Joe Rogan Experience #1941 - Bridget Phetasy

1. 0:00 – 3:30

   New-mom life and LA’s surprise small-business taxes

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      We're up. Hello, bitches.

   4. BPBridget Phetasy0:14

      Hello.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      What's happening, my friend?

   6. BPBridget Phetasy0:16

      I'm back.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      You're back.

   8. BPBridget Phetasy0:18

      With the baby again.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      (laughs)

   10. BPBridget Phetasy0:21

       Just mom-ing and working.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Did you get any sleep?

   12. BPBridget Phetasy0:24

       I don't look like it. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       (laughs)

   14. BPBridget Phetasy0:27

       I'm like, "How do I get rid of these circles under my eyes?" Um, not really, 'cause I try to work and write in particular after she goes down for ... She's sleeping, which is great.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Right.

   16. BPBridget Phetasy0:37

       It's weird how, like, "Is she sleeping?" That's the, you know ... Everybody asks you that question when you have a kid.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah. Well, once you have kids, you realize, like, the- there- for the first X amount of days or years, like-

   18. BPBridget Phetasy0:50

       (laughs) Years.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       ... you're just in a fog-

   20. BPBridget Phetasy0:51

       Yeah. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:52

       ... where you just, you don't know what's going on 'cause you're just ... That mommy brain thing is real.

   22. BPBridget Phetasy0:57

       It is. And it's the sleep deprivation, like, I, I think you pull your head out of your butt, like, in different ways. So, I feel like I just was ... came, came, came to a bit, and I'm like, "What's going on with my business?"

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       (laughs)

   24. BPBridget Phetasy1:10

       Like, I ended up having to pay this ridiculous ... I can't even get into it 'cause I'll, like, burn the whole thing down. But it was a ridiculous tax that you're generally exempt from if you file by a date, which, why do you even have this rule that punishes small businesses who are usually drowning and it's easy to miss this stupid arbitrary date. And so, the City of LA came after me, and they basically shook me down for, like, $4,000. And I was like, "I ca- ... This shit keeps me up at night, Joe." (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       Yeah.

   26. BPBridget Phetasy1:39

       I just can't tell-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:40

       Is it just an LA thing?

   28. BPBridget Phetasy1:42

       It's a City of LA thing, yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       Oh.

   30. BPBridget Phetasy1:43

       They have their own business tax renewa- ... You have to get a license that you re- renew. Even if you make under $300,000 as, like, an artist, you're exempt from this, which I am exempt from this, and so I'm like, "Why do I have to pa- ..." So, then it's penalties and fees. I cannot, I can't tell you. I can't tell you how this, it ... Like, I will stare at my ceiling in bed just enraged. And it's most ... I, as a business owner, I'm like, "I've got to ... The buck has to stop with me. I wanna blame everyone." And sure, this is a bullshit, bullshit law, and I ... Maybe my tax guy should have been more aware of this. (laughs) And I love him, though. I'm not blaming him either. And it has to stop with me, and so this is one of those things that probably just fell through the cracks because I had a baby and ...
2. 3:30 – 5:59

   California as “legalized mafia”: bureaucracy, taxes, and the exodus to other states

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:30

      The way they shake things down-

   2. BPBridget Phetasy3:31

      Ugh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:32

      ... is just so ... The, all the different taxes and regulations.

   4. BPBridget Phetasy3:36

      It's a mafia.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:36

      You don't realize how bad it is until you get away from it.

   6. BPBridget Phetasy3:39

      It's legalized mafia, though.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:41

      Well, it's just bureaucracy.

   8. BPBridget Phetasy3:41

      My friend has been out of California for five years, and they're coming after him for back taxes.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:49

      Oh my God.

   10. BPBridget Phetasy3:49

       And they're just, they'll just take it outta your ... They'll, like, garnish your wages.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:53

       Well, did you see the thing that they were trying to do where they were trying to tax people once they leave California?

   12. BPBridget Phetasy3:58

       Yeah. They were trying to pass that law.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       Yeah.

   14. BPBridget Phetasy4:00

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:00

       Which is so wild. Even if you left, you still owe us money-

   16. BPBridget Phetasy4:05

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       ... we, that you would have spent if you were here, but you're not here.

   18. BPBridget Phetasy4:09

       No.

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       But so what? We want the money.

   20. BPBridget Phetasy4:10

       Because it's a mafia.

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       Which is just, it's just slimy.

   22. BPBridget Phetasy4:13

       It's-

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:13

       It's just bureaucracy.

   24. BPBridget Phetasy4:14

       This is legalized mafia tactics though. And there's no recourse. There's really nothing. I, I called, I talked to a very nice woman. I never blame the people who are, like, just enforcing these ridiculous laws, and sh- ... I was like, "Is there anything I can do?" And she said, "Well, you might be able to apply for an exemption on your, um, penalties. You get a one-time, kind of, exemption." And I was like, "What about all of the taxes which I would be exempt from?" And she's like, "There's absolutely nothing you can do." Like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:44

       Yeah.

   26. BPBridget Phetasy4:44

       ... it's like once it's set in stone.

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:47

       Geez.

   28. BPBridget Phetasy4:47

       I'm like, how does anyone doing this as a small business? 'Cause anyone who has a small business knows you're, y- it's, it's, you're always, particularly when you're not making, like, millions of dollars and have lots of people doing this stuff for you, you're always trying to just keep up with all of the things that you have to manage.

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Well, it's so different than any other business, like, running a state, because any other business, you would say, "Well, where are our necessary expenses? We need to pare them down." We need to figure out, like, what, what makes things profitable, what's necessary, what's not.

   30. BPBridget Phetasy5:21

       (laughs)
3. 5:59 – 10:01

   Vegas love-hate: spiritual sickness, comedy crowds, and a lost-and-found prosthetic leg

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:59

      Nevada is actually nice. Like, if you-

   2. BPBridget Phetasy6:01

      It is.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:01

      ... if you live outside of the Strip, you know, like Henderson, and there's a few of those other town ... They're nice towns. They're really nice places to live.

   4. BPBridget Phetasy6:10

      Yeah, there's really beautiful kind of up in the hills area-

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:13

      Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, gorgeous.

   6. BPBridget Phetasy6:14

      ... with, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:14

      Hiking and mountains and-

   8. BPBridget Phetasy6:16

      That's the same as Vegas.There's a lot of nice, like, hiking and-

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:20

      Yeah, that's what we're talking about. We're talking about Vegas.

   10. BPBridget Phetasy6:22

       Oh, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:22

       (laughs)

   12. BPBridget Phetasy6:22

       I thought you were talking about Reno. I was thinking anywhere.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       No, Reno too. Yeah.

   14. BPBridget Phetasy6:26

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:26

       Well, Reno, you have Tahoe.

   16. BPBridget Phetasy6:28

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       You have, you have, uh, a lot of beautiful areas in, like... That's near Lake Tahoe.

   18. BPBridget Phetasy6:33

       I don't know why I was thinking Reno. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:34

       (laughs) But Vegas itself is... You know, it's gross in the Strip-

   20. BPBridget Phetasy6:41

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:42

       ... because of the traffic and all the gambling and all the, you know, people just, just trying to do coke and party and lose all their money.

   22. BPBridget Phetasy6:50

       I've... Oh, I get spiritually sick when I go to Vegas. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I always joke like, "I know where all the great chicken noodle soup is on the Strip." (laughs) I end up like the sad girl always in Vegas. Even when I was, even when I was using drugs and drinking, I would end up in a hotel room looking at all the, you know, fountains and all of the lights, just sick. And it was... Uh, like as we would be driving there, I would be getting just a fever, more and more sick.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       (laughs)

   24. BPBridget Phetasy7:19

       I'm like, "I swear to God, my... I get like a, a soul sickness when I go to Vegas."

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:24

       If I wasn't in the business that I'm in, I probably wouldn't like to go there at all. But, you know, I go there for fights because there's fights there all the time.

   26. BPBridget Phetasy7:31

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:31

       It's one of the best place in the world for fights. And then I do shows there.

   28. BPBridget Phetasy7:34

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       So, for me, it's just... I just go to dinner. There's all amazing places to eat there.

   30. BPBridget Phetasy7:39

       Yeah. Yep, good shows.
4. 10:01 – 11:57

   Wealth fantasies vs. the reality of managing people: houses everywhere and ‘never packing’

   1. JRJoe Rogan10:01

      ... uh, uh, would move to, but I- I'm there so often. I've thought about buying a house there. I thought about... Because I'm always staying in hotels, I'm like, "Maybe I would enjoy the Vegas experience more if I had a house outside the Strip."

   2. BPBridget Phetasy10:12

      (laughs) If I had money, I would have houses everywhere just so you don't have to pack. I fucking hate packing.

   3. JRJoe Rogan10:18

      Yeah.

   4. BPBridget Phetasy10:18

      Just show up and have your clothes there. That's worth, worth money. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan10:21

      It is nice getting out of a plane with nothing but your wallet and your phone.

   6. BPBridget Phetasy10:24

      Yeah, I... When I dated the rich guy, he just was like... He refused to pack basically, so he just was all about like, "I'm just gonna buy a place in Maui. I'm gonna buy a place in... I'm gonna buy a place in London so that I don't have to pack." I'm like-

   7. JRJoe Rogan10:38

      Wow.

   8. BPBridget Phetasy10:38

      Yeah. (laughs) I mean, he's very wealthy.

   9. JRJoe Rogan10:40

      That's baller.

   10. BPBridget Phetasy10:41

       But that... I, I would if I had that kind of money, absolutely. I would, I would-

   11. JRJoe Rogan10:46

       Yeah, but the problem is then you have to think about this fucking house that's over there and shit-

   12. BPBridget Phetasy10:50

       You don't have to think about it.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:50

       ... that's going wrong with it and this and that. You do. Trust me, you do.

   14. BPBridget Phetasy10:53

       You can outsource people to think for you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:54

       Yeah, and then you have to make sure they're doing a good-

   16. BPBridget Phetasy10:56

       I know. I know.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:56

       ... good job, trust me.

   18. BPBridget Phetasy10:58

       One of the most baller things I ever saw was one of my friends, very wealthy, got a new house and they just had the people make sure that everything was stocked. So, he, he basically went, made sure they were doing all the things that he wanted them to do to the house and then showed up and... It was like Christmas for me when I was opening all the cabinets in the kitchen. I'm like, "How did they know?" And his whole kitchen was stocked with everything, his refrigerator, every... All the linens. I'm like, "This is, this is baller."

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:26

       It is nice.

   20. BPBridget Phetasy11:26

       Just being able to like show up in a house and have it set up for you, like the whole thing is like a Christmas present.

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:32

       Yeah, there's pros and cons, I guess, to that.

   22. BPBridget Phetasy11:35

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:35

       The, the cons is you're dealing with a bunch of people. As long as you have a bunch of people that are d- good at their job, yeah.

   24. BPBridget Phetasy11:41

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       That'll be good.

   26. BPBridget Phetasy11:42

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:42

       But, but then you have to think about them. You have just this ecosystem that you're responsible for.

   28. BPBridget Phetasy11:47

       I like how I'm not like... I would save lots of poor people. (laughs) I'm like, "I would have a house everywhere with my own clothes, so I don't have..." I just hate packing.

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:57

       Yeah.

5. 11:57 – 16:19

   Traveling with a baby, Kindles vs. paper books, and the lingering COVID-mask culture

   1. BPBridget Phetasy11:57

      Even, even for this trip, because now I'm packing for little one.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:01

      Mm-hmm.

   3. BPBridget Phetasy12:02

      And we're in a hotel, which I don't know if you've ever lived in a hotel with a under 10-month-old. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:11

      (laughs)

   5. BPBridget Phetasy12:11

      ... but it's challenging-

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:12

      Yeah.

   7. BPBridget Phetasy12:12

      ... when it comes to nap time and you don't have, like, an extra room to go in. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:16

      Oh, yeah.

   9. BPBridget Phetasy12:16

      So, we're like, "What are we gonna do? I guess we're just gonna, like-"

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:19

       Read.

   11. BPBridget Phetasy12:19

       "... sit here and read." Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:20

       Yeah.

   13. BPBridget Phetasy12:21

       But you can't even really read other than on a device because you have to keep it dark. And so we're feeding her and I brought... I had to pack, like, a little drying rack for her bottles and it looks hilarious in there. I'm like, "We're gonna make do." We brought her little, like, tray for her... (laughs) for her stroller and we're feeding her and it's fun. I'm like, "It's not fun-"

   14. JRJoe Rogan12:40

       Reading on a device is the way to go anyway.

   15. BPBridget Phetasy12:43

       I don't... I- I need to read books.

   16. JRJoe Rogan12:45

       Yeah, but, you know, those books, like those... What are the- the- the-

   17. BPBridget Phetasy12:48

       Like, Kindles?

   18. JRJoe Rogan12:49

       ... the Kindles that when they l-... it looks like paper, those things-

   19. BPBridget Phetasy12:52

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan12:52

       ... are the shit.

   21. BPBridget Phetasy12:53

       My husband's all about his Kindle.

   22. JRJoe Rogan12:54

       It's so much better because you could keep 150 fucking books on this-

   23. BPBridget Phetasy12:58

       I know.

   24. JRJoe Rogan12:58

       ... little, tiny thing.

   25. BPBridget Phetasy12:59

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan13:00

       And i- it... the battery lasts forever and you... anytime you want a book, you get it instantly.

   27. BPBridget Phetasy13:05

       Yeah. Jarren, that's pretty much how he... oh, he only reads on his Kindle. He loves it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan13:11

       Yeah, I love 'em.

   29. BPBridget Phetasy13:11

       I- I like the paper books, but it's probably why I don't read as much as he does. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       Yeah, but it is great. I mean, paper books are cool. It's like the... having a physical thing is nice and turning pages is nice, but there's no... b- like, especially if you're traveling-
6. 16:19 – 20:11

   Health, obesity, and pharma incentives: surgery for kids and semaglutide tradeoffs

   1. BPBridget Phetasy16:19

      But isn't that what they're trying to do now with, like, obese kids? Recently it came out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:23

      Yes.

   3. BPBridget Phetasy16:23

      They're like, "You can get surgery for these kids who are under 12, 12 years old."

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:28

      This is-

   5. BPBridget Phetasy16:28

      And it's like... or tell them to go get their fat asses outside and play.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:32

      Doing that to a child-

   7. BPBridget Phetasy16:33

      (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:33

      ... doing that surgery to a child is fucking criminal. Like, there is a way to avoid this. This idea that you can avoid this by giving them healthy food is so fucking stupid. It's so mind-blowingly stupid. And I don't understand it other than money. I mean, I- I try to be, like, as objective as possible, like, maybe there's a reason why they're doing this, but there's not. There's n-... there's no reason that makes sense other than they're doing this because of money.

   9. BPBridget Phetasy16:59

      They wanna make money.

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Yeah, they wanna make money.

   11. BPBridget Phetasy17:01

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:01

       There- there's money in... there's money in medicines.

   13. BPBridget Phetasy17:04

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       There's m-... like-

   15. BPBridget Phetasy17:04

       Surgery.

   16. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       ... that's why they keep pu-... pushing the semaglutide now, you see that everywhere, that people-

   17. BPBridget Phetasy17:09

       Yeah, I- I've heard about it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       Yeah, we talked about it on the podcast.

   19. BPBridget Phetasy17:11

       Yeah, last night.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:12

       34% of what you lose is muscle, bone mass, and connective tissue.

   21. BPBridget Phetasy17:17

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       Literally, 34%.

   23. BPBridget Phetasy17:18

       No.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:19

       It's crazy.

   25. BPBridget Phetasy17:20

       That's a-

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:20

       I mean, there might be a way to mitigate that with, uh, weight training while you're doing it, I don't know. May- may... it kind of makes sense, like, if you're doing that and you're also weight training. But there's no free lunch. There's no biological f-... free lunch when it comes to a quick fix for something that has to do with you're putting the wrong things into your body and your body's reacting in a very negative way.

   27. BPBridget Phetasy17:40

       It seems dangerous to try and make people think that they can just take a pill or have a surgery to fix their problems.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:48

       It is dangerous, but it's also... it's a sign of being captured by an industry. There's an industry that relies on human beings and their illnesses in order to generate vast amounts of wealth.

   29. BPBridget Phetasy17:59

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:59

       And that's what they're doing. They're- they're further feeding this, and this- this industry was propped up during COVID in a massive way. The- the amount of money generated during COVID for the pharmaceutical industry was-... fucking tremendous.
7. 20:11 – 26:16

   Money, status, and ‘never hearing no’: yachts, billionaires, and keeping grounded

   1. BPBridget Phetasy20:11

      Yeah. We cover that on Dumpster Fire all the time.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:14

      Apparently they abandoned that idea.

   3. BPBridget Phetasy20:16

      Well, because they were throwing eggs at him in his yacht and stuff like that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:19

      Yeah.

   5. BPBridget Phetasy20:19

      And the people were very angry and they were not having it. I don't-

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:22

      Yeah.

   7. BPBridget Phetasy20:22

      ... I don't know what they were thinking. I'm like, "Didn't they take this into account when they were building this thing? Or did they just assume that they could take it down 'cause he's the richest guy in-"

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:31

      I wonder-

   9. BPBridget Phetasy20:31

      "... the world."

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:31

       ... what the conversation was. I wonder if he said, "Hey, uh, I want the most baller yacht ever." And they're like, "We got you, fam."

   11. BPBridget Phetasy20:38

       And then... (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:38

       And that was the end of the conversation. And then they were like, "We're gonna have to dis- dissemble this bridge."

   13. BPBridget Phetasy20:42

       And they're like, "Oh, it'll be fine."

   14. JRJoe Rogan20:43

       And he's in his office like, "What are y- They're gonna do what?"

   15. BPBridget Phetasy20:46

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan20:46

       "A bridge? Well, d- I don't wanna know about it. Like, hopefully nobody will notice." (laughs)

   17. BPBridget Phetasy20:51

       I think these guys are really, truly... And I did see this even when I was with the wealthy guy I referenced earlier, just you get so used to getting whatever you want and never hearing no, it like damages your brain.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:04

       Yeah.

   19. BPBridget Phetasy21:04

       There's... It's not good to never hear no in your life, ev- as a child and even as an-

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       Right.

   21. BPBridget Phetasy21:10

       ... adult.

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       Yeah.

   23. BPBridget Phetasy21:10

       (laughs) You know? You have to... There need to be-

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:14

       Yeah.

   25. BPBridget Phetasy21:15

       ... there... When was the last time you heard no, Joe? (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:17

       All the time.

   27. BPBridget Phetasy21:18

       Yeah. I feel like-

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:19

       Yeah.

   29. BPBridget Phetasy21:19

       ... I feel like you hear... I feel like you're pretty grounded, like, for somebody... But again, you aren't like multiple billionaire, which is-

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       No. I ground myself too.
8. 26:16 – 29:55

   Age gaps, DiCaprio discourse, and biology-as-vibe-check

   1. JRJoe Rogan26:16

      There's no, there's no... Uh, he's having fun, and you're allowed to have fun. You know?

   2. BPBridget Phetasy26:20

      Of course.

   3. JRJoe Rogan26:21

      The... What's fascinating to me is that people get mad at him for dating 19-year-olds, but... 'Cause he's 50 or whatever he is. He's close to 50, right? He's 50-

   4. BPBridget Phetasy26:28

      Yeah, he's close to 50.

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:28

      He's 40, six, seven, and eight, something like that.

   6. BPBridget Phetasy26:31

      That's a big difference.

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:32

      It's a giant difference, but here's the thing.

   8. BPBridget Phetasy26:34

      I've been there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:34

      If it was the other way, if it was a- a 19-year-old guy and a 48-year-old woman, everybody would be like, "You go, girl."

   10. BPBridget Phetasy26:42

       Okay.

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:42

       Nobody would be upset at all.

   12. BPBridget Phetasy26:43

       Well, I think there is an example of this in Hollywood, and I do feel like people also are like, "That's gross," to her too. S- I can't remember who it is.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:51

       Doesn't stick.

   14. BPBridget Phetasy26:52

       Doesn't- doesn't land with you?

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:53

       Doesn't stick. No one's f- no one's feeling bad for that dude. No. No. No one is feeling bad-

   16. BPBridget Phetasy26:57

       No, but they still call-

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:59

       ... for a 19-year-old guy-

   18. BPBridget Phetasy26:59

       ... her-

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:59

       ... dating a 50-year-old woman.

   20. BPBridget Phetasy26:59

       Not feeling bad for her. There's s- ... And I don't think people are feeling bad for these 19-year-old girls either. I think, I think more they feel like the o- older person is a bit of a predator.

   21. JRJoe Rogan27:10

       Yes.

   22. BPBridget Phetasy27:10

       So I- I think that... I know she gets called a predator, this woman that I was reading about-

   23. JRJoe Rogan27:15

       Yeah.

   24. BPBridget Phetasy27:15

       ... who I, who her name escapes me because I was like-

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:17

       I know who you're talking about. Yeah.

   26. BPBridget Phetasy27:19

       Yeah, I was like, it's kinda... I- I mean, I've been in that age gap before, and it's... I was... My editor and I were talking about it, uh, for Spectator. He and I were, like, going back and forth 'cause he's like, "Oh, what's the big deal?" I'm like, "It's kinda gross." Like, not... I was like, 23, I don't have a problem with 'cause... But for some reason, 19, I'm like, that's teetering on.

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:38

       Yeah, if- if... It is what it is, though. It's like...

   28. BPBridget Phetasy27:40

       Really, though?

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:41

       Yeah.

   30. BPBridget Phetasy27:42

       Would you want-
9. 29:55 – 39:41

   OnlyFans, porn, and ‘pornification’: empowerment vs. spiritual cost

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:55

      With social media, it's weird now because, like, people actually make a living by being in their prime.

   2. BPBridget Phetasy30:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:01

      Like, if you're a woman in your prime now, there's OnlyFans and there's-

   4. BPBridget Phetasy30:05

      Ugh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      ... all these different-

   6. BPBridget Phetasy30:06

      Yeah, we talked about OnlyFans last time.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      ... social media stuff. Fucking strange.

   8. BPBridget Phetasy30:10

      (laughs) I'm-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      You know, influencers and...

   10. BPBridget Phetasy30:12

       I'm gr- I'm grateful, I think, of how glad I am that I came of a... I'm so worried about... I'll probably be turning to you later in life when I'm like, "How do you navigate this with girls?" Because I don't know how you do so that you keep them somewhat innocent, somewhat protected, somewhat... How do you keep them from, like...... really thinking that this is... The messaging they're getting is, like, who's the biggest star? Kim Kardashian is the person that is, is making tons of money, and all these women are making so much money on OnlyFans. And how do you tell your daughter, how do I tell my daughter, like, there's... That's not necessarily a, a way you want to... a path you want to go down?

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:00

       Yeah. It's, it's very tricky, because, uh, also working in an office all day doing a job you hate, being exhausted at the end of the day-

   12. BPBridget Phetasy31:09

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:09

       ... and being drained-

   14. BPBridget Phetasy31:10

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       ... and making very little money is also not a path you want to go down. But that's a traditional path.

   16. BPBridget Phetasy31:15

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan31:16

       As... And it's obviously... It has nothing to do with your, your... the way you look and, you know, your, your pictures on Instagram. Like, that's not generating you... It's not like you're a sex object that's generating you this money. But if you're a woman that is... If you're a... any person that's doing a job that you hate, and it's incredibly time-consuming and taxes you emotionally, you're there all day, you're working in this very bizarre power structure where you have to adhere to certain social rules and regulations, and it's your whole life because it's most of your day.

   18. BPBridget Phetasy31:48

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Like, the idea that it's only eight hours a day is not true. You also have commuting. And most of these people that... if you work in a significant job, you probably have to work overtime or you're on salary, so you're working on weekends. You have projects you have to work on.

   20. BPBridget Phetasy32:01

       You gotta look put together usually.

   21. JRJoe Rogan32:03

       I, I have friends that have worked in Hollywood, you know-

   22. BPBridget Phetasy32:06

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan32:06

       ... like, in studios and stuff like that, and the, that work is n- never over.

   24. BPBridget Phetasy32:11

       No.

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:12

       You take it with you on the weekends.

   26. BPBridget Phetasy32:13

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:13

       You're always exhausted. You know?

   28. BPBridget Phetasy32:15

       So, you're telling me that they should probably sign up for OnlyFans? (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:18

       Well, it's like, what do you want to do with your time? I mean, you can... Look, Kim Kardashian is a good example. Like, Kim Kardashian, as much as people like to give her a hard time, she's worked very hard to get innocent people-

   30. BPBridget Phetasy32:28

       Oh, yeah.
10. 39:41 – 42:48

    Sex work policy, luxury beliefs, and trans policy edge cases (prisons, prostitution laws)

    1. JRJoe Rogan39:41

       Yeah. That's a, that's a tricky one. You know? 'Cause like, I feel like people should be able to do whatever they wanna do.

    2. BPBridget Phetasy39:48

       Right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan39:48

       Like, if you want ... Look, if you can have sex with someone for free, why can't you have sex with someone for money? I just, I don't think that anybody should be able to tell you what to do, but as soon as that happens, then you open the door to pimps. You open the door to y- predators that are exploiting women-

    4. BPBridget Phetasy40:03

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan40:03

       ... and selling them and taking all their money and becoming very wealthy from them.

    6. BPBridget Phetasy40:07

       It almost always hurts poor women.

    7. JRJoe Rogan40:10

       Yeah.

    8. BPBridget Phetasy40:10

       So, when you sit in your mansion and say, "Yeah. Let's let men self-ID into women's prisons."

    9. JRJoe Rogan40:18

       Right.

    10. BPBridget Phetasy40:18

        That affects a population of women that you don't really give a shit about or have to worry about.

    11. JRJoe Rogan40:23

        That's the wildest shit.

    12. BPBridget Phetasy40:24

        This is never gonna affect you.

    13. JRJoe Rogan40:25

        That's the wildest shit that's going on with the transgender movement.

    14. BPBridget Phetasy40:28

        This is the p- (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan40:28

        This idea that you can murder women, be self-identified as a woman, and then you don't have to even take hormones. You get erections.

    16. BPBridget Phetasy40:35

        No.

    17. JRJoe Rogan40:35

        You have sex with women in prison. It's crazy.

    18. BPBridget Phetasy40:38

        I think Constantine had a really funny tweet about that, where he's like, it's, "I would like someone to do a study on how many people, um, experience gender dysphoria in the courtroom when they're being sentenced." (laughs) You know? It's like-

    19. JRJoe Rogan40:50

        (laughs) It's probably pretty high.

    20. BPBridget Phetasy40:52

        Yeah. Like, "Excuse me, I'm, I'm-"

    21. JRJoe Rogan40:54

        Yeah. Also, you're-

    22. BPBridget Phetasy40:54

        ... "I'm a female now."

    23. JRJoe Rogan40:55

        ... you're dealing with liars and murderers and con artists and criminals. And of course they're gonna find a way to exploit this little loophole, and this new loophole that didn't exist a decade ago.

    24. BPBridget Phetasy41:06

        Yeah. I think people who are voting for these, uh, in particular in California, you're seeing so many of these policies get put into law and they're gonna have long term effects. And Abigail Shrier just did a whole long form article on, uh, where was that? She just was writing about how they've kind of decriminalized prostitution, basically. So they've made it harder for the police to, if they see some-something, s- a young girl who looks like she might be pimped, to actually intervene and stop. And she, in her article is like, "Who is this even helping in this, in this law?" But again, she mentions this in her article, it's generally hurts poor women who don't really have a voice, these laws. So, and this is this idea of luxury beliefs. You can, you can afford to have this belief, because it's not really gonna affect you or your daughter. As the women from Women's Liberation Front said, are these women who are out there saying, "Sex work is work. Yes, queen. Go do it," are they encouraging their daughters to go into sex work? No.

    25. JRJoe Rogan42:14

        Hm.

    26. BPBridget Phetasy42:14

        They're encouraging them to go to USC and become a filmmaker. They're encouraging them to get into Harvard. They're encouraging them to go ...

    27. JRJoe Rogan42:22

        Don't you think a lot of the people that are saying that don't have daughters?

    28. BPBridget Phetasy42:26

        Oh, that's a good point.

    29. JRJoe Rogan42:27

        I think there's a lot of that.

    30. BPBridget Phetasy42:28

        Like-
11. 42:48 – 52:05

    Drag Queen Story Hour vs. sexualized performances: internet amplification and culture-war incentives

    1. JRJoe Rogan42:48

       Don't have children, I meant. Um, like you see, I've, I've seen some of those arguments about drag queen shows for kids, like family-friendly drag queen shows.

    2. BPBridget Phetasy42:57

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:58

       Which is a very bizarre thing. It's-

    4. BPBridget Phetasy43:00

       Mike-

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:01

       It's very bizarre that that is m- that's not a singular event.

    6. BPBridget Phetasy43:05

       (laughs)

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:06

       That, that, that's just, there's a lot of that going around.When I've seen this argument that, where people are saying like, you know, "I would want my, you know, child to grow up and know that you can express yourself in any way possible." Okay, well, how would you feel about family-friendly strip shows?

    8. BPBridget Phetasy43:23

       Right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan43:23

       Where you have biological women that are sticking their ass out and put a, put a, a dollar in her G-string, Billy.

    10. BPBridget Phetasy43:29

        (laughs)

    11. JRJoe Rogan43:29

        You know, like you would, you would be weirded out by that, right?

    12. BPBridget Phetasy43:32

        It's-

    13. JRJoe Rogan43:32

        Well, it's not much different because it's sexualized. Like a drag queen show, in a lot of ways, is sexualized. And so, you're, you're sexualizing this idea of these men, many of them have autogynephilia. They like, they get a sexual kink out of dressing up as women, and then they're doing that in front of children. And then the children are sup-... Like, it's one thing to say, "Hey, they should be able to do whatever they want." People love drag queen shows. You should definitely be able to do that if you're a grown man. But it's another thing to say, "Let's take children to see this."

    14. BPBridget Phetasy44:08

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan44:08

        "And encourage this, and also encourage these children to participate and to go and give them money and, and..." You know, I've, I've seen these drag queen shows where there's a woman, a, a transwoman or a drag... I don't know how they identify. But with a G-string and high heels with, uh, stars covering their nipples, and they have giant fake tits. And they're holding hands with this little child, and everyone's cheering. And th- they're walking the little child around and showing them how to twerk. I'm like, "This is fucking wild."

    16. BPBridget Phetasy44:38

        (laughs)

    17. JRJoe Rogan44:39

        'Cause it's only sexual, so you're sexualizing this in front of these children, which is very weird.

    18. BPBridget Phetasy44:45

        But I feel like... Okay, so there's Drag Queen Story Hour, and then there's dr-... This is a different thing, right? This isn't like... This is just p- people going to drag queen shows?

    19. JRJoe Rogan44:57

        No, they're having drag queen shows for children. There, there's been a lot of, you know, a lot of the far-right people, the, the far right. A lot of, you know, Christians were protesting against this. And then-

    20. BPBridget Phetasy45:09

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan45:09

        ... they find it offensive and libs of TikTok will, you know, find these videos and post it. And the thing is, it's like it's not one. It's not just one instance where some wacky community thought it was cool to do this. It's like, "Why is this happening and why was this never happening before?" And as this, um... Is this a side effect of openness and tolerance where... Because we're, you know, more open-minded towards people that are trans or drag queens or what have you, in that there's going to be like some outer l- limits of this push. You know, like what-

    22. BPBridget Phetasy45:44

        So-

    23. JRJoe Rogan45:45

        You've seen that, right?

    24. BPBridget Phetasy45:46

        Yeah, yeah. I've seen it. I, I think it's... It's always interesting because, like, libs of T-... It's easy to, like, cherry pick one or two things. And like you said, there's many instances of this, and I've seen them, and I don't understand, like, bringing your child to something like this. I, I don't know how, like, common that is or if it's a cherry-picked instance that now gets picked up by everybody as kind of charm and passed around, and it's something that happened once. And now it seems like, "Oh, everyone's doing this." And they'll do-

    25. JRJoe Rogan46:20

        It's not everyone. But the thing about the internet is there's so many instances, there's so many of them, and then people see those instances and they duplicate it, which is-

    26. BPBridget Phetasy46:30

        Right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan46:30

        It becomes acceptable.

    28. BPBridget Phetasy46:32

        Right. So I guess the, like, pushback I've heard from... My whole question is like, how did Drag Queen S- Story Hour, let's just talk about Story Hour, become a thing?

    29. JRJoe Rogan46:43

        Right.

    30. BPBridget Phetasy46:43

        When did-
12. 52:05 – 58:44

    Surrogacy ethics and the ‘third party’ in the transaction: the child

    1. BPBridget Phetasy52:05

       I mean, I've definitely... You mentioned, like, surrogacy. I think one of the things I- I feel the most confused and uncertain about now in my adult being a mom life is surrogacy. I- I- I don't know how... It's like one of those things where if someone said, "What have you changed your mind on?" I don't know that I've changed my mind, I just don't know if I- how I feel about it anymore.

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:29

       It's a weird issue.

    3. BPBridget Phetasy52:31

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:31

       I- I have a- a... These friends of mine back in LA that are a gay couple that hired a woman to become a surrogate and she decided to keep the kid.

    5. BPBridget Phetasy52:39

       Oh, really?

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:40

       Mm-hmm.

    7. BPBridget Phetasy52:40

       You can do that?

    8. JRJoe Rogan52:41

       Yep. It was... Well, it was her egg because they were gay, and so-

    9. BPBridget Phetasy52:45

       Oh, 'cause it's usually not their egg.

    10. JRJoe Rogan52:47

        Uh-huh. Yeah. And, uh, I- she kept the kid. I don't know if they decided to fight it or they just let it go, but she was so broken up. Like, when the baby was born-

    11. BPBridget Phetasy52:58

        Was she her first kid?

    12. JRJoe Rogan52:59

        ... she was so attached. Yeah, I believe so.

    13. BPBridget Phetasy53:00

        Oh, see 'cause- see, the one-

    14. JRJoe Rogan53:01

        I don't know. I- you know what? I should not say that. I'm not sure.

    15. BPBridget Phetasy53:03

        The one good thing is... Well, one of the things that I've learned as I've gone down this rabbit hole is that in most states, many states, you have to have at least had a child before, so you're... It's not totally like how can you consent to something that you don't know?

    16. JRJoe Rogan53:19

        Right.

    17. BPBridget Phetasy53:19

        Like, how can you consent to giving up a child if you've never had a child? So, I think usually there's a law in place that you have to have had a child. And look, I've heard many stories of like, "Oh, my friend had g-... A friend had cancer and I had the baby for her." And people are like, "I- if it's, you know, the- the free market, if a- if a gay couple wants to get a- an egg from somewhere and then they wanna have a mother incubate that egg, w- what's the problem?" But I'm like, "Yeah, but there's a third individual in this free market transaction, which is a child." And that's where I've become very like, "Okay, but what about the kid? They have-"

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:02

        Well, it depends entirely about who the parents are, right?

    19. BPBridget Phetasy54:04

        It- But they still have to... They still have some kind of... They don't have any say in the matter, but I don't... I guess I just have a issue talking about kids as if they're like a commodity.

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:16

        Yeah, but you also never have any say who your parents are in the first place. You could be born to crackheads. Should we stop crackheads from having babies? We don't.

    21. BPBridget Phetasy54:24

        Right.

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:24

        You know, we- we- do we-

    23. BPBridget Phetasy54:25

        That's fair.

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:25

        ... stop alcoholics and- and people who smoke cigarettes from having babies? We don't.It's like, y- y- it's, it's very complicated, 'cause th- you could definitely see a place where that would be a beautiful gesture. That, like, when you're talking about if someone has cancer and they can't have a baby or they lost their womb or whatever, and then someone says, "I'm your friend. I'll have the baby for you," and they act as a surrogate.

    25. BPBridget Phetasy54:48

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:48

        You could see a lot of positives and people-

    27. BPBridget Phetasy54:50

        Totally.

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:50

        ... that would be great parents-

    29. BPBridget Phetasy54:51

        And I know many-

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:52

        ... that were denied that.
13. 58:44 – 1:06:19

    Freedom labeled ‘far right’: Canada’s trucker protests, media framing, and digital control fears

    1. JRJoe Rogan58:44

       That hard right shit. Did you see the fucking article today? Um, there was a thing on the CBC and it was talking about the word freedom and that the word freedom is being used many times by, uh, far-right activists. Freedom. Here, I'll send it to you, Jamie, 'cause this is, this is so fucking w- Canada is so fucking wild right now.

    2. BPBridget Phetasy59:06

       (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan59:06

       It's such a, such a, like, really crazy place. Here it is. "Why the word 'freedom' is such a useful rallying cry (laughs) for protestors."

    4. BPBridget Phetasy59:15

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan59:16

       "The word has become common amongst far-right groups." So by s- by putting that far-

    6. BPBridget Phetasy59:21

       Wow.

    7. JRJoe Rogan59:21

       ... right in there, far right, b- like, there's no indication whatsoever that those truckers in Canada were far right. A lot of those are working class people-

    8. BPBridget Phetasy59:32

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan59:32

       ... that just did not like the idea that they were being forced to do this medical procedure in order to keep their job and so they label them as far right.

    10. BPBridget Phetasy59:40

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan59:40

        Trudeau personally labeled them as racists and misogynists.... just like, just so he could disparage them-

    12. BPBridget Phetasy59:46

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan59:47

        ... just so, like, whatever they say doesn't mean anything.

    14. BPBridget Phetasy59:49

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan59:49

        So, this is what they're doing here. With the term freedom, which is, like, one of the most basic tenets for human rights, your liberty as a human being, your ability to express yourself, your ability to talk about things, to protest, to do what you want-

    16. BPBridget Phetasy1:00:03

        That's what I mean.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

        ... freedom is so fucking important.

    18. BPBridget Phetasy1:00:05

        Inherent in the idea of a free country is the right to protest.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:10

        Right.

    20. BPBridget Phetasy1:00:10

        They go hand in hand. That's why that headline is beyond parody.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

        But it's actually something that's being pushed on the CBC, which is really crazy.

    22. BPBridget Phetasy1:00:21

        Well, it's sinister.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

        'Cause, like, they, they're setting you up for this idea that you requesting freedom, it's like, i- it puts you in the category of anti-vaxxers or racists or-

    24. BPBridget Phetasy1:00:30

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

        ... far right people. It's just these weird ways that mainstream media has fallen into labeling people in order to pass an agenda and pass this, this, b- b- b- to put this narrative out there. But the, the, the fact that they're willing to do it with something that is so important, like freedom.

    26. BPBridget Phetasy1:00:51

        Like protesting.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:00:52

        Yeah.

    28. BPBridget Phetasy1:00:52

        Protesting is fundamental to freedom, so to say that using the word freedom is something that protestors use, you're basically, this is like-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

        (sighs) But not just protest-

    30. BPBridget Phetasy1:01:04

        ... China stuff.
14. 1:06:19 – 1:15:28

    Universal basic income, healthcare strain, and the basics that help people climb out of survival mode

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:06:19

       Well, who's pushing for universal basic income?

    2. BPBridget Phetasy1:06:22

       (laughs)

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:06:22

       Who's pushing for, who's pushing for redistribution of wealth? That's all the people on the left.

    4. BPBridget Phetasy1:06:28

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:06:28

       And the people that are pushing for redistribution of wealth and universal basic income, if they can say that you shouldn't be forced to work, and that your needs should be met by a society that has exorbitant wealth, and that the way to have a more equitable society is to have these people with exorbitant wealth that, you know, they got this wealth by exploiting the middle class and the lower class, and that should be redistributed, th- that's, that's where it becomes an issue, because that's all being... That, that narrative is being pushed by the left, almost entirely. And that's one of the ways that you could say, like, if you wanted to reinforce the idea that, you know, not working hard and not struggling and really, like, putting in an immense amount of effort in order to succeed and, you know, pushing this idea, this capitalist narrative that, y- you know, that all that stuff is, in fact, negative, and that all that stuff is, in fact, connected to the far right, connected-

    6. BPBridget Phetasy1:07:23

       (clears throat)

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:07:23

       ... to people that want to suppress other people's rights and take away a woman's right to choose and, you know, all these other different things, y- you could do that, uh, far easier by promoting that idea to the left.

    8. BPBridget Phetasy1:07:35

       Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm not sure how I feel about universal basic income either, because I don't know enough about it. I do know if i- I do know some of the studies they've done, people generally, if they are given, like, a baseline, it doesn't make them lazier. They actually work harder, and they, it's enough to help them pull themself up out of that, like-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:07:54

       Well, Kyle Kulinski talked about this.

    10. BPBridget Phetasy1:07:56

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:07:56

        We talked about the Stockton experiment, what they did in Stockton.

    12. BPBridget Phetasy1:07:59

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:07:59

        And it, it's a small amount, it's like $500 a month, I believe.

    14. BPBridget Phetasy1:08:02

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:08:02

        But it had a, an overall net positive effect.

    16. BPBridget Phetasy1:08:04

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:08:05

        And a very, very small amount of that money was spent on things like drugs or alcohol.

    18. BPBridget Phetasy1:08:10

        Right.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:08:10

        And most of it was spent on rent and food and improving people's education opportunities. It seems like a little bit of money for low-income families is a very good thing.

    20. BPBridget Phetasy1:08:20

        Oh, yeah. Even with the, you know, the childcare money that they were giving out-

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:08:24

        Yes, yes.

    22. BPBridget Phetasy1:08:24

        ... and then they stopped that, that had huge effects.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:08:27

        Super po- 50% increase in, uh, or, or 50% decrease, rather, in, in child, uh, malnutrition, poverty-

    24. BPBridget Phetasy1:08:35

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:08:36

        ... uh, children not having enough food, like 50%.

    26. BPBridget Phetasy1:08:39

        Yeah, I don't know why they-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:08:41

        Which is...

    28. BPBridget Phetasy1:08:41

        ... stopped that, I guess. I mean, maybe-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:08:42

        Probably 'cause they want to keep us at each other's throats.

    30. BPBridget Phetasy1:08:44

        Yeah. (laughs)

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