Joe Rogan Experience #1935 - Kyle Kulinski

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) All right, we're up and running.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski0:13

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Hi, Kyle.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski0:13

      Hello, sir. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Good to see you, brother.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski0:15

      Good to see you too, man. That was a great set last night.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Thank you. It was a lot of fun.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski0:17

       Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:18

       That place crazy?

   12. KKKyle Kulinski0:19

       That place is crazy. Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       Used to be an EDM club. We turned it into a comedy club.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski0:23

       That's hilarious. How long ago?

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       Just by coming here.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski0:24

       How long-

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       Two years ago.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski0:25

       Two years ago, it was an EDM club?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Yeah. Two years ago, it was like, like, all bunch of dirty people that were doing-

   20. KKKyle Kulinski0:30

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       ... MDMA and dancing around. Eh.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski0:33

       Well, I feel like last year it wasn't... Like, I don't think they had that cool projection of the alien on the back.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Oh, yeah, no.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski0:40

       Yeah, it's like they've upgraded it in just a year.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Yeah.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski0:42

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Well, it's, it's, you know, become a thing, you know. We're, we're there every week and then, uh, the club opens up within a couple of weeks and I'll show you that tomorrow.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski0:50

       Yeah, and you got a lot of comedians who have joined you here, right? Who, people who-

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       God, like 12 world class comedians-

   30. KKKyle Kulinski0:56

       ... have sort of moved here.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Oh, is he usually…

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      and we're all fucking around and bou- ... And Ron White's there and we're all bouncing stuff around. It's like, "Ooh."

   2. KKKyle Kulinski15:04

      Oh, is he usually there too? Some days?

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Oh, Ron White was here too.

   4. KKKyle Kulinski15:06

      Oh, I wish I saw him.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      Dude.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski15:07

      We've seen ... Twice, we've been to that club, the Vulcan, and he wasn't there either time.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Oh.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski15:11

      But I would have loved to see him. I always thought he was really funny.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      I'll, I'll see if I can get him to come out tonight, 'cause we're doing The Creek and the Cave tonight. But, yeah. Ron's in town. We have Tim Dillon, Ron White, Tom Segura, Christina Pazsitzky, Tony Hinchcliffe, David Lucas, William Montgomery, Hans Kim. We have so many fucking people that live here now.

   10. KKKyle Kulinski15:28

       So, are there any ego issues between those people? 'Cause they're all such big personalities. They all can fill the room with their own personality. So, it ... Does ... Are there any butting heads or does everybody get along nicely?

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       No, no. Massive camaraderie. It's a beautiful community. It's really good here. Really good. Like, it's shockingly good. Like, as good as The Comedy Store was. It's amazing. And everybody also recognizes there's something unique about this thing that's emerging here. 'Cause there was, like, a little community here. There's some pretty talented people here. You know, like, they were kinda getting going and doing, like, little open mics and little, small shows they put together here. But now, it's like thriving. And so there's these people that are moving here just to do stand-up, people that have this dream of doing stand-up. They're trying to get on Kill Tony, and there's clubs all around town now, because the, the feeling of comedy being in Austin is, like, very tangible. So, so many people are excited about it.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski16:15

       So, it seems like the breakup, eventually, between Hollywood and comedy was inevitable.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Yeah.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski16:20

       Given that, you know, with, with Hollywood, everything is sort of pre-produced and very particular, and you got executives telling people what they can and cannot say and-

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:28

       Yeah.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski16:28

       ... everything's very kinda scripted on that front. Whereas comedy was always, in a sense, the anti-Hollywood, because it's like, all right. Here, anything goes. You say whatever you want-

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Yeah.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski16:36

       ... and then let's just, you know, see what happens. And so it seems like the breakup was inevitable at some point, that now, you know, they've moved away from Hollywood. And it seems like ... I don't know. You would know better than I would. Like, who's still left in, in, i- in Hollywood and LA v- versus who's i- in New York, and now it seems like here, there's almost maybe the biggest scene here now.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Yeah, there's a giant scene here. New York still has a very good scene. There's still elite comics in New York, and there's still some really good comics in, in LA. It's just less of them. C- ... A lot of people moved away. Theo moved to Nashville, Theo Von, but now-

   20. KKKyle Kulinski17:08

       Oh, is there a comedy scene there?

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       A little bit.

   22. KKKyle Kulinski17:10

       Little bit?

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:11

       A little bit, you know, but, like, there's Nate Bargatze, who's fantastic. He's there. But, uh, Theo's gonna move here now, so it's like i- ... He's excited about it too. Like, there's so many people that have moved here. It's r- it's crazy.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski17:23

       Yeah. Well, they all should-

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:24

       Like, on any given night, we'll have, like, fuck, eight, eight comics up at the Vulcan. It's wild.

   26. KKKyle Kulinski17:30

       It was packed yesterday. Coldest day of the year. Worst weather day in Texas.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:33

       Yeah, they're saying S- roads are shut down.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski17:34

       33 degrees, icy.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       Yeah.

   30. KKKyle Kulinski17:36

       And I, I said, I said to Crystal before we went and Corin, I was like, "I bet you there's gonna be 50 or fewer people there when we go." And we showed up, it was packed.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Exactly. …

   1. KKKyle Kulinski30:00

      gonna be kicked out right away.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Exactly.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski30:01

      So, the way we do it is we have the default ads on YouTube, which is... Thankfully there's a buffer there, so like, you know, AdSense deals with that. And I've never had a conversation with an advertiser over a decade of doing this. So, that's one way we make money. The other way is Patreon, which is just people tipping 'cause they like what I say and like what I do. Five bucks a month, eight bucks a month, whatever it may be. And then the other way Krystal and I have done it is, with Krystal Kyle & Friends in particular, we have a Substack. And people pay $5 a month. They get the video of the interviews, and they get it a day early. And that makes it, again, so I've never had a conversation with any advertiser-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:32

      That's awesome.

   5. KKKyle Kulinski30:33

      ... in over 10 years of doing it. I've gone above and beyond on purpose so that people know, look, even if you disagree with me, I... This is 100% coming from a genuine place.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:41

      Yeah. That's awesome. That's, that's the future, I think. And I think that's a com- commercially viable way to do it, too. You can do it and make a living, especially when you realize that, you know, if you're working at CNN, you gotta realize there's probably like hundreds of people that are working there that aren't the entertainment.

   7. KKKyle Kulinski30:56

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:56

      So-

   9. KKKyle Kulinski30:57

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       ... like there's so many different pieces of the pie that get sliced up and chopped up. Whereas you don't need as much money to be financially successful with your show, as successful as you would be if you were on a network.

   11. KKKyle Kulinski31:09

       Right. Here's the issue though, is that YouTube unfortunately, uh, has set up a tiered system. So, they have authoritative news, and then they have what's called borderline content. And so shows like mine-

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:21

       Are borderline?

   13. KKKyle Kulinski31:22

       ... are put into the borderline content category. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       (laughs)

   15. KKKyle Kulinski31:24

       And I'll tell you why. They're afraid of... Because in... back in 2017, there was some like big company ad, like a Nestle ad or something that ran on a white nationalist video. And so a bunch of media outlets wrote these articles that were like, "Oh my God, look at what YouTube's doing. They're radicalizing people. This is terrible."

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       Oh.

   17. KKKyle Kulinski31:39

       And so YouTube reacted to that by... They just wanted to, to cut their losses. And they said, "Just defund news and politics right now." That was what was called Adpocalypse. So, they cut off-

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Mm-hmm.

   19. KKKyle Kulinski31:48

       ... all the funding overnight for-

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       What, what was that-

   21. KKKyle Kulinski31:50

       ... independent news.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:50

       ... in re-... What was the catalyst for that? What was the, the video that, that did that?

   23. KKKyle Kulinski31:54

       I don't know what the actual video was. I know it was like a white nationalist video that ran like an official ad.

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       We should find out where that was. Do you know where it starts-

   25. KKKyle Kulinski32:01

       Yeah. You'd have to go back to 2017 articles to find it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       Because I remember Ad- Adpocalypse, but I remember d- just going, "What is going on?" And not paying attention.

   27. KKKyle Kulinski32:09

       Yeah. Well-

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:10

       'Cause I, I have-

   29. KKKyle Kulinski32:10

       ... I covered it at the time. It was, it was huge for us 'cause we were one of the ones affected. We went from-

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yes. …

   1. KKKyle Kulinski45:00

      that line because it's so true. Yeah, it gives like, it gives this, the feeling of like, oh, like, our, our former national daddy figure is here.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:07

      Yes.

   3. KKKyle Kulinski45:07

      So, like, it's, it's everything's okay.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      One of the things that people will do to try to get me to come to a thing is they'll tell me, "Hey, this guy's gonna be there. That guy's gonna be there." Like, they'll send me an email. "Hey, Joe, are you interested in coming to our r- event, our thing, our retreat," or whatever, "and blah, blah, blah is gonna be there from this band and that comic and this thing." And it's like you, you go, "Oh, well, that famous person's gonna be there? I can be there too."

   5. KKKyle Kulinski45:30

      Right. That's how they try to get you.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:31

      So they can talk one person into doing it that's prominent and recognized, and then you're like, "Oh, well, I will be, uh, in good company if I go there."

   7. KKKyle Kulinski45:39

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:40

      You know? And that's, I think that's what they did.

   9. KKKyle Kulinski45:41

      Yeah, you know, uh, I've seen some pretty convincing stuff that Jeffrey Epstein was actually Mossad.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Yeah, I've seen that-

   11. KKKyle Kulinski45:47

       Israeli intelligence.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:48

       I've seen that too. Yeah.

   13. KKKyle Kulinski45:49

       Yeah, there was an article, I forget where it was. It may have been Daily Mail, which is a questionable source, but they were talking about how Jeffrey Epstein, uh, was meeting with, like, a former Israeli prime minister. Yeah. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:03

       (laughs)

   15. KKKyle Kulinski46:03

       So, I mean, he also was meeting with US presidents too, of course, but I think there's, there's some reason to believe that this guy... 'Cause he had... If you have dirt on everybody, why do you have dirt on everybody?

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       It's just the c-

   17. KKKyle Kulinski46:12

       What exactly is going on here?

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       ... the craziest thing that they murdered that guy in jail and it's just like sweep, sweep. (banging sound)

   19. KKKyle Kulinski46:18

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:18

       That's all done.

   21. KKKyle Kulinski46:19

       And by the way-

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:19

       Let's, let's concentrate on Ukraine now.

   23. KKKyle Kulinski46:21

       (laughs) Yeah. Nobody actually believes he killed himself.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:22

       No.

   25. KKKyle Kulinski46:22

       I haven't met anybody left-wing, left wing, right wing, center-

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       (laughs)

   27. KKKyle Kulinski46:26

       ... apolitical. Everybody's like, "Eh, it's, that's kinda sketchy."

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       Yeah, I've met some people that believe it, but they have a v- reason to believe it. It's like th- they have this, like, vested interest in, in wanting to believe it.

   29. KKKyle Kulinski46:35

       Yeah, the skep-

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:35

       It's very odd.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:03:40

   So let me also…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      of strategic lawsuit against public participation, a SLAPP lawsuit. In, uh, April 2021, 6 members of Congressional Progressive Caucus demanded that Department of Justice review Dosinger's case. In September 2021, the United Nations High Cal- High Commissioner of Human Rights stated that the pre-trial detention imposed on Dosinger was illegal and called for his release. Having spent 45 days in prison and a combined total of 993 days under house arrest, Dosinger was released on April 25th, 2022.

   2. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:33

      So let me also add... So yes, he spent 993 days under house arrest. Now the actual laws they're accusing him of breaking, it would have been like a max... I'm gonna butcher this, but it was like a month or something. So they kept him under house arrest for 993 days, then he actually went to jail. But even if he had gotten the max sentence, if he had the trial right away, it would've been like a month or something like that.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

      And more importantly, what that does is it scares the fuck out of anybody who's thinking about doing something like that-

   4. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:55

      That's the point.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

      ... in the future.

   6. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:56

      That's exactly the point. The empire will strike back.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:59

      Yeah.

   8. KKKyle Kulinski1:00:59

      And they do.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

      Especially in a situation like that where there's clear evidence that they-

   10. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:04

       Undeniable.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       ... polluted that area.

   12. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:06

       Undeniable.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:06

       Fucking crazy.

   14. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:07

       That's the... Look, this is the impact, and you know this is my big thing, this is the impact of money on politics.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

       Yeah.

   16. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:12

       This is the way our system works. I mean, when you have giant corporations and billionaires pay the politicians in campaign contributions, then when those politicians get in there, they're going to represent the corporations and the billionaires and not the will of the people. I mean, you could look at any public opinion poll and it'll tell you some very clear preferences among Democrats, Republicans, among everybody, and we don't get those things into law. The stuff that goes into law is a new tax break or subsidy for a giant corporation or another bailout for Wall Street. Like that's the stuff that's prioritized because that's what these people are... who these people are getting paid by. Like Nancy Pelosi, for example, she has like an 18% approval rating. She was the, a leader of the Democrats for so long all because she raised the most money. She has the most connections with the corporations and the billionaires and so that's why-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       Yeah.

   18. KKKyle Kulinski1:01:52

       ... she's at the top, the top of the party. It's not because she actually has people who like her and support her.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       Yeah, it's spooky. It's spooky because there's no clear path to get money out of politics.

   20. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:02

       So, there actually, there is.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       Yeah?

   22. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:03

       Um, one way is to do a Constitutional amendment, but that's difficult because you need to get like three-fifths of the state. It's a whole process. It's very difficult. But really-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:10

       And you're gonna have to get the people that are involved in it to agree.

   24. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:14

       Yeah, I mean... So, there's this thing called clean elections, which is, you ban all the private money, everything is funded by the public and you, you're allocated a certain amount, and then you really have a debate and a battle of ideas and different policies, and whoever wins, wins. Th- the fact of the matter is, we used to have laws that limited corporate money in politics. There was a, I think it was like, it's called the Tillman Act. I wanna say it was like 1907 or something like that. They said, "Yep, no corporate, uh, money in politics. No corporate money." But what happened was the Supreme Court came along in the 1970s, and then in subsequent cases after that as well, uh, Buckley v. Valeo, uh, Citizens United, Bellotti, there were a bunch of cases where they basically said, "Yeah, we're gonna go ahead and claim that bribing politicians is free speech." They claimed it's a free speech issue.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

       (sighs)

   26. KKKyle Kulinski1:02:58

       So, if a billionaire wants to give $200,000 or whatever to a PAC or a Super PAC or candidates, like, hey, that's their right to do that.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:05

       Yeah.

   28. KKKyle Kulinski1:03:06

       And you're just gonna drown out, there's some grandma in Cleveland who donates 15 bucks to a politician and wants her social security not to be cut, and those voices are just drowned out.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:15

       (Sighs) The, the bribing is so fucking blatant too. It's so strange, these, these contributions that people do. Like Sam Bankman-Fried, for example. You know, the-

   30. KKKyle Kulinski1:03:27

       Oh, that was so bad. (laughs)

Episode duration: 3:22:46