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Joe Rogan Experience #1831 - Colion Noir

Colion Noir is a second amendment advocate, attorney, and firearms enthusiast. http://www.mrcolionnoir.com/

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Jun 27, 20243h 7mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 2:54

    Uvalde aftermath: numbness, media coverage, and the reflex to legislate

    1. NA

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    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Oh, salute, my friend. Good to see you.

    4. CN

      Good.

    5. JR

      Always good to see you. Mm. I wish I didn't see you so often after mass shootings, though.

    6. CN

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      'Cause it seems like so many times when there's a, uh, gun control ... Well, you're the first guy I always call.

    8. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    9. JR

      Because, uh, I think you're the very best at, um, explaining gun issues from, first of all, from a Second Amendment perspective, from an enthusiast perspective, and also you're a lawyer.

    10. CN

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      So you, (sighs) you understand, like, the law aspect of it better than, uh, anybody that I know. So I always wanna talk to you when some shit is going down. But the, um, the current mass shooting, the, the most recent one-

    12. CN

      Mm-hmm. Uvalde.

    13. JR

      ... was... Y- it's like, it, there's so many of 'em that it, it gets to a point where you, you go, (sighs) like, y- people almost just go numb. Like, they don't know what to do.

    14. CN

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      And then there's a lot of s- scrambling and, and crying out for legislation.

    16. CN

      Legislation, yeah. Yeah.

    17. JR

      Yeah.

    18. CN

      I think it's, it's ... You know, one, no one can deny, our media does a beautiful job memorializing everything about every mass shooting in terms of the killer, what we know about him. You know, we ... Th- for the most part, almost sensationalizing it. And so, there is something to be said that, you know, (laughs) someone walking into a school, somebody walking into a building where you don't expect it and shooting a bunch of people deserves that type of attention. I'm not, I'm not gonna be so naive as to say that, you know, I don't get why anybody ever ... why they cover it so much. But there is a admitted l- sense of helplessness when these things happen-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. CN

      ... where it's like, "Okay, so what do we do? What can we do?" Um, I think the, the scapegoat route is gun control, because I think what it does is it tells ... It, it gives us that, the immediate gratification of, "All right, we did something. We passed this. All right, uh, now let, let's move on and hope it never happens again." The problem is, though, it never touches the underlying issues about why people would do this. Like, this is weird. It's fucking odd. It's not normal for people who wanna go out and just kill as many people as possible.

    21. JR

      And not just that, just kill children.

    22. CN

      Y- that's even ... That, and that takes it to a whole new level, right?

    23. JR

      Yeah. And this, this guy, uh, I mean, obviously there was something really wrong with him. You're, uh, figured out-

    24. CN

      Just wanted dead, yeah.

    25. JR

      I th- uh, but the, the thing about the killing the children is, it's like it's ... That's why school shootings are so fucked, 'cause they're the most horrific version of a mass shooting, because you're going after innocent little kids.

    26. CN

      Yep.

    27. JR

      And this was the most evil. And then there's, there's ... Oh, so there's so much to this one, right?

    28. CN

      Yeah.

  2. 2:54 – 5:39

    Police response failures and the argument for self-reliance

    1. JR

      There's so much to the amount of time that the cops were outside that they didn't do anything, 'cause they didn't wanna get shot.

    2. CN

      But that's, that's just it too, though, which is the weird thing for me. So we, we, we can acknowledge that in this situation, the same situation had happened in Florida, right? There were the, the resource officer didn't go in in time when he could've probably stopped it sooner.

    3. JR

      But at least that was one guy.

    4. CN

      True.

    5. JR

      This is insane. I mean, how many cops were outside that school?

    6. CN

      Jesus. Enough that they shoulda probably went in.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. CN

      Like, without, without saying. But-

    9. JR

      They were outside for 75 minutes.

    10. CN

      (laughs)

    11. JR

      Could you imagine?

    12. CN

      But that's just it, though, if you think about it. Like, the same people ... Not the same people, but then you have people who say, "Okay, well, we need to, we need to limit and restrict these guns." And like, but that ... All that does is force us to, to depend on people who we've already established, uh, in some, a lot of situations aren't necessarily incapable of being there to protect us, or in situations like this, refusing to go in and protect us.

    13. JR

      Right.

    14. CN

      Um, now, I can see someone coming up on the other side saying something to the effect, "Oh, so you want the kids to have guns there too, so they can shoot ..." That's not what I'm saying.

    15. JR

      Well, that's crazy.

    16. CN

      But ... Yeah. But what I am saying is, that further justifies why we need to have the firearms that we do have. Because at the end of it, when it all boils down to it, the only person we can rely on to defend ourselves is us.

    17. JR

      Right.

    18. CN

      Is you. Somebody walks in this door right now and does something, the only people in a position to stop it in enough time to make a difference is me, you, and ... (taps leg)

    19. JR

      And Jamie. Yeah.

    20. CN

      So from that perspective, I try to keep things and break things down to that simplistic level so people can understand that, um, instead of just kind of immediately reacting to it. "All right, let's ban this and let's ban that and let's ban this." But we are talking about, like you said, a group of officers who stood outside while kids were being shot and killed.

    21. JR

      Those guys should never be cops again.

    22. CN

      I'm gonna have to agree with you in that regard.

    23. JR

      I just, I just don't understand.

    24. CN

      Now, this is me not being in Uvalde, not knowing all of the intimate details about why they stood down, but at the end of the day, I could ... I have a hard time seeing what supersedes ... there's a guy in classrooms killing kids right now.

    25. JR

      Well, you know about that mom, the mom that was arrested?

    26. CN

      Yeah, who went in, yeah.

    27. JR

      They cuffed her. She got ... She ... They released her. She went back in, got her kids. Fuck, yeah.

    28. CN

      No.

    29. JR

      Fuck yeah for her.

    30. CN

      Yeah.

  3. 5:39 – 6:30

    “Hands tied” policing, accountability, and use-of-force decision pressure

    1. JR

      Well, it's a perfect storm, right? Because we're, we're in a terrible time for law enforcement in that, you know, all this defund the police stuff-

    2. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      ... has gotten people very skittish about, uh ... Like, I know cops that don't want to do things because they don't want to get in trouble.

    4. CN

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Like, they, they, they don't wanna show up for things. They wanna wait-

    6. CN

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... before they show up for things, 'cause they don't want it to be something they have to handle, because they feel tied up. They feel like their hands are tied.

    8. CN

      Yeah. It's a balancing act too, right?

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. CN

      'Cause it's like, we don't necessarily want cops to go in there-... not, I don't mean just in this particular situation, Uvalde, but just having com- be completely let off the leash to the extent that they can do anything that they want anytime and there'll be no-

    11. JR

      Of course.

    12. CN

      ... they can't be held accountable for anything, right?

    13. JR

      Right, of course. Yes.

    14. CN

      While at the same time, we need them to go in without having to essentially be attorneys. (laughs)

    15. JR

      Yeah.

  4. 6:30 – 12:27

    Scenario-based training (SIMS) and how thin the line is between justified and unjustified

    1. CN

      You know, in the moment, trying to decide. Like, I was just in Wisconsin, and I was, um, uh, with the USCCA, which is a concealed carry, um, insurance membership program. And what we were doing was working scenario-based training. So they set up this whole s- whole situation for me, like we're in a coffee shop, I have a girlfriend that I'm talking to, and then a guy comes in, robs the place, and a bunch of other scenarios had happened. And because of my knowledge base and things that I'm aware of from a legal perspective, even in that moment when I'm trying to decide, "Do I shoot? Do I not shoot?" 'Cause you know ... You ever run SIMS?

    2. JR

      No.

    3. CN

      SIMS are like the, um ... They're basically real guns converted into more or less fake guns, so to speak. So they shoot these cartridges that hurt like a bitch. They hurt and they sound like they're really loud. The gun operates the same. Everything's the same, except they shoot these. It's kind of like elevated paintball, right? And in this case, we weren't using an actual projectile. What we were using was ... What this did is it emitted a laser instead of actually shooting a projectile. But everything else was the same. It was loud, recoiling, all of that stuff. And so in that moment, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, "All right. When is it justified for me to shoot?" Now, in that moment, in that scenario, you can only kind of mimic reality to a certain extent before, you know, you get overwhelmed with the thought of, "Okay, I might die."

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. CN

      I have the benefit to, to some degree to kind of think logically through, "Okay, is ... If I shoot now, is it justified? If I don't shoot now ... " and so forth and so on. You get what I'm getting at?

    6. JR

      Are you talking about like from a legal perspective?

    7. CN

      From a legal perspective, yes.

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. CN

      And so in that moment, when the guy's in there, he's already shot at one person, he's about to shoot another person. I'm like, "Okay, this is my time to shoot." But he's not shooting at me. And so I'm like, "What do I do?" Can I shoot him and then be justified or-

    10. JR

      So if you're ... Like, let's, let's say if you go into a store and you see a gunfight in the store-

    11. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    12. JR

      ... and you see a guy shooting at someone behind the counter and you, you're armed.

    13. CN

      Yeah.

    14. JR

      Are you allowed to shoot him?

    15. CN

      It depends.

    16. JR

      If he's shooting at people-

    17. CN

      Okay.

    18. JR

      ... that work at the store.

    19. CN

      Well, it depends.

    20. JR

      Right.

    21. CN

      'Cause if you find out later on that the guy behind the counter pointed his gun at him and said, "I'm gonna kill you."

    22. JR

      Right. Imagine if you shot him first.

    23. CN

      (laughs) Exactly.

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. CN

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      So you don't know. You don't know.

    27. CN

      You don't really.

    28. JR

      You walk into 7-Eleven, there's a gunfight.

    29. CN

      Yup.

    30. JR

      Yeah.

  5. 12:27 – 18:05

    Austin protest shooting case: self-defense, prosecution, and public misunderstanding

    1. JR

      You know about the, um, the case in Austin, um, where, uh, a guy was not... He was not charged for a long period of time, but it was at a, a... one of the, uh, protests during the pandemic. And this guy apparently was military and he was an Uber driver. He was Uber driving.

    2. CN

      I do remember that.

    3. JR

      Yeah.

    4. CN

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      So he pulled down this road. I think he was following his GPS-

    6. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    7. JR

      ... and he pulled down this road, and all of a sudden, he's faced with the, the people that were blocking the road.

    8. CN

      The pro- protests, yeah.

    9. JR

      And this guy pulls an AK-47 out and points it at him.

    10. CN

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      And-

    12. CN

      And he shoots him.

    13. JR

      He's a veteran.

    14. CN

      Yeah.

    15. JR

      I mean, he's, he's used to being in, you know, live combat situations and he just pulls out his gun-

    16. CN

      And shoots him.

    17. JR

      ... and shoots him.

    18. CN

      So did, did he get charged?

    19. JR

      He did get charged.

    20. CN

      Did he get convicted?

    21. JR

      I don't know.

    22. CN

      Okay, 'cause I can't remember.

    23. JR

      Let's, let's find out what the status on that was, 'cause all my friends that are law enforcement or military were furious that he got charged, because this guy literally pointed the gun at his face.

    24. CN

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Like he's standing there-

    26. CN

      Out of shot.

    27. JR

      ... pointing the gun. Uh, what are you gonna do? It's like how do you know if the guy's gonna kill you or not?

    28. CN

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      Like it's unreasonable to point a gun at a person in that scenario.

    30. CN

      But you know what that's... You know what that speaks to?

  6. 18:05 – 21:03

    Gun violence by the numbers: suicides, accidents, police shootings, and homicides

    1. JR

      The numbers are crazy. Like when, when people talk about gun violence in this country, may- maybe we should start with that, right?

    2. CN

      Yeah. Mm-hmm.

    3. JR

      Gun violence in this country, when you look at gun deaths, a gigantic percentage of them are suicides.

    4. CN

      Yeah.

    5. JR

      Right? What is-

    6. CN

      Violence, I would say about 65% per- 63 to 65% are suicides.

    7. JR

      Okay. So-

    8. CN

      So-

    9. JR

      ... when we're talking about gun violence, I mean, I am not... Clearly, I'm not in favor of suicide.

    10. CN

      Yeah.

    11. JR

      You know, obviously, I want people to get help and, and...... live happy lives. But this is not my main concern. My main concern is people harming other people.

    12. CN

      Other people, yeah.

    13. JR

      So, when we look at the numbers of gun violence, it's always exaggerated because they don't include the fact that-

    14. CN

      That it's-

    15. JR

      ... that is a large number.

    16. CN

      They're starting to do it now, they didn't before.

    17. JR

      I only hear about it on Fox News.

    18. CN

      Yeah. Like, they legit... I remember, 'cause this was, like, at the genesis, kind of, of my, my two-way advocacy, when I was looking at the numbers. 'Cause I kind of n- initially just took the numbers for what they were, and I just assumed, 'cause you hear gun violence, you see, you hear gun deaths, you're thinking people are shooting at other people in the middle of the street and dropping dead, right? And then I started looking into the numbers, and I started realizing, wait, 63% to 65% are suicides? And, like, point out, it's not that I don't care about suicides, but then I also backed door and I said, "Okay. Well, let's look at the suicide rate just as a whole in America versus other places that have strict gun laws." And I remember when I was on Bill Maher and I was sitting at the round table, I ha- we kinda started getting into that discussion. And you would think, considering we have as much, as many guns as we have in this country in the hands of civilians, you'd think, on the surface, we'd lead the world in suicides. We don't. Not even close. So, that begs the... So, that stands to reason that the issue with suicides isn't a gun thing. It is purely a mental health thing.

    19. JR

      Yes.

    20. CN

      Right? So, that's why I'm able to, okay, let's set this aside, and now deal with what's remaining. Then you have a, a very small percentage that are accidental gun deaths, right? Um, we're talking about, like, maybe totality in a year of 1,000.

    21. JR

      And what percentage is that about?

    22. CN

      That's, I think it's like, if I remember correctly, it's like 3% to 5%.

    23. JR

      Okay.

    24. CN

      Or something like that.

    25. JR

      So-

    26. CN

      And-

    27. JR

      ... we're, we're almost at 70% then.

    28. CN

      Yeah.

    29. JR

      We're at, like, 68-

    30. CN

      Yeah. And that's including-

  7. 21:03 – 30:07

    Mass shootings vs. inner-city violence: definitions, media incentives, and poverty drivers

    1. JR

      And then what percentage of those are gang-related?

    2. CN

      So, because the whole gang-related... 'Cause now what's happening is they're taking a lot of the gang-related shootings and including them in mass shootings. It's just kinda like what happened in Philadelphia recently.

    3. JR

      Oh.

    4. CN

      Right?

    5. JR

      I see what you're saying.

    6. CN

      They called the Philadelphia shooting that just happened recently a mass shooting.

    7. JR

      What was the Philadelphia one?

    8. CN

      Uh, it was basically, there was a shootout between, I don't know how many people it was, but, um, there's a, there was, like... I can't remember exactly where in Philly it was. But essentially, I can't remember, a lot of people got shot, um, and they called it a mass shooting. It was street violence. That's what it was. It was, it was two parties going at it. And they called it mass shooting. I can, I guess you could-

    9. JR

      I guess.

    10. CN

      ... argue why that's-

    11. JR

      Right.

    12. CN

      ... that's considered a mass shooting, but it's not. But in our minds when we think about it, a mass shooting is somebody... You have an individual or multiple people who wanna go and kill as many innocent people as possible.

    13. JR

      Right.

    14. CN

      Right? And we're not talking about people who are shooting each other over disputes. This was a dispute that took place in the public between two people with guns-

    15. JR

      Right.

    16. CN

      ... essentially. And they, and then so they wanna call that a mass shooting. And I'm like, "That's not fair," because the way they deal with these types of things is it's a, they're different. The same way you don't include the suicides in the homicides, because there are different reasons for why they're happening.

    17. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    18. CN

      Right? And so a lot of the, vast majority of the gun violence, the homicide aspect of it, is from the inner cities. That's where it's coming from. It's these kids literally... When I say kids, I'm talking like 17, 18, 19, 20, 21-year-olds. They're shooting each, they're shooting at each other. Now, I'm not dismissing that and saying that that's irrelevant, and that we shouldn't be con- we shouldn't factor that in. What I'm saying is, it's a totally different reason for why it's happened. It's not a gun issue. It's a socioeconomic issue. Because if you take those same kids that look like me, right? I know a lot of, I know of no- I know a lot of Black people or people of color who live in the sub- suburbs of America. And they're not running around committing drive-bys in their BMWs. They're not. So, what's the difference there? They have access to guns the same way these kids have access to guns, and these kids have access to guns illegally in the inner city. The difference is there's prolonged exposure to poverty, but nobody wants to have that conversation. And reason they don't wanna have that conversation is because it is admittedly hard to deal with. It's hard. It's convoluted, and it's difficult.

    19. JR

      So, is that the vast major- like, so outside of suicide-

    20. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JR

      ... is that the majority of the shootings?

    22. CN

      Yes.

    23. JR

      So, the majority of the shootings are-

    24. CN

      Are inner city-

    25. JR

      ... what-

    26. CN

      ... gang, uh, gang, drug, and dispute violence. That's what it is.

    27. JR

      Okay.

    28. CN

      Vast majority of them.

    29. JR

      And that is one thing that we both agree on in terms of... That's one of the most gigantic and ignored problems in this country-

    30. CN

      Yeah.

  8. 30:07 – 34:18

    Government capacity limits and why crises push people toward private protection tools

    1. CN

      That's another thing, too, that people are not factoring in. After COVID, the bottom fell out.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. CN

      That's what people aren't talking about. Like, when, when, when you had all these shutdowns and people couldn't work, and basically shut down the economy ... I mean, you gotta understand what that does to a lot of people who are already sitting on the bottom.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. CN

      So when the bottom falls out, what do you think is gonna happen?

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. CN

      You know, people who are already in dire straits are now in desperate straits and they're, they're doing anything, right?

    8. JR

      Right.

    9. CN

      I'm not justifying the action by any stretch of the imagination.

    10. JR

      Also, you know, they don't-

    11. CN

      I'm just saying don't be surprised.

    12. JR

      They don't think there's repercussions anymore.

    13. CN

      Yeah. And that's another thing, too, right?

    14. JR

      That's a big thing.

    15. CN

      Yeah. And that's ... And, and-It, it amazes me how people don't understand this. And I think what it is, is a lot of people just like to live in their own little bubbles.

    16. JR

      Right.

    17. CN

      And they don't like to address things until that thing breaks into their bubble. And when it does, it's like, "Please, government, do something! Make it stop right now!"

    18. JR

      Yeah. Yeah.

    19. CN

      And it's like, it's too late. It's already there.

    20. JR

      Right.

    21. CN

      Right? And the government you thought you were gonna be able to depend on, yeah, you could depend on them when shit ain't happening.

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. CN

      But when shit starts happening en masse, it's not even, it's not even always the fact that they don't wanna do anything or they just choose not to do it. It's they can't. They can't. There just aren't enough people.

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. CN

      So at that point, they realize, "Shit, I'm on my own." And you should've realized that in the middle of the whole situation, because when, when this, when the, pretty much the world was shut down, you were on your own. When we were having protests and riots every other day it seemed like, and another city was burning every other day, and they were like, "Yeah, we're..." The cops were like, "Yeah, we, there's not much we can do. You're kinda on your own." That, that should've sunk right then and there and let you know that the only person responsible for your safety is you. The cops, the government, that's supplemental. You're not supposed to rely on it. You can't rely on it, even if you want to.

    26. JR

      The amount of time that it takes them just to respond.

    27. CN

      It's just, it, it's not happening.

    28. JR

      Right. If someone's breaking into your house-

    29. CN

      Different.

    30. JR

      ... if someone's on your property, the amount of time that it would take for a police officer to get to you, even if they do choose to respond quickly-

  9. 34:18 – 41:32

    Copycat effects and changing how mass shootings are reported

    1. CN

      Yeah. I think, too... So I was, I read an article. And I've always, I've always had this mindset. I always like... One of my first viral videos was how to stop a mass shooting, literally. And in the video, I was like, "Stop the fantasy." And by stop the fantasy, I mean have people in place to shut down his ability to kill as many people as possible, because at the end of the day, a lot of these people really are doing it for the clout. They really are.

    2. JR

      They're doing it so that they get recognized.

    3. CN

      They can be... Exactly.

    4. JR

      Yeah.

    5. CN

      And so, it, because, I mean, I mean, think about it. Like, the MO is always the same, right? Vast majority of them, and I read an article, and I, that, it even kinda blew me away a little bit, that there was a study that found like if the media changed the way that they handled reporting these mass shootings, we could, we could reduce mass shootings by 33%.

    6. JR

      Really?

    7. CN

      Because of... Yeah, because a lot of these mass shootings are copycat.

    8. JR

      But let me ask you this: H- you have to reco... I mean, there, there has to be some reporting-

    9. CN

      Yes.

    10. JR

      ... of a mass shooting.

    11. CN

      Yes.

    12. JR

      So-

    13. CN

      And I, and so what it, what its saying was focus on the people who were killed, focus on what happened, but we go into a deep sea dive about these people's lives. Like in the video I did, I did it like five, seven years ago. And I talked about, I'm like, no one can name the vast majority of victims in a lot of these shootings, but you can name all of the shooters. You can name them. You don't have to look. And we even just talked about it. He's like, "Yeah, he showed them face." I was like, "Dude."

    14. JR

      Right, right.

    15. CN

      "Arrest them at Starbucks." Like, we know too much about them. And that's exactly what they want. Take the guy in New York. He now gets to sit back. Yeah, he's in jail, but he gets to sit back and watch his work.

    16. JR

      Hmm.

    17. CN

      He's a lunatic. But yeah, he did, he did a whole manifesto about why he did what he did.

    18. JR

      Right.

    19. CN

      Now he gets to sit back and watch it.

    20. JR

      Right.

    21. CN

      Right? Because he-

    22. JR

      He gets clout in prison probably.

    23. CN

      Exactly.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. CN

      And I even said that, you know. And I think there's something to be said about that. Now, I'm not gonna go so far as to say the government should tell, should tell the media they can't report on mass shootings. Not what I'm saying. But I do think there's something to be said about how we sensationalize these shooters, right? And you know how I know for a fact? Because when Columbine happened, I was still in high school. And I remember when Columbine happened, I did a deep sea dive into studying both of those dudes, because it was, it was truly fascinating, 'cause I was like, it never crossed my mind that somebody would do something like that. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to get a better understanding about why someone would do that. And so it was easy as hell for me to get all the information in the world. It was plastered all over the news. Now, that was...... one of the most notorious school shootings that we had. So, it's understandable that we were like, "Ho, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's going on here?" Like, "Let's, let's figure this out."

    26. JR

      It's probably the first, right?

    27. CN

      Uh, no, it wasn't the first.

    28. JR

      Wasn't the first school-

    29. CN

      No.

    30. JR

      ... school shooting?

  10. 41:32 – 47:44

    Hardening schools: doors, protocols, armed staff, and cost reality checks

    1. CN

      I mean, did you, did you hear about how he got in?

    2. JR

      No.

    3. CN

      (laughs) So... And I'm not, I'm not laughing 'cause it's funny, but it's just s- astounding to me. So, essentially what happened is he went in through a back door that was unlocked, and then he literally went... So, they had, they had plans in place to deal with potential mass shooters like this. Um, at least on paper. There were protocols that were supposed to be adhered to.

    4. JR

      At the school?

    5. CN

      Yeah. Um, and he went door to door. He went to several different class doors. They were locked, he couldn't get in. And then there was one door that was j- that was ajar. And from what I read, by the time the teacher realized what was going on and she tried to go to the door to lock it, h- he grabbed the door and opened it. And he was able to get in that way. And so my... And I've always said this. I'm like, "Okay, we understand that we don't want these things to happen in our schools." So, what's the, what's the first thing you do? If somebody broke into your neighbor's house, say tomorrow, the first thing you're probably gonna think of is, "All right, how do I harden my house to make sure this doesn't happen to me?" That's gonna be your first thought. Why would we not do that with our children and the places that they go to school? And I know people are like, "Well, we don't make it seem like they're living in a prison." You can, you can have passive defenses where optically it doesn't look like a prison. You can have reinforced doors that don't look like prison gates. You can do these things, but we don't.And to me, those are the easier things to implement before we even start talking about, you know, banning this gun or banning that gun, which will do nothing to stop these things because when we talk about school shootings, the worst one we ever had was Virginia Tech. He killed 33 people with handguns. So from that perspective, we understand that there are gonna be people who are gonna try to do this, whether they use AR-15s, whether they use handguns, shotguns, it doesn't matter. The goal, protect our kids, right? When Obama was in office and his kids were in school, you think this kid would aim... get in there and do what he did?

    6. JR

      I do, do not believe that-

    7. CN

      (clears throat)

    8. JR

      ... would be the case. Yeah.

    9. CN

      (laughs) No, he wouldn't be.

    10. JR

      No.

    11. CN

      Why? Because that school where those kids are going to are... It's gonna be hardened.

    12. JR

      Right.

    13. CN

      It's going to be. If, if, if Joe Biden had younger kids now and they were in school, that kid would not be able to get into that school.

    14. JR

      Right.

    15. CN

      He wouldn't because that school would be hardened.

    16. JR

      So, what, what... (sighs) There's so many schools.

    17. CN

      There are.

    18. JR

      Right. And there's so many guns and there's so many people and there's so many potential crazy people.

    19. CN

      Yes.

    20. JR

      It's like how much money would it cost to harden all of these schools?

    21. CN

      (smacks lips)

    22. JR

      You're dealing with a lot of money, right?

    23. CN

      Um, so I think there's a school at... I forgot the name of the school, I forgot where it was, where they have a whole system in place. It's crazy. Um, I put it in my... I put it in my, uh, Evernote 'cause I was gonna go and do a video on it, so I hadn't researched it th- thoroughly. And I think they said it was somewhere in the area of 400,000 for the entire system, but the system scales, right?

    24. JR

      So this is public?

    25. CN

      Uh, I don't remember if it was public. I think it was-

    26. JR

      Public, private or all?

    27. CN

      I... What do you mean? For?

    28. JR

      Schools. Amount of schools.

    29. CN

      Well, no, this particular system at this school.

    30. JR

      Oh.

  11. 47:44 – 1:04:14

    Canada, Trudeau, and the fear of incremental bans (Heller and control narratives)

    1. JR

      Did you see what Trudeau said today?

    2. CN

      (sighs) Wait, today?

    3. JR

      Did you see... He... I'll send it to you, Jamie, 'cause it is fucking wild. He said you don't have the right in Canada to own a gun to protect your life.

    4. CN

      (laughs)

    5. JR

      It is one of the most wild things I've ever seen anybody say because first of all, I don't believe it's true. I don't believe he is correct in terms of... What do, what do they have up there? They don't have a Constitution. It's not the same, but-

    6. CN

      Yeah.

    7. JR

      ... whatever it is-

    8. CN

      That's weird. It's like... I mean, they're still part of England and-

    9. JR

      Yeah.

    10. CN

      ... all them over there. Um, well, they're under the rule of the queen, theoretically, t- technically speaking.

    11. JR

      Fuck. Someone sent it to me and I, I don't know if I saved it 'cause I was so disgusted. I think I might've, like, just fucking threw my hands up in the air. But there's a whole Twitter thread about it that someone had sent to me and, uh, I can't find it at the moment. But essentially, what he was saying was that that is not what's in the... Whatever they have up there.

    12. CN

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      That, that's... That it says you have the right to own a gun for hunting and for shooting sports. You do not have the right to own a gun for self-preservation and to preserve lives, but apparently that's not even true.

    14. CN

      Even if it was true-... you have to think about what type of leader you're under who can open his mouth and say something like that as his justification for doing what he's doing as far as gun control is concerned. That-

    15. JR

      Well, it's the son of a guy who was a politician and a leader and a completely removed person from terms of regular society and the, the problems that other people face.

    16. CN

      Oh! You mean like Joe Biden? (laughs)

    17. JR

      Yeah. Same, same thing basically.

    18. CN

      The same people. (laughs)

    19. JR

      Both corrupt, both full of shit. Yeah, same thing.

    20. CN

      And, and that's, and that's the thing that the other side... And when I say the other side, I mean the gun lobby, the anti-gun gun, gun lobby has done a good job of is, is creating this...

    21. JR

      Here it is. "Other than using firearms for sport, shooting, and hunting, there is no reason anyone in Canada should need guns in their everyday lives. We need less gun violence. This is about freedom. People should be free to go to the super-" Okay, well this is not the, the, the main thing. The thing that he said that was, uh, egregious was he said that they don't have the right to own guns, uh, for... N- yeah, that's not even it either. There's a, an actual video of it. Uh, an actual v- this is what, this is a little bit further long- longer ago when he was talking about, um, they made a ban on the purchase of handguns-

    22. CN

      Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... the transfer of handguns, the import- importing handguns. Um-

    24. CN

      And-

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. CN

      So, it's funny. So I get a lot of like, even my, my legal mentor, this, this is literally the guy who taught me how to argue. Um, and we go back and forth about this, um, 'cause he sometimes... He thinks I'm too extreme on the issue sometimes. Um, and I, and I think the problem is he doesn't understand that the ultimate goal is for them to ban guns. When I say that out loud, they think I'm crazy and I'm like, "I've been doing this long enough to see where this goes." And look at what's happening in Canada right now. You have someone who is literally... They started off by banning AR-15s, so-called assault weapons, um, and now all of a sudden now he's talking about people don't have a right to own a handgun.

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. CN

      If... Right now in our country, people killed with rifles is about 435 every year. 435, close to 500 maybe. More people die from getting beat to death than they do killed with an AR-15. So if the goal is... So people's rationale is, well, these school shooters... And I'm being very specific about school shooters because the vast majority of mass shootings are committed with handguns. Mass shootings. School shootings-

    29. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    30. CN

      ... it trends on the side of AR-15s. So let's say we ban the AR-15s, then what? 'Cause people are saying that you guys are being ridiculous. We just want, we just wanna get rid of these scary assault military rifles-

  12. 1:04:14 – 1:06:29

    Background checks, ‘gun show loophole,’ and why universal checks imply registration

    1. CN

      And, and so that, getting to that, that's the whole background check thing.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. CN

      That's that whole thing where ... and that's another thing that people don't realize is the way they talk about it, the way the anti-gun lobby talks about background checks, they talk about it as if we don't have background checks in this country.

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. CN

      We do. You buy a gun from a dealer, you have to get a background check.

    6. JR

      Right, but when-

    7. CN

      And-

    8. JR

      ... that 18-year-old kid passed a background check-

    9. CN

      Background check, yeah, because he's-

    10. JR

      ... which is crazy.

    11. CN

      ... 'cause he's, he doesn't ... there's no criminal history.

    12. JR

      Right, because he's only 18.

    13. CN

      'Cause he's only ... exactly.

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. CN

      Now, the question then remains, so it's like, so I hear talks about, okay, well, let's include the juvenile records. Right? But if a juvenile record doesn't have an offense that's equatable to a felony that prohibits them from owning a firearm, he still would get it.

    16. JR

      What, what, did this kid have a juvenile record?

    17. CN

      I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he had anything legally. He's had some weird acts on his part in the past.

    18. JR

      Well-

    19. CN

      Right?

    20. JR

      ... wasn't his nickname School Shooter?

    21. CN

      (laughs) Well, I didn't hear that. Was it?

    22. JR

      Some ... I don't know if it's true, but someone told me that his nickname in high school was School Shooter.

    23. CN

      (laughs) But so then the question remains is, it goes, so what do we do? Right?

    24. JR

      Find out, find out if that's true. So what do we do?

    25. CN

      So how do we do it? So, like, we know this.

    26. JR

      So what do we do?

    27. CN

      Like, this kid's nickname is School Shooter, and so for all intents and purposes, we wanna keep guns out of this kid's hands.

    28. JR

      Right.

    29. CN

      However, the problem is, is once he turns 18, he's an adult, whether he's 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23. Once he reaches the age where he's legally, constitutionally able to buy a firearm, he has it. The only thing that can preclude him from doing it is if he commits a felony or he's committed because of some mental health issue.

    30. JR

      Right.

  13. 1:06:29 – 1:07:51

    Shadowbanning, platform power, bots, and the online scam economy

    1. JR

      Yeah, I wanna talk to you about that. Like, how, how shadowbanned are you?

    2. CN

      It, it, you know, it's weird. It ebbs and flows. It's really odd. Um, so I think I'm worst shadowbanned on Facebook and Instagram.

    3. JR

      Instagram, yeah.

    4. CN

      Yeah, uh-huh.

    5. JR

      Instagram is-

    6. CN

      It's-

    7. JR

      They've hit the brakes on me, baby.

    8. CN

      Dude. (laughs)

    9. JR

      (laughs) I don't even do anything, which is what's crazy.

    10. CN

      And, and you know, and what's crazy is the only way I'm able to beat it is because people share my content so much. That's the only thing the algorithm can't fight back against, is sharing content. So the fact that I've been able to grow my audience the way that I have, could you imagine if I wasn't shadowbanned?

    11. JR

      Right. Exactly.

    12. CN

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      Well, this is what I was gonna bring up. I wanted to look at what it is now. Okay, yeah, I'm, um, I'm now at 9.1 million on Twitter.

    14. CN

      Mm-hmm.

    15. JR

      I was at 8.2 when Elon started talking about buying it.

    16. CN

      Dude, I just-

    17. JR

      Which is mild.

    18. CN

      ... mine's, mine just shot up too on Twitter.

    19. JR

      Shot up.

    20. CN

      It shot up. On, yeah.

    21. JR

      So they must have removed some of the algorithms that were in place to restrict people.

    22. CN

      I know they did, 'cause it's the only explanation.

    23. JR

      Yeah, it's the only explanation.

    24. CN

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Yeah, I've heard.

    26. CN

      It just then all of a sudden... Go ahead.

    27. GU

      I've heard of a few people that I know personally and I got a few messages of someone saying an alternative thought is that people who were not on the platform liked that Elon bought it and joined.

    28. JR

      900,000 just for me? (paper rustles)

    29. CN

      That's, that's not that many.

    30. GU

      It's not that many.

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