EVERY SPOKEN WORD
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(drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast,…
- NANarrator
(drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Hello, Tulsi.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Hello, Joe.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see you.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
It's good to be back.
- JRJoe Rogan
What's cracking? How you been?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Nice seeing you.
- JRJoe Rogan
What's it been like, uh, retiring from-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... being a congresswoman for a wee bit?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
(laughs) Yeah. I alwa- it feels so weird hearing that word.
- JRJoe Rogan
Retire?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's a, it's a dirty word.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
I don't know what that means.
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't believe in retirement.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I b- I believe in quitting. (laughs)
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Y- yeah. (laughs) I suppose. Uh, or, or moving on, rather.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Moving on. I, that's where I, I never... I've never seen politics as a "career". Some people are like, "Oh, how's it like retiring from Congress?" Like, I, I don't, I can't relate-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
... to that. I'm just continuing the work, but in a different way.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, the way you did it though is what most people should do. Like, when people are running for office and then they're also in a job.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, you're not doing a good job at that job. There's no way you can be.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, running for office, just campaign financing, just ra- raising the money for the campaign has to be crazy.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
It is.
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Yeah. …
- JRJoe Rogan
including electric cars-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... the construction of solar panels, like everything, the transportation of goods and services. This idea that you're just gonna stop all future projects-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because you think that that's what your ideological group wants.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Play it.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
I think this is it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Let me see it. Let me see her face.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, that's it. This is it. So...
- NANarrator
You have all committed, as you all know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Here it is.
- NANarrator
... uh, to transition the emissions from lending and investment activities to align with pathways to net zero in 2050. You know, uh, what the International Energy, Energy, um, Agency has said is required to meet our goal, global 2050 net zero targets of limiting global temperature rise to 2.7 degrees Fahrenheit, or 1.5 degrees Celsius? So-
- JRJoe Rogan
Celsius. (laughs)
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Celsius. (laughs) I don't know what that is.
- NANarrator
... no new fossil fuel production-
- JRJoe Rogan
Celsius. (laughs)
- NANarrator
... starting today-
- JRJoe Rogan
What a wizard.
- NANarrator
... less than, like, zero. So I would like to ask all of you, and go down the list, 'cause again, you all have agreed to doing this. Please answer with a simple yes or no. Does your bank have a policy against funding new oil and gas products? Mr. Dimon?
Absolutely not, and that would be the road to hell for America.
Yeah. That's fine.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, no, no, there's more. This is just a-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is like a Fox News clip. There's more of her... See if you can find the rest of it.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
See if you can find an actual clip of the conversation, instead of this nonsense with the music over it. Because the actual clip of the conversation shows, like she goes down the line and talks to these guys, and they all say no.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Each one, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Everyone says no. Because i- it's-
- 30:00 – 45:00
No worries. …
- NANarrator
read and think at the same time. I can't do that.
- JRJoe Rogan
No worries.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
'Cause the teacher could probably-
- NANarrator
It brings them appear.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So here it is. The Peter Boghossian and Helen PluckPro- Pluckrose and James Lindsay, uh, seeded peer-reviewed journals with absurd critical studies papers-
- NANarrator
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... which was amazing, that they'd simply made up, caused a huge stir, but neither academia's perverse incentives nor the often ridiculous stances on critical studies have noticeably changed as a result. Academia still publishing, apparently sincerely-... autoethnoge- how do you say that word? Ethno-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Graphic?
- JRJoe Rogan
Graphic. Autoethnographic studies about pedophilic masturbation.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
What?
- JRJoe Rogan
What is that?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
What?
- JRJoe Rogan
Click on that link.
- NANarrator
Uh... (laughs)
- TGTulsi Gabbard
(laughs)
- NANarrator
Here we go. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
What does- what are they saying? What does this study?
- NANarrator
Uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
We'll get, we'll come back to this in a moment. I wanna know what the fuck they're talking about. So, university investigators-
- NANarrator
Oh, you mean like that?
- JRJoe Rogan
PHD, yeah.
- NANarrator
Like this?
- JRJoe Rogan
Click on that.
- NANarrator
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
Click on that real quick.
- NANarrator
Hold on.
- JRJoe Rogan
University investigates PhD student's paper on-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Oh, my gosh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... masturbating to comics of young boys. Holy shit. Manchester University launches inquiry into ethical standards after paper details masturbation sessions. A leading university has launched an inquiry after it emerged that one of its PhD students has written a research paper about sexual attraction to young boys.
- NANarrator
(sighs)
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Yeah. …
- TGTulsi Gabbard
fifth grade, that are causing your child to say, "Well, I don't know if I'm a boy," or, "I don't know if I'm a girl." I saw some of these books that, that, um, uh, some of the parents in Virginia and other states are protesting, uh, at their boards of education trying to get these books removed from their, their kids' schools. These books, like I thought, "Okay, how bad can it be?" I, I saw them-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
... and they are some of the most graphic images I have ever seen in my life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, including oral sex.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Including oral sex. And, and this is, this is targeted towards 12-year-olds.
- JRJoe Rogan
(clears throat)
- TGTulsi Gabbard
13-year-olds.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so strange that we've gone this far, like, into cuckoo land. And that it's happened so quickly.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
It s- seems like it's happened so quickly, but that's where if we actually stop and think about it, it has been very intentional and the groundwork has been laid, uh, over time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think it's intentional like planned out? Or do you think that there is an ideology that gets accepted and then that ideology fe- it's like a forest fire. It feeds off new fuel so it has to expand its boundaries. 'Cause that's what I think.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
I, I think, I think it's probably a combination of both.
- JRJoe Rogan
So if, if it is intentional, whose intention is it to spread this?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
People who... (sighs) I mean, it's, it's the, it's the very same people who are doing it now, I think, over time, trying to see how far they can push, uh, you know, I mean, the sexualization of our kids in our society. Um, you know, I, I don't know exactly who the person is or the group is or whatever, but we can't have gotten to this place by, by accident.
- JRJoe Rogan
Why not?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Uh, because it's happ- it's happened so methodically and so quickly over, over time.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. But if it's a mind virus, which I, what I think it is, and I think that these, these ideological perspectives that are not grounded in reality get accepted by people and then they promote it. These people are promoting it without any, uh, conversation with some cabal of evil leaders.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's clear there's a mechanism at play.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that mechanism is very easy to follow. You could see where it starts in universities.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
You could also (clears throat) ... (clears throat) You can also see that in these universities, these people that are promoting these things and teaching children also grew up in the university system themselves and most of them don't have any real world experience. They have experience going from being in a university to teaching in a university and then promoting these ideologies that are preposterous to the rest of the world as if they're smarter than the rest of the world-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and then that keeps spreading.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It needs more fuel.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So it keeps moving further and further to the left-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and further and further into crazy land. But I don't think, I, I think just by observing that, just by observing the fact that these people that are promoting these things, they're not being paid to do it, they're not... Th- th- they're, they're stuck in this, this mind virus.
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Is that this big…
- TGTulsi Gabbard
freedom of thought, they don't believe in freedom of religion. All they believe in is, you've got to buy into whatever they're selling at any given day. And, and like I said, not only... It's not enough to agree. You've got to go out there, you've got to march in the parade, you've got to carry the sign, you've got to scream and yell, and don't you dare even think about talking to Republicans. Don't, don't even think about working with Republicans because that, that directly undermines their, their authority. And, and frankly, Joe, this is something that I've, I've been, um, I've been trying to fight against within the Democratic Party back when I was vice chair of the DNC, uh, for years, and it's, it's gotten to a point where, um, those who have been in charge for a long time remain in charge, uh, are not willing to change. And, uh, and so I'm, I'm, I'm leaving the Democratic Party.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that this big announcement?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're leaving the Democratic Party?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
I'm leaving the Democratic Party because I've tried to enact that change from within. It's not... I, I, I, I don't see the Democratic Party as being saveable. And I know that I can make an impact, uh-... more from the outside. And I, and, and frankly I just, I can't be associated and stand by, uh, this, this insanity that's been going on and continues to worsen day by day.
- JRJoe Rogan
Are you going to be an Independent?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
So that's how you're moving forward?
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
What, what is it about this country that is so politically married to having two teams, and two teams only? And how do we fix that? Because there i- there, there is very little room for someone who's a third party candidate to be taken seriously in this country. And when you do vote for a Libertarian, you do vote for an Independent, many people think of it as a protest vote.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Spoiler, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Or, or at the very least, you say, you know, "That, that's why I voted for Jo Jorgensen. That, that is me personally why I did." Because I was like, "This is ... I'm not voting for him and I'm not voting for her."
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Fuck this." And then I'm not voting ... Or that was, with this one it was Biden actually. But that was also why I was voting for Gary Johnson. It was like-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... "I'm not voting for her and I'm not voting for him."
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
"I'll vote for that guy even if, if he doesn't know where Aleppo is."
- TGTulsi Gabbard
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like ... (laughs)
- TGTulsi Gabbard
(laughs) That's right, I forgot about that.
- JRJoe Rogan
But I don't ... That, that wasn't that big of a deal to me. That, to me, was like-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
It seems like ... I mean, it was a big deal at the time, but it seems like so minor now compared to, you know, our Vice President standing at the DMZ-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
... saying, "We are great allies with North Korea." (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
What a fuck-up that was.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And that didn't even make the news.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Oh my gosh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like p- people barely talked about it.
- 1:15:00 – 1:21:15
Right. …
- TGTulsi Gabbard
to, to get out of just this, um, this two-party system mindset and this mindset of fear that drives so many of the elections where instead of saying like, "Hey, I'm running for president because this is how, this is how I'm offering to lead the country. This is how I'm offering to serve the country. Here are the things that I will do," instead of that, we are, we are kind of relegated to, um, "Hey, vote for me or vote for my party because the other guy's the devil."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
And not, and, and, and really treating voters like, like we're idiots and we don't care or have the intelligence to actually look at, "Okay, here's where you stand on this issue, here's where this other person stands on this issue. I'm gonna make my decision not based on party, but actually based on, hey, who best reflects my values? Who, who is actually going to put, um, the country first, the interests of the American people and, and the country first? And not just the people who say the words, but the people who actually, um, you know, have the, have the record and the policies, um, to back that up." And, and so I, I, I hope that this is, this is the direction that we're moving in as more and more people get disillusioned, um, with leaders in both parties who care more about their own political ambitions and their own party's power than they actually do care about the American people.
- JRJoe Rogan
It seems like part of the problem is that that attack style of politics works. Like, just think about someone saying, "Oh, she's crazy." Like, okay, how is she crazy? But that's a narrative.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it gets out there because they attacked you.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, like, that stuff works. That's what's unfortunate is that instead of (clears throat) to make it, like if, if there was an incentive to say, "These are our plans and this is how we can implement this," and just ignore negativity on the other side.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"This is what I wanna do, and I think that we are the best hope for the American people moving forward."
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah. I, you know, when, when I was running for president, uh, at town halls that we held across the country, it didn't really matter where we were, whether it was a small town or a big city, middle America, East Coast, West Coast, um, one of the things that, um, one of the, the media-embedded reporters that would, you know, kind of follow us around everywhere we went said, made an observation that I, that I thought was pretty awesome. Uh, this reporter said, "Gosh, you know, I go to all these different campaign and candidate events. Um, yours is the only one where people walk out feeling hopeful and feeling inspired." And we had Democrats, Republicans, and Independents and Libertarians at every single one of those, and it was because we talked about different issues. We talked about, uh, you know, the, the threat of a, of nuclear war. We talked about this new Cold War, the dangers of continuing down this path. We talked about things that they c- education. We talked about how, we actually talked about these things. Most days, I, they're, I never brought up Trump because why?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
I'm running and I'm, I'm asking you, "Hey, let me have the opportunity to serve you, and here's, here's what we will do." Whereas with these other candidates, these other Democrat candidates who were running, people left angry. People left angry. And that was their only goal was like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
... "Hey, how many lines against Trump can we use that we know are gonna piss people off and motivate them through anger and fear rather than through hope, uh, and inspiration for what we can do together as a country?" Um, that, that's the direction that we need, that we need to go, and there, there are a lot of things that, that, um, are issues-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
... that are of concern, um, and treating people with respect and like they have intelligence, uh, and actually tackling those issues, um, breaking through and being able to, to deliver that message to the American people, I think, is, is the challenge. I think people want it, but the media, the media does a really great job of kind of reducing, reducing things to their, um, their lowest kind of standard.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think that the biggest challenge or one of the, uh, one, I should just rephrase that. One of the biggest challenges, I believe, is the influence of money. And when you look at, one of, Dave Smith was on the podcast recently, and we went over the defense budget. And-I had no idea it was that much. It's, it's such an insane-
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... amount of money. How can decisions be made that are not influenced by that money when you're talking about whatever the- What, what was it? $1.7 trillion? That is a preposterously huge amount of money per year.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That was t- the 2022 budget, apparently. What can be done to remove money from the equation of doing the right thing, doing the safe thing, doing the, the, the, the th- the thing that's gonna secure the future of America and put- put us in a good direction? It seems like money is so inexorably tied to all the political decisions that get made in this country, particularly when it t- has to do with foreign policy.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
When you're talking about... And you have been a very outspoken critic of inter- interventionist, uh, foreign policy and wars that are unnecessary and that put lives in danger and costs incredible amounts of money, but enrich the coffers of all these corporations.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
And that undermine our own-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
... interests and security interests. Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. And this is exactly what Eisenhower warned of when he was leaving office.
- TGTulsi Gabbard
Exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
The military-industrial complex. I mean, that is such a nefarious term. And to most people, it's sort of abstract. Like you hear that term, the military-industrial complex. Like you, if you go to the average person on the street, even a well-educated person, like, "Define that."
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