Joe Rogan Experience #1928 - Jimmy Corsetti & Ben van Kerkwyk

1. 0:00 – 0:20

   Show opens: Joe reunites with Jimmy Corsetti and meets Ben van Kerkwyk

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) We're up. What's happenin'?

   4. JCJimmy Corsetti0:15

      Hi, Joe, how you doin'?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Good to see you again. Ben, nice to meet you.

   6. JCJimmy Corsetti0:17

      It's a pleasure to meet you as well, Joe.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      I've enjoyed your videos and-

   8. JCJimmy Corsetti0:20

      Thank you.

2. 0:20 – 5:02

   The Richat Structure case for Atlantis: Plato’s details and geographic matches

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      ... I've enjoyed your videos, of course. Uh, Jimmy, I watched your, your whole series on Atlanta all day today. I've been watchin' for hours. I've been watchin' th- the impact videos, videos about th- the Atlanta structure, and so let's just get into it.

   2. JCJimmy Corsetti0:38

      Let's do it. So the Richat Structure, I was on your show a little over a year ago and sh- shared some details about it. To people who aren't aware, there's a location in the Western Sahara desert of Mauritania called the Richat Structure. It's also commonly referred to as the Eye of the Sahara. It is a site that most people have never seen or heard of before, which is truly peculiar because it's so spectacular. It's a site that, uh, astronauts typically use to reference from space. It is a geological feature that is said to be volcanic in nature, and what's so spectacular about this is that it just so happens to match more than a dozen striking similarities to what Plato had described as the lost ancient capital city of Atlantis.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:21

      I almost feel like we're not going to do your video justice by just talking about it, because the video's so good and you go into so many details. By the end of it, my jaw was dropped. I was like, "Holy shit." Like, from what you had the last time you were on the, the podcast, to what you put out now, it's even more compelling.

   4. JCJimmy Corsetti1:41

      Agree.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:41

      Like way more compelling.

   6. JCJimmy Corsetti1:43

      I appreciate you saying that, and I guess to anyone that wants to check it out, I have a YouTube channel called Bright Insight. It's right at the top of the page, and it says, "Lost Ancient Roman Map has Atlantis in Sahara, Africa." And that's kinda where it goes from there is that there is a... Actually, let me just mention real quick, like, you're a very inquisitive indi- individual. You have many interesting people that come and chat with you, and when I had asked you last time, you said that until you had saw my video, you had never seen or heard of the Richat Structure.

   7. JRJoe Rogan2:10

      Never heard of it, yeah.

   8. JCJimmy Corsetti2:12

      Anytime I meet somebody new or if I'm at some party and be like, "Oh, what do you do?" and we start talkin' about YouTube, the first thing I do now is I show 'em a picture of the Richat. And I've never, not once, ever come across one single person that has seen or heard of it before, other than people who are familiar with what I've shared.

   9. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      But there's so many things, like the, the, the, where the water flows to the south, where there's clear evidence of water erosion that took place after the volcano. There's so much that points to that possibly being Atlantis.

   10. JCJimmy Corsetti2:43

       It's spectacular. So just to run down real quick, Plato had described Atlantis as being the capital. Let me just mention that because it was an empire said to be made up of 10 kingdoms, and what I'm focusing on is the lost capital city, which was said to be made up of concentric circles, three of water, two of land, which matches the Richat Structure. It also was said to have an opening to the sea at the south, and if you look at it from satellite imagery, you can clearly see that water had ran through it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:07

       Let's take a look at that. Put, tell Jimmy what image to pull up so we can-

   12. JCJimmy Corsetti3:10

       And-

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       I don't know. I was just downloading them.

   14. JCJimmy Corsetti3:12

       Um, and furthermore, it was said to have mountains to the north, and you just so happen to have mountains called the Atlas mountain chain, which Atlas was said to be the very first king of Atlantis. And what's interesting is that the very first known king of Mauritania, which is where the Richat Structure's located, is also s- Their very first known king was also named Atlas, and though I'm not saying that that's the same individual, but what we do today is we pass down names, right? Like, people are like, "Oh, my dad's name's John and so is, so is my son," and so it's, it's another striking similarity, but it goes further than that. Like, there's geological similarities such as the fact that Atlantis was said to be made up of red, black, and white color stone, which is another similarity you see at the Richat Structure. Um, it was said to have an abundance of gold and that the outer walls were lined with it, and it turns out that Mauritania is loaded with gold. And not only that, the richest person ever known to exist in all of mankind is Mansa Musa of the Mali Empire, which consisted partly of modern-day Mauritania, and he was so rich from gold that he would be richer than Elon Musk and, like, Bezos combined almost. Like many, a unfathomable amount of billions of, of dollars. So that's another similarity.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       What year was this?

   16. JCJimmy Corsetti4:24

       Oh, this is, uh, 1300s or 1400s.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       There he is.

   18. JCJimmy Corsetti4:27

       Yeah, there we are, 1312, 1337.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:29

       What a great name, too.

   20. JCJimmy Corsetti4:30

       Yeah. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       Mansa Musa.

   22. JCJimmy Corsetti4:32

       Um, but the similarities don't end there. There was said to be an abundance of elephants, which is one reason why to suggest that Atlantis would've been in Africa, is because, well, besides the fact that elephants are known to be in, throughout Africa. They used to be in Mauritania. They're unfortunately pretty much extinct there today, um, but another little detail that most people aren't aware of, because they think of Atlantis like, "Oh, must be at the bottom of the ocean." Well, that's not exactly how Plato worded it. He did describe that the aftermath of Atlantis followed a catastrophic event involving water, is that,

3. 5:02 – 7:11

   A green Sahara and the “mud and reeds” aftermath: rethinking Atlantis as land-based

   1. JCJimmy Corsetti5:02

      is that what was left of Atlantis was reeds of grass and a shoal of mud that prevented ships from navigating to and from. And what people don't realize is that Sahara Africa, up until about 4,500 to 5,000 years ago, was totally green. It was tropical. It had the largest network or one of the largest networks of rivers ever known to exist. It had the largest freshwater lake ever known to exist, which is Mega Lake Chad, which, just to put this into perspective, it is, if you take all the North American Great Lakes combined, that's 94,000 square miles of surface area, whereas Mega Lake Chad was 139,000.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:42

      Whoa.

   3. JCJimmy Corsetti5:42

      Massive. Um, the... A- additionally, uh, Atlantis, the capital was said to have a river that went just north of it or next to it, and the Tamanrasset River went right through the Richat Structure or just north of it, went all the way to the Atlas Mountains that I described, which is in modern-day Morocco, um, and the evidence is that it existed at that same period of time when Atlantis was said to be around 11,600 years ago prior to its destruction.... up until about 5,000 years ago. So going back to my point, like, a lot of people see the Sahara Desert, and they don't realize that this place was unbelievably different than it is today. And one of the things that's so important is that, I know some people listening will, you know, they hear Atlantis, they think, "Oh, it didn't exist."

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:26

      Right.

   5. JCJimmy Corsetti6:27

      Whether it existed or not, the, the evidence that we're gonna chat about today to show you that there is conclusive evidence, I would say, that catastrophic water erosion, that the ocean had blasted through the Sahara tens of millions of years more recently than previously known. According to the science, 56 to 66 million years ago was the time of the Trans-Saharan Seaway, which was the last time the ocean blasted through it. However, there are a few lines of evidence that say otherwise. Besides the fact that anyone that looks at the Sahara Desert on, through, you know, the Google Earth app, you can see fluvial striations, which is signature traits of water erosion. This is con, uh, confirmed by other experts that look into these things. Uh, as far, like, I like to mention Randall Carlson.

   6. JRJoe Rogan7:10

      Mm-hmm.

4. 7:11 – 10:48

   Catastrophic water erosion in the Sahara: Mount Koussi, lava flows, and salt on peaks

   1. JCJimmy Corsetti7:11

      Um, he's someone that's analyzed the area and has said, "Yes, this is catastrophic water erosion." Um, but, so one of the signature lines of evidence that suggests that the ocean blasted through it far more recently was, the largest volcano in, in Sahara Africa is in Chad. Um, it's Mount Kussi. And, um, there's a lava flow that goes through it that is dated at 12,000 or so years ago. The volcano itself is supposed to be somewhere between 1.2 and 2.3 million years ago. But if you look at Mount Kussi to the south, you can see... and I don't know, Jamie, if you're able to bring up one of the photos of, of that mountain chain, but you can see that the water erosion cuts off that lava flow directly to the south. Yeah, keep going over. A little bit, right there. Okay. So go over a couple... That is the mountain, and you can see those striations, which are signature traits of water erosion. All those white blemishes are salt, and I should point out real quick that it is a confirmed fact that much of the Sahara, i- has surface-level salt. And you see those white blemishes on that mountain? That is not clouds. That is not snow. Those are salt deposits.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:17

      And surface-level salt that would have been from the ocean?

   3. JCJimmy Corsetti8:20

      That is what I, that is what I suggest, because in the middle of that caldera, you have huge patches of salt. And is it reasonable to suggest that that salt existed before that, the creation of that volcano? 'Cause it seems to me that all that molten, that salt would burn up.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:35

      Right.

   5. JCJimmy Corsetti8:35

      And the, and, and not only that, there is scientific studies that show that there are gastropods, which are sea life, that existed inside that caldera that used to be a thousand feet deep and dried up just a few thousand years ago. So the fact that this is an 11,000-foot volcano that has salt on top of it, I would say is corresponding evidence that the ocean had once went through it. And if you go over a couple more images, Jamie, you will see far better, uh, images that show you that... Okay, so notice how it cuts off. You see-

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:04

      Yeah.

   7. JCJimmy Corsetti9:05

      ... to the black right here? That, that is a lava flow that's dated around 12,000 or so years ago. And regardless of whether the volcano or that water erosion happened 12,000 years ago or two million years ago, that in itself is evidence that the ocean blasted through the Sahara Desert literally 50 to 60 million years more recently than previously known. And the implications of this, as far as climate science, as far as, uh, the topic of geology and cataclysms, cannot be overstated. I mean, does it not look like that, that water, or excuse me, that lava flow was cut off by whatever type of erosion that is? Does it, I mean, that's-

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:42

      Yeah, completely. Yeah, it's, it's such a clean line, and it, it, it aligns with all the water erosion marks that are to the left of it. Can you make that smaller, Jamie?

   9. BKBen van Kerkwyk9:51

      Uh...

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:51

       Can you make it, stretch it out? Yeah.

   11. JCJimmy Corsetti9:56

       And... Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       Nothing. It just, like, you, you could really clearly see that it looks like a line, like a water line passed through what was, uh, marked by the volcanic eruption.

   13. JCJimmy Corsetti10:09

       And this is one thing I say. I'm like, it's, it's visible to anyone that has eyes to see, but it turns out that the Sahara Desert is one of the least studied places on earth. Mostly because it's so inhospitable. It's an average of 125 degrees Fahrenheit much of the year. It is so unbelievably big that just to get out there, I mean, you need reliable aircraft or vehicles. There is... Most of the countries out there are, I regret to say, third world in that you just don't have supplies. It's not feasible to just travel out there with a whole team at a, at a, on a whim.

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:39

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JCJimmy Corsetti10:39

       So most, most of it is essentially undocumented, and it's not a site, the Sahara as a whole isn't a site that gets much attention, unfortunately.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       Ben, we gotta bring you in. Otherwise, he's gonna talk forever.

5. 10:48 – 14:39

   Egyptian parallels enter: Edfu temple origin myths, Solon, and Younger Dryas timing

   1. BKBen van Kerkwyk10:48

      (laughs) Yeah. No, I was, I was gonna say something that, that you mentioned about the origin of, uh, I guess the, Plato's description. You said it was mud and, uh, and grasses was like the aftermath.

   2. JCJimmy Corsetti10:57

      Yeah.

   3. BKBen van Kerkwyk10:57

      It's, it's interesting. It's the topic I've been exploring recently is that that does match some of the translations of origin stories from the ancient Egyptians. So it's, uh, it's-

   4. JCJimmy Corsetti11:06

      Hmm.

   5. BKBen van Kerkwyk11:06

      ... it's like the, the, the Temple of Horus at Edfu. It's this, uh, amazing structure, but it's, it's literally covered head to toe in hieroglyphs and descriptions and all these types of things. But one of the stories in the translations they do talk about is this, what they would call the, uh, the, the original point or the, the primordial mound, the primordial island. They describe it as being an island that was surrounded by water that was, was sinking. And essentially, these, these reeds that were growing on it that created a falcon's perch, and then the god, it was either Horus or Horum or one of the falcon gods, uh, alights on this perch and then gains divinity. But as part of that story, I mean, they, they, they... And then he goes and forms Kemet, the, uh, essentially the, the motherland, Egypt. And it's, it's this tale of, of them, I guess their civilization moving and, and migrating to this new land. But they, they do talk about a whole stack of unknown gods and a whole culture that existed before that, that's... It's, it's a, it's an interesting correlation. It's something that Graham Hancock speculated about in his work, uh, with the Temple of Horus at Edfu. You know, they, they also have, you know, catastrophic flood myths and things like this. But it, it may be that whatever-... prior civilization and it, uh, it, that's might've been where the dynastic Egyptians actually got their origins from, 'cause it seems clear that they've inherited some things from the past. That's a story they themselves tell.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:23

      Yeah, I wasn't aware that the story of Atlantis had come from Egypt.

   7. JCJimmy Corsetti12:28

      That's one of the most bizarre parts about it. I didn't know this until just a few years ago either. It's like, oh, wait a second. Plato didn't just... Plato, his, his distant relative, Solon, had traveled there in search of knowledge-

   8. BKBen van Kerkwyk12:37

      Yeah.

   9. JCJimmy Corsetti12:37

      ... because Egypt was the place to go for it, and like-

   10. BKBen van Kerkwyk12:40

       Yeah. It was, it was the Priests of the Delta that told Solon, and he said, he, they said that, yeah, so 6,000 years, uh, or 9,000 years, sorry, prior to the time of Solon was when the, the sinking of this city happened. And that-

   11. JCJimmy Corsetti12:52

       Mm.

   12. BKBen van Kerkwyk12:52

       ... then works out to be 9,600 BC, so 11,600 years ago, which is bang on exactly where now the geological evidence points to basically the end of the Younger Dryas cataclysms. Like something, we know something happened at the start at like 12,800, 900 years, and then 11,600 years ago was that end of the Younger Dryas that brought us up out of the cold spell and into the, the Holocene.

   13. JRJoe Rogan13:13

       Isn't it crazy that that's a full thousand years and we think about it in like the same time period? Like, yeah, I mean, around that time.

   14. JCJimmy Corsetti13:20

       (laughs)

   15. BKBen van Kerkwyk13:20

       I know. We're just playing around with it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:21

       We're, we're literally 11,600, 12,800. Look, we're literally talking about a thousand-

   17. BKBen van Kerkwyk13:26

       Thousand years.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:26

       ... fucking years.

   19. JCJimmy Corsetti13:27

       It is.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:27

       Yeah. It's so much time.

   21. JCJimmy Corsetti13:28

       It's so much time that actually if you go from 12,800... You know, so basically let's say 1,200 years. The English language, old English is only like 1,400 years.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:37

       Right.

   23. JCJimmy Corsetti13:37

       And modern English is only like four or 500 years. So this is such a wide... Uh, uh, uh, a long period of time that our, we weren't even speaking the same language that, in that same, you know, thousand years ago. It's a, a-

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:47

       Yeah.

   25. JCJimmy Corsetti13:48

       ... when you think of it like that, it's like it's a-

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       Nuts.

   27. JCJimmy Corsetti13:49

       ... different world.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:50

       It's nuts. And if you think about the people that lived a thousand years ago and how they lived. You know, all of this that I've learned from Graham Hancock and from Randall Carlson and from you guys, all of it is so astonishing and it all fits into place. It all makes sense. Like, why are we so fucked up?

   29. JCJimmy Corsetti14:10

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:10

       Like, why is civilization so wacky? Why do we have these, these, these weird structures that no one can really explain? And when you think about the fact that there's so much evidence that we were hit by comets, that we were hit by large objects, like I didn't know about that enormous crater that's in, um, Antarctica.
6. 14:39 – 19:32

   Impacts and floods as recurring history: Burckle crater, mega-tsunamis, and fire evidence

   1. BKBen van Kerkwyk14:39

      Yeah, there's a big one in, in, uh, in Antarctica. I don't know that much about it, but, uh, another one that you... Have you heard of Burckle crater? That's another one.

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:45

      Yes.

   3. BKBen van Kerkwyk14:46

      Yeah. Burckle crater, like the 20, 20-mile hole in the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

   4. JRJoe Rogan14:49

      Yeah.

   5. BKBen van Kerkwyk14:50

      Yeah, it's crazy.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:50

      Yeah. And when is that supposed to be from?

   7. BKBen van Kerkwyk14:52

      Five... So five, that was 5,000 years ago. They've dated that. It's something plopped down in the, the Indian Ocean and it washed up these mega tsunamis on the coast of Madagascar and Western Australia that we can see in satellite images today. There's got these like 500, 600-foot high chevrons from where the water went miles inland. And they, they, they found organic material from the seabed in these chevrons, and then they date that with carbon-14 dating and they put it right at, uh, 5,000 years or so, so 2500, around that time, BC, which is actually a really interesting date when you consider some of the, I guess, the publications that we rely on in our, in our modern civilization today. The Bible, the Old Testament wasn't written long after that. And if you think about where the Indian Ocean is, that could have been the source of the Biblical flood. Like that-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:36

      Mm.

   9. BKBen van Kerkwyk15:36

      ... that would've washed up north into the Persian Gulf, flooded the hell out of that whole region.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       It's just crazy that it's happened so many times.

   11. JCJimmy Corsetti15:43

       Yeah, it's what they say.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       Like, we, we like to think of history as being this linear thing. We started out as cave people.

   13. JCJimmy Corsetti15:48

       That's right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       And then we branched out from Africa all across the world.

   15. JCJimmy Corsetti15:50

       Not the end of it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       And, and kept, and kept learning. And here we are today with cellphones. But no.

   17. JCJimmy Corsetti15:55

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       No. It's, we've been, we've been rocked like multiple times.

   19. JCJimmy Corsetti15:59

       Many times.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       Many, many times. And there's real solid evidence. The Antarctica one, how old do they think that is?

   21. JCJimmy Corsetti16:05

       I don't recall on that.

   22. BKBen van Kerkwyk16:06

       Mm.

   23. JCJimmy Corsetti16:06

       I have to double check that. I have to do a Google, Jamie.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       (laughs) Yeah.

   25. JCJimmy Corsetti16:09

       It's-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       So researchers have discovered a crater 1.5 kilometers beneath the Antarctica ice crust.

   27. JCJimmy Corsetti16:15

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       482 kilometers in diameter.

   29. JCJimmy Corsetti16:17

       Okay.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       482 kilometers in diameter.
7. 19:32 – 25:16

   The offshore “seafloor slide” near Richat and gigantic ripple patterns

   1. JCJimmy Corsetti19:32

      Mm-hmm. Yeah. Something wild that has popped back up in my head, speaking of flooding and this 11,000-year timeframe. Going back to the Richat structure, there's a study that I came across that ties into the video that we were just mentioning, that off the West Coast of Sahara, Africa, right in front of the Richat structure, there's an underwater seafloor slide dated at approximately 11,000 years ago. And keyword, approximately. The, the very symbol is in there, so they're not entirely sure of the date, but in that timeframe. And this sediment looks like in, in the shape that it was blasted from a, a flood of water coming out of the Sahara, just based on the nature of the shape of it, that's more than 200 miles wide and maybe a 130, 140, 150 miles from north to south, and it's layered sentiment that is two- 2,000 c- uh, meters, excuse me, more than a mile deep, and it's layered. Mm-hmm.

   2. This right here. So, one, it's corresponding evidence that, uh, massive force of water may have blown out of the Sahara. And the one reason why this is so significant is, besides the fact that it indicates a possible flood of 11,000 years ago, but if there was any remnants of Atlantis, if there was... If the Richat structure-

   3. Excuse me.

   4. ... was the location, this is where you would wanna go look, looking. I mean, it's again-

   5. Mm-hmm.

   6. ... layered sentiment more... Sediment, excuse me.

   7. Sediment. Yeah.

   8. Thank you. Yeah, sentiment (laughs) .

   9. (laughs) .

   10. Uh, uh, more than a mile deep.

   11. Wow.

   12. Yeah. That's... Just to put this into perspective, from going from east to west based on this 200-mile, the, the widest point of the Florida Peninsula is 150 miles. Like, this is more than 50 miles wider than the entire State of Florida panhandle. Uh, I don't know... I mean, it's the same distance from New York City to, um, uh... Where do I have that in... Uh, DC, excuse me.

   13. Mm-hmm.

   14. Um, so, like, this is literally evidence of a catastrophic flood. That's more than just a seafloor slide. Something bulldozed- That's... Yeah. ... and, and when you look at these fluvial erosions, to anyone that's looking at this right now, signature s- uh, traits of catastrophic water erosion. And it looks exactly like they teach in school when it comes to water striations. Whether it's from glaciers or from water, these are signature traits of water. This is not wind.

   15. Yeah.

   16. And the fact that all these areas of white blemishes, say, in the Richat, are confirmed salt. There's numerous studies. I mean, th- For example, there is a treaties, uh, from 1851 from England and Mauritania that lists a few things. It talks about, one, that abundance of gold. It lists that bu- Well, actually, let me back up. Salt. They used to export gold out of Mauritania to Europe, and that's one of the locations. And s- uh, also, gold, it said that prior to the la- or the gold rush of North America back in 1800s, Europe got most of their gold supply from Mauritania as well.

   17. Wow.

   18. Which is an interesting point, because if that was the site of Atlantis, which was said to be so rich in gold, what an interesting similarity.

   19. Mm-hmm. Go back to that image again, please, Jamie. If you... The... What's really fascinating, too, is the, the description of Atlantis of having that opening to the south, and then you see this clear pathway to the south.

   20. To the south.

   21. Yep. Everything lines up. The shape of Atlantis, like, the, the concentric circles, the amount of them, earth to water, the way it... The, the representation of it as described.

   22. Right.

   23. The mountains to the north. Like, everything lines up.

   24. And not only that. All that salt is all... If people play around with this on Google Earth, you can check the elevation by using your mouse. All the areas with all the most significant am- amounts of salt happen to be at the lowest elevations, which I think is corresponding evidence that seawater had settled and later evaporated there. And as you see here-

   25. Mm-hmm.

   26. ... you can see it. It rips through the entire Sahara. And if you, if you look at their study that's showing the Trans-Saharan Seaway of 56 to 66 million years ago, it shows that the water blasted to the south, but it does not show it going west over the Richat. So, I feel like there is some other event, something separate that happened. And... I mean, yeah, these photos are spectacular.

   27. The photos are spectacular, but could you zoom out again, please, Jamie? With... The thing that's crazy is how clearly it looks like water came over that and washed back.

   28. Oh, it did.

   29. Look, look at the left side of that image. It looks so clearly like massive amounts of water came over there and then pulled back. Like, look at the way it's eroded.

   30. Do you want something that's gonna blow your mind? So, this area right here. Scroll in, Jamie, and you'll see. We discussed this last time as being water ripples. So, remember when, uh, Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson were on your show a few years ago-
8. 25:16 – 28:40

   Sizing, access, and objections: Atlantis dimensions, trade plausibility, and Richat logistics

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:16

      Now, the structure that you think is Atlantis, how tall are those concentric rings?

   2. JCJimmy Corsetti25:21

      So, it is ... The entire structure, from one side to the other, is nearly 30 miles, but the interior structure of the th- the concentric circles is 16 miles. And this is one argument that's made against it, is that this ... the size dimensions that Plato had gave, uh, are significantly-

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:37

      Smaller.

   4. JCJimmy Corsetti25:38

      ... smaller. And so ... But I, I would make two arguments on this. One, this is a 12,000-year-old story, and I would-

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:44

      Go back to that, please.

   6. JCJimmy Corsetti25:45

      I would argue that it is impossible for over 12,000 years to carry down, uh, precise translations because of, you know-

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:53

      How off is it from the translations?

   8. JCJimmy Corsetti25:55

      Oh, significantly. The, the entire site would be a small circle inside the middle of the circle.

   9. BKBen van Kerkwyk26:00

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:00

       Mm.

   11. JCJimmy Corsetti26:00

       But here's the reason why I think those mention- dimensions are, are wrong, is because Atlantis was said to be busy all day and all night. And I would compare that to any modern city today, which you could argue would be a population within the millions. So, if it was as small as Plato described, it wouldn't be feasible to suggest that millions of people would've lived there. And I'll make one other little point, which is that ... 'Cause many people posit that it could be in the Atlantic Ocean, like at the Azores, and I think that's a phenomenal argument for that. Um, but one ar- ... If I was to defend the Richite, or ... I would say that if this was a place that was spoken from languages of all over and was said to be a trading hub, I don't think that it would be as feasible to suggest that Atlantis would be in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean as opposed to West Africa, which was green at the time. This whole area was connected by a network of rivers, which I should have some slides on there.

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:49

       Close to the coast, you could-

   13. JCJimmy Corsetti26:50

       Right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:50

       ... get boats in, and you wouldn't have to venture out in the middle of the ocean-

   15. BKBen van Kerkwyk26:53

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:53

       ... as you described in your video.

   17. BKBen van Kerkwyk26:55

       Rivers.

   18. JCJimmy Corsetti26:55

       You make a very, very compelling argument.

   19. BKBen van Kerkwyk26:57

       Yeah.

   20. JCJimmy Corsetti26:57

       Um, my question, though: how tall are those circles? Like, th- how high do those things go? I wanna say 60 feet from ... Or, or 60 ... Actually, no, no, no. Excuse me. I wanna say 100 feet at some of the highest points down to the salt. I'd have to remeasure it, but if, if ... Jamie, if you go over it with your cursor.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:11

       Did you go there personally?

   22. JCJimmy Corsetti27:13

       No. So, I have ... In fact, let me give them a shout-out. Josh Sigurdson-

   23. BKBen van Kerkwyk27:16

       Yeah.

   24. JCJimmy Corsetti27:16

       ... and David Sk- uh, Stig Hansen went there individually. These are some intrepid fellows.

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:21

       (laughs)

   26. JCJimmy Corsetti27:21

       It is a gutsy trip. Josh almost died because you have to drive through a minefield to go there.

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:25

       Who?

   28. JCJimmy Corsetti27:25

       He saw actual skeletons.

   29. BKBen van Kerkwyk27:27

       Had like an AK pointed at his head.

   30. JCJimmy Corsetti27:28

       Yeah.
9. 28:40 – 38:56

   Atlantis as a stigmatized topic: Troy analogy, academic gatekeeping, and Hancock backlash

   1. BKBen van Kerkwyk28:40

      Oh, it's the most famous th- ... Yeah, well just that the whole term of Atlantis too, we tend to, we do tend to focus on it being like a single city, a single thing. It was ... And, and I was chatting with Randall about this just last night, and he, he was saying, you know, it's ... There were colonies. There were outposts. It was ... They would've had a, a global kind of outpost all around the world, so it's, it's, it's possible, even likely, that, that Atlantis existed in various different places. And it's, it's a, it's almost a term now that, you know, you say Atlantis, it gets, it gets this connotation to it. It's almost, you know-

   2. JRJoe Rogan29:09

      Yeah.

   3. BKBen van Kerkwyk29:09

      ... a pseudo-archaeological term.

   4. JCJimmy Corsetti29:10

      Yeah.

   5. BKBen van Kerkwyk29:11

      But it wasn't always the case.

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:12

      We talked about Troy as well.

   7. BKBen van Kerkwyk29:13

      We did. Troy's another one, but it, it-

   8. JRJoe Rogan29:14

      Troy's one 'til ... What year was, was Troy actually physically discovered?

   9. BKBen van Kerkwyk29:19

      Oh, th-

   10. JCJimmy Corsetti29:19

       1890? 18-something like that?

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:21

       Yeah.

   12. JCJimmy Corsetti29:21

       Late 1800s, I wanna say?

   13. BKBen van Kerkwyk29:22

       I-

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:23

       So, up until that moment, they thought that Troy was just a myth.

   15. BKBen van Kerkwyk29:26

       Fantasy. Yeah, it was just fantasy.

   16. JCJimmy Corsetti29:27

       Fa- yeah. Well, th-

   17. BKBen van Kerkwyk29:28

       It was just fantasy. Yeah, I mean, and that ... But people used to take Atlantis a lot more seriously. It was ... Something happened. Like, in the 1960s, there was a lot of legitimate scientific work being done on, like the ... in the Azores region, looking at the possibility of subversion, and, uh, can, can there be large parts of land that sink? And then something happened where i- it's like the, the establishment just turned on it, and it became this pseudo-term. And anyone who mentioned it was kind of dismissed and, and, and shaken off in the same way that, you know, they're treating guys like Hancock and, uh-

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:55

       Mm.

   19. BKBen van Kerkwyk29:55

       ... with his ancient, uh, apocalypse series on now.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:58

       Yeah.

   21. BKBen van Kerkwyk29:58

       But I don't know, I don't know specifically what happened, but it used to be taken a lot more seriously. And there's certainly a lot of, uh, evidence coming from prior cultures that something did exist. And I think now we've, we've got a massive body of evidence to suggest how-... our history as a species and as a civilization goes way back, much further than, than what we've thought about as being our own history. Since, you know, f- s-... I mean, right up until 2006, we pretty much thought, nope, the last 6,000 years, that's when we stopped being cavemen and became... you know, started building cities and s- organized societies and things like that. And that's- the whole game has changed now.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       I think the gatekeepers of academia, you know, just the stuff that you two gentlemen put on your YouTube pages should r- open up fields of inquiry. People should be c- oh, reaching out to you. They should be having you speak at universities. They should be watching your videos. They should be like, "Oh my God. Like look at all this actual evidence." Not speculation. Mm-hmm. Not like... Look, you're looking at physical geological evidence, physical erosion evidence, and then all the stuff with the structure that lines up exactly with the stories of Atlantis. It's fucking wild. Yeah.

   23. JCJimmy Corsetti31:07

       It's, it's one of these things. Like I'm a very open-minded person. I'm not... I can't say like with 100% certainty. I mean, anything's possible.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:13

       Of course.

   25. JCJimmy Corsetti31:13

       But even... But I'm like, there's so many similarities that if nothing else, it shouldn't be ignored. The, the... Off the West Coast should be drilled and, and run with s- uh, some LiDAR to see what's going on underneath that s- uh, sediment. And not only that, like let's just pretend, okay, Atlantis never existed, the Richite's not it. Well then, let's like focus in then on why is this catastrophic water erosion going through the Sahara 60 million years more recently than it was supposed to? There's another image in there, Jamie, that shows where the Trans-Saharan Seaway went and it does not reflect it going west over the Western Sahara. So I'm like, in the context of climate science, I'm like, this should be discussed. Wh- why is nobody talking about the Sahara was green potentially 4,500 years ago, which is by the way, the same alleged date as the Great Pyramids construction in Giza 4,500 years ago?

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       (laughs)

   27. JCJimmy Corsetti32:00

       So check this out. As you can see, it does not, uh, annotate the water erosion going west over the Richite. But as we just showed, it clearly did.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:09

       Mm.

   29. JCJimmy Corsetti32:09

       And this was based on a 20-year study. Wonderful people did this. I don't know, I have no explanation for why it- they don't annotate it going west, but it clearly did. And not only that, it went, uh, east of Niger, uh, along Chad, which, you know, I showed you the water erosion along the volcano. So what I'm suggesting is that either something else separate happened or they just missed something because again, the Sahara is a big s- place and they can only search so many places.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:32

       When they did this, did they have the sort of satellite imagery that are available today?
10. 38:56 – 41:36

    Global megalithic parallels and the dating problem: Japan–Egypt similarities and “stone can’t be carbon-dated”

    1. JRJoe Rogan38:56

       Another video of yours that I watched today was a video that showed the similarities, not just between pyramids, but between construction methods all over the world. In Japan, I had no idea that they had made the sarcophagus covers in Japan-

    2. JCJimmy Corsetti39:12

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:12

       ... that were exactly the same shape-

    4. JCJimmy Corsetti39:15

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan39:15

       ... as the one... And odd, oddly shaped, exactly the shame as the o- as j- same as the ones they made in Egypt.

    6. JCJimmy Corsetti39:21

       And in a place there is supposed to be zero connection between ancient Japan and ancient Egypt. That's not supposed to exist. And if you compare that sarcophagus work, it's like it looks unbeliev- uncannily similar.

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:32

       Impossible, a- almost impossible that two people would come up with the same design.

    8. JCJimmy Corsetti39:36

       Right. Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan39:36

       Because the... It's, it's like coming up with, you know, p- it's... I don't know m- I mean, I don't have a good... Like, if someone... Like, this lighter, if someone b- I mean, this is an unusually shaped lighter, the way the top pops, the...

    10. JCJimmy Corsetti39:49

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan39:49

        If someone just coincidentally, without any internet, came up with this on the other side of the planet, you'd be like, "How the fuck? It's so oddly shaped."

    12. JCJimmy Corsetti39:57

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan39:57

        Like, the button's in the same place. The lid's in the same place. There's no way.

    14. JCJimmy Corsetti40:01

        Right.

    15. BKBen van Kerkwyk40:01

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan40:01

        That's what it looks like to me. And the fact that it took an enormous amount of effort to make and move and put it into place, 'cause you're talking about incredibly heavy stone.

    17. BKBen van Kerkwyk40:11

        And hard stone.

    18. JRJoe Rogan40:12

        Yes.

    19. BKBen van Kerkwyk40:12

        Like, that's the other people don't appreciate just how hard this igneous stone is that these things are made from. Like, granite, granodiorite, syenite, like, these are... It's harder than steel. Like, it's, it's... You know, there's 6.5, 7 on the Mohs scale. Uh, it's, it's incredible work. Like...

    20. JRJoe Rogan40:26

        And the fact that these similar construction methods existed in Peru-

    21. BKBen van Kerkwyk40:30

        Yep.

    22. JRJoe Rogan40:31

        ... they existed in Egypt-

    23. BKBen van Kerkwyk40:32

        Eastern Ireland.

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:32

        ... they existed in Japan-

    25. BKBen van Kerkwyk40:34

        Right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:34

        ... and we don't know how old stone is.

    27. JCJimmy Corsetti40:36

        Right.

    28. BKBen van Kerkwyk40:37

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan40:37

        That's what's really wacky. When we talk about, like, carbon dating, they're not carbon dating stone.

    30. JCJimmy Corsetti40:42

        Nope.
11. 41:36 – 51:54

    The precision-vase ‘smoking gun’: scans, thousandth-inch tolerances, and machine-like symmetry

    1. BKBen van Kerkwyk41:36

       ... and so they try and tie... And literally with the Great Pyramid, very little evidence, there's like a s- a... this big statue of him that they found down in the Valley Temple, nowhere near it, and then there's a, a glyph on the inside. There's a lot of controversy around that. But there, uh, there are some of these artifacts they do for that reason, because they, they date a lot of stuff based on the site that they found it. So, if there's organic material at the site that they found it, and what's been... I've found it's, it's a kind of like a smoking gun piece in all of this, is all the vases. So if... Are you familiar with the-

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:06

       Yes.

    3. BKBen van Kerkwyk42:06

       ... incredible stone vases-

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:07

       Yes.

    5. BKBen van Kerkwyk42:07

       ... that they make in Egypt?

    6. JRJoe Rogan42:08

       Yes. Yes. Please talk about them.

    7. BKBen van Kerkwyk42:09

       Yeah. So they... In, in... There is a, a collection of these things. They're made from igneous stone. They're... And Jamie have got a few pictures of the vases in that vase directory. And they date back... They're... It's... What's interesting to me about these is, is that they, they, they're some of the earliest types of, uh, artifacts that we find. They stretch back far into what we'd call pre-dynastic time, basically Mesolithic times. Uh, right back to even 15,000 years ago, there was a site called Toshka, um, that, uh, that was dug up. It's underwater now. But in this... And it was a primitive burial. There was a guy, uh, that was b- curled up in his, in his burial site on the side.

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:43

       Go back to that, Jamie, the one, the thin card one.

    9. BKBen van Kerkwyk42:45

       Yes.

    10. JRJoe Rogan42:46

        What is it? What's going on there?

    11. BKBen van Kerkwyk42:46

        So this is an example, and these vases display just astonishing aspects of precision and engineering. So this is an example of just how thin this material is. So it's igneous stone. This might be porphyry or something like this, a very, very hard stone, very hard to work, but also brittle when it becomes thin. You can see the giant crystal occlusions, those, the white marks in it. This stuff becomes brittle, yet it's been worked down to this thinness, because this one's been damaged and you can see how thin that interior-

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:13

        Mm.

    13. BKBen van Kerkwyk43:14

        ... wall is. Petrie, Flinders Petrie is the, the great Egyptologist, the first guy to really start applying engineering principles from the industrial age to this stuff. He found one, he talks about one in his work that was 1/40 of an inch thick.

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:26

        Whoa.

    15. BKBen van Kerkwyk43:26

        ... a 40th of an inch thick. And the, the interesting thing about these vases, there's 50,000 plus of them were discovered beneath the Step Pyramid of Djoser. Uh, he collected them all up and even in the museum, that's at Saqqara, they talk about, "Yeah, this is so... I've been down underneath the Step Pyramid, this is a fragment of a, of one of these vases that I found you can handle down there." And even in the museum there, they talk about, "Well, these... He didn't have them made. H- These were inherited objects from earlier times." Like, they, they get the concept right.

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:54

        Wow.

    17. BKBen van Kerkwyk43:55

        And so these things stretch back, way back into time. There's pre-dynastic artifacts from pre-dynastic burials. But there's always these sort of arguments, "Well, can you do this by hand, can you not?" Um, and so recently there's been some work done. I've been working with a couple of guys, um, the son of, uh, Christopher Dunn, who wrote some real seminal, uh, textbooks on ancient Egyptian technology. His son, Alex, uh, and Nick Sierra, they're, uh, qualif- like professional metrologists. They works, they work for Rolls-Royce in Indianapolis. They, uh, they make like, you know, aerospace parts, turbine blades, things like that. They've got their hands on a pre-dynastic Egyptian vase, and for the first time, they've actually been able to scan this thing using a structured light scanner and define the specific elements of precision on it. And it's just astounding. Like this is... This, this puts the whole concept of, "Can these even remotely been made by hand?" to bed. Like, these things had to have been made on a machine and made with extreme precision. Because this vase that is, is pre-dynastic... This is a, a picture of the vase here that they found in, in a private collection. Because I should say, generally, archeologists, Egyptologists, they're not engineers. They're not particularly interested in sort of how things were manufactured. So what, what they've done is they've taken this and put this in a machine and it, it, it's a structured light scanner, so it creates like a point cloud of different lights, and then you match a geometric shape to it, be that like a, a flat plane, a cylinder, a sphere, a, a cone. And then you can perform sort of geometric, um, calculations on it and define things like precision. So if you go back to that f- uh, the surface A, the vase lip, right? So this is... You can see down on the bottom, they've, they've created a, uh, a point cloud of the top of this lip, so the flatness. And it's, they've called this Surface A. It's comprised of 3,813, uh, points and it's within three thousandths of an inch o- of being basically perfectly flat.

    18. JRJoe Rogan45:46

        Wow.

    19. BKBen van Kerkwyk45:46

        But that's-

    20. JRJoe Rogan45:47

        Three thousandths of an inch?

    21. BKBen van Kerkwyk45:48

        Three thousandths of an inch.

    22. JRJoe Rogan45:49

        And this is over who knows how many thousands of years-

    23. BKBen van Kerkwyk45:52

        Well-

    24. JRJoe Rogan45:52

        ... of erosion and sand and dust and wind and-

    25. BKBen van Kerkwyk45:56

        Exactly. It's, it's at least 5,000 years old. I, I suspect this could be far older than that. Now, what's interesting once you start doing this, and if you go to the next one, Jamie, you now, he's now... Now, we're looking at the, the lip. So this... You take a cylinder and you match... You basically take 10,000 points plus and you match the, the, the inside, the mouth of the vase to a cylinder. And what you can now measure that against the other surface. So if you think of like the top of it as being like the X axis, this is now your Y axis. So that first symbol here, the perpendicular symbol, what you sh- what it's showing is that how perpendicular is this cylinder on its axis relative to the top of the vase, the Surface A that's on the top, within one thousandth of an inch.

    26. JRJoe Rogan46:37

        One thousandth?

    27. BKBen van Kerkwyk46:38

        So it's perfectly perpendicular to within one thousandth of an inch of the top of the vase. And then the second reading here shows you how perfectly s- what's the circular error, like what's the circularity of it's within 13 thousandths of an inch of being perfectly circular.

    28. JRJoe Rogan46:53

        How are you gonna do that by hand?

    29. BKBen van Kerkwyk46:54

        You, you... Well, you can't. This is, this is the thing, and if you, you go-

    30. JRJoe Rogan46:57

        You literally can't?
12. 51:54 – 1:10:34

    Tube drills and machining marks: Petrie’s Core #7 and the spiral-groove controversy

    1. BKBen van Kerkwyk51:54

       Yes. Y- uh, there is. So this is a whole other discussion when you get into the depths of, of, of this work. So when you look at ancient Egypt and the way it gets treated, they found tools. And I should say, it's very rare to find metal in the ancient world, right? As soon as the Bronze Age starts, any metal, super precious, gets smelted down, turned into tools, weapons, things like that. So it's very rare to find metal in general. But across ancient Egypt, they found a bunch of tools so they found some, you know, copper chisels, bronze chisels, very primitive stuff. Uh, some wooden, you know, squares and plumb bobs, uh, pounding stones, flint chisels. So those are the tools that are found and in general, it's like, the, the, uh, the orthodoxy here and the academia will do everything they can to just hammer everything you find into this, into this box and say, "These are the tools we found, so therefore, everything's made by these tools." Now, outside of that, there's a whole realm of what I would call machining marks that exist all over these sites in Egypt. There's a place called Abusir that's been closed to the public for more than a hundred years. You have to get special permission to go there. It's one of my favorite sites. It's an old kingdom site, like fifth dynasty. And all over this site, you find amazing evidence for massive circular saws. You see machining marks. There are, there are these tube drills. I'd, I've got like, an hour-long documentary just on the tube drills because there's been an argument going on for a hundred and fifty years about the tube drills. There is evidence for very sophisticated and powerful tools that is etched into these artifacts from the very earliest points in Egypt all over the place. And d- a lot of these things, they disappear in later periods of time.

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:26

       Go back to that image, Jimmy the, Jamie had just had a look at that.

    3. BKBen van Kerkwyk53:28

       Yeah. So here's an example. Um, I, I, I didn't send you any of the machining marks but I can show them to you at some point. Um, yeah, so you, you find, uh, the tube drills are really interesting because it's a very thin tool and, and what they would do, they range in size from like, a half inch up to nine inches.

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:44

       And are those plugs that were removed-

    5. BKBen van Kerkwyk53:46

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan53:46

       ... from the stone?

    7. BKBen van Kerkwyk53:47

       So it's like a hollow, a hollow tool that gets, that gets cut down and then you snap off the core. And now Flinders Petrie, uh, he was, uh, are you familiar with Petrie? He was, he was around like, late 1800s, early 1900s. I, I use his work a lot in the stuff that I do because he was the first guy to apply engineering principles to what we saw. Which is kind of this meta point that messes with my head a bit, in that it took our civilization up to the Industrial Age to even be able to put some of this stuff into context. Like, anyone else that looked at this stuff before we understood what machining was, what working in the stone was, what it looks like to cut stone with a circular saw, we, you just, you don't have the context to explain it so we had to get to the Industrial Age and develop sort of, mass manufacture and engineering for us to even recognize what we're seeing here.

    8. JRJoe Rogan54:33

       Wow.

    9. BKBen van Kerkwyk54:34

       So he, he found, uh, there's a famous core, it's called Petrie's Core Number Seven and it was, it's a, it's a drill core from one of these holes. It's in granite and it's located in the Petrie Museum and it, this museum is one that actually allows research appointments and you can analyze it and it's been analyzed several times. There's been an argument that's been going for literally 150 years about this core because what Petrie found and what Chris Dunn-

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:56

        There it is right there.

    11. BKBen van Kerkwyk54:56

        ... Chris Dunn later verified, yeah, that's Petrie's Core Number Seven exactly right there. That, in fact, might even be Chris Dunn's photo. Um, those spiral groo- that groove that goes around it, very obvious striations, right?

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:07

        Mm-hmm.

    13. BKBen van Kerkwyk55:08

        So it's been incontrovertibly shown that that's a spiral. It's a, it's a spiral so it, it's not like just horizontal striation so if you can imagine the way we do it today with our, we have tube drills and core drills, spins really fast, makes lots of little marks. There's been studies done looking at those, at those sort of marks. That's not what we're seeing here. What we see here is a continuous spiral groove of at least two points so it's, it's a twin spiral that runs down the length of the core. Now-... from that and analyzing that, you can determine a few things. Things like how f- h- fast was this drill or how, how quickly was this drill penetrating the granite? And Petrie and Dunn both analyzed it and looked at it. Well, it's about a one in 60 rate, so for each, say, 60 inches of horizontal travel, it's going one inch into the stone. So imagine that, so if you-

    14. JRJoe Rogan55:56

        Go back to that.

    15. BKBen van Kerkwyk55:56

        ... if you take a s- take a spiral and, and straighten it out-

    16. JRJoe Rogan55:59

        Mm-hmm.

    17. BKBen van Kerkwyk55:59

        ... like, and you just imagine, right, 60 inches this way, you're getting one inch of vertical travel. That, that figure is 500 times greater than we can achieve today in terms of how qu- how, how, how fast it penetrates the granite.

    18. JRJoe Rogan56:13

        500 times greater?

    19. BKBen van Kerkwyk56:14

        500 times. Now, it, it mo- it doesn't mean it cut quicker. It could've been moving slowly, like it might've been turning slowly.

    20. JRJoe Rogan56:19

        Right.

    21. BKBen van Kerkwyk56:20

        But it's penetrating the granite at a rate far greater than what we can achieve with our technology today. (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan56:27

        Wow.

    23. JCJimmy Corsetti56:27

        This is why it's so important to bring outside eyes into this.

    24. JRJoe Rogan56:30

        Yeah.

    25. JCJimmy Corsetti56:30

        Whether it's an aerospace engineer. Like, this is ... You know, going back to Troy, that was discovered by a businessman. He wasn't an archeologist. That's something that most people don't know.

    26. BKBen van Kerkwyk56:38

        Mm-hmm.

    27. JCJimmy Corsetti56:38

        It's like when you bring an outside set of eyes with different sets of experiences, they'll pick up on things that others wouldn't.

    28. BKBen van Kerkwyk56:44

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:44

        Look at that image. The, the, the ... All the spiral lines around that. That's just amazing.

    30. BKBen van Kerkwyk56:50

        Yeah, so you can go there, and I intend to do this. I might be in the UK this year and I intend to do that. It's called the cotton wrap test. You can actually, under a little microscope, run a piece of cotton through that groove.

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