Joe Rogan Experience #1772 - Randall Carlson

1. 0:00 – 15:00

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   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

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   2. RCRandall Carlson0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Randall Carlson, how are you, sir?

   4. RCRandall Carlson0:15

      I'm doing well, Joe.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      It's great to see you. It really is.

   6. RCRandall Carlson0:17

      It's, it's even greater to see you.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      I was so looking forward to this podcast. I was s- s- I'm, I'm just, I'm so excited about this subject, so whenever you're in town, uh, I'm happy.

   8. RCRandall Carlson0:27

      Well, you know, Joe, I drove 1,000 miles to get here.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      (laughs)

   10. RCRandall Carlson0:30

       That's how much I'm...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       That's a long drive. How long did that take?

   12. RCRandall Carlson0:34

       Uh, we did two days. It's, it's a 14.5-hour drive. But we got slowed down because of the weather, you know, the last...

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Yeah. I was worried about that.

   14. RCRandall Carlson0:40

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       We've had some ice storms out here, for people that don't know.

   16. RCRandall Carlson0:43

       Yeah. Right. We had it...

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       So...

   18. RCRandall Carlson0:45

       It was nasty for a while, but...

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       And you're gonna be out here. You're doing some exploring. You're doing some cave exploring as well?

   20. RCRandall Carlson0:50

       Well, we were gonna go to s- see Halls Cave, which is a, um...

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       Pull that microphone up to you.

   22. RCRandall Carlson0:57

       Halls Cave-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       Maybe get the, get the, the arm.

   24. RCRandall Carlson0:59

       Like this?

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       There you go. Yeah.

   26. RCRandall Carlson1:00

       How's this?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Perfect.

   28. RCRandall Carlson1:01

       Good. Um, yeah, Halls Cave is near here, and this was a site that has, uh, extinct megafauna remains in it, and it also has some Clovis remain- Clovis tools, and it has the Younger Dryas black mat stuff in it. So basically-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       W- black mat stuff meaning the, uh, whatever the impact was? What, what was settled?

   30. RCRandall Carlson1:24

       Yes. So, right. So when you had the impact, or I think impacts plural, you had this dusting of stuff, and a lot of fires. So the fires produced soot, charcoal. So at that layer, you have this black mat layer, and below it, you have megafauna, and above it, they're mostly gone. Below it you have the Clovis culture. Above it, they're mostly gone. Um, so Halls Cave was a repository, and, um, we were gonna go in it. The, it's belongs to an elderly couple that's on private property, but then when the COVID hit, they got worried about letting people in there, so it's been postponed.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Let's see. When would…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

   2. RCRandall Carlson15:00

      Let's see. When would that have been? Um...

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      Because that's one of the pieces of evidence that they point to, correct?

   4. RCRandall Carlson15:04

      Yes. So, I think maybe, you know, the Tunguska event of 1908, I think maybe in '60s or '70s they may have found glass associated with that. Um, certainly by the '50s and '60s they were finding glass associated with impact craters.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      And when they do core samples, they do find an associated, uh, supply of the stuff?

   6. RCRandall Carlson15:28

      Yeah. It- it... yes, yes. There's a variety of proxies that will indicate, um, impacts. The melt glass is one of them, right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:37

      So that's trinitite?

   8. RCRandall Carlson15:39

      Yes. Um, you'll have microspherules.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:43

      Mm.

   10. RCRandall Carlson15:43

       Which form when you have a hyper-velocity impact. You know, you've got to think, you're, you know, an object coming in closing velocity at 10 to 20 times the muzzle velocity of a high-powered rifle. It's coming and it slams into the Earth. It has a s- whole suite of consequences, one of which, a lot of the material that's directly in the epicenter gets vaporized. That vapor goes up into the stratosphere, it begins to circulate. It... as it cools, it drops back to Earth and it will form both microspherules and microtektites. And microtektites are small, little, um, aerodynamically shaped forms that you... they're called microtektites 'cause you really only see them under a microscope, and likewise with the microspherules. Um, then you have nanodiamonds. Nanodiamonds are only produced under extraordinary regimes of heat and pressure. So, you've got microspherules, you've got the trinitite, uh, and the melt glass, you've got the microspherules. You've got, um, iridium, other platinum group metals now associated with the Younger Dryas. They found iridium spikes, osmium spikes and platinum spikes, which are all part of the platinum group metals, all of which are pretty much abundant in cosmic things like asteroids, right? So, you had the finding of that. You know, I think in the Greenland ice cores, uh, platinum showed up and iridium. Uh, let's see, what else? Charcoal if there's... if... or soot if there's, um... if there's, uh, fires. So, you know, soot has been found in conjunction with that black matte layer. That's one of the reasons it's black, is because of the amount of charcoal and soot in it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:26

       Meaning there were some sort of massive fires-

   12. RCRandall Carlson17:29

       Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       ... that were associated with the impact?

   14. RCRandall Carlson17:31

       Yes. Yes, that's right. So, you know, there... the critics came out, savaged it. You know, the first group, I think, was 17 scientists that signed off on that paper, 2007. Actually, the- the... and- and they formed a group called the Comet Research Team organized by George Howard who runs the, uh, Cosmic Tusk website. He'd be- he'd be a great guest, by the way. He's really... he- he knows more about the Younger Dryas than I do. He's- he's... and he- he has a good comprehension of it and, uh... so he does the Cosmic Tusk web- website and he helped to organize this Comet Research Team. Now, the Comet Research Team has grown to over 50 members since 2007 and I have been out in the...... uh, field with, oh, a couple of times with, with some members of the group. Chris Moore, for example, who, um, or- originally was one of the skeptics. So, we were out, we can cut circle back to this too, the Carolina Bays, which are these unique elliptical features on the southeastern coastal plain of the United States. So, we were out in the field. It was me and, and h- him, uh, S- George Howard Graham, Hancock was with us on that one, and Malcolm LeCompte. I don't know if you remember Malcolm. He was the scientist that Graham brought in on our side during the, the great debate, right?

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:51

       Oh, during the phone call, right?

   16. RCRandall Carlson18:52

       During the phone call.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:52

       Yeah.

   18. RCRandall Carlson18:52

       That was Malcolm LeCompte. He was there. Um, so Chris Moore, you know, had a chance to, uh, have extensive conversations with him, and he basically said, "Well yeah, I originally came on as a skeptic. I was gonna debunk this, and then I began seeing the evidence, and now I'm a believer."

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:06

       Mm-hmm.

   20. RCRandall Carlson19:07

       So-

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:07

       Well, it's, it's tie- it ties neatly together, right? It really does. It seems like that, it's the thing that makes the most sense when you look at all the physical evidence-

   22. RCRandall Carlson19:17

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:17

       ... when you look at how quickly things changed. I did not know that e- that the amount of melting would have taken that long though. That, that's pretty extraordinary.

   24. RCRandall Carlson19:26

       Well, (clears throat) you see, you gotta bear in mind too that, um, what'll happen in, under normal circumstances is you'll have a melting season, summer, right? Fall comes, things get cold again. Melting stops, and then you have more ice accumulation because it's now snowing during the winter. So really, if you say 20,000 years or 15,000 years to melt, you've got to actually cut that in half or less because you're only gonna have really, especially in the northern, uh, latitudes, you're gonna only have probably three or four months out of each year where actually the ice diminishes in mass. So, that's one reason why it'll str- it's not like a continuous process. Um, but yeah, I, I think I've got the... Let's see. If I've got it right here, I'll pull this up. But yeah, so that was the thing when I discovered that in the late '70s, is when I started thinking, "Okay, so something unusual happened that we, that we don't really have an explanation for."

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:26

       Didn't you come up with the idea while you were on acid?

   26. RCRandall Carlson20:31

       Well, (laughs) what a great i- ... (laughs) Well, I would say that-

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:35

       (laughs)

   28. RCRandall Carlson20:35

       ... h- was a factor. Yes, I would.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:37

       (laughs)

   30. RCRandall Carlson20:37

       Uh-huh. Okay.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. RCRandall Carlson30:00

      it with, uh, the, the... By referencing the myth of Phaeton. And Phaeton being the son of Helios who tried to drive his father's chariot in the path of the sun and completely failed, and the, the chariot deviated off the path of the sun and it declined or deviated down to the Earth and it set the world on fire. (clears throat) Now, in the story-... of Atlantis, Solon, is hearing this story from these elderly Egyptian priests who say that they have preserved that story in their sacred registers for 9,000 years. Is that possible? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. But this is what, this is what was related, that they, that they... It was preserved in their sacred registers and in their temples for 9,000 years. And this was prior to Solon's 10-year, um, uh, sojourn in Egypt, right? Solon's sojourn in Egypt happens at 600, uh, uh, 400, 600 BC. Let me think of that. Let me think of this. Yes. So basically, if you add that to the 9,000, go back from now-

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:16

      Mm-hmm.

   3. RCRandall Carlson31:17

      ... to 600 BC, that's 2,600 years.

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:20

      Yeah.

   5. RCRandall Carlson31:20

      Add that to 9,000, what do you get?

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:22

      Yeah.

   7. RCRandall Carlson31:22

      11,600.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:24

      You get around the time of the Younger Dryas Impact.

   9. RCRandall Carlson31:25

      The end of the Younger Dryas.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       Yeah.

   11. RCRandall Carlson31:27

       Meltwater Pulse 1B.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       Mm-hmm.

   13. RCRandall Carlson31:29

       So you have a rapid rise, what John Shaw, John... Canadian geologist, the late John Shaw, uh, called a CRE, which is catastrophic rise event. So there was a catastrophic rise event at 11,600 years ago. Plato gives that date based on the chronology from Solon down through Dropides, through Critias the Elder, to Critias the Younger, then finally to Socrates and Plato. Coincidence? Perhaps. That's what the skeptic would say. It's just a coincidence. I'm not quite so ready to dismiss things like that as coincidence, because it's pretty amazing that he puts the demise of Atlantis, that it subsides beneath the ocean as a result of an earthquake and a rapid rise of sea level, and there's Meltwater Pulse 1B right there.

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       Mm-hmm.

   15. RCRandall Carlson32:24

       Who knows? But what's, to me even makes it more interesting is because he prefaces the whole story with this Phaeton myth. And then he says... Let's see. I betcha I have it right here. Let's see. Um, there we go. Let's see if we can open this up and you can see exactly what Plato says. And let's see here. If we zoom down, uh, to...

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:53

       Have you seen that geological formation in, I, I believe it's Africa? The, the rings.

   17. RCRandall Carlson33:00

       The recast structure? Yes.

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:01

       Yeah.

   19. RCRandall Carlson33:02

       Yes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan33:02

       What are your thoughts on that?

   21. RCRandall Carlson33:04

       That it's natural.

   22. JRJoe Rogan33:05

       You think it's natural?

   23. RCRandall Carlson33:06

       I think it's natural.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:06

       Yeah?

   25. RCRandall Carlson33:06

       I think it's very interesting. I, I first discovered that maybe 20 years ago because it was when it was first discovered because of NASA photography.

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:17

       Mm-hmm.

   27. RCRandall Carlson33:18

       They were looking at it and thinking this might be a multi-ringed impact structure. So I thought, oh, add this to the ever-growing list of impact structures. However, subsequent, uh, subsequent research showed that it was pretty much natural. And I think... Yeah, here we go right here. So this is, um... Since you brought it up and asked about it, you can see here there's a, uh, there's a magma body bene- beneath the structure. It's, it's volcanic.

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:51

       Mm-hmm.

   29. RCRandall Carlson33:52

       And, uh, let's see. Uh, yeah, an external basaltic ring dike is displaced by a north-northeast south-southwest fault system in the northeastern part of the structure, and is cross-cut by carbonatite dikes. So you can see there's this whole magma chamber beneath the thing.

   30. JRJoe Rogan34:11

       I see. And how do they, how do they find that?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   So, these are fossils…

   1. RCRandall Carlson45:00

      100 feet of seawater. And now, they're a mile, mile and a half below. And they're on the flanks of this, of this place right here.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      So, these are fossils that they're finding?

   3. RCRandall Carlson45:10

      Yes.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:10

      So, and they're finding fossils that ordinarily you would find in some place that was very shallow?

   5. RCRandall Carlson45:16

      Very shallow. Very shallow, yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:18

      Or relatively shallow, 100 feet.

   7. RCRandall Carlson45:20

      A hundred feet, yes. Um, so this is, this is the basic idea here. This goes back to the '60s. As it says right here, "The possible tectonic implications of glacioeustatic." Now, eustatic is the rise and fall of sea level correlated with the increase and decrease of, of glacial ice. So, if the ice is increasing, sea level is falling, and we call that eustatic sea level fall. If the ice is shrinking, melting, sea level's rising, so that's a eustatic rise. So, that's the, the mean- the meaning of that. When you see glacioeustatic, that means the rise and fall of the sea level is the result of glacier growth or melting, mkay? Uh, and it says here, "Sea level fluctuations have received only minor attention in connection with such problems as ocean floor spreading. The purpose of this report is to point out that Late Pleistocene sea level data suggests that the ocean basins have responded isostatically and by a significant amount, particularly concentrated along the Mid-Atlantic Ridge." So, um, and, uh, so y- I mean, this is... I, I've got so much here, I'm just gonna grab a couple of these things here. Yeah. So, they, they dug up these cobbles, which are, uh, the cobbles are, um... So, a cobble is basically a stone or anything that's lithified that's roughly between, um, a pebble, a pebble and a boulder. A boulder, when you get, I think, to 11 inches about, about the size of a volleyball, now you're in the realm of boulders. A cobble is in between pebbles and boulders. You know, like, you've heard of cobblestone streets-

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:59

      Mm-hmm, yeah.

   9. RCRandall Carlson47:00

      ... you know, they're fist-sized rocks, basically. So, so they say here, "The Atlantis cruiser and great meteor seamounts rise from a broad ridge or plateau which extends from the Mid-Atlantic Ridge..." Blah, blah, blah. Let's see, um, so about a ton of flat pteropod limestone cobbles was dredged from the summit area of one of these sunken mo- what they're calling the seamounts. And a seamount is like a flat-topped mountain, right? Like, the top of the mountain has been sheared off, okay? So, they pulled up these limestones, right? These limestone cobbles. They dated them. One of the cobbles gave an apparent radiocarbon age of 12,000 years plus or minus 900 years. The state of lithification, how, how much it is turned into rock, of the limestone suggests that it may have been lithified under sub-aerial conditions. In other words, in the atmosphere. That's what that means. It may have been lithified under sub-aerial conditions and the seamount may have been an island within the past 12,000 years.

   10. JRJoe Rogan48:05

       Wow.

   11. RCRandall Carlson48:07

       So, I mean, we could go through, again, hours of this kind of research. And why it's been pushed off to the side is anybody's guess, but it just doesn't fit the paradigm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan48:17

       Mm.

   13. RCRandall Carlson48:18

       But yeah, basically... Now, this doesn't prove that there was any civilization here, but we can make a very strong case that a large section of the Azores Plateau was above sea level during the late glacial maximum.

   14. JRJoe Rogan48:31

       Does it coincide with Plato's account of trade and of travel and of the way...

   15. RCRandall Carlson48:38

       Well, we have no way of knowing. See, now there we have to make a leap of faith, which is this. If... And, and if we look right here, you'll see, uh...You can see it very clearly, and you can see the Straits of Gibraltar here, which was anciently known as the Pillars of Heracles. And you come here to a group of islands, and then you get to the Azores Plateau. And here, these down here are those seamounts, those truncated seamounts. So, really, all you have to do... Here's the leap of faith you have to make. You have to go... Now, we don't... I don't get into anything like, you know, whatever, flying spaceships, or crystal ray guns, or anything like that. No, I just go by what Plato says. What he's describing is a maritime culture that had navigational abilities, something along the lines of the Minoan or the Phoenician culture, maybe, by an order of magnitude, right? So now, all we have to do, really, is assume this... which, to me, is not so pseudoscientific that we couldn't even consider it, which is that somebody, some group in the Ice Age had enough navigational skills to sail from Europe to islands right here.

   16. JRJoe Rogan49:53

       And what would be the reason why they would go there? Like, what was so exceptional, supposedly, about Atlantis?

   17. RCRandall Carlson49:58

       Well, I'll show you one thing-

   18. JRJoe Rogan49:59

       Was it it was a hub of trade? It was supposed to be a very advanced civi- city, right?

   19. RCRandall Carlson50:04

       Well, advanced in the standpoint that, yes, it was engaged in, in trade. It was, uh, it was, had a- a- a- it was, um, you know, had a, a, a broad net of, of cultural connections around the world. But if you look at this, this is... If you go right here, let's see, "The position of the Gulf Stream during Quaternary glaciations. Um, in the present-day North Atlantic Ocean, the boundary between the subtropical and subpolar gyres runs southeast, south- southwest to northeast from Hadrus to the Northern Sea." So, we'll get down here. Right, see, "In contrast, during the last glacial maximum, approximately 18,000 years ago, the gyre boundary and associated currents were more zonal and located further to the south." So, here's a map showing basically what you would have had. So, this is the Gulf Stream. So, it's bringing up the warm equatorial waters and wrapping it right around the Azores.

   20. JRJoe Rogan50:56

       Mm-hmm.

   21. RCRandall Carlson50:57

       So, if you were gonna try to, try to, uh, you know, uh, theorize or hypothesize an ideal climate during the Ice Age, there it is right there.

   22. JRJoe Rogan51:08

       Mm-hmm.

   23. RCRandall Carlson51:10

       You see?

   24. JRJoe Rogan51:11

       Yeah.

   25. RCRandall Carlson51:11

       That Gulf Stream, you know, it's the Gulf Stream now that is why you have, you know, warmth-

   26. JRJoe Rogan51:16

       Right.

   27. RCRandall Carlson51:16

       ... basically in the UK, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan51:18

       And, and is there any physical evidence other than the, the cobblestones or anything? Yeah?

   29. RCRandall Carlson51:25

       Plant remains.

   30. JRJoe Rogan51:26

       Plant remains?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. RCRandall Carlson1:00:00

      and it's spelled a little different. E-N-C-K-E as opposed to E-N-K-I. But coincidence though, Encke.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:08

      Mm-hmm.

   3. RCRandall Carlson1:00:08

      Anyways, um, so Comet Encke was probably part of a much bigger system and, uh, it was probably Earth's encounter with the Taurid meteor stream that triggered the Younger Dryas impacts.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      Mm-hmm.

   5. RCRandall Carlson1:00:21

      That's kind of... A lot of the pieces are sort of fitting together now. And the Taurid meteor stream was a much more prolific meteor stream in the past than it is now. Um, the Earth crosses the Taurid meteor stream twice each year. Um, peak's late October, early November when, uh, the stream... If you got a picture... I actually have a graphic I can pull up in a minute, but you picture this stream circling the sun and going out to Jupiter and then circling back, coming around the sun and it's laying into the plane of the ecliptic. Earth's orbit crosses that stream twice. So it crosses the stream when the stuff is coming in from out by Jupiter and that's around Halloween.... the fact they've been called the Halloween meteors... circle around the sun. And the second time the earth crosses each year is late June, early July. But now that stream is coming right from the direction of the sun, so that makes it largely invisible.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:23

      Mm-hmm.

   7. RCRandall Carlson1:01:23

      Right? Because you're looking right almost into the sun, see? Now, when you look at the Tunguska event, it was June 30th, peak of the Taurid meteor stream. If you look at its position in the sky where it came from, it was perfectly positioned to be part of that Taurid meteor stream. So it was probably, most likely, I don't... nobody's proven it, but it was... the circumstantial case is very strong that it was a part of that Taurid meteor stream. And the Taurid meteor stream right now, the radium, the place in space where that... the meteors appear to be emanating is almost targeted right on the Pleiades, which is the shoulder of the bull, th- the constellation of the bull, Taurus. And there's a whole bunch of really interesting mythology associated with that, th- that we could dive into, but it's, um... particularly like, for example, have you ever heard of Mithraism? Which Mithraism was the... in the, like, first century AD was the primary competitor to Christianity throughout the whole Roman Empire, and Christianity won out for a variety of reasons, but Mithraism was loaded with some really potent symbolism. And one of the things is that during the, um, Mithraic ceremonies or r- or rituals was called the Tauroctony, the slaying of the celestial bull. And when you look at these images, they would go underground and they would have a vault-shaped, uh, like, temple that... with stars painted on the ceiling. And at the end of that, they would have this, uh, this carving of the... of Mithras stabbing his sh- uh, sword into the... slaying the bull, the celestial bull, stabbing his, his sword into the shoulder of the bull and the blood flowing out. And if you superimpose the, uh, constellation of the, the Taurus in the classical sense, the shoulder of the bull is the Pleiades. I look at that and I go, "I think what they're s- trying to symbolize here is that on a yearly basis, they would see this meteor stream pouring out of the shoulder of the bull."

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:03:32

      Mm-hmm.

   9. RCRandall Carlson1:03:33

      And I could certainly pull up some stuff like that to look at. I thought really quickly since... before we leave the Atlantis thing, um, couple of the things this... there is... so now Solon is in Egypt, Sais, Egypt. He's talking to the ancient priests, right? And he says, "Thereupon one of the priests, who was of a very great age, said, 'So... oh, Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are but children and there's never an old man who is a Hellene.' Solon hearing this said, 'What do you mean?' The old priest said, uh, 'I mean to say that in mind you are all young, there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition nor any science which is hoary with age and I will tell you the reason for this. There have been and will be again many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes, the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water and other lesser ones by innumerable causes.'"

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:31

       Wow.

   11. RCRandall Carlson1:04:31

       "There is a story which even you, even you Hellenes who don't know shit, you know, you're like children with your knowledge, there's a story which even you have preserved, that once upon a time, Phaeton, the son of Helios, yoked to steeds of his father's chariot because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burned up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt." Now, the... now here's the key passage. "Now this has the form of a myth but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving around the earth and in the heavens and a great conflagration of things, all things upon the earth recurring at long intervals of time." So he's saying right there, he's saying, "Okay, this has a form of a myth but it's not really a myth. Behind the myth is something real and it's the body circulating in the heavens, they decline or they descend to earth and they set th- the earth on fire." So he's describing right there, you see-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:05:30

       Yeah.

   13. RCRandall Carlson1:05:30

       ... this whole phenomen- and making it clear that there's more dimensions to what we think of as myths than just some mere fanciful superstitious, you know, concoction to try to explain the unknown, that there really is something going on behind there. That's, to me, really, uh, significant.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:05:49

       It's really fascinating too when he's talking about how there's no old science and that everyone is young and he's... i- it's, it's really interesting when you think about someone from that long ago trying to make an account of what had happened to the earth with a relatively simplistic view-

   15. RCRandall Carlson1:06:12

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:06:12

       ... of... on, on... a relatively simplistic understanding of, of the sky, of, of asteroids, of volcanoes, of all these different things.

   17. RCRandall Carlson1:06:21

       All these things, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:06:22

       Yeah, but, but the way they're describing it coincides... once you have modern knowledge and understanding of these things, you go, "I s- I think I see what they're trying to say." That is so interesting.

   19. RCRandall Carlson1:06:33

       Yeah. Isn't it though?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:06:34

       Yeah.

   21. RCRandall Carlson1:06:34

       I mean, because Dorothy Vitaliano, who was a, uh, uh, uh, a, uh, geologist back... I think she died in the early '90s. She was one of the... in the forerunners of looking into the Atlantis thing and deciding that it was... uh, that it was a... that it was just a, a myth, that it was made up. Of course sh- when she w- was looking at this back in the '70s she didn't have access to the data that we now have, okay? She was the one who coined the term geomythology and said, "You know what? We really need to be taking a closer look at some of the myths of old because they actually may contain really valid information about things that happened in the past." And-... of course since then, yeah, it's, it's emerged into, like, a whole discipline in itself, looking at stories like the one we just looked at. Phaeton is a story about a great meteor or comet or asteroid, something, s- you know, causing destruction on the-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:07:30

       Ugh.

   23. RCRandall Carlson1:07:30

       ... Earth. And Plato was saying, (clears throat) "This is not just a myth."

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:07:34

       Right.

   25. RCRandall Carlson1:07:34

       "It's literal."

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:07:35

       Wow.

   27. RCRandall Carlson1:07:35

       You know? It really represents...

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:07:38

       Completely makes sense.

   29. RCRandall Carlson1:07:39

       Yeah. And then he goes on to say, um, "If any action which is noble or great or in any other way remarkable has taken place, all that has been written down of old and is preserved in our temples."

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:07:51

       Mm.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:28:11

   40,000 miles an hour.…

   1. RCRandall Carlson1:15:00

      16th. Um, that one, that one was 1300 feet in diameter. So, 10 times more diameter than Tunguska. Uh...

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:11

      40,000 miles an hour.

   3. RCRandall Carlson1:15:13

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:17

      (exhales)

   5. RCRandall Carlson1:15:17

      Halloween asteroid resembling a skull.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:19

      Oh my God, it does. Look at that.

   7. RCRandall Carlson1:15:21

      Yeah, doesn't it?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:22

      That's terrifying.

   9. RCRandall Carlson1:15:23

      (laughs) In campus R.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:24

       To have a flying skull. So this is a very, very common thing.

   11. RCRandall Carlson1:15:29

       Yes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:15:29

       And we're just getting-

   13. RCRandall Carlson1:15:30

       And it just...

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:15:30

       Oh my God, 27,000 miles?

   15. RCRandall Carlson1:15:32

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:15:33

       One-eighth the distance between the Earth and the moon.

   17. RCRandall Carlson1:15:36

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:15:38

       So, it's really common.

   19. RCRandall Carlson1:15:41

       Yes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:15:42

       And now we're just looking at when we could record it, when they can track it and measure it, which is within the last 100 years or so.

   21. RCRandall Carlson1:15:50

       Last 25 or 30 years.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:15:51

       Yeah.

   23. RCRandall Carlson1:15:52

       Really?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:15:52

       So, with this taken into consideration, and then you go back, you know, 11,000, 12,000 plus years, the amount of times that this has happened has probably been just off the charts.

   25. RCRandall Carlson1:16:06

       Hundreds of times. Hundreds of times. Yeah. Here we go.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:16:12

       Snuck up on us. "Scientists stunned by 'city killer' asteroid that just missed Earth." City killer initially, but probably kill a whole lot more afterwards.

   27. RCRandall Carlson1:16:20

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:16:20

       We were talking about Tonga earlier, um, the, the volcano that killed most people.

   29. RCRandall Carlson1:16:27

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:16:27

       It got the human race down to a few thousand-

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