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Undercover feds and agent provocateurs at political events
- NANarrator
(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Hello, James.
- JLJames Lindsay
Hello, Joe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see you, you heterodox individual, you.
- JLJames Lindsay
I am very heterodox.
- JRJoe Rogan
I like to use that word, 'cause I never use that word.
- JLJames Lindsay
Well, you used it properly.
- JRJoe Rogan
I just did.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think it's the first time I've ever used it on the podcast, so-
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, definitely not orthodox.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) So tell me what you were just telling me about, uh, a conference. W- w- w- we were having a conversation where I was saying I wonder how many undercover feds have either gotten on the podcast or tried to get on the podcast.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, it's like, I've had a couple places. One, I had this guy come up to me, and we were, like, just in the crowd, right? W- it wasn't like I just got off stage or anything like that. And he comes up to me and he's like, "You know, if we had to narrow it down to like, you know, the top 10, 12 individuals pulling all this crazy stuff that's going on in the world, could you name who they are? Like, who are they?" And the question is, you know, "What are we gonna do about them?" You know? "Are we gonna have to take them out?" You know? "Are we gonna have to go off? When do we get to go off?" It was like this statement, "When do we get to go off on them?" Like, that violence is-
- JRJoe Rogan
"Are we gonna have to take them out?"
- JLJames Lindsay
... gonna have to take them out. Like, I'm looking at this guy thinking, "You're not taking anybody out," but, uh ... (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
But what are you doing? Like, what is this?
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, he says.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, like, "Why are you asking me this question?" I had another guy I did a talk, and this was totally awesome, uh, event. Like, there was a mechanical bull in the venue, like, it was nuts, and I'm doing this, like, professional talk and everything. It was nuts. And this guy's drunk afterwards. I don't know, probably just drunk, maybe he's not, and he's like, "I wanted to ask you one question, man." And I was like, "What is it?" after I talked, and he was like, "When do we get to start shooting them?" And I was like, "Holy shit, dude, no." You know? We don't.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JLJames Lindsay
Like, that's the trap, if anything. Like, you don't start-
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think that guy was just crazy or do you think that guy was a fed? And how do you know the difference?
- JLJames Lindsay
That's the question. I don't know. I actually suspect that guy was just drunk and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- JLJames Lindsay
... shooting off at the mouth and frustrated, but I don't know. And then the weirdo guy that was like, "If we could narrow it down to who are the-" 'cause that guy wouldn't leave me alone. The f- the guy I told you about first?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
Like, he wouldn't leave me alone. It's like he just kept asking questions and, like, trying to talk to me, and I was like, "Huh."
- 2:08 – 4:01
January 6th suspicions: Ray Epps, FBI testimony, and unequal prosecutions
- JRJoe Rogan
That Epps guy that everyone-
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... has decided was an agent provocateur that was at the January 6th thing, they still haven't found that guy.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, they're-
- JRJoe Rogan
Or the, or the, or excuse me, they still haven't charged that guy.
- JLJames Lindsay
Haven't charged that guy. Very suspicious circumstances around that.
- JRJoe Rogan
The weirdest, right?
- JLJames Lindsay
Right. Like let's just, you know, we'll have him on the list of people we're interested in and then people are gonna say, you know, we're all screaming, "He's a fed, he's a fed." And then there's all this video of him doing weird stuff and people saying, "Fed, fed, fed."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
And then all of a sudden they're like (swoosh sound) off the list. He's n- not on the, the wanted list anymore.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Not wanted, not being charged. It's so odd. And then when-
- JLJames Lindsay
While other people are rotting in jail.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then when Ted Cruz grills the FBI lady-
- JLJames Lindsay
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and, and she's like, "I can't answer that. I can't answer that."
- JLJames Lindsay
The answer to those questions is very simple, no, no, no. And she's like, "I can't answer that question." It's like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. "Did you inci- did the FBI or any agents incite violence?"
- JLJames Lindsay
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
"I can't answer that." What?
- JLJames Lindsay
I mean, I understand the Fifth Amendment. Nobody can, you know, be-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JLJames Lindsay
... compelled to, to incriminate themselves, but, man-
- JRJoe Rogan
But does the Fifth Amendment even apply when you're a representative of an organization? 'Cause it's a different scenario. Y- y- she's a representative of the FBI. It's not like she's incriminating herself.
- JLJames Lindsay
Right, yeah. I don't, I don't, you know, I don't even know in that case, but that looked bad.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) It looked strange.
- JLJames Lindsay
It looked bad.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like, what are you doing? Like all those questions, "W- did they incite violence?" Like, you should never be inciting violence. You're the FBI.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- 4:01 – 9:17
Klaus Schwab, the WEF, and the Xi Jinping introduction clip
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) "I can't answer that." I, I have been trying really hard not to, uh, go down a Klaus Schwab rabbit hole.
- JLJames Lindsay
Oh, buddy, we're probably gonna do that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God. Someone sent me a video of Klaus Schwab introducing, uh, Xi Jinping the other day.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you seen that?
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jamie, p- pull that up 'cause Klaus Schwab ... Now I do not know, I know very little about Klaus Schwab.
- JLJames Lindsay
I read his book.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he seems like a bad guy in a Batman movie.
- JLJames Lindsay
He came straight out of central casting or something.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- JLJames Lindsay
It's like, it's not even James Bond though. It's like a spoof.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so over the top.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's like-
- JLJames Lindsay
He's wearing, like, a spacesuit when he's not wearing, like, his, uh, you know, business suit or whatever.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JLJames Lindsay
It's like, "What is this guy?"
- JRJoe Rogan
He wears a spacesuit?
- JLJames Lindsay
Have you not seen the spacesuit?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- JLJames Lindsay
Oh, man. It's like this leather thing with like a triangle O. It's really-
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, it's freaky.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now what does he do?
- JLJames Lindsay
He is the, I would guess Chairman, CEO of this thing called the World Economic Forum, which is like a billionaires club where fancy pants people like, you know, titans of industry, government officials, NGO people, all the big philanthropists can show up and, like, rub elbows at Davos and, and chill out. And basically it's like, it's like a big country club for, like, the biggest players in government and-
- JRJoe Rogan
What?
- JLJames Lindsay
You should see the spacesuit.
- JRJoe Rogan
What the fuck? What is that?
- JLJames Lindsay
He's so weird.
- 9:17 – 10:09
‘COVID-19: The Great Reset’: stakeholder capitalism, ESG metrics, and corporatism
- JLJames Lindsay
The guy's weird. I read his book. He's got a book called COVID-19: The Great Reset. He's got a few books actually. I, I've read some of, some of his other ones, but I read all of that one. And it's just corporate gobbledygook. But what he says is that COVID-19 is the ideal window of opportunity, a very narrow window of opportunity to reset the whole world's economy. And he wants to create this whole new, like, world economy he calls stakeholder capitalism, through what he calls a public-private partnership where he gets these government guys to sign up with his corporate dudes at Davos and make a partnership. The UN is actually usually the public thing, and then he's the corporate guy bringing them together in a world economic forum to make public-private partnership. But if we go back to Mussolini, you know, what, what was his definition of, of fascism? It's corporatism. It is a fusion of the state-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
... and corporation. And you're like, "Huh, what's going on here?"
- 10:09 – 17:21
Lockdowns, optics-driven policy, and who benefited economically
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, this great reset thing is the big tinfoil hat conspiracy theory conversation.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That we're experiencing the great reset, and the, that they crashed the economy on purpose.
- JLJames Lindsay
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, I, I don't think that's true in terms of like what they did to Los Angeles. I think it's incompetence, and I think there's a bunch of people that wanted to do something that showed that they were trying to enact measures to protect people. And in doing that, they crippled a lot of these restaurants and bars and small businesses, and they did it because it didn't affect them at all financially. Like, if it had any effect on them financially, like if-
- JLJames Lindsay
But it did in a lot of cases. Like, look at w- how, uh, the, the billionaires are all way richer now. Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. But that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the politicians.
- JLJames Lindsay
Oh, okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
If it, it affected the politicians financially, then they would have never enacted those measures. Like, if the politicians got paid based on how well the economy did in their city.
- JLJames Lindsay
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Let's say if you're a mayor, and if your economy crashes, you lose all your money. You would never see lockdowns. You would never see... Like, I have a friend, she lives in Mexico, and she was telling me that in Mexico, nothing's shutting down because the cartels won't allow it.
- JLJames Lindsay
Right. Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because the cartels make a percentage of the money that these businesses get. So they get paid. So if the businesses go under-
- NANarrator
(coughs) .
- JRJoe Rogan
... the cartels don't make any money.
- JLJames Lindsay
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
J- Jamie, you have COOVID? Do you got the co- fuck?
- JLJames Lindsay
COOF?
- JRJoe Rogan
You don't have to breathe?
- JLJames Lindsay
It's everything. No, it's, everything is COOF.
- JRJoe Rogan
You got... Bro, jeez. Did you say you can't even, can't be coughing?
- NANarrator
She was going, "I got water going on my throat."
- JRJoe Rogan
Can't be coughing? Can't be coughing in front of us?
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's dangerous times to just be out, out and about coughing.
- JLJames Lindsay
That's almost, it's attempted murder.
- JRJoe Rogan
But she was telling me that when (laughs) when they are in, uh, Mexico that nothing shut down. Everything's wide open.
- JLJames Lindsay
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
All the restaurants, all the bars, nothing ever shut down. And the reason why she said we're free is because of the cartel. She was like LOLing when she said this, but...
- JLJames Lindsay
Right. Well, I mean, what that tells you then is that, you know, there's either absolute disconnect...... with the politicians or that they're, you know, being taken care of some other way. The, the, and that's a conspiratorial side, that there's money coming in some other way. So, their paycheck is not dependent upon the economy locally, but it's dependent on some other factor. And-
- 17:21 – 24:50
School boards, DOJ scrutiny of parents, and culture clashes in education
- JLJames Lindsay
Well, you know, they investigate a lot of things. The, the Department of Justice is investigating moms and dads, you know, for showing up to school boards, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
They're also investigating maybe some real crime, but not the guy that came here to Texas from, from Britain, who shouldn't have been able to even get in.
- JRJoe Rogan
What's that?
- JLJames Lindsay
That guy that just shot ... uh, that, that took the hostages at the synagogue.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. Yeah. Um, I forgot about that because there's so many of these goddamn things happening.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is really recent, right?
- JLJames Lindsay
There's a million things that ... It was, like, last week. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
Just like the other day, actually.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, where did he come from?
- JLJames Lindsay
He was, he's British, but he's got a name that would indicate that he's Islamic. Um, but he's a, got a British accent as well. And he came in from the UK, and he was like, eyeballs on him from MI5 or something like this, you know, they knew he was a problem. And he comes over to the, to the US. Somehow, ma- manages to get a firearm. Next thing you know, he's at a synagogue, taking hostages, doing whatever they do.... they deal with the situation and the FBI and the president come out and they're like, "Well, we don't know the motive," the guy's screaming his motive while he's doing it. Uh, and, you know, "We have no idea why this happened," and, you know, "We have to do an investi-" It's just the, the, the weirdest farcical thing. And then meanwhile, you know, the big joke that was going on on the internet with it was, well, they didn't have time to catch this guy coming into the country because they were too busy, you know, investigating parents at school board meetings who were showing up. Because of that l- you know about that letter, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Which letter?
- JLJames Lindsay
So, somewhere in the Bi- It, it's now been shown, like actual journalists, Azar Namani for example, I think it was leading on this, dug up proof that the, somebody in the Biden administration, maybe at the, uh, Department of Education, maybe it was Cardona himself, uh, gets this letter, this memo, and it goes to the National School Board Association, uh, NSBA. And so th- they actually just send it back to the Biden administration and say, "Parents are showing up at school boards. There's all this violence and danger." But it came from inside the house. Send it to the School Board Association, which most of its members didn't even know that this was happening and a lot of them have disavowed it, and then they send it back to the DOJ and then Merrick Garland comes out and says that they're going to start watching parents at school board meetings like they're domestic terrorists. And they have.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, I did hear about that. But this ... Is it because they're worried that there's gonna come a time where a parent crosses a line and shows up armed and does something insane?
- JLJames Lindsay
I mean, it's, they, th- that's the perpetual, you know, justification-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JLJames Lindsay
... for that kind of thing. But, at the same time, it's, you know, they, they literally sent out a memo to treat parents showing up at school board meetings as though they are, uh, domestic-
- JRJoe Rogan
Not, not all parents.
- JLJames Lindsay
... domestic threats.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, th- they can't thin- I mean, obviously they want some parents to show up at school board meetings because they, they want to be active in-
- JLJames Lindsay
I'm not sure that's the case anymore. I mean, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
You don't think they want any parents showing up at school board meetings? You think they think that it's all negative, and that-
- JLJames Lindsay
I mean, th- they is too big to say-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- JLJames Lindsay
... you know, everybody everywhere. But, uh, y- you actually saw that attitude, you know, in the governor's race in, in Virginia last year when, you know, Youngkin beat McAuliffe and, uh, is it ... Did he beat McAuliffe or ... I forget how it works out. Terry McAuliffe, yeah. And so, uh, 'cause Northam was the previous governor. 'Cause gov- Virginia has this weird rule where you can't be governor twice in a row, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, really?
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah. So they have to have two people each time. And so, anyway, McAuliffe came out and he said that they don't want ... That parents shouldn't have a role in shaping curriculum and that they don't want that going on, amid these huge scandals. You know, they have this, this ... exactly what people said would happen a number of years ago, this kid claiming to be ... that is clearly disturbed, claiming to be non-binary, wearing a skirt, goes in and rapes a nine, ninth grade girl in the bathroom. Exactly what people said ... You remember back in like 2015 people were like, "If we do the trans bathroom thing that way, more gonna see sexual assaults." Well, that's exactly what happened. And then the schools c- like, the school district covers it up and it was-
- JRJoe Rogan
They tried to tell the parents to keep their mouths shut about it.
- 24:50 – 31:56
How critical/Marxist education theories entered schools: Freire, ‘critical consciousness,’ and queer theory
- JLJames Lindsay
I, I do know how it got into schools. I... That, I've researched, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, tell me, please tell me how.
- JLJames Lindsay
Well, I mean, a lot of people don't know that the radicals of the '60s... There's this book, it's called The Critical Turn in Education, and I- I've been doing a podcast series on this book. Uh, it's written by a guy named Isaac Guzman. He's a Marxist education theorist from Iowa State. And at the very beginning, it's like literally the first sentence of the book, he says, you know, "Well, where did all the radicals from the '60s go? Well, it's, they didn't go to yuppiedom, they didn't go to..." I forget what, he lists a couple of things. He says, "No, they went to the classroom." And so a lot of those radicals, those violent radicals, 68, 69, early 70s, you know, we can name Angela Davis, for example, as a key figure, literally went to K through 12 activism. And through the 70s, they kind of prepared the ground. By about 1985, though, what- this so called critical turn in education, which means critical theory, or as this Guzman says, he says, "We shouldn't call it critical theory. We should call it what it is. We'd call it critical Marxism." By about '85, these guys had basically become dominant in terms of setting teacher college training. So if you're gonna go to teacher college somewhere, Marxists are teaching you how, and they bring in this guy from Brazil, his name's Paulo Freire, uh, straight up Marxist educator. I've read his books. He's, like, quotes Mao or Marx, he quotes Lenin. He's like, "This is how it should be." He's got this total weird idea, like, teachers and, and students, the kids shouldn't ha- adults and children shouldn't have like a differential in power. They should be like equals with one another, th- which is a terrible idea, because kids need structure and boundaries and... Especially in a learning environment.
- JRJoe Rogan
But why would anybody... What is the, what's the motivation behind that?
- JLJames Lindsay
The goal is to train them in what he calls conscientization. I didn't say that right. It's a hard word to say, and here we are.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JLJames Lindsay
But to, to raise in them a, what's called a critical consciousness, which is a Marxist consciousness of, of oppression in society. Basically, he's looking around and he says, "People are going to realize that they're dependent based on the society that they live in." And rather than saying, "Okay, maybe you are, you know, maybe you're working a shit job, maybe you're stuck, let's teach you responsibility, how to take control of your own life and, you know, raise yourself up and work hard and put your head down," or whatever, he says, "No, we're gonna go the collective route instead of the individual route, and we're gonna, we're gonna try to have a revolution." Freire famously says in this book from '85, which brought him into the US, uh, the book's called The Politics of Education, he says that the revolution, meaning the communist revolution, has to be perpetual. He says if, if a revolution ceases to be a revolutionary, it becomes a status quo. And so he says, as you, as you awaken to this critical consciousness, this conscientization, which I still can't say.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JLJames Lindsay
(laughs) Uh, it's, well, I've even got it stuck in Portuguese in my head beca- I don't read Portuguese, but he, it's usually not translated, and I can, I can say that worse. Like, that's way bad if I try that one. Consciencia de Chao or something like that, and anyway, it means to awaken to consciousness. And so their goal by the mid-80s in education was to start turning education more and more and more along this erase all power differentials, awaken a consciousness, and, uh, this queer theory stuff fits right within that. So you're doing that at the identity level by breaking down the barriers between gay and straight, male and female, et cetera. So it latches right into that. In fact, the communists have been using techniques in sexual liberation, et cetera, back to the 1920s. This dude, Georg Lukacs, that overthrew Hungary or helped overthrow Hungary in their communist revolution in 1919 was, um, he, he, he was... He became like their deputy commissar of education. And his whole thing was like, "Let's sexualize the kids because it'll break them away from their religion. It'll break them away from their parents. They'll hate their parents because they won't understand," you know? And so he's like, "Let's sexual- let's sexualize the kids." This has been a thing that they've done throughout a lot of communist attempts, whether in the, the 20s and 30s and then again in the 60s with, you know, Herbert Marcuse leading like the sexual liberation kind of side of Marxism through the 60s, and they're doing it again. And so these people are Marxists. They started to take over education schools, and they're not going to say no to this stuff when it comes knocking on the door. So this book, again, Critical Turn in Education, says it went in three stages. First, there was Marxist critiques in education. Then by the mid-80s and early 90s, the post-structuralist feminists took over the critique of education, and that's where they brought the queer stuff in. And I mean queer with like official queer theory, I'm not doing the... Just be clear for the people who hate us.
- JRJoe Rogan
Welcome the queer stuff.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, the queer stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like that, yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, and which, by the way, the definition of that is an identity without an essence. I did this podcast about this paper by Hannah Dyers. Uh, she wrote a paper in 2016 about queer futurity in education, something, something, early childhood education. And she says in there explicitly that the point of queer theory is not to create a stable LGBTQ identity. It's in fact to not have stable identities at all, because those become the status quo, and that would be the problem. So you have to be constantly overturning that. I don't know if you know who Dan Savage is?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, It Gets Better? That guy?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JLJames Lindsay
The whole last third of the paper is criticizing It Gets Better, saying, "Well, that means he's just admitting that it's bad for kids." Like, it's this message of hope that was super effective at curbing-
- JRJoe Rogan
And It Gets Be- It Gets Better means reaching out to young gay kids to tell them that there's gonna come a point in time where it's gonna feel okay.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, like, listen. Yeah, exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's gonna be better. You'll find your community. There's a lot of us out there.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, it's awkward now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
Like, life's weird. It's hard.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JLJames Lindsay
It's, maybe it's harder for you because of some stuff you didn't sign up for, and-It gets better, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
Don't, don't give up. It gets better. And he even has this messaging in there, like, "It's going to make you stronger." You know, it's super positive, actually.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- JLJames Lindsay
And so she just takes him to task for this. So this is the, the post-structural feminil- feminists turned into the queer theorists.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- 31:56 – 38:19
Social media, renormalization, and fanatics produced by ‘diversity training’ dynamics
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, uh, a- a- it's such a weird time because everything has happened so rapidly. Like, i- if you go back ... And it really is from the onset of social media. If you go back to pre-social media to what the world was like to today, the change has been so radical.
- JLJames Lindsay
Oh, yeah. It's crazy how fast it is. I mean, it ... Think about it, we're totally connected to one another.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
We can form our alliances now worldwide based on what we think, what we agree with, what we think is funny, what we don't, rather than, "Oh yeah, we all happen to be in Texas so we've got to get along."
- JRJoe Rogan
Also, the amount of people that are interacting on social media is not th- l- like ... You know, I did a bit about it last night. It's not the b- the large percentage of the population. It's a small percentage-
- JLJames Lindsay
That's right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... of the population that's shaping the way the culture r- thinks about things because they're the ones that are talking-
- JLJames Lindsay
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the most.
- JLJames Lindsay
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so these are people that are obsessed people.
- JLJames Lindsay
Obsessed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Obsessive.
- JLJames Lindsay
That's right, obsessives.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
And socially awkward ones too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, a lot of them.
- JLJames Lindsay
Like ... I-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
You know, i- we don't ... I know I'm going to sound like Jordan Peterson with the whole, you know, "We don't know the effects that this'll br-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh.
- JLJames Lindsay
You know, but really we don't. We suddenly went from ... With the advent of social media, we went from an era where extroverts, by kind of definition, kind of ruled the public sphere. Introverts did a lot of important work, we're not ... to discount that, but once you get them online, now introverts have this hugely expanded voice while extroverts are out doing cool stuff and they're not on the internet. And then you add in people with, like, social anxiety issues. Well, they're not out hanging out and, like, going to the bar, 'cause they have social anxiety. What are they doing? They're on the internet yelling at people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JLJames Lindsay
And then you get certain ones of these people who are absolute obsessives, and I'll tell you about this fanatic thing, this obsessives. So the military ... Turns out Eisenhower, after World War II, was like, "All right, these Black soldiers fought like hell for us. We're gonna desegregate the military." This is way before, like, the schools or any other thing, he's like, "We're gonna do this." And so they're like, "How do we integrate the units," right? "How do we do this?" And so they started this thing with these different approaches to diversity training, what we would recognize as so-called diversity training now. In the first program they had, they called it putting them on the hot seat. And what they would do is they would basically do what diversity training in workplaces does now. You know, they'd put, like, some guy down there and make him confess all of his different racist ideas and, you know, then have, like, a lesson about it and, like, everybody would have to confess their racist stuff and they'd put the Black people there and like, "Oh, I've always thought this bad stuff about you." And what they found out was that for a small percentage of the- of the group, it worked. It made them more aware of these attitudes and biases and what a jerk they're being, and it worked. And then for most of the people, they actually had way less of a problem with race than anybody was assuming, and it didn't really do anything. Plus it's all just kind of a waste of time, and nobody likes administrative BS anyway, they just want to do the stuff. But then for another small segment, maybe about ... I don't know what percentage so I don't want to make some number up, but some small percentage, they literally became fanatics. That's the word in, in the report. They became fanatics who wouldn't do anything except go around and call everybody racist all the time for everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- JLJames Lindsay
And-
- JRJoe Rogan
Twitter. (laughs)
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, it was so bad that they had to cancel the program. And that's right, it's exactly right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh.
- JLJames Lindsay
It's, it's Twitter. And so, you know, these obsessives w- I just mentioned, you know, post-structural feminism working into the critical turn in education or whatever. Critical race theory, by the way, is the third step, Gottesman says is the turn to education. But, um, uh, you know, I just mentioned that but they were the bloggers, man. Back in like '08, '09, it was like every blog in the universe was some feminist woman bitching about something.
- 38:19 – 1:15:08
Censorship, narrative control, and repressive tolerance (Marcuse)
- JRJoe Rogan
My friend, Yiannis Pappas, just got a strike against his account on YouTube, and I'm gonna read you the transcript of what they, they struck, 'cause this is wild shit. 'Cause it's, it's gotten to the point where it, it doesn't have to have anything to do with... there's n- it has nothing to do with bullying, nothing to do with hate, nothing to do with any... Like, he's just joking around about stuff, and he makes a, uh, a point, or he makes a joke that is, uh, it's- it's essentially, you know, I mean, he's just being silly about the gay pride parade. And he said, "I support gay rights, but can we move the gay parade tonight so I can explain gay rights to my daughter without having to see your asshole before noon?"
- JLJames Lindsay
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a joke.
- JLJames Lindsay
It's a joke.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just a joke. They gave him a strike on his account for that.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, this is wild shit. And then there was another one that he had that was, um, about, uh... There was another one that he had about, I think it was about, uh, Justin Bieber or something like that, um, which was even more... Yeah, here it is. Uh, "Bieber's, uh, old N-word..."
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah, this is what he posted.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's it. But look, go down below. Well, here, uh... It was one, duh-duh-duh-duh. Yeah, that's it. It's the top one. Um, "Jared, I like to hum myself. I like melodies, I like to sing. That's my thing, son. But I don't discriminate against any music. You know, play Hootie, play Lynyrd Skynyrd, play whatever. I'm down for it." What- what the fuck is that?
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
How is that in any way... Like, h- how is that the thing that they highlighted as something that, that YouTube is gonna ban? Like, that doesn't make any sense.
- JLJames Lindsay
That's insane. That's nuts. I mean, I thought I had like-
- JRJoe Rogan
"Play Hootie, play Lynyrd Skynyrd, play whatever. I'm down for it." What the fuck is that? How could anybody think that that is offensive?
- JLJames Lindsay
I mean-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, that doesn't make... That makes no sense.
- JLJames Lindsay
That- that does- that makes no sense.
- JRJoe Rogan
But what-
- JLJames Lindsay
I thought my example was, like, crazy. I got, uh, dinged for saying that onion rings cure COVID.
- JRJoe Rogan
Blah. (laughs)
- JLJames Lindsay
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
That should be so over- obviously parody. But J- Yiannis, the thing is, is he's a male comedian.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, you know, he jokes around about shit. He's a very open-minded guy, he's very progressive, he's very intelligent. And they're somehow or another lumping him in with, like, a bad person, or with the alt-right or whatever. I mean-
- JLJames Lindsay
That's the game, man. That's the game.
- JRJoe Rogan
That is the game. I mean, uh, it's like, it happens... I mean, it happens with fucking smart people.
- JLJames Lindsay
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, smart people make that dis- they use that pejorative. They t- you know, "Oh, h- these alt-right people." I'm like, "Stop." You're talking about people that aren't even remotely alt-right. Like, don't do that.
- JLJames Lindsay
Yeah. Yeah, exact-... I mean, that was a whole thing, like, you know, we had just the other day here on the show, you had the, you know, Tim Pool's alt-right or whatever it was.
- JRJoe Rogan
Josh Zepps, yeah, he s-
- JLJames Lindsay
It wasn't, wasn't quite that, but-
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