Joe Rogan Experience #2014 - Jim Gaffigan

1. 0:00 – 2:00

   Diet, inflammation, and personalized medicine: from elimination diets to cancer treatment

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays)

   2. JGJim Gaffigan0:11

      No, no. Yeah, I know. No, I just-

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      (laughs)

   4. JGJim Gaffigan0:13

      ... I just saw that clip of Jordan. "I, I don't e-... I don't miss it either." Yeah, he's got weird autoimmune issues. So for him, there was like an elimination diet, and he found out that it was just a bunch of things that his body was reacting to in a very negative way, and one of them, apparently, was vegetables. A lot of it is like just complex carbohydrates. You know, a lot of it is, uh, bread and pasta and stuff like that. A lot of people get really inflamed eating that, and it causes a host of issues. Isn't that great? I mean, it's... Well, eventually, it... isn't there... You know, like even the problem with chemo... And, you know, I'm a guy who tells diarrhea jokes, so I know a lot about this.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:53

      (laughs)

   6. JGJim Gaffigan0:53

      Isn't it... Isn't the expectation that if they could kind of, uh, concierge your cancer treatment to your specific type of cancer for your type of body or your type of cells, that that's why people are gonna be able to live to 100, rich people are gonna be able to live to 100?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15

      Um, I think there's definitely a lot of research that's done in, in that way. But I, I also think that it, it depen-... It's... There's so many factors when it comes to cancer. There's environmental factors, there's lifestyle factors, like what you're eating, like you, how much stress you're under. There's a lot. There's genetic issues. There's a lot going on when it comes to cancer.

   8. JGJim Gaffigan1:37

      Yeah. I mean, there is like... I mean, you just hear about, you know, people from the Philippines, like an entire family, everyone died of cancer at 40. And you're like, "Uh."

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:50

      Yeah.

   10. JGJim Gaffigan1:51

       What's, uh... what's going on there?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:52

       Yeah.

   12. JGJim Gaffigan1:52

       You know? Like...

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       Unfortunately, though, some of it is genetic. Some people just have a shit roll of the dice, genetically, you know, and then there's-

2. 2:00 – 3:36

   Pale skin, sun exposure, and why people used to drink alcohol instead of water

   1. JGJim Gaffigan2:00

      Are you saying that because I have all recessive genes?

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:04

      Do you?

   3. JGJim Gaffigan2:04

      I mean, I am literally-

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:06

      All of them? 100%?

   5. JGJim Gaffigan2:06

      I'm like everything's recessive.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:09

      (laughs)

   7. JGJim Gaffigan2:09

      (laughs) I literally went into the dermatologist and he's like, "You know, well, we're just gonna..." Like, you know, 'cause y-... I don't know if you ever get the cancer stuff of the basal cells. He's like, "W- w- we, we should probably just chop off your arms 'cause they're just all basal cells." (laughs) So, it's like I am, uh, you know... Uh, I am all recessive genes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:30

      How did-

   9. JGJim Gaffigan2:30

      Blonde hair, blue eyes, pale skin-

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:31

       ... white people, really white people, deal with the sun-

   11. JGJim Gaffigan2:35

       I don't know.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:35

       ... back in the day before sunscreen?

   13. JGJim Gaffigan2:37

       Well, I think, I think some of it is, uh, you know, if they're in Northern Ireland or Scotland, uh, I don't... I think it's all right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:48

       Yeah. They're not gonna really get burned.

   15. JGJim Gaffigan2:49

       And they're also not living past 40, right?

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       (laughs)

   17. JGJim Gaffigan2:54

       (laughs) Right? I mean, they're kind of-

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:55

       Yeah.

   19. JGJim Gaffigan2:56

       They're like, "Look at this thing called alcohol." And then they're like, "Let's do this for the rest of our time we're on Earth." You know what I mean?

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:03

       Well, back then, like in the early, early days, they drank it because a lot of water was tainted.

   21. JGJim Gaffigan3:10

       Right. Oh yeah, during Jesus' time.

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       Everyone drank wine and beer.

   23. JGJim Gaffigan3:14

       Yeah, that's why the apostles fell asleep, is because they weren't drinking, uh, water. There were... It was cheaper to drink wine.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       Yeah.

   25. JGJim Gaffigan3:23

       And it was more of a party atmosphere.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:25

       And probably better for you than getting horrible toxins in your water, you know.

   27. JGJim Gaffigan3:31

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:31

       Viruses and bacteria and whatever the fuck is in still water that's sitting around for a while.

3. 3:36 – 5:18

   Bottled water culture: water “sommeliers,” plastic leaching, and recycling myths

   1. JGJim Gaffigan3:36

      Yeah. It is... I'd like... Are... Is there any difference between any of these waters? 'Cause, you know, like there's, oh, this water... I mean, I like Fiji water. Hopefully, they'll send me a case now.

   2. JRJoe Rogan3:48

      That's supposed to be pretty good.

   3. JGJim Gaffigan3:49

      But is there... And that's gotta be very good for the environment to have water shipped from an island in the North Atlantic. But like-

   4. JRJoe Rogan3:59

      Sure, as long as they're using fossil fuels to get it here.

   5. JGJim Gaffigan4:01

      (laughs) Right, I'm sure.

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:02

      (laughs)

   7. JGJim Gaffigan4:02

      I mean, there's water 10 feet from me, but I'd like to get mine from like this Nordic country that's like, uh, really far away. No, but is there any difference between these waters?

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      Yeah.

   9. JGJim Gaffigan4:14

      I mean, except for the Poland Spring that tastes like urine.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:16

       There's a guy that, uh, t- Tom Segura and Christine Baranski have had on their show. What's his name? Martin Renz? I forgot his name. He's, he's an a- an actual water connoisseur, like a water expert.

   11. JGJim Gaffigan4:28

       Oh, wow.

   12. JRJoe Rogan4:28

       And he rates the, the different mineral content in waters, all the-

   13. JGJim Gaffigan4:33

       So he's like a sommelier-

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:35

       Yeah.

   15. JGJim Gaffigan4:35

       ... for water.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:36

       A sommelier of water. Yeah, yeah.

   17. JGJim Gaffigan4:37

       Oh, that's so interesting.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:38

       What is his name?

   19. NANarrator4:38

       Yeah, you got Martin Reese.

   20. JRJoe Rogan4:40

       Martin Reese. Yeah, interesting guy. And he talks to them about water. It's all... He brought a bunch of different kinds of water and tells them what's good and what's bad. You really ideally want water in a glass bottle. You don't really want it in plastic. There's a lot of issues with plastic, with leaching-

   21. JGJim Gaffigan4:57

       Oh, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       ... if the water gets... You know, you don't know what's happening between the time it gets bottled and how it gets shipped to you. It could be sitting in the sun. It could be sitting in a hot warehouse, and plastic bottles leach these chemicals into the water, which are endocrine disruptors.

   23. JGJim Gaffigan5:12

       Oh, yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:12

       Not good.

   25. JGJim Gaffigan5:13

       Yeah. No, that's scary.

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:15

       Even water.

   27. JGJim Gaffigan5:16

       Even water, Jim.

4. 5:18 – 8:52

   Microplastics, fish contamination, and the sugar problem (soda, fake sugar, and portion creep)

   1. JRJoe Rogan5:18

      Well, I remember, I watched this, um, thing about, I don't know, all these... uh, all the plastic that's in the ocean, and then the fish eat the- Mm-hmm.

   2. JGJim Gaffigan5:28

      ... plastic, and then... And I just was like, "I'm so relieved I don't like fish."

   3. JRJoe Rogan5:34

      (laughs)

   4. JGJim Gaffigan5:34

      (laughs) 'Cause you're always like, "Oh, fish is so good for you." And I'm like, "Yeah? Well, now I, I'm gonna stick to burgers."

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:40

      There's mercury too. Mercury is a big one.

   6. JGJim Gaffigan5:42

      Right. Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:42

      A lot of, a lot of fish have mercury poisoning. Mm-hmm.

   8. JGJim Gaffigan5:43

      But there's a lot of plastics in there that, that some of these k-... these fish, they can't even... like they, they can't mate or whatever. I don't know. I, I know-

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:55

      (laughs)

   10. JGJim Gaffigan5:55

       ... I sound scientific.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:56

       (laughs) Jim is so specific. "Did you do a lot of research?"

   12. JGJim Gaffigan5:59

       He can't... They can't do things.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:01

       They can't mate or something?

   14. JGJim Gaffigan6:02

       They can't mate.

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       ... they're not interested.

   16. JGJim Gaffigan6:05

       They're not interested.

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:07

       Yeah. Not good. Uh, and it's a lot of people think that when you recycle plastic bottles that they get recycled, but they don't.

   18. JGJim Gaffigan6:14

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:14

       Most... I think it's something around the neighborhood of 90% of all plastic single-use bottles get put into landfills. If... Or, they get shipped to other countries, and the other countries wind up polluting with them.

   20. JGJim Gaffigan6:28

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:29

       Yeah.

   22. JGJim Gaffigan6:30

       So, what's the solution?

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:32

       Well, really, there, there are biodegradable plastics, and biodegradable plastics that are made out of hemp fiber. It's... That's a real thing. Like, they can't... They can make plastic made out of things other than petrochemical products.

   24. JGJim Gaffigan6:47

       Yeah, but isn't it a little bit like the fake sugar? Like, there's always... I had a joke about it, like, there's... Oh, ev- ev-... You know, when we were growing up, there was saccharin, and they're like, "Oh, no, it causes cancer." And they're like, "Oh, here's a new fake sugar." And then two years later, "That one causes cancer." It's like everything causes cancer.

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:03

       They're just coming out now about aspartame. They're talking about aspartame-

   26. JGJim Gaffigan7:06

       Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       ... which everyone's saying, "That's the one that's okay."

   28. JGJim Gaffigan7:09

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       I'm like, "Nope, that's not good for you, either." (laughs)

   30. JGJim Gaffigan7:12

       It's just, sugar is the great Satan, right?
5. 8:52 – 12:29

   Social media as a mental health accelerant for teens (comparison, porn, and bullying)

   1. JGJim Gaffigan8:52

      You know what I mean? But, I do think the, the, uh... You know, I don't think that we, uh, as a society have embraced the fact that social media is one of the worst things that has happened to human beings ever.

   2. JRJoe Rogan9:11

      For sure, for health. For, like, mental health.

   3. JGJim Gaffigan9:13

      Mental health.

   4. JRJoe Rogan9:14

      Yeah, for sure. It's terrible. There, there's documentation. There's, there's a great book called the, um... What, what is it? The American Mind, uh, the Jonathan Haidt book. W- what is it called? The Coddling of the American Mind. The Coddling of the American Mind. Yeah. And, uh, it's, it's... It, it documents the self-harm and suicide rates of young kids.

   5. JGJim Gaffigan9:38

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan9:39

      Particularly girls.

   7. JGJim Gaffigan9:40

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:40

      It's real bad.

   9. JGJim Gaffigan9:42

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       It's a lot of online bullying between each other, like hate and vitriol, and just the, the comparing themselves to other people-

   11. JGJim Gaffigan9:50

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:50

       ... unfavorably. And now with filters, and, like, you're, you're essentially comparing yourself to fiction.

   13. JGJim Gaffigan9:56

       It, it... You know, it's interesting when you consider for generation upon generation, uh, people would look at their parents, and their parents would say, "You know, I had to walk five miles to school. I had to walk uphill both ways."

   14. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       Yeah.

   15. JGJim Gaffigan10:10

       And all that. And I look at my teenagers, and I'm like, "Oh, they have it harder. They, they definitely have it harder." Like, d-... You know, like, in high school, dealing with, you know, you were compared to people in your high school. Now these kids are compared to everyone on the internet.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JGJim Gaffigan10:27

       It's, like, the... Just the, uh... You know, the, the, uh, the ac-... You know, like, the... You know, like, we used to... When we were kids, you're like, "Hey, Tommy's dad, who's divorced, has a Playboy. We're gonna go over there, and we're gonna look at it in a field."

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:44

       (laughs) Yeah.

   19. JGJim Gaffigan10:44

       Like, we did that when we were, like, 13.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:47

       Yup.

   21. JGJim Gaffigan10:48

       And now it's like the porn is thrown at you.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:51

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JGJim Gaffigan10:52

       And so, like, I look at... You know, I think kids got it much harder.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:57

       They definitely have it much harder psychologically. Yeah, no doubt. And just, just the online bullying and the, the way they, they tweet to each other and, you know, leave Instagram messages and Snapchats. It's just... It's evil. Uh, and-

   25. JGJim Gaffigan11:14

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan11:14

       ... they, they do it to each other on a daily basis, and it's a normal thing for kids to just be real shitty to each other online, and-

   27. JGJim Gaffigan11:21

       And, and they don't have to see the-

   28. JRJoe Rogan11:23

       Yeah.

   29. JGJim Gaffigan11:23

       ... the reaction.

   30. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       Yeah, yeah.
6. 12:29 – 36:08

   Alcohol, Sober October, and the recovery gap between drinking and cannabis

   1. JGJim Gaffigan12:29

      And, and, and by the way, he's gonna outlive everyone-

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:33

      (laughs)

   3. JGJim Gaffigan12:34

      (laughs) That's the great irony. He's gonna be-

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:36

      Well, there's a balance, right?

   5. JGJim Gaffigan12:37

      He's gonna be crying at your funeral.

   6. JRJoe Rogan12:38

      He's having so much fun, and yet he's so heal- unhealthy. But yet, he's always laughing and having fun. There's gotta be a balance in there that's being achieved.

   7. JGJim Gaffigan12:48

      He's so unhealthy, but it's, uh, uh, but there is... Like, you see him, like, uh, snowboarding.

   8. JRJoe Rogan12:54

      Yeah.

   9. JGJim Gaffigan12:54

      He's not, like, somebody... Like, there is-

   10. JRJoe Rogan12:57

       He's not ambulatory.

   11. JGJim Gaffigan12:58

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan12:59

       Yeah.

   13. JGJim Gaffigan12:59

       And, you know, like, I, like, when I think of how my dad used to drink. Like, my dad would come home, he would have a vodka. And then at one point, he would switch to Scotch. I thought that was normal. I'm like, "You know when your dad has two vodkas and then he switches?" And so, like, there... But he would wake up the next morning and be fine. And I, I kind of look at Bert the same way. It's like, he has a, a, a stamina. I mean, some of it's for show, obviously. But, like, he has a stamina that is unusual. He really is the machine.

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:30

       Yeah, he's got a very-

   15. JGJim Gaffigan13:30

       He proves this point.

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:31

       ... unusual tolerance for alcohol.

   17. JGJim Gaffigan13:34

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:35

       And his, he's accustomed to feeling like shit and recovering.

   19. JGJim Gaffigan13:39

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:39

       He does a lot of stuff, like saunas and cold plunges, and he gets IVs, and he does a lot of stuff to try to mitigate the effects. But yeah, he's, he's going hard.

   21. JGJim Gaffigan13:49

       Yeah. It's crazy.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:51

       (laughs)

   23. JGJim Gaffigan13:52

       It's... I'm jealous. I'm jealous.

   24. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       Are you? (laughs)

   25. JGJim Gaffigan13:55

       Yeah. You know, I have like... Yesterday was, um, our anniversary, and we, I had a glass of champagne with my wife. And halfway through dinner, I was starting to get the headache. I'm like, "What the hell is happening to me?"

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:07

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JGJim Gaffigan14:08

       I just can't... My body's like, "Whoa, whoa."

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       Yeah, when I take time off of drinking. Like, we do Sober October every year.

   29. JGJim Gaffigan14:15

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:16

       And then I'll have a day when we go back, we get fucked up. And the next day, I'm like, "I'm not doing this anymore. This is over."
7. 36:08 – 41:39

   Testosterone replacement, cold plunges, and “earned” dopamine

   1. JGJim Gaffigan36:08

      It's, it's... Oh, here, let me... Here's something I wanna ask. So, like, energy... And I could just ask Sagara and, uh, um, Bert this, but are they on, like, um, testosterone?

   2. JRJoe Rogan36:22

      Bert? I'm f-

   3. JGJim Gaffigan36:23

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan36:23

      Yeah, definitely.

   5. JGJim Gaffigan36:25

      But, you know, like, how is th- uh, how is that... How can I get that?

   6. JRJoe Rogan36:29

      You can. You go to a doctor.

   7. JGJim Gaffigan36:31

      And is it like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan36:32

      Do you want it?

   9. JGJim Gaffigan36:33

      Well, I don't know.

   10. JRJoe Rogan36:34

       I can get you hooked up.

   11. JGJim Gaffigan36:35

       I mean, is it gonna... I- I'm not gonna-

   12. JRJoe Rogan36:36

       You'll feel a lot better.

   13. JGJim Gaffigan36:37

       ... murder my family, are I? Am I?

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:39

       No, no, no, no, no.

   15. JGJim Gaffigan36:41

       All right, sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan36:41

       You didn't murder your family-

   17. JGJim Gaffigan36:42

       Then I don't want-

   18. JRJoe Rogan36:42

       ... when you were 30, did you?

   19. JGJim Gaffigan36:43

       Then I don't want it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan36:45

       (laughs)

   21. JGJim Gaffigan36:46

       (laughs) No, but like energy-wise-

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:49

       Yeah.

   23. JGJim Gaffigan36:49

       ... stamina. I've never been an energetic person. You're, I know people are listening, they're like, "No, Jim, you?"

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:56

       He's being humble.

   25. JGJim Gaffigan36:57

       Uh, but...Yeah, so that would be, um-

   26. JRJoe Rogan37:00

       You would have more energy, for sure.

   27. JGJim Gaffigan37:01

       I'd have more energy.

   28. JRJoe Rogan37:02

       Sure. Your immune system would work better. Everything would work better.

   29. JGJim Gaffigan37:05

       So why isn't everyone just on it, testing?

   30. JRJoe Rogan37:06

       Well, a lot of people are. There's a lot more people on testosterone replacement.
8. 41:39 – 46:27

   Gardening, farming happiness, and what “real” food used to taste like

   1. JGJim Gaffigan41:39

      And so when I, you know, think about, like, uh, things that are, like, for mental health, and, you know, for me it sounds kinda corny, but I have, I, during the pandemic, I started gardening, and it is amazing. It sounds... And I know, I'm, you know, trying to... People are like, "My grandma gardens." But it is... I mean, some of it is I wanted to be a farmer, I, you know, when I was in eighth grade. But, like, the, farmers are happy. Like, there is something about their, about the meditative nature. There's also, you plant something and you come out and there's... You f- Sometimes there's, uh, a huge amount of peppers. It's like Christmas morning.

   2. JRJoe Rogan42:24

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JGJim Gaffigan42:24

      And sometimes it's a disaster, but it's, it's amazing.

   4. JRJoe Rogan42:28

      It's a complicated task.

   5. JGJim Gaffigan42:30

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan42:30

      And interesting. Yeah, it, it, it engages you.

   7. JGJim Gaffigan42:33

      And it's...

   8. JRJoe Rogan42:33

      Yeah.

   9. JGJim Gaffigan42:34

      And there is something about... 'Cause I see the, you know, that the happiest people are farmers, and I'm like, "That makes perfect sense."

   10. JRJoe Rogan42:42

       Uh, is that real?

   11. JGJim Gaffigan42:43

       I think so.

   12. JRJoe Rogan42:43

       The happiest people are farmers? I would imagine that providing people with food also feels good, being a provider, and just the, the whole... I think there's probably, like, a genetic co- component to it. There's a long history of human beings farming, and so I think i- there's also, like, built-in human reward systems based on certain behavior that you know leads to success and survival, and I would imagine that farming is on that list.

   13. JGJim Gaffigan43:09

       Yeah. I think it's, uh...... it, it's, it's very-- it, it's just amazing how-

   14. JRJoe Rogan43:15

       It's just cool anyway.

   15. JGJim Gaffigan43:17

       It is.

   16. JRJoe Rogan43:17

       You know, you plant some seeds, you see the sprouts grow up.

   17. JGJim Gaffigan43:19

       Right.

   18. JRJoe Rogan43:19

       It's cool.

   19. JGJim Gaffigan43:20

       It's amazing. I mean-

   20. JRJoe Rogan43:22

       Yeah.

   21. JGJim Gaffigan43:22

       ... just-- and all the different plants and what you do to help the plant, and-

   22. JRJoe Rogan43:27

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JGJim Gaffigan43:28

       I mean, it's just insane how-

   24. JRJoe Rogan43:29

       And it's a great way to get food.

   25. JGJim Gaffigan43:31

       And it, and it encourages you to eat healthier.

   26. JRJoe Rogan43:33

       Yeah, yeah.

   27. JGJim Gaffigan43:34

       'Cause if you grow something, you're like, "We're gonna eat this celery."

   28. JRJoe Rogan43:37

       Right.

   29. JGJim Gaffigan43:37

       And it's like, besides that time, I've never eaten celery.

   30. JRJoe Rogan43:41

       (laughs)
9. 46:27 – 51:58

   Cheat meals, food culture, and why great cuisine matters beyond nutrition

   1. JGJim Gaffigan46:27

      And so do you have one cheat day 'cause, you know, we've talked about Italian food that-

   2. JRJoe Rogan46:32

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JGJim Gaffigan46:32

      ... that's, uh, you know-

   4. JRJoe Rogan46:33

      That's my fucking-

   5. JGJim Gaffigan46:34

      ... Vetri's place in Philadelphia.

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:35

      Italian food and Mexican food.

   7. JGJim Gaffigan46:36

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:36

      Those are my, those are my vices.

   9. JGJim Gaffigan46:38

      And is it once a week or it... (clears throat)

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:41

       Yeah, once a week I'll have something every now and again, depend- like we were in the Bronx, I was in New York, uh, a couple weeks ago, and we went to this, uh, sandwich shop in the Bronx, G&R Deli, and we had these massive Italian subs. It was fucking incredible.

   11. JGJim Gaffigan46:55

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:55

       And I'm like, when I'm eating that, I'm not thinking at all about health.

   13. JGJim Gaffigan46:59

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:59

       It's al- it's mangia, you know?

   15. JGJim Gaffigan47:01

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:01

       It's like hanging out with, uh, these wild Italians eating their fucking incredible food.

   17. JGJim Gaffigan47:06

       And do you feel the consequences of, you know, eating bread when you don't-

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       Look at that.

   19. JGJim Gaffigan47:11

       ... normally?

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:12

       Come on, look at that.

   21. JGJim Gaffigan47:13

       Oh, wow.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:13

       That's the spot. What I felt like afterwards? Yeah, I felt like I ate a brick. (laughs)

   23. JGJim Gaffigan47:19

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:19

       But it was so good. It-

   25. JGJim Gaffigan47:21

       Wow.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:21

       You know, I just think there's also pleasure in food that I really enjoy, and that's one of the things that I really enjoy about Italian food, uh, really enjoy about Mexican food. I just love the pleasure of eating these delicious meals, and I know they're not good for you. You know, if I'm eating linguini with clams-

   27. JGJim Gaffigan47:37

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:37

       ... I'm under no illusion that I'm eating health food.

   29. JGJim Gaffigan47:40

       It is fascinating how different cultures excel at cooking.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:45

       Mm-hmm.
10. 51:58 – 58:51

    Work, ambition, and creative momentum: why being busy can be healthier than comfort

    1. JGJim Gaffigan51:58

       And so when you consider- so you're a b- you enjoy being busy, right? You enjoy-

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:04

       Yeah.

    3. JGJim Gaffigan52:04

       ... or, you know, you're, you know, I mean, you've got a lot of hats, right? And some of that is, uh, you know, I'm- I feel like, uh, in some ways, I'm very similar. I love standup, I love acting, I love doing different things. Obviously, my family is kind of important. You know what I mean?

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:21

       (laughs)

    5. JGJim Gaffigan52:21

       But, like, the- do you ever have a moment where, like, you, you look at the mania, not a- and that's kind of unfair to characterize it as mania, but the pacing?

    6. JRJoe Rogan52:32

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JGJim Gaffigan52:33

       So, like, even last night, I was talking to my wife. I'm like, "Yeah, I gotta get up at 4:00 so I can get on this flight to go to Austin." She's like, "Why do you- why do you- why do you need to do that? Why do you need to, like..." And I'm like, "Because it's a terrific opportunity." And, you know, some of it is, like, you know, I have this new special and it's like, you know, when we started standup, you know, there was- i- it was a different world. But like this- the- this process of standup is so rewarding. But like, do you ever have a perspective where you're like, "What am I doing?" Do you know what I'm saying? Maybe I'm not making sense.

    8. JRJoe Rogan53:13

       I know what you're saying.

    9. JGJim Gaffigan53:14

       But it's just like, why-

    10. JRJoe Rogan53:15

        If you're overwhelmed-

    11. JGJim Gaffigan53:16

        ... why-

    12. JRJoe Rogan53:16

        Yeah.

    13. JGJim Gaffigan53:16

        ... why 10 specials? Why, why, um, 'cause it's fulfilling.

    14. JRJoe Rogan53:21

        Mm-hmm.

    15. JGJim Gaffigan53:21

        The work is gratifying in itself.

    16. JRJoe Rogan53:23

        Yeah.

    17. JGJim Gaffigan53:23

        The journey is the thing that's important. But is there something of, you know, also, you know, you don't wanna not take advantage of an opportunity.

    18. JRJoe Rogan53:34

        Right.

    19. JGJim Gaffigan53:34

        You see what I mean? And w- I also know that, like, coming up for- coming up with a new line or a new topic even for jokes is so rewarding and it's- it feeds itself. But like, do you ever look at the pace of your life and think, "Why am I going so hard?"

    20. JRJoe Rogan53:55

        Occasionally. Yeah, but not most of the time. Most of the time I'm enjoying it.

    21. JGJim Gaffigan53:59

        It's-

    22. JRJoe Rogan53:59

        Because most of the time-

    23. JGJim Gaffigan53:59

        ... it is fun.

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:00

        ... it's way better to be busy doing something you love than to wish you were busy-

    25. JGJim Gaffigan54:04

        Oh my gosh.

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:04

        ... doing something that you love.

    27. JGJim Gaffigan54:05

        Yeah. And also having gone through decades of, of not having the opportunity to do what you love.

    28. JRJoe Rogan54:14

        Yeah.

    29. JGJim Gaffigan54:14

        Or doing it under certain, uh, parameters.

    30. JRJoe Rogan54:18

        Yeah. And, you know, really struggling.
11. 58:51 – 1:02:19

    Outrage politics, media manipulation, and the “we’re all distracted” problem (UFOs, X, and attention span)

    1. JGJim Gaffigan58:51

       Yeah. And then, and I, and there is something about, I mean, I don't think we even m- there's probably people that understand this, but like, this outrage machine is f- it serves such a purpose. And, I'm talking about both sides.

    2. JRJoe Rogan59:07

       Mm-hmm.

    3. JGJim Gaffigan59:07

       Like, you know, "Fucking Trump."

    4. JRJoe Rogan59:10

       Yeah.

    5. JGJim Gaffigan59:10

       "Fucking Biden." There is like this, there is this thing that like, it serves something in us that is probably not healthy.

    6. JRJoe Rogan59:22

       Definitely not healthy.

    7. JGJim Gaffigan59:23

       Right?

    8. JRJoe Rogan59:24

       Yeah.

    9. JGJim Gaffigan59:24

       And it's, it's certainly not constructive. Do you know what I mean?

    10. JRJoe Rogan59:28

        Yeah.

    11. JGJim Gaffigan59:28

        Like, I feel as though, you know, with comedians, we are so used to being around, and I, but w- we're so used to being around people of different points of view and different sensibilities that we grow to love that it's not completely foreign to like... I remember at 4th of July, I had a friend that was like at Occupy Wall Street, and then I had a friend who works at Fox News, and they were there, and they've known each other for 30 years, and it was nothing. It was n- it was not an issue. It was interesting. I mean, I was asking them questions. You know, I'm like, "All right. So what's going on here?"

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

        Yeah.

    13. JGJim Gaffigan1:00:11

        And, uh, but there is something, maybe it's because comedians are misfits 'cause I say that also, and I sometimes think like, sometimes people in the entertainment industry are like, "You know, my business is so weird." When the reality is, (laughs) you know, in a bank, in a, you know, in a construction site, there's people of dramatically different opinions too, and they gotta go along to get along.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

        Yeah.

    15. JGJim Gaffigan1:00:38

        Right?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:00:39

        Yeah.

    17. JGJim Gaffigan1:00:39

        But, I don't know.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

        Well, people like being in opposition of other people, and they, they like thinking that those people on that other side are keeping them from living the dream or keeping, you know, this country from being great or keeping, you know, people from prospering and keeping democracy alive, and if we don't defeat them, we're fucked. And, they, they like having this like wild cause. And, there's some validity to it. I mean, there's a lot of real challenging issues in this country.

    19. JGJim Gaffigan1:01:05

        There are.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

        Like real dangerous, scary issues, and there's a lot of financial interests that are tied up in these dangerous, scary issues, and they will avoid solutions because they're profiting off of the problem itself.

    21. JGJim Gaffigan1:01:18

        Wow.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

        There's a lot of that going on.

    23. JGJim Gaffigan1:01:20

        Yeah. I mean-

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

        That's a lot of the homeless problem.

    25. JGJim Gaffigan1:01:22

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

        That's a lot of, there's a lot of issues in this country that you could pick one side or another and just decide the o- tho- those people are the problem. It's insanely complicated. It's insanely interwoven and complex, and you know to just-... to, y- you know, reduce it down to the right versus the left, and we're the good guys, and they're the bad guys. It's like, (sighs) it's- that's such a stupid perspective, and you're being played. You're being played by the media. You're being played by politicians, you know. It's like-

    27. JGJim Gaffigan1:01:52

        Yeah.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

        ... uh, manufactured outrage, recreational outrage, and it's just a giant distraction that's constantly going on, and then there's UFOs.

    29. JGJim Gaffigan1:02:00

        Yeah. What's go- why is it that the UFO thing comes up every couple months, where people are like, "There's UFOs," and then, uh, like, a half hour later, people are like, "Did you see the new Colts uniform?"

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:13

        (laughs)
12. 1:02:19 – 1:05:47

    Fentanyl, unregulated drugs, and New York’s “wild west” legalization fallout

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

    2. JGJim Gaffigan1:02:19

       ... things from, like, stuff that, (clears throat) y- you know, is- is the theme of, uh, every sci-fi movie, right? It's, we're so, you know, like, the, you know, the aliens thing, in the pandemic, where they're like, "Well, here's the aliens info," and people are like, "That's unbelievable." Did you see what Trump said to that female reporter?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:02:39

       (laughs)

    4. JGJim Gaffigan1:02:39

       You know what I mean? Like, we are so easily distracted-

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:02:42

       Yeah.

    6. JGJim Gaffigan1:02:43

       ... by, but, I mean, I don't think it's a conspiracy necessarily. I think it's just that human beings are just like goldfish. I think we forget.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:02:55

       For sure.

    8. JGJim Gaffigan1:02:55

       Oh, yeah. That's right. Oh, that's right.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:02:57

       We definitely are, but then th- there's also people that take advantage of that, and I think there's definitely calculated news releases and leaks that they put out to distract us from other complicated things that are also going on simultaneously. The fascinating thing about the UFO thing is 'cause if this had happened in, like, the 1980s, it would be front page of every newspaper. Everyone would be talking about it at work. Everyone would be-

    10. JGJim Gaffigan1:03:20

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:03:20

        ... talking about it on the street, like, "Oh, my God." They had congressional hearings where they said, "We've recovered multiple crashed vehicles from other planets. We have alien biological entities that are in freezers, that they have right now. The government has been doing this for 80 years and keeping it secret. There's a crash retrieval program. There's a back engineering program." This was all in the congressional hearings yesterday, and everybody's like, "Eh, whatever."

    12. JGJim Gaffigan1:03:48

        (laughs) But Elon Musk changed it to an X.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:03:50

        Why is it an X?

    14. JGJim Gaffigan1:03:52

        Well- (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:03:52

        He's a Nazi.

    16. JGJim Gaffigan1:03:53

        Well, (laughs) I-

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:54

        (laughs)

    18. JGJim Gaffigan1:03:54

        Here's what I don't understand. Like, 'cause you- you talk to him. You're probably friendly with him, but like, I'm g- he reminds me of a comedian. He reminds-

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:04:03

        Yes.

    20. JGJim Gaffigan1:04:03

        ... me of, like, the comedian that- that, 'cause there's the comedians where they're like, they'll be like, "Hey, do us a favor. Whatever you do, don't bring up that person with the blue shirt," and the comedian's like, "I am bringing up that person with the blue shirt." (laughs)

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:04:16

        Right.

    22. JGJim Gaffigan1:04:16

        He is that, like, the X thing, and I haven't done a deep dive. I know people are upset about it, and- and, but I'm sitting there, and I know that people are like ... But my takeaway is like, oh, he's d- that- that's- he's just doing that for fun, right?

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:04:34

        Yeah.

    24. JGJim Gaffigan1:04:35

        That's just him, like, "All right. The Russians did a Z on their trucks? What could I do on Twitter that would freak people out?" And that's kind of ... Or is it a distraction?

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:04:49

        What he's doing?

    26. JGJim Gaffigan1:04:50

        Or is, like here, like let me-

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:04:52

        Okay.

    28. JGJim Gaffigan1:04:52

        All right. Here's my conspiracy.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:04:53

        Okay.

    30. JGJim Gaffigan1:04:53

        My conspiracy is Twitter threads is, uh, you know, it's still in development, but like Twitter's really struggling, right? Let's say it's struggling.
13. 1:05:47 – 1:09:15

    Corruption and accountability: SBF, insider trading in Congress, and Epstein’s “impossible” suicide

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:05:47

       he made the shape of the rocket different because he likes the movie Space Balls.

    2. JGJim Gaffigan1:05:52

       Right.

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:05:52

       I mean, that's why he called-

    4. JGJim Gaffigan1:05:53

       No, he put a- he put a Tesla in- in the satellite.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:05:57

       (laughs)

    6. JGJim Gaffigan1:05:57

       There's that, but then there's also the- the knowledge. I mean, I have a 17-year-old son who I know says things to push buttons.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:08

       Oh, yeah.

    8. JGJim Gaffigan1:06:09

       And so he's a little bit like, "You know, I'm going to do this, and it's gonna make some people upset."

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:19

       Yeah.

    10. JGJim Gaffigan1:06:19

        Right? It's part, in- in a way, it's part of the outrage machine, right?

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:22

        Sure.

    12. JGJim Gaffigan1:06:23

        He's like, "I gotta feed the outrage machine."

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:06:26

        Well, it's a fun thing for a kid too, to fuck with you, say something to your dad.

    14. JGJim Gaffigan1:06:30

        Feel some power.

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:06:31

        Yeah, yeah.

    16. JGJim Gaffigan1:06:31

        Right?

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:06:32

        Just put a little push. "Hey, Dad, do you ever think that maybe you're wrong? Hey, hey, Dad?"

    18. JGJim Gaffigan1:06:36

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:06:36

        "Do you ever think that maybe the other side is on the right path and you're- you're the enemy of history?"

    20. JGJim Gaffigan1:06:40

        Yes, yes. And, you know, I've got five kids with five different opinions, and it's just ...

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:06:48

        It's crazy how different their opinions are, isn't it?

    22. JGJim Gaffigan1:06:50

        There is-

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:06:51

        Out of the box, same house. (laughs)

    24. JGJim Gaffigan1:06:53

        There is no e- e- I mean, just one's a social justice warrior. One's like, "All right. I gotta make sure he doesn't turn into a troll."

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:07:03

        (laughs)

    26. JGJim Gaffigan1:07:03

        You know? (laughs) One who's a terrific athlete.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:07:06

        Yeah.

    28. JGJim Gaffigan1:07:07

        One who's, like, either gonna be a fashion designer or a serial killer. It's just-

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:07:12

        (laughs)

    30. JGJim Gaffigan1:07:12

        ... bananas. But, you know, you know, there is part of me as a comedian, I'm like, "God, you know what? You don't want the easy life 'cause the easy life, it's hard to come up with material." You want to live in chaos.
14. 1:09:15 – 1:49:08

    2024 politics and January 6th: nominees, indictments, and the role of intelligence agencies

    1. JGJim Gaffigan1:09:15

       All right, let me ask you this.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:09:16

       Okay.

    3. JGJim Gaffigan1:09:17

       What are the chances of- of Biden and Trump being the nominees?

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:09:22

       I think the chance of Trump is very high. I think the chance of V- Biden is entirely dependent on whether or not they can do something to turn its health around, 'cause it- it seems like his mental health is deteriorating so rapidly and so publicly that it's a narrative now, and it's an inescapable narrative. I mean, he just said they cured cancer the other day. Did you see that?

    5. JGJim Gaffigan1:09:44

       Yeah. I mean, I didn't see it, but...

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:09:45

       I mean, he just says things, and he doesn't know what he's saying. He clearly is compromised mentally. There's something wrong.

    7. JGJim Gaffigan1:09:52

       There is something about the age of everyone.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:09:55

       Yeah.

    9. JGJim Gaffigan1:09:56

       So you probably saw the Mitch McConnell thing-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:09:57

        Amazing.

    11. JGJim Gaffigan1:09:58

        ... with Dianne Feinstein, you know, uh...

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:09:59

        He just rebooted-

    13. JGJim Gaffigan1:10:01

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:10:01

        ... in front of everybody.

    15. JGJim Gaffigan1:10:02

        (laughs)

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:10:02

        << Do, do, do >>

    17. JGJim Gaffigan1:10:03

        And, you know, like the, uh, Chuck Grassley.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:10:05

        Yeah.

    19. JGJim Gaffigan1:10:05

        There is ... And I tried to write about this, but it's- it's also like our perception of it, 'cause y- part of you is like, "Okay, Mick Jagger is 80. He's killing it." He's probably, you know, he's probably got two more wives in him. You know what I mean?

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:10:24

        (laughs)

    21. JGJim Gaffigan1:10:24

        And then you got- you got Harrison Ford-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:10:28

        Yeah.

    23. JGJim Gaffigan1:10:28

        ... did, uh, Raiders of the Lost Ark. I saw the movie, brought it with my kids. It's an action movie. He's, uh, still an action star, age of 80. Jane Fonda, Lily Tomlin, kicking ass.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:10:39

        Yeah.

    25. JGJim Gaffigan1:10:39

        They're in their 80s.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:10:40

        Yeah.

    27. JGJim Gaffigan1:10:40

        And then, you sit there and you look at, you know, Nancy Pelosi was 84.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:10:45

        Yeah.

    29. JGJim Gaffigan1:10:46

        You know, uh, Dianne Feinstein. You know, it's like...

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:10:49

        Well, Feinstein's compromised. They- they actually hid that she's compromised. There's like all this...

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