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Joe Rogan Experience #1858 - Josh Dubin & Derrick Hamilton

Josh Dubin is an Ambassador to The Innocence Project, Criminal justice reform advocate, attorney, and president of Dubin Research and Consulting. Derrick Hamilton spent more than 20 years trying to overturn his wrongful conviction, and he now helps others that have been wrongfully convicted. www.innocenceproject.org

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Jun 26, 20243h 0mWatch on YouTube ↗

At a glance

WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT

Wrongful Convictions, Junk Science, and One Man’s Relentless Prison Crusade

  1. Joe Rogan speaks with civil rights lawyer Josh Dubin and exoneree-turned-jailhouse-lawyer Derrick Hamilton about wrongful convictions, prosecutorial misconduct, and systemic racism in the U.S. criminal justice system.
  2. Hamilton recounts being framed twice for murder by notorious NYPD detective Louis Scarcella, spending over 30 years in prison, teaching himself law, and then helping free dozens of other incarcerated people.
  3. Dubin and Hamilton dissect how junk forensic science, incentivized policing and prosecution, political cowardice, and weak accountability structures produce and maintain wrongful convictions.
  4. They also describe new reform efforts: a forthcoming legal justice center, student-driven innocence work, and community organizing models aimed at changing laws, clemency practices, and who holds power.

IDEAS WORTH REMEMBERING

5 ideas

Innocent people must often become their own best advocates.

Hamilton survived decades in prison by mastering criminal procedure, filing his own motions, and meticulously building records that later enabled appellate courts to recognize his innocence.

A few rogue actors can corrupt entire justice ecosystems.

Detective Louis Scarcella’s pattern of fabricated witnesses and coerced testimony has been linked to at least 20 exonerations, illustrating how unchecked police and prosecutorial misconduct can devastate hundreds of lives and families.

Much of ‘forensic science’ in court is scientifically weak or outright junk.

The conversation highlights how bite marks, blood spatter, certain fingerprint practices, and ballistics testimony have flimsy origins, high error rates, and are still being used to secure convictions despite serious scientific criticism.

Procedural rules often trump actual innocence in U.S. courts.

They discuss Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Shin v. Ramirez) where the majority explicitly prioritized procedural bars and timelines over compelling innocence claims, reinforcing how hard it is to reverse wrongful convictions.

Racism and class drive who is policed, charged, and imprisoned.

ACLU data show Black people are about 3.5 times more likely than white people to be arrested for marijuana possession despite similar or lower usage, and similar disparities appear across crime categories and sentencing.

WORDS WORTH SAVING

5 quotes

I knew for a fact that if I didn’t stand up and throw punches back through the law, I would’ve stayed in prison the rest of my life.

— Derrick Hamilton

Power is worse than any drug. If we don’t pay attention to who we put in positions of power, this will keep happening.

— Josh Dubin

Our entire culture should be, ‘First make sure no one is ever convicted of something they didn’t do. And if they are, get them out.’

— Joe Rogan

There’s a small minority of people in prison in the law library every single day. The innocent guys are in that law library every single day trying to find a way out.

— Derrick Hamilton

You don’t have to be great or powerful or omniscient to make change happen. You just have to break from what’s expected.

— Josh Dubin

Derrick Hamilton’s wrongful convictions, self-education in law, and exonerationSystemic misconduct: detective Louis Scarcella, prosecutors, and parole boardsJunk science in court: fingerprints, bite marks, ballistics, and blood spatterRacism, marijuana enforcement, and sentencing disparities in the U.S.Structural issues: qualified immunity, statutes of limitation, and Supreme Court limits on innocence claimsPolitical power, tribalism, and examples involving Ron DeSantis and Kamala HarrisReform strategies: innocence projects, clemency campaigns, student programs, and community organizing

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