeah, androgyny and-

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       Yeah.

   25. JLJames Lindsay31:00

       ... yeah, the whole thing. And, and h- homo-normativity over hetero-normativity, he's got a whole thing about that, like they're trying to normalize that which is abnormal. And that's really the definition of queer theory.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       But what's funny i- it's fascinating that ... See, Douglas has a free pass 'cause he's gay, 'cause he, he ... and he's brilliant.

   27. JLJames Lindsay31:15

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:15

       So when he, when he talks about these things, they don't know what to do.

   29. JLJames Lindsay31:17

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:17

       Like, when he s- starts talking about the, these, uh, you know, s- considerable issues when it comes to, like, trying to figure out what's what, you know, he can kind of get away with stuff. And when, when he expla- explains that at the end of all these civilizations, with the Roman civilization, the, the Greek empire, they, they all started falling into this thing where they wanted to redefine gender.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   The Great Barrington? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      and Fauci and all these people, to try to demonize these distinguished intellectuals from-

   2. JLJames Lindsay45:06

      The Great Barrington?

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yeah.

   4. JLJames Lindsay45:07

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      Oxford, Harvard, I mean, it's-

   6. JLJames Lindsay45:10

      There's lots of, lots of lunatic extremists there, right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      Gu- guys who are experts in their field.

   8. JLJames Lindsay45:15

      Total fringe guys. Oxford. Who's ever heard of that crap hole?

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      It's, it's so strange and meanwhile left-wing media ignores, ignore, ignore-

   10. JLJames Lindsay45:23

       Yeah. Ignore, ignore.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:23

       ... it didn't happen, didn't happen.

   12. JLJames Lindsay45:25

       Absolutely didn't happen.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:26

       Like, it's so, the only people that you can trust that are left wing are the independent people. And that's why it's so strange. It's the strangest time ever.

   14. JLJames Lindsay45:33

       It really is. Um-

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       It's wonderful for independent people.

   16. JLJames Lindsay45:36

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       Because for people like Crystal and Saagar from Breaking Points, it's opening the door. For people like The Hill, like Kim Iverson-

   18. JLJames Lindsay45:43

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:43

       ... it's opening the door for people to expose these things.

   20. JLJames Lindsay45:46

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       So we, you get a chance to see these independent people rise and then more people go, "Hey, you got to listen to this lady talk about this. She explains it in very rational, factual terms." Like-

   22. JLJames Lindsay45:56

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       And now, now people will pay attention to Kim Iverson. Now people pay attention-

   24. JLJames Lindsay46:00

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       ... to Crystal and Saagar.

   26. JLJames Lindsay46:01

       I watched Kim this morning as a matter of fact, as a matter, as a matter of fact. She did a thing th- I don't know when she did it because it's on the internet, so who the hell knows when the actual video was. A YouTube video got sent to me and it's Kim Iverson and they were like, "What's on your mind, Kim?" She has like a little segment on her show and she was like, "The Great Reset," and she's like, "Here's some key things to know about it," and it's like, has like bullet points on the screen and it's like number one, it's real. (laughs) And I was like, okay. Th- just to kind of like tie that knot a little bit tighter though, we're talking about CNN, the media won't talk about these, these things, just vanishes. So do you know Klaus Schwab has a new book after COVID-19: The Great Reset?

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       Yeah.

   28. JLJames Lindsay46:34

       You know what it's called?

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       What?

   30. JLJames Lindsay46:35

       I shit you not, it's called The Great Narrative.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:09:26

   No, I get that.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      you say, "This guy is on TV in front of millions of people, and he's saying things that are absolutely not true, that are, in fact, dangerous to democracy, because he's saying that our elections are... uh, they're invalid, they're- they're rigged, they're fake, Donald Trump should be the president." And that allows all these other people that are doing... wh- whether it's, uh, the people that are censoring folks on YouTube, the people that are f- censoring folks on Twitter, they look at this and go, "See, this is why we have to do this."

   2. JLJames Lindsay1:00:28

      No, I get that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

      "Because this kind of shit can get out, and we have to stop this shit from getting out." So, if Hannity or whate- whatever these guys ca- they can stop the most egregiously silly ideas, or the, uh, provably untrue ideas.

   4. JLJames Lindsay1:00:41

      Yeah, but so can-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      If they can stop that.

   6. JLJames Lindsay1:00:43

      But we don't want, like, Rachel Maddow deciding that she can't-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

      No.

   8. JLJames Lindsay1:00:45

      ... take Horse Dewormer-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:46

      No.

   10. JLJames Lindsay1:00:46

       Or that Joe Rogan's gray on CNN, and-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:49

       No, I'm not saying we do, but I'm saying that the reason why they feel like they have to do this-

   12. JLJames Lindsay1:00:53

       No, you're right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       ... is because of the fact that it's so easy to dismiss them right now.

   14. JLJames Lindsay1:00:58

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       Also, if you look at it from a perspective like strategy, there's one versus many. Like, they're, uh, they're kind of surrounded.

   16. JLJames Lindsay1:01:06

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       If you looked at Fox News, and I'm not saying, like... it's not value judgment, like one's wrong or one's right. I'm- I'm just saying, if you looked at, like, the way their perspective on the right is represented in the news, there's fucking no one left. O1- OAN, that- that wacky news network?

   18. JLJames Lindsay1:01:22

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       They just got kicked off of DirecTV.

   20. JLJames Lindsay1:01:23

       Yeah, they just got kicked off TV, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       Yeah. Well, they're still on... Verizon-

   22. JLJames Lindsay1:01:27

       Right, right, right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       ... and- and a few other of those cable, but DirecTV is huge.

   24. JLJames Lindsay1:01:31

       Right. Well, speaking... We mentioned... Speaking of kicking people off, Mike Lindell just got, like, his ability to bank shut down.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:37

       Tell me what you were saying earlier because you were- you glossed over it, but then you stopped.

   26. JLJames Lindsay1:01:41

       Oh, I'm sorry.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       You said he spent millions of dollars on this shit. Like-

   28. JLJames Lindsay1:01:44

       Oh, oh, no sh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:44

       What is it?

   30. JLJames Lindsay1:01:45

       He was trying... He's utterly convinced, and we'll come... This is actually important about the democracy point you raised. Um, he's utterly convinced that there was...... you know, misfeasance with regard to-

Episode duration: 3:12:20