Joe Rogan Experience #1857 - Seth Dillon

1. 0:00 – 3:11

   Babylon Bee’s origin story and why conservative satire took off

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. SDSeth Dillon0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Oh, hello, Seth.

   4. SDSeth Dillon0:14

      Hey, Joe.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Nice to meet you. Officially. (laughs)

   6. SDSeth Dillon0:15

      Nice to meet you in person finally.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Yeah, man. It's, uh, what has this been like for you? The Babylon Bee rise and attack, and all the chaos. Wh- when did you guys start?

   8. SDSeth Dillon0:28

      2016.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      What was the impetus?

   10. SDSeth Dillon0:32

       The impetus was, uh, nobody was doing it. You know? There's nobody that's, like, doing satirical comedy from, like, a conservative perspective, I guess. Um, Adam Forge is the guy that founded it, and, uh, and it just ... I mean, I don't know. There was a void there. Nobody was filling that void, so he's like ... He, he publishes this site using, like, a WordPress template and, like, puts out some articles, and they go viral so quick. Like, within two months, he's getting millions of visits, so. I don't know. He just had a sense that, like, somebody ... You know, there was so much comedy. Like, the left dominated comedy. They were just dominating it. Nobody-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:09

       Why do you think that is?

   12. SDSeth Dillon1:09

       There was no answer to that. Um, that's a good question. I mean ... So ev- everything ... Like, all of these institutions, the insti- like, you know, the media, education institutions, corporations, all of these things, they're all dominated by the left. So, comedians, though ... I mean, as you know, there's been this, like, there's been this opportunity, this big opportunity to kind of, like, step in and provide comedy that makes jokes that the left isn't willing to make. And so they were dominating for a while, but now I think things have shifted, because you've got all these rules about what you can and can't joke about, and the people who are willing to make jokes that kind of, like, sidestep those rules, uh, they're, you know, they're meeting a demand.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       Yeah, the meme space, though, has always been very right wing in a lot of ways, because it's like the thing to make fun of. Because since the media has been so dominated by the left, whenever there's, like, a narrative that just gets pushed w- like, that sort of ignores logic and ignores reality, there's like a thing that happens where someone goes, "Yeah, but what about this?" And, like, that has been, like, the meme space. Like, memes have always been, like, very funny.

   14. SDSeth Dillon2:23

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:23

       Like some of the really funny Trump memes and some of the very funny anti-Bi- Biden memes and COVID memes, they, they were kind of like on, on that vein.

   16. SDSeth Dillon2:32

       Yeah. Well, you know, yeah. When you've got a, when you've got a narrative that's being advanced and it's being pushed on everybody, you know, like, I don't know. I, I fe- ... My personal take on it is that comedian's job is to, like, poke holes in it, you know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       Yeah.

   18. SDSeth Dillon2:47

       Try to, like, find its weak spots. Try to find, like, the hypocrisy. Try to expose whatever absurdity is there. Like, the narrative, you, you can't just buy the narrative as it is. You got to challenge it in some way. Comedy has a great way to do that. So, I don't know. I think comedy that challenges the narrative is, is key. And it's like that's what people are gonna find funny, because it's like you're trying to hold people in positions of power accountable. That's, like ... That is punching up, right? That's what comedy is supposed to do.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       (laughs)

   20. SDSeth Dillon3:10

       We're told, allegedly.

2. 3:11 – 4:33

   “Punching up” vs “punching down”: what comedy is actually for

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:11

      Comedy is supposed to be funny. This whole punching up ... You know, when people... Cheers, by the way.

   2. SDSeth Dillon3:15

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:15

      Cheers. Salute.

   4. SDSeth Dillon3:16

      Cheers. Dude. My favorite far right extremist.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:19

      (laughs)

   6. SDSeth Dillon3:21

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      Who's never voted Republican. (slurps) This, um ... The, that ... It's like this whole idea of, like, punching up or punching down. Things are just supposed to be funny. One of the best bits of all time is Sam Kinison's bit about starving people in Africa, and it's the most punching down bit in the history of comedy.

   8. SDSeth Dillon3:41

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:41

      I mean, he's literally talking about starving children-

   10. SDSeth Dillon3:44

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       ... about him sitting at home, you know, h- trying to eat, enjoy his dinner, and Sally Fields is on TV asking them to donate money to starving kids. And he's like, "Why don't you? You're right there."

   12. SDSeth Dillon3:53

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       You know, like, this is the whole bit.

   14. SDSeth Dillon3:55

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:55

       Why don't you send someone like me-

   16. SDSeth Dillon3:57

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:57

       ... who says, "Hey, we just came 5,000 miles with your food. It occurred to us th- there wouldn't be world hunger if you people would live where the food is."

   18. SDSeth Dillon4:03

       I love it. It's, it's so good.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       You live in a fucking desert.

   20. SDSeth Dillon4:06

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:06

       I mean, it's, it's a great bit, and it's totally punching down.

   22. SDSeth Dillon4:10

       Well, I mean ... So when I said that, when I said, you know, we're supposed to be punching up, I'm saying that's what they say.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       Right.

   24. SDSeth Dillon4:16

       I'm not saying I agree with that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       They don't even say that, though. Comics don't even say that.

   26. SDSeth Dillon4:19

       I mean ... No, comics don't say that. Um-

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       But the- a few of them.

   28. SDSeth Dillon4:22

       The p- the people who, the people who are critical of us say that. You know? 'Cause that's ... I mean, that's the reason we're in Twitter jail right now. Supposedly, we punched down. You know, like, we made a joke about somebody who's in a marginalized or per- oppressed class, and it's considered hateful conduct.

3. 4:33 – 7:49

   Twitter suspension over Rachel Levine joke and the forced “Delete + confess” mechanic

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:33

      Well, you called Rachel Levine the Man of the Year when she won the aw-

   2. SDSeth Dillon4:37

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:37

      Where she was ... Was ... Did she win the Man of the Year? She domi- ... It's like, it's ... That's like ... What a rigged game. Like when Caitlyn Jenner ... She was a, a woman for six months, and she got-

   4. SDSeth Dillon4:46

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:46

      ... Woman of the Year.

   6. SDSeth Dillon4:47

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:47

      What the fuck? Imagine if you're a woman for 40 fucking years and ...

   8. SDSeth Dillon4:52

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      Dave Chappelle has an amazing joke about that. Uh, but it's just ... The whole thing is, uh, it's the- these narratives that get pushed, they're, they're, they're bizarre in that, like, they're f- they force compliance. Like you-

   10. SDSeth Dillon5:06

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       ... you can't have a nuanced perspective. You can't look at it ... You can't, you can't ... If you can't make fun of this idea that someone could be a woman for six months and then win Woman of the Year-

   12. SDSeth Dillon5:19

       Right.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       ... like, what the fuck are you talking about?

   14. SDSeth Dillon5:21

       You have to be able to make fun ... I mean, so what happened was USA Today did a story about how, um, they named several Women of the Year, and Rachel Levine was one of them. So Rachel Levine was named. Uh, this is, you know, transgender health-

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       Yeah.

   16. SDSeth Dillon5:33

       ... admiral in the Biden administration, and they named Rachel Levine one of their picks for Woman of the ... They had several that they picked for Woman of the Year. So there were women and then there was, you know, a transgender, and, uh, and we did a joke about how Rachel Levine was our pick for Man of the Year.

   17. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       Right.

   18. SDSeth Dillon5:46

       And, you know, that was considered misgendering by, by Twitter's policy, which is hateful conduct under their, under their policy.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       And so-

   20. SDSeth Dillon5:51

       So-

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:51

       ... unless you delete that, you guys are in Twitter jail.

   22. SDSeth Dillon5:53

       Unless and until we click Delete on that tweet, yeah, we're in Twitter jail. And well, a- and this is the problem. It's like the, the Delete button says, you know, you have to ackn- you acknowledge that you engaged in hateful conduct when you, when you click Delete. And I'm like ... The reason I, I refuse to click the button is because I don't agree that I engaged in it. Well, first of all, I agree with you. You know, going back to what you said a moment ago, like-... comedy should be funny, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:11

       Right.

   24. SDSeth Dillon6:12

       Like, when, when we're sitting there trying to think of jokes, like, the thing that should be going through our head is, "Is this funny?" That's the question we should be asking ourselves-

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:19

       Right.

   26. SDSeth Dillon6:19

       ... is, "Is this funny?" Not, "Is it, is it targeted at somebody who views themselves as marginalized or oppressed, and they're gonna come after me and try to destroy my life and career?" Because if I'm trying to think in those terms, or, or if I'm thinking in the terms of, "I'm up here, they're down here, I shouldn't joke about those people. They're beneath me." You know? Like, that's so condescending to have that thought.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:41

       Yeah.

   28. SDSeth Dillon6:42

       If I was in a marginalized community, if I put my, if I tried to put myself in the shoes of somebody who's considered marginalized today, I wouldn't want anybody trying to protect me from jokes, like I can't handle it. Like my skin is too thin to handle a joke.

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       Yeah.

   30. SDSeth Dillon6:53

       Like, that's condescending too.
4. 7:49 – 19:00

   Content moderation, Section 230, and claims of government-platform collusion

   1. SDSeth Dillon7:49

      I know. Well, there's a, a, a... You know, there's so many things that you can say, and this is where it's weird. The content moderation conversation is a big conversation that needs to be had. When you're talking about, like, well, what is, what, what should these platforms be concerned with when they're talking about content moderation?

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:02

      Right.

   3. SDSeth Dillon8:03

      And, you know, in my mind, and when you think of, like, Section 230 and its provisions and language that's in there, and, you know, like, what they get immunity for when they're engaging in content moderation, it's like, what's in view there is, like, lewd and indecent conduct, content, you know? Like, things that wouldn't be appropriate in the actual, physical town square. Um, death threats and things like that, stuff that's, like, not even lawful speech. I mean, obviously, you know, there's a, there's a-

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:27

      Sure, doxxing.

   5. SDSeth Dillon8:27

      ... place for, like, taking that kind of stuff down.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:29

      Yeah.

   7. SDSeth Dillon8:29

      Harass... Like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:30

      Yeah.

   9. SDSeth Dillon8:30

      ... terrible harassment-

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:31

       Yeah.

   11. SDSeth Dillon8:31

       ... where you're, like, sending somebody to somebody's address and telling them to go-

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       Right.

   13. SDSeth Dillon8:33

       ... kill that person. I mean, there's obviously things that should be moderated, but what, what you see is so much of that stays in place, especially if it's coming... i-i-it's aimed at the targets that are acceptable to, to harass-

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       Yeah, if it's aimed at the right.

   15. SDSeth Dillon8:44

       ... And, and to dox, whatever. Yeah. So much of that remains in place, but then opinions like, okay, you see, like, you know, like, a family-friendly drag show that kids are, like, tipping these dancers and stuff-

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:54

       Yeah.

   17. SDSeth Dillon8:54

       ... like that, and you call that grooming behavior, you know? Now all of a sudden you're banned for that. Now, the family-friendly drag show isn't considered lewd and indecent. It's not... That's not moderated.

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       It's so-

   19. SDSeth Dillon9:03

       It's-

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       It's... The family-

   21. SDSeth Dillon9:04

       It's the criticism of it that gets moderated.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:07

       Yeah.

   23. SDSeth Dillon9:07

       That's a little wild. But yeah, that's... You know, that's the, um, that's the forced conformity. It's the forced affirmation, you know? This idea, why if Tw- you know, Twitter can have whatever policy they want for content moderation. Delete my tweet if you don't like it. Take it down. You know, like, they can delete it. Why do they... Why do I have to delete it and say that I acknowledge that I engaged in hateful conduct? Doesn't that go, like, a step beyond just content moderation or censorship?

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:29

       I think their idea is that if you delete it, they're giving you the power to come back. Like, just follow the rules and you can come back, and they're giving you a doorway-

   25. SDSeth Dillon9:39

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:39

       ... instead of just banning you forever. They're saying, "Look, we, we have an option for you to come back."

   27. SDSeth Dillon9:45

       I mean, but they could easily do that. They could delete the tweet and say, "Just don't do it again." You know? Or they give me a warning and say, "Okay, we deleted your tweet."

   28. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       Why don't you guys just delete it? It's already up. You're, you already said what you wanted to say. And this way, you can say more shit now.

   29. SDSeth Dillon9:58

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       You know what I mean? It's like-
5. 19:00 – 22:27

   Banning the word “groomer,” drag discourse, and defining behavior vs identity

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:00

      Now, have they banned groomer?

   2. SDSeth Dillon19:00

      So they'll, they'll end up in their own... Yeah, they banned it. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:03

      Have they ba... Who's banned it? Twitter?

   4. SDSeth Dillon19:04

      Uh, all the, all the big tech companies in concert, all at the same time. It started, I think it started on Reddit. So, like, Reddit stopped allowing you to say-

   5. JRJoe Rogan19:12

      But did, did they necessarily-

   6. SDSeth Dillon19:13

      ... call this behavior grooming, and then the other ones kind of followed suit.

   7. JRJoe Rogan19:14

      Wasn't it in s... Didn't we discuss this, Jamie? Was it... It's not... Is it in certain rooms that they, they've banned the term groomer? 'Cause what about heterosexual groomers? What about men who go after, like, really young girls and befriend them and groom them? 'Cause that's real.

   8. SDSeth Dillon19:29

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:30

      That's real and it's always been disgusting.

   10. SDSeth Dillon19:31

       Well, it's all real, but, I mean, the, the term itself is now designated a slur.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:37

       How is that possible? It... I, I just don't understand why you would throw the baby out with the bath water. The band OK Groomer Guy, James... Oh, that's James Lindsay.

   12. SDSeth Dillon19:45

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:45

       Twitter has a ban on calling transgender people groomers. Oh. But what about groomers that are transgender? What if they're real? I mean, there are people that groom people. That's a thing. That's a-

   14. SDSeth Dillon19:57

       Well, okay, so if we're talking about, like, a family, uh, like, a family-friendly drag show, right? Like, does that-

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       How is that possible?

   16. SDSeth Dillon20:02

       The per- the drag-

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:03

       How, how do those terms even work together?

   18. SDSeth Dillon20:05

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:05

       You know? Let's-

   20. SDSeth Dillon20:06

       Don't ask me.

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:07

       Family-friendly porn theater.

   22. SDSeth Dillon20:08

       But, but it's not a transgender person that's performing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       Right.

   24. SDSeth Dillon20:11

       It's usually... Like, a, a, a drag queen is typically a gay man who's dressed as a woman. He's not necessarily transgender.

   25. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       Right.

   26. SDSeth Dillon20:17

       He doesn't identify as a woman. He's just... That's the show, is to dress like a woman. Right? That's what drag is.

   27. JRJoe Rogan20:22

       Right.

   28. SDSeth Dillon20:22

       It's not, it's not transgender.

   29. JRJoe Rogan20:24

       Yeah, but sometimes they are.

   30. SDSeth Dillon20:24

       And so if you consider-
6. 22:27 – 34:18

   Trans spaces and safety: locker rooms, offenders, and the LA spa incident

   1. JRJoe Rogan22:27

      Well, that's the problem also when they have this sort of blanket free pass for people who are trans where you're finding people that are sexual abusers with a long history of being sexual abusers, like people that have literally been incarcerated for various sexual offenses, sexual assault-

   2. SDSeth Dillon22:51

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:51

      ... and, and these people are going into women's locker rooms and saying that they're trans now and pulling their dicks out.

   4. SDSeth Dillon22:58

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:58

      And, you know, there are a lot of people that just genuinely are transgender people that would like to use a woman's locker room. But there's also people that are... They're, they're sick. There's something wrong with them.

   6. SDSeth Dillon23:10

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan23:10

      And these people do harass women and sexually assault women. And you're giving them access to women in a very vulnerable place where there's no protection for them at all.

   8. SDSeth Dillon23:20

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan23:21

      And that was, you know, that LA case where the massage w- was... The massage place?

   10. SDSeth Dillon23:26

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan23:26

       Yeah, that was the case. That person had a history. W- pull up that, th- that story.

   12. SDSeth Dillon23:33

       They were just exposing themselves, right?

   13. JRJoe Rogan23:34

       Yeah, they were walking a-

   14. SDSeth Dillon23:34

       I think a mother... I think there was a mother in there with, like, a teenage daughter.

   15. JRJoe Rogan23:37

       Exactly.

   16. SDSeth Dillon23:38

       Yeah, and it was the one time-

   17. JRJoe Rogan23:39

       And this was in LA, right? Yes. Was it Envy Massage Parlor- Yeah, yeah. ... is that what it's called? Uh... But that person who did it had a record. I mean, it wasn't-

   18. SDSeth Dillon23:49

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan23:49

       It was pretty clear that this person had already engaged in some seriously problematic behavior.

   20. SDSeth Dillon23:56

       Right. Yeah, but even if they haven't, in a context like that where you've got, like, a biologically male person-

   21. JRJoe Rogan24:02

       Yes.

   22. SDSeth Dillon24:03

       ... in a women's space like that and a mother is in there with her child, it's like, you know, regardless of how that person identifies, it's not an attack on them to say, "Hey look, you know, like, I don't want my daughter seeing a naked man's body-"

   23. JRJoe Rogan24:14

       Right.

   24. SDSeth Dillon24:14

       "... in the locker room." And then, so that's, you know, it's a tough conversation. When you're, when you're talking about... Like, that person may not be an offender of some kind. They may not be trying to put anyone in an uncomfortable situation, but, you know, you still have the concerns. It's the same thing, like, with sports, too, you know?

   25. JRJoe Rogan24:30

       Well, some people might not be, but some people definitely are.

   26. SDSeth Dillon24:34

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan24:34

       And some people have a history of it. Indecent exposure child f- charges filed against trans woman over LA spa incident. Okay, so now they've...... they, this is, this is 2021, but what, what did, the person did something in the past, they have a history of this. See if you can find that. This person, I'm, uh, 99% sure.

   28. SDSeth Dillon24:56

       Yeah, there you go. Police said she has a criminal history.

   29. JRJoe Rogan24:59

       Yeah.

   30. SDSeth Dillon24:59

       There you go.
7. 34:18 – 39:29

   Trans athletes and competitive fairness: biology, puberty, and outlier arguments

   1. SDSeth Dillon34:18

      ... right? That's horrible. But if you say... If you make a joke, uh, "Motorcyclist identifies as bicyclist and sets world record."

   2. JRJoe Rogan34:24

      Right.

   3. SDSeth Dillon34:25

      You know? You're making a joke to make a point, you know? You're-

   4. JRJoe Rogan34:27

      It's a funny joke.

   5. SDSeth Dillon34:28

      And that's... It's a funny joke. It went viral. It got shared millions of times. And we're criticized for being, like, antagonistic towards these communities by making jokes like that. And it's not the same thing as saying, like, "It's not okay to be trans." What it's saying is, "It's not fair to the bicyclists to have a motorcyclist competing against them."

   6. JRJoe Rogan34:49

      Yes.

   7. SDSeth Dillon34:49

      And so, what you're doing is you're-

   8. JRJoe Rogan34:50

      And you're comparing that to transgender athletes versus biological females-

   9. SDSeth Dillon34:54

      Exactly.

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:54

       ... which most people do.

   11. SDSeth Dillon34:55

       Which is a valid point.

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:56

       Most logical people.

   13. SDSeth Dillon34:57

       It's a valid point that's not rooted in hate-

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:58

       Right.

   15. SDSeth Dillon34:59

       ... at all. In fact, it's rooted in concern and compassion. When you try to say that this is a hateful position, I turn that on it- I, I turn it around and I say, "Well, look, you know, like, what about women? Like, who's showing compassion and concern? Who's trying to protect women and keep their sports their sports?" I mean, you can-

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:13

       Well, not only that, what is the percentage of people that are upsetting the far larger percentage that are biological females that are competing against this person-

   17. SDSeth Dillon35:23

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan35:24

       ... to protect one person's feelings by affirming them as a woman? You're making all these other people victims of uh, unfair athletic events-

   19. SDSeth Dillon35:31

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:32

       ... 'cause that's what it is. You know, there's a... Somebody just sent me this study that they've, they've done studies on the, the performance of various people, whether it's trans people or, or not. And they, someone just sent me this. I'm gonna send it to you, Jamie. You know, there's clearly some kind of advantage for some sports. And to say that any differently after you see what happens with, like, Lia Thomas or, uh, whoever the bicyclist is, and, uh, you know, some other athletes that have started to dominate in those spaces-

   21. SDSeth Dillon36:05

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:05

       ... it, it freaks biological females out. Because if you're a male and you've had testosterone pumping through your body most of your life, all of your li- until, like, a, like, a couple of years ago-

   23. SDSeth Dillon36:16

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:16

       ... and then you transition, like, that's not the same as being someone who's never gone through puberty. It's not.

   25. SDSeth Dillon36:22

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan36:22

       And that's why the swimming organization, uh, changed the threshold for transgender athletes, people that have not transitioned after 13 or 12, so avoiding males going through puberty where it would give them minimal amount of biological advantage.

   27. SDSeth Dillon36:38

       Right.

   28. JRJoe Rogan36:38

       And people talk about outliers. They always wanna talk about outliers.

   29. SDSeth Dillon36:42

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan36:42

       They always wanna talk about someone who is, like, the elite of the elite of female athletes, the freak of the freaks. But there's...... that there's a giant difference between the elite and the elite of females and the elite and the elite of males. Like, if you're gonna do this thing where you're going to the far ends of the spectrum, you got to go all the way. Because I don't give a fuck what the elite of the elite female boxer is. She will never be Mike Tyson.
8. 39:29 – 43:51

   Equity, opportunity, and “leveling the playing field” without tearing others down

   1. SDSeth Dillon39:29

      Kamala Harris just said, "We all have the same capacity." Did you see her say that? "We all have the same capacity."

   2. JRJoe Rogan39:33

      I tried to pay attention.

   3. SDSeth Dillon39:33

      "We just haven't realized it," because, you know, equity.

   4. JRJoe Rogan39:36

      To anything she says.

   5. SDSeth Dillon39:37

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan39:37

      Unless I'm mocking. Was she talking about economics, or was she talking about life success?

   7. SDSeth Dillon39:40

      I think she was talking about ... She's talking about, yeah, e- uh, life success, opportunity. "You know, we don't all start on equal footing, but we all have the same capacity. So, if we put ourselves on equal footing, we'll all reach the same result. It'll be equity."

   8. JRJoe Rogan39:51

      Yeah, that doesn't work. But what we should do is make it so that it's not so hard for people who live in disenfranchised communities. That's a real concern that we're not addressing.

   9. SDSeth Dillon40:01

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan40:01

       And I think, if you wanted to really give people the best chance in life, don't give them a fucked-up childhood. Figure out a way to somehow or another revive communities and give them a sustainable future where you don't have a long history of gang violence and crime and, and drug sales and violence. We cannot deny that is, it's a big difference, growing up in the suburbs of, you know, fucking The Hamptons versus growing up in Baltimore.

   11. SDSeth Dillon40:30

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan40:30

       It's a fucking giant difference.

   13. SDSeth Dillon40:31

       Oh, it's a huge difference. But you don't-

   14. JRJoe Rogan40:32

       But that's where-

   15. SDSeth Dillon40:33

       You don't level the playing field by, like ... If someone can't see over the fence, uh, you don't level the playing field by cutting out the legs of the person who can.

   16. JRJoe Rogan40:40

       Right.

   17. SDSeth Dillon40:40

       So that they both can't see.

   18. JRJoe Rogan40:42

       Yes. Yes. You, you, uh, you're talking about a funny meme.

   19. SDSeth Dillon40:45

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan40:45

       Yeah.

   21. SDSeth Dillon40:46

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan40:46

       It's a great meme.

   23. SDSeth Dillon40:46

       It is a good meme.

   24. JRJoe Rogan40:47

       But we can do the other thing and, and make ... This is what I, I always say about America. Wouldn't it be better if we had less losers? Right?

   25. SDSeth Dillon40:56

       (laughs) Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan40:56

       It'd be better for everybody. Well, how, what's the best way to get less losers? The best way to get less losers is to help people get the fuck out of where they're at. And there's some people that just got to shit roll the dice. And a lot of conservative people don't wanna recognize that.

   27. SDSeth Dillon41:09

       Mm-hmm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan41:10

       They don't wanna talk about that. They always ... There's this narrative, this pull yourself up by your bootstraps. There's people that don't have (laughs) fucking shoes. There's these people that they got a terrible roll of the dice, and by the time they're working and integrated into a system, they're 18 years old or whatever they are, that's 18 years of a fucked life.

   29. SDSeth Dillon41:27

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan41:27

       And that can be fixed. That can be fixed, just like we have enough money to send $40 billion to Ukraine and 87,000 new IRS agents. You know what else we have money for? We have money to revitalize cities-
9. 43:51 – 1:03:13

   Abortion debate: conception, personhood, late-term cases, and why it stays inflamed

   1. JRJoe Rogan43:51

      That's real too. There's also women who have been raped who should not have to fucking carry some rapist's baby. There's women who have been sexually assaulted before the age of 14. They're supposed to-

   2. SDSeth Dillon44:02

      There's also ... Hold on though.

   3. JRJoe Rogan44:03

      But hold on. Don't stop me.

   4. SDSeth Dillon44:04

      There's also ... Okay.

   5. JRJoe Rogan44:05

      You ... That's real too.

   6. SDSeth Dillon44:07

      There's-

   7. JRJoe Rogan44:07

      And we all have to agree. We have to agree on both of those things.

   8. SDSeth Dillon44:10

      There are also, though, and I'm not ... I'm, I'm not gonna argue with you on that point. But I will say there are people who have been born of rape and are alive right now and are pro-life. And they go around speaking-

   9. JRJoe Rogan44:21

      That's great.

   10. SDSeth Dillon44:21

       ... talking about how, "I had a right to live." And they, and they will go out there and make an argument, a pro-life case, and they're a rape ... They're the, uh, born of a rape.

   11. JRJoe Rogan44:28

       You don't have a right to tell a 14-year-old girl she has to carry a rapist's baby.

   12. SDSeth Dillon44:32

       I'm just saying that-

   13. JRJoe Rogan44:33

       You just don't-

   14. SDSeth Dillon44:33

       I'm just saying that's real too.

   15. JRJoe Rogan44:33

       Do you understand what you're saying?

   16. SDSeth Dillon44:34

       Yeah, I understand what ... I understand what you're saying.

   17. JRJoe Rogan44:35

       But do you understand what, what I'm saying? Like, you don't have the right to tell my 14-year-old daughter she has to carry her rapist's baby. You understand that?

   18. SDSeth Dillon44:41

       And to look that woman in the eye who s- who was the born of a rape-

   19. JRJoe Rogan44:44

       But, but listen. Do you understand that? That's a 14-year-old child.

   20. SDSeth Dillon44:47

       I know.

   21. JRJoe Rogan44:47

       If you ... A 14-year-old child gets raped, you say that they have to carry that baby?

   22. SDSeth Dillon44:51

       I don't think two wrongs make a right. I don't think murder-

   23. JRJoe Rogan44:52

       That's not ... I don't think that's wrong.

   24. SDSeth Dillon44:53

       I don't think murder is an answer to ... I don't think murder fixes a rape.

   25. JRJoe Rogan44:57

       What if we're talking about an abortion when the fetus i- uh, like liter- literally it's like six weeks, four weeks, three days. What if she just turned positive, just now, positive for pregnancy?

   26. SDSeth Dillon45:09

       I don't ... I ... Well, I just disagree that you can-

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:10

       What if it just happened today?

   28. SDSeth Dillon45:11

       ... that you can, like, draw a line on when-

   29. JRJoe Rogan45:12

       Right.

   30. SDSeth Dillon45:13

       You can't-
10. 1:03:13 – 1:08:00

    Why in-person conversation beats Twitter: nuance, tone, and the permanence trap

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:03:13

       But I think-

    2. SDSeth Dillon1:03:13

       ... where else are you gonna have it?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:03:13

       ... Twitter is the problem in the format, because think about what we- you and I just did. This would be horribly frustrating to do through text.

    4. SDSeth Dillon1:03:22

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:03:23

       You would have to think about the exact word in your tweet.

    6. SDSeth Dillon1:03:26

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

       You'd have to respond to what I said.

    8. SDSeth Dillon1:03:27

       Character limitation.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:03:28

       And, you know, and maybe you might insult me, get a little jab in on me.

    10. SDSeth Dillon1:03:31

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:03:31

        Maybe I'll insult you back-

    12. SDSeth Dillon1:03:32

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:03:32

        ... get a little jab in on you. And we're not in front of each other having a conversation like this.

    14. SDSeth Dillon1:03:36

        Right.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:36

        The beautiful thing about having a conversation with someone is that you're right there with them. And if you're a good person, you don't wanna be in an argument with someone. If you could have a conversation with someone without being in an argument with them, you can.

    16. SDSeth Dillon1:03:46

        Right, right.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:46

        I mean, I s- supported my position, you supported your position. We just talked.

    18. SDSeth Dillon1:03:50

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:03:51

        And i-... we can't be th-... Communicating, you're, you're gonna have a really hard time doing that on Twitter. Like, even someone who's, like, a genuine kind person, like, I find myself to be a genuinely kind person. I, or I try myself, v- I try very hard to be a ve- genuinely kind person. I really do. And so, like, if I'm engaging with people on Twitter, I don't wanna get into one of those things.

    20. SDSeth Dillon1:04:12

        Right.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:04:13

        I don't wanna, like, shit on them.

    22. SDSeth Dillon1:04:14

        Right.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:04:14

        I don't wanna fuck with them. I'm not interested.

    24. SDSeth Dillon1:04:16

        Own them. Dunk on them.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:04:17

        I could do that at a comedy club if I have to shut-

    26. SDSeth Dillon1:04:18

        Ratio the hell out of them.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:04:19

        ... if I have to shut someone up.

    28. SDSeth Dillon1:04:20

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:04:20

        But I- I'm not in- engaged in that sport. But some people do.

    30. SDSeth Dillon1:04:24

        Yeah.
11. 1:08:00 – 1:16:07

    Satire’s role: the “sacred clown” and ridiculing bad ideas before they harden

    1. SDSeth Dillon1:08:00

       And making it, like, your thing. It's like you're on Twitter all day, like, debating people or, like, trying to beat people over the head, uh, with whatever your i- political ideas are or your moral ideas or whatever. But I mean, i- advancing, trying to... You know, like, The Bee... It's interesting. What we do, what w- we do at The Bee, satire itself is like you w- you're, you're... On one hand, you're just trying to make people laugh, but you are also trying to make them think. You're trying to engage the ideas of the day, right? Like, the satirists... Like, the way that, uh, the o- the way that The Onion defines satire in one of their, like, encyclopedias or whatever is it's, uh, it's being a smartass while saying it's for a higher purpose.

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