Joe Rogan Experience #1897 - Graham Hancock & Randall Carlson

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. RCRandall Carlson0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      These are some of my all-time favorite podcasts. I just have to tell you. I'm so excited to have you guys in today. I really was. All weekend, I was giddy.

   5. GHGraham Hancock0:20

      (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      I was giddy thinking about today. So congratulations on the Netflix series. I am super excited to, first of all, to have that on a mainstream platform-

   7. GHGraham Hancock0:30

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      ... is such a huge victory for you. So-

   9. GHGraham Hancock0:33

      Thank you.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       (claps) Congratulations to you.

   11. GHGraham Hancock0:36

       Thank you.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       It's all turning in both of your way. I mean-

   13. GHGraham Hancock0:39

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       ... there was so much skepticism, uh, just years ago, but now it seems like with-

   15. GHGraham Hancock0:44

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       And even Michael Shermer. You were showing me, uh, something that he tweeted today.

   17. GHGraham Hancock0:48

       Yeah. Well, no. He tweeted it a while ago, but-

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Oh, okay.

   19. GHGraham Hancock0:50

       But, uh, you know, he, he walked back on, on some of his crit- criticisms of, of our work, and-

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       It was in light of new evidence-

   21. GHGraham Hancock0:58

       Yes.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       ... of the Younger Dryas impact theory.

   23. GHGraham Hancock1:00

       Exactly. Exactly. No, it's been a, it's been a, a major challenge getting this show, getting this show done, but, uh, it, it's the first time I think that these radical ideas have got onto a major platform, um, and, um, the whole, the whole focus of the thing is summed up in the title of the show, Ancient Apocalypse, because we had an incredible apocalypse that hit this planet, and it wasn't just one moment. It was 1,200 years of hell on Earth between roughly 12,800 and 11,600 years ago.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       Wow.

   25. GHGraham Hancock1:34

       And, and that is not taken into account by mainstream historians and archeologists. Something that really changed the world needs to be taken into account if we're claiming to have a full knowledge of the past of humanity. And so I'm just really glad that, that Netflix have taken this show on and they're gonna blast it out to a worldwide audience, and, and hopefully that will begin to put more pressure on the academics, who, frankly, I'm not a conspiracist, but they do act as gatekeepers as to what may be allowed out in front of the public and what may be not allowed.

   26. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       Yes.

   27. GHGraham Hancock2:07

       Like-

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:08

       And that seems to be because of the books they've written, the lectures they've given, that they've given all these lectures and they've written all these books that have theories that are outdated, and they don't wanna let those theories go in light of the new evidence. They, they wanna push back as much as possible-

   29. GHGraham Hancock2:25

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       ... because it, frankly, weakens their credibility as the arbiters of the truth.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   And I think we…

   1. RCRandall Carlson15:00

      Lake Nipigon, came down through-

   2. GHGraham Hancock15:02

      And I think we should add that Lake Nipigon was discharging because it was filled up with water that came out, out of the ice cap, and-

   3. RCRandall Carlson15:08

      Yes.

   4. GHGraham Hancock15:08

      ... and filled it up.

   5. RCRandall Carlson15:09

      Yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      What is the conventional explanation for these massive bluffs that are very far apart from each other with a relatively small river running through the middle of it?

   7. RCRandall Carlson15:17

      Try as I might, I've never found an explanation.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      Mm-hmm.

   9. RCRandall Carlson15:20

      But you can look here at this, and this is, this is pure, what you call scab land, which is the result of major erosional, intense erosion, cutting out... This is a coulee, but you look at the-

   10. GHGraham Hancock15:33

       It looks like somebody's just been picking scabs off the skin of the land, and that was these water flows rushing through it, filled with icebergs and whole forest rips, ripped up by their roots. Naturally, it looks like s- torn-up scabs.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       And so-

   12. RCRandall Carlson15:45

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:46

       ... it's, it's your assertion that this all came out of the cataclysm, that this all came out of the impacts-

   14. RCRandall Carlson15:53

       Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:53

       ... the comet impacts?

   16. RCRandall Carlson15:54

       Uh, James, James Teller, a geologist, has dated these flows, 12,800 to 12,900 years ago.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:01

       And how has he done that?

   18. RCRandall Carlson16:03

       Radiocarbon dating, primarily by finding... If you have a flood and it's picking up anything organic, bone, wood, whatever, and you, you, you look in that, in those deposits, and you sample, and the samples... Let's say, because it's a flood, what it's gonna do, it's gonna pick up younger and older material, because it's washing away, it's excavating, uh, other land. And, and so what you do is you get enough, uh, dateable material, and if it keeps coming up that the maximum age is a given age, that's probably when the flood happened, or a minimum age, rather, not a maximum age. In other words, a flood might pick up stuff that's 15,000 years old and 12,000. Well, when did the flood happen? At 15,000 or 12,000? So what you do is you look for the youngest dateable material, and that should usually give you a pretty good idea of when the flood happened. So James Teller has dated this overflow here, and a- again, it comes out perfectly, uh, consistent with the Younger Dryas.

   19. GHGraham Hancock17:01

       I think it's important to, to add at that point that, that there's a reason for all of this, and this is, and, and this is a, a huge controversy in science at the moment. It's is, we, we know that there was enormous flooding 12,800 years ago, but the question is, what, what caused it? Why did it, why did it happen then? Uh, and, and there's a very powerful theory which is now backed by, by more than a hundred mainstream scientists, that, that the Earth passed through the debris stream of a disintegrating comet, and that theory is called the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis. And those several bits of that disintegrating comet might have been pretty big, maybe up to a kilometer in diameter, and they landed on the North American ice cap, generating huge amounts of heat, tremendous shockwave hits, hits the ice cap, and it turns that ice into water, and it rushes down southwards, fills up these lakes, overflows these lakes, and tears up the landscape un- un- underneath it. And this Younger Dryas impact hypothesis is by far, in my view, the best explanation of what's going on, and I'm...... I'm very happy to say that the Comet Research Group, the, the 100 scientists who are behind this, they've been funding their own research for nearly two decades because no big mainstream institution would get behind them. But just in the last couple of years, some big funding has come into the Comet Research Group and they're now in a position to go look at Antarctic ice, to go look at all the evidence from all over the world that shows that this cataclysm did happen 12,800 years ago, and that we're, we're dealing with something really that, that is almost unimaginable, uh, in it- in its scope, and which should change the way that we look at the history of the human species if it were not for this resistance. I, I wonder if we could, if we could just show a, a short clip which, which has got-

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:50

       Sure.

   21. GHGraham Hancock18:50

       ... Randall in it, the, the, the, the Randall clip-

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:54

       Ah.

   23. GHGraham Hancock18:54

       ... um, which-

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:56

       Give you the HDMI back.

   25. GHGraham Hancock18:56

       ... which, which, uh, whi- which is from The Ancient Apo- Apocalypse show, um, and, and, um, wh- where Randall makes the point at, at the end of it that o- once we take this into account, the whole story of history is going to, is, is, is gonna change completely, and that's what we're fighting for. We're fighting for some recognition that something really important is missing.

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       All right, here we go.

   27. GHGraham Hancock19:20

       Ancient structures built with surprising sophistication.

   28. NANarrator19:25

       It's the most amazing archeoastronomy site in North America.

   29. GHGraham Hancock19:30

       Revealing the fingerprints of an advanced prehistoric civilization.

   30. GCGuest (Graham Hancock or Randall Carlson, brief clip/voiceover)19:34

       This pillar is like our Rosetta Stone.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      that there were, were many sites like this that were thought to be just legend and myth, like Troy, for instance.

   2. GHGraham Hancock30:07

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      ... that has now been proven to be an actual real city that mimics the initial descriptions of it-

   4. GHGraham Hancock30:13

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      ... the historical descriptions of it.

   6. GHGraham Hancock30:14

      We should never dismiss myths. We should, we should always listen to them. They're the memory, they're the memory bank of our species, and they may be expressed in symbolic language. There may be wonderful stories built around them, but at the core is factual information. And what better way to ensure that factual information is passed down to the future than to record it in a fantastic story-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:37

      Yeah.

   8. GHGraham Hancock30:38

      ... that people will pass on? People love telling stories, and they don't even need to understand what the heart of the story is. As long as it's a great story, they're gonna keep on passing it down to the future. So, I, I, I think myth is, myth is very important and that's something that we, we do in my Netflix series, is we look at the myths. The story of Atlantis is not alone. There are thousands-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:57

      Mm-hmm.

   10. GHGraham Hancock30:57

       ... of traditions from all around the world speaking of a global flood that destroyed a former civilization, that brought to an end a golden age.

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       With all this physical evidence, and with all these myths, are there more and more people that are e- accepting this or exploring this with, with curiosity and open-mindedness now?

   12. RCRandall Carlson31:18

       I would say yes. And, and one of the things that m- makes me confident that that's happening is because I am getting a lot of emails and communications from people, young people going, "You know what? I was watching your stuff and Graham's stuff, I've decided I'm gonna go into geology."

   13. GHGraham Hancock31:35

       Yeah.

   14. RCRandall Carlson31:35

       I mean, I've gotten dozens. Or, "I'm gonna go into paleontology or archeoastronomy or, or archeology." So, just the fact that I'm getting those kinds of communications from people, that's, every time I get one, that's encouraging to me. Um, because I think it's, it's the old, uh, the old axiom that, you know, sometimes, y- you know, in order to evolve past a, an entrenched theory, the, the, the gatekeepers have to pass away and a new generation-

   15. GHGraham Hancock32:03

       Hmm.

   16. RCRandall Carlson32:03

       ... has to come along who's a little more willing to look outside that dogmatic framework.

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:07

       Well, also, if you are a young archeologist and you're trying to carve your way in the world, what better way than to explore this with tons of evidence-

   18. RCRandall Carlson32:16

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       ... that's very controversial theater, the- uh, theory, that's been dismissed?

   20. GHGraham Hancock32:21

       Takes courage, though. Takes courage on the part of those archeologists 'cause they can, they can lose any hope of promotion if they touch ideas like this. Archeology is a very restricted discipline. If you don't, if you don't c- copy what your professor says, if you go off on a tangent, they'll cut you off. There's so many, so many people who've done such great work in archeology that doesn't fit with the mainstream and they just get isolated by their colleagues.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:44

       I'm hopeful, I really am, and one of the things that gives me hope is Brian Muraresku's-

   22. GHGraham Hancock32:50

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:50

       ... r- r- the reception of his material, that book, The Immortality Key, which is fantastic, which points to real, clear-

   24. GHGraham Hancock32:57

       Which I, which I wrote the forward to.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:59

       Yes.

   26. GHGraham Hancock32:59

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:59

       And, and you did that podcast with us-

   28. GHGraham Hancock33:01

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan33:01

       ... remotely.

   30. GHGraham Hancock33:01

       Yeah, yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   And so much more…

   1. GHGraham Hancock45:00

      and it would be a very good thing to have the tech to make contact, or perhaps not a good thing, with all those other life forms in the universe. But right there in the DMT experience inside our own heads, we have the opportunity to encounter another world, another realm, entities who are very different from ourselves and who have teachings to give us. And I think we should be spending a lot more research funds on exploring those experiences and finding out what's going on, uh, ra- rather than zooming off to other planets. Let's do both, but let's, let's make sure that we understand that consciousness is an enormous mystery, and at the level of consciousness, DMT opens up literally a parallel world. And this is a, there's a nexus here with quantum physics and, and, and with, with, with, with the notion of parallel realms and parallel realities. Maybe we can actually access them. Well, the work at Imperial College ultimately is gonna come up with some answers on that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:57

      And so much more cost-effective-

   3. GHGraham Hancock45:59

      So much more cost-effective.

   4. JRJoe Rogan46:00

      ... than traveling to other galaxies.

   5. GHGraham Hancock46:02

      Yeah, yeah. I mean, let's, let's do that first.

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:04

      Yeah.

   7. GHGraham Hancock46:04

      Let's understand what we are. Let's understand what our consciousness is. Let's not just keep locked in this, "We're here to produce, we're here to consume, we're here to buy cars." Sure, we're here, all, th- those are all part of our life today, but it's not all of us. We're much more mysterious, much deeper creatures than that. And psychedelics offer a, a, a, a doorway into another way of exploring human consciousness. And when we do that, we find that there are unseen realities all around us that can be made visible in a deeply altered state of consciousness. And yes, uh, in terms of research funds, it's so much cheaper than trying to, you know, fly off to Mars or, or wherever. I'm not saying we shouldn't do that. Uh, I'm just saying that if we're going to do that, we need to explore the mystery of consciousness. And if we're going to have a, if we're seriously going to engage with the ET abduction phenomenon, with, with, with extraterrestrial, so-called extraterrestrials encounters, we must recognize that fundamental to this is consciousness. It's not just physical contact. There's, there's consciousness is involved. I wrote a book back in 2005 called Supernatural Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind, and it is astonishing, Joe, how encounters that were described as encounters with elves and fairies in the Middle Ages, encounters that were, that shamans to this day describe as encounters with spirits, that all the characteristics of those encounters apply to encounters with so-called extraterrestrials today. It's as though in each c- in, in each generation, each civilization, we construe experiences according to our cultural background. So, they called them fairies and elves in the Middle Ages. Shamans called them spirits. We call them ETs today. But if we're really going to crack this problem, and it is a problem, and it is a mystery. I'm not dismissing it. It's a very important mystery. If we're gonna crack it, we're gonna have to use psychedelics to explore the mysteries of consciousness.

   8. JRJoe Rogan48:07

      Yeah, I, I, I'm, uh, very excited that the attitudes about this stuff, uh, from the general public, uh, people are much more open-minded now-

   9. GHGraham Hancock48:16

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan48:16

       ... than, than ever before.

   11. GHGraham Hancock48:17

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan48:18

       I mean, never in my lifetime. I remember discussing with people, uh, doing DMT in the early 2000s and people are like, "What is wrong with you?"

   13. GHGraham Hancock48:26

       Exactly.

   14. JRJoe Rogan48:26

       "What are you crazy?"

   15. GHGraham Hancock48:27

       Exactly.

   16. JRJoe Rogan48:27

       And now, almost everybody and their cousin has a story about, you know, trying ayahuasca-

   17. GHGraham Hancock48:32

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan48:33

       ... or doing psilocybin or having some sort of an experience with peyote.

   19. GHGraham Hancock48:37

       Yeah. Yeah. It's very, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's very, very widespread. And I would say it's part of an overall change in our society, which is extremely healthy, which is the change of-... of just, just accepting what the experts tell us. "Oh, a scientist said this, so it must be true." We're starting to think for ourselves, and we're, we're not s- we're not willing any longer to be told what to think. We're wanting to find out for ourselves, and that attitude has very much affected the way that people relate to psychedelics. And when people explore the psychedelic experience in a responsible way, and it... Psychedelics are very serious business. You and I both know this. They're very, very serious business. I would not encourage children to take psychedelics, but actually, if we want to keep children away from psychedelics, we'd be far better to make them legal than leave them illegal and available on the black market. I think it's, I think it's something for the mature mind, uh, but I th- and, and I regard it as a fundamental human right of adults to be able to explore our own consciousness, so long as we do no harm to others. And I see this attitude spreading much more widely in society. What the hell is that guy in a suit? What right has he got to tell me how I treat my own health or how I treat my own consciousness? So long as I do no harm to others, that is entirely my business and nobody else's.

   20. JRJoe Rogan49:55

       Agreed. And if this is the source of civilization or one of the reasons why people were able to think so creatively and create these incredible structures thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago, this all does coincide with this work about these, uh, apocalyptic scenarios that you guys are talking about, because the, uh, uh, if we don't have an understanding of how we got to where we were-

   21. GHGraham Hancock50:23

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan50:23

       ... and we also don't have an understanding that this can happen to us again-

   23. GHGraham Hancock50:27

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan50:27

       ... it's very possible-

   25. RCRandall Carlson50:28

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan50:28

       ... for us to happen again.

   27. GHGraham Hancock50:29

       It, it is indeed possible for, for it to happen again. And, and in, in the eighth episode of, of Ancient Apocalypse, one of, one of the scientists from the Comet Research Group makes that point, that, that the comet that disintegrated, that caused so much damage on Earth 12,800 years ago, its debris stream is still in orbit. The Earth passes through it twice a year, and in the next 30 years, we're gonna be passing through a very lumpy bit of this 30 million kilometer wide debris stream that's called the Taurid meteor stream. We should be paying much more attention to that because it's not doom and gloom, because we can do something about it, should we choose to do so. And let's, you know, let's stop focusing all our efforts on fighting one another and hating one another and filling the word with, world with anger and fury, and let's, let's work together as a human species to make life on this planet better for, better for everybody. That's, that's, that's what's going on now. There's a, there's a new mindset, uh, which is, which is, which is coming into force. And I, I celebrate the youth of our society today because they are refusing to be bound by the orders that are given to them by the powers that be. There's a new spirit of thinking for ourselves, and that new spirit is, in my view, gonna change everything. It seems like a dark time right now. A lot of stuff is going on. That's always the case when you're in the middle of a paradigm shift. It seems like a dark time. We're... But we're privileged to live at this time because 200, 300 years from now, this time is going to be looked back on as a turning point in the human story.

   28. RCRandall Carlson52:01

       We might mention it, speaking of the Taurid meteor shower, we are e- passing through the Taurid meteor stream right now as we speak.

   29. GHGraham Hancock52:08

       As we speak, yeah, yeah.

   30. RCRandall Carlson52:10

       Late October to about the second week in November, up till about the 15th or 17th of November, Earth is passing through that stream, and it probably is the most important meteor stream in terms of the history o- of recent life on this planet. And this goes, um, you know, to people like Bill Napier and-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Wow. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

   2. RCRandall Carlson1:00:01

      Wow.

   3. GHGraham Hancock1:00:02

      So again, it suggests not only do we have a cataclysmic event that changes the face of the Earth, uh, but also we have evidence that somebody, as yet unrecognized by archeology, had the capacity to explore the world and to map the world during the last Ice Age. One of the things I find most striking is the presence of Antarctica on ancient maps, because we didn't discover it until 1820, and yet it's on maps drawn in the 1500s with great detail, which again, were based on much older source maps that have now been lost to us. Um, the astonishing thing is the, the so-called Pinkerton World Map, I don't know if you can, if you can find it, Jamie, uh, drawn I think in 1813 or 1818 based on the latest exploration data at that time. And where Antarctica is, Antarctica is... Yeah, that one, keep going right. That one.... that, that one you've got up at the top there.

   4. GCGuest (Graham Hancock or Randall Carlson, brief clip/voiceover)1:01:01

      Yeah, I was just trying to find a bigger one. There you go.

   5. GHGraham Hancock1:01:04

      It just shows a hole where Antarctica is.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

      Mm.

   7. GHGraham Hancock1:01:08

      'Cause they did... Th- th- it was an honest map.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

      Right.

   9. GHGraham Hancock1:01:10

      Nobody had found it by then, but if you go back to, for example, the Waldseemüller world map drawn in 1530 or thereabouts, you find Antarctica is present. If you can find Waldseemüller world map, it would be worth taking a look at. Um, Oronteus Finaeus. Go for Oro- O- O- Oronteus.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

       Mm-hmm.

   11. GHGraham Hancock1:01:27

       O-R-O-N-T-E-U-S, Finaeus, F-I-N-N-A-E-U-S, the Oronteus Finaeus map. That map shows (laughs) shows Antarctica-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       Mm-hmm.

   13. GHGraham Hancock1:01:38

       ... exactly where it should be, and it shows it... There we go.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       Mm-hmm.

   15. GHGraham Hancock1:01:42

       Right-hand side, there's Antarctica at the tip of South America-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:47

       (clears throat)

   17. GHGraham Hancock1:01:47

       ... just south of South Africa.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:48

       And what did they call it back then?

   19. GHGraham Hancock1:01:49

       Well, they call it the Southern Land, um, and it's, and it's larger than it is today, but it was larger than it is today during the Ice Age. Antarctica was a much bigger... Now, what the fuck is it doing on a map-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

       (laughs)

   21. GHGraham Hancock1:02:01

       ... drawn in the 1500s which we know was based on older source maps when nobody knew it existed in the 1500s? To me, the obvious answer is we are dealing with the fingerprints of a lost civilization that mapped the world and that left evidence of that mapping which ancient map makers found and used and incorporated into their maps. These maps can be very confusing 'cause they were trying to mix exploration data from their own period with data from the older maps, but when you look at these maps in depth, they're very, very intriguing.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:31

       When you go back to the, what you think are the origins of sophisticated civilization, how far back are we talking?

   23. GHGraham Hancock1:02:42

       I think that we really... You see the T-shirt I'm wearing?

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:45

       Stuff just keeps getting older.

   25. GHGraham Hancock1:02:47

       Yeah. (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:47

       Yeah.

   27. GHGraham Hancock1:02:47

       This is my, this is my motto. My kids gave this to me for one of my birthdays.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:52

       (laughs)

   29. GHGraham Hancock1:02:52

       Uh, it's partly an ironic comment on myself because, fuck it, I'm getting older. I'm 72 now. It's partly an ironic comment on myself, but it's partly a comment on something else as well, is that as science progresses, we are finding evidence that the human species is much older than we thought. Go back 25, 30 years, you'll find people telling you that anatomically modern humans didn't exist until 50,000 years ago. Then they found evidence of anatomically modern humans 196,000 years ago. Then in Morocco, they found evidence of anatomically modern humans 300,000 years ago, humans just like us with the same brains, the same capacities, the same abilities than us. Once you start extending that timeline back, you're leaving much more room for an advanced civilization to emerge, a civilization that was ultimately destroyed. If you've just got 50,000 years to do it in, it doesn't leave you much space, but if you've got 300 ye- 1,000 years to play with, there's plenty of space. So bottom line, I think this was a civilization that flourished during the Ice Age, that occupied the prime real estate during the Ice Age along coastlines, and that was obliterated almost completely in the cataclysm of the Younger Dryas. There were survivors. Those survivors left their fingerprints in places like Gobekli Tepe. After the Younger Dryas was over, they then sought to initiate hunter-gatherers into their system of knowledge.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:04:19

       So, when you're talking about the, the Nile and when you're talking about, uh, ancient Egypt-
6. 1:15:00 – 1:22:36

   But what kind of…

   1. RCRandall Carlson1:15:00

      some of the stuff here. I have tons of images where I think maybe we'll get a chance to pull up a couple of really awesome drone footage here before we're done. But once you begin to wrap your head around it, you go, "Really?" You know, it's like, imagine that you drop an atomic bomb on a city, and it completely obliterates it, and then a short while later, you drop another one on the same place. What's gonna be left? And then 10,000 years, 20,000 years goes by, what are you gonna be fi- what are you gonna find? What are you gonna look for? You know, it's gonna be just rubble that gets reincorporated just into the geological stratum, and it's gonna be very difficult to, um, differentiate for, for example, from what's called the conglomeritic rock, which is basically where you have just a huge jumble of broken rock cemented together, right? Now, within there, there could be all kinds of stuff that's not even recognized as being artificial in the sense that humans had anything to do with it. The other thing is, is when we talk about these ancient technologies, if we're only looking for a mirror reflection of ourselves, we could overlook it completely, because there is, I think, there's evidence that exists now, I mean, modern, some modern researchers whose work has been buried or suppressed, I think we're getting very close to rediscovering some of the things that, um, our ancient ancestors were up to. And maybe this would be worth a whole show in itself. We could dive into this, and I don't wanna get into that today.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:16:30

      But what kind of technologies are you talking about?

   3. RCRandall Carlson1:16:32

      Um... Well, I just... (laughs) I shouldn't really get into that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:16:37

      Get into it.

   5. GHGraham Hancock1:16:38

      Get into it, Randall.

   6. RCRandall Carlson1:16:39

      Come on.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:16:39

      We gotta get into it.

   8. RCRandall Carlson1:16:41

      Okay, well-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:16:41

      We've opened the door, sir. (laughs)

   10. RCRandall Carlson1:16:43

       Okay, well... Okay. (sighs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:16:47

       The passing of the HDMI cable.

   12. RCRandall Carlson1:16:49

       The passing. (laughs)

   13. GHGraham Hancock1:16:51

       (laughs)

   14. RCRandall Carlson1:16:51

       The passing of the cable.

   15. GHGraham Hancock1:16:51

       A sacred moment. (laughs)

   16. RCRandall Carlson1:16:57

       Well, there are people out there now who have been working on trying to rediscover that, and, a- and- and again, I don't want to digress too much into this now, because I, I would really rather be able to give a whole treatment of it-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:17:13

       Okay.

   18. RCRandall Carlson1:17:13

       ... and it might kind of derail us a little bit from this. But there are people who've been working on these things for, for decades now, basically in secret. In secret. And I've had the privilege of talking to some of these people over the last six or seven years, and right now as we're speaking, there's a g- there's a group of people who, who are basically going to open source a whole lot of stuff in the next three months so it can never get suppressed again. And that's why I'd like to come back and talk in more detail about it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:17:44

       Well, I'd love to have you come back and talk about it, but we gotta talk about it a little bit now.

   20. GHGraham Hancock1:17:47

       Hm.

   21. RCRandall Carlson1:17:48

       Ah, okay, well, uh, there's a laboratory right now in the Maldives that's been building prototypes using these technological principles, which are based on implosion rather than explosion, and the-

   22. GHGraham Hancock1:18:05

       And, and, and Tesla-

   23. RCRandall Carlson1:18:05

       ... inspiration for this-

   24. GHGraham Hancock1:18:06

       Tesla, Tesla's ideas are part of it, I think you mentioned to me.

   25. RCRandall Carlson1:18:09

       Tesla's ideas are very much a part of it. Um, yes, Tesla's ideas are very much a part of it. Um, so is, I don't know if you're ever, Viktor Schauberger-

   26. GHGraham Hancock1:18:18

       No.

   27. RCRandall Carlson1:18:18

       ... who did the work with water and discovered... Uh, yeah. Look up, um, Jamie, could you look up Viktor? Oh, I have the, uh- Yeah. I have the cable now, don't I? I can take it back. Let me find it real quick. Well, no, no, I, I, let me, let me pull something up here and, uh...

   28. GHGraham Hancock1:18:37

       I think the key thing is, we're, we're looking at technologies that are not the same as ours.

   29. RCRandall Carlson1:18:42

       Yes, yes, that's the point.

   30. GHGraham Hancock1:18:42

       And that's partly why archaeologists can't see them, because they're looking for us in the past, and they're not open to the possibility that there are whole other kinds of technology that could be used.

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