Joe Rogan Experience #2009 - Duncan Trussell

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Joe Rogan 0:13 All right, let's go play. Let's go. What's happening? Hello, doctor. Hello, doctor. Hello. I feel good to be in a lab coat. It feels like, um, my opinion means more. Dude, it does. I mean, I l- this is freaking incredible. Like, the, you don't realize the power in costumes until you got a lab coat on. Like, if we were walking around a CVS... Right. ... people would ask us for advice. Yes. They'd probably be like, "Is this the right spray for me?" Isn't it amazing? It's amazing. Like, what is the purpose of a lab coat? Like, why this particular coat? What does this... Does this provide any protection? Is it, uh, good for the act? You want monkey blood? You want monkey blood on your good shirt? Like... Oh. ... you gotta, like, wear the lab coat 'cause, like, you get blood. Right. In the late 19th and

Joe Rogan 1:00 20th, early 20th centuries, when many scientific breakthroughs happened, the white lab coat started to symbolize cleanliness and scientific rigor. Not only it made doctors and scientists easily distinguishable, but it also made spotting any contamination easier. That makes sense. Was that a problem back then, mixing up your doctor with your scientist? Is that a real problem? Was that what they're saying? It says it makes doctors and scientists more easily dis-... Oh, together. Yeah. 'Cause they're both wearing- They're both wearing lab coats. ... oh, it's not like costumes, like doctor costumes- (laughs) No. ... scientist... (laughs) Right. You go to the doctor, "Doctor, help me." "I'm not that kinda doctor." (laughs) "I'm a PhD." (laughs) "I study nuclear atoms." I like that that acknowledges that this is a kind of, uh, ceremonial outfit. Yeah. Right. It's a priest's robe because it's, like, symbolic more than practical for some people. Well, there's a bunch of those, right? Like the judge's robe. Oh my God, that's so weird. How weird is that? Because if you had a guy who was dressed, like, in a golf shirt with, like, shorts on- Yeah. ... and a pair of Nikes, and he's, like, ruling judgment on things, you'd be like, "Fuck that guy. Who's that guy?" Yeah. "He's a regular guy." (laughs) Yeah, like a tan- (laughs) Like a tank top. (laughs) Yeah. A dude in a tank top sending you to life. With a mullet. (laughs) A dude who's dressed like Joe Dirt. Also, the hammer. Right. They bang the hammer to, like, signify that justice has been served. What a weird trick. That is a we-... I mean, this is... When you realize how all of society has got occult aspects to it. Like, those are people in ceremonial clothes- Yes, yeah. ... banging a ceremonial hammer. Y- if not occult, definitely cult. Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, cu- it's like... Yeah. Yeah, what is the d- what's the v-... well, the root of cult and occult? Like, what is the, the, the connection to those to- those two words? The devil. Satan. (laughs) Satan. There's, uh, gotta be some kind of connection, right? Doesn't it-

Duncan Trussell 3:08 The, the fascinating thing about cults is that when they get to a certain size, we stop calling them cults. Yeah. Like, they're really successful... Well, the, the idea is

Duncan Trussell 3:17 that there's no such thing as a successful cult, and that's really just not true. Okay, the words "cult" and "occult" are popular terms that should not be confused as one another, so what are the differences between them? Cult... No, the, the term "cult" typically is used by the secular media to describe religious or semi-religious groups whose members are controlled in almost every single respect by a single individual. Hmm. Huh. Some good examples are Hari Christians and Scientologists. But that's not, like, a single individual. I don't think that's a good definition. You know what I'm saying? Uh... By a single individual? Well- That's not- ... i think that is a- ... it's a group. ... m- that's the classic... I mean, the- ... right, but they're saying Scientology. Scientology clearly has an organization. I mean, there's one guy that's the head of Scientology, but- Yeah. ... they have, like, a whole... they're, they're very... it's a very complex organization. Very complex. Oh, well, I mean, I think the idea is that the... so the, the main cult leader generally has, like- The doctrine. ... you know, deputies around him. Okay. Like, uh, you know, he has his own sort of close inner circle. Hmm. Right. In that case, it's true, right? And the bigger it gets, then the deputies have deputies, or whatever you wanna call it, and then, and that's how you get a big, functional cult. Right, right. You know, and, and l- I think probably... I mean, it would be safe to say that r-... a successful cult passes that barrier- Mm-hmm. ... between "What, what the fuck? You guys believe that shit?" to "What the fuck? You don't believe that shit?" Like, your cult doctrine becomes the, like, language of truth. Yeah. And then you've succeeded, like, then your cult went... that's like the, the, the... you, you're one in 100 million, maybe. Most cults just fail, I imagine. Yeah, that, but that seems to be a, just a natural pattern for, for human thinking and behaving, that we, uh, for whatever reason, like, naturally fall into groupthink. Oh, yeah. And it, it happens. And if we're led by a very strong, charismatic person that we think is exceptional, we'll, we'll accept it. Yeah, right. Like, you... and, and I... You know, we've talked about this. I can see the function in that. Like, if you, like, if you're in a situation that you don't know how to handle, you want the person who's the best at handling the situation to say, "Here's what we do." Yeah. And then that's great, then that's when it works. Right. But it should only be... it should be situational, right? Right. It shouldn't be like you know everything. Right. That's where it turns into a cult. Well, that's like... W- that, that... what is that term that, uh, some people that are really smart...

Joe Rogan 5:52 ... uh, tend to believe they're really smart at other things, because they're really smart at one thing, they'll get, uh, a distor-... it's a very common term.

Duncan Trussell 6:00 I know what you're saying.

Joe Rogan 6:01 F-... uh, it's- it's at the tip of my tongue.

Duncan Trussell 6:02 It's a distortion.

Joe Rogan 6:03 But it- it's a thing that happens to you when you're really good at one thing, where you think you're just exceptional, period.

Duncan Trussell 6:09 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:09 And you think you know-

Duncan Trussell 6:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:10 ... more about m-... may-... you know, like, there are scientists that are really terrible about health. They're probably brilliant when it comes to certain aspects of-

Duncan Trussell 6:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 6:19 ... whatever it is they study. String theory.

Duncan Trussell 6:21 Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan 6:21 But their- their- their knowledge of health, their knowledge-

Duncan Trussell 6:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:24 ... of how to work their... Like, I've talked to scientists, they're like, "Oh, I don't think vitamins are important." Like, what the fuck are you saying?

Duncan Trussell 6:31 Dunning-Kruger.

Joe Rogan 6:32 Dunning-Kruger effect. Thank you. The smarter... Can you just put... Sorry. It

Joe Rogan 6:35 says, "The smarter you feel, the dumber you are. Uh, the dumb people think they are smart, and the smart people think they're dumb. Uh, if you're like most people, you'll likely be very good at something, and you openly admit you're less competent at something else."

Duncan Trussell 6:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:48 "However, we've all met someone in our work and life who always overestimates their knowledge or ability of a certain topic or skill. Where some people are obviously incompetent in a particular subject, they'll, like, confidently insist they know everything. That's when you start to wonder, how on earth could this person be that, well, stupid?"

Duncan Trussell 7:10 Stupid.

Joe Rogan 7:10 "In fact, this is not uncommon. Even William Shakespeare mentioned it 400-plus years ago, 'The fool thinks himself to be wise, while the wise man knows himself to be a fool.' Today, this phenomena is known as cognitive bias of illusionary superiority." So, um, but it-

Duncan Trussell 7:27 Wow.

Joe Rogan 7:27 ... but it does have something to do with you being good at something and being really stupid at other things because you think you're smart.

Duncan Trussell 7:34 What a great insult to tell someone that they have Dunning-Kruger.

Joe Rogan 7:40 A Dunning-Kruger. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 7:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:40 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 7:40 That is a great way to call someone dumb.

Joe Rogan 7:42 Yeah. Well, it's- it's interesting, 'cause that's what... This is the problem with the term dumb. Really what it is, is what are you focusing on? Because there's very intelligent people that didn't focus on communication.

Duncan Trussell 7:57 Right.

Joe Rogan 7:57 They didn't focus on language. They didn't focus on proper grammar or how to structure a good sentence.

Duncan Trussell 8:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:05 They focused on a particular act, whether it's swimming, or whether it's chess-

Duncan Trussell 8:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:10 ... or whether... They- they focused on a th-... whether it's playing guitar-

Duncan Trussell 8:14 Pool.

Joe Rogan 8:14 ... playing pool. I've met brilliant people playing pool.

Duncan Trussell 8:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 8:18 I think I've told you about my friend Johnny, who could do complex math in his head.

Duncan Trussell 8:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:24 I mean, he... and not com-... not complex, but math in his head. So, what you would do, you would- you would... one guy would have a calculator, and we would do this at the pool hall, and then we would go, "300 divided by 5 minus 4 plus 16 times 2." And he would bang. (snaps fingers)

Duncan Trussell 8:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:41 He would just rattle it out. We would go, "What the fuck, man?"

Duncan Trussell 8:45 Yeah. What i- what the fuck? How di-

Joe Rogan 8:46 What... And he was homeless.

Duncan Trussell 8:48 Did he say how he did the trick?

Joe Rogan 8:49 No, he just knew how to do it.

Duncan Trussell 8:51 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 8:51 He could just count. Dude, he was just insanely smart.

Duncan Trussell 8:56 But that imply-... like, that's... uh, there was a kid, uh, in my neighborhood who could do that, and it was the c-... like, he was annoyed, because once y- you are known as being able to do that, that's all people do. They don't want to talk to you. They just want-

Joe Rogan 9:09 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 9:09 ... to get you to solve complex math, and then we'll go like, "Holy fuck." But how-... like, it makes me think that, like, they're perceiving reality in a completely different way.

Joe Rogan 9:19 They must be. They must be.

Duncan Trussell 9:21 They have to be.

Joe Rogan 9:22 They must be.

Duncan Trussell 9:23 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 9:23 And this guy, Johnny, who-... he had a lot of mental health problems, like serious mental health problems and- and drug problems. But he was one of the most brilliant people I've ever met. Socially brilliant. You know, he was a pool hustler.

Duncan Trussell 9:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:37 But he's very socially brilliant, like he knew when people were full of shit.

Duncan Trussell 9:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:41 He knew when- when people's egos were flaring up. He knew, like-

Duncan Trussell 9:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 9:45 And he loved comedy. It was like his favorite thing. And so, I met him at the pool hall, and I took him to see comedy, and, uh, you know, took him to one of my shows, and he fucking loved it, and he's like, "Oh, I love when they call people out on their bullshit." Like, it was like-... he was like a social scientist-

Duncan Trussell 10:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:02 ... but also could play all these different musical instruments. Homeless. Homeless. I met a kid who was 16 years old, and, uh, he was a chess wizard who, like, wanted to hang out with the bad boys. It was really interesting, 'cause he was like this super nerd, but all of a sudden, he was hanging out with these guys who were smoking and gambling, and... He was 16-

Duncan Trussell 10:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:22 ... in this, like, really rough pool hall. And he would sit down with this guy who just got out of jail, and this guy had just got out of jail, and in jail, learned how to play chess in his head. So, they don't have a board. So, because they don't have a board-

Duncan Trussell 10:35 Wow.

Joe Rogan 10:35 ... they have to call out the numbers in their head.

Duncan Trussell 10:37 Nice.

Joe Rogan 10:37 So, I'm watching this f-... r- recently released prisoner and a 16-year-old super nerd play chess in their head, and they're calling it out, and I'm sitting there going, like-

Duncan Trussell 10:46 What?

Joe Rogan 10:46 It's like I'm watching (banging) them do magic.

Duncan Trussell 10:48 What?

Joe Rogan 10:49 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 10:50 So like, C to fourth seven?

Joe Rogan 10:51 Yep. Yep, yep. Yep. And they're keeping track of the whole-

Duncan Trussell 10:53 Wow.

Joe Rogan 10:53 ... table in their head.

Duncan Trussell 10:54 They just see it in their head?

Joe Rogan 10:55 Uh-huh. And there was no arguments, by the way.

Duncan Trussell 10:58 It's just... you know, you hear about... I've... you know, I think we talked about it at the Mothership the other night, but you- you hear about people who perceive numbers as colors or something, or as in- in a... their... it's like their brain has made a different connection, 'cause- 'cause if you think about, um, what our eyes do with photons, that's insane, that instantaneously, it forms time-space around you with, like, zero effort. Like, it's interpreting all this data, color, wavelengths, all that shit. It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 11:33 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 11:33 Grapheme color synthesia. So...

Joe Rogan 11:36 I wanna show you people playing chess in their head, 'cause it's crazy to watch.

Duncan Trussell 11:40 I wanna see it.

Joe Rogan 11:41 But what I was saying, there was no arguments. Like, they never said, "No, no, no. I had this, that, there." There was none of that.

Duncan Trussell 11:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:47 They knew exact-... they both knew exactly where everything was, and they were like, "Check. Check."

Duncan Trussell 11:52 Well, they're seeing the table in there clearly.

Joe Rogan 11:55 Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 11:55 It's like they- they- they-

Joe Rogan 11:55 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 11:56 ... it's going to visual. It's like they're just seeing it. And so...

Joe Rogan 11:59 And they're keeping track of all their pieces and all their opponent's pieces.

Duncan Trussell 12:04 Yeah.Yeah, man. I mean...

Joe Rogan 12:08 (laughs) That's wild. Watch them do it.

Duncan Trussell 12:10 Wow.

Joe Rogan 12:10 It's, it's really interesting to see.

Duncan Trussell 12:12 Do you have that?

12:13 It's called blindfolded chess.

Joe Rogan 12:15 Okay.

Duncan Trussell 12:15 Fucking weird.

12:15 It's a skill apparently. There's... I'm watching, I'm looking it up right now.

Joe Rogan 12:17 Oh, it's

Joe Rogan 12:18 gotta be a skill.

Duncan Trussell 12:18 There's videos of people teaching you how to do it.

Joe Rogan 12:20 Oh, wow.

Duncan Trussell 12:21 Um, but I'm trying to... This is just, like, people talking about it. I'm just trying to find a... Like a game, I guess. It's not showing two people, though. It's not... It's kinda hard to watch.

Joe Rogan 12:30 Is there one that says, uh, how t- uh, "two people playing blindfolded chess"?

Duncan Trussell 12:35 Uh, I figured something would pop up with people playing chess in a...

12:38 Is that it, ma- No.

Joe Rogan 12:41 Yeah. Right in t-

Duncan Trussell 12:42 Three-man chess is head-to-head-to-head mental combat. Like...

12:44 That's just a different kind of chess.

12:46 See, that's why I thought this was gonna be-

Joe Rogan 12:46 Wait, what is it called again?

Duncan Trussell 12:48 This is s- something else.

Joe Rogan 12:48 What, what... How do they... What are they called? Blindfolded chess?

Duncan Trussell 12:51 Blindfolded chess.

Joe Rogan 12:51 How about just type in "two people playing blindfolded chest"? Chess. There it is, blindfolded chess.

Duncan Trussell 13:00 Oh, it's just one guy.

Joe Rogan 13:03 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 13:04 Here's a guy playing 48 games blindfolded.

Joe Rogan 13:07 (laughs) Jesus Christ.

Duncan Trussell 13:08 Wow. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:09 What?

Duncan Trussell 13:09 While he's riding an exercise bike.

Joe Rogan 13:11 Oh, my God. That's so insane.

Duncan Trussell 13:14 All the games start at the same time.

Joe Rogan 13:15 Oh, my God. That is so insane.

Duncan Trussell 13:19 Um...

13:20 What?

13:20 Is there a video?

13:22 80% win rate?

Joe Rogan 13:23 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 13:25 It goes...

Joe Rogan 13:25 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 13:25 80... Can you imagine getting beaten that... At chess?

Joe Rogan 13:28 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 13:28 (laughs) I feel so bad.

Joe Rogan 13:30 Ugh.

Duncan Trussell 13:30 He says he developed a technique of a memory palace...

Joe Rogan 13:34 Oh, my God. That is used by memory competitors, usually to remember things like numbers or the order of playing cards. He said, "Each game is like a room in a palace."

Duncan Trussell 13:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:45 "It's all there," he explained to Chess.com. "I walk into my kitchen and see that stack of bananas. The abstract images are an analogue for specific moves, so presumably he now knows a lot of different fruits." Wow.

Duncan Trussell 14:01 That is so insane. That memory palace shit is really interesting, 'cause you're like-

Joe Rogan 14:06 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 14:06 You're connecting your memory to, to visual-

14:09 You can do this to go back over the moves.

Joe Rogan 14:09 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 14:10 So I can go back to the beginning, and you can go through each move.

Joe Rogan 14:13 I wond- I wonder if that... I mean, this is essentially a short-term memory

Joe Rogan 14:18 thing you're r- you're relying upon. I wonder if that... I wonder if that does anything for your long-term memory too? Like, I wonder if ch- like, c- they do say that chess is, like, one of the very best games for j- just, just your cognitive function.

Duncan Trussell 14:34 It makes sense.

Joe Rogan 14:35 It makes sense. It's-

Duncan Trussell 14:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:36 ... super complex.

Duncan Trussell 14:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:37 I mean, think of... It's, it's basically like running with your brain.

Duncan Trussell 14:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:41 Right? And-

Duncan Trussell 14:42 Did you ever get into it?

Joe Rogan 14:43 No. I got scared.

Duncan Trussell 14:45 It's, it's, it's pretty... I, I, I only got into it 'cause I had a cool video game where the chess pieces could fight.

Joe Rogan 14:51 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 14:51 And so that made me, like, get interested in, like, the most surface level. I mean, I was horrible at, you know, the opening moves.

Joe Rogan 14:59 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 15:00 And how each opening move, there's... Statistically, I think, the right opening, uh, second move to do against the opening move, and then you, you... All these combos and shit that you have to memorize.

Joe Rogan 15:11 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 15:11 It's so c- And then y- you have to think so many moves ahead, uh, so the... Based on all the possible things they might do.

Joe Rogan 15:19 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 15:19 Producing all these parallel chess timelines, and you're trying to pick the one that's, like, the one you win in.

Joe Rogan 15:25 Chess falls into that whole golf thing with me. I'm sure I'd love it.

Duncan Trussell 15:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 15:30 But I don't wanna do that. I don't, I don't have any time for anything new like that. I already have a problem with pool. Uh, you know, like, I, I, I fucking wanna play it all the time.

Duncan Trussell 15:40 Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a lot easier to... For me, to, like, level up in Diablo IV-

Joe Rogan 15:47 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 15:48 ... than go to the gym.

Joe Rogan 15:50 Right, right.

Duncan Trussell 15:50 Like, infinitely easier.

Joe Rogan 15:52 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 15:53 And my brain does not produce the same level of pleasure leaving the gym. But, what is it, like, f- 30% of that? And I think sometimes if you are particularly weak, you'll just settle for that. You're like-

Joe Rogan 16:08 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 16:08 ... "You know what? That's fine. I'll enjoy that." And then it just goes on and on. You know, you need to have undisciplined people on your show sometimes, because I'm always struggling with it. You know what I mean?

Joe Rogan 16:19 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 16:19 And you're, like, disciplined. You... But I'm, I am... Like, it's an aspiration, and so I'll get going to the gym, I'll start working out. I'll feel better than I've ever felt in my life. You know what got me to the gym, by the way?

Joe Rogan 16:31 What?

Duncan Trussell 16:31 I started going... The last podcast-

Joe Rogan 16:34 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 16:34 ... you described how you feel not working out, and I'm like, "That's the last two years of my life." Like, he's-

Joe Rogan 16:43 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 16:45 (laughs) And then, you know, so I'm like, "Fuck, I gotta do this." And like, you know, walking out, it's simultaneously wonderful and kinda sad. 'Cause you walk out and you're like, "I feel so good." Like-

Joe Rogan 16:57 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 16:57 ... th- this is all I... I just had to do this.

Joe Rogan 16:59 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 17:00 It's... Wasn't painful. It's fun.

Joe Rogan 17:02 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 17:03 And now I feel great. And you're like, "Fuck, man. Two years." Two years, I went off of it. That's scary when you're... You know what I mean? When you're, when you're oscillating between-

Joe Rogan 17:15 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 17:15 ... those two modes, you know, and, and you don't wanna get stuck in the devil's mode. But you, you know it's a possibility. You know, you somehow have glued yourself to the... This one. Like, you, you don't seem to really, like, fall off, you know? Did you at

Duncan Trussell 17:33 first?

Joe Rogan 17:33 No. It's, uh, necessary for me, and it's necessary for me for mental health, and also I'm not e- Uh, I don't want my body to fail. Like, it... I don't... I've seen people my age-

Duncan Trussell 17:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:47 ... that don't exercise, and their shoulders don't work and their knees-

Duncan Trussell 17:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 17:51 ... are fucked, and they're always tired, and-

Duncan Trussell 17:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:54 Like, that's not a good way to go through life. If you wanna enjoy life, you wanna have as much energy as possible, and the best way to have as much energy as possible is to be really fit.... be really fit and healthy and eat good foods and take a lot of vitamins, take supplements, take... you know, eat healthy food, try to stay the fuck away from processed garbage. Don't drink too much.

Duncan Trussell 18:14 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:15 Don't, don't do anything bad for your health. Because your, your, your energy depends upon this physical form.

Duncan Trussell 18:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:23 And it's literally made out of what you put in it.

Duncan Trussell 18:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:26 It's literally made out of that, both with effort and with food.

Duncan Trussell 18:30 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:31 And with sleep.

Duncan Trussell 18:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:32 The, the effort that you take to sleep.

Duncan Trussell 18:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 18:34 And then also the effort you take to have a stress-free environment, you know? The, the, the effort that you take to put out as, as little bullshit as you can, and to, like, be nice to people as often...

Duncan Trussell 18:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:49 ... as you can. And just sort of a... keep harmonious, fun people around you-

Duncan Trussell 18:54 Yes.

Joe Rogan 18:54 ... you, you feel better.

Duncan Trussell 18:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:56 You know? Like when... if I'm going through something, like some friends of mines are squabbling and I have to, like, s- get in between them and have conversations, I fucking hate it.

Duncan Trussell 19:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:08 I hate it.

Duncan Trussell 19:09 The worst.

Joe Rogan 19:10 I hate when people's feelings are hurt, I hate when people are mad at other people. I fucking hate it. And I think a lot of times, it can be avoided. But if you could... uh, if you're not avoiding it and you're just jumping in it all the time-

Duncan Trussell 19:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:24 ... your stress levels are so high, your comfort levels are so low. You're always gonna be feeling like shit. And there's people that get caught up in a cycle of that. They're always calling people out, and getting-

Duncan Trussell 19:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:36 ... called out, and, and insult, and trying to find the, the deepest burn.

Duncan Trussell 19:40 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 19:40 Woo. And keep that shit outta your life too. Keep that shit outta your life. But, you know, don't, don't

Joe Rogan 19:48 not call things out when something's atrocious.

Duncan Trussell 19:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 19:51 But just the less bullshit you have in your life, whether it's bullshit that you have to deal with 'cause you didn't exercise or your body's breaking down, it's like car maintenance. Like, if you just don't ever change your oil-

Duncan Trussell 20:07 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:07 ... you could go a long time. I dated, I dated this girl once when I was 22, and she told me she had never changed the oil in her car.

Duncan Trussell 20:16 What?

Joe Rogan 20:17 I go, "How long have you had this car?" (laughs) She started the car, it was like b- literal black smoke was coming outta the back.

Duncan Trussell 20:24 Holy shit.

Joe Rogan 20:25 She had a Firebird. And I was like, "You've never changed your oil?" She'd never changed her oil, but her car was still driving. That's a lot of humans' bodies. It's the same thing. It's just... it's-

Duncan Trussell 20:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 20:35 ... very similar. You're not doing the maintenance.

Duncan Trussell 20:37 Right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:39 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 20:39 Man, it is, uh... it's interest-... like you just described, like two parallel universes that exist side by side, like...

Joe Rogan 20:49 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 20:49 And if I had to bet, there are more people in the, in the discordant... Is that what you'd say? In the, in the inharmonious reality-

Joe Rogan 21:01 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 21:02 ... than the harmonious one. Like I think that, that probably... I mean, I... it's cynical to say, but probably what? Like 70% of people to some degree are stuck in the gravity well of whatever those things you... it's a gravity well.

Joe Rogan 21:18 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 21:19 That's, that... because that's the thing, man. You know, climbing out of that fucking hole is the hardest part, but that hole has its own gravity. And the gravity is around addiction to just the stuff you're describing. You're addicted to drama, you're addicted to eating shitty food, you're addicted to, like, staying up late and doomscrolling, or whatever it's...

Joe Rogan 21:40 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 21:40 It's, it's a gravity. And so then you gotta crawl out of it to get into that other place.

Joe Rogan 21:46 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 21:46 And you get in that other place, and generally the first thing you think is, "God, this is incredible." But then the more you stay in that place, you kind of forget how bad it felt in the other place.

Joe Rogan 21:57 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 21:58 And that's where the pattern can, like... you get sucked back into the gravity well. You don't-

Joe Rogan 22:02 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 22:03 ... like, stay steady in the discipline.

Joe Rogan 22:06 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 22:06 I think that's a lot of

Duncan Trussell 22:08 people. Like that is a... an-

Joe Rogan 22:09 It's more people than not, because our natural human instincts are to, you know, ah, ah. It's like to squabble.

Duncan Trussell 22:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:16 It's like there's natural squabble-

Duncan Trussell 22:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:18 ... that's built into people. But it's a pattern of d- behavior. It's a pattern of thinking. You can recognize that it's a dangerous pattern, or a shitty pattern, or, or an unproductive pattern, an overall negative pattern-

Duncan Trussell 22:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:31 ... and just sort of, "Uh." Just get it out of there.

Duncan Trussell 22:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:34 Just don't... y- you can do that. I've done it. You can do it. People can do it. You gotta, you gotta learn what it is.

Duncan Trussell 22:40 You gotta admit your own aggression.

Joe Rogan 22:43 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 22:44 Because if you don't, then you trick yourself as you engage in some conversation-

Joe Rogan 22:50 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 22:51 ... into thinking that there is an aggression behind it. And, you know, you... I don't know if you can get rid of all aggression and confrontation. Like I don't know if it's possible to fully drop it. I imagine... but, you know, uh, listening to other people too, like I try... I have to do that. And people are like, "You, you, you were being short," you know, or, "You were..." whatever.

Joe Rogan 23:12 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 23:12 It's like, you gotta listen, think-

Joe Rogan 23:14 Right.

Duncan Trussell 23:14 ... it's po-... even though I don't think I was.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Right.

Duncan Trussell 23:16 Your... our vol-... your volume

Duncan Trussell 23:18 might be different or something.

Joe Rogan 23:19 We were having a conversation about this last night in the green room too. It's like the way we talk to each other as comics, like, you know... (laughs) everyone had a story of how they talked to their wife or their spouse like a comic once. You know, like, "What the fuck did you think was gonna happen?" You know, where, like, the way you would say something to me, like if I did something really stupid, you're like, "What the fuck did you think was gonna happen?" (laughs) And I would start laughing.

Duncan Trussell 23:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:44 But you can't make those kind of jokes sometimes with regular people. Like, regular people, we wi- we are insult... like you could say, like, the most heinous joke to Tony Hinchcliffe, and he would fall on the ground laughing, holding his thighs.

Duncan Trussell 23:59 Yes.

Joe Rogan 24:00 You could say terrible things about him and connecting him to Joffrey from Game of Thrones, and he'll, he'll be on the ground laughing.... right? But if you do that to just a regular guy that you work with, it's very likely he's gonna be severely upset, and-

Duncan Trussell 24:14 Oh, yes.

Joe Rogan 24:14 ... very butthurt. And we are so used to talking to each other like that.

Duncan Trussell 24:19 Dude, I've made, like, permanent, I don't wanna say enemies-

Joe Rogan 24:23 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 24:25 ... but I know there's people who, like, won't talk, won't talk to me now 'cause I forgot that. And just, you know, start... uh, just out of a habit.

Joe Rogan 24:33 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 24:34 Just, you interact with them, uh, and you can't, you can't do that.

Joe Rogan 24:39 No, you can't.

Duncan Trussell 24:39 I just put te- I just put, uh, tear... eye drops in my eyes so my eye, face was wet as though from tears, walked out in the living room and told our midwife that Obama had died. Like, and thank God, she has a s- she laughed, a sense of humor, but then suddenly I realized, like, "What the fuck am I doing?" My wife is looking at me like, "What are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 25:02 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 25:03 It's the midwife. You're coming out here with fake tears saying Obama died. Obama died? That's fucked up. Everyone, like, went... (gasps) "What?" 'Cause, you know, it's, would be so upsetting, but, like, and then I realized, like, "What am I doing?"

Joe Rogan 25:18 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 25:21 What am I doing?

Joe Rogan 25:22 You're doing what you would do in the green room. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 25:24 In the green room, in my living room.

Joe Rogan 25:26 You're always doing that.

Duncan Trussell 25:28 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:28 When, when you say something to me, there's always, like, this, "What's... uh."

Duncan Trussell 25:32 I know.

Joe Rogan 25:32 You should do it. You should definitely meet them.

Duncan Trussell 25:36 Um-

Joe Rogan 25:36 Remember that last night?

Duncan Trussell 25:38 Me too, me too.

Joe Rogan 25:39 You were s- you were trying to convince me s... I'm s... I can't even say it because I would have to admit-

Duncan Trussell 25:43 Oh.

Joe Rogan 25:43 ... what we were talking about.

Duncan Trussell 25:43 Oh, yeah, right. Uh, you know what? Yes. Exactly. That is the... with comedians-

Joe Rogan 25:48 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 25:48 ... we will shift from reality-

Joe Rogan 25:50 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 25:50 ... to just l- like, making up a story-

Joe Rogan 25:53 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 25:53 ... that w- with each other instantly. It's a, it's such a fascinating mode of communication, and it's definitely not normal.

Joe Rogan 25:59 My favorite is when someone does it, but with, like, subtle propaganda, like, real on the edge. Like, "Is he fucking..."

Duncan Trussell 26:07 I'm sorry.

Joe Rogan 26:08 Is it? No worries.

Duncan Trussell 26:09 It's... Wait, hold on. Goddammit. Sorry about that, man.

Joe Rogan 26:13 Dude, it's a normal thing.

Duncan Trussell 26:14 Let's see what's going on here.

Joe Rogan 26:16 Happens all the time.

Duncan Trussell 26:17 Let me just check, you know-

Joe Rogan 26:18 Yeah. You're, you're about to-

Duncan Trussell 26:19 I'm pregnant.

Joe Rogan 26:19 ... have a baby.

Duncan Trussell 26:20 I'm pregnant why?

Joe Rogan 26:21 While we're doing this.

Duncan Trussell 26:22 Okay, great. Now-

Joe Rogan 26:22 Duncan is about to have one more human.

Duncan Trussell 26:24 That's right, and I'm very excited about it. Uh, but I, I'm so sorry that, that my phone went off. You, normally-

Joe Rogan 26:29 No worries.

Duncan Trussell 26:29 ... I would ignore it.

Joe Rogan 26:30 No, no, I know.

Duncan Trussell 26:31 Um-

Joe Rogan 26:31 I get it.

Duncan Trussell 26:33 Please continue. Do you remember what you were saying?

Joe Rogan 26:34 Nope.

Duncan Trussell 26:35 Yeah!

Joe Rogan 26:37 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 26:38 I love it, dude. The, the, uh, you, th- to me, like, this, once you start applying this to everybody and you realize, like, a lot of times, we're, like, using a mode of communication based on our experience with our particular job or business or whatever-

Joe Rogan 26:57 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 26:57 ... and trying to get other people-

Joe Rogan 26:58 Right.

Duncan Trussell 26:59 ... or, or even your, the way you were raised.

Joe Rogan 27:01 Right.

Duncan Trussell 27:01 This is, you learn this mode of communication potentially from lunatics. Like, you can't choose where you're born. You-

Joe Rogan 27:07 That's very true.

Duncan Trussell 27:08 And then those people enter into conversations, uh, thinking that everyone else understands their, what it's like to come out of that kinda universe, man. And then you're like, "You're an asshole." "No, you're an asshole."

Joe Rogan 27:21 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 27:21 And it's like, no, neither of you are assholes. You're just-

Joe Rogan 27:23 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 27:24 ... applying... you're trying to get people into your reality tunnel instead of at least, like, finding the middle point between yours and theirs.

Joe Rogan 27:31 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 27:31 It's the worst.

Joe Rogan 27:32 Especially

Joe Rogan 27:33 wh- like, it's one thing if you're having some argument with some stranger, but especially when it's, like, a good friend.

Duncan Trussell 27:40 Joe, I remember what you were saying.

Joe Rogan 27:41 What was I saying?

Duncan Trussell 27:42 You were saying when people have an agenda, like when you're in a conversation with somebody like that and you f- s- detect some kind of slight agenda in there somewhere.

Joe Rogan 27:50 Oh, I was saying, you, the, the, some of your best fake arguments about things, you get real subtle with it, where I'm like, "What is... what... is he serious? Like, is it-"

Duncan Trussell 28:02 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:02 And then you'll slowly-

Duncan Trussell 28:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:06 ... slowly enter-

Duncan Trussell 28:07 I got you.

Joe Rogan 28:07 ... into the preposterous. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 28:09 I got you. I got you. Yeah. That, the... oh, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about.

Joe Rogan 28:12 So, if you were doing that-

Duncan Trussell 28:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:13 ... with, like, normal people, it would take a long time for them to figure out what the fuck you're doing.

Duncan Trussell 28:17 And then when they do, they're like, "Why?"

Joe Rogan 28:19 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 28:20 "Why did you do that?"

Joe Rogan 28:21 I know. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 28:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:23 Then they could never... see, and then they would never trust you again.

Duncan Trussell 28:26 Yeah, it's a sociopath.

Joe Rogan 28:27 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 28:28 "What, what? He just told me his, his, his sister was eaten by a bear last week. What..."

Joe Rogan 28:33 Do you know what I'm realizing? That there's a wh- there's another, uh, layer of comedy. There's another layer of comedy. It's green room comedy.

Duncan Trussell 28:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 28:41 Green room comedy is some of my favorite comedy.

Duncan Trussell 28:44 The best.

Joe Rogan 28:45 Some of my favorite comedy. We were crying last night.

Duncan Trussell 28:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:48 We were crying.

Duncan Trussell 28:50 Yeah, every night. And it's cool 'cause it's got this rhythm to it.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 28:53 Like, sometimes it gets quiet.

Joe Rogan 28:55 Yes. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 28:58 And then... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:58 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 28:58 And then it, and then it'll start up again.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 29:00 It's so cool, man. I, yeah, it's a really interesting thing.

Joe Rogan 29:04 Is that two shows, two shows a night is goddamn magic 'cause you get so loose.

Duncan Trussell 29:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:10 You get so loose and so silly.

Duncan Trussell 29:12 Yeah, man. I, and yeah. The, like, the times I've stayed, I have to l- I leave 'cause...

Joe Rogan 29:17 You're about to have a baby.

Duncan Trussell 29:18 I'm about to have a baby, but the, uh, the times I've stayed, especially super late-

Joe Rogan 29:23 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 29:23 ... it's really fun. And so, I think the other thing that's cool about it, man, is, uh, I feel like everyone is acknowledging how special it is. Like-

Joe Rogan 29:32 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 29:32 ... nobody's taking it for granted. Everybody's like, "Are you kidding?" Like-

Joe Rogan 29:35 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 29:36 ... "We're, we're do... this is a possibility?"

Joe Rogan 29:38 Right.

Duncan Trussell 29:38 "This is happening?"

Joe Rogan 29:38 Yeah. Isn't it crazy that it was an idea and now it's a real thing?

Duncan Trussell 29:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:42 It was an idea, and now it's a real thing. That's the... I w- I had the, the wildest idea, uh, about ideas once, that what if ideas are a life form, and the way they manifest in reality is they, they get into a person's brain and then influence that person to take action to create them? The same way, like, a parasite will get into, uh, a grasshopper's brain-

Duncan Trussell 30:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:10 ... like, a water pe- like, those aquatic worms, and they convince the grasshopper to commit suicide-

Duncan Trussell 30:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:15 ... so that they could be born. Like, w- weird shit happens with parasites. What if ideas are a life form...... is everything that exists that human beings have created. Just think about the fucking immense amount of objects that we've created. All of them came from ideas.

Duncan Trussell 30:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:33 All of them.

Duncan Trussell 30:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:34 And the, we think of, "This is my idea. I had this idea." But we both know that ideas are very strange. They, they come to you in the weirdest of ways. It's the reason why people believe in the muse. It's the reason why, uh, Pressfield's book, The War of Art, is so good.

Duncan Trussell 30:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:52 Because when he documents this sort of journey that he goes on every day when he writes, where he summons the muse.

Duncan Trussell 31:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:01 He does it like... And he is, if, in m- his mind, "No, it's a real thing," and then starts to write, and, and, and treats it like a ritual.

Duncan Trussell 31:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:11 Like you're gonna be there all the time. What, what is happening there? Like what, uh, what are you summoning when you get these ideas? Whether it's summoning something that's a, a creative work, like literature, or whether it's the invention that changes society forever.

Duncan Trussell 31:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 31:25 Like all of them came from ideas.

Duncan Trussell 31:27 Yeah, and a lot of them, like a lot of, like, uh, the great ideas, like, uh, Tesla, he just openly admits it came to him in a vision.

Joe Rogan 31:36 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 31:36 He saw it. Like he doesn't even ascribe it to his own mind. It was like a, uh, a vision.

Joe Rogan 31:41 Don't you feel that way about some of your best jokes?

Duncan Trussell 31:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:44 That they just pop into your head?

Duncan Trussell 31:46 Yeah, but you know what's, you know what's weird about Tesla, and, uh, uh, j- d- j- I'm sorry, you guys, if I'm wrong about this, but I, I, I, I read it and was blown away, and I think it was on his Wikipedia, but I could be wrong. Apparently, he was thinking about Faust when he had the vision. Now, I hope I'm not wrong about that, you guys.

Joe Rogan 32:05 Really?

Duncan Trussell 32:05 Jaime ki-... Jaime, would you mind? I'm sorry, dude. I, I could be wrong, and I, I'm sorry, y'all, if I am. But the... Yeah, so Faust is about, you know, an, an alchemist makes the... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:18 How poetry inspired Tesla to design one of his most important inventions. Do-do-do. Let's, uh...

Narrator 32:27 It's, uh, somewhere...

Joe Rogan 32:28 There it is.

Duncan Trussell 32:28 Faust.

Joe Rogan 32:29 Yeah. (clears throat) One of the lesser facts, uh, known, one of the lesser-known facts about Tesla is that he was also a great fan of poetry. Uh, uh, it was an expert of-

Duncan Trussell 32:39 Goethe's-

Joe Rogan 32:39 ... Gert-

Duncan Trussell 32:39 I think Goethe.

Joe Rogan 32:40 Gerta? Goethe's, Goethe Faust.

Duncan Trussell 32:42 Goethe's Faust.

Joe Rogan 32:42 Goethe's Faust that inspired him to finalize his invention of the alternating current motor. The term world-changing invention certainly applies to this innovation. Uh...

Duncan Trussell 32:53 So what inspired that was a, a poem, I, well, I thought it was a play, a poem about an alchemist selling his soul to the devil. So all of modern technology originated from the inspiration that he derived from a poem about a satanic (laughs) bargain.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Whoa.

Duncan Trussell 33:12 (laughs) Isn't that wild? When-

Joe Rogan 33:14 The Faustian bargain.

Duncan Trussell 33:16 The Faustian bargain-

Joe Rogan 33:17 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 33:17 ... was the, w- according to the person who invented it, was the inspiration-

Joe Rogan 33:22 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 33:22 ... for technology that we are still, like, h- using today, like, that's-

Joe Rogan 33:27 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 33:28 So that, so then you th- then you go back and you think, "Well, what, what inspired Goethe?" You know, and then you realize it's like this crazy wave of, like it ripples through time. Like you, somebody gets a great inspir- uh, gets inspired, writes it down, it's beautiful. I don't know how long passed between when he wrote that and Tesla had his vision. But certainly, obviously, Goethe probably had no idea that when he spent the time writing that thing and trusted to write it down, he was gonna warp the entire planet. His poem was gonna ripple out and warp the entire planet just from a poem. That's wild, man.

Joe Rogan 34:10 Phew.

Duncan Trussell 34:11 Isn't that crazy? Isn't that nuts? Especially, and it's so meta.

Narrator 34:14 You weren't wrong. It is a play, but it's written in verse.

Joe Rogan 34:18 Ah.

Narrator 34:18 So it is a poetry also.

Duncan Trussell 34:19 Gotcha.

Joe Rogan 34:20 Wow. 1808.

Duncan Trussell 34:24 1808, someone writes a cool poem about selling your soul to the devil. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:30 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 34:30 Cut to now, there's self-driving cars. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:35 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 34:35 Holy fucking shit. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 34:37 Oh, my God.

Duncan Trussell 34:40 S-

Joe Rogan 34:40 Ideas are strange. I mean, d- e- even back to the club, the idea of the club. You know? When you-

Duncan Trussell 34:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:47 ... when we were all talking about doing it, th- th- these ideas were just like, "Yeah, and then we could do this, and then we could do that. Yeah. Should we have this? Should we have that? Yeah." And we, we spent a fucking year and a half of b- doing this. It was, uh, a long process before it actually-

Duncan Trussell 35:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:04 ... got built.

Duncan Trussell 35:04 Well, that's the problem with ideas.

Joe Rogan 35:07 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 35:07 Is it's like they mimic, and I'm not just saying this 'cause my wife's pregnant. They mimic childbirth in the sense that there's, uh, some kind of gestation period. That's, the, there's the in- you're inseminated with your inspiration.

Joe Rogan 35:18 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 35:19 Then you gotta start growing it, and then the, the phases of growing it are, can be like, uh, really torturous and long and like, it, uh, uh, somewhere in there you're like, "This sucks." Like, "This is really the dumbest thing of all time." And then you keep working on it, and maybe you realize that's true. Or you f- you find the, you fix it. It's like a puzzle.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Hmm. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 35:40 And, but that, uh, you know, that is why so many people, I think, are like letting inspiration come all over their face, but not letting it inside. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:53 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 35:53 (laughs)

Narrator 35:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:53 Well, it's, it's, uh, uh, I always tell people that the way I try to think about things is bandwidth. I try to think about... I pretend, uh, there's a number. Let's say that number is 100. I have 100 band- one 100 units that I have for my information, for what I'm allowed to think about, that-

Duncan Trussell 36:13 That's cool.

Joe Rogan 36:13 ... what I can use my brain for. Anytime-

Duncan Trussell 36:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:17 ... I put stuff in there that's nonsense, anytime I put stuff in there that's, uh, that's negative or unproductive or-... at least, uh, un- unless it's funny.

Duncan Trussell 36:28 Yeah, right.

Joe Rogan 36:28 Anytime I'm putting stuff in there, that's taking away from all my other stuff. And one thing that people need to understand is that one of the things your brain will do to protect yourself from, whether it's the pressure of success, or succeeding, or accomplishing things, your brain will, when you're presented with the stress of trying to accomplish something, it will put extra emphasis on all these stupid things in your life to distract you.

Duncan Trussell 36:58 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:59 And it, it almost, like, protects you from the stress of having to do the work. And you see people sabotage their lives, sabotage their careers. You see it happen to artists, musicians, fighters, comedians.

Duncan Trussell 37:13 Sure.

Joe Rogan 37:14 It's a normal thing that we do just as, as human beings. You, you get freaked out by what you know you should do, so you spend more time paying attention to the things that you shouldn't do.

Duncan Trussell 37:27 Yeah, man.

Joe Rogan 37:28 Self-sabotage.

Duncan Trussell 37:28 Self-sabotage. And, and-

Joe Rogan 37:30 It's very real.

Duncan Trussell 37:31 Very real. And, and based, at least my own assessment of it, it's based on the delusion that the feeling of pro- procrastination is less painful than the feeling of doing your work.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 37:47 And it couldn't... It's the opposite.

Joe Rogan 37:49 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 37:49 Like, procrastination, you spread it out across your life, like your weeks, you just spread this nice shitty coating of procrastination, mild anxiety, general, like, sense of like, "Oh, I'm a piece of shit," 'cause you're not doing it, and then when you finally get around to doing it, you realize the thing you didn't wanna do is so fun-

Joe Rogan 38:11 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 38:11 ... most of the time.

Joe Rogan 38:12 Most of the time.

Duncan Trussell 38:12 Engaging, interesting, but if nothing else, you feel so much better 'cause you're finally taking care of it.

Joe Rogan 38:18 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 38:19 And you realize, all that anxiety, all that... If you, if you somehow could quantify the amount of anxiety you're gonna feel procrastinating versus the amount of anxiety you're gonna feel doing something, you know what I mean? It's exponentially more anxiety from procrastinating.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Yes.

Duncan Trussell 38:36 So the, so the logic's all wrong. It's a fucked up way of dealing with the problem. As a master procrastinator, you know, I feel like I can talk about this-

Joe Rogan 38:43 Hm.

Duncan Trussell 38:43 ... 'cause like having identified, it's alwa- always feels better when you do it.

Joe Rogan 38:48 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 38:49 Always. Then you, you, your brain will, uh, orient, I think-

Joe Rogan 38:52 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 38:52 ... in a more healthy way. I hope mine does eventually.

Joe Rogan 38:55 No, it w- I think also, Duncan, you know, you're, you're so busy, and you're so busy with your family, and you're so busy with your podcast, you're so busy with your comedy tour. It's like-

Duncan Trussell 39:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:08 ... (sighs) it's very hard to allocate time to do stuff. And one of the ways I have it easy is I have a gym right here.

Duncan Trussell 39:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:15 I have a gym at home.

Duncan Trussell 39:16 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:16 I make it easy so that I do it.

Duncan Trussell 39:18 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:18 And I just, I have to do it. If I don't do it, I don't feel good, I don't think good, I don't act good.

Duncan Trussell 39:25 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:25 It's better for me. It's medicine. And so I take my medicine, and them I'm, "Hee," and then I'm happy Joe, "Hello."

Duncan Trussell 39:31 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:31 "I'm everybody's friend. I wanna give everybody hugs."

Duncan Trussell 39:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:34 "I wanna be nice. I wanna see everybody succeed and grow, and I'm not in my own head."

Duncan Trussell 39:38 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:38 "I'm free."

Duncan Trussell 39:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 39:40 You know? So I have to be free. I, th- th- and for me, I feel like the human body, especially when you've put a lot of demand on that body over a long period of time like I have, it has requirements.

Duncan Trussell 39:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:51 It's like a dog, you know? When you have a dog, one of the things that I do with my dog is I exercise that dude. I throw the ball for him.

Duncan Trussell 39:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:59 I play with him. We jump in the water and swim together. Dogs need exercise.

Duncan Trussell 40:04 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:04 They need it. It's like if... Uh, and when he gets it, he's like chill and relaxed. And when he doesn't, he's like a little antsy, you know?

Duncan Trussell 40:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:12 You can tell, like, he's a little down.

Duncan Trussell 40:13 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:14 He wants to exercise. He's a-

Duncan Trussell 40:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:15 He's a dog. Wee.

Duncan Trussell 40:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:17 It's fun. He likes chasing that fucking ball. Let's go.

Duncan Trussell 40:20 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:20 He gets so excited. I always feel like I'm boring him. I'm like, "The ball again?" He's like, "Fuck yeah, the ball again!"

Duncan Trussell 40:26 I love it.

Joe Rogan 40:26 "Let's go."

Duncan Trussell 40:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:27 It's never not fun for him.

Duncan Trussell 40:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:29 You know? And so, that's his medicine. And, and he, when he gets his medicine, he's a happier dog.

Duncan Trussell 40:35 Right.

Joe Rogan 40:36 And that's my medicine.

Duncan Trussell 40:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:38 It's just a thing you have to do to maintain your body at the best form.

Duncan Trussell 40:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:41 And if you maintain your body at the best form, you have the most energy. You have the most energy for thinking. You have the most energy for activities. You have the most energy for anything physical that comes up. You know, I, I like being strong. I think it's important. I think if I could give... Uh, if it was an option in pill form, like, could you, uh, t- would... "Take this pill. There's no side effects other than your health will improve and you'll be much stronger." Would you take it?

Duncan Trussell 41:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:05 Everybody's gonna take it.

Duncan Trussell 41:07 Sure.

Joe Rogan 41:07 Everybody would take it.

Duncan Trussell 41:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:08 Of course. Well, that, that exists. It's just not a pill. You just have to exercise for long periods of time-

Duncan Trussell 41:14 You know-

Joe Rogan 41:14 ... and be very consistent.

Duncan Trussell 41:15 ... you made me picture in my head how fucked up it would be to come home, your dog is laying in bed playing video games-

Joe Rogan 41:25 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 41:25 ... with, like, some Kleenex on the floor next to it.

Joe Rogan 41:27 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 41:29 You would, you would take him to the vet. Like, immediately, you would take them to the vet.

Joe Rogan 41:33 No, I'd be like, "How long you been doing this, man?"

Duncan Trussell 41:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:35 "You can play video games? Can you talk?" That's what I'd say.

Duncan Trussell 41:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:39 Do you remember my bit?

Duncan Trussell 41:40 Yeah, you're-

Joe Rogan 41:40 Do you remember my bit about the talking dog?

Duncan Trussell 41:42 Yes.

Joe Rogan 41:43 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 41:44 (laughs) "You can talk. You can play video games? We're gonna be rich!" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 41:52 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 41:53 Oh, fuck, man.

Joe Rogan 41:54 I wish we wouldn't get high anymore.

Duncan Trussell 41:56 Oh, man. The-

Joe Rogan 41:58 Yeah. The, the, if your dog was playing video games, it'd be the coolest thing ever. You could go play video games with your dog. What if he's good?

Duncan Trussell 42:05 Society would collapse. Like, that would be the end of society. No one is fucking anymore. Like, they, they, they-

Joe Rogan 42:12 They'd just play video games?

Duncan Trussell 42:13 They would with their dogs.

Joe Rogan 42:14 Well-

Duncan Trussell 42:14 Just get a dog.

Joe Rogan 42:15 That's gonna be a real problem sometime soon anyway. There's, there's gonna be... They're gonna invent something that allows you to orgasm with your mind. There, there's gonna be some Neuralink type deal where once they tap into functions-

Duncan Trussell 42:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:29 ... of the mind and start expanding the, um, the, the abilities of these, uh, Neuralink type-

Duncan Trussell 42:36 It's gonna be nuts.

Joe Rogan 42:37 It's gonna be nuts. And they're gonna, they're gonna figure out a way to reproduce more effectively with less errors without biological sex.

Duncan Trussell 42:45 Sure.

Joe Rogan 42:45 And, uh, since gender is just a construct anyway, everyone's just gonna slowly eat plastic until your dick shrinks.

Duncan Trussell 42:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:52 ... and we're all gonna become aliens.

Duncan Trussell 42:53 I, well, you know, man, before we become aliens, which I- I honestly-

Joe Rogan 43:00 It's coming.

Duncan Trussell 43:00 ... I- I buy into that idea, but-

Joe Rogan 43:02 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 43:02 ... before we become aliens, all the weird shit in between us becoming aliens, that's the part that, like what... The Neuralink stuff or-

Joe Rogan 43:09 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 43:09 ... the inevitable whatever the brain interface shows up as, the inevitable day that someone hacks into whatever the server is that's dishing out feelings, or whatever it is that people attach, there will be like an orgasm wave. Because someone's gonna hack it.

Joe Rogan 43:30 Mm.

Duncan Trussell 43:30 Someone's gonna simultaneously give, like, an incredibly powerful orgasm to everyone on the planet, and you'll just w- watch it r- around you as people, like, come super hard 'cause everyone's Neuralink got hacked.

Joe Rogan 43:43 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 43:43 Like d- if... That's gonna happen. Or whatever, whatever. I mean that's-

Joe Rogan 43:46 Or something more sinister.

Duncan Trussell 43:47 Some- something more, yeah-

Joe Rogan 43:48 I don't think if I was an evil dictator I'd make everybody come.

Duncan Trussell 43:51 Yeah, but if you were a troll you would. If you were on 4Chan you would.

Joe Rogan 43:55 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 43:55 If 4Chan

Narrator 43:56 ... percent-

Duncan Trussell 43:56 ... became how to do it-

Narrator 43:56 ... percent-

Duncan Trussell 43:56 ... that would definitely happen.

Joe Rogan 43:58 100%. 100%.

Duncan Trussell 44:00 (laughs) An orgasm wave.

Joe Rogan 44:01 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 44:01 You'd watch, like, the president. They'd time it with the president's speech-

Joe Rogan 44:04 Wah.

Duncan Trussell 44:04 ... and you'd see what Biden looks like when he comes.

Joe Rogan 44:07 Probably starts yelling.

Duncan Trussell 44:09 Oh!

Joe Rogan 44:09 Ah!

Duncan Trussell 44:10 Ah!

Joe Rogan 44:11 Bang! Bang!

Duncan Trussell 44:12 Ah!

Joe Rogan 44:13 Bang! (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 44:16 Dude, yeah. I mean, that's the... I love that part of society. It is interesting though how there is a subconscious to society. Like-

Joe Rogan 44:25 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 44:25 ... th- th- within society there's the self that people present, and then underneath it there's all the shit nobody sees. All the shit that people do behind closed doors, all the shit that isn't that person they put out front.

Joe Rogan 44:40 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 44:40 And, you know, the bigger the tension between those two things is, the- the worse your life is gonna be. But the... Yeah, man, it's just weird to think about that. Like, no matter what, no matter how professional a person presents his, no matter how, like, they've got it together, they seem to have it together, you don't know.

Joe Rogan 44:58 Yeah, you never know.

Duncan Trussell 44:59 They could take spaghetti baths. They could go home-

Joe Rogan 45:01 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 45:01 ... and just cover themselves in spaghetti-

Joe Rogan 45:04 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 45:05 ... and- and- and cry.

Joe Rogan 45:06 A lot of crying.

Duncan Trussell 45:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:08 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 45:08 So that, to me, is interesting. Like, within society is a whole hidden realm. And specifically, as far as I'm aware, no one has seen a president come in the public. Like, it's more secret than aliens. Like, there's no video of a president coming? There isn't that I'm aware of. We will never know.

Joe Rogan 45:28 You don't think on Epstein's island there was vis- videos of presidents coming?

Duncan Trussell 45:35 Like, you would play them? Like... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:37 Over and over again. Well, do you... Why do you think Epstein had that giant painting of Bill Clinton in a dress in his foyer?

Duncan Trussell 45:45 Dude.

Joe Rogan 45:45 Do you know that picture?

Duncan Trussell 45:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:47 That painting?

Duncan Trussell 45:47 Epstein's taste in art was not great. Like, if you look at the shit-

Joe Rogan 45:52 Yo, that was great.

Duncan Trussell 45:53 That-

Joe Rogan 45:53 That- that painting is like, "I got you, bitch." That's what that is.

Duncan Trussell 45:58 Oh, right.

Joe Rogan 45:58 You got a president who was on the flight logs 26 times with Epstein, and you got that guy in a fucking dress in your house.

Duncan Trussell 46:08 Okay, I'm dumb. I'm sorry, dude. I'm officially dumb-

Joe Rogan 46:11 Why?

Duncan Trussell 46:11 ... 'cause I've known about that picture, and I've just been like, "Why would anybody want a fucking picture of Bill-"

Joe Rogan 46:16 That- that is, "I got you, bitch."

Duncan Trussell 46:18 That's just a like, "Hey, yeah, you're-"

Joe Rogan 46:19 That's, "I got you, bitch."

Duncan Trussell 46:22 That is terrifying.

Joe Rogan 46:23 That's terrifying. Imagine if I knew some horrible dark secrets about you, and you came over my house, and I have a giant painting of you right when you walk into the front door.

Duncan Trussell 46:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:35 Of you in a dress.

Duncan Trussell 46:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:37 And I'm like, "Hey, buddy."

Duncan Trussell 46:38 "Hi. Welcome."

Joe Rogan 46:39 Y-

Duncan Trussell 46:41 You're right.

Joe Rogan 46:41 You know how fucking terrifying that would be?

Duncan Trussell 46:43 That's terrifying.

Joe Rogan 46:44 You know he knows about it. I mean, you walk right in and bam, there's that painting.

Duncan Trussell 46:51 And now you kind of control a president.

Joe Rogan 46:54 Holy shit, dude.

Duncan Trussell 46:56 Holy shit. It's-

Joe Rogan 46:57 And well, th- that's-

Duncan Trussell 46:57 ... crazy.

Joe Rogan 46:57 ... off 100% what they were doing. 100% what they were doing.

Duncan Trussell 47:02 Dude, I just don't even wanna think about it. I don't wanna think about all the, like, entities we'll never even know about that ride presidents around like a fucking horse. They just gallop around on 'em, just riding 'em around. "We got another president. We did it! We lassoed another one! We got one!"

Joe Rogan 47:22 Ah.

Duncan Trussell 47:22 And- and they g- and that is so crazy to think about, like a president who is being extorted, the president of the United States being extorted.

Joe Rogan 47:31 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 47:31 And, like, what that would feel like to be the president and know that you are no longer actually the president.

Joe Rogan 47:38 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 47:39 That you are now the, like... You are just a puppet of some other fucking thing. Uh. Dude, I hope that's not... I- I- I- I would r- I think you're right, but God damn that's sinister. I w- I wish it was just bad taste, just shitty fucking art on your walls.

Joe Rogan 47:54 Uh-uh. No.

Duncan Trussell 47:56 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 47:57 No. You can't... The shitty art of your friend who you flew with 26 times?

Duncan Trussell 48:03 You're right, Joe. I just... I didn't put it all... I'm dumb. I didn't put it all together. You're right, man. No, that is clearly what that is.

Joe Rogan 48:09 Yeah, clearly.

Duncan Trussell 48:11 Uh.

Joe Rogan 48:12 It's wild, dude.

Duncan Trussell 48:13 It's wild.

Joe Rogan 48:14 I gotta pee.

Duncan Trussell 48:15 Me too!

Joe Rogan 48:16 All right. Let's pee. We'll come back. Ah.

Duncan Trussell 48:19 Ah.

Joe Rogan 48:19 Where were we?

Duncan Trussell 48:20 Man, we... You were creeping me out.

Joe Rogan 48:22 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 48:22 Because you were like... There was like... You have a talent for creeping me out, man. Like, uh, like when you describe bear attacks.

Joe Rogan 48:28 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 48:29 Fucks me up for a while, or shark attacks. But yeah, we were talking about, uh... We were talking about the Epstein Clinton painting and how, you know, sort of like the implication of anything like that or the reminder of anything like that is... Because the- the- the... Our leaders are human, and humans are culpable and hackable, and it's easier to invade a country or take over a country by... Just control the leader, you control the country, so there's a clearly a pressure there. There's obviously people who would love to do that. And...... probably try, would try, and have probably succeeded a few times. Meaning, that our understanding of democracy as, like, the president represents the people, it's, like, totally wrong. That, in fact, it's, uh, s- potentially someone being controlled by people you'll never meet, or maybe never even knew existed. Ugh.

Joe Rogan 49:26 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 49:27 It's creepy. That

Duncan Trussell 49:28 can't be true.

Joe Rogan 49:29 Well, it's gotta be true, because if it wasn't... Well, they would never... If you had (laughs) an enormous organization that controls everything-

Duncan Trussell 49:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:40 ... you control everything in the country, would you really let a new person just run it every four years-

Duncan Trussell 49:47 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:47 ... in whatever way they like?

Duncan Trussell 49:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:50 Wouldn't you... If you're there forever, you're there forever, you're not there for four years.

Duncan Trussell 49:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:56 You're running the various agencies, and, like, wouldn't you make sure over time that you secured enough control that the president really is just sort of a figurehead?

Duncan Trussell 50:10 Joe, I am a doctor. And-

Joe Rogan 50:13 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 50:14 I, I'm sorry, but it seems like you're imply-

Joe Rogan 50:17 Is this some kind of misinformation?

Duncan Trussell 50:18 Not, y- yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:20 Mal-information?

Duncan Trussell 50:21 Mal-informations. Put the thing up. Say this was fact-checked and is wrong. 'Cause to me, it feels like, yeah, you're, like, implying that the presidents, the president of the United States' past-presidents were controlled by secret groups, or, I don't know, corporations or something. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:43 That sounds crazy.

Duncan Trussell 50:43 Well, it's preposterous. It's preposterous.

Joe Rogan 50:46 Yeah, I mean, we have a democracy. That, that's not even possible.

Duncan Trussell 50:48 Nobody, nobody o- on this planet would ever want to control the United States without having to invade it. Nobody would ever wanna do that, or try to do that, or su- succeed in doing that. Goddamn, man.

Joe Rogan 51:04 You definitely couldn't do it with money.

Duncan Trussell 51:06 No. Presidents don't like money.

Joe Rogan 51:09 No. They generally shy away from it.

Duncan Trussell 51:11 Most of them are dead broke even when they're in there in the White House. Like, you know? Like, they're, they're, like, dead fucking broke.

Joe Rogan 51:16 That's why Bill Clinton ate McDonald's.

Duncan Trussell 51:18 Every day. Every day. And people had to loan him money and shit, dude. He would get his car booted and couldn't afford (laughs) to get the boot off. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 51:29 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 51:29 Yeah. This is why all of our American politicians are, like-

Joe Rogan 51:33 They're paupers when they get out.

Duncan Trussell 51:34 ... middle income.

Joe Rogan 51:35 It's... Isn't it wild how much they actually make? It's an insane amount of money. When you look at how much money they get alf- after they get out of the White House-

Duncan Trussell 51:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:46 ... you're like, "Wh- wh- what are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 51:50 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 51:50 Like, wow.

Joe Rogan 51:51 How'd you make that much money? You, you just got back into business.

Duncan Trussell 51:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:55 You weren't in business at all. And-

Duncan Trussell 51:57 Jump back into that housekeeping business.

Joe Rogan 52:00 Now you're worth hundreds of millions of dollars. That's kind of crazy.

Duncan Trussell 52:02 F- you know, just some... You know, a- actually, my... I have a blind investor. I have a bl-... What do they call it where they don't know the investments being made? Like, "I just happen to have, like, a really good business, dude, who, like, invested the $10,000 I saved up before I became president, and it turned into millions."

Joe Rogan 52:17 The most transparent one is speaking fees.

Duncan Trussell 52:20 Yes.

Joe Rogan 52:21 'Cause it's... Speaking fees are a way that you can give people money. You can just give them money, and they, they perform a thing, they talk. And it can be the most uninspired, nonsensical, horseshit talk, it doesn't matter. They're gonna get a half a million dollars.

Duncan Trussell 52:35 That's right.

Joe Rogan 52:36 And then-

Duncan Trussell 52:37 That's right.

Joe Rogan 52:37 ... that's just a normal amount of money that you get. And then you go here, and you make it over there, and you go here, and you make it over-

Duncan Trussell 52:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:42 ... and you collect from everybody. So you have some sort of financial arrangement, but that financial arrangement is about speaking fees.

Duncan Trussell 52:52 See, this is what I'm talking about, man. This is the liminal or subliminal part of the human experience. What you're talking about right now is upsetting to people, uh, but also, a lot of people w- will say, "Don't even talk... You're not even supposed to say that." Like, and, and even though it's true, like, even though it's in plain sight, trackable, traceable, precedent for it in the past, not even that, like, astounding, you are supposed to, like, rest in this strange dream world where human beings experiencing some of the most power you can have in the world don't go a little f-... Or totally or completely insane, or don't get hijacked, or don't get... Like, we're supposed to pretend that doesn't happen.

Joe Rogan 53:44 Right.

Duncan Trussell 53:45 When you look at the president, look, like, does Biden seem like he'd be hard to trick?

Joe Rogan 53:57 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 53:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:59 Uh... Would you even have to trick him, though?

Duncan Trussell 54:03 Maybe.

Joe Rogan 54:03 I mean, I think... Oh, it's so hard to know what c- what goes on behind those closed doors when they're making decisions.

Duncan Trussell 54:12 Don't wanna know.

Joe Rogan 54:12 I mean, see they made... They sent an extra b-... How many billion dollars did they accidentally sent to Ukraine?

Narrator 54:18 6.2.

Joe Rogan 54:19 6.2 billion. It was an accident. They accidentally sent-

Duncan Trussell 54:22 They accidentally sent it?

Joe Rogan 54:23 Yeah, 6.2 more than they were supposed to.

Duncan Trussell 54:26 Wow.

Joe Rogan 54:26 But then they just sent some more.

Duncan Trussell 54:27 That must've been a rough phone call to ask for it back.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Accounting error provides an extra 6.2 billion for Ukraine military aid. Whoops, sorry.

Duncan Trussell 54:34 Hey. What's up? It's Duncan. Uh, look-

Joe Rogan 54:36 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 54:37 ... I kind... You know, I kinda fucked up. Uh, I was on a little bit of ketamine when I was doing that, uh, you, whatever, the transaction. So, uh, can you send back the $62 billion I-

Joe Rogan 54:47 6.2.

Duncan Trussell 54:48 ... $6.2 billion I actually sent to you? Can you just send it back? 'Cause you'd think if it's a clerical error, right-

Joe Rogan 54:56 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 54:56 ... then they're gonna be like, "Oh, shit, you know, I didn't notice the $6.2 billion (laughs) going into my account." That's how rich I am. I'll send back (laughs) ...... there's so much money. 'Cause like at some point, you know, it's just ... I don't even know what it is, just billions, lots of billions. Yeah, it's pretty weird.

Joe Rogan 55:14 The Pentagon said Tuesday that it overestimated the value of the weapons it sent to Ukraine by 6.2 billion over the past two years, about double early estimates, resulting in a surplus that will be used for future security packages. Oh, and don't worry about it. Just use it for future security packages.

Duncan Trussell 55:31 It's a security package.

Joe Rogan 55:32 Yeah, it's a surplus.

Duncan Trussell 55:33 What do we know, man?

Joe Rogan 55:34 Security packages.

Duncan Trussell 55:35 We don't know shit, and I'm-

Joe Rogan 55:37 That's just saying, we're gonna keep sending money-

Duncan Trussell 55:39 It's a security p-

Joe Rogan 55:39 ... forever and ever and ever.

Duncan Trussell 55:40 It's a security package.

55:41 It just goes back in the pot.

Joe Rogan 55:43 Uh, it'll just go back into the pot of money that we have, that we allo- have allocated ...

Duncan Trussell 55:47 That's a big fucking pot.

Joe Rogan 55:48 ... for the future Pentagon stock drawdowns." Look at that, "future Pentagon stock drawdowns." Ew. Uh, why does that sound like they're playing a game? You know what I'm saying? That's like ... sounds like a game.

Duncan Trussell 56:01 Carlin's got the ultimate bid on it, man. Like, the evolution of war language, you know? It used to be-

Joe Rogan 56:07 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 56:07 ... called shell-shocked, but then they changed it.

Joe Rogan 56:09 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 56:09 Like-

Joe Rogan 56:10 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 56:10 ... it's like-

Joe Rogan 56:10 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 56:10 ... the mili- the, the ... whatever that language is-

Joe Rogan 56:13 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 56:14 ... is inevitably confusing.

Joe Rogan 56:17 It's confusing and it's also ... It, it has this air of authority to it, like the judge wearing the robe.

Duncan Trussell 56:25 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:26 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 56:27 It's hypnotic.

Joe Rogan 56:28 Yeah. By, by, uh, talking about it that way, stock drawdowns, and, you know-

Duncan Trussell 56:33 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

56:33 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 56:33 ... Pentagon st- allocating money.

Duncan Trussell 56:34 I don't know if it's the same money, but, um, in May-

Joe Rogan 56:37 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 56:37 ... they, (laughs) they found three billion more back then, so I don't know if-

Joe Rogan 56:41 (sighs)

Duncan Trussell 56:41 ... if that's 10 or if it-

Joe Rogan 56:43 Whoops.

Duncan Trussell 56:43 ... they just doubled what they found.

56:44 Well, their keyboard's probably broken, or like-

Joe Rogan 56:46 It's a mistake.

Duncan Trussell 56:47 It's a mistake. Shit like this-

Joe Rogan 56:48 Guys, everybody makes mistakes. We're people, but we're all doing the right thing.

Duncan Trussell 56:51 Easy to fuck it up, man. It's like, we gotta take it easy on these people. And th- and again, like, m- uh, uh, you ... If you ... Even though it is, like, mainstream news-

Joe Rogan 57:01 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 57:01 ... that's what I like that's so brilliant about it, is that they're just like, "Yeah, you know, it's a pot. We had a pot."

Joe Rogan 57:07 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 57:07 "And it goes in the same pot-"

Joe Rogan 57:08 No big deal.

Duncan Trussell 57:09 "... as other stuff." And it goes out there. Everyone sees it. Everyone's busy, dude.

Joe Rogan 57:14 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 57:14 And-

Joe Rogan 57:14 Super busy.

Duncan Trussell 57:15 ... no one has time to really, like, start thinking about-

Joe Rogan 57:17 No.

Duncan Trussell 57:18 ... 3.2 billion dollars, uh, ov-

Joe Rogan 57:22 6.2

Duncan Trussell 57:23 ... 6.2 billion dollars that we've all put into that pot. Like, 'cause every single person living in America has put some dollars in that pot and some of those dollars ... You know, bridges are fucking collapsing. You know, it's ... It is, should be mildly frustrating to people, mildly frustrating to realize (laughs) 6.2 billion dollars of, like, fireman checks, teacher checks, nurse checks, the front line workers. That's th- th- that, that, that money is like ... Doesn't that matter enough to, for them to, like, be more careful about it? And also, when they fuck up like that, where's the apology? You just blew $6 billion of, of tax money and it was a mistake? Like, you're not keeping ... Like, imagine if your accountant made the same mistake. Just basic accountant. Would you keep that accountant as your accountant? And if you did, you're a fucking idiot. You gotta fire that accountant and get an accountant who doesn't, like, misplace th- so much money, right? So-

Joe Rogan 58:35 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 58:36 And especially if the accountant didn't apologize? Was just like, "Oh, right, well, you see," (laughs) "we have a different pot where some of your money ... It's a pot thing."

Joe Rogan 58:46 Allocated.

Duncan Trussell 58:46 "It's allocated. It's-"

Joe Rogan 58:47 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 58:47 "Allocated in the pots."

Joe Rogan 58:49 Stocked drawers.

Duncan Trussell 58:49 "Do you know how complex our pot system is? You should see it. I've got a thousand pots back there of varying sizes. They, they change according to astrological, uh, shifts. D- Don't even worry about it. It's just a pot. I, I kinda gotta go." I mean, come on. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 59:07 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 59:09 Come on! Like, it's so frustrating. It's so frustrating.

Joe Rogan 59:13 It's, it's very wild, dude.

Duncan Trussell 59:15 Very wild.

Joe Rogan 59:15 It's, and it's very wild that they just keep printing money, jacking up the inflation, printing money.

Duncan Trussell 59:22 I love that one because the, uh, mixed into the printing money thing, which, obviously have money printers. What's really funny about that is somehow people believe that that money is, like, doesn't go just right, hot off the press to, like, people in the building. Like, or that it doesn't, like, some of that money gets shifted around and, like, you know, or some of it is printed and-

Joe Rogan 59:45 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 59:45 ... I know, I'm sure there's, there's ... Like, no, there's securities in place. We have securities in place. It's numbered. We've got th- but come on.

Joe Rogan 59:52 Right.

Duncan Trussell 59:52 Some of th- ... If you have a money printer in America, are you fucking kidding me? If you're the main printer of money in America, like you're the one who, like, presses enter on the computer to-

Joe Rogan 1:00:03 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:03 ... print out $2 trillion (laughs) .

Joe Rogan 1:00:08 (laughs) .

Duncan Trussell 1:00:09 Wow! You're like ... That's like living next to the sun! You're just-

Joe Rogan 1:00:13 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:00:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:18 Man, to be that person? What does money even mean to you?

Duncan Trussell 1:00:21 Nothing! It's like-

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 It means ... It must be so weird that this-

Duncan Trussell 1:00:24 So weird.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 ... this, these pieces of paper are wh- everything that people are struggling for.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:28 And you know the smell of it?

Joe Rogan 1:00:30 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:30 You come to work, you come home, and you smell like money. You smell like the ink they use for money.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 Ooh.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:36 You, you have to pour ink into ... I mean, like, what do they-

Joe Rogan 1:00:39 Wow.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:39 What's the ink come from?

Joe Rogan 1:00:41 Where's the ink?

Duncan Trussell 1:00:42 And who puts it in? And what does, like, the ink that ... The pre-money ink look like?

Joe Rogan 1:00:48 Not only that, they have to do it in a very complex way so it can't be easily duplicated. I mean, just think about how silly it is that paper money ... Like, it's pap- it's kinda paper.

Duncan Trussell 1:00:58 Paper.

Joe Rogan 1:00:59 It, it ... that it ... You can't duplicate? Like, no one can duplicate that? Like, you have to make it so complex-

Duncan Trussell 1:01:05 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:05 ... that it can't be f- counterfeit.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:07 And change it up?

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Yeah. That they have, like, little things in them, inter- like, like you look at it a certain way with, like-

Duncan Trussell 1:01:13 Yeah.I've seen it.

Joe Rogan 1:01:15 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:15 I mean, it's gotten increasingly like...

Joe Rogan 1:01:17 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:17 You know you talk about the, uh... I love it. The race, the evolutionary race. Like, every time, like, a gazelle has to get a little bit faster. And then if it's getting faster, the predator has to increase its speed.

Joe Rogan 1:01:28 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:28 And so, there's this-

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:29 ... like, evolutionary pressure to, like, keep things going faster. Uh, same with counterfeit, right? It's gotta be. Like, so they're-

Joe Rogan 1:01:37 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:01:37 ... like, "Okay, we solved the problem. We put a, like, triple hologram, uh, underneath that is, would require 700 micro-sheets of paper to duplicate." Somebody's looking at that and being like, "How much money would it cost to duplicate that?" And they're like, "Oh, probably a million dollars." And they're like, "Great. We'll pay for it with the money we print." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:59 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:02:00 We'll take the loan, print the money, and pay for it. And then they're like, "Fuck, they figured out our duplication technique." And then... Or our, our hologram technique, and then they're like, "Fuck, we gotta put something else in there." And then it's just a never-ending, I imagine, like, race.

Joe Rogan 1:02:14 How long before we're a cashless society?

Duncan Trussell 1:02:17 (inhales deeply) Hopefully forever, dude. I hope, I hope forever. I hope we ne-... I, like... It is so scary to imagine the, like, losing the privacy. Losing it all completely 'cause every transaction is in the public-

Joe Rogan 1:02:32 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:32 ... eye or observable. That's really scary, man. I mean, it's like, I don't even do anything interesting with my money. Like, except, like, the tip on the road. Like, you know, I use my card and I know that's, the argument is, that's traceable. I, I realize that, but it's scary because it, there's an option.

Joe Rogan 1:02:50 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:50 If you wanna just, like, blow some cash on something, you can. It, i-... You could just, like... No one'll know it's d-... Whatever it is.

Joe Rogan 1:02:58 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:02:58 Not that I would ever use cash for anything other than legal purposes. It's just like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:02 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:03:02 ... the... You know-

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:03 ... what I mean? Like, the...

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Like, one day in the future, everything will be traceable.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:07 That's right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:08 And that's... You know, this is where I get... This is where being raised an Episcopalian and, and the Book of Revelations is gonna... As a Christian, you're gonna read it. This is where I get scared 'cause it's too similar to the mark of the beast. It's too similar to exactly what it says. You won't be able to trade, you won't be able to do anything unless you have the mark, unless you bear the mark. So-

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 What is that, that, that, in, that term? In the... How is that descri-... How is the mark of the beast described in the Bible? We, we should read it, 'cause I think you're onto something.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:41 We're now officially podcasting. This is fucking it. We're opening up the Book of Revelations.

Joe Rogan 1:03:46 The... Yeah. (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:03:48 (laughs) And we're in now.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Uh.

Duncan Trussell 1:03:51 Yeah. The mark of the beast. It's like, you can't do anything. You can't sell, you can't... If you don't take the mark, you're fucked. I mean, that's, that's that. Like, if you remove the ability to trade currency in a private way-

Joe Rogan 1:04:04 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:04:04 ... you now con-... You, you are now controlled, you are now monitored.

Joe Rogan 1:04:08 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:04:08 That's like, or...

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 "Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed. It performs great signs, even making fire come down from the heaven to earth in front of people. And by the signs that it allowed to work in the presence of the beast, it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast might even speak and might-"

Duncan Trussell 1:04:56 ChatGPT.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 "... cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain."

Duncan Trussell 1:05:02 Fuck.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 "It also causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark that is the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom. Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666." You know what's so wild-

Duncan Trussell 1:05:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:05:39 ... about that stuff, reading that, is it's v- really clear that they spoke differently.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:47 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 And also really clear that you're getting a translation from another language. Like-

Duncan Trussell 1:05:53 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:05:53 ... this is the best version of the English translation they sh- they could give us.

Duncan Trussell 1:05:58 It gets weirder when you get to the original. Like, when you get to the original... 'Cause, like, you know, one of the reasons that seems weird is 'cause tha- that's a, that's a code.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:06 Tha-... Like, i-it's not like it's meant... It's encoded. Like, there's some kind of, like, other thing in there.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 Um, Jamie just pulled this up. The classical gl- uh, Greek word, sharm- sharamog- shara-, um, sharagma?

Duncan Trussell 1:06:22 Sharagma?

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 Sharagma? Uh, translated as mark of the beast in Revelation 13:16, can also mean any mark engraved, imprinted or branded, stamped money, document, or coin. The mark of the beast is interpreted differently across the four main views of Christian...

Duncan Trussell 1:06:40 Eschatology.

Joe Rogan 1:06:41 Eschatology.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:42 Dude.

Joe Rogan 1:06:43 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:06:44 So that s-... That's a code, number one. Two, you know, just one way to connect to it, and it helps when you're on a psychedelic, is forget about the, whether or not any of it makes sense, but imagine, like, a mind produced that.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:01 So whoever wrote that, like-

Joe Rogan 1:07:04 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:04 ... what was their consciousness like? Dude, that's some heavy shit. Like, and, and it's so specific.

Joe Rogan 1:07:09 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:09 And when you get to the original, uh... At least... I've... Well, I haven't done it for the Book of Revelations, but the Book of John, i- it's... It becomes even more...... intent and more like, "Wait, what?" Like, "In the beginning was the Word, Logos, Logos." So in the, so you realize suddenly, like, within it is this psychedelic cosmology that in the beginning there was, like, truth. There was this truth-

Joe Rogan 1:07:34 Uh-huh.

Duncan Trussell 1:07:35 ... reality. And then that truth, like, manifested, extruded itself into time-space for a second to, uh, like, talk about, like, heaven or to talk about, like, the real reality, outside the simulator, whatever you wanna call it. And, and, and, and, uh... This is the best, and it gets translated in a lot of different ways. It was something like, "It was a light in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it." So it's like the truth appears in the darkness. The darkness is like, "I don't, we don't even know what this is. I can't see it. I don't, I don't understand it." And then, and then that was the, like, Jesus is a representation of that, the manifestation of that possibility of, like, pure truth appearing in a world of darkness.

Joe Rogan 1:08:22 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:22 And, whoa, dude, that's fucking cool! Regardless of historical truth or whatever, that's just a beautiful and deep, heavy way of talking about, um, parallel universes-

Joe Rogan 1:08:35 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:08:35 ... or the, or, or, or, or, or, or the possibility of, uh, things happening on a planet where people have gotten completely lost, where suddenly in the midst of that, something appears that isn't lost, that is, like, a pure representation of a higher consciousness or something. Sometimes it likes to talk. It's like when you, uh, it's like s- sending, like you're putting yourself in one of your Sims in SimCity. You just go down there, and you're like, "Okay, like, here's what's going on," (laughs) and then pop back out. (laughs) And then they kill him!

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:09:11 That's the best part! It's like the, the... And so the Book of John, I just looked this up 'cause I'm, I'm writing about it, but the Book of John i- is, Matthew, Mark, Luke, Synoptic Gospels. They, they have s- the same stories in them, mostly. John, not synoptic, and has all this weird shit in it. And not that any of the other stuff isn't weird, but particularly weird stuff in it. And so those three Gospels, they have within them something that I've always struggled with understanding the logic, which is to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus. Sacrifice the god, child, drink his blood, sins cleansed. Uh, whereas Book of John, it, uh, it has less of a, a focus on that and, and, or, or the redemption through the crucifixion and more saying the crucifixion itself was the ultimate. Because it was the, like, collision between light and darkness, where light, instead of getting aggro, fighting back, just, like, prayed for the people killing it and died. And like, dude, you're not gonna sleep at night if you're crucifying somebody who's praying for you, who's, like, looking at you and loves you, not in a fake, bullshit, spiritual way, but loves you and knows you and know- has known you forever and loves you and truly forgives you. (laughs) Oh, dude! That fucks the whole game up! It ruins darkness. It's the ultimate atom bomb in the face of power. Yeah, go ahead and kill me.

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 Wow.

Duncan Trussell 1:10:46 Dude, it's really cool. So, uh, uh, you know, regardless, that, the Book of Revelations and all of that stuff, I think it, it clearly emanates from e- an expanded consciousness, if nothing else. Like it-

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 Do you think there really was a Jesus?

Duncan Trussell 1:11:01 Well, I think, you know, I read that controversial book by Reza Aslan about Jesus. It's pretty good. It's called... Oh, geez, Jamie, I'm sorry. I don't know the name of it. I, it's, I'm so dumb, man. I can remember what books say, but I can't remember their titles. But yeah, he says apparently there are references to zealot. And it's controversial, and I know some people don't like it, but I enjoyed it. But it says, like, apparently there are references to a Jesus but never described as, um, Messiah, but as a magician who was going around healing people and stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:11:36 Oh, wow.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:37 So there is some reference to the, the being. But, you know, I, like, I, I get so bored with the attempt to find the historic Jesus, 'cause I think it really misses the point all together. Like, I, I, I think, like, you get so caught up in, like, trying to, like, find the Grail or whatever-

Joe Rogan 1:11:58 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:11:58 ... that you lose track of regardless of the truth of this being walking the Earth, does it change the substance of, like, the parables and their referencing of some realm, a transcendent realm, a, a, a possibility outside the suffering of the mundane world, outside of, like, sucking emperor dicks so you can get a little bit of power?

Joe Rogan 1:12:23 (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:12:23 The, actually there's something, uh, w- in any person's life, like, you can just, like, wake up and see it-

Joe Rogan 1:12:29 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:12:30 ... the Kingdom of Heaven, Gnosis. So to me, I don't care if just a, a lot of smart people who are trying to convey a, a, an ancient cosmology created, like, a character to embody that, 'cause I don't think that was... To me, that's not the point. I know for a lot of Christians it is, and I don't mean to offend y'all. It just, you know, I- I'm sure any Christian out there, if you're not, like, wrestling with the Bible anyway, you know, you should wrestle with it. You're s- it's meant to train you and get in your head and, like, grab you and-

Joe Rogan 1:13:02 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:02 ... confuse you, and then... It's an a- it's an amazing work. It really is, like, the New Testament, I mean. I mean, all of it, but-

Joe Rogan 1:13:08 Wasn't one of th- uh, one of the controversial, uh, aspects of when Martin Luther translated it, when they translated it into phonetic language so that people didn't have to know Latin to-

Duncan Trussell 1:13:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:21 ... to read the Bible?

Duncan Trussell 1:13:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:23 The, and he, one of the more controversial things is he was, like...... which I think he was expressing something very similar to that. That y- you're really supposed to, like, get out of it what you get out of it. It's open to your interpretation.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:36 Yeah. I think it would... It loses all its power if it requires an actual flesh being. And, and, and, and I get why people want that.

Joe Rogan 1:13:47 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:13:47 And I understand. I understand the argument. But, like, to me the... with it... written within it is, like, you know the communion, for example, right? Jesus never said, "Here's how we are gonna do communion." He did d-... like say something really quite beautiful about... which is, like, exactly the... like maybe the sweetest thing you can say to your friend if you're dying. Which is, "When you eat good food, remember me. And when you drink wine, I'm gonna be in that wine." Oh my God.

Joe Rogan 1:14:19 Oh.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:20 That's so sweet. It's so beautiful. And it's, like, such an invitation for everybody. Like anyone... You can all eat... I'm in your bread. I'm in, like... I'm in what the life i-... for itself-

Joe Rogan 1:14:32 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:32 ... to the point where you can connect with me just through basic, like, dietary stuff.

Joe Rogan 1:14:37 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:38 I love that. It's beautiful. Like, it's such a great way of fucking up the middle man, the priest class, the hierarchical bullshit. It's like, "No. I'm he... I'm completely with you right now."

Joe Rogan 1:14:49 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:50 Just you, y- y- you gotta reach out. And so these... whoever wro... whoever wrote that, I think that's what they were saying.

Joe Rogan 1:14:57 Hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:14:57 Because, like, w... you're kind of in a, in a weird part of the multiverse where it's easy to forget there's a lot more going on than what you think is going on there.

Joe Rogan 1:15:06 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:15:06 And it's easy to fall prey to all the tricks of that place, because it's a tricky place that wants you to worship it. And, and, and you don't have to do that. Like, that's beautiful. I... So, yeah, I don't care who it... I don't care who... whoever wrote it, or the people who wrote it, or the, you know, the... how... whatever the true story is, it's gonna be a mystery forever. But-

Joe Rogan 1:15:27 Yeah, but it's such a fascinating mystery.

Duncan Trussell 1:15:29 It is.

Joe Rogan 1:15:29 Like, I, I wish I could read Aramaic and then read the, the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Duncan Trussell 1:15:35 God, I know, man.

Joe Rogan 1:15:36 'Cause that's the oldest one we know of, right?

Duncan Trussell 1:15:38 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:15:38 That's the, the oldest version of the biblical stories.

Duncan Trussell 1:15:42 I'm pretty sure, man.

Joe Rogan 1:15:43 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:15:43 I mean, I wouldn't... I'm pretty sure. I imagine there's fragments and stuff that, like...

Joe Rogan 1:15:48 It's so fragmented that they had to use DNA to determine whether or not-

Duncan Trussell 1:15:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:53 ... the scrolls were from the same cow. So, like, when you would find pieces of animal flesh that were from different cows, they knew, "Okay, well put that in this pile."

Duncan Trussell 1:16:02 God damn, dude.

Joe Rogan 1:16:03 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:16:03 That would've been a fun archeological dig to be working on. Like, ugh.

Joe Rogan 1:16:07 (sighs) But also what a, what a mind fuck. You know, like trying to piece that puzzle together and-

Duncan Trussell 1:16:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:14 ... try to figure out... How old is the Dead Sea Scrolls? Like 4,000 years old or something?

Duncan Trussell 1:16:19 Dude, I don't know. I have no idea.

Joe Rogan 1:16:21 See, see how old the Dead Sea Scrolls are. I know they found them in Qumran. They found them in clay tablet or clay pots, third century BCE.

Duncan Trussell 1:16:31 Wow!

Joe Rogan 1:16:32 Wow!

Duncan Trussell 1:16:34 Yeah, man. I mean, then, then, like, when you get into, like, the, uh, Torah, Hebrew. When you get into, like, the... a lot of the stuff Jesus was referencing and you, and you get... you, you realize, like, not only is it, like powerful writing with like incredible parables in it about like w- ways society collapses, or families collapse, or a life collapses. It also is, like, mathematical. Like that, that... you know, I can't remember the name of it, but there's a whole thing where you... like the number... You know, I know we've talked about this, God and nature, same number. Like m-

Joe Rogan 1:17:12 God and love is the same. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:14 That.

Joe Rogan 1:17:14 Yeah. Yeah, it's-

Duncan Trussell 1:17:15 So what the fuck?

Joe Rogan 1:17:16 It's ancient Hebrew. Their, their numbers d- doubled as letters.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:20 Yeah. And then you see there's an intentionality-

Joe Rogan 1:17:22 Mm-hmm.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:23 ... to that patterning.

Joe Rogan 1:17:24 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:24 And so then, then you realize like, oh, so like, on top of telling these powerful stories, they figured out a way to encode within the powerful stories more information-

Joe Rogan 1:17:35 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:35 ... that only people are gonna find if they dig deeper, that's designed to be there for you if you want it, but you've gotta want it. You gotta dig in-

Joe Rogan 1:17:44 And, and human beings are like, "That language is too complicated. Let's abandon it." (laughs)

Duncan Trussell 1:17:47 I'm not learning that shit.

Joe Rogan 1:17:49 (laughs) They abandoned it.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:50 Well, not Hebrew. I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:17:50 I mean, think about how complicated... Ancient Hebrew.

Duncan Trussell 1:17:53 Oh, yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:53 I mean, nobody speaks that anymore. Uh, also uncovered was a 6,000-year-old skeleton of a partially mummified child and a 10,500-year-old basket, which Israeli authorities said could be the oldest in the world. A CT scan revealed the child's age was between six and 12, with the skin tendons and even hair partially preserved. Fuck.

Duncan Trussell 1:18:15 Ugh.

Narrator 1:18:15 In 2021, I don't remember hearing about this.

Joe Rogan 1:18:17 I don't remember hearing about that either.

Duncan Trussell 1:18:18 I don't... I've never heard that.

Joe Rogan 1:18:20 Wow.

Narrator 1:18:20 That's like 8000 BC-ish, or even longer, like 8500 BC when they found... this basket was made.

Duncan Trussell 1:18:26 (sighs) Wait, what is the...

Joe Rogan 1:18:28 Wow.

Duncan Trussell 1:18:28 Can we read that among the recovered texts, which are still all in Greek is Nahum 1:5-6, which says, "The mountains quake because of him and the hills melt. The earth heaves before him. The world and all that dwell therein, who can stand before his wrath? Who can resist his fury? His anger pours out like fire and rocks are shattered because of him." (laughs) Fuck. I mean, that's nature.

Joe Rogan 1:18:52 Wow! S- uh, hold up. Go there back. It says the authorities said these words differ slightly from other Bible versions, shedding a rare light on how biblical text changed over time from its earliest form. The Dea- the Dead Sea Scrolls have a lot of really weird stuff in them.

Duncan Trussell 1:19:11 Like what?

Joe Rogan 1:19:13 Well, you know the, the Christian stuff, the, the, the John Marco Allegro stuff from, um, the sacred mushroom and the cross.

Duncan Trussell 1:19:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:20 That's, that's all his interpretation. And I'm sure you would have to be a scholar to understand even-

Duncan Trussell 1:19:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:19:26 ... what the fuck they're saying. But he was essentially saying that you can trace back the word Christ to an ancient Sumerian word, which means a mushroom covered in God's semen.... and he thinks that when God orgasmed on the earth, things would blossom from it. This is like what- the way ancient people used to think of when it rained.

Duncan Trussell 1:19:46 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:19:46 They used to literally think God was coming, and then when those mushrooms would just appear out of the grass, which, you know, mushrooms grow really quickly. You know that.

Duncan Trussell 1:19:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:19:56 Um, so when people would wake up in the morning and see these mushrooms after the rain, and they would eat them and trip their fucking balls off-

Duncan Trussell 1:20:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:20:05 He, he... John Marco Allegro believed that this was the source of the original Christianity.

Duncan Trussell 1:20:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:20:11 That it was a lot... It was about psychedelic rituals, and it was about fertility cults.

Duncan Trussell 1:20:17 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:20:17 Yeah. It was about people trying to, trying to duplicate, trying to have children.

Duncan Trussell 1:20:22 (Exhales) I mean,-

Joe Rogan 1:20:24 And, you know-

Duncan Trussell 1:20:24 ... that's crazy, man.

Joe Rogan 1:20:25 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:20:26 Oh, God. That would have been so fun to trip back then.

Joe Rogan 1:20:29 (yawns) Oh.

Duncan Trussell 1:20:29 Like, "It's from God's jizz. Eat it."

Joe Rogan 1:20:32 Yeah, exa- unless your knee breaks, and there's no doctors. There's no nothing. You just die. Infection? Die. Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:20:40 Yeah. There's some drawbacks.

Joe Rogan 1:20:42 Oh, there's a lot of drawbacks on-

Duncan Trussell 1:20:44 Some drawbacks.

Joe Rogan 1:20:45 (laughs) No penicillin, no antibiotics, no vitamins, no grocery stores.

Duncan Trussell 1:20:51 No handwashing.

Joe Rogan 1:20:53 No handwashing, no knowledge of what, what's going on with bacteria and-

Duncan Trussell 1:20:58 They probably washed their hands.

Joe Rogan 1:20:59 Occasionally.

Duncan Trussell 1:21:01 I mean,-

Joe Rogan 1:21:02 If they were killing fish.

Duncan Trussell 1:21:03 ... I'm sure there's shit we're not doing right now-

Joe Rogan 1:21:06 I'm sure.

Duncan Trussell 1:21:06 ... as a species, that we should be doing.

Joe Rogan 1:21:08 I'm sure. I'm sure.

Duncan Trussell 1:21:08 Like, something where, in the future, they're like, "They didn't, they didn't tap their pineal glands every morning."

Joe Rogan 1:21:14 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:21:15 (laughs) What?

Joe Rogan 1:21:16 Yeah. They found out there was this one hack.

Duncan Trussell 1:21:18 Yeah, just one hack that makes you live longer. But yeah, man. I think if you explore the psychedelic universe as a, as an existent place that is... has its own consciousness, its own mind, and is interested in spreading itself into, like, little bubbles of, like, I don't know, parts of the universe that have forgotten about it.

Joe Rogan 1:21:44 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:21:44 'Cause that's the thing. We get amnesia of it here. Everyone's amnesic-

Joe Rogan 1:21:49 Right.

Duncan Trussell 1:21:49 ... to that reality. It, it, it, it... exploring, like, you know, the idea that it... sometimes it wants to send a, a letter here.

Joe Rogan 1:21:56 Yeah.

Duncan Trussell 1:21:57 It tries to break through, not just with Jesus, but with any, like, uh, what we call a messiah or a prophet or whatever.

Joe Rogan 1:22:03 Uh-huh.

Duncan Trussell 1:22:03 It's just some... It's like a leak in the dam, separating us from eternity and paradise. And these leaks appear in the form