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(drum music plays) Joe Rogan podcast,…
- JRJoe Rogan
(drum music plays) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) Let's fucking go. Oh, we're live.
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Hello, Dave Smith.
- DSDave Smith
Hello, sir.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see you, my brother.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, it's great to be back.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fun times last night.
- DSDave Smith
Unbelievable, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that was your first, uh, voyage aboard the mothership.
- DSDave Smith
Yes, it sure was.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
If you're gonna get abducted by aliens at a comedy club, it's the one to, to be at.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, imagine? Imagine if they showed up there?
- DSDave Smith
I imagine if they were gonna pick a comedy club to start abducting people-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
... it would be yours.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they would know that we, we'd be open.
- DSDave Smith
(laughs) That's, that's true.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, Joe Probst would probably, like, charge them. (laughs)
- DSDave Smith
(laughs) Whereas you would gre- you would welcome them in.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, I'd put them on the guest list.
- DSDave Smith
It is. I know, I just, I feel like I'm just saying the same thing everyone does, but the club is really amazing, man. You did an incredible job.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's pretty dope. Well, it wasn't me. I mean, it was sort of, but it was a lot of people, and, uh, a lot of it, R- Richard Weiss, the, uh, architect and designer. He's the fucking man. He did an incredible job. The whole thing's just very bizarre, you know?
- DSDave Smith
But-
- JRJoe Rogan
If it wasn't mine, I'd really be able to appreciate it.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, I'm sure (laughs) that's true.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
But it's cool to see something, you know, like, uh, there's something cool about having a concept in your head and then seeing it manifest into reality.
- 15:00 – 30:00
Yeah. …
- JRJoe Rogan
action, in my, um, in my opinion is y- you're addressing a problem without addressing the root of the problem. The root of the problem is why are so many people of color disenfranchised? Why are so many people who grow up in neighborhoods where there's rampant crime and violence, and why haven't they fixed those fucking neighborhoods? They're dumping so much money into all these problems overseas. We have systemic problems in America that never get addressed.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Until those ... And this is like generations it takes to fix these problems. Generat- it's like a long term strategy. But I've always said this, if you wanna make America the best, what would be the best way to do that? Well, you want less losers. Right? So what's the best way to have fewer losers? To give more people opportunities. So where, who are the people that have the least opportunities? The people who are in the most fucked places. Those are, you could fix that. There's ways you could, you could dump tons of money and resources into inner cities, into these problem areas, with law enforcement, with, with community centers. Places where people could go where they, they have, uh, like things to do and people can train them in, in, in whether it's athletics or a b- different jobs and different thing, and g- and show them and mentor them. That's all-
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's not like prohibitively impossible. You're not saying like, they all deserve their own nuclear power plant. You're, you're-
- DSDave Smith
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I'm saying? It's like, what you're, what you're saying is ph- totally doable. And that's the way to fix all these problems of disparity, because people that grow up in wealthy communities where everyone is sort of trying to achieve things, there's a vibe of those places. And so many of those people from those places wind up succeeding.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, I think it's, uh, a lot of it, I think, also is that there's a very kind of like shallow narrative about what it is that keeps people in these areas down.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DSDave Smith
And so it's kind of like, you know, um, w- i- it's j- just all, well, it's racism or it's systemic racism, just these kind of terms that don't, aren't specific.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DSDave Smith
It's like wait, what, what is actually happening here?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DSDave Smith
And so much of the problem is that like, like the kind of culture and family units have just been destroyed. Like, they've been decimated. And then it's like, you could, you can pump money into like the public schools there, which we do. We spend a lot of money on public schools, and they're still crappy schools and the, the results are still bad. And if you're not like, you know, even back in, um ... And there's a lot of like, um, uh, like Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell, who are both like two-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DSDave Smith
... uh, Black conservative, really brilliant thinkers. They, they both wrote a lot about this, how like in the '40s, even d- during, there was, you know, segregation in the South, and there was like a whole bunch of horrible policies. But even back then, you know, um, you could walk around Harlem with no threat of like violence or anything like that, and family units were together. I believe the Black legitimacy rate was higher than the white legitimacy rate at the time. And there were a lot of policies that came in that really destroyed, like, the, the, the family unit. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
Like what policies?
- DSDave Smith
Well-... the rise of the welfare state was a really big one. Uh, it kind of subsidized single parenthood, which is- it's- people respond to incentives, even though it seems like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DSDave Smith
... that's an ugly thing to think. But if you subsid- if you pay people for having children out of wedlock, you do get more of it than you otherwise would have. And the other major one to me was the, um, the war on drugs-
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs)
- DSDave Smith
... which I just think was absolutely devastating to these, these neighborhoods. It's, you know, when just like with prohibition of alcohol, where we, I think was still the highest, uh, homicide rate in American history was u- under prohibition of alcohol. And, um, and then when, once they legalized alcohol again, it drastically reduced in the next few years. The same thing with the prohibition of drugs. You create these black markets. You create a lot of, like, violent crime.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DSDave Smith
And that's what's really destroying these, these neighborhoods, is like the violent gang culture. And it's all built and funded around drugs that would- the black markets for which would not exist if we just called the whole thing off.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's just calling the whole thing off is so scary politically 'cause if you were a guy like, uh, Joe Biden that said, "I'm gonna legalize all drugs," you know, people would fucking turn on you. They'd freak the fuck out.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah. The- well- the- getting the political will up to do it is something. But I mean, you even see it, even with this, you know, we got like 100,000 ODs a year now. And so much of it is driven by the fact that people are getting fentanyl in shit-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- DSDave Smith
... that they don't even know it- that's not supposed to have fentanyl in it-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
... 'cause it's in black markets. And Joe Biden is absolutely... I mean, it's hard to, like, hate him so much now 'cause he's so old and senile. It's hard to even hold him responsible. But his career, he was like probably the, the worst person on this issue. Joe Biden since the '80s was pushing ramp ups in the war on drugs. He, he challenged Ronald Reagan from the right, uh, partnered up with Strom Thurmond, uh, and was, was criticizing Reagan for being too soft on drugs. And then he was the one who authored, uh, the crime bill-
- 30:00 – 45:00
Yeah. …
- DSDave Smith
there's also something to... You know. Look, I don't know exactly. I, I... In fact, I haven't heard him address it. I'm sure he has. But I don't know exactly where he is on his uncle and his father's, you know, uh, assassinations. But I know that his dad-... was completely convinced that the, that the JFK assassination was a conspiracy that they weren't telling us about. He did not buy at all-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
... into the like Lee Harvey Oswald lone, you know, wolf thing. Um, so it's gotta also be, you're a different type of outsider to the system if you believe the CIA killed your uncle.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
That's a little bit different than just-
- JRJoe Rogan
And maybe your dad, too.
- DSDave Smith
And maybe your dad, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
That's a little bit different than just like, you know, "While I disagree with my opponent, I respect his, (laughs) you know, opinion." Or something like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
That's a real like, no, you understand how evil and corrupt this system is. And that's what makes him an attractive candidate to me. I like people who recognize how evil and corrupt the system is, 'cause it really is both of those things.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he's got direct connection to it. I mean-
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it, it was evil to his family.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, and it's just ... Have you read The Real Anthony Fauci? His book?
- DSDave Smith
No. I, I haven't. I've, I've heard him talk about it in, in-
- JRJoe Rogan
Holy shit.
- DSDave Smith
... several different interviews. Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If he hasn't been sued yet, and he hasn't been sued yet for it, like does that mean it's true? I mean, he's got so many references in that book. If you read that book, just when they talk about what they did during the AIDS pandemic.
- DSDave Smith
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Holy shit, man.
- DSDave Smith
Fauci's a very bad guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
The, what they did th- I mean, in the book, I mean, I don't wanna paraphrase. I wanna make sure I'm, I'm accurate about this, but they tested vaccines on foster kids, including babies. Like when you read what they did during the pandemic, and it's f- spooky fucking shit. Also, like the application of AZT as a treatment?
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That AZT was a, uh, chemotherapy medication that was killing people quicker than cancer. It's scary stuff, man. When you, when he, when he talks about Arthur Ashe, and Arthur Ashe taking AZT and dying very quickly afterwards, and that Arthur Ashe didn't even like have any symptoms before he s- got on medication?
- DSDave Smith
Yeah. Well, it's one of, I think-
- JRJoe Rogan
(coughs)
- DSDave Smith
... one of the things that, um, people, uh, a lot of people have woken up to this over the last few years with all of the COVID insanity. Um, and I think a lot of people have woken up to this over, say, the last 20 years of all the disastrous wars in the Middle East, is that it's very ... (sighs) it's very easy for them to just be like, "Oh, look. We have consensus amongst the expert class." You know, like, "We have consensus amongst the scientists that this is, we need lockdowns and then we need these vaccine mandates and we need all of this, and all the sci- this is the science." The scientists agree.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
He gave a hell…
- JRJoe Rogan
so well.
- DSDave Smith
He gave a hell of a speech.
- JRJoe Rogan
Great president.
- DSDave Smith
He really gave a hell of a speech.
- JRJoe Rogan
Great statesman.
- DSDave Smith
He's ... I ... It's, it's ... People forget how good he was. The job aged him a lot too.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- DSDave Smith
So he wasn't as good at the end as he was at the beginning, but if you go listen to his, um ... It's nonsense. It's mostly just like gooey nothingness, but if you listen to his speech at the, um, the 2008, uh, Democratic National Convention, his official acceptance speech, it's just like ... It's a masterclass on h- on public speaking. He would just say these things, even when they were like meaningless, but he would ... Like, I remember ... I'm trying to think if I can remember. He has this thing where he's like, uh, he's like, he's like, "I love this country, and so do you, and so does John McCain. The men and women who have fought and died in our Armed Forces have been Democrats, and Republicans, and Independents, but they did not die defending a red America or a blue America. They died defending the United States of America." And it's like, waah!
- JRJoe Rogan
Woo!
- DSDave Smith
It's like a ... But the way he would deliver it-
- JRJoe Rogan
Woo!
- DSDave Smith
... is so like ... It really just tugs at your-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
... like insides and makes you like, "Goddamn." And then after a little while you walk away and you're like, "Wait, but what did he say?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. (laughs)
- DSDave Smith
You're like, "Oh, that was nothing." I mean, it was nothing. It wasn't like, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
But that's a uniting thing.
- DSDave Smith
He did say some good things when he ran though.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
He did. I mean, he, he ran on some really good policies like ending the, uh, the, the wars, and uh, closing Guantanamo Bay, and repealing the Patriot Act, and restoring the rule of law, and you know, ending torture, and all.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
The shame is he did none of it. Um, and I think that's ... Uh, like I, I go back and forth. You could pick like any president really of my lifetime and you'd be like, "Who ruined the 21st century for America?" Um, you could certainly make an argument for George W. Bush, um, and Dick Cheney, but there's something about Obama. I think I, I put probably more blame than anyone else on him, because he was ... He was supposed to be the response. And like that's ... The way this system of government is supposed to work, or so they say, is like, "Well, we have these democratic procies- processes, you know, so you can," um, you know, "if they're ... if you're upset with these guys, you can kick the bums out and vote for these guys." And obviously we all know it's like the w- then they narrow it down to two teams, and those two teams happen to have the same policy when it comes to, you know, the military-industrial complex, or the banking-industrial complex, or the pharmaceutical-industrial complex. They're all on the same s- ... So that's how the uni-party works. Like no matter who you vote in-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
... they're all supposed to be ... But the country was so furious with George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who handed him two disastrous failed wars and the worst financial crisis in 100 years. And they were so furious with them that they voted the most opposite thing they could. You know, the m- this junior senator, Constitutional lawyer, brilliant, articulate, you know, everything that was the opposite of George W. Bush. And he was supposed to be the answer, and then he got in and just continued the Bush, like the Bush administration. It might as well have been the third and fourth term of George W. Bush. And that is where the country spins out, to me.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
That's where you end up with Trump.
- JRJoe Rogan
I bet if you were friends with Obama, if you could ... if you really were friends with him, if you could have a couple of drinks, maybe spark up a joint and talk to that guy, if he really trusted you and knew you were never gonna tell anybody-
- DSDave Smith
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... I bet he could tell you some shit.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah. I bet you're right.
- 1:00:00 – 1:10:08
And- …
- DSDave Smith
America is the lone superpower. And this really is like what all of those guys said, like all the neoconservatives, like the Project for a New American Century and those guys. They were like, "This is our moment. We can do whatever we want. We are the ... like, we are the sole power in the world." And what they wanted to do was a lot of really awful things. Um, but the ... it almost created so much power and so much hubris that they just think they can get away with everything, like there's no limit on what they can do. And it turns out that actually you're not gods, you're just people. And all of these, this carefully perfect like, "Okay. Well, this is what we'll do, and then this is what's gonna happen. You know, we'll overthrow Saddam Hussein, and then democracy will sweep the region." And it's like, no. It's actually not gonna work out that way. And to me, to me, that's the whole story of the, the war in Ukraine right now too. It was all like, "We're, we're gonna ... We've got this perfect plan."... that we'll just keep expanding NATO, and we'll just keep interfering. We'll have these color-coded revolutions. We'll take over more and more, and we'll, we will be the dominant force. And it's like, yeah, well, there's consequences to that. It doesn't, doesn't just work as perfectly as you planned it out.
- JRJoe Rogan
And-
- DSDave Smith
Just like with all the wars in the Middle East.
- JRJoe Rogan
And what's happening now is very spooky.
- DSDave Smith
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's really spooky because so many people are dying, and they're trying to put a positive spin on it. It's like, what is the end game here?
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
How does this end?
- DSDave Smith
Well, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
How is there not negotiations? And when Trump says that he... it would've never happened when he was in office, and he would be able to stop it now, like people listen to that and like, that's dangerous too. That's dangerous to, to, to, to have this one solution. Like if... He's gonna fix it. He's gonna fix it. Hey, what if he can't? What if he can't?
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What if this is a thing that's just like Eisenhower warned everyone about? What if this is a thing? What if, what... There's a fucking whole business, just like we're in the business of telling jokes. You know, people who make pies are in the business of pie-making, and people who make war are in the business of war-making. And once that machine gets moving, I mean, it's like a tank with no brakes.
- DSDave Smith
It's certainly very hard to stop it, and we haven't figured out-
- JRJoe Rogan
It seems like it's hard to stop it.
- DSDave Smith
We haven't figured out how to yet. And, you know, Donald Trump can say that, and I would say I think his rhetoric has been much better on this than Joe Biden's, and at least he's talking about negotiating.
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you think he could stop it? You think, do you think there's a way to somehow or anoth- Does the president have that kind of power where the president could go in and say, "I wanna meet with Putin. I wanna, uh, organize a negotiation. I wanna end this right now."
- DSDave Smith
He could say it-
- JRJoe Rogan
And then-
- DSDave Smith
You know, and then see what... I don't know. You know, I, I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
He would have to get NATO to pull their arms back.
- DSDave Smith
Well, the... I mean, the president c- could certainly u- has a lot of leverage there. You know what I mean? Like, there's a-
- JRJoe Rogan
How much power do you think they really genuinely have?
- DSDave Smith
That's an interesting question. I don't know exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think that's what Putin's-
- DSDave Smith
I-
- JRJoe Rogan
... point was about getting into office.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, I think, I think that's, that's what he was saying, and it does seem like there's a lot of truth to that. I also... One of the things that makes me, um, skeptical about how great Trump would be on this is that Trump wasn't very good on this issue while he was in. I mean, Trump was the one who sent the weapons into Ukraine. Uh, this is... You know, when he got impeached, it was famously over, um... The Ukrainegate thing was, he said, um, he was, uh, they said it was a quid pro quo where he was holding up the weapons, putting pressure on Zelenskyy to investigate the Bidens. But the part of that story that doesn't get talked about that much is that then he caved and he gave them the weapons, and this was a major pr- this was a major, uh, reason, I think, why this war ended up happening. And what they said at the time was that they were sending in the weapons to, um, to deter the Russians.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- DSDave Smith
And so either, either they're really bad at deterrents or it actually was a provocation, um, 'cause it certainly didn't deter Vladimir Putin from going in. Um, and I think that... And Trump also got us out of the INF Treaty. Um, he also like... It was just... He was not good on this. He was... In fact, I think he was trying to prove how much he wasn't a Russian agent.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, interesting.
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