Joe Rogan Experience #2045 - Jimmy Carr

Narrator 0:00 (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Hey.

Jimmy Carr 0:13 Hello, Jimmy. Hey, Joe. How are ya?

Joe Rogan 0:15 (laughs) Good to see you, buddy.

Jimmy Carr 0:16 It's very nice to see you. This is, uh, it's a hell of a setup.

Joe Rogan 0:19 Thank you. Thank you very much.

Jimmy Carr 0:20 I'm like in Austin, Texas. I've been here about 18 hours, and, uh, it's, uh, yeah. Five stars on TripAdvisor so far.

Joe Rogan 0:26 Did you do a set last night?

Jimmy Carr 0:27 I didn't do a set, but I went to the club.

Joe Rogan 0:29 Yeah?

Jimmy Carr 0:29 And the club is, it's phenomenal.

Joe Rogan 0:31 Thank you, thank you.

Jimmy Carr 0:32 It's almost like someone with an unlimited budget built a comedy club.

Joe Rogan 0:35 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 0:35 That's what it felt like, Joe. I don't know, I don't know if your business manager has a view on this.

Joe Rogan 0:40 Yeah, I don't-

Jimmy Carr 0:40 But I think something along the lines of-

Joe Rogan 0:41 I'm not good at taking advice. (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 0:43 Yeah, but it's, it's so great. It's so set up from the comic's point of view.

Joe Rogan 0:48 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 0:48 It's like, uh, no food.

Joe Rogan 0:51 Yeah, no food.

Jimmy Carr 0:51 No food is a great choice.

Joe Rogan 0:53 Yeah, you can have food.

Jimmy Carr 0:54 Yeah, people can eat afterwards.

Joe Rogan 0:54 Go eat before.

Jimmy Carr 0:55 Or afterwards. Yeah, or afterwards.

Joe Rogan 0:56 Eat after, eat before. There's so many places to eat on 6th Street.

Jimmy Carr 0:58 There's a-

Joe Rogan 0:59 There's a nice pizza place right next door.

Jimmy Carr 1:00 Your neighbors are gonna love you as well-

Joe Rogan 1:01 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:02 ... because it's that thing, if you go, yeah, it creates a bit of a community, and it's full. It's like packed with people and-

Joe Rogan 1:07 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:07 ... it's kind of, yeah, it's phenomenal. Great space.

Joe Rogan 1:09 Well, it's one of those Kevin Costner things, you know, "You build it, they will come," from the Field of Dreams.

Jimmy Carr 1:14 Yeah. Well, it feels kinda bigger than that as well, in terms of, you know, you've come out here, and what are you giving back?

Joe Rogan 1:20 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:20 And comedy's given you everything, as it has me, and you go, "Well, what, what can you give back?"

Joe Rogan 1:26 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:26 What can you do for your community? And it feels like that's a great thing to do.

Joe Rogan 1:30 But also, it seemed like I kind of had to do it because when I moved here, I had this idea that I'd just be able to, like, do whatever local spots I could and then go on the road, and I kind of could. But one of the things that I've realized is that comics need community. It's very important. Like, and that's one of the things that we really had at The Comedy Store that made The Comedy Store so special, is that it wasn't just that it was a great place to work and come up with new material and work on it, but it was also a great place to meet other people that were doing the same thing.

Jimmy Carr 2:01 It's interesting, comedy-

Joe Rogan 2:02 And you get to sit and talk.

Jimmy Carr 2:02 ... as opposed to acting.

Joe Rogan 2:04 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 2:04 You know that thing... Alan Havey said this great thing to me. He said, "Comedians, we're out for ourselves but in it together."

Joe Rogan 2:10 Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 2:10 I thought, "Ah, that's, it's really interesting, that thing of like going, yeah. Everyone's doing their own thing. See, it's, comedy is not like acting. It's not a zero-sum game.

Joe Rogan 2:19 Right.

Jimmy Carr 2:19 So you doing your thing, no matter how successful you are, has no impact on my thing. If anything, you pull me up.

Joe Rogan 2:26 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 2:26 So comedy becomes like a bigger thing. If someone does fantastically and they're playing hockey arenas, then more people are pulled up through the clubs and the theaters into the arenas.

Joe Rogan 2:37 Sure.

Jimmy Carr 2:37 It feels like, it feels like we're living in a golden age for comedy. It feels to me like this is what it m- must have felt like to work in, uh, music or movies in the '70s.

Joe Rogan 2:47 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 2:48 It's like, it's, it feels like there's something culturally going on with comedy where it feels like it's got a value that's, people need it. People need to go out and feel like they're part of a community. And I suppose when you think about what we're doing on stage, it is pretty special. We're letting people into our minds, and we go into their bodies.

Joe Rogan 3:09 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 3:09 We're possessing them. We change their physical state. It's extraordinary.

Joe Rogan 3:13 It is extraordinary. It really is like a drug. You're giving people a happy drug.

Jimmy Carr 3:16 Well, it's two dr- I mean, it's-

Joe Rogan 3:17 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 3:17 ... it's the endorphin 'cause you don't quite know when the punch is coming.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 3:21 And then the serotonin of laughter.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 3:23 And the live experience as well, it's like, the live experience is so incredible for comedy, even as opposed to music because what do you get when you go out to a comedy club? Well, you'll laugh 30 times more than watching the footage.

Joe Rogan 3:38 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 3:38 And really, and, and props to Netflix. Netflix have been part of the reason comedy's having this golden age, but you go watching something on screen is like, that's how you find out what you wanna go and see live.

Joe Rogan 3:49 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 3:49 Because-

Joe Rogan 3:49 And live is so much better.

Jimmy Carr 3:50 A- and, because physically, it, it gets you in a different way, and you see people kinda coming, uh, their body language changes, their whole... And they get into this kind of, this state with the performer.

Joe Rogan 4:00 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 4:00 They breathe with the performer. They, they kinda, they roll with it, and it's, it's so immersive. And you don't remember a word of what the comedian said-

Joe Rogan 4:08 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 4:08 ... but you remember how they made you feel.

Joe Rogan 4:10 Yeah, there's also the shared experience of being there with other people that really feels good for people, and you're laughing with a bunch of people.

Jimmy Carr 4:16 Well, especially in a world where the individual has become sacrosanct and the tribe has been left to the side-

Joe Rogan 4:23 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 4:23 ... and people wanna feel a bit tribal. They wanna feel like they're part of something. Why do people wanna go to music festivals and South by Southwest and-

Joe Rogan 4:29 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 4:29 ... Glastonbury, and they wanna go and see a comedy show? They wanna be in a room with 1,000 people that all have the same sense of humor-

Joe Rogan 4:35 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 4:35 ... and feel a bit bonded?

Joe Rogan 4:36 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 4:36 It's nice.

Joe Rogan 4:37 For sure. Yeah, there's that, and there's also, with our art form, it's uniquely coming from one person. We're, it's, uh, unless you're a singer-songwriter, there's really not, or an author, those are like probably the only other people. Any other mass form of entertainment that you're seeing, you're seeing a, a lot of different people collaborating, which is good, like in a film. You, you have to have that. But there's something about an individual's perspective and someone going, "What the fuck is this?"

Jimmy Carr 5:08 Well, it's-

Joe Rogan 5:09 And, you know?

Jimmy Carr 5:09 ... I mean, for me, that thing of, you know, standup is naturally progressive. For me, it's like standup is about, um, there's an Overton window about what... You know, the, that theory of the Overton window-

Joe Rogan 5:20 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 5:20 ... what is and what isn't acceptable to talk about publicly.

Joe Rogan 5:23 Right.

Jimmy Carr 5:23 And comedy is always pushing the edge of that.

Joe Rogan 5:26 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 5:26 Not just edgy comedy. I do quite edgy stuff. It's not about being edgy particularly. Even, uh, someone doing observational stuff, Seinfeld saying, "The world is crazy. Nothing makes any sense. This is ridiculous." He says the thing, and it pushes, or someone talking about their relationships and their kids, it pushes what's acceptable to talk about in everyday life further.

Joe Rogan 5:45 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 5:45 And it, it expands that window. And so we have more open, meaningful conversations. Like you go and see a comedy show, you have a much more interesting chat afterwards.

Joe Rogan 5:54 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 5:54 You go, you go to comedy on a date night, it becomes like a more interesting conversation because something the guy said sparks something. It pushes that, it pushes the conversation-... it's naturally progressive.

Joe Rogan 6:04 Yeah. It is. And, uh, and also, in this day and age, it's one of the rare places where you can hear people speak freely about controversial subjects. And in my club, we lock up the phones so people don't... They're not self-conscious, and they're also not distracted, and then you don't have to worry about people filming-

Jimmy Carr 6:20 B- but that thing of like-

Joe Rogan 6:20 ... clips.

Jimmy Carr 6:21 I- i- it is weird, isn't it? The locking up the phones is such an interesting point because that's what people want.

Joe Rogan 6:27 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 6:28 They want that boundary of going, "I'm in a live-"

Joe Rogan 6:30 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 6:31 Like, there's lots of people that would... You, you would watch your favorite show. You'd watch, I don't know, wha- whatever you, you, you like, like Game of Thrones or an MMA fight or whatever. And if you have your phone near you, there's a temptation to check the news and refresh and refresh-

Joe Rogan 6:44 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 6:44 ... and see what's going on and to ruin the experience for yourself. But somehow, being out in public, like, you, you, you're aware. Like, it's, it's performative being in a crowd. Like, we're not the only ones performing at a comedy club or in, in a theater. The audience are performing. People... "How are you doing?" Like, you ask an audience, "How are you doing?" And they go, "Yay."

Joe Rogan 7:05 Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 7:05 No one says that one-on-one.

Joe Rogan 7:07 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 7:07 No one's ever s- "Hey, how you doing, Joe?" "Yeah!"

Joe Rogan 7:10 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 7:10 You sound psychotic.

Joe Rogan 7:12 Right.

Jimmy Carr 7:12 But in an audience, it's entirely acceptable to-

Joe Rogan 7:15 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 7:15 ... to be that person, to dance and to clap along. You'd look strange listening to a band play live and just standing and listening, like-

Joe Rogan 7:25 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 7:25 ... and not dancing in the crowd.

Joe Rogan 7:26 Right.

Jimmy Carr 7:27 And that thing about going, "Well, this is..." It's performative being in the audience. Don't think you're the only one performing. They're all with you. They're all... That, the, the, the laughter is... You're partly... You're signaling. It doesn't mean that it's fake laughter, but you're signaling to other people that you got it, and you're applauding when you kind of agree a little bit.

Joe Rogan 7:44 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 7:45 And it's, it, there's a, there's a rhythm to it. Being in an audience is a performance, and it's so fun to do.

Joe Rogan 7:51 Yeah, it is. It's my favorite thing to watch still, after all these years. I love wa- I watched Christina Pazsitzky last night. It was awesome.

Jimmy Carr 7:57 Was it fantastic?

Joe Rogan 7:58 Oh, she's so funny. But it just f- it's fun. It's fun to laugh. It's fun to see someone's writing and see, like, where they're going with ideas. And...

Jimmy Carr 8:06 And it's t- it's, it's also, it's the same and totally different. It's-

Joe Rogan 8:10 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 8:11 It's a guy on stage with a mic, girl on stage with a mic, and it just, "Uh, wha- what, what's he doing with this?"

Joe Rogan 8:17 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 8:17 It's a totally different thing. It's t- you know, that self-authored thing. I mean, my... The thing I'm working on at the moment, I'm slightly jealous of the club, I'll be honest. I sort of saw the club last night, I'm like, "This is quite something to do, to set up a club and to have that community," and it's great. And I think that... I'm try- I'm working at the moment on a, I don't know whether it's a book or whether it's a... I think it might be like an online course, but a comedy course. Because-

Joe Rogan 8:44 On how to do standup?

Jimmy Carr 8:46 How to write jokes.

Joe Rogan 8:47 Wow.

Jimmy Carr 8:47 How to be a standup. I think-

Joe Rogan 8:49 That's great.

Jimmy Carr 8:49 ... I think... Here's my vision for it. I think we're going through a golden period, but maybe it's just beginning. Comedy is quite a new medium anyway.

Joe Rogan 8:57 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 8:58 We get to be the Beatles and The Rolling Stones, or certainly someone in our generation does.

Joe Rogan 9:01 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 9:02 You know, if you think about it, like, George Carlin and, and, uh, uh, Richard Pryor were John the Baptist-

Joe Rogan 9:08 Mmm.

Jimmy Carr 9:08 ... where someone's coming through. It's like that thing of, like, it feels like it's, it's getting bigger and bigger. My vision is, it gets taught in schools.

Joe Rogan 9:17 Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 9:17 So, we teach, we teach music, and we teach drama and art. And I think standup comedy is an art form, and I think we need to get less, less magical thinking and more, "Okay, let's put down a language." Like music, you can write it.

Joe Rogan 9:32 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 9:32 Let's come up with the... I mean, I, I've kind of... I'm working on, like, 50 joke types, but let's come up with a, a way of analyzing this and teach people how to do it. Because what does it give you? Like, if your kid does standup comedy, okay, well, it's... They have to find their voice. Uh, they have to look at things in a, in a, from a different angle, a different perspective. It's about pattern recognition. These are all transferable skills.

Joe Rogan 9:56 Mmm.

Jimmy Carr 9:57 And it's about finding your voice. The reason every standup is interesting to watch is because it's individual voices.

Joe Rogan 10:02 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 10:02 And really, what's growing up about? What's school about? Finding your voice.

Joe Rogan 10:06 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 10:06 Finding out what you're about, finding out who you are. Like, I don't think it's a dumb idea to teach standup comedy and to say, "Well, everyone should give this a go."

Joe Rogan 10:15 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 10:15 'Cause even people that have done... I k- I've got a couple of people that w- come see me live or whatever that tell me, "Oh, I did, like, four or five gigs 10 years ago."

Joe Rogan 10:23 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 10:23 But they enjoy standup comedy more than the average person. It's like someone who's... Can play a little bit of guitar-

Joe Rogan 10:29 Right.

Jimmy Carr 10:30 ... goes and sees and goes, "Well, this is..."

Joe Rogan 10:33 Right.

Jimmy Carr 10:33 And they, they have an inkling of how good it is.

Joe Rogan 10:35 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 10:36 Someone that does a little bit of jujitsu, I imagine, goes and sees an MMA fight and goes-

Joe Rogan 10:40 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 10:40 ... "He's good."

Joe Rogan 10:41 Yeah, yeah.

Jimmy Carr 10:41 They've got, they've got, like, some idea. It's like that... They, they've gone from unconscious incompetence to conscious incompetence.

Joe Rogan 10:49 Hmm. Yeah. We've actually talked many times about putting together a course, and we've thought about doing it maybe at the club. And, you know, just having professional comics that are on their way up, that are just starting, and having, like, a workshop where we could talk to them about material, about the importance of editing, about getting to the point quickly, uh, you know, and, and how to, how-

Jimmy Carr 11:15 I, I think it would be great because how many comics do we know, guys that do this for a living and are doing great, that, that do have magical thinking?

Joe Rogan 11:23 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 11:23 "Well, it just comes to me."

Joe Rogan 11:25 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 11:25 "And I need to do this to make it happen." Like, understanding how to write music has never damaged anyone's creativity. So, I think the idea of, like, analyzing it and treating it like a job, and how do you sit down and write? And some people go, "Well, I don't sit down and write. It just, it just occurs to me." And you go, "Uh, well, okay." But, like, it's that... There's a great...... quote by Chuck Close. You know the artist Chuck Close?

Joe Rogan 11:48 No.

Jimmy Carr 11:48 He's a b- a great artist, like pointillist, and he said, uh, "Inspiration is for amateurs, the rest of us just go to work."

Joe Rogan 11:54 Hmm. Yeah. That's similar to Steven Pressfield's work, you know, uh, The War of Art.

Jimmy Carr 12:01 Oh, I love that book.

Joe Rogan 12:02 Yeah, fantastic book.

Jimmy Carr 12:03 It's really something, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 12:04 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 12:04 But I think, I think, it's, I'm onto something here because I think a lot of people wanna do something creative with their lives. I think a lot of people wanna-

Joe Rogan 12:10 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 12:11 ... uh, they, they like stand-up comedy. It's, it's becoming a bigger thing. I think more people will wanna try it. And just giving them the, the kind of, the, the instruction manual early on.

Joe Rogan 12:20 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 12:20 So, 'cause, 'cause then what they're having to do is what, what we did, you watch a lot of comedy and then you kinda reverse engineer what you hear people do. So you watch the greats, you watch Steven Wright and Emo Philips and Rita Rudner and Wanda Sykes and whatever you're looking at, and you go, "Oh, okay. So they, they must have had the punchline first and then they must have, if they were doing that wordplay, that's how that-"

Joe Rogan 12:43 Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 12:43 "... that's probably how they did it. Okay." So you take the, you can take all the structure, you can steal the structure, and then come up with your own content. It's a great-

Joe Rogan 12:52 Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 12:52 ... kind of, you know?

Joe Rogan 12:53 Yeah. Well, that's what a lot of people do in the beginning, right? They like, they make jokes that are similar to a joke that someone that they enjoy would write-

Jimmy Carr 13:02 Yes.

Joe Rogan 13:02 ... you know, like say if-

Jimmy Carr 13:03 It's in their voice.

Joe Rogan 13:03 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 13:03 It's in there. They find themselves kind of doing... And then there's different ages in comedy where certain people kinda come through and have a real effect on how everyone's performing.

Joe Rogan 13:12 Like David Tell.

Jimmy Carr 13:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:14 P- Patrice O'Neal used to always, uh, used to talk about how many babies, uh, he had.

Jimmy Carr 13:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:18 Like, and that so many comics copied his voice.

Jimmy Carr 13:21 I mean-

Joe Rogan 13:21 And David Tell is, like, probably one of the bigger ones.

Jimmy Carr 13:23 Well, I think he's, he's been incredibly influential. It feels like there's, he's got the props later on, but I mean, it, it kind of... I still-

Joe Rogan 13:34 He's the worst at promoting of any k- him-

Jimmy Carr 13:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 13:37 There's two brilliant comedians that are fucking terrible at promoting and because of that, they don't get the credit they deserve. Colin Quinn and David Tell, those, those are, in my opinion, those are the two that should be selling out arenas. And f-

Jimmy Carr 13:49 Yeah. I mean, Co- Colin Quinn's solo shows, uh, all, I think, there's, is there three or four now? The, um, the s-

Joe Rogan 13:55 He just did one at the Club a couple weeks ago and the whole staff, everyone, the comics, the staff, everyone was raving-

Jimmy Carr 14:03 He's-

Joe Rogan 14:03 ... about how brilliant his writing was, the timing, his, they said he put on a master class.

Jimmy Carr 14:08 It's almost like everything he says is in that comedic tone.

Joe Rogan 14:11 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 14:11 He's been incredibly influential. He's, uh, yeah, I mean, I think he shows are fabulous. And then, uh, you know, a Tell, it feels like there's, you haven't put out enough material. I'm kind of-

Joe Rogan 14:20 Right.

Jimmy Carr 14:20 ... almost like, I don't wanna be morbid here, but David Tell's not gonna live forever. And at some stage you go, there's not enough... I mean, there's Shanks for the Memories-

Joe Rogan 14:28 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 14:28 ... which is great, and there's lots of, kind of, appearances here and there, but they, it feel like I want more.

Joe Rogan 14:34 Yes. Well, it's-

Jimmy Carr 14:35 I mean, I love Bumping Mics. I thought Bumping Mics-

Joe Rogan 14:37 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 14:37 ... was like-

Joe Rogan 14:38 It's great.

Jimmy Carr 14:38 I mean, that's another great, like, you know, Netflix, hats off-

Joe Rogan 14:41 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 14:41 ... you know, to give Jeff Ross and, and, and Dave, like, to make it kind of feel like it was in three parts and it felt like, it felt like a visit to New York.

Joe Rogan 14:48 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 14:48 It felt really... And those shows, whenever there's a festival and those guys come and play, it feels like, "Oh, well, that's the late night hang."

Joe Rogan 14:55 Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. It's, and it's so improvisational and they're both so good off the cuff. But it's, it's-

Jimmy Carr 15:01 Magnificent.

Joe Rogan 15:02 I think what Dave enjoys is just the work. I mean, when you talk to him, he gets up in the morning, or whatever he gets up, he goes to the coffee shop, smokes a cigarette, drinks coffee, and starts writing.

Jimmy Carr 15:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 15:14 Goes over the news, finds out what's going on. When he goes into a town, like say he's in Cleveland, "What's going on in Cleveland? Oh, there's a scandal with the mayor. Oh, okay. There's something going on with the roads. Oh, okay." And then he starts writing things about it. "The team sucks. Oh, let's write about that."

Jimmy Carr 15:28 But this is, this is the, the life, right? It's the-

Joe Rogan 15:30 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 15:31 I, I don't know. I mean, maybe he's as successful as he needs to be because really what's this about?

Joe Rogan 15:36 Right.

Jimmy Carr 15:36 It's, it's ab- it's quite stoic, I think. I'm, I've become quite the stoic on... I like going, "Well, I... The world ordered a stand-up comedian, I need to honor that."

Joe Rogan 15:45 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 15:45 I'm a stand-up, so anything that's not writing jokes or performing jokes is not doing the thing.

Joe Rogan 15:51 Right.

Jimmy Carr 15:51 And the thing is all I care about.

Joe Rogan 15:54 I would add to that, that it's good to experience life too. And then I think one of the things that accentuates life is accentuating your perspective on things, and that comes from experiences. And it, there's one, one problem that some comics have where they just perform and travel all the time, and a lot of their jokes-

Jimmy Carr 16:11 Airplane material.

Joe Rogan 16:12 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 16:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:13 You know, it revolves around what they know.

Jimmy Carr 16:15 It's, it's hard, that work-life balance is very tricky. I've just, I've had kids quite late in life and work-life balance is hard, you know. You know, uh, it's, it's difficult. Being a comedian, here's the, here's the first world problem I have, um, uh, you know, work i- is, is more fun than fun.

Joe Rogan 16:31 (laughs) Yeah. That's true.

Jimmy Carr 16:32 It's more fun than fun.

Joe Rogan 16:33 More fun than any vacation.

Jimmy Carr 16:34 What are you, what are you doing on a, on a, on a, you know, night out?

Joe Rogan 16:36 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 16:37 "No, we went and had dinner."

Joe Rogan 16:38 Right.

Jimmy Carr 16:38 You go, "Okay. Did a thousand people clap-"

Joe Rogan 16:41 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 16:41 "... when you walked in the restaurant?" No. No, they didn't.

Joe Rogan 16:44 Right. Then they howl laughing.

Jimmy Carr 16:44 "Did you get a standing ovation as you left-"

Joe Rogan 16:46 Right.

Jimmy Carr 16:46 "... the restaurant?" "Well, no I didn't."

Joe Rogan 16:48 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 16:48 "And I thought I did very well at dinner."

Joe Rogan 16:50 I have often thought of how many people live from the cradle to the grave and never kill, and what, what, what a sad thing that is to never experience that, just, just drawing an audience for an hour.

Jimmy Carr 17:00 Well, here's, here's the, here's the depressing thought. Some people live and die and they never hear their own voice.

Joe Rogan 17:07 Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 17:09 So maybe teaching stand-up comedy, I, I kinda think that might be the next thing. I'm 50 now. I feel like it's, that might be the next thing of, like, going... And I, I'm kinda looking for things that will make me feel like an imposter.

Joe Rogan 17:21 Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 17:22 I wanna feel like an imposter. I want imposter syndrome.

Joe Rogan 17:25 Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 17:25 I like it. And I feel very comfortable in a theater stage now playing to 2,000 people. Great. I wanna play arenas so I don't feel as comfortable, and I wanna-

Joe Rogan 17:34 Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 17:34 ... I wanna kind of become a bit of a teacher because I think becoming a teacher, I think I'll go, "I'm not, I'm not good enough to, to teach anyo- I can't wind your neck in, you're being presumptuous."

Joe Rogan 17:43 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 17:44 I think that's a good feeling to chase.

Joe Rogan 17:45 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 17:46 Because imposter syndrome a-... y- it is like, it's the most normal thing in the world. As you level up through life, you should always feel like-

Joe Rogan 17:52 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 17:52 ... a bit of an imposter.

Joe Rogan 17:53 I've talked to virtually every great comic, and they all have had that.

Jimmy Carr 17:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:58 They all have had those, that moment in their life, they're like, when the people are clapping, and they're introducing their name, and everybody goes crazy, like, "Ugh. Why are they clapping?"

Jimmy Carr 18:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:06 "What the fuck is ... Some fraud." (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 18:08 I us- I used to open with that, like, on the, in theaters. "Let's manage our expectations, people."

Joe Rogan 18:12 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 18:12 "Let's ..."

Joe Rogan 18:14 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 18:14 It's like, it's a terrible thing when you get, like, when the applause is louder when you, when you walk on than when you walk off.

Joe Rogan 18:19 Mm. Oh, yes.

Jimmy Carr 18:20 Like, and we've all had-

Joe Rogan 18:21 Yes, yeah.

Jimmy Carr 18:21 ... like, "Ah, okay. You were excited to see me, but, ah, the show wasn't ready yet."

Joe Rogan 18:24 Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's always that. It's also, there's, uh, an incredible lack of documentation about the process of standup comedy. And it's one of the great things about podcasts is that it ha- it has served as, uh, an archive. Li- where you can ... I mean, I've had dozens and dozens of conversations with great comics, where I ask them about their process and what they do-

Jimmy Carr 18:48 It, it is. I mean, partly, that's the thing driving it. I mean, I think the, the podcast thing has taken off. And it turns out talking about comedy and the process is interesting.

Joe Rogan 18:57 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 18:57 I mean, I think there's breadcrumbs there. Like, Steve Martin's book, Born Standing Up.

Joe Rogan 19:01 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 19:01 I think that's the ... And if, if anyone's interested in the secrets of comedy, they're out there, and it's about 10.99 in all good bookshops. Uh, but it's that thing of, like, going, decoding that and making that kind of a ... Yeah, coming up with a language.

Joe Rogan 19:14 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 19:14 Coming up with a, with something that you could go give a 14-year-old, and they could, you know, write their own jokes and ... I mean, they might not do it as a career, but it might be a fun, a fun, a fun hobby to have. At the moment, comedy feels like it's for the professionals.

Joe Rogan 19:27 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 19:27 And there's no amateur circuit. But like music and sports, you've got professionals, okay. You've got the, you've got the, the, the, the greats, and then you've got people that just do it for fun.

Joe Rogan 19:38 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 19:38 Why not have that going on? Why not have more comedians, more comedy clubs?

Joe Rogan 19:42 Yeah. Well, uh, it, one of the things that we set up at our club is two nights of open mic nights. So, we have open mic night on Sunday and open mic night on Monday. And then, we have the staff of the club, our, the w- all the door people, are all professional comedians-

Jimmy Carr 19:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 19:56 ... who audition for that job with their act. So, they are people that a- aspire to be professionals-

Jimmy Carr 20:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:03 ... and this is sort of like an apprenticeship.

Jimmy Carr 20:04 I met a couple of them last night. I mean, it , kinda great, that thing of, uh-

Joe Rogan 20:08 It's great.

Jimmy Carr 20:08 Yeah. It's just, it's ... But the whole vibe of the place then is it's, it's in, y- you know, everyone is in service.

Joe Rogan 20:14 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 20:14 Of this night-

Joe Rogan 20:15 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 20:15 ... of this thing-

Joe Rogan 20:16 This thing, yeah.

Jimmy Carr 20:17 ... of a theatrical performance.

Joe Rogan 20:19 But it's the only art form that is consumed all over the world, loved by everyone, cherished by people, but does not have a direct professional path in order to be successful. There's not, it's not like music. You learn how to play a guitar. You can take, uh, you know, online classes. You could figure out how to compose music. You can get together with bands and practice and put it together. It, they, there's a path. With standup comedy, it's just go up and figure it out.

Jimmy Carr 20:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:49 Go up and figure it out. And the, and it's very clunky, and it's a, a l- lot of wasted time. And I think a l- a lot of that time can be sort of repurposed, if we can give people more clear guidelines.

Jimmy Carr 21:03 I think-

Joe Rogan 21:03 There's no way anyone can tell you how to do your style, 'cause your style is going to be different than Tony Hinchcliffe's style, which is gonna be different than Dave Chappelle's style. Everybody's style an- and who they are and what they present-

Jimmy Carr 21:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 21:16 ... their, their view of the world-

Jimmy Carr 21:16 I think comedians, comedians leak is always my kinda theory. Only like, you can't watch someone for an hour and not knew, know who they are.

Joe Rogan 21:22 Yeah, for sure.

Jimmy Carr 21:23 Even if, like ... I mean, I'm joke to joke. I'm, I'm just joke to joke on stage.

Joe Rogan 21:27 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 21:27 And yet, people know when I'm telling the truth and when I'm bullshitting and when it's real and when it's not real.

Joe Rogan 21:32 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 21:32 People get a real sense of you through your act.

Joe Rogan 21:34 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 21:34 Through watching you. Do you, do you travel round the world much? Do you do-

Joe Rogan 21:37 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 21:38 ... much overseas? So, uh-

Joe Rogan 21:39 Yeah. I haven't been lately, but I did the O2 Arena, uh, a few months back. Actually, a year ago.

Jimmy Carr 21:44 Nice.

Joe Rogan 21:44 Did it in October last year. Yeah. It's not just for fun.

Jimmy Carr 21:47 And did you get ... 'Cause I mean, I'm, I'm like, I think I'm 40 countries in now.

Joe Rogan 21:51 Mm.

Jimmy Carr 21:51 I'm going, and you go, "What's happened the last 10 years," uh, like, the English language has become bigger. And the English language was big to begin with. But things like YouTube and Netflix has meant ... 'Cause there used to be a thing in certain countries where they would dub every movie and every TV show into the local language. And they would get it a little bit later, and it wouldn't matter, and the local actors would do the voice, and the show would be a hit. Great. That's all gone now. In the age of kinda global, you know, interconnectivity, people know, "Well, Game of Thrones was on last night, and the, the, the new specials by Joe is out this evening." So, they watch it sort of straightaway-

Joe Rogan 22:29 Right.

Jimmy Carr 22:29 ... and they watch everything in English. YouTube doesn't bother translating things.

Joe Rogan 22:33 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 22:34 So, everyone's English has kinda gone up a gear. So, you can go to quite obscure places, and everyone wants to come out and see standup comedy, and they all know who you are.

Joe Rogan 22:42 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 22:42 And they're all listening. It's kind of ... It's an amazing way to see the world.

Joe Rogan 22:47 It is. It is an amazing way to see the world. And it is interesting how comedy translates into these other places and how they, how they absorb comedy. It's very different. Like, I, I took Tony to Stockholm. We did, uh, Sweden.

Jimmy Carr 23:01 I love Stockholm.

Joe Rogan 23:01 It was great. It was great.

Jimmy Carr 23:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:02 But he was like, "Dude, I feel like I bombed." And I go, "You, you did really well. Why?" He goes, " 'Cause there was like, they were quiet in between the jokes." I was like, "That's interesting."

Jimmy Carr 23:12 Yeah, you go to some places though, and it's like, I remember playing at like places in-

Joe Rogan 23:14 They laugh and stop laughing.

Jimmy Carr 23:15 ... like Finland, Denmark, Sweden.

Joe Rogan 23:16 Laugh, stop laughing. Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 23:17 And then, at the end of the show-

Joe Rogan 23:19 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 23:19 ... nuts.

Joe Rogan 23:19 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 23:20 Because it's like, it's more like a theatrical performance is, is the thing-

Joe Rogan 23:23 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 23:23 ... that they've seen before.

Joe Rogan 23:24 Yes. Yes. I'm like, "They laughed at all your jokes." He's like, "Yeah, I know. But it just, like, felt like it was disjointed." I go, "You're just used to these rowdy American crowds that, like, there's always noise going on." I go-

Jimmy Carr 23:38 What you're used, if you're used to playing the clubs as well-

Joe Rogan 23:40 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 23:40 ... I, you know, I play mainly theaters. So, if I go into a club, I'm very distraught. "What, why are they serving drinks-

Joe Rogan 23:46 Right.

Jimmy Carr 23:47 ... during a set? This is ... What's going on?"

Joe Rogan 23:49 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 23:49 "What's happening here?"

Joe Rogan 23:50 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 23:50 But of course, because you're not in that field.

Joe Rogan 23:52 Right.

Jimmy Carr 23:52 There're certain countries where you'll get a standing ovation, like Canada, America, Australia. Love a standing ovation. They're getting up to leave anyway. They might as well.

Joe Rogan 24:00 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 24:00 The UK ...... that the risen Christ could come on stage and they'd go, "Yeah, I don't, I don't think-"

Joe Rogan 24:05 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 24:07 "... well done." It's like that's just not the thing.

Joe Rogan 24:09 Why is that?

Jimmy Carr 24:09 Or maybe it's me.

Joe Rogan 24:10 My friends from the UK that have come to America, one of the things that they've all sort of said is that in the UK, they kind of want you to not do well. And whereas in America, they sort of celebrate you succeeding.

Jimmy Carr 24:23 I think culturally if you think about what America is about, it's, you know, it, it really ... I suppose it dares to dream.

Joe Rogan 24:31 Mm.

Jimmy Carr 24:31 It's, it's ... There's a bit of a tall poppy syndrome in the UK-

Joe Rogan 24:34 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 24:34 ... where if people do too well, it's like, "Well, let's cut him down to size."

Joe Rogan 24:37 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 24:37 Whereas America is, is for, you know, dreamers and they're gonna do something and they're gonna ... It's exciting.

Joe Rogan 24:42 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 24:43 It's like, I mean, Austin's got a real feel at the moment for, you know, that the- every city whispers to you.

Joe Rogan 24:49 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 24:49 So Los Angeles says, "Be more famous," and New York says, "Make more money," and Austin seems to be saying, "Be creative and weird and-"

Joe Rogan 24:56 They're happy we're here too. That's what's really cool. It's like they've embraced it 'cause, you know, a scene moved into a city. Where there's, there's 15 world-class comedians that live here now that didn't live here-

Jimmy Carr 25:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:10 ... three years ago.

Jimmy Carr 25:11 Was, was Ron White the first?

Joe Rogan 25:13 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 25:13 Yeah. Ro- Ron White's a guy that means nothing in the UK. Like he's not famous in the UK. I can't see why. He's-

Joe Rogan 25:20 He's-

Jimmy Carr 25:20 ... so good.

Joe Rogan 25:21 ... so good. He's so good.

Jimmy Carr 25:22 So good.

Joe Rogan 25:22 And he's retired except for my club. So he's at the club all the time.

Jimmy Carr 25:27 What, have you got Polaroids of him? What have you got on him?

Joe Rogan 25:29 No. He loves me. (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 25:30 That poor man's trying to retire and you keep on dragging him back.

Joe Rogan 25:32 He doesn't really wanna retire. He just wants to not travel anymore. And I said, "Ron, you don't have to travel. You can w- you can get a new crowd every night of the week. Any time you want, you can go up." And so he'll just text me, you know, "Hey, you doing a show tonight?" I'm like, "Fuck yeah. Are you coming?" He's like, "Fuck yeah." And then he comes down and he's doing acid and it's fucking ... He's an animal.

Jimmy Carr 25:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:54 He's so fun and he's so good. And it's like for him, it's taken all the negativity out of standup comedy, which is the travel and the weariness. He just leaves his house, drives 15 minutes, he's at the club, does a set, hangs out, we all party and laugh and have fun, and then he leaves. And so he's there three, four nights a week sometimes.

Jimmy Carr 26:15 That's fantastic.

Joe Rogan 26:16 Oh, it's so much fun.

Jimmy Carr 26:17 I like the travel, I've gotta say. I like the ... I like everything about ... No, I think that thing when you, when you have a job, when you're living your dream, you're doing what you wanna do in life-

Joe Rogan 26:25 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 26:25 ... I think you, it's, it, it's on you to enjoy all of it.

Joe Rogan 26:28 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 26:29 So the airport lounges and the delays-

Joe Rogan 26:31 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 26:31 ... and the, you know, early mornings or whatever, or the flights, the whole thing, you have to embrace it all.

Joe Rogan 26:35 Good for you. I'm glad you take that perspective. That's very healthy. Yeah, that's what-

Jimmy Carr 26:38 Well, I think it's-

Joe Rogan 26:39 ... everybody should take.

Jimmy Carr 26:40 But it's that thing, isn't it, where the, you know, that thing in life, disposition is more important than position.

Joe Rogan 26:44 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 26:44 You know, how you-

Joe Rogan 26:45 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 26:45 ... are in your head. We all know billionaires that are miserable-

Joe Rogan 26:48 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 26:48 ... and, and people sweeping the streets very happy.

Joe Rogan 26:51 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 26:51 And it's that thing of like disposition and the ... It, it seems to be, I know it's trite, but it seems to be the thing is gratitude.

Joe Rogan 26:58 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 26:58 If you ... Gratitude is the cure for resentment.

Joe Rogan 27:01 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 27:01 And there's so much resentment around.

Joe Rogan 27:03 It's such a maligned word because it gets attached to woo-woo bullshit and people wear wooden beads and, you know, it, it gets attached to posing, you know? But I think it's-

Jimmy Carr 27:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:14 ... it's real.

Jimmy Carr 27:14 I think gratitude as well is like i- people imagine it's about the, the thing and not the ... Like, the environment-

Joe Rogan 27:21 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 27:22 ... is the thing we should be grateful for.

Joe Rogan 27:23 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 27:23 Like that we live in this time. You know that Steven Pinker Enlightenment Now book?

Joe Rogan 27:28 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 27:28 Where you sort of go, well now.

Joe Rogan 27:30 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 27:30 Now there's like ... I had a hot shower this morning. No one b- ... Before 1930, no one had had one.

Joe Rogan 27:36 Right.

Jimmy Carr 27:36 People didn't know what hot showers were. They washed once a week in cold water.

Joe Rogan 27:39 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 27:39 Good luck, everyone.

Joe Rogan 27:41 I wanna know-

Jimmy Carr 27:41 And everyone smelled disgusting. Like, the world that we live in now is so fucking great.

Joe Rogan 27:45 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 27:46 And, and, and w-

Joe Rogan 27:47 We just don't appreciate it 'cause we're so accustomed to it.

Jimmy Carr 27:49 Well, it's that, um ... What do they call that? It's, um, the hedonic treadmill. You get used to the good things really quickly.

Joe Rogan 27:56 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 27:57 A- a- and so you're searching for more. But the, you look around, it's just, it's an extraordinary world of ... The idea that like comedy is a thing at the moment. Imagine if we'd been born in the 1940s where you g- uh, not really-

Joe Rogan 28:09 We don't have that.

Jimmy Carr 28:09 ... comedy's not really ...

Joe Rogan 28:10 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 28:10 I guess we could have gone on before the band and said something-

Joe Rogan 28:13 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 28:13 ... but it wasn't quite ... Like the people that started ... Who were the first people in America-

Joe Rogan 28:16 Lenny Bruce.

Jimmy Carr 28:18 L- Lenny Bruce. But Lenny Bruce-

Joe Rogan 28:19 He was really the first to do-

Jimmy Carr 28:20 Play in theaters.

Joe Rogan 28:20 ... our style of comedy. Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 28:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:22 But it was our style of comedy where he's just talking about life. Everybody before that was like, "Two Jews walked into a bar. They buy it."

Jimmy Carr 28:30 Yes.

Joe Rogan 28:30 You know? It was like set up punchline, ta-dum-thump.

Jimmy Carr 28:33 I mean, I st- I do old f- I mean, it's very old-timey really in a sense 'cause I do jokes. So they stand and fall. It's very high-wire.

Joe Rogan 28:40 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 28:40 It's either this is ... It's binary. This is funny or not. There's no story behind it that you can ... I mean, sometimes I do longer form, but really it's quite like old school jokes. But yeah, Lenny Bruce, George Carlin-

Joe Rogan 28:50 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 28:50 ... like people that started playing theaters and clubs-

Joe Rogan 28:54 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 28:54 ... and like to draw a crowd. So you weren't just acting to be comical.

Joe Rogan 28:56 And then Pryor was the first one to really do it well.

Jimmy Carr 29:00 Pry- I never think Dick Gregory gets enough-

Joe Rogan 29:03 He doesn't. He doesn't get enough props.

Jimmy Carr 29:04 ... props. People don't talk about it. People don't talk about what he did and part of the struggle and-

Joe Rogan 29:07 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 29:07 ... he's incredible as a figure.

Joe Rogan 29:08 Well, you know, he's also the one that exposed the Kennedy assassination.

Jimmy Carr 29:13 No, I didn't know that.

Joe Rogan 29:14 Dick Gregory went on the Geraldo Rivera show 12 years after-

Jimmy Carr 29:17 Who has-

Joe Rogan 29:18 ... Kennedy was assassinated.

Jimmy Carr 29:19 Who had conspiracy theories 35 minutes in? Who has?

Joe Rogan 29:21 Uh, I have it, uh, fucking every 20 minutes-

Jimmy Carr 29:24 Wait a second.

Joe Rogan 29:24 ... because it pops up like magic.

Jimmy Carr 29:25 So hang on. So 'cause I know, I know he was, you know, had a big part in the civil rights movement-

Joe Rogan 29:29 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 29:30 ... and was incredibly brave. I-

Joe Rogan 29:33 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 29:33 He's kind of due a great documentary, like a proper-

Joe Rogan 29:36 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 29:36 ... uh, Judd Apatow, three-hour Dick Gregory, here's everything you need to know documentary.

Joe Rogan 29:41 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 29:41 I would love that.

Joe Rogan 29:43 Yeah. I would love a documentary on him as well. We, we, we've sang his praises many, many times.

Jimmy Carr 29:48 Showtime put one out two years ago.

Joe Rogan 29:49 Oh, they did?

Jimmy Carr 29:50 Okay.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Oh, The One and Only Dick Gregory, 2021.

Jimmy Carr 29:53 Wait a second, Showtime have a time machine and they used it ... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 29:56 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 29:56 They used it to steal this idea?

Joe Rogan 29:58 I think so.

Jimmy Carr 29:58 Motherfuckers.

Joe Rogan 30:00 I mean, he was fantastic during the Vietnam War. He was fantastic during the Civil Rights Movement.

Jimmy Carr 30:04 So, ga- ga- get back to the Kennedy thing. So, he-

Joe Rogan 30:05 So, he went on the Geraldo Rivera Show in 1975. And so, this is twel-

Jimmy Carr 30:11 How old is Geraldo?

Joe Rogan 30:12 He's old as fuck.

Jimmy Carr 30:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:13 So, but he looked good back then, he looks pretty fucking good now. Um, so, he, Dick Gregory went on and he went on with the Zapruder film, and it was the first time the Zapruder film was ever exposed to the public. So, Geraldo Rivera played the Zapruder film and you see Kennedy grabbing his neck where he got shot-

Jimmy Carr 30:30 A- a- a-

Joe Rogan 30:30 ... from the front.

Jimmy Carr 30:31 D- and Dick Gregory brought it on?

Joe Rogan 30:32 Yes, Dick Gregory brought the film to Geraldo-

Jimmy Carr 30:35 That is-

Joe Rogan 30:36 ... and played it.

Jimmy Carr 30:36 And our next guest is a comedian. For a bit of light relief, he's gonna show you-

Joe Rogan 30:40 Yeah. You wanna play it? Here, we'll play it here.

Jimmy Carr 30:41 ... th- this Zapruder f- Zapruder film.

Narrator 30:43 How many concert gigs did you do? How many appearances or talks-

30:46 I don't know exactly when on the video he talks about it-

Jimmy Carr 30:47 Okay.

Narrator 30:47 ... 'cause it's a long, it's a 20-minute video.

Jimmy Carr 30:50 Okay.

Joe Rogan 30:50 Well, s- s- screw ahead there.

Jimmy Carr 30:52 So, he sh- he shows-

Joe Rogan 30:53 So-

Jimmy Carr 30:53 ... the video of Kennedy being shot and then he goes, "And I'm gonna be at The Laugh Factory in Miami Beach on Thursday. Come see me."

Narrator 30:58 Unfortunate net effect of that is, to make more people watch it. Well, I'm telling you right straight out that if you are at all sensitive, uh, if you're at all queasy, uh, then don't watch this film. Just put on the, uh, the late night movie, uh, because this is, uh, very heavy. It's the film shot by the Dallas dress manufacturer, Abraham, uh, Zapruder. And, and it's the execution of President Kennedy. And, uh, Bob and Dick, would you please narrate what we're seeing as we show this film?

31:35 This is, uh, this is commercial footage leading into Dealey Plaza. This is the car on Main Street.

31:43 So, this film was taken by actual newsmen? This was spliced together with the Abraham Zapruder film?

31:49 Yes.

31:50 All right. So, this is the beginning of the motorcade.

31:52 Okay, what you're seeing now is in slow motion so that you can grasp what is happening. Uh, this is a film taken by Marie Muchmore that leads into the Zapruder film. It's for time continuity. The president is waving to the crowd here.

32:06 And Jacqueline Kennedy, of course, is sitting alongside him in the open car.

32:10 Right. This is from Orville Nix's film. This, uh, this is originally eight millimeter footage. And they're heading now toward Elm Street. They're on Houston Street now. They're gonna make a left-hand turn. It's on the corner where they're gonna make the turn there that the Book Depository was. Now, this is the Zapruder film.

32:30 Okay, so the cars are coming along now into Dealey Plaza.

32:33 Yes. Th- these are the lead motorcycles of the motorcade.

32:35 All right. Now, with the President and Mrs. Kennedy is also Governor Connally?

32:39 Right.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Right.

Narrator 32:40 Now, before he goes behind the sign, the president is waving to the crowd. When he comes out from behind the sign, he is shot, then Governor Connally is shot.

32:47 He's already been hit?

32:48 He's already been hit. And now s-

32:50 And now it's just-

32:51 ... at the bottom of the screen, the headshot.

32:54 That's the shot that blew off his head?

32:56 No.

32:56 It's the most horrifying thing I've ever seen in a movie. Unlucky, Mrs. Kennedy.

Jimmy Carr 32:58 It is, I mean, it's genuinely shocking watching it now, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 33:01 Oh, yes. It's genuinely shocking, but it was the first time people saw that his head moves back and to the left, indicating a shot from the front.

Jimmy Carr 33:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:08 And that fell against the narrative that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. There was a ton of eyewitnesses that said that they heard gunshots from the grassy knoll. And then there was also this ridiculous magic bullet that they had to attribute to Lee Harvey Oswald's gun, because it had hit, uh, th- er, one bullet had hit an underpass and ricocheted and hit a person. So, they knew that one of the bullets that got shot missed Kennedy, hit the underpass, hit a curb, and ricocheted and hit this guy, and he got brought to the hospital. So-

Jimmy Carr 33:41 How, how on earth do we not have an answer to this now?

Joe Rogan 33:45 Well-

Jimmy Carr 33:46 It seems-

Joe Rogan 33:46 ... they keep hiding the data. They keep ... They won't release it. In 2017, they were supposed to d- they were due to release it. They s- they wouldn't release it then. It was, uh, again, uh, I believe in 2021 they were supposed to release it. They-

Jimmy Carr 33:59 It's very, it's a very odd ... I mean, conspiracy theories are like, th- they're sort of fascinating because they're simple solutions to complex problems. You know, so, so a lot of them, I kinda go, "Well, you know, I- I'm not sure whether that's, there's any validity in that." It just seems like a, a, a, a, an easy solution to this thing which is incredibly nuanced and complex.

Joe Rogan 34:18 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 34:19 But the Kennedy thing, you go, "Well, how d- it's the president got shot."

Joe Rogan 34:23 Right, but-

Jimmy Carr 34:23 How was there ... How could they have covered this up?

Joe Rogan 34:25 1963. They, there was, I mean, you had n- there was no independent journalism. There was no, uh, YouTube. There was no online commentators that weren't captured by a system. They weren't a part of, uh, an enormous structure like The New York Times or The Washington Post or whatever the fuck it was.

Jimmy Carr 34:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:45 And, uh, the Zapruder film, again, had been archived for 13 years before it was, or 12 years. 12 or 13.

Jimmy Carr 34:53 I didn't re-

Joe Rogan 34:53 It was 12 or 13.

Jimmy Carr 34:53 I didn't realize that. I, I kind of naturally-

Joe Rogan 34:55 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 34:55 ... I assumed, stupidly, that he got shot and the film came out the next week.

Joe Rogan 34:59 No. No, it didn't.

Jimmy Carr 35:00 12 years? I mean, that's-

Joe Rogan 35:01 Yeah, that, I believe it was se- was it '75 that it came out?

Narrator 35:04 Y- I remember reading into this-

Jimmy Carr 35:05 Shocking.

Narrator 35:05 ... th- though, ah, they, they, it was like the, that, th- right, um, sorry, frame, like frame 313 or something like that, that hadn't been seen. They did have the Zapruder film and they posted a lot of it in, in, uh, screenshots, in like Life.

Joe Rogan 35:18 In Life Magazine.

Narrator 35:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:19 'Cause Life Magazine owned it.

Narrator 35:20 But they left some of it out.

Joe Rogan 35:21 And th- and then somehow or another, Dick Gregory acquired it, and that was around '75. And that's when he aired it on television.

Jimmy Carr 35:27 That's crazy. That's true. See-

Joe Rogan 35:28 And when he aired it on television, it just opened up everyone's eyes. They're like, "Well, that, uh, any, anyone who'd ever seen anything get shot knows that when you get hit with something from the back, you don't go back towards the shot."

Narrator 35:40 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 35:40 The impact throws the head back.

Jimmy Carr 35:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:43 And you see the spray of the bullets, and it appears he's getting hit multiple times from multiple angles.

Jimmy Carr 35:46 What's your, what's your feeling on it then? I mean, you've looked into it. You're a big conspiracy guy, but what, who do you think orchestrated-... JFK's death.

Joe Rogan 35:55 It's a good question. I mean, Tucker Carlson came out on television and said the CIA killed Kennedy. And I think that's probably one of the reasons (laughs) why he got removed from Fox. Um, I don't know who did it. I, I really would be the ... I would be-

Jimmy Carr 36:06 I'm amazed there hasn't been, like, a-

Joe Rogan 36:07 ... talking out of my ass.

Jimmy Carr 36:07 ... a, a deathbed confession or something. 'Cause I mean, conspiracies more broadly-

Joe Rogan 36:11 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 36:11 ... you kind of go, "Well, it involves s- sort of cognitive dissonance." Do-

Joe Rogan 36:14 Wasn't there a deathbed confession from E. Howard Hunt?

Narrator 36:16 There was some- I was gonna say there was something, but I don't know.

Joe Rogan 36:18 Yeah. I think it was, uh, E. Howard Hunt-

Jimmy Carr 36:21 Okay.

Joe Rogan 36:21 ... who was, uh, one of the people that was supposedly on the grassy knoll. There, there, there was... Uh, Woody Harrelson's father was supposed to be, uh, involved in this too, was apparently a hit man. There was, uh, a- a- according to The Lure: The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt, yeah, the ultimate keeper of secrets regarding who killed G- JFK. And I think-

Jimmy Carr 36:39 Yeah. That's, that's how you keep a secret, a pipe.

Joe Rogan 36:41 (laughs) Uh, he, I think, on his deathbed, he said that he was involved in the, the conspiracy to kill the president. I don't know who was involved. I mean, I think it was probably a bunch of people. There was a lot of people that wanted Kennedy out of there. I mean, he wanted some pretty radical changes. He wanted to disband the intelligence agencies. He thought that secrecy was abhorrent. And he, you know, talked about it openly in this one speech that he gave about secret societies. And, and he-

Jimmy Carr 37:07 Well, it's, it's odd, that thing. For me, I mean, I'm kind of thinking about maybe doing a bit about this, about saying, look, 'cause it involves two thoughts. You've, you've got to believe the government are... There's a deep state-

Joe Rogan 37:16 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 37:16 ... that are sort of geniuses and can cover these things up and can, you know, fake a moon landing. And also, the government are idiots. They can't organize anything. And, and, and, what, what-

Joe Rogan 37:25 Well, it's different-

Jimmy Carr 37:26 What I want to do, my thought-

Joe Rogan 37:26 The government, you can't say the government, right? Because the government-

Jimmy Carr 37:29 ... is huge.

Joe Rogan 37:29 ... is a blanket. That's like saying drugs. Drugs are bad.

Jimmy Carr 37:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:32 Well, I'm drinking coffee and it's not bad. Everybody drinks coffee.

Jimmy Carr 37:35 But, but that thing of, like, going, "What we need is some of those guys from the deep state over here for a week to deal with the regular shit." We need someone on transit duties.

Joe Rogan 37:44 Uh.

Jimmy Carr 37:44 We need someone from the deep state to look at hospitals.

Joe Rogan 37:47 Well, uh, I... In a lot of ways, those are more complex issues than assassinating someone and covering it up. Because back then, again, there's... You'd... It's not like information today where people have... Like, everyone has a cellphone. Like if you... If the Kennedy assassination happened today, there would be footage from 100 different angles.

Jimmy Carr 38:05 Yes.

Joe Rogan 38:06 There'd be so many people there and we would-

Jimmy Carr 38:08 It's amazing how much there is, really.

Joe Rogan 38:08 ... we'd have high-resolution footage. It is amazing. But it was just because he was so important. And back then, you know, there were a few people that were enthusiasts that had their own personal video cameras.

Jimmy Carr 38:16 And, and, and the thing with, the thing, I guess, with, with conspiracy is it's... Some of it's true. Like the, the biggest conspiracy, I think probably of our lifetime, was pedophilia in the Catholic Church.

Joe Rogan 38:26 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 38:26 Was like... That was... I remember that being talked about when I was a kid and thinking-

Joe Rogan 38:29 Well, how about in the UK?

Jimmy Carr 38:30 ... my mother was crazy.

Joe Rogan 38:31 Jimmy Savile.

Jimmy Carr 38:32 Just-

Joe Rogan 38:33 How-

Jimmy Carr 38:33 ... hiding in plain sight.

Joe Rogan 38:34 ... crazy is that? And that guy-

Jimmy Carr 38:37 It's really crazy.

Joe Rogan 38:37 ... looks like a pedophile.

Jimmy Carr 38:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:39 I mean, he looked like such a fucking creep.

Jimmy Carr 38:42 Well, here's, here's the story I heard on Jimmy Savile, which is interesting. He had a big show on TV called Jim'll Fix It.

Joe Rogan 38:47 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 38:47 Which was him making dreams come true for kids or whatever, you know. They'd write in with a wish-

Joe Rogan 38:52 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 38:52 ... and he'd make them come true. But he had that nickname before, so he was kind of a fixer. Do you know he invented the, the, the turntable? The, the two, two record players together? The... That turntable?

Joe Rogan 39:03 Oh, like for a DJ? Like mixing?

Jimmy Carr 39:04 For a DJ. He invented the, the dual turntable.

Joe Rogan 39:07 Really?

Jimmy Carr 39:07 Yeah. I mean-

Joe Rogan 39:08 So it's not all bad.

Jimmy Carr 39:10 Uh, pretty much all bad.

Joe Rogan 39:11 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 39:12 99.9% bad.

Joe Rogan 39:15 (laughs) 99.9% bad.

Jimmy Carr 39:15 Real bad. Yeah. But one good invention. What was my joke about him? He was the... Uh, it's a very British joke, but Jimmy Savile, the only man in human history to have fucked more miners than Thatcher.

Joe Rogan 39:23 Oh.

Jimmy Carr 39:24 That requires quite a lot of information-

Joe Rogan 39:26 (laughs) About mining.

Jimmy Carr 39:26 ... about mining-

Joe Rogan 39:27 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 39:27 ... Margaret Thatcher-

Joe Rogan 39:28 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 39:28 ... what she did to the miners and also... Ah, it's a long way to go.

Joe Rogan 39:31 It's a good joke, though.

Jimmy Carr 39:32 Yeah. But the, uh... Yeah, no, he was hiding in plain sight and was part of the establishment.

Joe Rogan 39:36 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 39:37 But I think that thing of, like, going... The story I t- uh, I was told was he was kind of connected very high up because of what he did in terms of fixing things.

Joe Rogan 39:47 Mm.

Jimmy Carr 39:47 Like, so the guy that... Are you familiar with the Profumo Affair?

Joe Rogan 39:50 No.

Jimmy Carr 39:51 The, uh... So it was the idea that the, the minister, uh, for, uh, I think the, uh, the Ministry of Defense was having an... She, he was, he was having an affair with a lady who was also, Christine Keeler, who was also having an affair with a Russian agent.

Joe Rogan 40:02 Oh.

Jimmy Carr 40:03 And she had been procured by this other guy, who then got, um, assassinated.

Joe Rogan 40:09 Mm.

Jimmy Carr 40:09 Or they think got assassinated. And so I think... Uh, the story I heard was Jimmy Savile had a similar role for procuring certain things for certain people.

Joe Rogan 40:18 Interesting.

Jimmy Carr 40:18 So I wonder what he was doing for the police or for the Secret Service that gave him... What gave him-

Joe Rogan 40:25 Right.

Jimmy Carr 40:25 ... that, that ability to just-

Joe Rogan 40:26 That immunity.

Jimmy Carr 40:27 Total immunity.

Joe Rogan 40:28 Well, that's what's the really scary idea is that there's a ring of people that are pedophiles. That's what terrifies people, that there's a ring of powerful people that... That's the... You know, if you want to go full QAnon tinfoil hat, that's-

Jimmy Carr 40:43 But I think that is-

Joe Rogan 40:44 ... what a lot of people believe.

Jimmy Carr 40:44 ... like... I mean, I presume Jimmy Savile was acting alone. I mean, I presume that's... But-

Joe Rogan 40:50 But why?

Jimmy Carr 40:52 But why, why-

Joe Rogan 40:53 Why do you presume he's acting alone?

Jimmy Carr 40:53 ... why cover it up?

Joe Rogan 40:54 I don't know. I mean, what if other people were also involved? What if other people were also doing the same thing?

Jimmy Carr 41:00 Oh, it's a terrifying thought, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 41:01 I mean, there's a, there's the, the, there's a similar case in America with, uh, Sandusky, you know, who, uh-

Jimmy Carr 41:07 Is that the guy the-

Joe Rogan 41:07 Jerry Sandusky.

Jimmy Carr 41:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:08 He was the, uh, the coach that did a lot of things with kids and worked with kids. And everybody had this image that he was this great guy.

Jimmy Carr 41:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:16 When it turns out, the entire time, he had been molesting kids.

Jimmy Carr 41:20 It's pretty horrific, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 41:21 Yeah, it's horrific, but that's often the role they play. The role they play as-

Jimmy Carr 41:26 Well, they have to get themselves into a position-

Joe Rogan 41:27 Predators, yes.

Jimmy Carr 41:28 ... where they're close to-

Joe Rogan 41:29 Yes, yes.

Jimmy Carr 41:30 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:30 Which is like Boy Scout masters and priests, you know.

Jimmy Carr 41:33 Which is, uh, you know, it's a terrible thing because, uh, something like the Scouts, which is very good for kids-

Joe Rogan 41:37 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 41:38 ... to go and play together and learn those things and those skills, it's a great organization, and yet that's absolutely fucking ruined it. That's the first thing you think of now-

Joe Rogan 41:45 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 41:46 ... when you think of the Scouts.

Joe Rogan 41:47 Well, the Catholic Church is the greatest example of that, right? I mean, you cannot say Catholic priest without someone thinking pedophile. There's no other-

Jimmy Carr 41:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:54 ... occupation on Earth that has such a connection to pedophilia.

Jimmy Carr 41:58 Yeah. It's so weir- Someone was t- talking to me about the, the history of the Catholic Church and what happened.... and the idea of the thing that turned the Catholic Church bad was the plague.

Joe Rogan 42:10 Really?

Jimmy Carr 42:11 So, the plague hit in the Middle Ages. And before then, the priest was the smartest guy you'd ever met. The smartest guy in the town became a-

Joe Rogan 42:21 Could- could read Latin.

Jimmy Carr 42:22 This guy could- could read.

Joe Rogan 42:23 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 42:23 "This guy can read."

Joe Rogan 42:24 Right.

Jimmy Carr 42:24 "It's just shapes on a page to us."

Joe Rogan 42:26 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 42:26 But, like, had access to books, was reading, was- was the most erudite, brilliant guy. The bishop was even smarter than that, the Pope was a genius. Great. So, the plague happens, and the plague wipes out, I think, it's a third of the European population, but it might have been more than that. And it wiped out a third of regular people, but it wiped out 90% of priests because priests had to give last rites.

Joe Rogan 42:47 Oh.

Jimmy Carr 42:48 So, they were around the plague more than regular people. "I need the last rites, I'm dying." "Okay." Then he dies.

Joe Rogan 42:53 Right.

Jimmy Carr 42:54 So, the barrier to entry for getting into the priesthood went from, "You gotta be great," to, "Ah, you seem to have all your own teeth and you can string a sentence together. You'll be great." So, all of that stuff that comes after, downstream of that, like the, you know, the plenary indulgences? This thing where you could buy your way into Heaven in the Middle Ages?

Joe Rogan 43:14 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 43:14 You could sort of pay someone to go, "Yeah, you make sure I'm okay when I get there, though."

Joe Rogan 43:18 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 43:18 That kind of nonsense came along afterwards when the- when the- it had all kind of calmed down.

Joe Rogan 43:22 Corruption, yeah. Hmm.

Jimmy Carr 43:24 Yeah, the corruption and the-

Joe Rogan 43:25 Interesting.

Jimmy Carr 43:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:26 I had heard that it was connected to celibacy, and that initially there was no celibacy clause. They weren't- they weren't supposed to be celeba-

Jimmy Carr 43:34 No, that was- that came in the Middle Ages. Th- so, it was that thing of they wanted to be more like Christ. So, they- they, and who was celibate, and so they went, "Well, I'm gonna be..." You know, one priest said, "Well, I'm gonna be more like Him, live like Christ. I'm gonna be celibate and not have a wife." And then that kind of took off as an idea.

Joe Rogan 43:49 That's interesting because what I had heard was that-

Jimmy Carr 43:51 'Cause it didn't happen in the Anglican Church.

Joe Rogan 43:52 ... they were banging all the women because the priests were rock stars.

Jimmy Carr 43:56 What?

Joe Rogan 43:56 I mean, if you- if you have a community where the priest is literally connected to God, and he's a biological male, and he's horny, and these women worship them-

Jimmy Carr 44:06 And- and also-

Joe Rogan 44:07 ... and came to them for-

Jimmy Carr 44:08 ... it's- it's the original show business.

Joe Rogan 44:09 Yes! Yes.

Jimmy Carr 44:09 I mean, if we were- if we were doing- if we were who we are in the 13th century, 100% priests.

Joe Rogan 44:15 Or jesters.

Jimmy Carr 44:15 So, I can- I can get up in front of these people and talk to them for an hour a week.

Joe Rogan 44:19 Right.

Jimmy Carr 44:20 Done.

Joe Rogan 44:20 Right.

Jimmy Carr 44:21 Yes, put me down for one of those.

Joe Rogan 44:22 Right. And they'd seek guidance from you, you'd get all these accolades. And apparently, they were allowed to have sex with women and they were fucking everybody.

Jimmy Carr 44:30 Yeah. Well-

Joe Rogan 44:31 Just like rock stars-

Jimmy Carr 44:32 Well, because-

Joe Rogan 44:32 ... because they were probably the most popular people in the town.

Jimmy Carr 44:34 The other thing that tie- and that's very interesting. The other thing that ties it to, um ... Like, there's- there's often been, and it's a very unpleasant thing, but there's often been a conflation between homosexuality and pedophilia, which is so- it's just fucking nonsense.

Joe Rogan 44:48 Right, it's nonsense.

Jimmy Carr 44:49 They're very ... H- it's nonsense, but it- it keeps on kind of rearing its head in a weird way. But there is something with the Catholic Church where it's hard to remember how vilified gay guys were a generation ago.

Joe Rogan 45:02 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 45:02 Let alone two generations ago.

Joe Rogan 45:04 Yeah, but-

Jimmy Carr 45:04 So-

Joe Rogan 45:05 Well, very recently, in the '90s.

Jimmy Carr 45:07 I mean, in i- i- i- it's- it's crazy, but it's true.

Joe Rogan 45:10 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 45:10 So, there's a weird thing where ... Okay, so let's say you're a gay guy in, I don't know, 1890. You knew you were gay when you were 14 or whatever. Like, everyone else is getting married and going off, and you go-

Joe Rogan 45:22 Right.

Jimmy Carr 45:22 ... "I'm a gay guy." The priesthood was a smart move because you went, "Well, I don't have to get married, and I know I'm not about that, so I'll join the priesthood."

Joe Rogan 45:29 Mmm.

Jimmy Carr 45:29 So, you joined the priesthood. You're a gay guy. There were other gay guys that had had the idea. Great.

Joe Rogan 45:34 Right.

Jimmy Carr 45:35 Now, here's the weird thing. Pedophilia was the same level sin in the eyes of the Church-

Joe Rogan 45:42 Oh.

Jimmy Carr 45:42 ... at that level, so one covered for the other. There was all- you were all damned and going to Hell.

Joe Rogan 45:48 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 45:48 It was all terrible, which is obviously some fucking nonsense. But-

Joe Rogan 45:52 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 45:53 ... yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:54 Well, there's also- there's a different attitude towards, uh, same-sex, um, minors and adults that is with some people in the gay community. In fact, there was a law that they were trying to pass in California where they were saying that the age of consent being 18 was, in somehow or another, uh, anti-LBGTQ because some-

Jimmy Carr 46:21 What?

Joe Rogan 46:21 Yeah, because some young men sought mentors in older gay men, some young men who are gay.

Jimmy Carr 46:27 I mean, that sounds like some-

Joe Rogan 46:28 Wasn't there- there was a- was his ... Klein? Is that what his name? There's a- a- a politician in California that was very controversial because he was promoting this.

Jimmy Carr 46:36 Very controversial 'cause he's promoting pedophilia.

Joe Rogan 46:38 Well, and he's-

Jimmy Carr 46:39 Yes. Yeah, that's gonna be controversial.

Joe Rogan 46:40 Well, I think his idea was like 16 and 17-year-old boys, and that that should be okay. Which is, you know, it gets-

Jimmy Carr 46:47 I- I think those-

Joe Rogan 46:47 ... it gets very sketchy because-

Jimmy Carr 46:48 That sounds ... Uh, it also ... Let's wind it back. Here's something that we could do, right? Here's something we could start a campaign for. Those laws about, you know ... Uh, the age of consent in the UK is 16.

Joe Rogan 46:59 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 46:59 But those laws should be for 17 and 18-year-old boys.

Joe Rogan 47:03 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 47:03 They shouldn't apply to us.

Joe Rogan 47:05 Yes, right. It shouldn't apply to a 55-year-old man.

Jimmy Carr 47:07 It- it- so, Romeo and Juliet-

Joe Rogan 47:08 Right.

Jimmy Carr 47:08 ... no- uh, law, I think they have it in New York. They have it in certain states where you go, "Yeah, that's the age of consent is 16 for her, and that guy who's 17, and it's her boyfriend, and they've kno- come up at school together."

Joe Rogan 47:18 Makes sense, yeah.

Jimmy Carr 47:18 That makes sense. And then at 18, maybe, "Okay, go and do whatever you're gonna do."

Joe Rogan 47:24 Right. I remember when I was-

Jimmy Carr 47:25 That would make a lot more sense to me.

Joe Rogan 47:26 ... 18 years old. When I turned 18, my girlfriend was a year younger than me, and she was 17. And I was terrified that I was going to go to jail because I was- I was a legal adult, and she was n- still a child.

Jimmy Carr 47:41 Right.

Joe Rogan 47:41 B- even though we started dating when, uh, I was 16, or I was- I was ... Yeah, no, I was 17 and she was 16. And then when I turned 18, I was like, "Oh, my God." Like, "Could I get in jail for this?" I remember thinking that. Like, "Is this illegal?"

Jimmy Carr 47:57 Wow.

Joe Rogan 47:57 Like, 'cause it kind of technically is.I think if you're dating a girl like that, I mean this is 1985. So, Sa- so Gavin Newsom signed a law that could give judges a say on whether to list someone as a sex offender for having oral or aner- anal sex with a minor. The bill would expand-

Jimmy Carr 48:14 What?

Joe Rogan 48:14 ... discretion currently granted judges in statutory rape charges as promoted by bringing fairness under the law to LBGTQ defendants. The current law, in place for decades, permits judges to decide whether a man should be placed on California's sex offender registry if he had voluntary intercourse with someone from 14 to 17 years old and was no more than 10 years older than the person.

Jimmy Carr 48:38 Right. I'm, I'm, I don't wanna-

Joe Rogan 48:39 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 48:39 ... I don't wanna come to your show and be all controversial, but I think broadly speaking, don't be a pedophile. There you go.

Joe Rogan 48:44 Right. I think that's a good thing to say. But that discretion says only apply to a man who had vaginal intercourse. The new law changes permits, uh, uh, change, the new change rather permits judges to use the same discretion when the case involves voluntary oral or anal sex. The measure won't apply when a minor is under 14, when the gap is larger-

Jimmy Carr 49:05 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 49:05 ... than 10 years, or when either party says the sex wasn't consensual. The law does not change the age of consent in California, which is 18. Adults caused, caused, caught having sex with minors will still face statutory rape charges. Yeah, Scott Wiener, that's the guy. San Francisco democrat. So this guy-

Jimmy Carr 49:23 Great name. Great name for a guy.

Joe Rogan 49:24 Yeah. Isn't it funny how those Wiener guys keep getting in trouble? Anthony Wiener, Scott Wiener.

Jimmy Carr 49:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:28 Um, so-

Jimmy Carr 49:28 Nominal t- determinism, it's a thing, right?

Joe Rogan 49:30 It's, it's like the simulation theory, it's like the universe is playing little jokes on you. It's like-

Jimmy Carr 49:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 49:36 ... uh, but this guy, like there's photos of this guy at gay pride parades, like wearing a dog collar, like you know, he's-

Jimmy Carr 49:43 I mean that's, I- I- I've got zero problem with that.

Joe Rogan 49:44 ... but he's also, I don't have a problem with that. Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 49:46 I've got zero problem with that. I've got a problem with him saying-

Narrator 49:48 There's this quote on it, I think the article continued, I didn't read it.

Joe Rogan 49:50 "The law ends discrimination by treating LBGTQ young people the exact same way that straight young people have been treated since 1944," Wiener said in a statement, adding, "Today California took yet another step towards equitable society." So what that seems to me is like there was a law already in place giving judges discretion, but it was only for vaginal sex and he thought that it should apply to oral and anal sex.

Jimmy Carr 50:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:12 It seems like the law is the issue, right? Because 10 years old, like if someone's 26 and the other person's 16, like (groans) or 15 and 25 (groans) , that's cra-

Jimmy Carr 50:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:22 ... I mean there's a reason why it's 18, like 18 is like reasonable, you know.

Jimmy Carr 50:25 Yeah, and I think you have to give people agency at some point.

Joe Rogan 50:28 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 50:28 At some point you have to give people agency and go, "Look, you're allowed to make your own decisions now."

Joe Rogan 50:31 Right.

Jimmy Carr 50:32 Do as you please.

Joe Rogan 50:32 Yes. I mean, you are certainly a young person at 18, but if you're a young man at 18 and you decide to have sex with a man who's 30 years old, like that's-

Jimmy Carr 50:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:40 ... completely reasonable.

Jimmy Carr 50:41 I think, uh, it's also, you know, try telling an 18-year-old they're not-

Joe Rogan 50:44 Right.

Jimmy Carr 50:45 ... still grown. I mean, it's a weird thing-

Joe Rogan 50:46 Sure.

Jimmy Carr 50:46 ... I wonder in the future, because the mind, your- your brain isn't fully developed, I think it's 25.

Joe Rogan 50:52 Well, 25 is the age your frontal cortex is fully formed I believe as a male.

Jimmy Carr 50:58 Do you think-

Joe Rogan 50:59 I think for female, females like mentally mature, uh, earlier than men too.

Jimmy Carr 51:04 I wonder what age it is. But that gen of like-

Joe Rogan 51:05 They're generally smarter than men with more of a-

Jimmy Carr 51:07 I wonder in a generation's time, will everyone go, "Sorry, you were fucking a 21-year-old?"

Joe Rogan 51:12 Uh...

Jimmy Carr 51:13 I wonder will it ever go the other way?

Joe Rogan 51:15 That seems silly. That seems s- especially men and women. I mean, if it's a 21-year-old man and a 30-year-old woman has sex with you, she's gonna be brought up on charges, that's insane.

Jimmy Carr 51:24 Yeah. You had that great bit about that.

Joe Rogan 51:26 Yeah. I said there's no-

Jimmy Carr 51:27 That's a great bit of yours.

Joe Rogan 51:28 ... sexual equality when it comes to child molesting.

Jimmy Carr 51:30 Yeah. That's very funny.

Joe Rogan 51:31 I said because a grown man can molest a 16-year-old girl, but a grown woman can't really molest a 16-year-old boy, she can only let him fuck her.

Jimmy Carr 51:38 Great bit.

Joe Rogan 51:39 Like, what's the worst thing that happened? You found out about something awesome early? Like poor Billy got his dick sucked by the hot teacher.

Jimmy Carr 51:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:46 He's never gonna recover.

Jimmy Carr 51:48 It's a very good-

Joe Rogan 51:49 (laughs) Thank you.

Jimmy Carr 51:49 It's a v- and, uh, we're not denigrating the suffering of-

Joe Rogan 51:51 No! No.

Jimmy Carr 51:52 ... men that have been molested, but yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:53 No, no, no, no. But it's always like-

Jimmy Carr 51:54 Dmitri Martin had a great line on that as well.

Joe Rogan 51:56 Um-

Jimmy Carr 51:56 He said s- about some guy that fucked his teacher and Dmitri said, "Yeah, he died. He got high-fived to death."

Joe Rogan 52:01 I think that was Zach Galifianakis.

Jimmy Carr 52:03 Was that Zach?

Joe Rogan 52:04 I think so.

Jimmy Carr 52:05 I think it's Dmitri.

Joe Rogan 52:06 He might be right.

Jimmy Carr 52:07 I'll double down. I mean those guys are both phenomenal writers.

Joe Rogan 52:09 Both brilliant. I think it might've been Galifianakis but, uh, either way, great joke. But it's, uh, (laughs) high-fived to death. But it's, you know, there, it's a difference, there's a difference and it's also the difference in how we ... It's unfortunate, but there's a d- there's a pre- there's a prejudice about women having sex versus men having sex, that w- with a woman is being taken advantage of by the man, like that they don't have agency. Whereas the man is the pursuer and the predator. And so there's, there's an aspect of that that goes along with it, you know, th- that a male ... Like we, we don't think of a 16-year-old boy having sex with a hot 30-year-old woman as like that boy being molested. We just don't.

Jimmy Carr 52:56 Yeah. Well that's, I suppose, you know, increasingly, you know, we will. I haven't given it a lot of thought, but it's, it does strike me that that thing of like agency and being 18 and being a, a grownup in society.

Joe Rogan 53:05 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 53:06 I suppose the problem is, that thing, that, what's that book, um, is it Jonathan Haidt, The Coddling of the American Mind?

Joe Rogan 53:12 Yes. Got that.

Jimmy Carr 53:13 That idea of going if there's no freedom for kids anymore, like y- you're not allowed to go and play on your own. You're not allowed to leave the house and mess around and ev- you know, the only freedom you have now as a kid is online, so you're not allowed to go and experience that thing of being out in the world.

Joe Rogan 53:28 In danger, yeah.

Jimmy Carr 53:29 Danger, like-

Joe Rogan 53:30 And knowing what's, what's safe and what's not safe and having experiences with people that are sketchy.

Jimmy Carr 53:35 So then if you don't get any of that-

Joe Rogan 53:37 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 53:37 ... until you're 18-

Joe Rogan 53:38 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 53:38 ... and then suddenly you get all of that, but you've not been drip fed it.

Joe Rogan 53:41 Right.

Jimmy Carr 53:42 Like that thing of like I know what your childhood was like, we were pretty, um, you know grew up in Slough, quite sort of working class, uh, to the west of London. And we were, we were n- a nice little bit and we would go out on bikes in the morning and you would come back for your dinner in the evening.

Joe Rogan 53:58 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 53:58 You would just be out for the day. I don't think-

Joe Rogan 54:01 Same. Yeah, my, my childhood was very similar.

Jimmy Carr 54:02 I don't know if that exists-

Joe Rogan 54:04 No. That's like almost like-

Jimmy Carr 54:06 ... in America anymore.

Joe Rogan 54:06 ... child abuse. It's almost like b- you know, neglecting your parental duties. Just let your kid just roam out of the house and come back at dinner.

Jimmy Carr 54:13 But, but 14-year-olds-... used to be babysitters. Now, 14-year-olds need babysitters.

Joe Rogan 54:17 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 54:18 And I don't think-

Joe Rogan 54:19 Good point.

Jimmy Carr 54:19 ... anything's changed about humanity. So, I think the idea that you go, you have agency at 18, but, uh, li- we, we, like, it goes from naught to 60 (fingers snap)

Joe Rogan 54:28 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 54:28 ... in one day.

Joe Rogan 54:29 Right. That's a good point.

Jimmy Carr 54:29 And like, the drinking age is 21 here-

Joe Rogan 54:31 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 54:31 ... isn't it? It's 18 at home. But you go, well, actually, it kind of, everyone assumes in the UK you're gonna drink a little bit when you're 14-

Joe Rogan 54:37 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 54:37 ... in the park with your friends.

Joe Rogan 54:39 And it's also-

Jimmy Carr 54:39 There's a little bit of that.

Joe Rogan 54:40 ... the different levels of experience of people that are 16 and 17 years old. Like, when I was in high school, uh, the first girlfriend that I had, she had a single mom, and she was essentially on her own and left to roam around from the time she was very young. And she had been going to concerts when she was 12 and 13 years old, and she'd already had sex before I had, d- I had. Like, she was y- a year younger than me, and when we met, uh, I was a virgin and she wasn't. And so, it was, it was, you know, she was m- more worldly and mature than I was. Like, she knew how to go-

Jimmy Carr 55:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:13 ... to concerts. She knew how-

Jimmy Carr 55:14 Well, the-

Joe Rogan 55:14 ... to get backstage and meet people.

Jimmy Carr 55:15 The i- the idea that we're saying, you know, at age like 18, every 18-year-old, "Oh, that's just a-"

Joe Rogan 55:19 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 55:19 "... solid state. Everyone's the same." No, everyone's different.

Joe Rogan 55:22 Very different.

Jimmy Carr 55:22 I mean, everyone comes to it from a very different perspective.

Joe Rogan 55:25 Sure.

Jimmy Carr 55:25 People mature at different speeds. It's very, I mean, there's, there'll be young people listening to this as well. It's that thing where it seems like such a race when you're young-

Joe Rogan 55:31 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 55:31 ... to, to kinda, to get there, to do everything.

Joe Rogan 55:34 To be grown up.

Jimmy Carr 55:34 And you feel like you need to make all the decisions-

Joe Rogan 55:38 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 55:38 ... when you're 19, uh, "Okay, which college degree? What am I gonna do in life?"

Joe Rogan 55:42 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 55:43 "Wha- what am I gonna..." Uh, uh, it's a panic.

Joe Rogan 55:45 Well, that's what so predatory about America, 'cause that's when student loans come in and you get shackled up with these student loans that you can never get out of debt with. Student loans in America, I don't know how you have it in the UK, we g- well, you have free healthc- or free education, right?

Jimmy Carr 55:59 No, we, we used to have free education. So, when I went to college, it was free. You had to pay for your kinda bed and board, and it was free. I went to university, I got a, uh, a free education. It feels ridiculous that we let that go.

Joe Rogan 56:13 Hm.

Jimmy Carr 56:13 And, and, and maybe-

Joe Rogan 56:14 It does feel ridiculous.

Jimmy Carr 56:14 ... maybe it's like i- okay, so it's, it's t- if it's too expensive, then I can see an argument to say, "Well, on academic merit, we cut the number of places until we can afford for it to be free."

Joe Rogan 56:27 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 56:27 But it's free for, free for everyone.

Joe Rogan 56:28 Well, it certainly benefits the greater good of society to have more people educated and, and-

Jimmy Carr 56:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:32 ... what, what greater thing to spend tax dollars on than to educate the population? It's f- fanta- there's, uh, how could you make an argument against it? And with the predatory loans in America, the way it works is, like say if you start a business and you take out a big loan to start a business and your business fails and you're, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, you can go bankrupt.

Jimmy Carr 56:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:52 And then you're absolved of that debt. If you get a student loan, you are never absolved of that debt. You must pay that debt, and the interest keeps increasing over time.

Jimmy Carr 57:01 Well, you know, you know what I'm hearing here?

Joe Rogan 57:02 What?

Jimmy Carr 57:02 We need to get into the student debt business. This feels like this c-

Joe Rogan 57:05 Ugh, sounds like you can't lose. (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 57:06 You think, you think you're making money in comedy and on podcasts? Please.

Joe Rogan 57:10 Well-

Jimmy Carr 57:10 The real money is in student debt.

Joe Rogan 57:11 And it's pushed on people because everybody feels like they have to go to college or they're gonna be a loser. And there's people right now in America that are getting Social Security money, and their Social Security money is getting docked because they owe student loans. So, you're-

Jimmy Carr 57:25 I, I wonder, is there-

Joe Rogan 57:25 ... at the end of your life-

Jimmy Carr 57:26 Someone made a point recently about a college degree now is a luxury good.

Joe Rogan 57:33 Hm.

Jimmy Carr 57:33 It's like a Louis Vuitton handbag.

Joe Rogan 57:35 Hm.

Jimmy Carr 57:35 So, you get the, you get the l- you get the luxury good, but what can you do with it? What's the benefit? 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 57:40 Well, it really depends-

Jimmy Carr 57:41 Who would you-

Joe Rogan 57:41 ... on the degree, right?

Jimmy Carr 57:42 Yeah, who would you-

Joe Rogan 57:43 Some things, like your medical degree-

Jimmy Carr 57:44 If you're a doctor-

Joe Rogan 57:44 Yeah, of course. ... you need a degree.

Jimmy Carr 57:45 Engineer.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Right.

Jimmy Carr 57:46 Something like that.

Joe Rogan 57:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jimmy Carr 57:47 But if it's, if it's just an arts degree-

Joe Rogan 57:48 Gender studies. Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 57:50 Then you go, "Well, what are you gonna do with that degree?" Like, the map is not the territory.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 57:55 Who would you rather employ, you know, someone with an MBA or someone who's got two failed startups?

Joe Rogan 58:02 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 58:02 Failed startups, please. You know, someone that's been in the trenches and tried it and done it. You know, so I think that thing of, I don't know what advice you would give, uh, an 18-year-old today. But I mean-

Joe Rogan 58:13 It would really-

Jimmy Carr 58:13 ... it would depend-

Joe Rogan 58:14 ... depend upon what they wanna do and what th-, I mean, I'm a, the ter- the worst person to give that advice because I knew very... Because of my childhood and the way I grew up, very unstable, divorced parents, stepdad, moved to a new place all the time, I was terrified of rigidity. I was terrified of a job. I d- I just, I really felt like a loser because I felt like, "All these people can keep jobs. Why, why do I hate them so much?" And-

Jimmy Carr 58:42 Because it's, it's interesting. What I see in you, and I don't know you that well personally, but I, I see your work. And the, the, the thing flowing through it is discipline. Discipline and freedom seem to be the two things. And you go-

Joe Rogan 58:55 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 58:55 And obviously, those things have been separated in our minds-

Joe Rogan 58:58 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 58:59 ... that discipline and freedom are not the same. They're exactly the same. Discipline gives you freedom.

Joe Rogan 59:02 Yeah, that's Jocko Willink.

Jimmy Carr 59:03 B- but-

Joe Rogan 59:03 That's what he says.

Jimmy Carr 59:04 B- but he's g-

Joe Rogan 59:04 Discipline equals freedom.

Jimmy Carr 59:05 Exactly right.

Joe Rogan 59:05 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 59:05 Right? So-

Joe Rogan 59:06 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 59:06 ... that idea of going, well, you, it's martial arts.

Joe Rogan 59:08 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 59:08 Which is all discipline. It's standup, which I know is all discipline. It's all, it, everyone's got ideas.

Joe Rogan 59:14 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 59:14 Everyone talks a good game. It's in the execution.

Joe Rogan 59:16 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 59:16 It's in doing it. So, that thing of like going, couldn't hold down a job. But I mean, you're pretty good at showing up to stuff.

Joe Rogan 59:21 Well, it was, I realized later that it was just I wasn't interested in those things, and what I was terrified of is being forced to do something that I wasn't interested forever.

Jimmy Carr 59:32 Yes.

Joe Rogan 59:32 And I saw so many people that they would just wait until they got home every night and just get drunk and then do it all over again in the morning, and then their bodies were deteriorating and they all wound up getting cancer and getting sick and they all died young. And it was just, it was sad-

Jimmy Carr 59:45 Well-

Joe Rogan 59:45 ... and depressing and, and gloomy.

Jimmy Carr 59:47 Well, it's, I mean, it's, it's, it's work to live as opposed to-

Joe Rogan 59:49 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 59:49 ... live to work.

Joe Rogan 59:51 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 59:51 So, your thing is, you know, it's, it's work is the fun stuff. It's all the stuff that you're passionate about.

Joe Rogan 59:58 Right.

Jimmy Carr 59:58 You try and make that your career. That's very good advice for anyone that's young listening to this. Like, what are you interested in?

Joe Rogan 1:00:05 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 1:00:05 What do you pay attention to? Do that.... do that? What c- you know, 'cause that 10,000 hours thing, it slightly loses the, what could you stand to do for 10,000 hours?

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 Right.

Jimmy Carr 1:00:17 So, 10,000 hours is the minimum. I don't think there's any mastery in 10,000 hours.

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Right.

Jimmy Carr 1:00:21 But I think there is-

Joe Rogan 1:00:21 You become a professional at 10,000 hours.

Jimmy Carr 1:00:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:24 Yeah. Well, with me, I just, I, when I got into martial arts, then I realized, like, "Oh, I'm not lazy. I'm just not interested in those other things."

Jimmy Carr 1:00:33 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:00:33 And then, when I got into martial arts, I was extremely disciplined.

Jimmy Carr 1:00:37 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:00:37 Like fanatically. Like I, I trained every day. I literally, I lived at the gym.

Jimmy Carr 1:00:43 But you, and-

Joe Rogan 1:00:43 I taught, you know.

Jimmy Carr 1:00:44 ... this is ... Uh, you're preaching to the choir. You can't beat your environment.

Joe Rogan 1:00:47 No.

Jimmy Carr 1:00:48 And that thing of, like, finding your tribe, finding your thing. So-

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 1:00:51 ... a lot of people that are lost just haven't found their tribe, their thing.

Joe Rogan 1:00:54 Well, I-

Jimmy Carr 1:00:55 It's hard if you haven't foun- found it yet, 'cause you kinda go, "Well, it's easy for you to say. You've found it."

Joe Rogan 1:00:58 I was also not around people that were following their passions. Everyone that I was around was working. You know, we lived in a blue-collar community, and it was surrounded by a white-collar community, and these people that had all worked really hard, got a very good education, and got a respectable job, either as a doctor or a lawyer or an accountant or whatever-

Jimmy Carr 1:01:18 And-

Joe Rogan 1:01:18 ... and they had a wonderful home, and they'd, they'd worked well.

Jimmy Carr 1:01:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:20 But I looked at them as, like, these d- deteriorating vessels of flesh that were barely getting by in the world, and I didn't want to do what they were doing.

Jimmy Carr 1:01:29 Well, it's-

Joe Rogan 1:01:29 And I didn't know until I got into martial arts that there were people that were doing different things, and that they were surviving and thriving teaching something that they loved. And so, that was my path. My path was competition and teaching.

Jimmy Carr 1:01:43 It's interesting, the teaching thing, because if, I think of your standup career.

Joe Rogan 1:01:47 Mm-hmm.

Jimmy Carr 1:01:48 And you go, well, you've done what you've done in standup, and now you're building a club. And, you know, you've lowered a rope, and you're pulling people up.

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 Well, it was also, I learned how to talk in front of people, because I was painfully shy and, uh, socially awkward as a kid. Like, I would get ... I'd have, like, anxiety going to a bank teller. Like, that I is was gonna have to talk to the bank teller. I remember that. Like, "What is wrong with me?" I remember being, like, 16 years old, having to deposit a check and just being so nervous getting up to the teller.

Jimmy Carr 1:02:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 And just-

Jimmy Carr 1:02:17 I don't think that's you. I think that's being 16.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 No. Yeah, I think-

Jimmy Carr 1:02:20 I think-

Joe Rogan 1:02:20 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:02:20 ... I think being a teenager is about being slightly uncomfortable in your own skin, and-

Joe Rogan 1:02:23 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 1:02:23 ... and deciding who you're gonna be.

Joe Rogan 1:02:25 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 1:02:25 I slightly, I worry for the future generations coming up now, because of Facebook. Because something like Facebook connects you to your past in a way that we don't have. So, I reinvented myself a couple of times.

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 Yes, me too. Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:02:39 Like, I was 16, and I moved schools. And it seems like a trivial thing to move school from one grammar school to another grammar school. Kinda who cares? But it, it just allowed me to kinda go, "Oh, I d- I didn't really behave that well at that school. I kinda messed around."

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 1:02:55 "I, I was a ne'er-do-well." And then I got to the new one and went, "Oh, I think I might go to Cambridge. I think I might be really academic."

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 Right.

Jimmy Carr 1:03:01 And everyone went, everyone went, "Okay."

Joe Rogan 1:03:04 Right.

Jimmy Carr 1:03:04 "O- okay, yeah, y- be that guy."

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Right. "Oh, that's Jimmy. He's a fucking loser."

Jimmy Carr 1:03:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 Right, yeah. When I would go back towards my, um, when I would go back to my town that I grew up in later in life, if I'd visit, I would get nervous. And when I'd go near my high school, I'd feel terrible. I would, uh, I used to have nightmares that I'd have to go back to school, like I didn't really graduate and I'd have to go back.

Jimmy Carr 1:03:23 Isn't that a lovely feeling in standup? Like, I was a couple of years in and I realized, "I'm never gonna have ... I'm never gonna need my resume again."

Joe Rogan 1:03:31 (laughs)

Jimmy Carr 1:03:32 It's done. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:03:33 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:03:33 ... no one's ever gonna care about my exam results again. No one will ever-"

Joe Rogan 1:03:35 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:03:36 It's a very freeing thing to go-

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 Sure.

Jimmy Carr 1:03:38 ... "Well, that was great, that was great, but none of that matters anymore."

Joe Rogan 1:03:40 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:03:42 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:42 Yeah. Yeah. And I, you know, I wasn't interested in academic things at all. I just, I w- I would, I read a lot, but I l- everything I read was fiction. And I would only read because I was on the train getting to the taekwondo school.

Jimmy Carr 1:03:54 And that's how I found, I used to read fiction voraciously. And when I started doing comedy, I stopped.

Joe Rogan 1:04:01 Interesting.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:01 I didn't need the stories anymore.

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 Interesting.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:03 Now I read nonfiction voraciously, but-

Joe Rogan 1:04:06 Mm.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:06 ... I like nonfiction, but-

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:07 ... I don't feel like I need the stories 'cause I'm doing something creative.

Joe Rogan 1:04:10 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:10 I think it was that part of me that, that wanted that is like, "I've got an outlet now. I found the outlet."

Joe Rogan 1:04:15 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:16 Which is, you know ... God, you'd love that for everyone, wouldn't you?

Joe Rogan 1:04:18 I would love that for everyone. I would love if, for everyone to be able to do something that excites them, whether it's making tables or knives or, you know, building houses.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:28 Like, whatever the thing is that really gets you. And-

Jimmy Carr 1:04:31 Well, it's, it's hard though because it's the-

Joe Rogan 1:04:31 ... unfortunately, a lot of people don't find that.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:34 And well, it is hard to find. I mean, it's a very, it's a life's journey. There's two great adventures in life. One is, you know, finding what you wanna do, and the second is doing it. And tragically, most people don't get to do either.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 Right.

Jimmy Carr 1:04:45 And you want that for everyone. You want people to find that thing.

Joe Rogan 1:04:46 Well, especially if you get captured early, and that's what I was talking about with the student loan thing. You get trapped in debt, and then you're on this path to a career. And then, if along the way, someone says, "Hey, uh, have you ever thought about doing comedy?" And you're like, "Oh my God, I'm so tired when I get outta here. I just wanna go have a meal-"

Jimmy Carr 1:05:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:03 ... "and go to sleep," and, and you're thinking about, you know, like, finding a woman and settling down and having kids-

Jimmy Carr 1:05:08 Well, I, I had a thing when I was really used to doing that-

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 ... and everyone else.

Jimmy Carr 1:05:09 ... I used to work for a big oil company. Like-

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Oh, really?

Jimmy Carr 1:05:11 ... when I was in my mid-20s, I worked for Shell Oil. I was in marketing for Shell. And I very nearly bought a place. I very nearly bought a, a flat.

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Mm.

Jimmy Carr 1:05:20 And that thing of, the things you own end up owning you.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 Oh, yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:05:23 I think I'd still be there. And it would've been a good life. I mean, not this life, but it would've been good. But th- that thing of the good is the enemy of the best. I think-

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 Mm.

Jimmy Carr 1:05:34 ... people now-

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 That's a good point.

Jimmy Carr 1:05:34 ... out of 18 to 21 going, "You should be taking risks, big risks."

Joe Rogan 1:05:40 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:05:40 "Big swings." Because-

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 And you should also be surrounded by people that are also doing the same so you can learn from each other. If you're a, a lone person on an island out there taking risks, it's very difficult to assess whether or not you're on the right path or whether or not it's viable.

Jimmy Carr 1:05:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:55 One of the beautiful things about standup and one of the things I love about the club is all these young risk-takers around people that are the same-

Jimmy Carr 1:06:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 ... and that are maybe 10 years ahead of them. And we talk all the time. You know, I ask them, like, "You doing gigs? Are you doing the road? Like, what's going on?"

Jimmy Carr 1:06:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:07 "How you doing? Like, are you working on new stuff?"

Jimmy Carr 1:06:09 How many gigs in is always the thing.

Joe Rogan 1:06:09 "How often do you write?"

Jimmy Carr 1:06:11 I always think that thing of going to young comics, uh-... how many shows. It's like, cause it's like airline pilots. We're like airline pilots. It's not really about how many years you've been doing comedy.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 Right.

Jimmy Carr 1:06:21 It's about, it's, uh, you know, when you're talking to an airline pilot, they tell you how many hours they've got in the sky.

Joe Rogan 1:06:26 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:06:26 And I feel like hours on stage. How many shows you done?

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 1:06:29 That's the thing.

Joe Rogan 1:06:30 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:06:30 I'm like 250 on the year.

Joe Rogan 1:06:32 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:06:32 And I feel like, okay, I'm in, I'm in a groove.

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 Yes.

Jimmy Carr 1:06:35 Like, it's that thing of like-

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 Yeah.

Jimmy Carr 1:06:36 ... you'll match fit for this thing.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 One of the things that we found in LA, um, is that, like, when, when I was doing the Comedy Store and The Improv and the, the Icehouse, and going back and forth-

Jimmy Carr 1:06:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 ... and do, uh,