Joe Rogan Experience #1889 - Dr. Phil

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   1. NANarrator0:00

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   2. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

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      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) All right, we're up and running.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      What do you got there? Got detailed notes?

   5. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:19

      Well, I've got some statistics I might talk about, I don't know. Maybe I will, maybe I won't.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      You're a voice of reason. How do we fix this world?

   7. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:26

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      We're in a mess. This is, this is a weird time to be alive, isn't it?

   9. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:31

      Yeah, it's getting weirder too.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       (laughs)

   11. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:34

       I mean, it is getting weirder, don't you think?

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       It is. Oh, certainly Well, it's, it's highlighted on your show. You know, you, you've kind of, uh, exposed a lot of it to America.

   13. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:45

       Uh, y- you know, every year, uh, in the, in the summer, we kind of work to reinvent ourselves, uh, about how we can tell our stories better and all that sort of thing. And we really focus on what our viewers are asking about and I have to tell you, this year the questions really changed-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       Yeah.

   15. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:04

       ... 'cause, you know, it's, we still deal with human functioning, you know, marriage and family and all that. But in addition to that, the questions we got over the summer this year started really changing like, "Are we gonna make it? Ar- are we gonna survive? W- what... Are we safe? Are our kids safe? Um, are they safe in school? What are they being taught in school? Should we be going down there and seeing what they're teaching em? Are we... What's happening a- as far as values in this country?" I mean, people started asking different questions and so I changed everything. I, you know, I used to have that studio audience out in the bleachers out there. I moved everybody on stage and we're just having a focus group every day. Like 110 people up there in a focus group and letting them talk and ask questions 'cause they're really concerned and I, I, I, I just said, "I can't take it anymore. I'm gonna start talking about the social issues along with everything else." Because if you, if you even took psychology in k- in high school, or you took Psych 101, one of the first fundamental principles you learned was you don't reward bad behavior, right?

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:25

       Right.

   17. PMDr. Phil McGraw2:25

       You don't reward bad behavior. I mean, the world is a meritocracy and we've somehow lost that. We, all the sudden we're paying people not to work more than they get if they work. And then we say, "What happened to the supply chain?" Well, you s- paid everybody not to work. That's what happened to the supply chain and I, I'm stunned that we're running this country in so many areas where we're just violating the most fundamental psychological principles that you could ever imagine and I'm watching that happen and I say, "I just can't be silent about this anymore." So I'm talking about it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       What do you think is the root cause of this shift?

   19. PMDr. Phil McGraw3:16

       Uh, uh, I think it's been happening gradually but like everything, you know, it's like if you start rolling a rock downhill, it starts getting faster and faster and faster and I, I think it's happened for a lot of reasons. But I think we've got a whole generation of kids that are really smart, by the way. These kids are smart, but I think they've started living on their devices. It's kind of like along about 2007 or '08, like, e- it seems like airplanes flew over the country and just started dropping smartphones and everybody's head went from here to here. I mean, think about it. When you, when you look, go anywhere, go to the mall, go just anywhere there's a group and what do you see in their hands? You see a device. We didn't grow up with devices. When I started Dr. Phil 21 years ago, the first text hadn't been sent. There were no social media platforms. None of that stuff was going on. Technology's great. I'm not... L- listen, I love technology. Um, but we've got generations that started living virtually. They're watching people live their lives instead of living their own lives and that changed the metrics on everything. Think about that. TikTok, Instagram, all of this, you're watching other people live their lives instead of living your own and that changed everything.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       That seems like one factor, but that wouldn't explain this abandonment of meritocracy.

   21. PMDr. Phil McGraw5:01

       Well, that is just one factor. That you're exactly right. But there's something else that I think has come along with it and we've got a generation of what I call concierge parents that are running interference for their kids and, look, the way you learn about yourself, the way you make attributions to yourself about yourself is the same way you make attributions about other people. You have people that you have opinions of, right? You, you know. You, you got people, friends or staff that you watch what they do and you say, "He or she is a go-to person. I know what they do. I can count on them. They're gonna be there every time. They're gonna show up on time. They're gonna get everything ready. They're gonna be buttoned up." They're like clockwork, right? And you attribute that to them because you watch what they do.If they're problem solvers, you know, hey, go get Becky in here. Go, go get Jeff in here. They are problem solvers. You know that because you've watched them do it and you make that attribution to them. That's the same way we learn about ourselves. You, you watch ourselves master certain tasks, overcome certain things, and if we're cheated out of that experience, we don't learn that about ourselves. And if you've got parents that are out there smoothing out all the bumps for you, then you don't learn that you can smooth out your own bumps. You don't learn that you can overcome obstacles. You don't learn that you can master your environment. And so as a result, you don't have the self-esteem, you don't have the self-worth, you don't make the attributions that, "Hey, I can do this shit." And when you don't believe you can do this shit, then you start saying, "Well, I, I don't want a meritocracy. I want everybody to just kind of go along the same." And so we started seeing in the universities, you start seeing kids that are complaining that something the professor said hurt their feelings, it upset them. So they start going to the dean, they start going to, uh, the department head and saying, "That professor said things that upset me." And we've had more professors disciplined, suspended, or dismissed i- in the last 10 or 15 years than we've had since McCarthyism, because kids are going in there and saying, "It, it, it hurt my feelings."

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:48

       Yeah.

   23. PMDr. Phil McGraw7:49

       "He offended me and said things that were offensive." And, and so they complained about it and they get listened to, and so the professors... And, you know, some of them are assholes, I'm sure.

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:04

       Sure.

   25. PMDr. Phil McGraw8:04

       Some of them are offensive by any standard. But it's out of control. And these kids are sensitive t- to the point when, when I was in college, w- when it- campuses were where you went to hear the other side, right? That's how you rounded things out. If there was a speaker coming that was totally on the other side than you were on anything, science or whatever, you went to listen to them because you thought, "I'm gonna learn how to shoot this full of holes." Now, anywhere from 15% to 30% of students think it's okay to shout down somebody you disagree with, to protest and run them off campus. You don't listen to them, you get rid of them, you don't want to hear it, you don't want to see it, you don't want to have anything to do with it. They protest and yell them down. What's that about? Th- they don't want to hear it, and, and I think that we're coddling this whole generation. And when they get out of school and get into the world where that's not gonna happen, they're gonna be competitive, uh, we're gonna have a real problem. Because in a, in a global economy, w- we're gonna fall behind, and we are behind right now. People say, "Well, we lead the world in math and science and reading." No, we don't. We don't lead it. Um, I, I wrote down where we are, uh, but we're not anywhere near the top. Um, we're 13th in reading, we're 18th in science, we're 37th in math in the world today.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:00

       Where did we use to be? At any one point in time were we number one?

   27. PMDr. Phil McGraw10:03

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       How long ago?

   29. PMDr. Phil McGraw10:06

       It's been a generation. It's been... We've been on the slide for a good while.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       Do y-
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   I don't remember that…

   1. PMDr. Phil McGraw15:00

      aren't paying enough. They're not paying a living wage, so they're just going in and taking what's rightfully theirs." And I'm saying, "Well... So, (sighs) okay. If you're wanting equal outcome..." "No, no. I'm just wanting equal opco- opportunity." "No, no. You're wanting equal outcome 'cause you're- you're saying everybody should just help themselves to... So they all can live. What if one person spent 15 years going to college and working their butt off to acquire what I call consequential knowledge, and the other person was sitting home in a bean bag eating Cheetos for 15 years? You think they should have the same outcome?" "Well, yeah. That's a right. Everybody has a right to a reasonable life." "Well, go read The Little Red Hen. I mean," (sighs) "did they not go over that in grade school?"

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:53

      I don't remember that one.

   3. PMDr. Phil McGraw15:54

      You don't remember that one? That's a good book. I'll get you... I'll send you a copy.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:58

      (laughs) What was the premise of The Little Red Hen?

   5. PMDr. Phil McGraw16:01

      Well, she- she was going around saying, "Hey, help me harvest the grain will you?" And- and, you know, the grasshopper said, "Oh, I'm just basking in the sun here." And then she goes to the next land animal, "Help me with this." "No, I... Hey, I'm busy right now." Then it comes winter time and they all kind of wanted to come eat the bread. And she said, "Well, you didn't help when it was time to get the grain in, but now you want to eat the bread. And so, sorry I didn't get enough in to feed you all 'cause you never helped." And so they're all out there freezing to death and it just doesn't work that way. You got to pitch in if you want to be there when it's time chow down. And people don't understand it doesn't work if you don't contribute. It- it doesn't work.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:48

      And the scary thing is this idea that people have that the government should provide for them and that they- they deserve it. It just reinforces this, and it just compounds it.

   7. PMDr. Phil McGraw17:00

      You know, even... (sighs) I- I've worked a lot in rehab.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:04

      (clears throat)

   9. PMDr. Phil McGraw17:04

      And I don't mean drug rehab. I'm talking about all, any, whatever it is. If you have a head injury, if you have someone that's, uh, injured on the job and they're having to reeducate their body. Uh, spinal injury or whatever. If you don't require that person to do everything they can do, every single time they face a task, you're cheating them because they'll never get to the next level. I mean, if a paraplegic takes 11 minutes to get across a room to flip a light switch and you don't require them to do that, then they'll never do it in 10 minutes, nine minutes, six minutes, and then where they can actually do it. Now, if they can't do it, they can't do it. But you need to require them to do everything they can do for themselves before you help them to do it. And we should always help them to do it, but you should let them do as much as they can do. And that's the same way with everybody in the world. They should do everything they're able to do.And if we have people on the government dole that aren't doing everything they can do to help themselves, whether they're among the homeless population or, uh, the drug population, or the mentally ill popul- what- whatever. It's, um, totally understanding that you help people. But you give them a hand up, not a handout. There's a big difference. And we're just not doing that. You, you've got to require people to do everything they can do to help themselves so they, again, observe themselves doing more and more and they have pride in what they achieve and what they accomplish. And we've gotten away from that. We're not doing that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:03

       But it seems like, especially when you're talking about, like, the homeless population, you would need so many people to work with those people, because you're talking about a, a psychological shift, a, a way of viewing the world with, with discipline and accountability that you're, you're not gonna just get people to adopt on their own. I mean, very few people will. Mo- most people will do the very least that they have to do. And if there's programs and different ways that they can acquire money and food, they'll just stay in whatever state they're at. You know, I was watching this video today of a guy who's in Hollywood who built a house on the street. He built a small house. And they were talking to all the people in the neighborhood about it and they had the cops come and visit him and they offered to take him to a shelter and he's like, "No, I don't want to go." And they go, "Okay," and they just leave him there. So this guy's built a structure on wheels. It's like a small shed, but a wooden house, 'cause he said that every time he had a tent, they took the tent away.

   11. PMDr. Phil McGraw20:06

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:06

       So he just built a house.

   13. PMDr. Phil McGraw20:08

       Well, that's pretty industrious.

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       Yeah. But why can't he apply that to other things, right?

   15. PMDr. Phil McGraw20:12

       Exactly. And he, and he can.

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:14

       But he needs coaching.

   17. PMDr. Phil McGraw20:14

       But... And, and I don't care how flat you make a pancake, it's got two sides. And the side where he says, "I don't want to go to a shelter," if you go to a shelter, what do you do with all your stuff? 'Cause there's nowhere inside that shelter to take all of your stuff. And he, and he has things. And he might have an animal. And that animal, he's attached to. And you can't take that animal in the shelter. And you can't take your things in the shelter. And if you can't take your animal and your things in the shelter, they're not gonna go. If they leave their things on the street, they'll be gone when they come out the next morning. So, a shelter's not always the answer. So, you gotta have empathy for those people. And he may be trying to do the best he can, but there h- you, you've gotta create alternatives where he says, "Okay, look." If he's industrious enough that he's built a house on wheels and they're pirating electrical, some of them from service poles-

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:09

       Yeah.

   19. PMDr. Phil McGraw21:10

       ... some of them have tent man tents and they've got flower beds in front of them.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:14

       Yeah, this guy had plants hanging out in front of his house.

   21. PMDr. Phil McGraw21:16

       Yeah. That's pretty industrious. Now, if, if that guy's got that much initiative and... He could use that in other ways. Find him a place where he can do that, where he can not be obstructing traffic, not be in front of somebody's business, be in an area where he can build that house and then maybe he can inspire somebody else to do the same thing and then he can maybe... You know, it starts to snowball. You work with what you have. I'm not saying these people can start running their own business tomorrow, but build on what you have. Uh, but you don't just say, "Well..." You know, so he's what they refer to as experiencing homelessness. Find something that you can build on. These people don't want to be homeless. They want to have a better standard of living. But once they become homeless, it's like, you know, inertia is the tendency for bodies at rest to stay at rest and it's hard to get them moving. But you say there's, it would take so many, you can find leaders within those groups that can help the next level below and they can be helped by the next level above. There are ways out of that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan22:30

       But it seems like one of the first things that has to happen is you can't tolerate people just camping on the streets. Just like you can't tolerate people littering. 'Cause it's, it's not much difference. You're, you're interfering with all the other people that are following society's rules. And society's rules are there to preserve everybody and keep the world cleaner and a better place. So as soon as you allow someone to violate those rules because they're down and out and then you have more and then they compound and then you have thousands of tents, now you have a problem that's almost insurmountable. And then you have a whole industry that's based around that problem because you have hundreds of people that work for the city that get paid six-figure salaries and they're not fixing anything. They get paid for the homeless cr- And some of them are making a quarter million dollars a year. We looked it up. It's wild. The budget goes up every year. The problem doesn't go away. There's no incentive to fix the problem, 'cause if the problem gets fixed, then those jobs go away.

   23. PMDr. Phil McGraw23:30

       Of course it does. The, the jobs go away. But those jobs can become different jobs if somebody holds them accountable. And, uh, so you can go in and just wipe all the tents off the street, but where are those people gonna go?

   24. JRJoe Rogan23:46

       Right. Well, in Austin, they moved them into hotels. They bought hotels, they moved them into hotels, and they had it set up where you'd have to be clean to go into these places. And they offered them counseling. But Austin's a smaller place. You know, there's only a million people in this city. And, you know, I talked to the mayor about it before they fixed the problem and it was his number one initiative. He's like, he goes, "Before I leave office, I have to fix this." And he goes, "And I think we can because there's only about 2,000 homeless people." He goes, "When you get to the place where LA is, where you're dealing with, like, 100,000 homeless people, it's almost impossible." He goes, "But right now, we're, like, at the tipping point where we can fix it." But it is kind of fixed. There's still some homeless people, but if you go around Austin, you don't see the tents here that you see in LA.

   25. PMDr. Phil McGraw24:31

       Well-... is, is that out of sight, out of mind? Or is somebody going to those people in the hotels and trying to get them to be self-sufficient? I mean, y- you can hide the problem or you can fix the problem, and you gotta find a way to fix the problem. Y- you've got to get these people doing everything they can do to become self-sufficient. I mean, that's the dignity they're looking for and we're not helping them to do it- (clears throat) ... if we're just taking them out of sight.

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:01

       But don't you think it's, uh, uh, there's a massive amount of energy and effort that has to be taken for each individual to change the way they view the world, to acquire discipline, to acquire initiative, to clean their act up, to stop doing meth and heroin, and, and try to get their life to a place where they're living a meaningful, rewarding life? I mean, how many people struggle with that on a daily basis? You, you need coaching and counseling and you need slow incremental steps towards acquiring a self-sufficient mentality. That's a very, very difficult thing to get people to accept en masse.

   27. PMDr. Phil McGraw25:39

       It is. And the problem that I see with the approach to it now is the exit ramps out of that life are not aggressively enough ... Th- they're not being pursued aggressively enough. It's just like, all right, what are we gonna do with these people today? Let's put them in, uh, a camping area, let's put them in a hotel, let's, you know, it's l- let's get them off the street, or let's get rid of the rules that say they can't camp. Well, okay, that's just warehousing. What are you doing to help this person become self-sufficient? Are you finding them a job? Are you creating a contingency where if they do A, they get B, if they do B, they get C? Or do you have somebody saying, "Hey, listen. Uh, housing is a human right." Well, okay. I- it ... Let's just for argument's sake say that's a human right. I'm not saying you agree with that, I'm not saying I agree with that. Let's just for argument's sake say that's right. All right. What's the contingency to then say, "Okay, now what are you going to do next? What are you going to do to get a job? What are you going to do to get off drugs? What are you gonna do ... Are you gonna go to therapy or are you gonna get job training? Are you ... What are you gonna do?" And you say you have all of ... It's gonna take a lot of manpower to do that. Well, we got a lot of manpower doing not shit now. Th- they can do that. I mean, let's make sure they're training people and hold them accountable for how many people they're getting off the street into jobs that are self-sufficient. We're not holding them accountable. They need to be held accountable for are they reducing the population or are they not?

   28. JRJoe Rogan27:25

       It seems like the solution that most people have is to move out of the areas that are enforcing these ideas. That's what most people are doing.

   29. PMDr. Phil McGraw27:31

       Of course.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:32

       Yeah. They're just ... Like, people that live in Santa Monica, they're just selling their houses. They're like, "I gotta get-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   130 million? …

   1. PMDr. Phil McGraw30:00

      that in some way so they can actually have, um, the focus and the mindset to contribute something to an employer somewhere. Uh, and that's not easy. And, and we're not helping this right now in the school system. It's ... We've got a silent epidemic going on right now because ... And it was exacerbated by the pandemic because, uh ... It's amazing how many people in America right now ... I- I just had a woman on recently, um-... that works nationally with the education programs. And she says 130 million Americans can't read at the most basic level. And I said, "Define basic level for me." And (laughs) she said, "Basic level is they can't read a prescription label. They can't read a simple story to their children at bedtime."

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:13

      130 million?

   3. PMDr. Phil McGraw31:14

      130 million can't read a-

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:16

      So that's more than a third of the whole country.

   5. PMDr. Phil McGraw31:19

      ... can't read a simple story to their children.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:23

      That's insane.

   7. PMDr. Phil McGraw31:24

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:24

      It's that, it's really that many?

   9. PMDr. Phil McGraw31:26

      Yeah. Uh, that's, that's, this is, um... And further to that, 32% of fourth graders can't read at even a basic level, and 24% of eighth graders can't read at a basic level, and 19% of high school graduates, according to the Department of Education, can't read. Graduates. Now, how does that work? You're graduating high school, but you can't read at the most basic level. So, when I'm saying there's a silent epidemic, um, we've got some schools that are changing their grading standards to close the gap.

   10. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       So they're making it easier.

   11. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:18

       Well, one of them that we looked at, a C is now 44 to 64%. You make 45, you got a C. You take a test, you get 45, you made a C.

   12. JRJoe Rogan32:32

       Wow.

   13. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:34

       Now, was that not an F when you went to school?

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:36

       That was an F. (laughs) Yeah.

   15. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:38

       That was an F.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:38

       Now, it's a C?

   17. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:39

       Yeah. Now, 44 to 64 is a C.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       70 was always a C.

   19. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:43

       Right. That was a C-minus because that was the bottom of the Cs, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:46

       Right.

   21. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:47

       So now, 44 to 64 is a C, 64 to 84 is a B, 84 to 100 is an A. You gotta drop below 24 to get an F.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:58

       Wow, 24.

   23. PMDr. Phil McGraw33:00

       Now, that's how they're closing the gap and pushing them on to the next grade. So, if you can make a average of 30, you get a D. That's passing. You move onto the next level.

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:12

       So instead of fixing things, it just made it easier for people to get through.

   25. PMDr. Phil McGraw33:16

       Yeah. And, uh, I, I don't see how that's gonna work.

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:23

       No. It, it's, it's almo- Um, I mean, if you were a, a real conspiracy theorist, and you really wanted to believe that there was someone that was trying to destroy America from within, slowly, tha- this would be the way to do it. All the things we talked about, make it easy for people to be homeless, make people think that the world owes them something, equality of outcome is the desired result, everyone who's wealthy is evil. If you, uh, think there's something wrong with the world, throw soup at a painting and glue yourself to the wall. I mean, this, the stuff that we're reinforcing and the, the way that it's happening so rapidly, I mean, you, you're, you're older than me. Uh, has there ever been a time in your life where you thought that America could get to the point where it's at now?

   27. PMDr. Phil McGraw34:13

       No. Uh, I, I have to honestly say no. And, and further to that point, um, uh, I've gotta say that y- you get to a point where you start getting scared about whether or not this is something we can come back from, and I'm an incurable optimist. And I really do believe that if people will, if people will stop arguing and decide, look, I'm not here to win an argument, I'm here to solve a problem, if people will just take that attitude, we can really change some things that are going on here, 'cause I'm an, I'm an incurable optimist, and I do think we can solve this problem. And it's, we- we've got a lot of kids right now that are experiencing anxiety, depression, and homelessness at the highest levels that we've had since we started keeping records of this kind of thing, which is not that long ago. It's not like since the 1700s we've just been keeping these records for. (laughs) Um, I think they really started keeping good records in the maybe since '12, '10, '12, somewhere back in there. Um, but these are the highest levels that we've seen. And the pandemic didn't cause that, but it really spiked it because these kids were out of school and they got really scared of the pandemic, they lost loved ones, they were afraid of this invisible monster out there. Um, we're gonna have to deal with that and we're gonna have to deal with the fact that they lost a lot of time and a lot of learning that put them further behind than we already were. And we need... You said, "Something's gotta happen for people to come together." We need to come together for these kids. We need to come together and recognize that we're about to lose a generation here, and we can fix this, but we've got to stop trying to win an argument about who's got the right to talk about curriculum and who do-... We need to solve the problem.Look, I'm politically agnostic. I, you know, when I say the pandemic was mishandled, I think it was mishandled. I said it was mishandled at the beginning, publicly. And listen, this spanned the Trump administration, the Biden administration. So, this is a bipartisan problem. I'm not, I'm, I don't know enough about politics to talk politics. I don't want to know enough about it. I'm talking about the culture. And, you know, when I, when I talk to people about negotiating, which I do a lot, the first thing I always tell people is, "The first thing you should do is, let's talk about what we agree on. If we're on two sides of a table like this and we're negotiating, let's talk about what we agree on first." 'Cause you know if you really spend time to do that, you're sometimes surprised at how little you really disagree on.

   28. JRJoe Rogan37:33

       Right. I find that all the time.

   29. PMDr. Phil McGraw37:35

       Yeah. If you get to left and the right and talk about what we agree on, everybody would agree we want America to be the, the number one country in the world. We want to be the leading superpower, the leading educational power, the le- leading in technology. Everything, right? Everybody would agree to that. I- if, we want to be the healthiest country, we, we want to be the, the, the best leaders, we want to be... Everybody would agree on that. Everybody would agree we want our children to have a better life than we had. Everybody would agree that we want safety for our kids. We want advances in medicine. And everybody would... There's so many things we can agree on. And then when we say, "Let's talk about what we don't agree on," the next step you say is, "How can I get the other side as much of what they want as I possibly can?" That should be the second thing you should focus on, because oftentimes, you find we have different currencies. You might value different things than I do, so I might be able to give you everything you want. That's not likely to happen, but there's a lot I can give you 'cause you value different things than I do, and I value different things than you do. We might be able to really help each other get what we want, and it narrows down to very little, sometimes, that we really disagree on and have to compromise on. But you can't do that if you're really focused on winning an argument and being a right fighter, instead of saying, "Let's solve the problem. We can't come out of this room till we solve the problem." And it's hard to do that if you're kind of agreeing just with what your side beats the drum on versus this side beats the drum on, instead of being commonsensical and saying, "How do we solve this problem?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan39:26

       Yeah, I think very few people are able to argue without attaching themselves to ideas. So, if their, their idea, when they have an argument about something, if you say something that they agree with, instead of accepting that you say something they agree with, they want to fight against it, because they just want to be right. The, you know, very few people are good at ideas being discussed in arguments, 'cause the, the argument becomes very personal. Like, they think about their own self-worth, and they attach it to being the winner of the argument. They want to use ad hominem attacks, insults, and, and, and trying to figure out a way to, to verbally joust with you to the point where they're successful.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Well, you know, I,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      censorship, like this whole Kanye West thing, um, you know, Kanye West is being canceled by all these organizations and they're remove- the, the best way to handle Kanye West is the way Lex Fridman did, have a conversation with him and correct all the things that he's saying that you think are wrong or e- that you think are generalizing or you think, that you think are, uh, misrepresentative of the truth. But that's not the world we live in today. The world we live in today, we want to erase people if we don't agree with them. And then the problem with that is it scares people into communicating freely 'cause they're worried that they're going to be erased next. So they'll conform. It's you, you're, you're forcing people to conform to a very particular way of thinking and it, it reinforces these ideas that you, you know, you have to be a part of this one particular group of ideas and thoughts. And if you're not, there's consequences to that and so people self-censor.

   2. PMDr. Phil McGraw45:59

      Well, you know, I, I said I had a, um, a, a focus group, uh, every day-

   3. JRJoe Rogan46:05

      Yeah.

   4. PMDr. Phil McGraw46:05

      ... uh, on the show now and, um, I'll, I'll show you. We, we did a show, um, the title of which was You Can't Say That and, uh, so I was putting up, uh, on screen, um, all the things that you now can't say. These are the words that have been, you know, people say these are offensive to, um, people's sensibilities and, um, I'll, I'll find it here and, and, and show you what it was, um, unless Jamie already has it. Um-

   5. JRJoe Rogan46:44

      Here it is.

   6. PMDr. Phil McGraw46:46

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:46

      Mom and dad?

   8. PMDr. Phil McGraw46:47

      Yeah. There you go.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:48

      You can't say mom and dad anymore?

   10. PMDr. Phil McGraw46:50

       Yeah. You, you can't say mom and dad anymore. And so-

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       (laughs)

   12. PMDr. Phil McGraw46:54

       ... (laughs) and we can talk about these. But I asked the audience, at one point I said, "How many of you are reluctant to raise your hand and say anything?" 'Cause I asked the audience to participate and they do a lot. "How many of you are afraid to say anything right now because you don't want to get targeted?" And it looked like the wave.

   13. JRJoe Rogan47:13

       (laughs)

   14. PMDr. Phil McGraw47:13

       Everybody said, "Oh yeah, I don't wanna s- I don't wanna say shit."

   15. JRJoe Rogan47:16

       Peanut gallery?

   16. PMDr. Phil McGraw47:16

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:17

       You, why can't you say peanut gallery?

   18. PMDr. Phil McGraw47:20

       That one, I always thought, and look, I'm here to learn, I, I, so I ask them, "What, what, what is it?" I thought peanut gallery was at the, like the cheap seats at the baseball game.

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:32

       Yeah. That's what I thought too.

   20. PMDr. Phil McGraw47:33

       Like out in the outfield-

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:34

       Yeah.

   22. PMDr. Phil McGraw47:34

       ... where the kids, kids would go and get a $2 ticket or something-

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:37

       Yeah.

   24. PMDr. Phil McGraw47:37

       ... and eat peanuts and have a great time.

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:39

       Isn't that what it is?

   26. PMDr. Phil McGraw47:40

       Apparently not. Apparently, it has some racial, uh, overtones.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:45

       Peanut gallery does?

   28. PMDr. Phil McGraw47:47

       And the mom and dad was, um, someone said, "Well, we don't have a mom and dad in our home. We have a, a mom and mom and so, uh, it makes my child feel funny if," um...

   29. JRJoe Rogan48:04

       Here it is. According to linguistics experts, the origin of this phrase derives from the late 1800s Vaudeville era, a popular style of entertainment that included jugglers, comedians, singers and more. The peanut gallery was the cheapest section of seats usually occupied by people with limited means. Yeah, the cheap seats. But how is that offensive?

   30. PMDr. Phil McGraw48:26

       Well, man, I've been in a peanut gallery a lot of my life.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Well, y- y- you…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      intellectual struggle, through complicated things that you have to work your way through. And there's so many people out there that avoid those things, that it's easy to avoid those things, and there's a pattern of avoiding those things. A pattern of just being complacent, being lazy, you know, finding some sort of a distraction, whether it's video games or television or social media, and it's very hard for people to break out of that. I know there's a lot of people that want to, though.

   2. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:00:29

      Well, y- y- you know how uncomfortable cognitive dissonance is. You, you, you're just really f- you don't want to feel that friction of this other point of view. It's uncomfortable to consider it. But here's what's happening, and y- y- you'll experience this being in Texas now, but when we were kids we used to go... Have you ever heard of Mundy, Texas?Mundy, M-U-N-D-Y? Yes. Yeah. It's where my pa- my grandparents lived in Mundy, Texas, like, 1,500 people. And I used to go there in the summers and work at my grandfather's freight warehouse. And, you know, the big 18-wheelers would come in and drop freight at his warehouse, and we would deliver it around the county. It'd be like, those big plow disk and all this stuff, and we'd put it on a flatbed and deliver it. And there ain't nothing in Mundy. It, it ain't in Mundy, it ain't headed that way. (laughs) It's just noth- nothing there. And, you know, we'd go around barefooted a lot, and sometimes, being stupid, we would start across an asphalt highway barefooted. And you get about halfway across and you go, "Holy shit." (laughs) I mean, you're, you're, you're out there and you look down and, and your feet are just melting into the pavement. All right, now what are you gonna do? You're in pain and you're gonna do one of two things. You're either gonna turn around and run back or you're gonna bolt to the other side, but you are not going to stand in the middle- (laughs) ... and just, and just melt into the pavement. You're gonna go one side or the other. And that's what people are. They... That- that's how people are. They, they get into a position of pain, they're gonna resolve one way or the other. And once you get to the side of that road, what's it gonna take to get you to go back out on that highway to go over to the other side? It's really hard. And right now, we got people on the shoulders of this hot, hot highway. And how to get them to come across to the other side or meet in the middle is very painful for people psychologically. They don't want to do that. It's painful for them to get out of their... They're in a bubble. They're talking to their own people. They're not talking to the people on the other side of the highway and it's painful to go over there. It hurts to get on that hot highway and go over there. It's psychologically painful. It hurts physically to go talk to somebody on the right if you're on the left or left if you're on the right. And that's what we're facing, is getting them on that hot highway again, because they know what's gonna happen. It's gonna hurt to do it. That's what we have to overcome. We gotta get you out on a hot highway. Mm. (laughs) And you'll see that psychologically, that's what we gotta overcome. And we've got to make it clear that those yelling the loudest don't deserve the most attention. That's the problem we got right now. We got small pockets of loud talkers and they're getting the most attention. And that's not the way it should be. And all of this majority that's being too quiet need to speak up. They don't need to start yelling, they just need to start a chorus of common sense. Common- I think people are afraid of doing that- They are. ... because they don't want to be singled out by the people- It's- ... that are extremists. But if they hang together... Look, common sense is just not common enough anymore. We've got to have a return to common sense. Just, some of the stuff we're doing right now is just, it's just, just not common sense. Mm. It's just not... (sighs) No, it's not. We, we have, we have epidemics in this country right now that people aren't paying enough attention to. Well, the fentanyl epidemic, that one scares the shit out of me. Man. That one scares the shit out of me. It really does, because people are accidentally dying of overdoses. It used to be if you died of an overdose, it's because you did a dangerous drug, you took a very risky chance to do something that you probably knew you shouldn't be doing, whether it's heroin or meth or something like that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:07:03

      Scroll down.

   4. NANarrator1:07:04

      I was seeing if he was going to react. (laughs)

   5. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:07:07

      No, I'm not reacting. I'm not reacting, I'm looking and I... 'cause I've got something... Okay, here we go. Um, like, see these Xanax bars here?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:07:26

      Yeah.

   7. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:07:27

      And, uh, maybe I can send this to Jamie. Okay, then here are the emojis that they use to advertise it with. And then here is the menu.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:07:42

      So who... Is this cartels that are putting these things up on Snapchat?

   9. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:07:45

      Okay.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:07:45

       And then you order them on the internet?

   11. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:07:47

       Yeah. He- here's the deal. Fentanyl is synthetic and it's all being, uh, generated in China. So, if you want to be a conspiracy theorist, this will get your conspiracy juices, uh, flowing. Are, are you AirDrop open over there?

   12. NANarrator1:08:10

       Yes.

   13. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:08:11

       Jamie's AirBook Pro?

   14. NANarrator1:08:12

       Yes.

   15. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:08:13

       Okay. I just sent you four pictures and they're gone, so now you have them. Okay, it's all being generated or synthesized in China. And then China is sending it to the Sinaloa cart- cartel. And the cartel is then turning it into these pills and then these pills are coming into America. And the DEA estimates that they are intercepting about 10%. And what they are intercepting is enough to kill every American.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:09:04

       Jesus Christ.

   17. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:09:06

       The fentanyl is enough to kill-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:09:08

       So here's the menu.

   19. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:09:09

       ... every American.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:09:10

       LA county delivery.

   21. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:09:12

       It's like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:09:13

       Can you make it to that little... There it goes. So LA county delivery, nationwide shipping, low cost, low stress, highest highs, Dr. Don guarantee. MrDon248.

   23. NANarrator1:09:27

       Oh, it's got my...

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:09:29

       So look at all the stuff that they have here. Perks, GMO OG gas and edibles. What does that mean?

   25. NANarrator1:09:36

       Uh, that's probably weed.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:09:38

       Gas? Really?

   27. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:09:39

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:09:40

       THC crumble, snow, Adderall, 20 milligram scripts, 2.5 milligram hulks. What are those? What's a hulk?

   29. NANarrator1:09:48

       Hmm, it's a type of pill. Off the top of my head I wouldn't know, but I'm not... It's, uh, it's pretty sure it's a pill.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:09:54

       Pharmapram bottles, Ambien 10, 10 milligram scripts. Hydros, 10 mill... What is a hydro?
6. 1:15:00 – 1:30:00

   That was always the…

   1. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:15:00

      piece of candy from trick-or-treating 'cause you don't know what's in there.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:05

      That was always the fear, right? When we were kids?

   3. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:15:07

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:07

      Is that someone's gonna sneak in-

   5. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:15:08

      We thought there'd be-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:09

      ... a razor blade-

   7. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:15:09

      ... a razor blade-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:09

      ... into an apple-

   9. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:15:10

      ... in an apple or something.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:11

       I saw this going around, but I heard a lot of people pushing back at, a couple of days after this was made, it made your headlines. 'Cause they were showing- Experts say no. Who's the expert?

   11. GMGuest (Dr. Phil McGraw)1:15:19

       I don't know, I'm just, it, there was a lot of, uh, hubbub about this viral picture because this went out, the DA was talking about it, but then I read there was like no evidence that this was real.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:15:30

       Well-

   13. GMGuest (Dr. Phil McGraw)1:15:30

       It was, uh, that's, that's what I read.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:15:32

       Well, let's sc- scroll down and see what they say in terms of, looks like candy, DEA, DEA administrator Allan or Anne, uh, Milgram told CBS News, "In fact some of the drug traffickers have nicknamed it Sweet Tarts, Skittles. The DEA alert didn't mention Halloween, but fears about rainbow fentanyl and the holiday went viral." D- d- d- d- d- w- DEA warning meets skepticism from drug experts. Drug policy experts contacted by NPR agree there's no new fentanyl threat this Halloween. Many are also skeptical of the DEA's original warning. They don't believe the Mexican drug cartels and street dealers have launched any new campaign targeting children. I don't see any evidence that the DEA has produced that supports that conjecture.

   15. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:16

       I don't think they're targeting children. I think the fact that they are making these things in pastel colors-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:16:22

       Yeah.

   17. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:23

       ... make children vulnerable to picking these things up.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:16:26

       Yeah.

   19. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:26

       Uh, uh, uh, what, you, you wanna argue over the, the word targeting? I- if a child picks up something that loo- you know, I, I, I said that young girl that I was talking about took three quarters of a pill, or one quarter of a pill, and three quarters of it was left in her drawer.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:16:46

       Yeah.

   21. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:46

       If she has a, a, a younger sister, um, or something that sees that, picks it up and it looks like candy and eats it, she's gone.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:16:55

       Right. Yeah, it's-

   23. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:56

       I'm not saying they're targeting.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:16:57

       ... it's the way it looks, you're not saying it's targeting.

   25. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:58

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:16:58

       Yeah.

   27. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:59

       I don't care if you use the word targeting or not, it's, it's, it's dangerous.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:17:04

       Yeah.

   29. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:17:04

       And I'm just saying, I've, uh, y- you know my grandkids, they won't be getting any candy out of that.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:17:14

       Yeah.
7. 1:30:00 – 1:36:30

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:30:00

      propaganda. It's so dangerous what, some of the gaslighting that you're seeing. I saw people gaslighting about... I'm sure you saw that debate between Dr. Oz and that guy Fetterman, uh, for the Pennsylvania Senate. And f- the, the gentleman Fetterman had a stroke five months ago, and he's clearly compromised to the point where while he's communicating, he's not just stumbling. He kind of lost in thought and can't form a coherent sentence and bounces around from idea... He looks, he looks troubled. And I was watching NB- MSNBC, and they were trying to say, "Well, I mess up sometimes when I talk and, you know, I misspeak and I, I stumble on my words." Of course you do. Everybody does. We're human. I do it all the time. But there's a big difference between the overall one-hour debate. You're looking at a guy who seems to have something really wrong with his brain. And you, for you to gaslight and pretend that's not the case just because it doesn't fit with your narrative, that's not news.

   2. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:30:58

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:30:58

      That's, that's propaganda, and it's fucking dangerous.

   4. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:31:02

      Yeah. Um, you know, I, I hate to see them do that. And look, I, I, I haven't done any testing on Fetterman or, uh, President Biden, but, um, I- I'm...... it, it, it seems to me that President Biden is not at his best and that Fetterman is not at his best. (laughs) Uh, and-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:31:28

      That's being very charitable.

   6. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:31:29

      ... and I, I don't hold that against Fetterman. He, he had a stroke.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:31:33

      Exactly.

   8. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:31:34

      But, um-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:31:35

      Seems unfair to put him in that position.

   10. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:31:37

       It, it, it really does. And I'm not trying to be unkind. He had a stroke. I mean, the poor guy.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:31:42

       Yes.

   12. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:31:43

       He had a stroke, and he's gonna have to rehabilitate.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:31:46

       Yes.

   14. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:31:46

       And I, and I hope he's able to do that, and all.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:31:49

       But why did they think that they could put him out there on a huge stage like that and not have those... Like, there was interviews before that showed this, where he used a teleprompter during interviews, where when he was asked questions, he was allowed to look at a screen and read his responses off. And even then, he struggled. He struggled to form coherent sentences while having the responses to each individual question laid out for him in a way that he could read. And this is not against the guy. I don't know, I don't know anything about this guy.

   16. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:32:23

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:32:23

       I really don't. I just know he's the Democratic candidate. But what, what you're seeing is a, a guy who's got a problem with his brain. That guy should be rehabilitating. He shouldn't be getting forced into an incredibly high-stress job in a public display where, you know, it's humiliating.

   18. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:32:40

       Well, I, I, I think he shows great courage to get up there and do it. Uh-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:32:45

       Most certainly.

   20. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:32:46

       But I mean, just ask yourself, let's say you were getting on an airplane and the airline pilot had, had a similar cognitive impairment.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:33:00

       Yeah.

   22. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:33:01

       Would you get on?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:33:02

       No.

   24. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:33:03

       Well, hell no.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:33:04

       Well, is there some sort of... What do they do? Like, is there some sort of a, a protocol that's in place if someone is the candidate and something bad happens to them like this? You don't just have no one... Like, if he, if he died from that stroke, would they have no Democratic candidate?

   26. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:33:26

       You know, I don't know what it is in Pennsylvania. Maybe they'd have a quick special election or something. I don't know what the rule is. They-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:33:33

       That seems appropriate in this case, doesn't it?

   28. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:33:37

       I, I guess, would they, would the other guy run unopposed?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:33:42

       That sounds crazy.

   30. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:33:43

       That doesn't sound right.

Episode duration: 2:44:27