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(drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast,…
- JRJoe Rogan
(drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- MGMike Glover
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Salute, my friend. Cheers.
- MGMike Glover
Salute.
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh, there you go. Great to meet you.
- MGMike Glover
Nice meeting you, man. Thanks for having me on.
- JRJoe Rogan
Probably not a good idea to stuff our fat faces with Terry Black's Barbecue before we come here though. (laughs)
- MGMike Glover
I should take a nap right now. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm, I'm... I gotta brick in my stomach.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah, it's awesome.
- JRJoe Rogan
Those beef ribs are insane.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God, that place is so good. That's the one thing that I... Uh, y- you know, Texas barbecue will fucking ruin you. There's only a few other places you can go where you can get barbecue of that caliber, you know.
- MGMike Glover
It's insane. All the wood they have staged for everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah.
- MGMike Glover
That, that's pretty amazing.
- JRJoe Rogan
I got an offset smoker for the first time, this, uh, company Cen-Tex Barbecue, they, they built me this grill. And, uh, I never... I always cooked on a Traeger, which I love, 'cause it's so convenient, y- you know.
- MGMike Glover
Oh, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can see it on your phone, you know what the temperature is.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So... But this, I did it like the old school way, like b- burnt the logs in the off- the offset smoker, regulated it with the dampers, got the temperature up to like 250 degrees, put the steaks on, smoked the steaks till I got them to 110 internal temperature and then seared them. They have this, like a charcoal grill on the side. Oh my God, it's insane. It's the best.
- MGMike Glover
See what you've started; your carnivore diet.
- JRJoe Rogan
There it is right there, that's... So they made me this little, little charcoal grill on the side, and then the other one, if you go backwards, that's the actual grill itself. That guy did a fucking tremendous job. It's like a real work of art, it's-
- MGMike Glover
Oh, hell yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it's, it's incredible, uh, like, just the craftsmanship.
- MGMike Glover
What's it called? Cen-
- JRJoe Rogan
Cen-Tex.
- MGMike Glover
Cen-Tex.
- JRJoe Rogan
Central Texas.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
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Yeah. …
- MGMike Glover
You still need treatment. You need care.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MGMike Glover
Comprehensive care, but we're not, we're not getting that.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so the, the fear is that you could get labeled, because of your experiences, you could get labeled as being, uh, w- would they say impaired or incompetent and they could take away your right to carry a firearm?
- MGMike Glover
Yeah, 'cause the, the red flags law or the, the proposal for the red flags law is anybody who is deemed mentally unfit to carry a firearm or to buy a firearm-
- JRJoe Rogan
Isn't that subjective?
- MGMike Glover
Very subjective. So, and, and here's the thing, like, if you're looking at a, a packet and the packet that comes forward, it says, "Green Beret sniper," and he's killed a lot of people and he has posttraumatic stress, who's more dangerous to society? Th- that guy or a guy who's got anxiety or depression?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MGMike Glover
It's gonna be the Green Beret killer.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MGMike Glover
Um, I, I ha- I applied for a job when I got out of the military to do kind of, like, the Department of Energy working, uh, the power plants and, and security. It was, like, a security manager position. I had a degree in, um, uh, army m- uh, I got my degree, my bachelor's degree, at the m- uh, American Military University and got a homeland security degree, which was- this wa- this was a prerequisite for this job. And when I, when I applied for that job, I submitted my resima- resume not knowing better and outlining what I did, and it said I was a sniper and all this stuff. And I thought it was, like, cool guy stuff that, like, people would respect that in the civilian world.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MGMike Glover
I didn't get that job. And I had nearly 20 years of experience in crisis, counterterrorism, and risk mitigation, all these things at a very high level, I had a bachelor's degree, and I was overqualified for the position, and I didn't get it. One of my buddies who was sitting on the board for that job said they thought it was high liability that I was a sniper and applying for that job because he kills people and that's a bad thing. And so, eh, when I think about these red flag laws and if this, um, eh, depending on who it is, call it whatever, X administration, everybody who's labeled, "You have PTSD," you're screwed. You're not gonna be able to have a, a gun. You're not even gonna be able to buy a gun, and that's a problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
High, like, uh, so, uh, the... Wow. So if you're hiring someone to do security, so you're hiring someone to protect you from potential armed threats, wouldn't you want someone who has experience with potential armed threats?
- MGMike Glover
E-
- JRJoe Rogan
Wouldn't you want someone who's experienced gunfights?
- MGMike Glover
Yeah, and so, and I think the, the overall problem is, like, when th- when they asked me if I had posttraumatic stress, they're like, "Based on our evaluation of you and what you're saying, you have PTSD." And I said I didn't agree, and so I got it to where they said, "Okay, you have TBI and the symptoms are associated with PTSD." I guess I can give you a thumbs up with that. I guess that's what I'll take.
- JRJoe Rogan
So how do they define PTSD 'cause there's gotta be m- many layers or many levels of that, right? So if you're saying it's posttraumatic stress disorder, like, what makes it a disorder? Like, obviously you've experienced stress. Obviously you've seen trauma. You've obviously been in war and combat, but what, how do they define PTSD?
- MGMike Glover
It's a questionnaire.So, they... Just like many things in the military or in the system, it's based off a questionnaire and guidelines. So, if you, if you get too many answers o- on the questionnaire wrong, then you'll be labeled as somebody who has PTSD.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, what kind of questions?
- MGMike Glover
But it's very subjective. It's, "Have you been to combat?" "Yes." Okay, now we're getting deeper down the funnel or the rabbit hole. "Have you killed anybody in combat?" "Yes." "Have you had nightmares?" So, here's a, here's a subjective one. Andy Stump talked about this as well, um, on his podcast, but if you say, "Have you had nightmares?" I have dreams and when I have dreams, I'm with the boys going to do what we did. We're going on helicopters, going and killing bad guys. Uh, combat for me in those dreams isn't a terrifying thing. It's like w- what I... where I wanted to be. It was fun. It wasn't, it wasn't difficult. It was easier than civilian life. I don't have to worry about bills and drama with re- relationships. All these things, it's very simplified. Okay, well, that's subjective because you're saying you have dreams about combat, that's nightmares. Because there's not a, there's not a part on the answer that could say, "Hey, he's having dreams, but they're not night, uh, ter- night terror dreams about combat and dying," so he could be labeled somebody who has PTSD because of that. Like, I have buddies who answer the questionnaire who don't have PTSD. I don't think I have PTSD. Do I have transitional issues? Certainly. I served... Uh, the analogy is like a, a dog. If a dog in the military serves for 20 years, and then you take that dog who's used to biting people's asses, sniffing out bombs, getting blown up in combat, training as a protocol, and then you transition them to the living room and it's your house pet, that shit's not gonna work. There's gonna be a transitional period. Give me a buffer. Give me some time to kind of unscrew my systems, get back to a normal protocol that's civilian life, and then question me. But they're questioning these guys right after they get out and, of course, they're gonna be fucked up. Of course, they're gonna be all screwed up. And legitimately, some guys have PTSD. They've been blown up in the one moment. But most of the guys that I know, Jack Hart, Tim Kennedy, all these guys that I served with at pretty high levels, we don't have PTSD. We, we, we profoundly enjoyed our experience. Uh, there's nothing traumatic. I'm not shivering underneath my blanket worried, uh, concerned about war. I'm actually more having nightmares about missing out on those kind of efforts with guys that I served with who are, you know, c- uh, certainly s- uh, still serving.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's such an interesting perspective for people who haven't served. The idea that you feel like you're missing out on it or... And I appreciate your honesty saying that it was fun or saying that it's easier than civilian life.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah. It's... The first thing... Like, I, I, I transitioned out of the military in, in a contract, or with the Central Intelligence Agency, and it was a smack in the face because... You know, call it a brotherhood, call it tribe, call it whatever you want. I had a great run with amazing human beings. What I noticed when I went from the military to waking up in an air mattress on a... in an apartment in, in, uh, San Antonio is civilian life sucks. There... Where do you go for connectivity for tribe? If you don't belong to a dojo, if you don't belong to a gym, um, if you don't go to a church, then you don't have that feeling of purpose-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- MGMike Glover
... and that feeling of community. So, I went from a place where my family were the teammates that I served with and transitioned into civilian life where everybody's worried about their own game. They're very selfish. I mean, y-... For the first time li- likely in the history of our country, you don't know your neighbors. You don't know who's in the apartment next door to you. You're, you're escaping trying to even interact with those people and it's fucking depressing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- MGMike Glover
So, so, um, I thought the military experience for me was easy. Um, and a lot of guys who come back and have to deal with bills, relationships, all the shit that civilians deal with, that's hard, and that's the difficulty. It's not necessarily a traumatic experience in one moment in time that took place that is the PTSD. It's like getting kicked in the dick every day being a civilian, um, when you didn't have to before 'cause you have everything, you know, at your fingertips. Um, that would give you PTSD if you didn't have it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm. Have you ever read, uh, Sebastian Junger's book, Tribe?
- MGMike Glover
Great book.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
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Jesus. And wh- what…
- MGMike Glover
don't know you, you can't get a job, uh, you don't have tools, you don't wanna bug your teammates who are doing the job right now, what- what do you have left? Well, you look at yourself as a burden, and you check out, and that's what a lot of guys are doing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus. And wh- what about, like, giving you... Uh, did- do they- they give you any counseling on how to deal with some of the more traumatic experiences of the military, how to get over it? Like, if they think you have PTSD or they think you have, like, some nightmares, night terrors, do they give you any sort of counseling on how to, how to mitigate those issues, how to calm yourself down or...
- MGMike Glover
Zero.
- JRJoe Rogan
Zero.
- MGMike Glover
When I was in. There are some good programs now being kind of run, but I would say it's mostly...Look, the- the war machine is just that. There's an incentive to go to war, and the guys who wanna go to war are gonna find ways to go to war. If you come back from war and you do a questionnaire and they say, "Do you have problems, especially mental health issues?" And you say anything, you're gonna be pulled from the team. So, you're not even gonna be sitting on the bench. You're gonna be pulled from the team. You're gonna be put in some staff job while you get counseling. Everybody's gonna ridicule you. They don't even have to say anything. You- you just know they- they are hating on you.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, everybody knows this in advance?
- MGMike Glover
Everybody knows this in advance. So, it's not- there's no incentive to raise your hand and say, "I'm having problems."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- MGMike Glover
And- and most, I would say, don't have the tools to self-identify if they're having problems. E- even in myself and a lot of the guys I served with, when we were drinking a little bit too much, or when we're using Ambien to go to sleep because we can't sleep, all these things we thought were normal 'cause we're part of the culture. And then when you kind of separate from that, you- you get your shit together, if you're lucky, you look back and go, "Damn, I was really fucked up. I was really screwed up."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm. So, when you got out, and how do you transition into Field Craft Survival? Like, how much time was it, like, from being in the CIA? When did you decide to start doing this?
- MGMike Glover
So, I- I- I was down range with- with the government in Pakistan, and my riding partner was a Navy SEAL, and he was the brother of, um, uh, Owens, Ryan Owens, who was killed in a hostage rescue with SEAL Team Six. Um, and we were kind of looking at our lives and assessing everything, and I was- you know, I was a babysitter for case officers. Like, it's- like, 13 Hours in Benghazi does depict the job well, and, uh, there's some accuracies there. But that ob- that obvious catastrophe is unique. That- the actual job every day is mundane, it's boring, but it's necessary. I was just fucking done, man. I was like, "Dude, I'm tired of babysitting fucking people." I was a- I was a Reserve Sergeant Major here in B-Caves. Big shout out to 19th Special Forces Group and Special Operations Detachment Africa. I was actually Tim Kennedy's boss as J3 Sergeant Major. And so I was going down range with the agency, flying back, turning around, putting on a different uniform, and deploying overseas to Africa, then coming back, putting on a different uniform, and then going back overseas. I had no life. So, I said, "I need to start something for myself," and survival was that thing. But not like Naked and Afraid survival, not like bushcraft shit. Um, when I think about survival, I think of modern survival, like what do you do, uh, to be better prepared, um, to deal with shit that's- that's statistically probable? The vehicle accident, all that shit. Um, so I started the concept in- in Pakistan, got back from that trip, and resigned everything. I said, "I'm fucking done." Hung it up, and then I remember the- the first day of going, "Holy fuck, this is me." Like, whatever I do right here right now, it's all up to me. I had $25,000 of big baller contracting money to- to go to work, and that's where I kicked it off.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, you just started from scratch, like, "Let's make this work, 'cause we have to."
- MGMike Glover
That's- that's it. I- I- I had no options at that point, 'cause I had no fucking life. I mean, my life up until that point was serving in a military or government contracting capacity and chasing the fucking rainbow. That's what I was doing.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you just realized you couldn't do that very much longer?
- MGMike Glover
I realized, like looking at teammates that were 50-plus years old who were making $50,000 a trip going back home, blowing it on- on dumb shit, buying the next Harley, the next pickup truck, getting broke, and then coming back, doing it again for decades. That's not the overall experience for most, but seeing that, I was like, "I don't want that. I want a life." I wanted a family as well.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so, how difficult was it to sort of craft this Field Craft Survival program and- and then to get it out there, to get it to the point where now it's like, it's a big thing on social media, and you've got a- a huge following and a lot of videos with a lot of views and it's very popular. But like, what was that like to try to get that launch? 'Cause you were essentially starting from zero.
- MGMike Glover
Dude, it's the hardest fucking thing in the... And like, it is- there- one, there's not a survival industry, right? If you think survival, most people think Naked- Naked and Afraid bushcraft-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MGMike Glover
... rubbing sticks and shit together in the woods. So, the idea of modern survival didn't exist. So, we knew we were pioneering kind of a new thing, and every business advice that I got was, "Uh, don't do that 'cause it's too much. It's too much shit." Also, when you look at, um, preparedness as a whole, it's got a bad stereotype. The tinfoil hat shit, right? So, I had a lot of stigmas to break, stereotypes to- to- to break through, and then I had to create a protocol. Um, one of the first things that I did was I read a book, uh, called Survival Psychology by John Leach, which talked about the reason people live and the reason people die. And I was super interested. Limited information out there on survival psychology, by the way. Uh, John Leach described the reason people live and p- people die, and the sum up was a formula he called 10/80/10. Have you ever heard of 10/80/10?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- MGMike Glover
So, 10/80/10 is the demographic of people broken down by percentage in population of all the case studies he s- he did of catastrophes. Um, ships sinking, massive fires, all kinds of shit. And he determined that 10% of the population of most disasters survive.And the reason they survive is because they make rapid decisions, they adapt in real time, and they come from lines of work where that's necessary; the military, law enforcement, teachers. People who are cognitive, under stress, in the moment, and make the right decision. 80% of the population is broken down about 50/50. They're guys who, like, who have good intent, they make the decision, but on a second floor fire, they run to the third floor, they jump out and they fall on their fucking head. Right? They plan- they had a plan, but it just didn't work out for them. And then the bottom 10% is the bottom of the barrel where 10% of every catastrophe, people are just gonna fucking die. They're just gonna do some-... They're gonna jump off the boat when the boat's sinking, not realizing or forgetting they can't swim. And they hand out life preservers to everybody else but themselves, they jump in the water and they fucking drown. So, when I assess this, I started looking at psychology, statistical probability, and I realized I needed to create something in the preparedness world that was realistic. 'Cause a lot of guys, they talk about things in, you know, the apocalypse, the, um, the worst case scenario. What I wanted to do is, is kind of sum it up to, uh, a question I had, and this was my business kind of, uh, hypothesis: Why do special operators go out and do the most dangerous missions in the world and survive? Like, if you, if you took me and my team in 2007 under Task Force 16, we were working with JSOC. So you got 22SAS British operators, you got SEAL Team 6, you got The Unit, you got Ranger Regiment, and you got the Commanders and Extremist Force, which I was a member of. They're going out every night with good intelligence of Al-Qaeda and crushing dudes. Like, crushing dudes. Um, in that trip, we lost a couple SAS guys, so the British commander came out and gave this go to war speech. We all had our kit on and, in that moment, we thought we were gonna get like a memorial speech. Like, "Hey man, this, the, we lost these guys." It wasn't that. It was a go to war speech. It was like, "People die in combat. This shit happens. Get your kit on. Let's go out and kill everybody." And I'm like, "Holy shit." And so, we would go out every night and prosecute targets with, like, 99.9% success rate of not having casualties on target. So, the question would be, well, how can we do that? Most people think being in special operations is a dangerous job. It's actually not. So, being a cook, um, in 101st Airborne Division, and you're told to get on a .50 cal and go down a main supply route because we don't have anybody else, that's a dangerous job. But when you plan, when you cont- uh, plan for things to go wrong and contingencies, when you're fit because that's part of your culture, when you fight, that's part of your culture, when you, uh, look at the equipment, and you pay attention to all these things that matter, it's a lifestyle. So, if people want to be better prepared, I came to the understanding that it- they have to live the lifestyle. This shit can't be a, a hobby. We were talking about, like, uh, new guys getting guns before. If a new guy gets a gun and they think that gun is gonna solve their problems, if they go out and get a go bag with all the cool shit 'cause they buy it off the shelf at REI and throw it in the trunk of their car, but they haven't integrated it into their lives, trained it, used it in education, taught it to their kids, then it's a tool that's not likely gonna be utilized, so we needed to redefine that culture. We needed to create it from fucking scratch is what we did.
- JRJoe Rogan
And does that culture in- include, like, an exercise program? Does it include, like, a mindset program?
- MGMike Glover
Yeah. It's all of that. So we do, we do online training, we do in-person training, um, we offer products, we do it all. Um, for example, we just did a, uh, family preparedness program called 62 named after the, um, Homestead Act of 1862. It's a long form online course, 12 weeks long, where we teach people, um, in the academics how to can, how to jar, how to defend yourself, how to treat a wound, how to maintain situational awareness, all that shit, which is very comprehensive. We even teach people how to homeschool their kids. I mean, homeschooling your kids, um, up until recently wasn't a thing. It's increased I think 10%, uh, since 2016, uh, which-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it increased a lot during the pandemic.
- MGMike Glover
Increased a lot during the pandemic. That 10% is like $56 billion of savings to the American taxpayer. Um, and a lot of people are insourcing this, but these tools that we teach breed self-reliance where you don't have to depend on systems and institutions. You can depend on yourself, so it's all that.
- JRJoe Rogan
And what program do you use to, like, when you, when you're saying you teach how to homeschool your kids, like, what are you using as a curriculum and, like, how are you devising that?
- MGMike Glover
So Amber... So we, we have an app coming out in June, um, uh, I have a book called Prepared that launches, and we're hoping to have the app finished by June 6th, uh, which is D-Day when the book drops. When, when that drops, what we hope to have on the app is the core curriculum of academics required for, uh, in-home education. It won't translate across all the states 'cause some states are stricter on homeschooling than others. In Utah, you could teach your own curriculum as you want. Where Amber lives in Louisiana, the same thing applies. So math, science, arithmetic, a-all the basic skill sets are gonna be taught on the app, and then including...... ideas around self reliance, like how to make a fire, how to build a shelter, uh, what happens if you're wounded or you get in an accident. All those things we want to teach, similar to what, um, Tim Kennedy's doing at his school, but doing it for the online homeschool mom. Um, that, that's also preparedness education as well.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, how did it come up, uh, that this was being labeled by the government as potential terrorists?
- MGMike Glover
Oh, lord. Oh, man. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause when I read that, I was like, "This has got to be a mistake." Like this has got to be just a misinterpretation of what, what you guys are doing.
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- MGMike Glover
can depend on each other, they can help people, he- help each other out." So, that kind of manifested itself into a group, a forum, and the FBI analyst, um, that was doing open source, open source searches on intelligence discovered the group and determined that we were extremists-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- MGMike Glover
... and labeled us so. When he did that, he contacted Facebook. The FBI contacted all these social media platforms. My company account got shut down from Shopify. Shopify said, um, "You have 48 hours to get your information and you're gone." So, a multimillion dollar business, gone. No, no way to get it back, no way to contest it or fight it 'cause I don't have millions of dollars and a lawyer to fight it. 48 hours to, to offboard it and it was gone.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- MGMike Glover
Um, the FBI also told Facebook, Facebook banned us on all the traffic. American Contingency got banned and all the shit got shut down. Um, suppressed for years and thinking, like, "What the hell is going on?" I had an insider in Facebook who just got f- laid off during the Meta laid off. He actually, uh, four months ago, before he got laid off, h- I said, "Hey, can you look into American Contingency? A community-based group, a freaking group of good Americans helping each other in a time of crisis. Natural man, manmade disasters." I said, "Can you see if we can get our account back now that this thing's leaked and they've determined I'm not a domestic terrorist?" They called me a, a white supremacist.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- MGMike Glover
They, they... There's actually an article o- on, uh, on a leftist, uh, uh... wrote, like, a 20-page article on a leftist, uh, uh, organization. It's like a .org. USA Today published it, and when the national media picked it up, it spread like wildfire and everything got deleted. When that happened, I said, "Hey, is there a way that we can maybe get our stuff back?" Because they're saying, "We acknowledge it was a mistake," um, th- these guys and this guy, Mike Glover, is not a terrorist. He looked into it and got a response from the India team, fr- from India, that was managing my account that said, "We looked into it and he is a domestic terrorist and we cannot free up this account because he's been labeled a domestic terrorist." How that got determined was likely from the FBI telling everybody, but it still exists today. I mean, it's, uh, today it still exists and I'm walking on eggshells.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, you today are listed as a domestic terrorist.
- MGMike Glover
A domestic... On Facebook, on... Which translates to Instagram, I am listed as a domestic terrorist. I have the screen grab from the, from that conversation from Team India. Ireland was managing my account when it originally got deleted. They offboarded to India, which obviously there's gonna be cultural issues there. I am still labeled a domestic terrorist group with American Contingency, and myself labeled that as well.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, when they do this, do they have to point to any one specific thing that you guys are advocating? Like, how can they just say, "You're a domestic terrorist because you're telling people how to travel from Arizona to Canada on one tank of gas and how, you know, to treat wounds and how to deal with a one-on-one combat situation"? Like, how... What... Uh, don't they have to have one thing they can point to? "Well, Mike Glover said this, so this puts him in that category."
- MGMike Glover
There was some analysis done, um, from Kyle Serafin who, when he did this, he, uh, he screen grabbed some stuff, and it looks like it was just this analyst said it. He was actually rebutted by some guys that I know in the FBI, likely hostage rescue guys that I work with overseas, like good dudes. I mean, the FBI hostage rescue teams are, are great guys. But it was likely...... told and communicated through some kind of agreement between Facebook and the FBI, where they say, "Hey, here's the blacklist." And I can't prove this, but this is... Kyle thinks the same thing. "Here's the blacklist. Blacklist all these guys and all these organizations because they're potentially extremists." I mean, the Three Percenters, the Proud Boys, um, who we are not any of those, we are lumped up in the same exact list as that. And, and it said, it said, "These guys have a low history of violence." And I'm like, "What the fuck does low history of violence (laughs) mean?"
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) .
- MGMike Glover
Like, y- zero should be zero. It's low, but it's zero.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, God (laughs) .
- MGMike Glover
Um, and, and we even had proof. We had to submit proof of January 6th that we weren't involved at all. In fact, I went out and said, "Hey, as a organization, you should be concerned about taking care of your family, defending your family, taking care of your family. Stay the fuck away from, uh, Washington DC." That is literally what we put out, and still that wasn't enough to get us off the list.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's lit-... That... Pfft. You have to prove that you weren't involved-
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in January 6th. How nutty is that?
- MGMike Glover
Crazy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Instead of them showing, "Hey, you were involved in January 6th," you have to go out of your way to show that you weren't where something... Like, that could be the case with every fucking event that happens in the world. Prove that you weren't here, prove that you weren't there.
- MGMike Glover
Well, a lot of the guys who were getting rolled up, they did, they were doing assessments of CCTV cameras and just using facial recognition to identify dudes and just go roll 'em up. And I never thought to ever go there, 'cause I, I... The, the whole thing was fucking dumb to me. But I'm like, "Dude, if... Imagine if I showed up with, with a correlation of, um, hey, this guy's labeled a terrorist. He's on site. Fuck, I'd be the commander of terrorists." I mean, that, that's enough fidelity to get me lined out and go, "This dude's in prison."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- MGMike Glover
I mean, that would've been me.
- JRJoe Rogan
With your background-
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... especially since they've already decided to label you.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's... It's just so nuts to me that you have to prove that you weren't a part of something when there's no evidence that you were. Like, that... Uh, the, the burden being on you to prove that you weren't there is so crazy.
- MGMike Glover
They, the, the guy who wrote this, it's Googleable, but if you, like, if you probably put in Mike Glover domestic terrorist, a couple articles will, will launch. They had pictures of me and a whole bunch of people in Heber City, Utah where my headquarters is at. In those pictures, we were doing community events, raising money for charity. And they were calling, um... They said, like, Green Beret teaching militia.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- 1:00:00 – 1:15:00
But it's just crazy…
- MGMike Glover
is not, should not be seen as extreme. But here's the problem. When I did American Contingency, we had thousands of people onboard, hundreds of thousands of people onboard. And when you have control in a, in the communication to a population, let's say it's, it's my market, but they look at it as, like, that's your militia, they get concerned because the more that you have control or influence, then the scareder they become, the more oversight they want. And that, and that's what we've seen. It's like, the, the more that we talk about preparedness, it, it doesn't have anything to do with that. It's about control.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's just crazy because the influence that you have is influence over people telling them how to take care of themselves. That's all it is.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah. I, I, w- you know, uh, to quote a good buddy, Greg Anderson, um, "No one's coming to save you." Our re- our, our motto is, "You are your own first response."
- JRJoe Rogan
Greg Anderson, the Seattle dude?
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I like that guy.
- MGMike Glover
He's rad, dude. You gotta have him on. He's a, he's a-
- JRJoe Rogan
I have him on.
- MGMike Glover
... he's a rad human being, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
I like following him on Instagram.
- MGMike Glover
Um, yeah, he's dope. He, we're, we're, we're collaborating with his stu- a lot of stuff. One of the missing components that we are missing in our program is jujitsu, and we wanna start American jujitsu program in our program because that's the start point, I think. Um, anyways, Greg is like, "No one's coming to save you." Ours is, "You are your own first response." And we say, "Hey..."Look, you have an officer, average... Let's say it's eight to 12 minutes, average response time of a law enforcement officer, or a first responder, a paramedic EMT. If you cut your... Let's say you cut your femoral artery in a vehicle accident, and you bleed out and die, um, and you could have done something about it, that's important. But if the narrative is shifted, then it's you're not supporting law enforcement, and you're saying law enforcement is bad, and you're anti-government or anti-police, or whatever it is. So, what they're doing is taking all the, the, the communication we have, reversing the narrative to fit their cause, and then using it as a talking point, and, and that's what it's been. Essentially, this analyst at the FBI who did this assessment, he put it out there, immediately got rebutted. I assume it's a hostage rescue guy from their HRT. A guy comes in and goes... And it's anonymous, and he's... And, and you can probably see it on the back end, but he's like, "Hey, I know, I know Glover. I've went through all his stuff." Dude, they, they went through my DD-214, like my military record, and they went into my medical records at Veteran Affairs. It's Kyle, uh, Seraphin's, uh, Sum Up has all the things they did. They looked into my background, pulled my med records to look at my... All the shit that I've been through to determine if I was potentially fucking crazy. And I'm like, "How in... How is this happening right now? And why the fuck are you guys worried about me? There are terrorists you need to worry about. There are investigations that actually matter, and you're fucking with me."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they're trying to ban you from Facebook. Meanwhile, the Taliban has a blue check on Twitter.
- MGMike Glover
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's real.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Taliban bought blue checks on Twitter. There was a whole article about it the other day.
- MGMike Glover
Fucking insane.
- JRJoe Rogan
Which is fucking wild. But, you know, Twitter's the last place you have to worry about now, because, uh, you know, the w- the way Elon's handling things, he's opened it up a lot more to people being able to have free speech. But the idea that you would be labeled a terrorist because you're trying to protect people and give people the option to save themselves, essentially, to get yourself out of harm's way and have the school, the, the schooling, and the, the tools to be able to survive if something goes bad. The idea that that's domestic terrorism is so fucking crazy. Like, I really wish there was a recourse. I, I really wish there was some way for you to not just get everything back, but, uh, like, people... You can't just do that. You can't, you can't just decide that people can't prepare for the worst case scenario and lump them in carelessly and recklessly into terrorist groups because you don't like that idea for some strange reason. Because in your head, you've equated preparedness to, to domestic terrorism, which is so fucking stupid.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? It's like, what, what do they have in common? You know, that they, they both are worried? Like, what, what, what one is worried about is very different than the other. That's like, you know, what does a serial killer and you have in common? Do you both sleep? You both drink water? Like, what the fuck are you saying?
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like... There's a real value in knowing what to do if something goes bad. How many people in that Buffalo freeze could have saved their lives if they had some sort of a prepared plan, if they had a bug-out bag, if they had... Like, a sleeping bag in their car so they didn't freeze to death? People froze to death in their fucking cars.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What if you had something? Some sort of a blanket? Like, I have friends that live in Alaska. They don't go anywhere without something in their car to keep them warm if something goes wrong. You, you get a blown-out tire and you're 100 miles outside of town, you're fucked.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, you're, you're staying put, and you need to stay warm, and those people are ready for that. Like, are they terrorists?
- MGMike Glover
Must be.
- JRJoe Rogan
Are they dem- What the fuck? It's just this nonchalant ability to just recklessly label people, because what? Because they have a military background? Because you, you're, there's little boxes that you wanna check, so you wanna be able to lump them easily into a dismissable, or even worse, uh, uh, you know, a, a marginalized, uh, uh, group of people where you're, you're able to just, like, stop their progress, stop their business, stop their influence? It's fucking crazy. It really is.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah. They... Ted Cruz is the only... I mean, there's been a few. Ted Cruz grilled the FBI director when this shit happened, and Kyle told me it dele- they deleted it the next day. So, it was up on... What, whatever their open source system was, it was up. They deleted it the next day after that was done. Um, but this isn't new. I mean, this has happ-... Like, Ruby Ridge is a good example.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 1:15:00 – 1:20:35
Well, it's like we…
- MGMike Glover
how to have a right mindset." And more and more, we're- we're breaking through those barriers, but it's difficult, because most of the time there's no context or conversation after the fact.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's like we were talking about before, that I knew a lot of people in LA that were very anti-gun until the George Floyd riots, and then those same people were asking me how to get a gun. Some of them asked me if they could b- I had more than one person ask me, "How many guns do you have? Could- could I borrow one of your guns to keep a gun at my house?"
- MGMike Glover
That's awesome.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Well, that's how weird things got-
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... where people realized, like, "Oh, no one's going to save me."
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, what Greg Anderson was saying.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
No one's coming to save you. And- and, you know, in Austin they know it for a fact, because if you call the cops... Like, I- I know people that have businesses, and there was just an article today I was reading about people whose businesses get smashed into, and they call the cops, and it takes an hour to get there. Cops are overburdened, understaffed, underappreciated, and, you know, you have to have some sort of a contingency program. You have to have some sort of a plan. You have to have some way to protect yourself. You can't just plan on the system being there for you.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Especially in the case of a natural disaster.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, I just was v- furious when I was hearing that you were being labeled in that way, and that they were f- ruining your business. I'm like, that just doesn't make any sense. It's a valuable thing to learn. It's a valuable thing. You can choose not to incorporate it into your life. You could choose to. But the idea that someone teaching something does, uh... I mean, is that gonna be the case with everything? What, is that the case with jujitsu? Like, like, you know how to fight, so you're- you're dangerous, and we don't want dangerous people. Is that what it is? I mean, at what point in time do you decide that preparedness and being, uh, someone who plans out for the worst case scenario is a bad thing?
- MGMike Glover
Hmm. I think, remember- remember back in the day, uh, I grew up in ninjitsu. I took ninjitsu-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- MGMike Glover
... back in the day. Was it Stephen Hayes?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I remember that dude. He was always on the cover of Black Belt Magazine-
- MGMike Glover
Oh, shit.
- JRJoe Rogan
... throwing stars and shit.
- MGMike Glover
Yeah. Was it- was it, uh, American Ninja?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- MGMike Glover
Or was it White Nin- (laughs) White Ninja?
- JRJoe Rogan
There was a- there was a bunch of movies. It was American Ninja Movies, and there was this one guy who was, like, the most famous ninjitsu guy. But if you ever watched that guy, like, move around-
- MGMike Glover
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... he fucking, he didn't know jack shit. He was helpless.
- MGMike Glover
It was crazy, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
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