Joe Rogan Experience #1884 - Anthony Kiedis

1. 0:00 – 3:20

   Intro

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. AKAnthony Kiedis0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) Good to see you, man. What's happening?

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      How do you feel? What is really happening?

   4. AKAnthony Kiedis0:15

      Your show was fucking great.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      I- thank you.

   6. AKAnthony Kiedis0:18

      I really enjoyed it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      I'm so happy to hear that. What that means to me is, even on a off night, we're still pretty damn good.

   8. AKAnthony Kiedis0:23

      That was an off night?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:25

      Way off.

   10. AKAnthony Kiedis0:25

       Really?

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Bad sound. But-

   12. AKAnthony Kiedis0:28

       Sound was bad?

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       For me.

   14. AKAnthony Kiedis0:30

       Sounded good.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       We have high standards.

   16. AKAnthony Kiedis0:33

       (laughs) I guess. I mean, it was, it was excellent.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       Thank you.

   18. AKAnthony Kiedis0:36

       W- so what else was wrong? High s- the sound?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Well, I like to dance, and I like to get the, the mojo flowing-

   20. AKAnthony Kiedis0:43

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       ... at maximum f- photon speed.

   22. AKAnthony Kiedis0:46

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       And my knee was locked up, so I couldn't fully flow, which is disconcerting, and it actually throws my singing off as well.

   24. AKAnthony Kiedis0:56

       Mm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       But-

   26. AKAnthony Kiedis0:57

       Well, we talked afterwards about your knee injury, but while you were on stage, I didn't notice anything. You moved great.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Mm. I can move better, but thanks. The good news for me is-

   28. AKAnthony Kiedis1:06

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       ... I'm surrounded by Jon, Chad, and Flea, which is just, like, a, a huge uplifting energy circle, so. They carry me.

   30. AKAnthony Kiedis1:20

       Yeah.
2. 3:20 – 6:38

   Joints

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:20

      feels wonderful. It feels so good. If I can, if I can do what I want to do for the next 20, 30 years, I'm just, hallelujah.

   2. AKAnthony Kiedis3:29

      It's just a matter of the joints, the joints holding up.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:32

      I think they're gonna repair.

   4. AKAnthony Kiedis3:33

      Yeah?

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:33

      I think they're gonna repair. I went hard last night, and I feel better today than I did when I saw you a week ago.

   6. AKAnthony Kiedis3:38

      Oh, well that's great. Did you get any treatments done on the knee or anything?

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:42

      Osteopathy.

   8. AKAnthony Kiedis3:43

      Osteopathy. What is that?

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:46

      Osteopathy is a medicine, a hands-on medicine, where you have to study for 12 years before you can touch a patient. And they, they study anatomy, connectivity, all tissues, all bones. And this girl is French, Lucille, and she gets in there and she starts feeling the hamstrings connected to the knee bones, connected to the calf things, connected to the arch of your foot, and she just starts allowing your body to heal. So, she makes some space with her hands and her mind.

   10. AKAnthony Kiedis4:15

       Her mind?

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       Oh, yeah. You have to be focused. There's a concentration to it.

   12. AKAnthony Kiedis4:20

       Hm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:21

       It's not the biggest part, but it's a part. You looking at me?

   14. AKAnthony Kiedis4:25

       Okay.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       Yeah.

   16. AKAnthony Kiedis4:26

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:26

       Anyway, I had a frozen shoulder. I went to every doctor in the world, nothing.

   18. AKAnthony Kiedis4:32

       Oh, really?

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:32

       Three visits with Lucille.

   20. AKAnthony Kiedis4:35

       You know what's great for shoulders is hanging from your, your hands.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:39

       Yeah.

   22. AKAnthony Kiedis4:39

       Like a, a chin-up bar.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Yeah.

   24. AKAnthony Kiedis4:40

       It's really good for that.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:41

       Sounds good.

   26. AKAnthony Kiedis4:41

       If you have frozen shoulders, impingements-

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:44

       Hmm.

   28. AKAnthony Kiedis4:44

       ... and things like that. And there's a theory that, you know, as we are primates, our ancestors swung from trees and h- hung on trees, and that the joint, uh, i- expresses itself better when it's, like, constantly put through a range of motion-

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:59

       Mm-hmm.

   30. AKAnthony Kiedis4:59

       ... and hanging from things. And people, especially people with sedentary lifestyles that n- never really, uh, put that kind of like, where your, your body weight sort of stretches out your joint, your joints can kind of collapse, and they get impinged, and they, th- th- you know, they get kinda fucked up.
3. 6:38 – 9:23

   Public eye

   1. AKAnthony Kiedis6:38

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:38

      I feel like I started late, relatively speaking.

   3. AKAnthony Kiedis6:42

      Relatively.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:43

      Yeah. So-

   5. AKAnthony Kiedis6:43

      But you've been performing since you were how old?

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:46

      83, which would put me at 21.

   7. AKAnthony Kiedis6:49

      That's pretty young.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      But my friends had been studying and playing and practicing music since they were 10, the guys that I hooked up with musically.

   9. AKAnthony Kiedis6:57

      Hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:58

       So, 21 is kind of like, you already have to have started music. Let's, like with a sport-

   11. AKAnthony Kiedis7:05

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:05

       ... if you start at 21-

   13. AKAnthony Kiedis7:07

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       ... uh, it's kind of late in the game.

   15. AKAnthony Kiedis7:08

       That's true.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:09

       So I just got lucky that I had been studying other things that fed into music, so I had something to say. I had rhythm, I had love for dance, love for sound, love for my friends. But I have been performing since I was 21.

   17. AKAnthony Kiedis7:26

       That's a long time to be in the public eye, living that life.

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       Hmm. It is and it's, it's both wonderful and horrific at the same time.

   19. AKAnthony Kiedis7:37

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:37

       The public eye, specifically.

   21. AKAnthony Kiedis7:39

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       Yeah.

   23. AKAnthony Kiedis7:40

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       Um, I don't think I would trade it because it comes with joy and perks and it's a unique experience. But I love my anonymity to pieces.

   25. AKAnthony Kiedis7:52

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:53

       I love going out in the world and just not get-

   27. AKAnthony Kiedis7:56

       Can you still do that?

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:59

       Yes. Not often, but when I do, I love it.

   29. AKAnthony Kiedis8:03

       When you can sneak by?

   30. JRJoe Rogan8:05

       Uh, I'm not even sneaking. I just-
4. 9:23 – 10:54

   Los Angeles

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:23

      yeah, L- LA geographically it's gorgeous. It's, it's, it's a harsh toke these days.

   2. AKAnthony Kiedis9:29

      It's different, you know. I got out in, um ... We started looking in May of 2020, like right when, uh, right when they expanded, you know, two weeks to flatten the curve and it got to, uh, a month and a half, and I was like, "Oh, this is not going away."

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:45

      Mm-hmm.

   4. AKAnthony Kiedis9:46

      And I started seeing that there was other places where they were taking a more sane approach. I immediately started looking.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:52

      Mm-hmm.

   6. AKAnthony Kiedis9:53

      But I had been thinking about getting out of LA anyway, just that I get anxiety about the sheer numbers of people. The sheer ... There's the traffic, the, the just the untenable volume of human beings was just ... Like, there's a certain level of anxiety that comes with that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:12

      Mm-hmm.

   8. AKAnthony Kiedis10:12

      That when I would go to other places, like if I would go to Montana or go to, like, Utah, it was like, "Oh, this feels better. Like, this is relaxing. There's, like, less humans."

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:22

      I hear that. You did live in the boondocks, did you not?

   10. AKAnthony Kiedis10:27

       I lived a little outside. Like, I didn't live in the city-city, but, so it was nice that I got my little break there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:33

       Mm-hmm.

   12. AKAnthony Kiedis10:33

       But it was always, I was always aware it was around the corner. It was always there. I mean, I was, I was living near, there was a lot of, like, owls and coyotes and, you know, those mountain lions. There's a lot of shit out where I live.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       Those are my people.

   14. AKAnthony Kiedis10:47

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       Yeah.

   16. AKAnthony Kiedis10:48

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:48

       Those are my people. You're naming my people.

   18. AKAnthony Kiedis10:50

       Those are your creatures.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       Yes.

   20. AKAnthony Kiedis10:52

       Yeah. There's a lot of that here.

5. 10:54 – 14:22

   Motorcycles

   1. AKAnthony Kiedis10:54

      Yeah.

   2. JRJoe Rogan10:54

      Yeah, the traffic thing is hell. I ride a motorcycle to circumvent as much of it as possible.

   3. AKAnthony Kiedis11:01

      Do you really?

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:02

      Every day.

   5. AKAnthony Kiedis11:03

      Wow.

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:04

      Every day, unless it's freezing or raining.

   7. AKAnthony Kiedis11:07

      That is a wild thing to do in Los Angeles, to ride a motorcycle, 'cause there's so many people on their phone-

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:12

      (laughs)

   9. AKAnthony Kiedis11:12

      ... and there's so many cars.

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       It's nor-

   11. AKAnthony Kiedis11:14

       You just have to be defensive.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:15

       It's normal to me.

   13. AKAnthony Kiedis11:16

       Yeah?

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:16

       It's second nature.

   15. AKAnthony Kiedis11:17

       Have you always ran- r- ridden a motorcycle?

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:20

       Uh, I started off crashing mini bikes through backyard fences-

   17. AKAnthony Kiedis11:24

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:25

       ... in Michigan, and I put it down for a while. And then sometime in the '80s, Chad Smith showed up on a Suzuki and I was like, "Let me try that big bike," and I was hooked.

   19. AKAnthony Kiedis11:37

       Wow.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:38

       Yes.

   21. AKAnthony Kiedis11:38

       So you just get around on motorcycles?

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:40

       I do, on a cop bike.

   23. AKAnthony Kiedis11:41

       Really?

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       A cop ... Yeah, it's the bike that the California Highway Patrol use.

   25. AKAnthony Kiedis11:47

       So it's a big cruiser?

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:49

       It's big, it has a windshield, it's fast. It handles like a magic carpet.

   27. AKAnthony Kiedis11:54

       Yeah?

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:54

       Um, yeah. I love it.

   29. AKAnthony Kiedis11:57

       Wow.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:58

       Yes.
6. 14:22 – 18:13

   Work Hard

   1. JRJoe Rogan14:22

      I, I, I really have no complaints. I, I love my job so much. I don't know h- what I did to deserve it, but it is...

   2. AKAnthony Kiedis14:30

      You're really good at it. That's what you did to deserve it. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:34

      (laughs) I do work hard, um, but I was taught how to work hard by my boys in the band, 'cause they all work hard, really hard.

   4. AKAnthony Kiedis14:42

      They could tell.

   5. JRJoe Rogan14:42

      They're, they're obsessed. They're obsessed with practicing and learning and pushing the boundaries and evolving and tapping into that which you cannot see or, or totally understand. Horrific. May- maybe I exaggerated with the word horrific, um...

   6. AKAnthony Kiedis14:59

      It's a good word, though.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      It's a good word. It's got the word horror. I know you like some horror.

   8. AKAnthony Kiedis15:04

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      Yeah, it's not really horrific if I think about it.

   10. AKAnthony Kiedis15:09

       No.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:09

       I take that back.

   12. AKAnthony Kiedis15:10

       It's just inconvenient sometimes, maybe.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       Sometimes I'm shy and bashful and reclusive and I just wanna-

   14. AKAnthony Kiedis15:20

       Chill.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       ... chill, and people wanna take pictures or have me-

   16. AKAnthony Kiedis15:25

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:25

       ... have me talk to their girlfriend on the phone, or...

   18. AKAnthony Kiedis15:28

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       Small price, small price. This brings me to my new philosophy in life, which I remind myself every day. Can I give it to you?

   20. AKAnthony Kiedis15:38

       Yeah, please.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       So two months ago, we were playing at the MetLife Stadium in New Jersey, big, beautiful stadium full of people excited to sing and dance, and these two Painter sisters from Texas, raised in Manhattan, brought their friend to the show. We're like, "Great. Come and we'll hook you up with tickets and passes. Come say hello, beautiful people." And the girl they brought was radiant in every aspect of the word, physically, beautiful, energy, kindness, just light. And all of my friends are like, "Who's that girl? That girl's amazing." Just a f- a friend of our Painter friends. And a week went by, and I opened the paper, and I saw this girl had died unexpectedly. One, 33-year-old actor/model/artist.

   22. AKAnthony Kiedis16:32

       Wow.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:33

       And she woke up and died, and they're not sure why, maybe sepsis. (clears throat) Who knows? Young people are dying these days. (clears throat) And I thought to myself, I woke up today and I complained about how long my room service took, how muggy it was outside, and the traffic, and, and I decided this, this girl h- was just a giver of a human being, and she got plucked. So I said to myself, "Don't be a bitch." Nothing to do with gender or animals.

   24. AKAnthony Kiedis17:10

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       Just bitchly-ness, selfishness-

   26. AKAnthony Kiedis17:13

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:13

       ... self-obsessed, self-centered, whiny...

   28. AKAnthony Kiedis17:16

       Weakness.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       Yeah. And, and what do I have to complain about?

   30. AKAnthony Kiedis17:20

       Right. None.
7. 18:13 – 21:57

   Meditation

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:13

      I do meditate at all, not enough-

   2. AKAnthony Kiedis18:16

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan18:17

      ... but I do, and I love it, and it's my go-to.

   4. AKAnthony Kiedis18:20

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:21

      And, uh, I believe in it.Rick Rubin actually shared the, the art of meditation with me when I was a kid, younger, early '90s. Um, he brought the TM Institute-

   6. AKAnthony Kiedis18:35

      Hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:35

      ... into his living room and offered the whole band an opportunity to learn. And we were so crass and obnoxious that we laughed through the entire lesson.

   8. AKAnthony Kiedis18:48

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:48

      This, you know, East Indian guy's up there with a chalkboard pointing at sound waves and different transcendental meditation concepts, and we're just laughing obtrusively. Can't stop. But it wasn't because we didn't feel it or understand it or believe in it. It was just the presentation itself. But it stuck, and we got our mantras, and we got our practice, and I did it religiously for a while, and then I put it down. But now, whenever I feel like the, the monkey mind-

   10. AKAnthony Kiedis19:24

       Hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       ... in a car, in a plane, in a train, in my bathtub, in a tiny little kids chair somewhere on the back porch, I'll take 10 minutes, 15 minutes, and it's profound.

   12. AKAnthony Kiedis19:37

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:37

       You?

   14. AKAnthony Kiedis19:38

       Yeah, I do. I do. Uh, I, I like to do it in different places. I do it, uh, a lot of times in the sauna. I like to do deep breathing exercises in the sauna so I'm kinda uncomfortable at the same time.

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:50

       Mm-hmm.

   16. AKAnthony Kiedis19:50

       And also, uh, like, I multitask. Kill two birds with one stone that way.

   17. JRJoe Rogan19:54

       Yeah.

   18. AKAnthony Kiedis19:54

       But it allows me to... Resetting, like, and just having time alone with your thoughts. Um, I have friends in show business that are never alone, and they're the most troubled, I, I find. Because they don't have space to just sit and just sort of put it all into perspective and bring yourself back to baseline and appreciate it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       Mm-hmm.

   20. AKAnthony Kiedis20:18

       And sometimes you just constantly... Look what I was talking about momentum. That's a real problem with people, is that you- you're doing things and things are happening and you keep going, and then the stresses of these things compile and pile on, and you never have a chance to step back and go, "Wow, what a wild ride I'm on. This is incredible. This is amazing. I should be so thankful and so appreciative." Instead, you're just so caught up. My agent said, "What?"

   21. JRJoe Rogan20:42

       Hmm.

   22. AKAnthony Kiedis20:42

       "And what am I doing? Why do we have to be there then and dah, dah, dah." You have to shoo, bring it back to baseline, appreciate where you're at and say, "Wow, how lucky. How lucky, how lucky just to be a human in 2022. What a great time. We don't die of cholera." (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan20:57

       (laughs)

   24. AKAnthony Kiedis20:57

       What a, what a, what a great time with all the medicine and fucking technology and, and all the... You know, there's a- obviously there's downsides to all that stuff too, but pretty fucking good time to be alive. What a great roll of the dice to be here, and to be an American in th- in this, this place where you can... You're free to pursue your go... You don't have to wear a head scarf. You're not, you're not, well, like, in a religious, uh, autocrat society where you're told what to do. W- which happens in 2022. You're, so you're in this place, as imperfect as it is, which p- provides you with an immense amount of freedom. We're fu- fucking so fortunate. So fortunate.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:34

       We're fortunate at this very moment.

   26. AKAnthony Kiedis21:35

       Yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       However, Steve Van Zandt is required to wear a head scarf.

   28. AKAnthony Kiedis21:39

       Oh, he has to.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:40

       Yeah.

   30. AKAnthony Kiedis21:40

       Yeah.
8. 21:57 – 26:41

   Henry Rollins

   1. AKAnthony Kiedis21:57

   2. JRJoe Rogan21:57

      He did great. I think it was very custom for his-

   3. AKAnthony Kiedis22:00

      Oh, yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan22:00

      ... sensibility. And he's a good musician. I respect him as a musician, no doubt. Not that he cares. But he's an even better musical historian.

   5. AKAnthony Kiedis22:11

      Is he?

   6. JRJoe Rogan22:12

      His radio show, Underground Garage?

   7. AKAnthony Kiedis22:14

      Oh, that's right. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan22:15

      Oh my God.

   9. AKAnthony Kiedis22:16

      I've heard some amazing-

   10. JRJoe Rogan22:17

       He breaks it down. The players, the people, the producers, the eras, the cities.

   11. AKAnthony Kiedis22:23

       Hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       The, the what led to what led to what. He's good.

   13. AKAnthony Kiedis22:28

       I really appreciate musicians that have a deep appreciation for the history of music and, and other... Like, you know who's great about that? Henry Rollins.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       Hmm.

   15. AKAnthony Kiedis22:37

       That motherfucker loves music so much. He has this incredible stereo system in his house, this amazing, like, collection of records. And, you know, he has a radio show as well. I'm not sure if he's still doing it. But when I had him on the podcast to talk to him about his love of music and love of collecting records and everything.

   16. JRJoe Rogan22:56

       Mm-hmm.

   17. AKAnthony Kiedis22:56

       Like, the- just the fucking excitement in his voice and his- the passion in his eyes, the way he describes these things. It's so infectious.

   18. JRJoe Rogan23:03

       It's infectious. It's also a beautiful subject, historical subject to-

   19. AKAnthony Kiedis23:08

       Hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan23:08

       ... spend your life studying.

   21. AKAnthony Kiedis23:10

       Well. Well, you're in it, right? You are a musician. But to someone observing it from the outside, like myself, it's one of the more fascinating aspects of human culture, is that people create sounds and th- you- that you, you create them with lyrics and you put it together in this way that literally acts as a drug.

   22. JRJoe Rogan23:34

       Mm-hmm.

   23. AKAnthony Kiedis23:34

       Like, it makes people feel good.

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:37

       That's why-

   25. AKAnthony Kiedis23:38

       You know, there's something about that. There's something about it. When the music... Like, when a song comes on that you haven't heard in a long time, you know, like Midnight Rider, like the Allman Brothers. Like the begin-

   26. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       (laughs)

   27. AKAnthony Kiedis23:51

       ... doo, doo, doom, doom, da, doom. You're like, "Holy shit. That fucking song." Like, "Whoo!" You get-

   28. JRJoe Rogan23:57

       Hmm.

   29. AKAnthony Kiedis23:57

       It's a drug.

   30. JRJoe Rogan23:58

       Yes. It-
9. 26:41 – 29:10

   Hate on Art

   1. AKAnthony Kiedis26:41

   2. JRJoe Rogan26:41

      It was great. It took me so long to realize how good he was. Part of my, my fuel as a teenager and young 20s was just hate of other people's art. Like, "Ah."

   3. AKAnthony Kiedis26:54

      Hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan26:55

      "We'll show you. We'll make something different and better."

   5. AKAnthony Kiedis26:58

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan26:58

      Which is positive. It has to happen. You have to rebel against that which has come before you at a certain point.

   7. AKAnthony Kiedis27:05

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan27:05

      But as I got older, I realized this man is the real deal, as was Little Richard-

   9. AKAnthony Kiedis27:12

      Oh, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan27:12

       ... as were The Everly Brothers, as were all the boys that led up to Elvis.

   11. AKAnthony Kiedis27:16

       Sure.

   12. JRJoe Rogan27:16

       (clears throat) Flea and I went to Graceland in the early '80s. We were on tour. We were in a van. We hadn't slept on a bed for months. We, all we had was the leather jackets on our back and nothing else. But we were like in Memphis playing a show, you know, probably in a barn or something. And we're like, "Didn't Elvis have a house here? Can't we go, like, go walk through his house?" So we went to Graceland when it was not, uh, commercialized. It was a very small little tour. You could walk right through the house into his cars, the garage. There were no restrictions. And I went in there and I was so obnoxious-

   13. AKAnthony Kiedis27:59

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan27:59

       ... and so horrible 'cause all these people were just in awe of every little element of Elvis's life. I was like, "Isn't this where he took a shit on the toilet and, like, OD'd on pills and..." 'Cause I was just a little idiotic punk rocker-

   15. AKAnthony Kiedis28:15

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan28:15

       ... who had no broader sense of greatness and how people might be relating to this guy.

   17. AKAnthony Kiedis28:22

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan28:23

       It's just a, a stupid little memory I feel embarrassed about, but that's who I was at the time.

   19. AKAnthony Kiedis28:30

       Well, that's so normal for young artists to hate on art that they think is uncool or commercial or derivative.

   20. JRJoe Rogan28:40

       Mm-hmm.

   21. AKAnthony Kiedis28:41

       Like that was the knock on Elvis. He was d- derivative of Black culture. But what's he gonna do? That's what he likes. You know, he's like, uh, he's affected and influenced by those people and he's creating his own music. Like what is he supposed to do? Not do it? Obviously people loved it. It was amazing.

   22. JRJoe Rogan28:57

       You-

   23. AKAnthony Kiedis28:57

       I mean, uh, but I, I get the resentment from those artists. I understand that. But it's just there's a thing from young people coming up where you just wanna, you wanna hate on the things that you think are uncool,

10. 29:10 – 31:28

    Cultural Appropriation

    1. AKAnthony Kiedis29:10

       you know?

    2. JRJoe Rogan29:10

       We, we made a, a career out of that for a couple of years.

    3. AKAnthony Kiedis29:14

       (laughs)

    4. JRJoe Rogan29:15

       Um, but as far as, like, borrowing and using culture that you love, which I, you know, can be construed as appropriation, I'm all for it. I want to be appropriated and I think that's what culture is for.

    5. AKAnthony Kiedis29:32

       Yes.

    6. JRJoe Rogan29:33

       Enjoying, and loving, and learning, and taking, and assimilating.

    7. AKAnthony Kiedis29:37

       Yeah. It should be that.

    8. JRJoe Rogan29:39

       We, we went to a... Yeah, it should be that. I wanna dress like you 'cause you look great.

    9. AKAnthony Kiedis29:43

       I mean, it should be that with art, with food, with everything, with architecture.

    10. JRJoe Rogan29:47

        Yeah, appropriate on.

    11. AKAnthony Kiedis29:48

        Yeah. I mean, that's, that's... Literally we are, are building on the backs of the people that came before us. All of us are in everything we do. In the way we talk, in literature, in everything. We, we build upon the people that came before. And this just, this idea of cultural appropriation being a negative thing, to me, is preposterous. Like it's, it's a respect. There's no... You don't culturally appropriate things that you don't love.

    12. JRJoe Rogan30:16

        (laughs) It's a love.

    13. AKAnthony Kiedis30:17

        You love those things, you know?

    14. JRJoe Rogan30:19

        Yes.

    15. AKAnthony Kiedis30:19

        If you're cooking Mexican food and you happen to be Dutch-

    16. JRJoe Rogan30:22

        (laughs)

    17. AKAnthony Kiedis30:22

        ... like who gives a shit, man? It's...

    18. JRJoe Rogan30:23

        That's not gonna be good Mexican, but yes, who gives a shit?

    19. AKAnthony Kiedis30:25

        It might be.

    20. JRJoe Rogan30:26

        Hmm.

    21. AKAnthony Kiedis30:27

        Who's that guy? Rick Bayless?... Skip Bayless's brother.

    22. JRJoe Rogan30:31

        What?

    23. AKAnthony Kiedis30:31

        Right? Skip Bayless's brother. Rick Bayless is like one of the premier Mexican food chefs in the world. And he's an American. And people shit on him because this guy has, like, this deep love of Mexican cuisine. It's very infectious.

    24. JRJoe Rogan30:48

        (laughs) Don't shit on him, please.

    25. AKAnthony Kiedis30:49

        He makes all... I mean, not physically. He makes all these videos and he talks about... I mean, he's like famous. He's got a restaurant in Chicago that's like this famous Mexican restaurant. This is the guy. But this guy, he's like super into Mexican food. Is that his, uh, Instagram?

    26. JRJoe Rogan31:04

        Yeah.

    27. AKAnthony Kiedis31:04

        Rick_Bayless.

    28. JRJoe Rogan31:07

        Mexican food.

    29. AKAnthony Kiedis31:07

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan31:07

        So it's really all about the burrito. Can he make a good burrito?
11. 31:28 – 34:29

    Playing on a Native American Reservation

    1. AKAnthony Kiedis31:28

    2. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       No, I love appropriating.

    3. AKAnthony Kiedis31:29

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan31:29

       I've, I've, I've been doing it my whole life and I love it. I'll never stop. We went to a, a Native American reservation Wednesday, last Wednesday, to play a show. And about nine months ago, we were putting out all this music and Flea had been to a, a pow-wow. And he was like, "The dancing blew me away. They're so dedicated. They're so beautiful, so artful." He's like, "We gotta get to a reservation and play music." I was like, "Great idea. Let's do it." So it finally came to pass last Wednesday, and, uh, somehow we chose the Hoopa Tribe in Northern California, in Hoopa Valley, California. And we arrive and it's a school gymnasium and it's a free concert and all of our equipment is there, and it's just cool people. They're very poor and very isolated, and we just wanted to go rock out for them. But the first thing they did was give us all this cool stuff that they made, which is Native American gear.

    5. AKAnthony Kiedis32:38

       Mm-hmm.

    6. JRJoe Rogan32:38

       And they wanted us to wear it. They're not worried about appropriation. We could sing songs all day long about our take, like my band, on their experience. They love it. If we get it right, if we get it wrong, they just love that we care.

    7. AKAnthony Kiedis32:52

       Hmm.

    8. JRJoe Rogan32:53

       And it was the best show of the year for us, 'cause nobody paid. It was kids in a school gymnasium in the middle of nowhere. Surreal. They didn't believe we were coming.

    9. AKAnthony Kiedis33:05

       (laughs)

    10. JRJoe Rogan33:05

        They were like, "We don't believe it."

    11. AKAnthony Kiedis33:07

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan33:07

        "Why? Why us?" We're like, "Uh, we chose you. Let's just have fun."

    13. AKAnthony Kiedis33:12

        That's amazing.

    14. JRJoe Rogan33:13

        But they, they definitely defied the concept of appropriation, like right off the bat. "Here's our stuff. Please, please wear it."

    15. AKAnthony Kiedis33:22

        Well, I think that's, that's great. Like, they loved the fact that you appreciated their culture.

    16. JRJoe Rogan33:28

        We love the culture. We love it. And, you know, people are people. Um, I don't care what class you come from, what race you come from, what gender you come from. People are people. You're gonna be assholes and you're gonna be amazing people. Just people are people.

    17. AKAnthony Kiedis33:45

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan33:46

        Yeah.

    19. AKAnthony Kiedis33:47

        Yeah, and the variables, the v- the differences. That's one of the cooler things.

    20. JRJoe Rogan33:51

        Of course.

    21. AKAnthony Kiedis33:52

        Yeah, I mean, w- I don't want everybody to assimilate-

    22. JRJoe Rogan33:54

        (laughs)

    23. AKAnthony Kiedis33:54

        ... and become one thing, but I, I do love the fact there are so many vari- there's so much variety of types of cultures. There's so much-

    24. JRJoe Rogan34:03

        Thank God.

    25. AKAnthony Kiedis34:04

        ... dif- Thank God. It's one of the cooler things about humans. There's so much different wa- there's so many different ways to live life.

    26. JRJoe Rogan34:12

        It's one of the cooler things about the USA.

    27. AKAnthony Kiedis34:14

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan34:15

        That, that was our secret weapon to being-

    29. AKAnthony Kiedis34:17

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan34:17

        ... a culturally interesting place-
12. 34:29 – 36:41

    Texas BBQ

    1. AKAnthony Kiedis34:29

       form.

    2. JRJoe Rogan34:29

       Yes, because we have the great confluence of everybody.

    3. AKAnthony Kiedis34:33

       Mm-hmm. Everybody together.

    4. JRJoe Rogan34:35

       Everybody.

    5. AKAnthony Kiedis34:35

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan34:37

       I, I love all these other countries we visit on tour, but it's one flavor. It's primarily one flavor. And then you get here and it's the appropriated, assimilated melting pot.

    7. AKAnthony Kiedis34:49

       Yeah, it really is. It's a wild place to be. We're very fortunate in that regard. I mean, even Texas barbecue.

    8. JRJoe Rogan34:57

       (laughs)

    9. AKAnthony Kiedis34:57

       Texas barbecue comes from Germany.

    10. JRJoe Rogan35:00

        What?

    11. AKAnthony Kiedis35:00

        Yeah. It's Germans.

    12. JRJoe Rogan35:02

        Okay.

    13. AKAnthony Kiedis35:02

        Ger- the Germans that moved to this part of Texas, they, uh, smoked their meats and they, they, uh, they changed it a little bit and adapted it and it ultimately became Texas barbecue. But like Texas barbecue, like brisket.

    14. JRJoe Rogan35:16

        Mm-hmm.

    15. AKAnthony Kiedis35:17

        Like, brisket is a cheap cut of meat. Brisket was for poor people. And so, you know, everybody... The expensive cuts of meat, so like T-bones and rib eyes, right?

    16. JRJoe Rogan35:25

        Mm-hmm.

    17. AKAnthony Kiedis35:26

        Well, brisket, they had to figure out how to cook it and make it edible. And 'cause it's a tough... You know, brisket is like the, the, the below the ribcage, like chest area. It's like a tough-

    18. JRJoe Rogan35:39

        Mm-hmm.

    19. AKAnthony Kiedis35:40

        ... like kind of r- you know, like bristly v- not that much fat in it. And so they figured out cooking it slowly over low heat and doing it with smoke.

    20. JRJoe Rogan35:51

        Mm-hmm.

    21. AKAnthony Kiedis35:51

        And that's how they created Texas brisket, which is now like the preferred meat. You go to a barbecue, everybody wants the brisket.

    22. JRJoe Rogan35:58

        I got introduced to brisket through the Jewish community.

    23. AKAnthony Kiedis36:01

        Ah, so they love it too. Yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan36:02

        I always, I always thought it was Jewish. I didn't even realize it was a German-

    25. AKAnthony Kiedis36:06

        German.

    26. JRJoe Rogan36:06

        ... Texas barbecue thing.

    27. AKAnthony Kiedis36:08

        Yeah. Well, I mean, that's different chains of it, right? That's what's interesting. Like corned beef and, you know, like, uh, pastrami. Very Jewish, right?

    28. JRJoe Rogan36:17

        (laughs) Yes.

    29. AKAnthony Kiedis36:17

        And that's their, their way of cooking that food. You know, and, uh, if you go to, uh, Montreal, they, they have s- they call it smoked meat. You know, and you get, uh, like smoked meat sandwiches and it's basically like pastrami and corned beef, and they have their version of it up there. It's delicious.

    30. JRJoe Rogan36:35

        Have you considered starting a...... a, a wild animal barbecue

13. 36:41 – 38:55

    Texas Wild Game

    1. JRJoe Rogan36:41

       establishment?

    2. AKAnthony Kiedis36:42

       Y- it's so funny that you say that, 'cause I actually have. I actually talked to, uh, my friend, Phillip Franklin Lee, who's a, uh, he's a, a Michelin star chef who, uh, he started the, um, this place, uh, Sushi Bar ATX and now he runs, uh, Sushi By Scratch, which is literally the most amazing sushi I've ever had in my life.

    3. JRJoe Rogan37:02

       Hmm.

    4. AKAnthony Kiedis37:02

       And, uh, he's got a new burger place out here that he just opened. What is it called? Not A Chance Burgers? Is that what it's called?

    5. JRJoe Rogan37:09

       Not A Damn Chance, yeah.

    6. AKAnthony Kiedis37:09

       Not A Damn Chance Burgers.

    7. JRJoe Rogan37:11

       Hmm.

    8. AKAnthony Kiedis37:11

       Fantastic chef, and he and I actually talked about that 'cause one of the things about Texas, as opposed to, um, most other states is that you can actually sell wild game here, because, um, w- wild game that's not indigenous to Texas, uh, they have a lot of, um, introduced species. Like, there's i- an insane amount of animals that they've introduced into private ranches in Texas-

    9. JRJoe Rogan37:38

       Mm-hmm.

    10. AKAnthony Kiedis37:38

        ... that have come from Africa and India. And, like, animals that are, like, endangered in other countries are prevalent here.

    11. JRJoe Rogan37:46

        (inhales deeply)

    12. AKAnthony Kiedis37:46

        Like oryx, like a scimitar oryx, it's very endangered, I think... Where are they from? From India or Africa? They're very endangered wherever they're from. Here, they're common, y-

    13. JRJoe Rogan37:56

        Sounds like a deer.

    14. AKAnthony Kiedis37:57

        It's like a, it's an, like an antelope.

    15. JRJoe Rogan37:59

        Yeah.

    16. AKAnthony Kiedis38:00

        It's like, uh, they're, they're wild-looking creatures. Let's pull up a scimitar o- it's like, almost like a... It looks like it's kind of in the goat family or something. They're, they're crazy-looking things. Scimitar oryx.

    17. JRJoe Rogan38:13

        North Africa.

    18. AKAnthony Kiedis38:13

        Africa?

    19. JRJoe Rogan38:14

        North.

    20. AKAnthony Kiedis38:14

        Well, N- North Africa. L- look at that thing. That is a c- wild-looking animal, right?

    21. JRJoe Rogan38:20

        Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

    22. AKAnthony Kiedis38:21

        Well, in, uh, Texas, they're common.

    23. JRJoe Rogan38:23

        (laughs)

    24. AKAnthony Kiedis38:24

        A lot of people, a lot of people have 'em, but it, wherever the fuck, what part of North Africa they're from, there's more tigers in captivity in Texas-

    25. JRJoe Rogan38:32

        Mm-hmm.

    26. AKAnthony Kiedis38:32

        ... in private collections-

    27. JRJoe Rogan38:33

        How many?

    28. AKAnthony Kiedis38:34

        ... than there are in all of the wild of the world.

    29. JRJoe Rogan38:37

        What's that number?

    30. AKAnthony Kiedis38:37

        Thousands.
14. 38:55 – 40:58

    Japanese Samurai

    1. JRJoe Rogan38:55

    2. AKAnthony Kiedis38:55

       ... samurai from the 1400s-

    3. JRJoe Rogan38:57

       Yeah.

    4. AKAnthony Kiedis38:57

       ... who, uh, defeated 62 men in one-on-one combat, and he wrote a book on strategy that I read when I was a teenager-

    5. JRJoe Rogan39:07

       (laughs)

    6. AKAnthony Kiedis39:07

       ... when I was doing martial arts competitions.

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:09

       Cool.

    8. AKAnthony Kiedis39:09

       It's called The Book of Five Rings, and it sort of shaped my philosophy in many ways of, on life-

    9. JRJoe Rogan39:16

       Mm-hmm.

    10. AKAnthony Kiedis39:16

        ... because as a samurai, he believed that to be the best sword fighter, you had to be balanced. You had to do calligraphy and poetry-

    11. JRJoe Rogan39:27

        Mm-hmm.

    12. AKAnthony Kiedis39:27

        ... and art, and you had, you couldn't have any, like, holes in your game, your mental game, your spiritual game, and you...

    13. JRJoe Rogan39:34

        I like that.

    14. AKAnthony Kiedis39:35

        And he had a statement that, he had a thing that he wrote that carried me throughout my whole life. It's, "Once you understand the way broadly, you can see it in all things." And the idea is the way of sword fighting was much like the way of carpentry, was much like the way of art. You see what the way is. It's like, get out of your own way-

    15. JRJoe Rogan39:58

        Mm-hmm.

    16. AKAnthony Kiedis39:58

        ... and see the path to greatness, see the path to creation, and that you can find it in all things. So once you see it, once you truly understand it, you're not bullshitting yourself, you're not filled with ego, you're not filled with false bravado and fake confidence, get out of that. Once you see the path, you'll see it in everything. It's like you-

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:18

        Love it.

    18. AKAnthony Kiedis40:18

        ... see a pattern, and that pattern is of creation, and of, and, uh, I think you recognize that. It's one of the things that I love about great things. When I see something great, whether it's g- great piano playing or someone who's great at chess or someone's gr-... I love seeing the path.

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:35

        Mm-hmm.

    20. AKAnthony Kiedis40:36

        And seeing someone who just, like, finds the thing to express whatever the energy inside of them is.

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:43

        You do have to get out of your own way.

    22. AKAnthony Kiedis40:44

        Gotta get outta your own way.

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:45

        You really do.

    24. AKAnthony Kiedis40:46

        And people that don't get out of their own way, it's so sad. Like, I have friends that don't get out of their own way. I'm like, "Oh, I wish I could tell you how to do that."

    25. JRJoe Rogan40:54

        Did I see your man in the lobby? The Book of Five Rings chap?

15. 40:58 – 44:47

    Greg Overton

    1. JRJoe Rogan40:58

    2. AKAnthony Kiedis40:58

       Um, oh, the-

    3. JRJoe Rogan41:00

       Is he, is he pictured?

    4. AKAnthony Kiedis41:00

       The armor?

    5. JRJoe Rogan41:01

       Uh, it's a-

    6. AKAnthony Kiedis41:02

       There's a, there's a, there's a painting, a Greg Overton samurai painting-

    7. JRJoe Rogan41:05

       Yeah.

    8. AKAnthony Kiedis41:05

       ... but it's not necessarily Musashi.

    9. JRJoe Rogan41:07

       Oh, okay.

    10. AKAnthony Kiedis41:07

        This is, (zipper unzips) this is Musashi. That's him.

    11. JRJoe Rogan41:14

        Okay.

    12. AKAnthony Kiedis41:16

        That's him with the tiger.

    13. JRJoe Rogan41:17

        Yeah. Did he study animals?

    14. AKAnthony Kiedis41:20

        No, it's just, I just-

    15. JRJoe Rogan41:21

        To figure out there-

    16. AKAnthony Kiedis41:22

        My, uh, my buddy, Aaron DellaDova, who's the, uh, tattoo artist that did that, he came up with this design just like...

    17. JRJoe Rogan41:29

        It's nice to have a tiger.

    18. AKAnthony Kiedis41:30

        Yeah. Tigers are always cool.

    19. JRJoe Rogan41:33

        (laughs)

    20. AKAnthony Kiedis41:33

        But anyway, Texas has-

    21. JRJoe Rogan41:34

        So circling back.

    22. AKAnthony Kiedis41:35

        You can get wild game here-

    23. JRJoe Rogan41:37

        Yeah.

    24. AKAnthony Kiedis41:37

        ... and you could sell it. So there's a lot of restaurants here. There's, like, a great place called The Lonesome Dove here in Austin and, uh, Lonesome Dove actually serves wild game, Texas wild game. They serve, like, uh, they have, like, rattlesnake sausage.

    25. JRJoe Rogan41:50

        Mm-hmm.

    26. AKAnthony Kiedis41:51

        And, um-

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:52

        I would eat that.

    28. AKAnthony Kiedis41:53

        Nihal guy, which is, uh, an Indian animal. It's really cool-looking. Have you ever seen a Nihal guy?

    29. JRJoe Rogan41:58

        Mm-mm.

    30. AKAnthony Kiedis41:59

        Oh. Show that. I'm actually going hunting for one of these things in the, with the television show Meat Eater in December, but, uh, a Nihal guy is this enormous, like, 700-pound crazy antelope-looking thing. Look at that. That's a Nihal guy.
16. 44:47 – 46:57

    Regenerative Agriculture

    1. JRJoe Rogan44:47

    2. AKAnthony Kiedis44:47

       Well, it's the most nutrient-dense food on earth. If you get wild game, it's, it has the most protein, the most vitamins. When you, we're talking about like a piece of elk meat, if you look at it, it's a deep red color.

    3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

       Very red.

    4. AKAnthony Kiedis45:03

       And it's just rich with protein and amino acids. It's fantastic for you.

    5. JRJoe Rogan45:08

       Yeah.

    6. AKAnthony Kiedis45:09

       You know, and I, I mean, and I know a lot of people ethically, they don't like the idea of eating animals. I understand it. I, I get where you're coming from.

    7. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       Yeah, I understand that too. I love animals.

    8. AKAnthony Kiedis45:18

       Yeah, I do too.

    9. JRJoe Rogan45:18

       Those, that's who I relate to.

    10. AKAnthony Kiedis45:20

        The thing about animals is, they don't live forever, and the way they die in the wild is horrific in comparison to the way I get them. The, the way they die without me is way worse, and they're not gonna live forever.

    11. JRJoe Rogan45:33

        Nope.

    12. AKAnthony Kiedis45:34

        They, they have, if they're lucky, they get to 10, 11, 12. Crazy if they get to 12.

    13. JRJoe Rogan45:39

        Mm-hmm.

    14. AKAnthony Kiedis45:40

        And most of the time, they're getting t- torn apart by animals, or they freeze to death.

    15. JRJoe Rogan45:46

        And the farm world is no bueno.

    16. AKAnthony Kiedis45:48

        No bueno.

    17. JRJoe Rogan45:48

        No, it's not good for us, not good for them.

    18. AKAnthony Kiedis45:50

        No, except regenerative agriculture. When people are doing it correctly and they're allowing these animals to roam free on grass-fed farms-

    19. JRJoe Rogan45:58

        Mm-hmm.

    20. AKAnthony Kiedis45:59

        ... and, you know, there's, there's ways that people do it. Like, there's a guy named Joel Salatin, who's got this, uh, place called, uh, Polyface Farms, and he is, uh, an expert and a proponent of regenerative agriculture, where the manure from the cows is the, is the fertilizer for the plants.

    21. JRJoe Rogan46:17

        Mm-hmm.

    22. AKAnthony Kiedis46:18

        And the pigs, they roam free, and they, they chew up the ground to get roots, and then the chickens come along, and it's like all these animals, they have this symbiotic relationship with the Earth-

    23. JRJoe Rogan46:29

        Mm-hmm.

    24. AKAnthony Kiedis46:29

        ... and that it's, it's actually carbon neutral when it's done correctly.

    25. JRJoe Rogan46:33

        Well done.

    26. AKAnthony Kiedis46:34

        The, the real question is, though, and this is what I, I've asked a lot of people this, and I can't really get a square answer. It's like, is that sustainable for enormous populations? It doesn't seem like it is.

    27. JRJoe Rogan46:46

        I think nature has a way of creating sustainability. And if you study nature, which that sounds closer to-

    28. AKAnthony Kiedis46:52

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan46:52

        ... it might be more sustainable than we think. Population is

17. 46:57 – 48:04

    Unnatural Cities

    1. JRJoe Rogan46:57

       a, is a beast.

    2. AKAnthony Kiedis46:58

       Population's a beast. That's the, the issue is, what's unnatural is a city. When you can jam 20 million people into an area that's not growing anything other than weed.

    3. JRJoe Rogan47:07

       Hmm.

    4. AKAnthony Kiedis47:07

       It's kind of weird.

    5. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       (laughs)

    6. AKAnthony Kiedis47:09

       It's kind of weird. I mean, you're stuffing all these people into this area, as very, like Los Angeles, for example, very little water, you know, and everybody's like condensed, and they're all getting food from somewhere. Well, they're, they're not growing it.

    7. JRJoe Rogan47:20

       They're getting the weed too.

    8. AKAnthony Kiedis47:21

       Everything has to be shi- Yeah. Everything has to be shipped in, so you got all this, you know, the carbon that's coming from all the trucks-

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:27

       Yeah.

    10. AKAnthony Kiedis47:27

        ... that are shipping things in.

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:29

        My favorite is the wild boar.

    12. AKAnthony Kiedis47:31

        Mmm.

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:32

        I love it to pieces. And really, it comes down to, what are these animals eating? Because that, that's-

    14. AKAnthony Kiedis47:37

        Yes.

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:38

        ... what makes their composition.

    16. AKAnthony Kiedis47:39

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:40

        So, you look at a wild boar, like you said, they're eating roots and leaves and grubs and all this good stuff off the forest floor.

    18. AKAnthony Kiedis47:49

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:49

        And that's turning their meat into something beautiful.

    20. AKAnthony Kiedis47:52

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:53

        And I honor their life and I, and I respect the fact that I'm taking a life, but they don't live forever, and you're taking the body, you're not taking the spirit.

18. 48:04 – 49:51

    Wild Boars

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:04

    2. AKAnthony Kiedis48:04

       The thing about wild boar here in Texas, and in California as well, they have to shoot them, 'cause they're an invasive species. They brought them in, in, you know, when the, uh, Europeans came, like in, in the w- whatever year they brought them over to this country.

    3. JRJoe Rogan48:19

       Mm-hmm.

    4. AKAnthony Kiedis48:19

       And now, now they're everywhere. There's millions of them in Texas. And they, they literally have to hunt them. They have to, because there's no natural predators, or n- certainly not enough. I mean, there only natural predators really are mountain lions. And there's no way mountain lions can keep up with the way they breed. They, their, their gestation period is, I think, it's like three months, three weeks, and three days. So, they can, um, in a perfect world, they can have three cycles of gestation every year. So, they could have three litters a year.

    5. JRJoe Rogan48:52

       They're making babies.

    6. AKAnthony Kiedis48:53

       Yeah, it's crazy how many they make. And they just go, from the time they're six months old. When they're six months old, they can give birth.... which is crazy.

    7. JRJoe Rogan49:03

       A little young.

    8. AKAnthony Kiedis49:04

       And they're just shooting out piglets.

    9. JRJoe Rogan49:05

       Yep. Yep.

    10. AKAnthony Kiedis49:06

        And those little piglets are running around destroying crops, and there's no natural predators.

    11. JRJoe Rogan49:11

        Well, let me know when you start your wild game barbecue joint.

    12. AKAnthony Kiedis49:14

        All right, buddy.

    13. JRJoe Rogan49:14

        Please.

    14. AKAnthony Kiedis49:15

        I will. I wish... If you lived out here, man-

    15. JRJoe Rogan49:17

        (laughs)

    16. AKAnthony Kiedis49:17

        ... I'd supply you with food. I have a lot of meat. I, I hook up a lot of my friends with, uh, elk meat.

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:23

        It's surprisingly attainable. I got elk coming down the pike. I have a, a little, tiny Irish chef called Anya, and if I say any animal to her, like, "I'd like to try some alligator," she's like, on the phone getting the alligator-

    18. AKAnthony Kiedis49:38

        Ah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:38

        ... sent. It works.

    20. AKAnthony Kiedis49:40

        Nice.

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:41

        Yes.

    22. AKAnthony Kiedis49:41

        Yeah. I alligator hunted in Florida this year.

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:44

        You hunted?

    24. AKAnthony Kiedis49:45

        Yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan49:46

        (laughs)

    26. AKAnthony Kiedis49:46

        It's heavy.

    27. JRJoe Rogan49:47

        I respect it. I can't do it. I'm too much of a punk to be able to

19. 49:51 – 51:05

    Hunting

    1. JRJoe Rogan49:51

       do it.

    2. AKAnthony Kiedis49:51

       You're not a punk. You just don't want to do it. It's okay. I, I get it. I wouldn't want to do it either if I didn't... But I just... I was either going to become a vegan, or I was be- going to become a hunter.

    3. JRJoe Rogan50:03

       Hmm. Hmm.

    4. AKAnthony Kiedis50:03

       That was my... Those were my two paths.

    5. JRJoe Rogan50:05

       You should be able to kill the animal.

    6. AKAnthony Kiedis50:06

       Yeah. That's what I had... I had seen too many of those factory farming videos, and I was like, "Fuck all that." And, um, and my friend, Steve Rinella, from the show, Meat Eater, that I was talking to you about, he took me hunting, and I actually shot that deer right there. That's the first animal I ever shot. That, that skull on the table-

    7. JRJoe Rogan50:24

       Hmm.

    8. AKAnthony Kiedis50:24

       ... it's a mule deer-

    9. JRJoe Rogan50:25

       That's a mule.

    10. AKAnthony Kiedis50:25

        ... that we shot. Yeah. Well, it's a deer. It's called-

    11. JRJoe Rogan50:28

        Yeah.

    12. AKAnthony Kiedis50:28

        ... a mule deer.

    13. JRJoe Rogan50:28

        Yeah, y- mule deer.

    14. AKAnthony Kiedis50:29

        Um, and it's, uh, from Montana. We shot that, and, uh, I ate it, and I was like, "Okay, that makes sense. This makes sense." The experience is d- it's difficult to attain.

    15. JRJoe Rogan50:39

        Yeah.

    16. AKAnthony Kiedis50:39

        You have to work really hard for it. You're hiking in the mountains. You have to play the wind. You have to be smart, you know? There's a lot going on, and then the reward for it is, you know, a mule deer like that was like a 250-pound animal.

    17. JRJoe Rogan50:52

        Hmm.

    18. AKAnthony Kiedis50:52

        So I'm eating that for a couple months.

    19. JRJoe Rogan50:53

        You've got some freezers.

    20. AKAnthony Kiedis50:54

        Yeah, exactly.

    21. JRJoe Rogan50:56

        (laughs) No, I respect that, and I wish I had it in me to come face to face with the creature that I'm eating, that I'm taking. I just haven't found it yet.

20. 51:05 – 52:35

    Alligators

    1. JRJoe Rogan51:05

    2. AKAnthony Kiedis51:05

       You don't have to. You don't have to.

    3. JRJoe Rogan51:06

       Especially an alligator. I love those guys.

    4. AKAnthony Kiedis51:09

       I fucking hate those things.

    5. JRJoe Rogan51:10

       I love them.

    6. AKAnthony Kiedis51:11

       I hate those things, 'cause when I was a little kid, I used to live in Florida.

    7. JRJoe Rogan51:13

       (laughs)

    8. AKAnthony Kiedis51:13

       I lived in Gainesville, and there was a lady that, uh, lived in my neighborhood, and her dog got snatched. She was walking her dog, and this fucking alligator comes over and snatches her dog.

    9. JRJoe Rogan51:22

       There's no convenient market for the alligator.

    10. AKAnthony Kiedis51:25

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan51:25

        He's got, he's got to find his dog every day. We can walk into a shop. They cannot.

    12. AKAnthony Kiedis51:30

        That's true, but fuck them (laughs) .

    13. JRJoe Rogan51:33

        I love them.

    14. AKAnthony Kiedis51:33

        They eat kids, man. They eat everything.

    15. JRJoe Rogan51:36

        They should.

    16. AKAnthony Kiedis51:36

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan51:36

        They've been, they've been, they've been here 500 million years-

    18. AKAnthony Kiedis51:41

        They have.

    19. JRJoe Rogan51:41

        ... second only to the damn shark.

    20. AKAnthony Kiedis51:43

        They make good belts.

    21. JRJoe Rogan51:45

        I can't argue that, but-

    22. AKAnthony Kiedis51:46

        I buy alligator leather whenever I can. I don't like them.

    23. JRJoe Rogan51:50

        I like them. I love them.

    24. AKAnthony Kiedis51:51

        Really?

    25. JRJoe Rogan51:51

        And I love them-

    26. AKAnthony Kiedis51:52

        I find them to be-

    27. JRJoe Rogan51:52

        ... in my tacos, too.

    28. AKAnthony Kiedis51:53

        ... soulless, evil creatures-

    29. JRJoe Rogan51:55

        (laughs)

    30. AKAnthony Kiedis51:55

        ... that are killing machines.
21. 52:35 – 53:46

    Alligator Farm

    1. AKAnthony Kiedis52:35

       It's true.

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:35

       What do they gotta do?

    3. AKAnthony Kiedis52:36

       They... Yeah, they can't go to HEB and-

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:38

       They have to be clever.

    5. AKAnthony Kiedis52:39

       ... cruise the meat aisle.

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:40

       Yep.

    7. AKAnthony Kiedis52:40

       Yeah. It's true. That's true. I mean, I respect it. I get it.

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:44

       (laughs)

    9. AKAnthony Kiedis52:44

       I understand it, but also, fuck you (laughs) .

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:48

        Best alligator farm on earth. Not a farm. It's kind of a, a sanctuary. St. Augustine, Florida. Have you been there?

    11. AKAnthony Kiedis52:56

        Uh, I've been to St. Augustine, yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:58

        Oldest city in the United States of America.

    13. AKAnthony Kiedis53:00

        Is it really?

    14. JRJoe Rogan53:01

        The single oldest city.

    15. AKAnthony Kiedis53:02

        Is that where, like, Cabeza de Vaca landed or something?

    16. JRJoe Rogan53:04

        The Spanish landed there.

    17. AKAnthony Kiedis53:05

        Oh, wow.

    18. JRJoe Rogan53:07

        Yeah, found the-

    19. AKAnthony Kiedis53:07

        St. Augustine. That makes sense.

    20. JRJoe Rogan53:09

        It's a gorgeous town, and some weird animal dude, rich guy, philanthropist, something, has a sanctuary with something like 700 different breeds of alligators and crocodiles.

    21. AKAnthony Kiedis53:23

        I didn't know-

    22. JRJoe Rogan53:23

        All, all very well kept.

    23. AKAnthony Kiedis53:24

        ... there was that many breeds. Really?

    24. JRJoe Rogan53:26

        It's endless.

    25. AKAnthony Kiedis53:28

        Wow.

    26. JRJoe Rogan53:28

        From the biggest, to the tiniest, to the albinos, to the blue.

    27. AKAnthony Kiedis53:32

        Wow.

    28. JRJoe Rogan53:32

        Pretty fascinating.

    29. AKAnthony Kiedis53:33

        Blue?

    30. JRJoe Rogan53:35

        Blue hue.
22. 53:46 – 57:23

    Albino Elk

    1. AKAnthony Kiedis53:46

       The albino ones are.

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:48

       Yes.

    3. AKAnthony Kiedis53:48

       I saw an albino elk a couple of years ago. They, they, they're very rare, but it's occasional. It was a cow elk, female elk, and it was albino.

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:57

       Mm-hmm.

    5. AKAnthony Kiedis53:57

       It was really wild to see. It was like a ghost.

    6. JRJoe Rogan54:00

       That's like a spirit animal.

    7. AKAnthony Kiedis54:02

       Yeah, it was... And it was really fascinating, because I was hunting the males, so I wasn't interested in shooting her at all.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:08

       Right (laughs) .

    9. AKAnthony Kiedis54:09

       I just wanted to look at her. I was like, "Wow, look at that thing. It's white." Just a pure white elk.

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:14

        Rare.

    11. AKAnthony Kiedis54:15

        Oh, so rare. Very, very rare. They ha- uh, they have them in deer as well.

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:19

        And buffalo.

    13. AKAnthony Kiedis54:20

        Oh, they got white buffalo?

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:21

        White buffalo, very sacred to the natives of Dakotas.

    15. AKAnthony Kiedis54:24

        Didn't Ted Nugent have a song about that? Ted Nugent might've had a song about the white buffalo. Great White Buffalo.

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:31

        A song about him getting trampled by the buffalo?

    17. AKAnthony Kiedis54:33

        No, look at that. Look at that thing.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:34

        Yes.

    19. AKAnthony Kiedis54:34

        Whoa.

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:35

        Yes.

    21. AKAnthony Kiedis54:36

        God, that's beautiful.

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:38

        They... It snuck into our lyrics on this last record.

    23. AKAnthony Kiedis54:41

        Wow. What a fucking cool animal. By the way, that is some of the most nutritious meat on Earth.

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:47

        Buffalo. Not the-

    25. AKAnthony Kiedis54:47

        Oh, it's so good.

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:48

        Not necessarily the white, but just buffalo in general.

    27. AKAnthony Kiedis54:50

        No, not necessarily the white.

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:50

        Yeah.

    29. AKAnthony Kiedis54:51

        I w- I probably wouldn't shoot the white ones.

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:52

        Nope. Nope.
23. 57:23 – 1:21:22

    Orcas

    1. JRJoe Rogan57:23

       company.

    2. AKAnthony Kiedis57:23

       Wow. My friend, Peter Atia, he's a, a doctor. He told me that orcas, the sounds that they make and the, the sounds that, that... Their ability to detect sounds, like the frequency that they can project is similar to ultrasound.

    3. JRJoe Rogan57:44

       Mm-hmm.

    4. AKAnthony Kiedis57:45

       Like, you know how use, they use ultrasound-

    5. JRJoe Rogan57:47

       Yeah.

    6. AKAnthony Kiedis57:47

       ... to detect an injury and they rub a-

    7. JRJoe Rogan57:49

       They can see through you.

    8. AKAnthony Kiedis57:50

       They can see through you. Literally can see through you through the ocean. He goes, "It's mind-boggling." Like, we don't even understand, like, what's going on in them. And when you see, like, an orca's brain in comparison to a human brain.

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:03

       Hmm.

    10. AKAnthony Kiedis58:03

        Like, they've, um, they've done... And, uh, dolphins as well. Like, dolphins, their cerebral cortex is like 40% larger than a human being's. So like s- massive brains, where dolphins can have one... And a orca is basically a dolphin. It's like the cousin of a dolphin.

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:17

        Dolphin family.

    12. AKAnthony Kiedis58:18

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:18

        Dolphin family, yeah.

    14. AKAnthony Kiedis58:19

        They can... They shut one half of their brain down when they go to sleep.

    15. JRJoe Rogan58:24

        Beautiful.

    16. AKAnthony Kiedis58:24

        So one half is always awake to look out for danger and problems. So that's how they sleep. They don't sleep like us. They sleep, like one half shuts off.

    17. JRJoe Rogan58:35

        Orcas, my guy.

    18. AKAnthony Kiedis58:36

        They're amazing, man.

    19. JRJoe Rogan58:37

        That, that's what's on my back.

    20. AKAnthony Kiedis58:38

        Oh, really?

    21. JRJoe Rogan58:39

        Yes. Yeah.

    22. AKAnthony Kiedis58:41

        Only killed people in captivity.

    23. JRJoe Rogan58:43

        As, as long we're showing ink.

    24. AKAnthony Kiedis58:46

        Machine. Oh, yeah.

    25. JRJoe Rogan58:47

        So that face in the middle is the, the Haida interpretation of the orca.

    26. AKAnthony Kiedis58:53

        Uh-huh.

    27. JRJoe Rogan58:55

        Yeah, they don't kill people.

    28. AKAnthony Kiedis58:56

        Only in captivity, when they're getting fucking-

    29. JRJoe Rogan58:58

        Which is fair game.

    30. AKAnthony Kiedis58:59

        Fuck yeah it's fair game.

Episode duration: 2:53:13