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Staying offline, political hit jobs, and when apologies matter
- NANarrator
(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (heavy guitar music) Well, hey, fella. How you doing?
- ASAkaash Singh
Hey, buddy. How are you?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAkaash Singh
I'm good. You're good? You seem good.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you stay offline-
- ASAkaash Singh
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's just real life.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You just have to stay offline.
- ASAkaash Singh
And real life is people who know you-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
... and you're a great guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you, you just... life goes on-
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... as normal.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, in a lot of ways, like, all this is a relief, 'cause it's, like, just, 'cause that, that video had always been out there.
- ASAkaash Singh
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like, this is a political hit job.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so they're taking all this stuff that I've ever said that's wrong and smooshing it all together.
- ASAkaash Singh
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's good, 'cause it makes me address some shit that I really wish wasn't out there.
- ASAkaash Singh
And you know why I'm proud of you? 'Cause I, I think comedians have, for years, done this immature thing where it's like, "We don't apologize. We say whatever we want." You can apologize if you say some wild shit-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAkaash Singh
... and we've all said some wild shit, and you apologize and own that it's wrong. Good for you.
- JRJoe Rogan
You should apologize if you regret something.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
This idea that you should never apologize.
- 1:12 – 2:38
Identity, 'Blackcent' debates, and how culture shapes speech
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, you see Awkwafina? She apolo- it's like she defended-
- ASAkaash Singh
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... I guess she didn't apologize. She did, sort of defended the way she talks.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they were saying that it was a Blackcent.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Which is, you know... Come on, man.
- ASAkaash Singh
Which, uh, I probably have one of those. But it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
There's a lot of people who have those. It's fine.
- ASAkaash Singh
Can I tell you the tricky thing about not being Black or white in this country? And we're not victims, but it is tricky, because there is a way to, quote unquote, "act Black." Not that it's good or bad, but there's a Black identity and a white identity-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- ASAkaash Singh
... in America, and the rest of us just kind of have to pick a side.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- ASAkaash Singh
So there's no way for me, growing up, to act Indian. People used to ask me, "Why do you always act so Black?" And I would be like, "Buddy, if you can tell me how to act Indian, I'll do it." I swear to God, I was pre-med, I tried, didn't work out. What else can I do?
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's like hip hop culture.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? It's like sneakers and rap music and-
- ASAkaash Singh
And usually-
- JRJoe Rogan
... a lot of young kids talk in that sort of jargon.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah, and usually we identify with that, 'cause it's like, well, we're told... I grew up in a white school, and they were like, "Hey, you're not like us." So I was like, "Okay, well, I must be like these other guys."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- ASAkaash Singh
And that's why I fell into hip hop and sneakers and all these other things.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's just, uh, it's weird that there's, like, ways you're allowed to talk.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It is weird that there's, like, if you talk in a certain way, like, you can't m- Like, here's a good one. This is a neutral one. You can't have a fake Southern accent. Like, if I moved from California to Texas, and all of a sudden, I started putting on a Southern accent-
- ASAkaash Singh
I know. I'd be weird.
- JRJoe Rogan
... people would be like, "What the fuck are you doing, man?"
- ASAkaash Singh
I know, it'd be weird.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can't do that.
- 2:38 – 5:26
Austin vs. 'real Texas': independence, cities, and identity pride
- ASAkaash Singh
Can I ask you a question?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- ASAkaash Singh
When are you gonna move to Texas?
- JRJoe Rogan
Texas, Texas?
- ASAkaash Singh
Texas. You're not in Texas.
- JRJoe Rogan
What's the Texas, Texas?
- ASAkaash Singh
You're in, you're in Austin. Austin's great, but it's... People wear cowboy boots, ironically. This is not Texas.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAkaash Singh
You know what I mean?
- JRJoe Rogan
But I love it here.
- ASAkaash Singh
Oh, you love it, but it's just not Texas.
- JRJoe Rogan
But why do I have to live in Texas, Texas?
- ASAkaash Singh
Because you're a Texan, Joe. In your heart, I know you're a Texan.
- JRJoe Rogan
You think so? Interesting.
- ASAkaash Singh
Oh, you know where you belong? Fort Worth.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, Jesus.
- ASAkaash Singh
Fort Worth. I'm telling you, it's got the fucking rodeo. It's got, it is, it's Texan, but it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
My wife was just there.
- ASAkaash Singh
And she loved it, didn't she?
- JRJoe Rogan
She was just there and she sent me pictures. She's like, "Holy shit, is this Texas?"
- ASAkaash Singh
And you felt, you felt the calling?
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, no, not really.
- ASAkaash Singh
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
No, but I am doing an arena there, and I sold it out in, like, an hour.
- ASAkaash Singh
I saw that. Yeah, because they know-
- JRJoe Rogan
They know.
- ASAkaash Singh
... our, our guy's coming home.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah. (laughs)
- ASAkaash Singh
It's like your hudge, Joe. That's your hudge, is you going to Fort Worth.
- JRJoe Rogan
Texas is wild people, man. It's a, it's a interesting place to be, 'cause they're really different.
- 5:26 – 6:06
Cancel culture in entertainment and why comedy needs risk
- JRJoe Rogan
She doesn't need... But everybody feels like they do. And that world of acting is so... It's so hard to be free.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because you're always worried about your next gig. You're alwa- If you get canceled, you're fucked, 'cause if there's anything that's remotely controversial about you-
- ASAkaash Singh
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they'll go with someone else if they're casting-
- ASAkaash Singh
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... a major film, 'cause they don't want any, like, if, ands, or buts.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yes. And that's the beauty of what we do, is we get to try to be our most authentic selves.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
Like, a comedian, you're trying to be the funniest you can, but you have to peel away every layer to find who the real me is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
I was a completely different person 15 years ago, 'cause I wasn't... I just started comedy. I was this fake version of me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ASAkaash Singh
And I'm not the most authentic me yet, but I'm peeling and getting there year by year.
- 6:06 – 10:28
Finding your comedic voice: imitation, 'babies,' and joke theft
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a good way to put it.... that really is what happens, right? In the beginning, you're just kinda like, you're an imitator. You're pretending to be a comedian.
- ASAkaash Singh
Here's what a comedian acts like.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
And now-
- JRJoe Rogan
I remember when I first went on stage, I had a blazer on with, like, the pulled-up sleeves.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And I had, like, a funny T-shirt on-
- ASAkaash Singh
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... 'cause I thought that's how you had to dress.
- ASAkaash Singh
That's how, yeah. Oh, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause all the guys on, like, Evening at the Improv, that's how they dressed.
- ASAkaash Singh
Oh, I was tech, I was Chris Rock in a small Indian body.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAkaash Singh
Like, I was walking the stage the same and squinting my eyes probably, who knows?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAkaash Singh
What up, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Well, you find yourself imitating the people that... I mean, that's, there's no shame in that, like, I always talk about that. That, like, I caught myself on stage, I guess I was, like, a year in a comedy, and I was basically imitating Richard Jeni. Like, I- I-
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... I realized while I was doing it, I was like, "Oh, my God. I'm completely copying him."
- ASAkaash Singh
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, this is not authentic at all.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is just me doing my material in a Richard Jeni voice-
- ASAkaash Singh
100%.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and style.
- ASAkaash Singh
I had to stop watching Andrew at a certain point.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- ASAkaash Singh
'Cause he was so funny so fast that I would watch him and then I would f- on stage, I'd be like, "Dude, I sound like Andrew. What the hell is going on?" And we sound a little bit similar, I'm sure, 'cause we're so close, but, like, I stopped watching him for years.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
I just couldn't do it.
- 10:28 – 13:24
Apu, representation, and the overcorrection problem
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you take any sh- like, the, you have this defense of Apu which is a fucking hilarious bit.
- ASAkaash Singh
Thank you so much, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's very funny.
- ASAkaash Singh
Thank you.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so dead-on, too.
- ASAkaash Singh
I appreciate it.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, like, why is that offensive or why is that guy offensive?
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But does anybody give you a hard time about that?
- ASAkaash Singh
I'm getting some comments.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
And what I want to d- delineate I think is the word, like, differentiate?
- JRJoe Rogan
Delineate, yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
Delineate, thank you. I'm not as smart as I should be. But what I want to differentiate is the difference between your hurt feelings and being oppressed. Your hurt feelings are valid, and if kids... Kids made fun of me for it. That's valid. That hurt. I can go talk to a therapist, but you're not fucking oppressed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- ASAkaash Singh
And that's what I thought canceling Apu was. It was, we think we're oppressed and we're not at all with that shit.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's a lot of things going on, right? Like, first of all, there's a white guy doing the voice.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What's that dude's name?
- ASAkaash Singh
Henry Azaria, the fucking goat, dude. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Henk Azaria, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah, that's my guy, bro.
- JRJoe Rogan
He was on, uh, what else was he on?
- ASAkaash Singh
Oh, he's done accent... He's in everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
Been in a bunch of TV shows, right?
- ASAkaash Singh
He does a, he does a hilarious French accent in Along Came Polly that's so over the top and so ridiculous, but it's so funny. He's a guy that just does accents well.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're allowed to do French people, though.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah, it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Because it's, like, they don't have extra melanin.
- ASAkaash Singh
They don't have extra melanin-
- 13:24 – 25:51
Old Hollywood casting absurdities: Charlie Chan and John Wayne as Genghis Khan
- JRJoe Rogan
It is funny that, like, p- people now get offended if you... Like, as an actor, you're supposed to play a part, but if you play a part that should go to, like, a marginalized group, like, you're not, like... There's some egregious examples of it. Like, have you ever seen the old... if you go back to, um... What was the, uh, what, what was the, um, the detective? That he wasn't-
- ASAkaash Singh
Pink Panther?
- JRJoe Rogan
He wasn't Chinese, but, uh, they would play a Chinese detective. It was, like, famous old black and white shit. He was a, a Chinese detective that would always, like, f- you know, solve crimes and murders and shit, but it was a white guy with, like, the worst makeup.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah, that's crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fuck, what was his name?
- ASAkaash Singh
If-
- JRJoe Rogan
I can't, I can't believe I can't remember his name, 'cause we've talked about this before.
- ASAkaash Singh
If you are a living human being putting on makeup to look like a different race, that's probably past the line.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so bad, too.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It looks so clunky.
- ASAkaash Singh
I'm sure it does.
- JRJoe Rogan
What was it?
- NANarrator
Uh.
- JRJoe Rogan
It was, uh, from the 1950s. He was a detective. Goddamn it.
- ASAkaash Singh
I remember Pink Panther from the '80s, which my dad thought was hilarious, and there were some anti-Asian jokes in there for sure. The guy talking about slanted eyes and shit like that, and that's rough to rewatch. But like, it's gonna be tricky. We're gonna get some things right and some things wrong. I just think Apu was an overcorrection. That's it.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's it. Charlie Chan.
- ASAkaash Singh
Holy shit, dude. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So-
- ASAkaash Singh
That's funny.
- JRJoe Rogan
... Chinese-American detective Charlie Chan was called in to help solve baffling cases, aided by his number one son. So, this is, uh, J. Carrol Naish.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the guy. But let... Show me some pictures of him. 'Cause Charlie Chan, the, uh, the guy who played Charlie Chan was white as fuck.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, it, it doesn't even look remotely-
- ASAkaash Singh
But, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
... Chinese.
- ASAkaash Singh
But this is also 60 years ago.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, and so the, uh, the reality was, like, maybe they didn't have anybody.
- ASAkaash Singh
They might've not had anybody. They probably more likely didn't care in the '60s when they didn't even let Black people drink from the same water fountain or go to the same schools.
- 25:51 – 31:50
Career paths and luck: Joe’s early TV break vs. Akaash’s industry friction
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I've been doing comedy for 33 years.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah, that's true. But you also-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a long ass time.
- ASAkaash Singh
I mean, Newsradio was what, '96 or something like that?
- JRJoe Rogan
'94 ... No. '90 ... Yeah. '94?
- ASAkaash Singh
So I, yeah, I was close.
- JRJoe Rogan
'94. Yeah, '94 to '99. Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
So yeah. You haven't had that moment, I assume, in a while.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's been a long time, man.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And I, and I was unreasonably successful very early.
- ASAkaash Singh
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
So totally unfair.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, I was on television six years into comedy, I was on a network sitcom.
- ASAkaash Singh
How did you do that? 'Cause back then-
- JRJoe Rogan
White privilege.
- ASAkaash Singh
... that was all the- Oh, there you go.
- JRJoe Rogan
Purely white privilege.
- ASAkaash Singh
There you go. No, I get that.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- ASAkaash Singh
No, I ... That makes sense. There's privilege.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's white privilege.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah, 100%.
- JRJoe Rogan
Man.
- ASAkaash Singh
But yeah, I remember seeing you, and I was like, "Dude, this guy just had fucking longevity."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Well, I think, um, I just got real lucky in the beginning, that, uh, I got on MTV, and I had a really good set on MTV. I did the MTV Half-Hour Comedy Hour. And that was back in the day where they were giving people development deals, because they wanted-
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... everybody to be the next Seinfeld-
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- 31:50 – 56:51
Comedy tribe, mentors, and building outside the gatekeepers (Russell, Schulz, Breaking Points)
- JRJoe Rogan
But your parents, did they know about Russell?
- ASAkaash Singh
They did after and then they were like, "Be friends with him."
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah. (laughs)
- ASAkaash Singh
Like, my mom tried really hard. Russell-
- JRJoe Rogan
To get you to be friends with Russell Peters.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah, my mom tried really hard and Russell's the fucking GOAT, dude. I love Russell.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's the best.
- ASAkaash Singh
He's the best guy. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, I wear a watch for every comedy special that Russell gave me.
- ASAkaash Singh
Really? What kind of watch?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a Breitling.
- ASAkaash Singh
Oh, that's great.
- JRJoe Rogan
And this is, this is Russell. We were at a casino in Vegas and we're there for the fights. And Russell, I forget if he was in town, if he's in town working and we're in the same place at the same time, we're all hanging out together. But I just go, "Oh, that's a dope watch." And he just goes, "Here, it's yours."
- ASAkaash Singh
Unbelievable, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just took it off and gave me this-
- ASAkaash Singh
I've heard that story.
- JRJoe Rogan
... like $5,000 watch.
- ASAkaash Singh
I've heard that story with multiple people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, dude.
- ASAkaash Singh
I was looking at a watch. I just said, "Hey, that's a cool watch," and he just bought it for me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, he's the most generous, sweet, kind guy. He's so, he's so solid.
- ASAkaash Singh
So loyal.
- JRJoe Rogan
If anybody doesn't like Russell, if Russell doesn't like anybody-
- ASAkaash Singh
I trust their instincts.
- JRJoe Rogan
I ... If, if you don't ... If Russell doesn't like you, I write you off immediately.
- ASAkaash Singh
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Because like, there's no way.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like for some people it's like, "Ah, he has problems with people. He's always starting problems." You know, he's like-
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- 56:51 – 1:04:18
Real stakes for speech: jailed comics in India and Taliban violence
- JRJoe Rogan
One of the things, the first thing the Taliban did when they took over Afghanistan is murder an Afghani comedian.
- ASAkaash Singh
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
Fuck.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, there was an Afghan... See if you can find that. There was an Afghani comedian who was critical of the Taliban. One of the first things they did when the United States left is they killed that dude.
- ASAkaash Singh
That's wild.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
He was-
- JRJoe Rogan
He was, like, one of the first guys they went after.
- ASAkaash Singh
But you know that censorship is not only Afghanistan. India jailed a Muslim comedian for allegedly making an anti-Hindu joke.
- JRJoe Rogan
(gasps)
- ASAkaash Singh
Allegedly. There's no evidence that it happened. You can look this up, Jimmy, if you're down. Munawar Faruqui. It's M-U-N-A-W-A-R, and then Faruqui is F-A-R-U-Q-U-I. He allegedly made a good joke about Saint Sita who was a Hindu goddess. There is no evidence of it whatsoever, but just the hearsay was enough that he spent a month in jail.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- ASAkaash Singh
Like, active suppression of freedom of speech over there.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, someone claimed they heard it at a club?
- ASAkaash Singh
Someone claimed they heard it at a club, and then they, at a different show, like, followed him to that spot and then arrested him when he got out, and they wouldn't let him out-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- ASAkaash Singh
... for a month. And the only reason he got let out is because it became a big controversy and they relented to pressure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my God.
- ASAkaash Singh
So, that's where I'm talking to, like, the- the people here, the South Asians who are doing the woke shit about, like, Apu. It's like, "Yo, where are you on this?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- ASAkaash Singh
You don't have to be an activist. I'm not an activist. But if you're gonna be an activist, Apu ain't shit. Go free this guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's dangerous, though.
- ASAkaash Singh
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the difference, right?
- ASAkaash Singh
Well, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There it is.
- ASAkaash Singh
I mean, um, I guarantee you I'll get death threats just for bringing this up, and people will say I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- ASAkaash Singh
There's a time.com article also. Oh, it's BBC. That's fine, too.
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