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Joe Rogan Experience #1773 - Akaash Singh

Akaash Singh is a stand-up comedian, podcaster, and actor. You can hear him along with Andrew Schulz on the "Flagrant 2" podcast, and watch his new special, "Bring Back Apu," available now on YouTube.

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  1. 0:001:12

    Staying offline, political hit jobs, and when apologies matter

    1. NA

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (heavy guitar music) Well, hey, fella. How you doing?

    3. AS

      Hey, buddy. How are you?

    4. JR

      (laughs)

    5. AS

      I'm good. You're good? You seem good.

    6. JR

      If you stay offline-

    7. AS

      (laughs)

    8. JR

      ... it's just real life.

    9. AS

      Yeah.

    10. JR

      You just have to stay offline.

    11. AS

      And real life is people who know you-

    12. JR

      Yeah.

    13. AS

      ... and you're a great guy.

    14. JR

      Yeah, you, you just... life goes on-

    15. AS

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      ... as normal.

    17. AS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      You know, in a lot of ways, like, all this is a relief, 'cause it's, like, just, 'cause that, that video had always been out there.

    19. AS

      Right.

    20. JR

      It's like, this is a political hit job.

    21. AS

      Yes.

    22. JR

      And so they're taking all this stuff that I've ever said that's wrong and smooshing it all together.

    23. AS

      Right.

    24. JR

      But it's good, 'cause it makes me address some shit that I really wish wasn't out there.

    25. AS

      And you know why I'm proud of you? 'Cause I, I think comedians have, for years, done this immature thing where it's like, "We don't apologize. We say whatever we want." You can apologize if you say some wild shit-

    26. JR

      (laughs)

    27. AS

      ... and we've all said some wild shit, and you apologize and own that it's wrong. Good for you.

    28. JR

      You should apologize if you regret something.

    29. AS

      Yes.

    30. JR

      This idea that you should never apologize.

  2. 1:122:38

    Identity, 'Blackcent' debates, and how culture shapes speech

    1. JR

      Like, you see Awkwafina? She apolo- it's like she defended-

    2. AS

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      ... I guess she didn't apologize. She did, sort of defended the way she talks.

    4. AS

      Yes.

    5. JR

      And they were saying that it was a Blackcent.

    6. AS

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      Which is, you know... Come on, man.

    8. AS

      Which, uh, I probably have one of those. But it's-

    9. JR

      There's a lot of people who have those. It's fine.

    10. AS

      Can I tell you the tricky thing about not being Black or white in this country? And we're not victims, but it is tricky, because there is a way to, quote unquote, "act Black." Not that it's good or bad, but there's a Black identity and a white identity-

    11. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    12. AS

      ... in America, and the rest of us just kind of have to pick a side.

    13. JR

      Ah.

    14. AS

      So there's no way for me, growing up, to act Indian. People used to ask me, "Why do you always act so Black?" And I would be like, "Buddy, if you can tell me how to act Indian, I'll do it." I swear to God, I was pre-med, I tried, didn't work out. What else can I do?

    15. JR

      Well, it's like hip hop culture.

    16. AS

      Yes.

    17. JR

      You know? It's like sneakers and rap music and-

    18. AS

      And usually-

    19. JR

      ... a lot of young kids talk in that sort of jargon.

    20. AS

      Yeah, and usually we identify with that, 'cause it's like, well, we're told... I grew up in a white school, and they were like, "Hey, you're not like us." So I was like, "Okay, well, I must be like these other guys."

    21. JR

      Mm.

    22. AS

      And that's why I fell into hip hop and sneakers and all these other things.

    23. JR

      Well, it's just, uh, it's weird that there's, like, ways you're allowed to talk.

    24. AS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      It is weird that there's, like, if you talk in a certain way, like, you can't m- Like, here's a good one. This is a neutral one. You can't have a fake Southern accent. Like, if I moved from California to Texas, and all of a sudden, I started putting on a Southern accent-

    26. AS

      I know. I'd be weird.

    27. JR

      ... people would be like, "What the fuck are you doing, man?"

    28. AS

      I know, it'd be weird.

    29. JR

      You can't do that.

  3. 2:385:26

    Austin vs. 'real Texas': independence, cities, and identity pride

    1. AS

      Can I ask you a question?

    2. JR

      Yes.

    3. AS

      When are you gonna move to Texas?

    4. JR

      Texas, Texas?

    5. AS

      Texas. You're not in Texas.

    6. JR

      What's the Texas, Texas?

    7. AS

      You're in, you're in Austin. Austin's great, but it's... People wear cowboy boots, ironically. This is not Texas.

    8. JR

      (laughs)

    9. AS

      You know what I mean?

    10. JR

      But I love it here.

    11. AS

      Oh, you love it, but it's just not Texas.

    12. JR

      But why do I have to live in Texas, Texas?

    13. AS

      Because you're a Texan, Joe. In your heart, I know you're a Texan.

    14. JR

      You think so? Interesting.

    15. AS

      Oh, you know where you belong? Fort Worth.

    16. JR

      Oh, Jesus.

    17. AS

      Fort Worth. I'm telling you, it's got the fucking rodeo. It's got, it is, it's Texan, but it's-

    18. JR

      My wife was just there.

    19. AS

      And she loved it, didn't she?

    20. JR

      She was just there and she sent me pictures. She's like, "Holy shit, is this Texas?"

    21. AS

      And you felt, you felt the calling?

    22. JR

      Uh, no, not really.

    23. AS

      (laughs)

    24. JR

      No, but I am doing an arena there, and I sold it out in, like, an hour.

    25. AS

      I saw that. Yeah, because they know-

    26. JR

      They know.

    27. AS

      ... our, our guy's coming home.

    28. JR

      Ah. (laughs)

    29. AS

      It's like your hudge, Joe. That's your hudge, is you going to Fort Worth.

    30. JR

      Texas is wild people, man. It's a, it's a interesting place to be, 'cause they're really different.

  4. 5:266:06

    Cancel culture in entertainment and why comedy needs risk

    1. JR

      She doesn't need... But everybody feels like they do. And that world of acting is so... It's so hard to be free.

    2. AS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      Because you're always worried about your next gig. You're alwa- If you get canceled, you're fucked, 'cause if there's anything that's remotely controversial about you-

    4. AS

      Yes.

    5. JR

      ... they'll go with someone else if they're casting-

    6. AS

      Yes.

    7. JR

      ... a major film, 'cause they don't want any, like, if, ands, or buts.

    8. AS

      Yes. And that's the beauty of what we do, is we get to try to be our most authentic selves.

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. AS

      Like, a comedian, you're trying to be the funniest you can, but you have to peel away every layer to find who the real me is.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. AS

      I was a completely different person 15 years ago, 'cause I wasn't... I just started comedy. I was this fake version of me.

    13. JR

      Right.

    14. AS

      And I'm not the most authentic me yet, but I'm peeling and getting there year by year.

  5. 6:0610:28

    Finding your comedic voice: imitation, 'babies,' and joke theft

    1. JR

      That's a good way to put it.... that really is what happens, right? In the beginning, you're just kinda like, you're an imitator. You're pretending to be a comedian.

    2. AS

      Here's what a comedian acts like.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. AS

      And now-

    5. JR

      I remember when I first went on stage, I had a blazer on with, like, the pulled-up sleeves.

    6. AS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    7. JR

      And I had, like, a funny T-shirt on-

    8. AS

      Right.

    9. JR

      ... 'cause I thought that's how you had to dress.

    10. AS

      That's how, yeah. Oh, dude.

    11. JR

      'Cause all the guys on, like, Evening at the Improv, that's how they dressed.

    12. AS

      Oh, I was tech, I was Chris Rock in a small Indian body.

    13. JR

      (laughs)

    14. AS

      Like, I was walking the stage the same and squinting my eyes probably, who knows?

    15. JR

      (laughs)

    16. AS

      What up, yeah.

    17. JR

      Yeah. Well, you find yourself imitating the people that... I mean, that's, there's no shame in that, like, I always talk about that. That, like, I caught myself on stage, I guess I was, like, a year in a comedy, and I was basically imitating Richard Jeni. Like, I- I-

    18. AS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    19. JR

      ... I realized while I was doing it, I was like, "Oh, my God. I'm completely copying him."

    20. AS

      Right.

    21. JR

      Like, this is not authentic at all.

    22. AS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      This is just me doing my material in a Richard Jeni voice-

    24. AS

      100%.

    25. JR

      ... and style.

    26. AS

      I had to stop watching Andrew at a certain point.

    27. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    28. AS

      'Cause he was so funny so fast that I would watch him and then I would f- on stage, I'd be like, "Dude, I sound like Andrew. What the hell is going on?" And we sound a little bit similar, I'm sure, 'cause we're so close, but, like, I stopped watching him for years.

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. AS

      I just couldn't do it.

  6. 10:2813:24

    Apu, representation, and the overcorrection problem

    1. JR

      Did you take any sh- like, the, you have this defense of Apu which is a fucking hilarious bit.

    2. AS

      Thank you so much, man.

    3. JR

      It's very funny.

    4. AS

      Thank you.

    5. JR

      It's so dead-on, too.

    6. AS

      I appreciate it.

    7. JR

      It's, like, why is that offensive or why is that guy offensive?

    8. AS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      But does anybody give you a hard time about that?

    10. AS

      I'm getting some comments.

    11. JR

      Yeah.

    12. AS

      And what I want to d- delineate I think is the word, like, differentiate?

    13. JR

      Delineate, yeah.

    14. AS

      Delineate, thank you. I'm not as smart as I should be. But what I want to differentiate is the difference between your hurt feelings and being oppressed. Your hurt feelings are valid, and if kids... Kids made fun of me for it. That's valid. That hurt. I can go talk to a therapist, but you're not fucking oppressed.

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. AS

      And that's what I thought canceling Apu was. It was, we think we're oppressed and we're not at all with that shit.

    17. JR

      Well, there's a lot of things going on, right? Like, first of all, there's a white guy doing the voice.

    18. AS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      What's that dude's name?

    20. AS

      Henry Azaria, the fucking goat, dude. (laughs)

    21. JR

      Henk Azaria, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    22. AS

      Yeah, that's my guy, bro.

    23. JR

      He was on, uh, what else was he on?

    24. AS

      Oh, he's done accent... He's in everything.

    25. JR

      Been in a bunch of TV shows, right?

    26. AS

      He does a, he does a hilarious French accent in Along Came Polly that's so over the top and so ridiculous, but it's so funny. He's a guy that just does accents well.

    27. JR

      You're allowed to do French people, though.

    28. AS

      Yeah, it's-

    29. JR

      Because it's, like, they don't have extra melanin.

    30. AS

      They don't have extra melanin-

  7. 13:2425:51

    Old Hollywood casting absurdities: Charlie Chan and John Wayne as Genghis Khan

    1. JR

      It is funny that, like, p- people now get offended if you... Like, as an actor, you're supposed to play a part, but if you play a part that should go to, like, a marginalized group, like, you're not, like... There's some egregious examples of it. Like, have you ever seen the old... if you go back to, um... What was the, uh, what, what was the, um, the detective? That he wasn't-

    2. AS

      Pink Panther?

    3. JR

      He wasn't Chinese, but, uh, they would play a Chinese detective. It was, like, famous old black and white shit. He was a, a Chinese detective that would always, like, f- you know, solve crimes and murders and shit, but it was a white guy with, like, the worst makeup.

    4. AS

      Yeah, that's crazy.

    5. JR

      Fuck, what was his name?

    6. AS

      If-

    7. JR

      I can't, I can't believe I can't remember his name, 'cause we've talked about this before.

    8. AS

      If you are a living human being putting on makeup to look like a different race, that's probably past the line.

    9. JR

      It's so bad, too.

    10. AS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      It looks so clunky.

    12. AS

      I'm sure it does.

    13. JR

      What was it?

    14. NA

      Uh.

    15. JR

      It was, uh, from the 1950s. He was a detective. Goddamn it.

    16. AS

      I remember Pink Panther from the '80s, which my dad thought was hilarious, and there were some anti-Asian jokes in there for sure. The guy talking about slanted eyes and shit like that, and that's rough to rewatch. But like, it's gonna be tricky. We're gonna get some things right and some things wrong. I just think Apu was an overcorrection. That's it.

    17. JR

      That's it. Charlie Chan.

    18. AS

      Holy shit, dude. (laughs)

    19. JR

      Yeah. So-

    20. AS

      That's funny.

    21. JR

      ... Chinese-American detective Charlie Chan was called in to help solve baffling cases, aided by his number one son. So, this is, uh, J. Carrol Naish.

    22. AS

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      That's the guy. But let... Show me some pictures of him. 'Cause Charlie Chan, the, uh, the guy who played Charlie Chan was white as fuck.

    24. AS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Like, it, it doesn't even look remotely-

    26. AS

      But, uh-

    27. JR

      ... Chinese.

    28. AS

      But this is also 60 years ago.

    29. JR

      Like, and so the, uh, the reality was, like, maybe they didn't have anybody.

    30. AS

      They might've not had anybody. They probably more likely didn't care in the '60s when they didn't even let Black people drink from the same water fountain or go to the same schools.

  8. 25:5131:50

    Career paths and luck: Joe’s early TV break vs. Akaash’s industry friction

    1. JR

      Well, I've been doing comedy for 33 years.

    2. AS

      Yeah, that's true. But you also-

    3. JR

      It's a long ass time.

    4. AS

      I mean, Newsradio was what, '96 or something like that?

    5. JR

      '94 ... No. '90 ... Yeah. '94?

    6. AS

      So I, yeah, I was close.

    7. JR

      '94. Yeah, '94 to '99. Yeah.

    8. AS

      So yeah. You haven't had that moment, I assume, in a while.

    9. JR

      It's been a long time, man.

    10. AS

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      And I, and I was unreasonably successful very early.

    12. AS

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      So totally unfair.

    14. AS

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      Like, I was on television six years into comedy, I was on a network sitcom.

    16. AS

      How did you do that? 'Cause back then-

    17. JR

      White privilege.

    18. AS

      ... that was all the- Oh, there you go.

    19. JR

      Purely white privilege.

    20. AS

      There you go. No, I get that.

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. AS

      No, I ... That makes sense. There's privilege.

    23. JR

      That's white privilege.

    24. AS

      Yeah, 100%.

    25. JR

      Man.

    26. AS

      But yeah, I remember seeing you, and I was like, "Dude, this guy just had fucking longevity."

    27. JR

      Yeah. Well, I think, um, I just got real lucky in the beginning, that, uh, I got on MTV, and I had a really good set on MTV. I did the MTV Half-Hour Comedy Hour. And that was back in the day where they were giving people development deals, because they wanted-

    28. AS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      ... everybody to be the next Seinfeld-

    30. AS

      Yeah.

  9. 31:5056:51

    Comedy tribe, mentors, and building outside the gatekeepers (Russell, Schulz, Breaking Points)

    1. JR

      But your parents, did they know about Russell?

    2. AS

      They did after and then they were like, "Be friends with him."

    3. JR

      Ah. (laughs)

    4. AS

      Like, my mom tried really hard. Russell-

    5. JR

      To get you to be friends with Russell Peters.

    6. AS

      Yeah, my mom tried really hard and Russell's the fucking GOAT, dude. I love Russell.

    7. JR

      He's the best.

    8. AS

      He's the best guy. Um-

    9. JR

      You know, I wear a watch for every comedy special that Russell gave me.

    10. AS

      Really? What kind of watch?

    11. JR

      It's a Breitling.

    12. AS

      Oh, that's great.

    13. JR

      And this is, this is Russell. We were at a casino in Vegas and we're there for the fights. And Russell, I forget if he was in town, if he's in town working and we're in the same place at the same time, we're all hanging out together. But I just go, "Oh, that's a dope watch." And he just goes, "Here, it's yours."

    14. AS

      Unbelievable, man.

    15. JR

      Just took it off and gave me this-

    16. AS

      I've heard that story.

    17. JR

      ... like $5,000 watch.

    18. AS

      I've heard that story with multiple people.

    19. JR

      Yeah, dude.

    20. AS

      I was looking at a watch. I just said, "Hey, that's a cool watch," and he just bought it for me.

    21. JR

      Dude, he's the most generous, sweet, kind guy. He's so, he's so solid.

    22. AS

      So loyal.

    23. JR

      If anybody doesn't like Russell, if Russell doesn't like anybody-

    24. AS

      I trust their instincts.

    25. JR

      I ... If, if you don't ... If Russell doesn't like you, I write you off immediately.

    26. AS

      (laughs) Yeah.

    27. JR

      Because like, there's no way.

    28. AS

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      Like for some people it's like, "Ah, he has problems with people. He's always starting problems." You know, he's like-

    30. AS

      Yeah.

  10. 56:511:04:18

    Real stakes for speech: jailed comics in India and Taliban violence

    1. JR

      One of the things, the first thing the Taliban did when they took over Afghanistan is murder an Afghani comedian.

    2. AS

      Really?

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. AS

      Fuck.

    5. JR

      Yeah, there was an Afghan... See if you can find that. There was an Afghani comedian who was critical of the Taliban. One of the first things they did when the United States left is they killed that dude.

    6. AS

      That's wild.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. AS

      He was-

    9. JR

      He was, like, one of the first guys they went after.

    10. AS

      But you know that censorship is not only Afghanistan. India jailed a Muslim comedian for allegedly making an anti-Hindu joke.

    11. JR

      (gasps)

    12. AS

      Allegedly. There's no evidence that it happened. You can look this up, Jimmy, if you're down. Munawar Faruqui. It's M-U-N-A-W-A-R, and then Faruqui is F-A-R-U-Q-U-I. He allegedly made a good joke about Saint Sita who was a Hindu goddess. There is no evidence of it whatsoever, but just the hearsay was enough that he spent a month in jail.

    13. JR

      Oh, my God.

    14. AS

      Like, active suppression of freedom of speech over there.

    15. JR

      So, someone claimed they heard it at a club?

    16. AS

      Someone claimed they heard it at a club, and then they, at a different show, like, followed him to that spot and then arrested him when he got out, and they wouldn't let him out-

    17. JR

      Oh, my God.

    18. AS

      ... for a month. And the only reason he got let out is because it became a big controversy and they relented to pressure.

    19. JR

      Oh, my God.

    20. AS

      So, that's where I'm talking to, like, the- the people here, the South Asians who are doing the woke shit about, like, Apu. It's like, "Yo, where are you on this?"

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. AS

      You don't have to be an activist. I'm not an activist. But if you're gonna be an activist, Apu ain't shit. Go free this guy.

    23. JR

      That's dangerous, though.

    24. AS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      That's the difference, right?

    26. AS

      Well, yeah.

    27. JR

      There it is.

    28. AS

      I mean, um, I guarantee you I'll get death threats just for bringing this up, and people will say I don't know.

    29. JR

      Really?

    30. AS

      There's a time.com article also. Oh, it's BBC. That's fine, too.

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