Joe Rogan Experience #1831 - Colion Noir

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   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Oh, salute, my friend. Good to see you.

   4. CNColion Noir0:14

      Good.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Always good to see you. Mm. I wish I didn't see you so often after mass shootings, though.

   6. CNColion Noir0:21

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      'Cause it seems like so many times when there's a, uh, gun control ... Well, you're the first guy I always call.

   8. CNColion Noir0:27

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Because, uh, I think you're the very best at, um, explaining gun issues from, first of all, from a Second Amendment perspective, from an enthusiast perspective, and also you're a lawyer.

   10. CNColion Noir0:39

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       So you, (sighs) you understand, like, the law aspect of it better than, uh, anybody that I know. So I always wanna talk to you when some shit is going down. But the, um, the current mass shooting, the, the most recent one-

   12. CNColion Noir0:56

       Mm-hmm. Uvalde.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       ... was... Y- it's like, it, there's so many of 'em that it, it gets to a point where you, you go, (sighs) like, y- people almost just go numb. Like, they don't know what to do.

   14. CNColion Noir1:07

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       And then there's a lot of s- scrambling and, and crying out for legislation.

   16. CNColion Noir1:13

       Legislation, yeah. Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:13

       Yeah.

   18. CNColion Noir1:14

       I think it's, it's ... You know, one, no one can deny, our media does a beautiful job memorializing everything about every mass shooting in terms of the killer, what we know about him. You know, we ... Th- for the most part, almost sensationalizing it. And so, there is something to be said that, you know, (laughs) someone walking into a school, somebody walking into a building where you don't expect it and shooting a bunch of people deserves that type of attention. I'm not, I'm not gonna be so naive as to say that, you know, I don't get why anybody ever ... why they cover it so much. But there is a admitted l- sense of helplessness when these things happen-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Yeah.

   20. CNColion Noir1:52

       ... where it's like, "Okay, so what do we do? What can we do?" Um, I think the, the scapegoat route is gun control, because I think what it does is it tells ... It, it gives us that, the immediate gratification of, "All right, we did something. We passed this. All right, uh, now let, let's move on and hope it never happens again." The problem is, though, it never touches the underlying issues about why people would do this. Like, this is weird. It's fucking odd. It's not normal for people who wanna go out and just kill as many people as possible.

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:22

       And not just that, just kill children.

   22. CNColion Noir2:24

       Y- that's even ... That, and that takes it to a whole new level, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Yeah. And this, this guy, uh, I mean, obviously there was something really wrong with him. You're, uh, figured out-

   24. CNColion Noir2:35

       Just wanted dead, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       I th- uh, but the, the thing about the killing the children is, it's like it's ... That's why school shootings are so fucked, 'cause they're the most horrific version of a mass shooting, because you're going after innocent little kids.

   26. CNColion Noir2:49

       Yep.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       And this was the most evil. And then there's, there's ... Oh, so there's so much to this one, right?

   28. CNColion Noir2:54

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       There's so much to the amount of time that the cops were outside that they didn't do anything, 'cause they didn't wanna get shot.

   30. CNColion Noir3:00

       But that's, that's just it too, though, which is the weird thing for me. So we, we, we can acknowledge that in this situation, the same situation had happened in Florida, right? There were the, the resource officer didn't go in in time when he could've probably stopped it sooner.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Proficient. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      are proficient-

   2. CNColion Noir15:01

      Proficient.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      ... at shooting.

   4. CNColion Noir15:01

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      Why don't people have to do that?

   6. CNColion Noir15:04

      Well, because we, we are talking about a constitutional right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      Right.

   8. CNColion Noir15:06

      So the s- the standard is a lot different than say, "Okay, we're giving you the privilege to drive this car on the road." So like with the car, I can own any car I want. If I have private property, I can drive all over that private property without any education, without any instruction or any of that stuff. Now, the moment I wanna step out into the public with this car and drive it on public roads, that's when I have to get a license, get registration, and all of those things.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:28

      Okay. I see what you're saying.

   10. CNColion Noir15:29

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       So if someone wants to have a gun-

   12. CNColion Noir15:32

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       ... and they wanna take it somewhere, then they have to go through these examinations.

   14. CNColion Noir15:35

       Generally speaking. So like-

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       But not here.

   16. CNColion Noir15:38

       ... that used to be the case in Texas. Now, no. Now we have constitutional carry, which means that you don't have to go through those, those procedures in order to carry a firearm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       So here's the story. Uber also released a statement. Uh, "Unfortunately, we aren't able to comment on pending litigation." This is about the guy who's a Uber driver. "As we've released, uh, in the past, this incident is not related to the Uber platform." It says, "For now, this gentleman, Perry, remains indicted on multiple charges, including murder, in this case. In August, his attempt to get the murder charge dropped was denied." Um, from what I understand, this is, uh, has to do with the district attorney in Austin, that they, uh... You know, we have a lot of very liberal-

   18. CNColion Noir16:18

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       ... district attorneys in this country. They just, uh, repealed the guy in San Francisco to screams and cheers of people who are dealing with unprecedented crime and homelessness there. And-

   20. CNColion Noir16:29

       Don't get me started on San Francisco, bro.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Oh, well, you're the one who told me about it.

   22. CNColion Noir16:32

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       You're the one who explained to me the whole homeless situation. And we've talked about it-

   24. CNColion Noir16:36

       Yep.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       ... multiple times and, and-

   26. CNColion Noir16:37

       It's-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:37

       ... credited you with explaining it. You know, since you're a lawyer and you understand like the... you understand like the inner workings of the machine in a way that I probably don't.

   28. CNColion Noir16:47

       I'm gonna be honest with you. You know what got me to understand it? It wasn't me being a lawyer. It was me being on the ground and seeing this shit and talking to the people. That's what really set it off for me, because when I was with the NRA and we were doing these mini documentaries, going to these different places and talking to the people on the ground, they were explaining stuff to me. You can watch the video. You'll see it in my face. Like, I'm like... The same way you react is the same way I reacted when I first heard it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       I thought it was a funding thing.

   30. CNColion Noir17:10

       Uh-huh.
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   That's- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      early who were violent criminals 'cause they don't have any room in the jails or the, or the DA just seems-

   2. CNColion Noir30:06

      That's-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      ... to think it's a good idea that-

   4. CNColion Noir30:07

      That's another thing, too, that people are not factoring in. After COVID, the bottom fell out.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      Yeah.

   6. CNColion Noir30:14

      That's what people aren't talking about. Like, when, when, when you had all these shutdowns and people couldn't work, and basically shut down the economy ... I mean, you gotta understand what that does to a lot of people who are already sitting on the bottom.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      Yeah.

   8. CNColion Noir30:28

      So when the bottom falls out, what do you think is gonna happen?

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:31

      Right.

   10. CNColion Noir30:31

       You know, people who are already in dire straits are now in desperate straits and they're, they're doing anything, right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:35

       Right.

   12. CNColion Noir30:35

       I'm not justifying the action by any stretch of the imagination.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       Also, you know, they don't-

   14. CNColion Noir30:38

       I'm just saying don't be surprised.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:39

       They don't think there's repercussions anymore.

   16. CNColion Noir30:41

       Yeah. And that's another thing, too, right?

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       That's a big thing.

   18. CNColion Noir30:43

       Yeah. And that's ... And, and-It, it amazes me how people don't understand this. And I think what it is, is a lot of people just like to live in their own little bubbles.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       Right.

   20. CNColion Noir30:55

       And they don't like to address things until that thing breaks into their bubble. And when it does, it's like, "Please, government, do something! Make it stop right now!"

   21. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       Yeah. Yeah.

   22. CNColion Noir31:03

       And it's like, it's too late. It's already there.

   23. JRJoe Rogan31:06

       Right.

   24. CNColion Noir31:07

       Right? And the government you thought you were gonna be able to depend on, yeah, you could depend on them when shit ain't happening.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       Yeah.

   26. CNColion Noir31:13

       But when shit starts happening en masse, it's not even, it's not even always the fact that they don't wanna do anything or they just choose not to do it. It's they can't. They can't. There just aren't enough people.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       Right.

   28. CNColion Noir31:24

       So at that point, they realize, "Shit, I'm on my own." And you should've realized that in the middle of the whole situation, because when, when this, when the, pretty much the world was shut down, you were on your own. When we were having protests and riots every other day it seemed like, and another city was burning every other day, and they were like, "Yeah, we're..." The cops were like, "Yeah, we, there's not much we can do. You're kinda on your own." That, that should've sunk right then and there and let you know that the only person responsible for your safety is you. The cops, the government, that's supplemental. You're not supposed to rely on it. You can't rely on it, even if you want to.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:01

       The amount of time that it takes them just to respond.

   30. CNColion Noir32:03

       It's just, it, it's not happening.
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   In this country? …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

   2. CNColion Noir45:00

      In this country?

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      I... (sighs) Are there any charges that are being brought up against the cops that didn't go in?

   4. CNColion Noir45:09

      Th- n- not that I'm aware of.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      How do you keep a job?

   6. CNColion Noir45:14

      I... (sighs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      How do you, how do you... Schools and districts. How many schools in the US? There are about 130,930 public and private K through 12 schools in the United States according to 2017, 2018 data.

   8. CNColion Noir45:29

      So, expensive.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      Yeah.

   10. CNColion Noir45:31

       Super expensive.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       Well, yeah, but again, $40 billion goes to Ukraine-

   12. CNColion Noir45:36

       Exactly.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       ... like that.

   14. CNColion Noir45:37

       Like that.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:37

       In the middle of a, uh, academic downslide.

   16. CNColion Noir45:41

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:41

       But, yeah.

   18. CNColion Noir45:42

       So, I mean... But then again, these are the same people that are always telling us, "Well, how much is a kid's life worth?"

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Right, right.

   20. CNColion Noir45:47

       Right?

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       So there should be absolutely some measure of protection that stops this from being som- stops it from being available to someone that... Someone could just get into the school.

   22. CNColion Noir46:00

       Yes. Uh, that means... I think that's bare minimum.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       So the fact this guy got in through a back door and the only reason why he got into that classroom is 'cause the door was ajar.

   24. CNColion Noir46:08

       Sure, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       So protocols have to be in place.

   26. CNColion Noir46:11

       They, they do.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       But the problem is people get relaxed.

   28. CNColion Noir46:12

       Relaxed, they do.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       ... after a while.

   30. CNColion Noir46:14

       They do.
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   But it doesn't say…

   1. CNColion Noir1:00:00

      then sure, they'll give it to you. However, if I'm just a regular person, good luck actually using that to justify it. 'Cause they're gonna say, "You just being a regular person doesn't justify you needing it to protect your life." And that's what he's saying. Regular people don't need firearms to protect their lives. It's special people, like him, and celebrities and, and, and every other elitist who may need these firearms to protect themselves. But regular people, they don't need firearms.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

      But it doesn't say that.

   3. CNColion Noir1:00:27

      It doesn't say that, but that's how-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:28

      It just says, "To protect your life."

   5. CNColion Noir1:00:30

      That's how they're executing it. That's why he's able to say with a straight face what he's saying.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

      But he's not even saying it, uh, that there's an option if you need-

   7. CNColion Noir1:00:37

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

      ... to protect your life.

   9. CNColion Noir1:00:38

      'Cause he doesn't believe there is one. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       'Cause I think he-

   11. CNColion Noir1:00:41

       That's-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       He would rather have the population unarmed. And I think this particularly rings true after the demonstrations that were ... uh, those, the trucker demonstrations.

   13. CNColion Noir1:00:50

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       When he demonized all the truckers as being racist and misogynist. Like, just an open generalizing statement. As a leader, you should be discredited, like, instantaneously.

   15. CNColion Noir1:01:00

       Yep.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:01

       Like, you're not a fucking leader. Like, to ... For you to make a, a generalization on hundreds, if not thousands of people that you don't even know-... like, that is so wild, and that you're gonna use that to state your point that you don't want these people to be able to protest, which is crazy-

   17. CNColion Noir1:01:16

       And that-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       ... because it's a giant part of what a civilized democratic society-

   19. CNColion Noir1:01:21

       That's, that's cool.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       ... i- is allowed to do.

   21. CNColion Noir1:01:22

       But yet, here we are in America, trying to do what they're doing.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       Yes.

   23. CNColion Noir1:01:26

       (laughs) That's the thing that baffles me.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       Well, I think there's some people that wanna do what they're doing-

   25. CNColion Noir1:01:30

       Yeah, of course.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       ... but, but there's a giant percentage of our population that's not having it.

   27. CNColion Noir1:01:34

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

       And that-

   29. CNColion Noir1:01:35

       A huge, a huge percentage of it, right?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:01:36

       A huge, a huge.

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