Joe Rogan Experience #1771 - Andy Stumpf

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (heavier rock music) Um, y- we were just talking before we started rolling about Mike Glover, who's, uh, a guy online who, uh, he does a lot of-

   4. ASAndy Stumpf0:19

      He's also real life.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      ... He is a real-

   6. ASAndy Stumpf0:21

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      ... life person too. He's not just, he's not just an animated character.

   8. ASAndy Stumpf0:25

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      (laughs)

   10. ASAndy Stumpf0:25

       I've met him.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       He gets, uh, he gets a lot of censorship, right? Don't they censor the shit outta him? Don't they, uh, shadow ban him and fuck with his posts?

   12. ASAndy Stumpf0:35

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       He, he, he teaches-

   14. ASAndy Stumpf0:37

       I, I hear-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       ... preparedness, right?

   16. ASAndy Stumpf0:39

       Yeah, so he owns Fieldcraft Survival, which I would describe as preparedness, not to be confused with-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Preppers.

   18. ASAndy Stumpf0:45

       ... which I don't think is, has to be a pejorative term. There's a fine line-

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       But it is. (laughs)

   20. ASAndy Stumpf0:51

       ... Okay, yeah, it is. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       It's a lot of the end of the world people, right? It's a lot of, you know-

   22. ASAndy Stumpf0:54

       If you're burying a school bus in your backyard-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       (laughs)

   24. ASAndy Stumpf0:57

       ... and you have, like, fields of fire and fucking bazookas hidden everywhere, it's, you've taken it too far.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       Yeah.

   26. ASAndy Stumpf1:02

       Having a medical kit in your car and some first aid training, like, "Hey, I can stop bleeding until a higher level of care arrives-"

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Yes.

   28. ASAndy Stumpf1:08

       ... I think that's great. So, that's pre- preparedness. But Mike owns Field cla- uh, Fieldcraft Survival. He talks about getting censored. A lot of people talk about getting censored and shadow banned. I can't make heads or tails as to whether or not that is... ho- how true it is.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on that, 'cause-

   30. ASAndy Stumpf1:25

       Some people's stuff is fucking boring.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Mm. …

   1. ASAndy Stumpf15:00

      there's still work that needs to be done to close that circle up.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      Mm.

   3. ASAndy Stumpf15:04

      So...

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      Yeah, that's a different story, right? The, the, the c- the circle of having this i- insane dedication and ignoring children because you don't, you don't get those times back. Like, you get times back with your friends. Like, if you don't see your friends for a couple years... Like, I have friends where I can miss them. I don't see them for two years. We run into each other. Within five minutes, we're back to where we were.

   5. ASAndy Stumpf15:27

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      And we're just having fun and having a great time. There's no issues. But the, the d- the developmental process of a child is so critical, and, like, being around kids when they're young, you, you never get that back.

   7. ASAndy Stumpf15:39

      Well, there's being there, and then there's being there. And this is also-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      Mm-hmm.

   9. ASAndy Stumpf15:42

      ... a mistake that I made, too. I, I was fortunate I was at all the births of my kids. I didn't miss our rotation cycle for whatever reason. I was home for Thanksgiving and Christmas. I don't think I missed one. But there is a difference between being physically present and mentally present, and that is one where I know looking back I would not give myself the highest of marks.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       Hmm.

   11. ASAndy Stumpf16:03

       Uh, I... Again, the job suffers last, and that's not an excuse by any stretch, and people should judge me harshly for that. But at the same time, it's also allows... I mean, it's what allows you to go and focus on and, and do those things.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:16

       Yeah.

   13. ASAndy Stumpf16:16

       'Cause I don't... If I had not had that level of focus, I mean, they- we're spinning off into hypothesis, but who knows what would have happened? You know, it could have either cost me my life or what would have actually been worse, in my opinion, is it costing somebody else their life.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       And that's real. I- if you're in that kind of a job, you cannot have distractions.

   15. ASAndy Stumpf16:36

       You can.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       You can.

   17. ASAndy Stumpf16:37

       Doesn't work out well. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Yeah. (laughs)

   19. ASAndy Stumpf16:40

       (laughs) Or you get shit canned.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       Yeah.

   21. ASAndy Stumpf16:41

       I mean, the, the, the standards and the tolerances, they're tight.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       Yeah.

   23. ASAndy Stumpf16:45

       And, and people will get benched sometimes and given time to work on whatever it is, uh, they need to work on. And from my understanding, the modern-day teams are doing a much better job of integrating the overall family unit.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       Hmm.

   25. ASAndy Stumpf16:59

       Which I actually think will make the guys even more lethal. If you know your family's taken care of, if your family is healthy, if you have a good communication dynamic and things are well when you go overseas, it lets you put even more mental horsepower into what's going on over there.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:12

       That makes sense.

   27. ASAndy Stumpf17:13

       Yeah, um, but it's (clears throat) interesting occupation.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       Ooh.

   29. ASAndy Stumpf17:17

       Like, ev- every time somebody says, "Hey, Andy, I want to be a SEAL," I'm like, "Awesome, let's talk about other jobs that you might be interested in."

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:23

       (laughs)
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      being with a guy like the Bobs of the world, it's- it's, uh, a great litmus test too. You need those tests. You need to know. (clears throat) You need to have, like, a real idea of where you're at. Like, there's- I remember when I was a white belt, there was guys that I would roll with that would just smoosh me.... and then by that, the time I got to be, like, a brown belt, I could either stalemate them or could occasionally tap them.

   2. ASAndy Stumpf30:23

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:23

      And the same guys who used to smoosh me, I could tap. And that's a crazy feeling of knowing that it's this long journey of over a decade of getting strangled and your fucking ass handed to you, that you do-

   4. ASAndy Stumpf30:36

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:37

      ... you do make progress, but-

   6. ASAndy Stumpf30:39

      Willingly go ask another man to choke you nearly unconscious?

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:42

      Yeah.

   8. ASAndy Stumpf30:42

      It's not kinky.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      But that's, that's what it is. It's the de- and it's not a decade for everybody. I didn't, I didn't train as much as some folks do, like, like, you know, some folks are training every single day. Like Bourdain, when he was, uh, really into jujitsu, he was telling me that he was taking a private every day for an hour, and then he was taking a class every day after the private, every day.

   10. ASAndy Stumpf31:00

       So, about two hours of training a day?

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       Two hours plus every day.

   12. ASAndy Stumpf31:03

       How old was he when he found it?

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       58.

   14. ASAndy Stumpf31:06

       Fuck, I-

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       58, smoking cigarettes-

   16. ASAndy Stumpf31:08

       (exhales) .

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       ... overweight, had high blood pressure, was on statins. He took statins because... We had a conversation about that too, because he did not want to stop eating the kind of food that he loved, and he had high blood pressure and he had high cholesterol and he had-

   18. ASAndy Stumpf31:21

       I can respect that decision. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       Well, he was a food freak, man. I mean-

   20. ASAndy Stumpf31:25

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       ... that was his fucking occupation was traveling around the world. And he said, "I, you know, I, I'm not gonna stop eating this food. I mean, this is literally what I enjoy most in life. I travel to these places that have these amazing dishes. Like, why would I stop doing that? I'll just take whatever pill they have." And I'm like, "I get it there." Like, most people, they would tell you, you know, "I'd rather take a pill and I don't wanna make any lifestyle changes." I'd be like, "Oh, man." Like, what, what are the downsides of that? I don't know what the downsides of statins are. I don't know. And, and matter of fact, didn't David Sinclair talk about the upsides of statins? Wasn't that something that he had broughten up? I know I've read things, I'm not sure. But b- the point is, like, for most people, I'd say, "Man, you know' make some lifestyle changes." But for him, I was like, "Okay, I get it." But when he, he started training every day, and he was training two plus hours a day, he got off everything. He didn't need any medication. The, it all went away.

   22. ASAndy Stumpf32:18

       That's a crazy volume at 58 years old.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:19

       He's an animal. It was an animal.

   24. ASAndy Stumpf32:21

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       Oh, he... That one hurts me. That one hurts me.

   26. ASAndy Stumpf32:25

       How far did he-

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:26

       He, he was a blue belt.

   28. ASAndy Stumpf32:27

       Okay.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:28

       He was good. He was a good man. The guy was an animal. And he, he was very proud of the fact that he could really be a hard role. He goes, like, uh, you know, uh, he goes, "I was a good role."

   30. ASAndy Stumpf32:41

       How tall and heavy was he?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah, I didn't either,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      little.

   2. ASAndy Stumpf45:00

      Yeah, I didn't either, and I actually have some pretty severe concerns about how the later years of my life might potentially be, given my concussion history.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      I had an offer recently to get a brain scan and I panicked, 'cause it was-

   4. ASAndy Stumpf45:12

      'Cause you don't wanna know?

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:13

      I don't wanna know what's in there.

   6. ASAndy Stumpf45:14

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      You know?

   8. ASAndy Stumpf45:16

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:16

      It's like, uh, I, I had a concussion, not last year but the year before. Went skiing before the pandemic ended, or before the pandemic started. Went skiing, and, uh, this lady was kinda losing control and sliding into this trail. And I was going around the corner and I saw her, and she would, she would... There's no way to get around her, and I was like, "H- I gotta figure..." And I, I, I had to wipe out. I had to just kinda, like, go around her this way. And the skis went up and hit the back of my head off the ground, and I was fucked up. I mean, it was a hard hit. That was, uh... I didn't go unconscious, but I definitely got a concussion, 'cause I was dizzy for the rest of the day and, and I had a hard time with my coordination. Like I, uh, I fell down trying to get on the ski lift, and then I couldn't figure out how to get up properly. Like, like my body wasn't listening right.

   10. ASAndy Stumpf46:08

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       This is l- and my daughter's like, "What the fuck is wrong with you?" But like, a lady-

   12. ASAndy Stumpf46:11

       "Get up, Dad. You're embarrassing me." (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       It was embarrassing. A, a lady had to grab my arm and help me stand up, which is, you know... I'm a pretty strong person. I can get up pretty easy with skis on-

   14. ASAndy Stumpf46:22

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       ... but my body was not listening right. And then the rest of the day I was foggy, and I was like, "Jesus, I didn't need that." And I was thinking about all the times that I've had my bell rang.

   16. ASAndy Stumpf46:31

       Did you ever at all just consider nuking that lady and going through her?

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:35

       (laughs) No.

   18. ASAndy Stumpf46:36

       We're different people. That would-

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       No, I would've killed her. Uh, I was-

   20. ASAndy Stumpf46:39

       Maybe.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:39

       I was coming around that cor- no. She, she was gonna... It, it would've been terrible.

   22. ASAndy Stumpf46:45

       Just curious. I'm not saying-

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:46

       No. No. No.

   24. ASAndy Stumpf46:47

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:47

       It would've been terrible. It would've been terrible. It would've been terrible.

   26. ASAndy Stumpf46:50

       Last time I rung my bell, it was actually at jujitsu. It was, again, completely my fault, and I'm glad I- at, at this point I can... I'm recognizing my mistakes and avoiding them, but I was, guy was turtled up and I was on his back, too far towards his shoulders.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       Mm-hmm. He shook you?

   28. ASAndy Stumpf47:05

       No, I got both of my hands involved over the... It was either one was over and one was under maybe going for a harness of some kind. And completely my fault to do so, but he rolled, and the first thing that hit was my head.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       Hmm.

   30. ASAndy Stumpf47:17

       And fuck, I had a headache for days.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:41

   No. …

   1. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      No.

   3. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:00

      But you also need to have capacity as well.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:02

      No, there's no downside to being strong. But y- you know, w- how do you feel about that, like this school of thought, like the Pavel school of thought is you never go to failure. You just give yourself much more time in between the repetitions. You do, like if you could do 10, you only do five, but then you do more sets.

   5. ASAndy Stumpf1:00:20

      I don't have the knowledge or experience to e- even be able to comment on it. I mean, I m- I messed around, and when I owned the gym, I was... It was a CrossFit gym, and I was, uh, administering that type of coaching. So I don't, I don't have the knowledge base to be able to say. I know that when I changed my conditioning from-... I think the heaviest I was was probably 225, and that's before I put on any of my ballerina gear. And then I got down to about 195, or maybe 200. But the lighter I got, the more capable I was. And I actually... by changing the way that I trained, I actually got stronger and more capable. Um, but I don't know... I don't have any experience outside of, like, genres of exercise beyond that, so I don't know.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

      Yeah, there's so many different schools of thought in terms of, like, what's best for performance.

   7. ASAndy Stumpf1:01:07

      What would you say is best for jujitsu? What would you recommend for people with a strength training regimen?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

      I think most people feel that kettlebells are one of the best m- modalities for strength and conditioning for jujitsu. Kettlebells, chin-ups, and, you know, things, things along those lines. Because one of the things about kettlebells is that it, it forces your body to work as a, as a unit, right? Like, when you're doing things that aren't sexy. Like, Turkish get-ups are a perfect example. Like, that is a phenomenal exercise for jujitsu, because it really does work your ca- your core, it really does work your shoulders, really does work your legs. It works everything.

   9. ASAndy Stumpf1:01:43

      Yep.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       And it's not bench and tris. It's not, you know, doing chest and biceps.

   11. ASAndy Stumpf1:01:50

       Show muscles, if you will.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

       Yeah, yeah.

   13. ASAndy Stumpf1:01:52

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       It's, it's not sexy, and it's not fun either. Like, when you're doing it, it's a, it's a grueling t- type of workout. But I think those and, like, gorilla cleans, where you have, like, you know, one on each side, uh, clean press, uh, squats, and doing, uh, reverse, uh, you know, lunges, and then reverse lu- uh, backward lunges. And, like, things where you're forcing yourself to balance out that weight while you're, you're moving. I think those are probably some of the best exercises for jujitsu. And then, another thing that's really good for jujitsu is yoga. Yoga's phenomenal for jujitsu. It really is, because it forces you to be able to hold positions and breathe and control your body, and control your breath in those positions. And also, you maintain flexibility and strength in, in... especially, like, around the joints surrounding and... like, you, with your knee joints when you're standing on one leg, balancing, like, how it promotes stability-

   15. ASAndy Stumpf1:02:48

       You find it helps with recovery?

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:49

       Yeah, I think it helps recovery. I think it helps keep your body limber too, which I think is very important in jujitsu.

   17. ASAndy Stumpf1:02:55

       Hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:55

       'Cause there's always... there's positions where y- having a little bit more flexibility is very beneficial. Like, some of the best jujitsu guys are very flexible. Like, Rickson Gracie, famously, was, like, very into yoga when he was young.

   19. ASAndy Stumpf1:03:08

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:03:09

       And h- was... The thing that I th- There's many things that separated him from other people, but I think one of them was his physicality.

   21. ASAndy Stumpf1:03:16

       (smacks lips) Yeah, he was u- I mean, I've never met the guy. Uh, uh, the movie Choke is unbelievable, where it goes through his whole-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:03:22

       Oh, my God, it's the best. Choke is the best.

   23. ASAndy Stumpf1:03:24

       He was, he was one of a kind, for sure, though. It seems like they broke-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

       Yeah.

   25. ASAndy Stumpf1:03:26

       ... the mold with that guy a little bit. There was some natural talent built in there with, also, a benefit of having, um, you know, Gracie as your last name-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:33

       Yeah.

   27. ASAndy Stumpf1:03:33

       ... and being born into that. But goddamn, he was, uh-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:36

       No, he was something special. He-

   29. ASAndy Stumpf1:03:38

       Do you get to train much anymore?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:39

       Not in m- Not right now, but I'm getting over some injuries. Uh, I'm getting over some knee injuries. Uh, I think I'll be able to train soon again.

Episode duration: 3:02:33