Joe Rogan Experience #1935 - Kyle Kulinski

1. 0:00 – 1:43

   Austin comedy boom: converting clubs and comedians moving from LA

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) All right, we're up and running.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski0:13

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Hi, Kyle.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski0:13

      Hello, sir. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you, brother.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski0:15

      Good to see you too, man. That was a great set last night.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Thank you. It was a lot of fun.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski0:17

       Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       That place crazy?

   12. KKKyle Kulinski0:19

       That place is crazy. Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Used to be an EDM club. We turned it into a comedy club.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski0:23

       That's hilarious. How long ago?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Just by coming here.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski0:24

       How long-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Two years ago.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski0:25

       Two years ago, it was an EDM club?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah. Two years ago, it was like, like, all bunch of dirty people that were doing-

   20. KKKyle Kulinski0:30

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       ... MDMA and dancing around. Eh.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski0:33

       Well, I feel like last year it wasn't... Like, I don't think they had that cool projection of the alien on the back.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Oh, yeah, no.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski0:40

       Yeah, it's like they've upgraded it in just a year.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski0:42

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Well, it's, it's, you know, become a thing, you know. We're, we're there every week and then, uh, the club opens up within a couple of weeks and I'll show you that tomorrow.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski0:50

       Yeah, and you got a lot of comedians who have joined you here, right? Who, people who-

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       God, like 12 world class comedians-

   30. KKKyle Kulinski0:56

       ... have sort of moved here.
2. 1:43 – 2:53

   Movies, geopolitics, and the fear of controversy (Bert Kreischer’s Russia-timed film)

   1. KKKyle Kulinski1:43

      How many of your comedian friends still do TV, movies, stuff like that?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:49

      A few of them, like, they do-

   3. KKKyle Kulinski1:50

      A few of them do?

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:50

      Yeah, they're trying to do more movies now. Like, Burt just did a big movie, The Machine, and, uh, it's... It was a real problem because it got delayed because it's all about Russia.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski1:59

      Hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:00

      It's about him going to Russia. It's a true story about him-

   7. KKKyle Kulinski2:02

      Yeah, I remember his famous... Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:03

      The fucking trailer is hilarious. It looks great, but they held it for a long time and then we released the trailer on the podcast we did recently and... So now they're gonna release the movie because the trailer got received so well, because they were worried, like, people are gonna say, "You know, it's about Russia. You can have a funny movie about Russia." But nobody really cares.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski2:23

      So who was, who was, like, pressuring them over it?

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       It's not a pressure thing, it's a fear thing.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski2:28

       Uh-huh. Okay.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:29

       They were like, "Oh, let's not, let's not release this. Let's hang on to this."

   13. KKKyle Kulinski2:32

       'Cause they did that with, uh, North Korea. You remember when-

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:34

       Yes, the interview.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski2:34

       Yeah, what was that... Who's the dude's name? I'm blanking on his name right now.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       Franco?

   17. KKKyle Kulinski2:37

       Yeah, James Franco.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:38

       And Seth Rogen.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski2:39

       Yeah, and they were like, "Hey, we don't want to cause any problems or whatever."

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       Yeah.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski2:42

       Which is, which is like, well, it's hilarious to think that Kim Jong Un is somewhere like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan2:45

       Right.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski2:45

       ... "What did James Franco say about me? How was he joking?"

   24. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       Well, I'm sure they're pissed, but, you know, whatever. This guy's pissed about everything, isn't he?

3. 2:53 – 6:45

   North Korea propaganda, golf myths, and why golf is deceptively hard

   1. KKKyle Kulinski2:53

      I know. Well, you know, some of the, some of the propaganda that comes out of there is like world class silly.

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:58

      Yeah.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski2:58

      You know, it's like they have effectively a state religion where-

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:01

      Yeah.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski3:02

      I mean, they said famously, uh, Kim Jong Il in his first round of golf-

   6. JRJoe Rogan3:06

      Yes. (laughs)

   7. KKKyle Kulinski3:06

      ... he shot like, I don't know, it was like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan3:08

      Like nine holes in one.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski3:09

      ... 18 under par or something. Yeah, something ridiculous. Yeah, so, so they go, they go top notch with their propaganda. They don't mess around.

   10. JRJoe Rogan3:14

       His first round of golf, imagine.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski3:16

       Which is beyond impossible. I don't even think... It might be impossible to shoot even par your first round of golf.

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       Yeah, how would it be possible? I couldn't even hit the ball the other day. The- these guys were driving, him and, uh... Who was with us? Cheeto, uh, Andrew Santino was here, and they were, uh, whacking the golf ball. I, I missed it like three times in a row just trying to hit it.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski3:36

       It's one of those things where in theory you feel like, "I could do this. I hit that little thing over there."

   14. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       Yeah, how am I supposed to do that thing?

   15. KKKyle Kulinski3:42

       "Yeah, it's a big green. It's 120 yards away. I got this."

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:44

       Yeah.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski3:44

       And then you get up and you realize like, "Oh, this is..." A lot of people have trouble just making contact.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:48

       Yeah.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski3:49

       You hit behind it, it's called a duff, and then it goes like five yards or whatever.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:52

       Mm-hmm.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski3:52

       You thin it and it goes way over the green. It's a very difficult game. I've been playing it my whole life. I know Jamie's, like, obsessed with it now.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       Yeah, Jamie's out there with that simulator every fucking day. Whack, that's all you hear is whack.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski4:02

       Yeah, I would be with him if I was here. We would-

   24. JRJoe Rogan4:04

       Yeah.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski4:04

       If I lived here, we'd be playing golf at least twice a week.

   26. JRJoe Rogan4:07

       Yeah, it's-

   27. KKKyle Kulinski4:07

       I try to do that in the summer in New York at least.

   28. JRJoe Rogan4:10

       It's such an addictive game that I can't fuck with it. I don't, I don't want to be one of you guys.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski4:14

       Well, I think, I think I agree with you that that's a legitimate fear. I just feel like if you did get addicted, you'd be like, "This is awesome."

   30. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       I'm sure I'd do it though, but I love pool.
4. 6:45 – 9:39

   How Austin’s comedy ecosystem works: Kill Tony, openers, and breakout stories

   1. KKKyle Kulinski6:45

      Well, that's, you know, like, the, uh, what's the Black comedian's name from last night? What was, what's his name?

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:50

      Brian Simpson.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski6:50

      He was phenomenal.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:52

      Yeah.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski6:52

      And I feel like-

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:53

      He's amazing.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski6:53

      ... he, he needs to get his due, and he-

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:55

      He's gonna get his due.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski6:56

      Yeah. He is.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Yeah.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski6:57

       'Cause he was really funny, and I'd only seen him maybe once before or something. But I feel like he's undervalued.

   12. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       He's, well, he's still getting better. He's coming into his own. Like, in just the time that I've known him, he's got quite a bit better. He's one of those guys that's just like, all the pieces are falling into place right now for him. He did a Netflix special, and now people know him from that. And now he has a bunch of new material that he's working on, like last night he's working on a bunch of new stuff. And he's just better all the time. He's like at that 10-year mark where guys really start to put it together and take off.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski7:30

       He, uh, he was homeless, he was telling me.

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:32

       Yeah. (laughs)

   15. KKKyle Kulinski7:32

       And it wasn't too long ago that he was homeless.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:34

       Yeah, not that long ago.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski7:35

       And-

   18. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       A couple guys we work with were homeless. Like Hans Kim, who wasn't there last night 'cause he's, uh, in Hawaii right now. But Hans Kim was homeless just a year ago, and then-

   19. KKKyle Kulinski7:45

       Jesus Christ.

   20. JRJoe Rogan7:45

       ... a few months later, he's doing arenas with me. (laughs)

   21. KKKyle Kulinski7:49

       How did, what, how does that happen? Is it, is it your impact? They come on your podcast, they get a, a little bit of a name for themselves, you, they get some spots? Like, how does that work? What's the pipeline?

   22. JRJoe Rogan7:57

       Well, uh, he's doing Kill Tony. And Kill Tony's a huge show, and he's a regular on Kill Tony. So he does a new minute of standup every week on Kill Tony. And so there's that, and then I started taking him with me on the road, uh, having him open with me and Tony. And you know, so that's how he's doing arenas, he's doing arenas with me. And then he started selling out on his own. Like now he's doing, like, headlining tours. So he's going out and selling out comedy clubs, and he's doing great.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski8:24

       What an amazing story. I wonder like how many people out there are kinda similar in that they would be hilarious if given the opportunity but they never really step on stage, or things in life don't quite come together and they're stuck at their nine-to-five or whatever. It really makes you think, like what percentage of people can do this if given the opportunity and if getting on stage?

   24. JRJoe Rogan8:42

       Quite a few.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski8:42

       You think so?

   26. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       Yeah. There's a lot of, there's... The funniest guy that I ever met never did standup, is a guy that I used to work with that was a private investigator. I was his, uh, assistant for a while. It was really, he lost his license, drunk driving.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski8:55

       Oh boy. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       So he needed someone to drive him around, and so he put an ad out. This is like, you know, in the '80s. He put an ad out for a private investigator's assistant, and I started working for him. And, uh, I would, we would most- it was mostly like insurance scams, people that were, you know, doing insurance scams. We'd take photos of them working when they were supposed to be debilitated. And, uh, he was funnier than anybody I'd ever met.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski9:16

       Wow.

   30. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       He was so fucking funny. And what's crazy is his cousin owned a comedy club. His cousin was one of the owners of The Comedy Connection, this guy Bill Downs. So this guy Dave Dolan, who was my buddy, uh, we, we stayed friends for life until he died, um, which was a couple years back. But he was... Without a doubt, he would've been a brilliant comic. Without a doubt. He just had no desire.

5. 9:39 – 20:15

   What makes standup hard: bombing, timing, and different comedic ‘styles’

   1. KKKyle Kulinski9:39

      There's, uh... Do you agree with me that there's, like, different kinds of funny? Like, there's some people who can be funny off the cuff naturally in a conversation, and then there's people who can actually take it to the stage? 'Cause in my opinion, the stage is something totally different. You know, like-

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:53

      Yeah.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski9:53

      ... in order to... It's one thing to do offhanded quick comments and play off what other people are saying. But if you're up there and the spotlight's on you, and you got nobody else to play off of, that's like a different kind of funny.

   4. JRJoe Rogan10:03

      Yeah.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski10:03

      It's a diff- it's a different way of delivering it.

   6. JRJoe Rogan10:04

      It's a different kind of funny, but if you understand funny, it's just a matter of putting together subjects in a way that, that you, you know, that utilizes your sense of humor. Like, if you can do it in a conversation, most likely you can do it on stage. But it won't be easy.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski10:22

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan10:22

      You know, it's like-

   9. KKKyle Kulinski10:22

      No.

   10. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       ... like golf, right?

   11. KKKyle Kulinski10:23

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan10:24

       So, like, if you can whack a golf ball and you can knock it into the hole, well hey, you can kind of play golf. Now, how good can you play golf? Can you play golf in a tournament? Can you play golf under pressure? Can you play... It, it's like everything else. It's not, it seem- but, but comedy's different in that it seems like you're just talking, so it seems so easy. I can talk. You can talk. It seems like easy to talk. Just go talk. But once you start doing it, you realize like, oh, this is like a mass hypnosis I'm doing. This is way more complicated than you think it is. But it can be done, but it's, it's, uh, not impo- it's not like, you know, there's certain things you're, if you're physically limited you're never gonna be able to do. You know, like if you're-

   13. KKKyle Kulinski11:05

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:05

       ... you're frail, you're never gonna be a linebacker.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski11:07

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:08

       It's just that it's insurmountable. But if you're funny, you can figure out comedy. It's just how much effort do you put in, how much time do you put in, how objective are you about your skills. You know, how much, uh, how introspective are you? How, how well can you see how people are perceiving what you're doing? What's the flaws in your delivery, and what's the flaws in the way you're piecing the material together? I mean, it's complex.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski11:34

       Yeah, there's so much, I feel like there's so much pressure for a comedian because you have to get laughter within reasonable time frames.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       Yeah.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski11:42

       So, you could try may- if, if two or three punchlines flop in a row, now all of a sudden people are thinking like, "You're bombing."

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       Yeah, you are bombing.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski11:48

       And you lost the crowd. You know what I mean?

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:50

       You are. (laughs) You have lost the crowd. Yeah.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski11:50

       But that, that's a very difficult thing-

   24. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       Yeah.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski11:52

       ... 'cause you compare it to something I do, where I do like political commentary, I don't need to laugh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:55

       Yeah.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski11:56

       If I get a laugh, it's just extra, you know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       Yeah.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski11:57

       I just get to babble and have like no consequences. And people either accept it or they won't, but it's not the same level of pressure, 'cause if I-

   30. JRJoe Rogan12:04

       Yeah.
6. 20:15 – 23:39

   Writing vs riffing, pre-show nerves, and pressure as performance fuel

   1. KKKyle Kulinski20:15

      I feel like r- riffing when you're talking s- feels a lot easier to me than, like, writing something down and then trying to go through it in a way. 'Cause if I write something down and I try to go through it, I feel like I start sounding robotic-

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:27

      Yeah.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski20:27

      ... and I'm not connecting to it as well.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:29

      Yeah.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski20:29

      So when I riff, that's when people are more interested in what I'm saying-

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:32

      Mm-hmm.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski20:33

      ... 'cause it, y- you know, you could hear that it actually is coming from my core as I'm saying it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:36

      Yeah.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski20:36

      So that's what seems very difficult about comedy to me, is that... 'Cause you always talk about how you write. And so, like, you have to write down your bits, and then you have to deliver it in a way that doesn't feel robotic, that feels like you're still connecting with the words.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:47

       Yeah.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski20:47

       And so I was... Like Tony said last night, he's like, "I don't even write." He said, "I don't even write my bits." And to me, I feel like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:53

       Yeah, Tony does it differently than me.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski20:54

       ... if I was comedian, I'd be more like him because if I write it down, I'll be like, "A- and then the... This is the part of the joke where..." Like, it just wouldn't come out.

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:02

       Right, but you don't have to say it that way. Like, I, I think everybody does it differently. And some people don't ever write, and some of the best comics alive don't ever write. Um, but I feel like you should do all those things. I feel like comics are inherently lazy.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski21:20

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:21

       And-

   17. KKKyle Kulinski21:22

       It's a funny sentence. (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:23

       This thing... But that's one of the reasons I let them do comedy. They're like, "I don't wanna work. Fuck this."

   19. KKKyle Kulinski21:27

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       You know, "Fuck this job." And then you, like, say something funny about the job, and everyone's like, "Ah." And, like, and then you're like, "Oh, maybe I'm funny." Well, that sort of, uh, rebellious mentality leads you to not want to be disciplined. But I think there's a big value in sitting in front of a computer and just spending time going over ideas. Like, some of my best bits I've come up with just writing.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski21:50

       Hm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:50

       Just sitting down and writing and then piecing together. And then the skill is to try to figure out a way to riff those concepts and get it to the point where it's funny.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski22:01

       Do you f- do you see a big difference day-to-day in terms of, uh, your delivery? Like, some days when you go up there and just be like, "I'm just off today." Like, "I just-

   24. JRJoe Rogan22:09

       Shh.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski22:09

       ... I'm not nailing it today," and other days you're like, "Oh, I'm, I'm, you know, cranking, cracking it right now."

   26. JRJoe Rogan22:13

       Yeah, for sure. Yeah, there's days where you're better. Uh, but it's also, it's like you gotta figure out, "Well, what was different about the day when I was off?" You know, maybe I didn't get as excited. Maybe I didn't pace enough or warm up enough. Maybe I didn't, like, treat it with a lot of weight. Like, you gotta, like ch- there's a lot of heaviness to, like, going on stage, like, "Here we go." And then you also have to be, like, looser on stage sometimes. And it's like there's a lot of variables, which is why it's exciting.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski22:37

       Yeah, so do you feel like more pressure, the better?

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:39

       Yeah.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski22:39

       The more pressure you feel, the better you do?

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:40

       You need some pressure. Yeah, you need some pressure.
7. 23:39 – 31:09

   Authenticity beats mainstream media: long-form dialogue, incentives, and ad independence

   1. KKKyle Kulinski23:39

      You know, I felt like... I went on, uh, PBD, the PBD podcast recently, Patrick-

   2. JRJoe Rogan23:42

      Mm-hmm.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski23:43

      ... BenDavid, and I went in there knowing... I mean, they're, like, uh, sorta like a grind set, uh, show.

   4. JRJoe Rogan23:48

      Make money.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski23:48

      I don't know how to describe it yet.

   6. JRJoe Rogan23:49

      Make money.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski23:49

      Make money, hustle culture-

   8. JRJoe Rogan23:50

      Yeah.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski23:50

      ... that sort of stuff.

   10. JRJoe Rogan23:51

       Hustle.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski23:52

       And I, I went in there, and as somebody who's, who's on the left, you know, they're not really gonna agree with me on it. But they're nice enough guys, and, uh, you know, they're in favor of open dialogue and discussion of different ideas. And I was like, "Hey, this is, this should be fun." And so I went in there knowing it was a little bit like the lion's den.

   12. JRJoe Rogan24:04

       Mm-hmm.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski24:04

       So I was a little nervous, but I went in there, and the conversation went great. They're really nice guys. Uh, you know, we got a great reaction to it. And the feeling afterwards of relief was like, "Oh."

   14. JRJoe Rogan24:13

       That's interesting, 'cause you went in there, like, ready to do battle.

   15. KKKyle Kulinski24:16

       No, I di- so I, I, I didn't go in there thinking, like, "There's gonna be a fight." You know?

   16. JRJoe Rogan24:20

       But contentious, perhaps.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski24:21

       Uh, I, yes. I thought, you know, they're not gonna agree with me on some stuff, and so I need to be able to explain myself in a way-

   18. JRJoe Rogan24:27

       Yeah.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski24:27

       ... that can change their mind, or at least give them pause and make them rethink it. And, I think I largely succeeded on that front. A lot of people in their own audience said, you know, "Hey, I like what this guy had to say."

   20. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       No, you-

   21. KKKyle Kulinski24:36

       And so it was a victory.

   22. JRJoe Rogan24:36

       ... you did a great job. I watched some clips from that. You did a great job. He's a great guy. He really is a great guy. He's-

   23. KKKyle Kulinski24:42

       He's fair, he was fair.

   24. JRJoe Rogan24:43

       Genuine.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski24:43

       Yeah. He was genuine.

   26. JRJoe Rogan24:44

       Yeah.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski24:44

       He wasn't trying to, like ... you know, 'cause some people, if, if, if you have a debate and there are different perspectives, some people will go in with, like, the, "I'm gonna own this person." mindset.

   28. JRJoe Rogan24:51

       Right.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski24:51

       And that's not him.

   30. JRJoe Rogan24:52

       No.
8. 31:09 – 35:38

   YouTube’s ‘borderline content’ and Adpocalypse: algorithmic throttling of politics

   1. KKKyle Kulinski31:09

      Right. Here's the issue though, is that YouTube unfortunately, uh, has set up a tiered system. So, they have authoritative news, and then they have what's called borderline content. And so shows like mine-

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:21

      Are borderline?

   3. KKKyle Kulinski31:22

      ... are put into the borderline content category. Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:24

      (laughs)

   5. KKKyle Kulinski31:24

      And I'll tell you why. They're afraid of... Because in... back in 2017, there was some like big company ad, like a Nestle ad or something that ran on a white nationalist video. And so a bunch of media outlets wrote these articles that were like, "Oh my God, look at what YouTube's doing. They're radicalizing people. This is terrible."

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:39

      Oh.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski31:39

      And so YouTube reacted to that by... They just wanted to, to cut their losses. And they said, "Just defund news and politics right now." That was what was called Adpocalypse. So, they cut off-

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:48

      Mm-hmm.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski31:48

      ... all the funding overnight for-

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       What, what was that-

   11. KKKyle Kulinski31:50

       ... independent news.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       ... in re-... What was the catalyst for that? What was the, the video that, that did that?

   13. KKKyle Kulinski31:54

       I don't know what the actual video was. I know it was like a white nationalist video that ran like an official ad.

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       We should find out where that was. Do you know where it starts-

   15. KKKyle Kulinski32:01

       Yeah. You'd have to go back to 2017 articles to find it.

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       Because I remember Ad- Adpocalypse, but I remember d- just going, "What is going on?" And not paying attention.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski32:09

       Yeah. Well-

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:10

       'Cause I, I have-

   19. KKKyle Kulinski32:10

       ... I covered it at the time. It was, it was huge for us 'cause we were one of the ones affected. We went from-

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       Yeah.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski32:14

       We literally... All the money wiped out overnight, and we didn't know when it was gonna come back. Now thankfully, it did come back about a week or two later, but it was never really the same since then. And it was in 2018, I believe, the YouTube CEO said, "Look, we're addressing the misinformation and disinformation problem." And so now we have authoritative content and borderline content. And so the YouTube algorithm pumps the authoritative content and like suppresses the borderline content.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:37

       PewDiePie. PewDiePie.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski32:38

       Is it PewDiePie?

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:39

       PewDiePie. But PewDiePie, uh, was not a white nationalist.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski32:43

       Wait. And which year-

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:43

       He's just a, a shitposter. You know, he's like a funny guy.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski32:46

       No. Yeah. That's true. If this is true, then it's even worse than I remember it being.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:50

       Um, PewDiePie in 2017, the most subscribed YouTuber of all time, at the time rather, excuse me, came under fire for posting videos that YouTube deemed antisemitic and hate speech. These videos included references and jokes about Adolf Hitler, as well as two Indian men holding a sign stating, "Death to all Jews." At the same time, videos including Chief Keef, uh, dancing to Alabama N-word and other extremist content were surfacing, leading to the UK government, Coca-Cola, Dr. Pepper, Johnson & Johnson, and many other major brands pulling or pausing their advertisements on YouTube. Oh, I see. Okay.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski33:28

       Yeah. So, they rolled out this whole system to deal with this.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:31

       Mm-hmm.
9. 35:38 – 39:19

   Internet regulation vs free speech: government, propaganda, and the Twitter Files debate

   1. JRJoe Rogan35:38

      Did you see the conversation that I had with Jan Werner about that?

   2. KKKyle Kulinski35:40

      I did not. No.

   3. JRJoe Rogan35:41

      Yeah. We... There was the exact same thing where he was talking about that the government should be regulating the internet.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski35:47

      That's crazy.

   5. JRJoe Rogan35:47

      And I was like, "What-"

   6. KKKyle Kulinski35:48

      That's crazy.

   7. JRJoe Rogan35:48

      ... "are you talking about?"

   8. KKKyle Kulinski35:49

      That's anti-First Amendment.

   9. JRJoe Rogan35:50

      It's-

   10. KKKyle Kulinski35:50

       That's like the first, (laughs) the very first thing in the Constitution.

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:53

       He just has this idea of the government, and by government he means left-wing government only. He, he... That they're going to be altruistic and they're gonna look at it the right way and do the right thing. I'm like, "What are you saying?" I'm like, "These are the same people that brought us into the Iraq War under false pretenses." He's like, "No, no, no. That was politicians." I go, "That's the government."... government is politicians. Well, we need better politicians. Like, no, no, no. No, you need people to be able to sort this shit out, and it's gonna be messy. That's the thing-

   12. KKKyle Kulinski36:18

       It is gonna be messy, yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:19

       ... they want, they want it to be not messy.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski36:20

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan36:21

       There's no way. There's no way.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski36:22

       That's right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan36:23

       You gotta accept the fact that it's going to be messy.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski36:25

       "Who's gonna watch the watchmen?" is the old saying.

   19. JRJoe Rogan36:28

       Yes.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski36:28

       So, like you set up this-

   21. JRJoe Rogan36:29

       Yes.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski36:29

       ... you set up this, like, you know, this, this overlord group that gets to determine everything.

   23. JRJoe Rogan36:32

       Mm-hmm.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski36:32

       But, it's like, what about when they're wrong? And they're gonna be wrong from time to time 'cause al- sometimes the conventional wisdom ends up being wrong, sometimes-

   25. JRJoe Rogan36:39

       Yes.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski36:39

       ... it ends up being right. But, you never, you don't know. You have to, like you said, it's gonna be messy, you gotta try to figure it out, and anybody putting their thumb on the scale and trying to change the outcome by, you know, fiat from above-

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:49

       Yes.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski36:49

       ... that's not the way it's supposed to work.

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:50

       Right. And it's not just that their conventional wisdom is going to be wrong, it's that they're being fed propaganda.

   30. KKKyle Kulinski36:57

       Absolutely.
10. 39:19 – 43:18

    QAnon, radicalization, and the case for transparent debunking over bans

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:19

       Isn't it interesting though, 'cause like that, that kinda stuff doesn't work on you. Right? If someone talks about hollow Earth and there's dinosaurs living in the lava-

    2. KKKyle Kulinski39:29

       (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:29

       ... and like, it's not gonna work on you.

    4. KKKyle Kulinski39:31

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan39:31

       But, the concern is that it's gonna work on some people, and what they'll use as an example is things like QAnon.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski39:40

       Right. Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan39:41

       And which sets up January 6th.

    8. KKKyle Kulinski39:44

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan39:44

       But then, they'll ignore the fact that the FBI has agent provocateurs-

    10. KKKyle Kulinski39:49

        Oh, yeah, for sure.

    11. JRJoe Rogan39:49

        ... that are instigating these people to go into the Capitol. So, they're only talking about the dangers of QAnon. Like, what about the gang- dangers of the federal government riling these people up, or, or agents from the federal government-

    12. KKKyle Kulinski40:01

        Right.

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:01

        ... who are just trying to accomplish something that's gonna enhance their career?

    14. KKKyle Kulinski40:05

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:05

        Like we talked about last night.

    16. KKKyle Kulinski40:06

        That's right. And you know what? The way I think about that is very simple. If, if QAnon is spreading like wildfire, and it's batshit fucking crazy, which it is-

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:15

        Yeah.

    18. KKKyle Kulinski40:15

        ... then the burden is on people like me to explain, "Hey, here's why this is batshit. Here's why this is wrong."

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:21

        Yes.

    20. KKKyle Kulinski40:21

        "Let me show you how these things don't match up. Let me show you..." And, and again, the issue is, if it's coming from an independent voice, if it, if the debunking is coming from an independent voice where like, you know, you know I'm not beholden to anybody, you know I'm telling you what I really think, and I'm very detailed in responding to it, then that's eventually how you win on that front.

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:36

        Yes.

    22. KKKyle Kulinski40:36

        You're not gonna win just by saying, "Just totally ban it," 'cause then, you know, d- we had a conversation the other day with a guy in the airport who was totally convinced. Sweet guy, very nice, and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere he brings up, "You know, I think Trump won. I think Trump won the election, and there's no way that Biden guy won." And it's like, you know, I, I don't wanna create more people like that. You need to-

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:54

        Right.

    24. KKKyle Kulinski40:54

        ... you need to, I need to be able to respond in real time, b- bring a convincing case, and then just make people go, "Okay."

    25. JRJoe Rogan40:59

        Yeah.

    26. KKKyle Kulinski40:59

        "At the very least, I'll move to agnosticism as opposed to believing an incorrect thing."

    27. JRJoe Rogan41:04

        Right. And the QAnon thing, like that's why Into the Storm was so important, because-

    28. KKKyle Kulinski41:09

        Is that the Andrew Callaghan one?

    29. JRJoe Rogan41:10

        That's... Is that who-

    30. KKKyle Kulinski41:10

        Oh, no, that's the other... No, no, no.
11. 43:18 – 50:59

    Epstein’s network and death: elites, intelligence rumors, and suspicious jail failures

    1. JRJoe Rogan43:18

       It's fucking ... It's trafficking.

    2. KKKyle Kulinski43:20

       Yes.

    3. JRJoe Rogan43:21

       It's sex trafficking.

    4. KKKyle Kulinski43:22

       Mm-hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:22

       And it's also involving l- leaders of, uh, uh, giant financial institutions, politicians, celebrities, scientists.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski43:31

       I need to see that black book, that Epstein black book.

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:33

       Oh.

    8. KKKyle Kulinski43:34

       You had Bill Clinton, you had Donald Trump, you had all these, you know-

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:38

       Bill Gates.

    10. KKKyle Kulinski43:38

        ... billionaires. Yeah, billionaires-

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:39

        They're all lying about it.

    12. KKKyle Kulinski43:39

        ... celebrities. They're all li-... He was the CEO of Elite Sex Crimes Incorporated, and then he died in jail.

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:47

        Yeah, mysteriously.

    14. NANarrator43:48

        Did you see this video with Bill Gates recently?

    15. JRJoe Rogan43:49

        Yes, I did.

    16. NANarrator43:50

        (laughs)

    17. KKKyle Kulinski43:50

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:50

        I should've had dinner with him. Well, have you seen Whitney Webb's take on Bill Gates's connection to Jeffrey Epstein? It goes way further. It goes way back.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski44:01

        His wife-

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:01

        Yes.

    21. NANarrator44:01

        Yeah.

    22. KKKyle Kulinski44:01

        His wife has blown the whistle on this and was like-

    23. JRJoe Rogan44:03

        Yes.

    24. KKKyle Kulinski44:03

        ... "Oh, Bill Gates is saying he just had a couple dinners with him or whatever."

    25. JRJoe Rogan44:06

        Yes.

    26. KKKyle Kulinski44:06

        His wife's like, "Let me tell you something. That's not true."

    27. JRJoe Rogan44:09

        Yeah, not true at all.

    28. KKKyle Kulinski44:09

        He was really close with him.

    29. JRJoe Rogan44:10

        V- not just close with him, but went to the island. He, he knew him very well. They, they had all sorts of business dealings together for quite a long time. It goes way back. You know, he knew him, uh, w- he knew him early on. Like, Whitney Webb was, like, she was on, uh, R- Russell Brand's show recently, and she went into great detail. She's fascinating. Like, she can pull up data and information off the top of her head. She's, like, such a good researcher. But just absolute facts about this c- the connection between Ga- Gates and him.

    30. KKKyle Kulinski44:42

        Yeah. Uh, it's a lot-
12. 50:59 – 52:56

    WEF and wealth inequality: ‘open conspiracies’ and the role of progressive taxation

    1. KKKyle Kulinski50:59

       The World Economic Forum.

    2. JRJoe Rogan51:00

       Yes.

    3. KKKyle Kulinski51:01

       Let's, let's have, at Davos, all these billionaires, all these heads of state get together an- and tell you their ideas. You know what the World Economic Forum actually is? It's a status quo protection racket because they're doing just fine over there. They're the billionaires. You know, they're, they're on top of the world. So, all these ideas that, that they're floating out there, really, it's more like, "Let's keep what we got going," 'cause people are suffering as it is, right? I mean, I'm sure you've seen the Oxfam numbers about income and wealth inequality, that the, the richest 26 people on the planet hold more wealth than the bottom 50% of the world combined.

    4. JRJoe Rogan51:35

       (exhales) Wow.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski51:37

       That's the conspiracy. It's right fucking there.

    6. JRJoe Rogan51:40

       Wow. Wow.

    7. KKKyle Kulinski51:40

       (laughs) It's right here.

    8. JRJoe Rogan51:41

       But isn't that just a factor of the rich get richer? Like, no matter what happens, when people develop e- exorbitant amounts of wealth and then they just keep going, they ha- like, like, I just saw that Elon gained nine billion dollars over the last week or something like that, because stocks go up. Like, that, that kind of stuff can just accumulate and pile up.

    9. KKKyle Kulinski52:03

       Yeah. Well, that's why, look, for a lot of, of US history, we had pr- a progressive tax system where the more you made and the more wealth you had, the more you were taxed on that. And so, the- that's an attempt to do redistribution to give people at the bottom a reasonable shot. It's saying, "Okay, we're gonna run a 100-yard dash here."

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:22

        Where's the money going?

    11. KKKyle Kulinski52:23

        Well-

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:23

        The problem is where's the money going-

    13. KKKyle Kulinski52:25

        Right, so-

    14. JRJoe Rogan52:25

        ... and who gets to decide?

    15. KKKyle Kulinski52:26

        Back in the New Deal days when we had FDR in power, that money went to jobs programs and went to infrastructure and went to unemployment insurance, went to actually help people. What you're concerned about, which I think you're right to be concerned about, is a lot of that money... There was a report that just came out, the Pentagon can't account for 59% of the money it's received.

    16. JRJoe Rogan52:43

        That's not a lot.

    17. KKKyle Kulinski52:44

        (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan52:45

        They still have 41%-

    19. KKKyle Kulinski52:47

        It's- (laughs) It's-

    20. JRJoe Rogan52:47

        ... that they know where it is.

    21. KKKyle Kulinski52:48

        It literally, trillions of dollars gone.

    22. JRJoe Rogan52:50

        I'm a glass half full guy.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski52:52

        Gone. (laughs)

    24. NANarrator52:53

        (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan52:54

        (laughs)

    26. KKKyle Kulinski52:54

        And then, a- a- and, you know-

    27. JRJoe Rogan52:54

        Or 41% full. (laughs)

13. 52:56 – 57:13

    Military-industrial power, Afghanistan withdrawal fallout, and drone warfare whistleblowers

    1. KKKyle Kulinski52:56

       (laughs) I'm sure you remember too, when Biden did probably one of the best things he did, which is pull out of Afghanistan, the fucking meltdown from the media, the fucking meltdown from the military-industrial complex. They were attacking him over and over from the perspective of, "What are you doing? Why are you leaving? This is crazy. You sure you want to do that? Look at all the chaos that's happening. Oh, my God, you might want to go back in."

    2. JRJoe Rogan53:17

       Hmm.

    3. KKKyle Kulinski53:17

       That was the perspec- the perspective wasn't the Afghanistan report that had come out a few years ago, which showed that we literally wasted trillions of dollars, and our own generals on the ground were like, "We don't know what the fuck we're doing here anymore."

    4. JRJoe Rogan53:27

       Yeah.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski53:27

       Like, "What are we even doing here?"

    6. JRJoe Rogan53:29

       I think the real concern was protecting the Americans that were left behind and protecting the people that worked with the Americans, you know, the people that helped them, 'cause they were all murdered. I mean-

    7. KKKyle Kulinski53:40

       Yeah, tens of thousands of them, of the, you know, Afghan people who helped us did end up getting left behind.

    8. JRJoe Rogan53:46

       And they're tortured and murdered. I mean, there's some horrific stories of, from some of my friends who were over there aiding in the extraction of American, uh, c- c- uh, citizens that were stuck there. It's... The way it was done was very scary.

    9. KKKyle Kulinski54:03

       So, here's, here's the issue with that though. Like, I don't know... It was always gonna be this messy when you get out. Like-

    10. JRJoe Rogan54:09

        I don't know if that's true.

    11. KKKyle Kulinski54:10

        ... it was... I do think it's true because everything... There's so much money invested in staying over there.

    12. JRJoe Rogan54:15

        Yes.

    13. KKKyle Kulinski54:15

        I mean, there's Raytheon, Boeing-

    14. JRJoe Rogan54:17

        Yes.

    15. KKKyle Kulinski54:17

        ... Halliburton, all these... These people are making so much money staying there. And there's... I guarantee you, not a single staffer of Biden's was telling him, "Hey, you're right about this." They were all telling him, "D- don't do it. Don't get out. You're causing a political headache for yourself." And he did because the media hammered him, and then his approval rating dropped, even though that was an issue where if you polled people beforehand, like, 60%, 70%, 80% of the country was like, "Yeah, we need to get out of Af- Afghanistan."

    16. JRJoe Rogan54:38

        Yeah.

    17. KKKyle Kulinski54:39

        So, it's one thing where he actually stood up to the deep state. He stood up to the military-industrial complex, and then he got shit on relentlessly for it.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:46

        Do-

    19. KKKyle Kulinski54:46

        I understand it was a mess, but the alternative is staying there 10 more years, 20 more years, 30 more years. I mean, we got... Our, our infrastructure's crumbling here. Why are we spending...... trillions of dollars over there.

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:58

        Yeah. I don't think anybody, uh, disagree- anybody reasonable disagrees with that. I think the, the reasonable perspective is, was there a way to get those American citizens out first?

    21. KKKyle Kulinski55:10

        Yeah. Well-

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:11

        And should that have been done.

    23. KKKyle Kulinski55:12

        A lot of them did get out. Jamie, if... You could look this up if you want. I remember that... So the worst thing that happened was the attack as we were leaving. It w- there was some like ISIS attack on an airport and then what Biden did was super fucked up because he said, "Oh, we're gonna attack them back." And he did a drone strike in a, on a house and said, "Oh, we got the ISIS guys."

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:31

        Mm-hmm.

    25. KKKyle Kulinski55:31

        And then it came out that was all... They were innocent civilians.

    26. JRJoe Rogan55:34

        Yeah.

    27. KKKyle Kulinski55:34

        They just bombed innocent civilians.

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:35

        What are the numbers on, on drones? The dr- drones innocents to, uh, actual people they're trying to target is-

    29. KKKyle Kulinski55:42

        So we know it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan55:43

        ... so nuts.
14. 57:13 – 1:01:07

    Chevron vs Steven Donziger: corporate retaliation and chilling effects

    1. JRJoe Rogan57:13

       It's very disturbing when you find out these egregious missteps of justice where people get imprisoned for leaking information and discussing information or, or the Steven Dosinger case.

    2. KKKyle Kulinski57:24

       Oh, yes, that guy. We've, we've had him on Crystal Kyle and Friends. Amazing story.

    3. JRJoe Rogan57:28

       Crazy.

    4. KKKyle Kulinski57:29

       Yeah. He basically is like... If you really (laughs) get down to the bottom line here-

    5. JRJoe Rogan57:32

       Explain to people what happened.

    6. KKKyle Kulinski57:34

       Yeah. So he was imprisoned for basically showing how, I think it was Chevron, one of the big oil companies, flat out poisoned, I think it was Peru. Okay, you might want to fact-check me on that. I'm not sure it was Peru, but it was one... South American country. They basically like poisoned the water supply there. They were doing all these terrible practices, polluting everything. And he stood up against them in court and won. And then basically, you know, the empire struck back and went after him and he ended up in prison.

    7. JRJoe Rogan58:00

       Yeah.

    8. KKKyle Kulinski58:00

       Basically for blowing the whistle on this and getting them out.

    9. JRJoe Rogan58:04

       So here it is. Ecuador.

    10. KKKyle Kulinski58:05

        Ecuador. I'm sorry. There you go. Not Peru.

    11. JRJoe Rogan58:06

        So Dosinger, uh, an American attorney known for his legal battles with Chevron, uh, particularly, uh, Onegwinda versus Texaco Inc. and other cases which he represented over 30,000 farmers and indigenous people who suffered environmental damage and health problems caused by the oil drilling in the L- Lago Agrio oil field of Ecuador. The Ecuadorian court awarded the plaintiffs $9.5 billion-

    12. KKKyle Kulinski58:31

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan58:32

        ... $11.5 billion in 2021 dollars (coffins clattering) in damages which led Chevron to withdraw its assets from Ecuador and launch legal action against Dosinger in the US. In 2011, Chevron fost- this has been going on for 12 fucking years, filed a RICO ancon- anti-corruption suit against Dosinger, which is wild, in New York City. The case was heard by US District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan, who determined that the ruling of the Ecuadorian court could not be enforced in the US because it was procured by fraud, bribery and racketeering activities.

    14. KKKyle Kulinski59:05

        Now that's all bullshit, just so everybody knows. There was no fraud, no bribery, no racketeering. What happened was the people who were corrupt went after him and said he was corrupt.

    15. JRJoe Rogan59:12

        Yeah.

    16. KKKyle Kulinski59:13

        And the judge was corrupt who put him behind bars and he just recently got out.

    17. JRJoe Rogan59:17

        Yeah.

    18. KKKyle Kulinski59:17

        But this guy went through fucking hell because he exposed that Chevron was flat out poisoning people.

    19. JRJoe Rogan59:22

        That's cra- So he was placed under house arrest in 2019 while awaiting trial on charges of criminal contempt of court, which arose during his appeal against Kaplan's RICO decision when he refused to turn over electronic devices he owned to Chevron's forensic experts. In July 2021, US District Judge Loretta Preska found him guilty and Dosinger was sentenced to six months in jail on October 2021. While Dosinger was under house arrest in 2020, 29 Nobel laureates described the actions taken by Chevron against him as judicial harassment. Human rights campaigners called Chevron's actions an example of strategic lawsuit against public participation, a SLAPP lawsuit. In, uh, April 2021, 6 members of Congressional Progressive Caucus demanded that Department of Justice review Dosinger's case. In September 2021, the United Nations High Cal- High Commissioner of Human Rights stated that the pre-trial detention imposed on Dosinger was illegal and called for his release. Having spent 45 days in prison and a combined total of 993 days under house arrest, Dosinger was released on April 25th, 2022.

    20. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:33

        So let me also add... So yes, he spent 993 days under house arrest. Now the actual laws they're accusing him of breaking, it would have been like a max... I'm gonna butcher this, but it was like a month or something. So they kept him under house arrest for 993 days, then he actually went to jail. But even if he had gotten the max sentence, if he had the trial right away, it would've been like a month or something like that.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

        And more importantly, what that does is it scares the fuck out of anybody who's thinking about doing something like that-

    22. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:55

        That's the point.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

        ... in the future.

    24. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:56

        That's exactly the point. The empire will strike back.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

        Yeah.

    26. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:59

        And they do.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

        Especially in a situation like that where there's clear evidence that they-

    28. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:04

        Undeniable.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

        ... polluted that area.

    30. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:06

        Undeniable.
15. 1:01:07 – 1:19:21

    Getting money out of politics, crypto/NFT hype cycles, and platform-driven scams

    1. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:07

       That's the... Look, this is the impact, and you know this is my big thing, this is the impact of money on politics.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       Yeah.

    3. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:12

       This is the way our system works. I mean, when you have giant corporations and billionaires pay the politicians in campaign contributions, then when those politicians get in there, they're going to represent the corporations and the billionaires and not the will of the people. I mean, you could look at any public opinion poll and it'll tell you some very clear preferences among Democrats, Republicans, among everybody, and we don't get those things into law. The stuff that goes into law is a new tax break or subsidy for a giant corporation or another bailout for Wall Street. Like that's the stuff that's prioritized because that's what these people are... who these people are getting paid by. Like Nancy Pelosi, for example, she has like an 18% approval rating. She was the, a leader of the Democrats for so long all because she raised the most money. She has the most connections with the corporations and the billionaires and so that's why-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       Yeah.

    5. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:52

       ... she's at the top, the top of the party. It's not because she actually has people who like her and support her.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       Yeah, it's spooky. It's spooky because there's no clear path to get money out of politics.

    7. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:02

       So, there actually, there is.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       Yeah?

    9. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:03

       Um, one way is to do a Constitutional amendment, but that's difficult because you need to get like three-fifths of the state. It's a whole process. It's very difficult. But really-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:10

        And you're gonna have to get the people that are involved in it to agree.

    11. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:14

        Yeah, I mean... So, there's this thing called clean elections, which is, you ban all the private money, everything is funded by the public and you, you're allocated a certain amount, and then you really have a debate and a battle of ideas and different policies, and whoever wins, wins. Th- the fact of the matter is, we used to have laws that limited corporate money in politics. There was a, I think it was like, it's called the Tillman Act. I wanna say it was like 1907 or something like that. They said, "Yep, no corporate, uh, money in politics. No corporate money." But what happened was the Supreme Court came along in the 1970s, and then in subsequent cases after that as well, uh, Buckley v. Valeo, uh, Citizens United, Bellotti, there were a bunch of cases where they basically said, "Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and claim that bribing politicians is free speech." They claimed it's a free speech issue.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

        (sighs)

    13. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:58

        So, if a billionaire wants to give $200,000 or whatever to a PAC or a Super PAC or candidates, like, hey, that's their right to do that.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:03:05

        Yeah.

    15. KKKyle Kulinski1:03:06

        And you're just gonna drown out, there's some grandma in Cleveland who donates 15 bucks to a politician and wants her social security not to be cut, and those voices are just drowned out.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:03:15

        (Sighs) The, the bribing is so fucking blatant too. It's so strange, these, these contributions that people do. Like Sam Bankman-Fried, for example. You know, the-

    17. KKKyle Kulinski1:03:27

        Oh, that was so bad. (laughs)

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:03:28

        It's so bad.

    19. KKKyle Kulinski1:03:29

        It was all, it was all a scam. Everything was a scam.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:03:31

        So crazy that that was going on for so long. And unless that, that, uh, Binance guy went after them, that would have kept going.

    21. KKKyle Kulinski1:03:40

        That's right.

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