Joe Rogan Experience #2045 - Jimmy Carr

1. 0:00 – 1:09

   Intro

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Hey.

   3. JCJimmy Carr0:13

      Hello, Jimmy. Hey, Joe. How are ya?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      (laughs) Good to see you, buddy.

   5. JCJimmy Carr0:16

      It's very nice to see you. This is, uh, it's a hell of a setup.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Thank you. Thank you very much.

   7. JCJimmy Carr0:20

      I'm like in Austin, Texas. I've been here about 18 hours, and, uh, it's, uh, yeah. Five stars on TripAdvisor so far.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      Did you do a set last night?

   9. JCJimmy Carr0:27

      I didn't do a set, but I went to the club.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Yeah?

   11. JCJimmy Carr0:29

       And the club is, it's phenomenal.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Thank you, thank you.

   13. JCJimmy Carr0:32

       It's almost like someone with an unlimited budget built a comedy club.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       (laughs)

   15. JCJimmy Carr0:35

       That's what it felt like, Joe. I don't know, I don't know if your business manager has a view on this.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Yeah, I don't-

   17. JCJimmy Carr0:40

       But I think something along the lines of-

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       I'm not good at taking advice. (laughs)

   19. JCJimmy Carr0:43

       Yeah, but it's, it's so great. It's so set up from the comic's point of view.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Yeah.

   21. JCJimmy Carr0:48

       It's like, uh, no food.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       Yeah, no food.

   23. JCJimmy Carr0:51

       No food is a great choice.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       Yeah, you can have food.

   25. JCJimmy Carr0:54

       Yeah, people can eat afterwards.

   26. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Go eat before.

   27. JCJimmy Carr0:55

       Or afterwards. Yeah, or afterwards.

   28. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Eat after, eat before. There's so many places to eat on 6th Street.

   29. JCJimmy Carr0:58

       There's a-

   30. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       There's a nice pizza place right next door.
2. 1:09 – 1:30

   Great Space

   1. JCJimmy Carr1:09

      Great space.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:09

      Well, it's one of those Kevin Costner things, you know, "You build it, they will come," from the Field of Dreams.

   3. JCJimmy Carr1:14

      Yeah. Well, it feels kinda bigger than that as well, in terms of, you know, you've come out here, and what are you giving back?

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:20

      Yeah.

   5. JCJimmy Carr1:20

      And comedy's given you everything, as it has me, and you go, "Well, what, what can you give back?"

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:26

      Yeah.

   7. JCJimmy Carr1:26

      What can you do for your community? And it feels like that's a great thing to do.

3. 1:30 – 4:37

   Comics Need Community

   1. JCJimmy Carr1:30

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:30

      But also, it seemed like I kind of had to do it because when I moved here, I had this idea that I'd just be able to, like, do whatever local spots I could and then go on the road, and I kind of could. But one of the things that I've realized is that comics need community. It's very important. Like, and that's one of the things that we really had at The Comedy Store that made The Comedy Store so special, is that it wasn't just that it was a great place to work and come up with new material and work on it, but it was also a great place to meet other people that were doing the same thing.

   3. JCJimmy Carr2:01

      It's interesting, comedy-

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:02

      And you get to sit and talk.

   5. JCJimmy Carr2:02

      ... as opposed to acting.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:04

      Yeah.

   7. JCJimmy Carr2:04

      You know that thing... Alan Havey said this great thing to me. He said, "Comedians, we're out for ourselves but in it together."

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:10

      Hmm.

   9. JCJimmy Carr2:10

      I thought, "Ah, that's, it's really interesting, that thing of like going, yeah. Everyone's doing their own thing. See, it's, comedy is not like acting. It's not a zero-sum game.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       Right.

   11. JCJimmy Carr2:19

       So you doing your thing, no matter how successful you are, has no impact on my thing. If anything, you pull me up.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:26

       Yes.

   13. JCJimmy Carr2:26

       So comedy becomes like a bigger thing. If someone does fantastically and they're playing hockey arenas, then more people are pulled up through the clubs and the theaters into the arenas.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:37

       Sure.

   15. JCJimmy Carr2:37

       It feels like, it feels like we're living in a golden age for comedy. It feels to me like this is what it m- must have felt like to work in, uh, music or movies in the '70s.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       Yeah.

   17. JCJimmy Carr2:48

       It's like, it's, it feels like there's something culturally going on with comedy where it feels like it's got a value that's, people need it. People need to go out and feel like they're part of a community. And I suppose when you think about what we're doing on stage, it is pretty special. We're letting people into our minds, and we go into their bodies.

   18. JRJoe Rogan3:09

       Yeah.

   19. JCJimmy Carr3:09

       We're possessing them. We change their physical state. It's extraordinary.

   20. JRJoe Rogan3:13

       It is extraordinary. It really is like a drug. You're giving people a happy drug.

   21. JCJimmy Carr3:16

       Well, it's two dr- I mean, it's-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:17

       Yeah.

   23. JCJimmy Carr3:17

       ... it's the endorphin 'cause you don't quite know when the punch is coming.

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JCJimmy Carr3:21

       And then the serotonin of laughter.

   26. JRJoe Rogan3:22

       Yeah.

   27. JCJimmy Carr3:23

       And the live experience as well, it's like, the live experience is so incredible for comedy, even as opposed to music because what do you get when you go out to a comedy club? Well, you'll laugh 30 times more than watching the footage.

   28. JRJoe Rogan3:38

       Mm-hmm.

   29. JCJimmy Carr3:38

       And really, and, and props to Netflix. Netflix have been part of the reason comedy's having this golden age, but you go watching something on screen is like, that's how you find out what you wanna go and see live.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       Yeah.
4. 4:37 – 7:50

   The Overton Window

   1. JCJimmy Carr4:37

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:37

      For sure. Yeah, there's that, and there's also, with our art form, it's uniquely coming from one person. We're, it's, uh, unless you're a singer-songwriter, there's really not, or an author, those are like probably the only other people. Any other mass form of entertainment that you're seeing, you're seeing a, a lot of different people collaborating, which is good, like in a film. You, you have to have that. But there's something about an individual's perspective and someone going, "What the fuck is this?"

   3. JCJimmy Carr5:08

      Well, it's-

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:09

      And, you know?

   5. JCJimmy Carr5:09

      ... I mean, for me, that thing of, you know, standup is naturally progressive. For me, it's like standup is about, um, there's an Overton window about what... You know, the, that theory of the Overton window-

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JCJimmy Carr5:20

      ... what is and what isn't acceptable to talk about publicly.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:23

      Right.

   9. JCJimmy Carr5:23

      And comedy is always pushing the edge of that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:26

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JCJimmy Carr5:26

       Not just edgy comedy. I do quite edgy stuff. It's not about being edgy particularly. Even, uh, someone doing observational stuff, Seinfeld saying, "The world is crazy. Nothing makes any sense. This is ridiculous." He says the thing, and it pushes, or someone talking about their relationships and their kids, it pushes what's acceptable to talk about in everyday life further.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:45

       Yeah.

   13. JCJimmy Carr5:45

       And it, it expands that window. And so we have more open, meaningful conversations. Like you go and see a comedy show, you have a much more interesting chat afterwards.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JCJimmy Carr5:54

       You go, you go to comedy on a date night, it becomes like a more interesting conversation because something the guy said sparks something. It pushes that, it pushes the conversation-... it's naturally progressive.

   16. JRJoe Rogan6:04

       Yeah. It is. And, uh, and also, in this day and age, it's one of the rare places where you can hear people speak freely about controversial subjects. And in my club, we lock up the phones so people don't... They're not self-conscious, and they're also not distracted, and then you don't have to worry about people filming-

   17. JCJimmy Carr6:20

       B- but that thing of like-

   18. JRJoe Rogan6:20

       ... clips.

   19. JCJimmy Carr6:21

       I- i- it is weird, isn't it? The locking up the phones is such an interesting point because that's what people want.

   20. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       Yeah.

   21. JCJimmy Carr6:28

       They want that boundary of going, "I'm in a live-"

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:30

       Yeah.

   23. JCJimmy Carr6:31

       Like, there's lots of people that would... You, you would watch your favorite show. You'd watch, I don't know, wha- whatever you, you, you like, like Game of Thrones or an MMA fight or whatever. And if you have your phone near you, there's a temptation to check the news and refresh and refresh-

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:44

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JCJimmy Carr6:44

       ... and see what's going on and to ruin the experience for yourself. But somehow, being out in public, like, you, you, you're aware. Like, it's, it's performative being in a crowd. Like, we're not the only ones performing at a comedy club or in, in a theater. The audience are performing. People... "How are you doing?" Like, you ask an audience, "How are you doing?" And they go, "Yay."

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:05

       Hmm.

   27. JCJimmy Carr7:05

       No one says that one-on-one.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:07

       (laughs)

   29. JCJimmy Carr7:07

       No one's ever s- "Hey, how you doing, Joe?" "Yeah!"

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:10

       (laughs)
5. 7:50 – 14:55

   Comedy

   1. JCJimmy Carr7:50

      to do.

   2. JRJoe Rogan7:51

      Yeah, it is. It's my favorite thing to watch still, after all these years. I love wa- I watched Christina Pazsitzky last night. It was awesome.

   3. JCJimmy Carr7:57

      Was it fantastic?

   4. JRJoe Rogan7:58

      Oh, she's so funny. But it just f- it's fun. It's fun to laugh. It's fun to see someone's writing and see, like, where they're going with ideas. And...

   5. JCJimmy Carr8:06

      And it's t- it's, it's also, it's the same and totally different. It's-

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:10

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JCJimmy Carr8:11

      It's a guy on stage with a mic, girl on stage with a mic, and it just, "Uh, wha- what, what's he doing with this?"

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:17

      Yeah.

   9. JCJimmy Carr8:17

      It's a totally different thing. It's t- you know, that self-authored thing. I mean, my... The thing I'm working on at the moment, I'm slightly jealous of the club, I'll be honest. I sort of saw the club last night, I'm like, "This is quite something to do, to set up a club and to have that community," and it's great. And I think that... I'm try- I'm working at the moment on a, I don't know whether it's a book or whether it's a... I think it might be like an online course, but a comedy course. Because-

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:44

       On how to do standup?

   11. JCJimmy Carr8:46

       How to write jokes.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       Wow.

   13. JCJimmy Carr8:47

       How to be a standup. I think-

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:49

       That's great.

   15. JCJimmy Carr8:49

       ... I think... Here's my vision for it. I think we're going through a golden period, but maybe it's just beginning. Comedy is quite a new medium anyway.

   16. JRJoe Rogan8:57

       Yeah.

   17. JCJimmy Carr8:58

       We get to be the Beatles and The Rolling Stones, or certainly someone in our generation does.

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:01

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JCJimmy Carr9:02

       You know, if you think about it, like, George Carlin and, and, uh, uh, Richard Pryor were John the Baptist-

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       Mmm.

   21. JCJimmy Carr9:08

       ... where someone's coming through. It's like that thing of, like, it feels like it's, it's getting bigger and bigger. My vision is, it gets taught in schools.

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:17

       Hmm.

   23. JCJimmy Carr9:17

       So, we teach, we teach music, and we teach drama and art. And I think standup comedy is an art form, and I think we need to get less, less magical thinking and more, "Okay, let's put down a language." Like music, you can write it.

   24. JRJoe Rogan9:32

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JCJimmy Carr9:32

       Let's come up with the... I mean, I, I've kind of... I'm working on, like, 50 joke types, but let's come up with a, a way of analyzing this and teach people how to do it. Because what does it give you? Like, if your kid does standup comedy, okay, well, it's... They have to find their voice. Uh, they have to look at things in a, in a, from a different angle, a different perspective. It's about pattern recognition. These are all transferable skills.

   26. JRJoe Rogan9:56

       Mmm.

   27. JCJimmy Carr9:57

       And it's about finding your voice. The reason every standup is interesting to watch is because it's individual voices.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:02

       Yeah.

   29. JCJimmy Carr10:02

       And really, what's growing up about? What's school about? Finding your voice.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:06

       Yeah.
6. 14:55 – 15:53

   Dave

   1. JCJimmy Carr14:55

   2. JRJoe Rogan14:55

      Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. It's, and it's so improvisational and they're both so good off the cuff. But it's, it's-

   3. JCJimmy Carr15:01

      Magnificent.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      I think what Dave enjoys is just the work. I mean, when you talk to him, he gets up in the morning, or whatever he gets up, he goes to the coffee shop, smokes a cigarette, drinks coffee, and starts writing.

   5. JCJimmy Carr15:14

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Goes over the news, finds out what's going on. When he goes into a town, like say he's in Cleveland, "What's going on in Cleveland? Oh, there's a scandal with the mayor. Oh, okay. There's something going on with the roads. Oh, okay." And then he starts writing things about it. "The team sucks. Oh, let's write about that."

   7. JCJimmy Carr15:28

      But this is, this is the, the life, right? It's the-

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      Yeah.

   9. JCJimmy Carr15:31

      I, I don't know. I mean, maybe he's as successful as he needs to be because really what's this about?

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:36

       Right.

   11. JCJimmy Carr15:36

       It's, it's ab- it's quite stoic, I think. I'm, I've become quite the stoic on... I like going, "Well, I... The world ordered a stand-up comedian, I need to honor that."

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:45

       Yes.

   13. JCJimmy Carr15:45

       I'm a stand-up, so anything that's not writing jokes or performing jokes is not doing the thing.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:51

       Right.

   15. JCJimmy Carr15:51

       And the thing is all

7. 15:53 – 17:54

   WorkLife Balance

   1. JCJimmy Carr15:53

      I care about.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:54

      I would add to that, that it's good to experience life too. And then I think one of the things that accentuates life is accentuating your perspective on things, and that comes from experiences. And it, there's one, one problem that some comics have where they just perform and travel all the time, and a lot of their jokes-

   3. JCJimmy Carr16:11

      Airplane material.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:12

      Yeah.

   5. JCJimmy Carr16:13

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:13

      You know, it revolves around what they know.

   7. JCJimmy Carr16:15

      It's, it's hard, that work-life balance is very tricky. I've just, I've had kids quite late in life and work-life balance is hard, you know. You know, uh, it's, it's difficult. Being a comedian, here's the, here's the first world problem I have, um, uh, you know, work i- is, is more fun than fun.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:31

      (laughs) Yeah. That's true.

   9. JCJimmy Carr16:32

      It's more fun than fun.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:33

       More fun than any vacation.

   11. JCJimmy Carr16:34

       What are you, what are you doing on a, on a, on a, you know, night out?

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:36

       Yeah.

   13. JCJimmy Carr16:37

       "No, we went and had dinner."

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Right.

   15. JCJimmy Carr16:38

       You go, "Okay. Did a thousand people clap-"

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       (laughs)

   17. JCJimmy Carr16:41

       "... when you walked in the restaurant?" No. No, they didn't.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:44

       Right. Then they howl laughing.

   19. JCJimmy Carr16:44

       "Did you get a standing ovation as you left-"

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       Right.

   21. JCJimmy Carr16:46

       "... the restaurant?" "Well, no I didn't."

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       Yeah.

   23. JCJimmy Carr16:48

       "And I thought I did very well at dinner."

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:50

       I have often thought of how many people live from the cradle to the grave and never kill, and what, what, what a sad thing that is to never experience that, just, just drawing an audience for an hour.

   25. JCJimmy Carr17:00

       Well, here's, here's the, here's the depressing thought. Some people live and die and they never hear their own voice.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       Hmm.

   27. JCJimmy Carr17:09

       So maybe teaching stand-up comedy, I, I kinda think that might be the next thing. I'm 50 now. I feel like it's, that might be the next thing of, like, going... And I, I'm kinda looking for things that will make me feel like an imposter.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       Hmm.

   29. JCJimmy Carr17:22

       I wanna feel like an imposter. I want imposter syndrome.

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:25

       Hmm.
8. 17:54 – 19:43

   The Secret of Comedy

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:54

      talked to virtually every great comic, and they all have had that.

   2. JCJimmy Carr17:58

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:58

      They all have had those, that moment in their life, they're like, when the people are clapping, and they're introducing their name, and everybody goes crazy, like, "Ugh. Why are they clapping?"

   4. JCJimmy Carr18:06

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan18:06

      "What the fuck is ... Some fraud." (laughs)

   6. JCJimmy Carr18:08

      I us- I used to open with that, like, on the, in theaters. "Let's manage our expectations, people."

   7. JRJoe Rogan18:12

      (laughs)

   8. JCJimmy Carr18:12

      "Let's ..."

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:14

      Yeah.

   10. JCJimmy Carr18:14

       It's like, it's a terrible thing when you get, like, when the applause is louder when you, when you walk on than when you walk off.

   11. JRJoe Rogan18:19

       Mm. Oh, yes.

   12. JCJimmy Carr18:20

       Like, and we've all had-

   13. JRJoe Rogan18:21

       Yes, yeah.

   14. JCJimmy Carr18:21

       ... like, "Ah, okay. You were excited to see me, but, ah, the show wasn't ready yet."

   15. JRJoe Rogan18:24

       Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's always that. It's also, there's, uh, an incredible lack of documentation about the process of standup comedy. And it's one of the great things about podcasts is that it ha- it has served as, uh, an archive. Li- where you can ... I mean, I've had dozens and dozens of conversations with great comics, where I ask them about their process and what they do-

   16. JCJimmy Carr18:48

       It, it is. I mean, partly, that's the thing driving it. I mean, I think the, the podcast thing has taken off. And it turns out talking about comedy and the process is interesting.

   17. JRJoe Rogan18:57

       Yeah.

   18. JCJimmy Carr18:57

       I mean, I think there's breadcrumbs there. Like, Steve Martin's book, Born Standing Up.

   19. JRJoe Rogan19:01

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JCJimmy Carr19:01

       I think that's the ... And if, if anyone's interested in the secrets of comedy, they're out there, and it's about 10.99 in all good bookshops. Uh, but it's that thing of, like, going, decoding that and making that kind of a ... Yeah, coming up with a language.

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:14

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JCJimmy Carr19:14

       Coming up with a, with something that you could go give a 14-year-old, and they could, you know, write their own jokes and ... I mean, they might not do it as a career, but it might be a fun, a fun, a fun hobby to have. At the moment, comedy feels like it's for the professionals.

   23. JRJoe Rogan19:27

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JCJimmy Carr19:27

       And there's no amateur circuit. But like music and sports, you've got professionals, okay. You've got the, you've got the, the, the, the greats, and then you've got people that just do it for fun.

   25. JRJoe Rogan19:38

       Yeah.

   26. JCJimmy Carr19:38

       Why not have that going on? Why not have more comedians, more comedy clubs?

   27. JRJoe Rogan19:42

       Yeah.

9. 19:43 – 22:47

   Open Mic Nights

   1. JRJoe Rogan19:43

      Well, uh, it, one of the things that we set up at our club is two nights of open mic nights. So, we have open mic night on Sunday and open mic night on Monday. And then, we have the staff of the club, our, the w- all the door people, are all professional comedians-

   2. JCJimmy Carr19:56

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:56

      ... who audition for that job with their act. So, they are people that a- aspire to be professionals-

   4. JCJimmy Carr20:03

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:03

      ... and this is sort of like an apprenticeship.

   6. JCJimmy Carr20:04

      I met a couple of them last night. I mean, it , kinda great, that thing of, uh-

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:08

      It's great.

   8. JCJimmy Carr20:08

      Yeah. It's just, it's ... But the whole vibe of the place then is it's, it's in, y- you know, everyone is in service.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:14

      Yes.

   10. JCJimmy Carr20:14

       Of this night-

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:15

       Yes.

   12. JCJimmy Carr20:15

       ... of this thing-

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:16

       This thing, yeah.

   14. JCJimmy Carr20:17

       ... of a theatrical performance.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:19

       But it's the only art form that is consumed all over the world, loved by everyone, cherished by people, but does not have a direct professional path in order to be successful. There's not, it's not like music. You learn how to play a guitar. You can take, uh, you know, online classes. You could figure out how to compose music. You can get together with bands and practice and put it together. It, they, there's a path. With standup comedy, it's just go up and figure it out.

   16. JCJimmy Carr20:49

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:49

       Go up and figure it out. And the, and it's very clunky, and it's a, a l- lot of wasted time. And I think a l- a lot of that time can be sort of repurposed, if we can give people more clear guidelines.

   18. JCJimmy Carr21:03

       I think-

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       There's no way anyone can tell you how to do your style, 'cause your style is going to be different than Tony Hinchcliffe's style, which is gonna be different than Dave Chappelle's style. Everybody's style an- and who they are and what they present-

   20. JCJimmy Carr21:16

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:16

       ... their, their view of the world-

   22. JCJimmy Carr21:16

       I think comedians, comedians leak is always my kinda theory. Only like, you can't watch someone for an hour and not knew, know who they are.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:22

       Yeah, for sure.

   24. JCJimmy Carr21:23

       Even if, like ... I mean, I'm joke to joke. I'm, I'm just joke to joke on stage.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:27

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JCJimmy Carr21:27

       And yet, people know when I'm telling the truth and when I'm bullshitting and when it's real and when it's not real.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:32

       Yeah.

   28. JCJimmy Carr21:32

       People get a real sense of you through your act.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:34

       Yeah.

   30. JCJimmy Carr21:34

       Through watching you. Do you, do you travel round the world much? Do you do-
10. 22:47 – 24:10

    Comedy Abroad

    1. JCJimmy Carr22:47

    2. JRJoe Rogan22:47

       It is. It is an amazing way to see the world. And it is interesting how comedy translates into these other places and how they, how they absorb comedy. It's very different. Like, I, I took Tony to Stockholm. We did, uh, Sweden.

    3. JCJimmy Carr23:01

       I love Stockholm.

    4. JRJoe Rogan23:01

       It was great. It was great.

    5. JCJimmy Carr23:02

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan23:02

       But he was like, "Dude, I feel like I bombed." And I go, "You, you did really well. Why?" He goes, " 'Cause there was like, they were quiet in between the jokes." I was like, "That's interesting."

    7. JCJimmy Carr23:12

       Yeah, you go to some places though, and it's like, I remember playing at like places in-

    8. JRJoe Rogan23:14

       They laugh and stop laughing.

    9. JCJimmy Carr23:15

       ... like Finland, Denmark, Sweden.

    10. JRJoe Rogan23:16

        Laugh, stop laughing. Yeah.

    11. JCJimmy Carr23:17

        And then, at the end of the show-

    12. JRJoe Rogan23:19

        Yeah.

    13. JCJimmy Carr23:19

        ... nuts.

    14. JRJoe Rogan23:19

        Yeah.

    15. JCJimmy Carr23:20

        Because it's like, it's more like a theatrical performance is, is the thing-

    16. JRJoe Rogan23:23

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JCJimmy Carr23:23

        ... that they've seen before.

    18. JRJoe Rogan23:24

        Yes. Yes. I'm like, "They laughed at all your jokes." He's like, "Yeah, I know. But it just, like, felt like it was disjointed." I go, "You're just used to these rowdy American crowds that, like, there's always noise going on." I go-

    19. JCJimmy Carr23:38

        What you're used, if you're used to playing the clubs as well-

    20. JRJoe Rogan23:40

        Yes.

    21. JCJimmy Carr23:40

        ... I, you know, I play mainly theaters. So, if I go into a club, I'm very distraught. "What, why are they serving drinks-

    22. JRJoe Rogan23:46

        Right.

    23. JCJimmy Carr23:47

        ... during a set? This is ... What's going on?"

    24. JRJoe Rogan23:49

        (laughs)

    25. JCJimmy Carr23:49

        "What's happening here?"

    26. JRJoe Rogan23:50

        Yeah.

    27. JCJimmy Carr23:50

        But of course, because you're not in that field.

    28. JRJoe Rogan23:52

        Right.

    29. JCJimmy Carr23:52

        There're certain countries where you'll get a standing ovation, like Canada, America, Australia. Love a standing ovation. They're getting up to leave anyway. They might as well.

    30. JRJoe Rogan24:00

        (laughs)
11. 24:10 – 24:56

    American Culture

    1. JCJimmy Carr24:10

       me.

    2. JRJoe Rogan24:10

       My friends from the UK that have come to America, one of the things that they've all sort of said is that in the UK, they kind of want you to not do well. And whereas in America, they sort of celebrate you succeeding.

    3. JCJimmy Carr24:23

       I think culturally if you think about what America is about, it's, you know, it, it really ... I suppose it dares to dream.

    4. JRJoe Rogan24:31

       Mm.

    5. JCJimmy Carr24:31

       It's, it's ... There's a bit of a tall poppy syndrome in the UK-

    6. JRJoe Rogan24:34

       Yes.

    7. JCJimmy Carr24:34

       ... where if people do too well, it's like, "Well, let's cut him down to size."

    8. JRJoe Rogan24:37

       Yes.

    9. JCJimmy Carr24:37

       Whereas America is, is for, you know, dreamers and they're gonna do something and they're gonna ... It's exciting.

    10. JRJoe Rogan24:42

        Yeah.

    11. JCJimmy Carr24:43

        It's like, I mean, Austin's got a real feel at the moment for, you know, that the- every city whispers to you.

    12. JRJoe Rogan24:49

        Yeah.

    13. JCJimmy Carr24:49

        So Los Angeles says, "Be more famous," and New York says, "Make more money," and Austin seems to be saying, "Be creative and weird and-"

12. 24:56 – 27:03

    Ron White

    1. JCJimmy Carr24:56

    2. JRJoe Rogan24:56

       They're happy we're here too. That's what's really cool. It's like they've embraced it 'cause, you know, a scene moved into a city. Where there's, there's 15 world-class comedians that live here now that didn't live here-

    3. JCJimmy Carr25:10

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan25:10

       ... three years ago.

    5. JCJimmy Carr25:11

       Was, was Ron White the first?

    6. JRJoe Rogan25:13

       Yes.

    7. JCJimmy Carr25:13

       Yeah. Ro- Ron White's a guy that means nothing in the UK. Like he's not famous in the UK. I can't see why. He's-

    8. JRJoe Rogan25:20

       He's-

    9. JCJimmy Carr25:20

       ... so good.

    10. JRJoe Rogan25:21

        ... so good. He's so good.

    11. JCJimmy Carr25:22

        So good.

    12. JRJoe Rogan25:22

        And he's retired except for my club. So he's at the club all the time.

    13. JCJimmy Carr25:27

        What, have you got Polaroids of him? What have you got on him?

    14. JRJoe Rogan25:29

        No. He loves me. (laughs)

    15. JCJimmy Carr25:30

        That poor man's trying to retire and you keep on dragging him back.

    16. JRJoe Rogan25:32

        He doesn't really wanna retire. He just wants to not travel anymore. And I said, "Ron, you don't have to travel. You can w- you can get a new crowd every night of the week. Any time you want, you can go up." And so he'll just text me, you know, "Hey, you doing a show tonight?" I'm like, "Fuck yeah. Are you coming?" He's like, "Fuck yeah." And then he comes down and he's doing acid and it's fucking ... He's an animal.

    17. JCJimmy Carr25:54

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan25:54

        He's so fun and he's so good. And it's like for him, it's taken all the negativity out of standup comedy, which is the travel and the weariness. He just leaves his house, drives 15 minutes, he's at the club, does a set, hangs out, we all party and laugh and have fun, and then he leaves. And so he's there three, four nights a week sometimes.

    19. JCJimmy Carr26:15

        That's fantastic.

    20. JRJoe Rogan26:16

        Oh, it's so much fun.

    21. JCJimmy Carr26:17

        I like the travel, I've gotta say. I like the ... I like everything about ... No, I think that thing when you, when you have a job, when you're living your dream, you're doing what you wanna do in life-

    22. JRJoe Rogan26:25

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JCJimmy Carr26:25

        ... I think you, it's, it, it's on you to enjoy all of it.

    24. JRJoe Rogan26:28

        Mm-hmm.

    25. JCJimmy Carr26:29

        So the airport lounges and the delays-

    26. JRJoe Rogan26:31

        Yeah.

    27. JCJimmy Carr26:31

        ... and the, you know, early mornings or whatever, or the flights, the whole thing, you have to embrace it all.

    28. JRJoe Rogan26:35

        Good for you. I'm glad you take that perspective. That's very healthy. Yeah, that's what-

    29. JCJimmy Carr26:38

        Well, I think it's-

    30. JRJoe Rogan26:39

        ... everybody should take.
13. 27:03 – 29:42

    Gratitude

    1. JCJimmy Carr27:03

    2. JRJoe Rogan27:03

       It's such a maligned word because it gets attached to woo-woo bullshit and people wear wooden beads and, you know, it, it gets attached to posing, you know? But I think it's-

    3. JCJimmy Carr27:14

       Yeah.

    4. JRJoe Rogan27:14

       ... it's real.

    5. JCJimmy Carr27:14

       I think gratitude as well is like i- people imagine it's about the, the thing and not the ... Like, the environment-

    6. JRJoe Rogan27:21

       Mm-hmm.

    7. JCJimmy Carr27:22

       ... is the thing we should be grateful for.

    8. JRJoe Rogan27:23

       Yes.

    9. JCJimmy Carr27:23

       Like that we live in this time. You know that Steven Pinker Enlightenment Now book?

    10. JRJoe Rogan27:28

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JCJimmy Carr27:28

        Where you sort of go, well now.

    12. JRJoe Rogan27:30

        Yeah.

    13. JCJimmy Carr27:30

        Now there's like ... I had a hot shower this morning. No one b- ... Before 1930, no one had had one.

    14. JRJoe Rogan27:36

        Right.

    15. JCJimmy Carr27:36

        People didn't know what hot showers were. They washed once a week in cold water.

    16. JRJoe Rogan27:39

        Yeah.

    17. JCJimmy Carr27:39

        Good luck, everyone.

    18. JRJoe Rogan27:41

        I wanna know-

    19. JCJimmy Carr27:41

        And everyone smelled disgusting. Like, the world that we live in now is so fucking great.

    20. JRJoe Rogan27:45

        Yeah.

    21. JCJimmy Carr27:46

        And, and, and w-

    22. JRJoe Rogan27:47

        We just don't appreciate it 'cause we're so accustomed to it.

    23. JCJimmy Carr27:49

        Well, it's that, um ... What do they call that? It's, um, the hedonic treadmill. You get used to the good things really quickly.

    24. JRJoe Rogan27:56

        Yes.

    25. JCJimmy Carr27:57

        A- a- and so you're searching for more. But the, you look around, it's just, it's an extraordinary world of ... The idea that like comedy is a thing at the moment. Imagine if we'd been born in the 1940s where you g- uh, not really-

    26. JRJoe Rogan28:09

        We don't have that.

    27. JCJimmy Carr28:09

        ... comedy's not really ...

    28. JRJoe Rogan28:10

        Yeah.

    29. JCJimmy Carr28:10

        I guess we could have gone on before the band and said something-

    30. JRJoe Rogan28:13

        Yeah.
14. 29:42 – 36:14

    Dick Gregory

    1. JCJimmy Carr29:42

       would love that.

    2. JRJoe Rogan29:43

       Yeah. I would love a documentary on him as well. We, we, we've sang his praises many, many times.

    3. JCJimmy Carr29:48

       Showtime put one out two years ago.

    4. JRJoe Rogan29:49

       Oh, they did?

    5. JCJimmy Carr29:50

       Okay.

    6. JRJoe Rogan29:50

       Oh, The One and Only Dick Gregory, 2021.

    7. JCJimmy Carr29:53

       Wait a second, Showtime have a time machine and they used it ... (laughs)

    8. JRJoe Rogan29:56

       (laughs)

    9. JCJimmy Carr29:56

       They used it to steal this idea?

    10. JRJoe Rogan29:58

        I think so.

    11. JCJimmy Carr29:58

        Motherfuckers.

    12. JRJoe Rogan30:00

        I mean, he was fantastic during the Vietnam War. He was fantastic during the Civil Rights Movement.

    13. JCJimmy Carr30:04

        So, ga- ga- get back to the Kennedy thing. So, he-

    14. JRJoe Rogan30:05

        So, he went on the Geraldo Rivera Show in 1975. And so, this is twel-

    15. JCJimmy Carr30:11

        How old is Geraldo?

    16. JRJoe Rogan30:12

        He's old as fuck.

    17. JCJimmy Carr30:13

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan30:13

        So, but he looked good back then, he looks pretty fucking good now. Um, so, he, Dick Gregory went on and he went on with the Zapruder film, and it was the first time the Zapruder film was ever exposed to the public. So, Geraldo Rivera played the Zapruder film and you see Kennedy grabbing his neck where he got shot-

    19. JCJimmy Carr30:30

        A- a- a-

    20. JRJoe Rogan30:30

        ... from the front.

    21. JCJimmy Carr30:31

        D- and Dick Gregory brought it on?

    22. JRJoe Rogan30:32

        Yes, Dick Gregory brought the film to Geraldo-

    23. JCJimmy Carr30:35

        That is-

    24. JRJoe Rogan30:36

        ... and played it.

    25. JCJimmy Carr30:36

        And our next guest is a comedian. For a bit of light relief, he's gonna show you-

    26. JRJoe Rogan30:40

        Yeah. You wanna play it? Here, we'll play it here.

    27. JCJimmy Carr30:41

        ... th- this Zapruder f- Zapruder film.

    28. NANarrator30:43

        How many concert gigs did you do? How many appearances or talks-

    29. I don't know exactly when on the video he talks about it-

    30. JCJimmy Carr30:47

        Okay.
15. 36:14 – 37:46

    E Howard Hunt

    1. JCJimmy Carr36:14

       Do-

    2. JRJoe Rogan36:14

       Wasn't there a deathbed confession from E. Howard Hunt?

    3. NANarrator36:16

       There was some- I was gonna say there was something, but I don't know.

    4. JRJoe Rogan36:18

       Yeah. I think it was, uh, E. Howard Hunt-

    5. JCJimmy Carr36:21

       Okay.

    6. JRJoe Rogan36:21

       ... who was, uh, one of the people that was supposedly on the grassy knoll. There, there, there was... Uh, Woody Harrelson's father was supposed to be, uh, involved in this too, was apparently a hit man. There was, uh, a- a- according to The Lure: The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt, yeah, the ultimate keeper of secrets regarding who killed G- JFK. And I think-

    7. JCJimmy Carr36:39

       Yeah. That's, that's how you keep a secret, a pipe.

    8. JRJoe Rogan36:41

       (laughs) Uh, he, I think, on his deathbed, he said that he was involved in the, the conspiracy to kill the president. I don't know who was involved. I mean, I think it was probably a bunch of people. There was a lot of people that wanted Kennedy out of there. I mean, he wanted some pretty radical changes. He wanted to disband the intelligence agencies. He thought that secrecy was abhorrent. And he, you know, talked about it openly in this one speech that he gave about secret societies. And, and he-

    9. JCJimmy Carr37:07

       Well, it's, it's odd, that thing. For me, I mean, I'm kind of thinking about maybe doing a bit about this, about saying, look, 'cause it involves two thoughts. You've, you've got to believe the government are... There's a deep state-

    10. JRJoe Rogan37:16

        Mm-hmm.

    11. JCJimmy Carr37:16

        ... that are sort of geniuses and can cover these things up and can, you know, fake a moon landing. And also, the government are idiots. They can't organize anything. And, and, and, what, what-

    12. JRJoe Rogan37:25

        Well, it's different-

    13. JCJimmy Carr37:26

        What I want to do, my thought-

    14. JRJoe Rogan37:26

        The government, you can't say the government, right? Because the government-

    15. JCJimmy Carr37:29

        ... is huge.

    16. JRJoe Rogan37:29

        ... is a blanket. That's like saying drugs. Drugs are bad.

    17. JCJimmy Carr37:32

        Yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan37:32

        Well, I'm drinking coffee and it's not bad. Everybody drinks coffee.

    19. JCJimmy Carr37:35

        But, but that thing of, like, going, "What we need is some of those guys from the deep state over here for a week to deal with the regular shit." We need someone on transit duties.

    20. JRJoe Rogan37:44

        Uh.

    21. JCJimmy Carr37:44

        We need someone from the deep state

16. 37:46 – 43:49

    Jimmy S

    1. JCJimmy Carr37:46

       to look at hospitals.

    2. JRJoe Rogan37:47

       Well, uh, I... In a lot of ways, those are more complex issues than assassinating someone and covering it up. Because back then, again, there's... You'd... It's not like information today where people have... Like, everyone has a cellphone. Like if you... If the Kennedy assassination happened today, there would be footage from 100 different angles.

    3. JCJimmy Carr38:05

       Yes.

    4. JRJoe Rogan38:06

       There'd be so many people there and we would-

    5. JCJimmy Carr38:08

       It's amazing how much there is, really.

    6. JRJoe Rogan38:08

       ... we'd have high-resolution footage. It is amazing. But it was just because he was so important. And back then, you know, there were a few people that were enthusiasts that had their own personal video cameras.

    7. JCJimmy Carr38:16

       And, and, and the thing with, the thing, I guess, with, with conspiracy is it's... Some of it's true. Like the, the biggest conspiracy, I think probably of our lifetime, was pedophilia in the Catholic Church.

    8. JRJoe Rogan38:26

       Yes.

    9. JCJimmy Carr38:26

       Was like... That was... I remember that being talked about when I was a kid and thinking-

    10. JRJoe Rogan38:29

        Well, how about in the UK?

    11. JCJimmy Carr38:30

        ... my mother was crazy.

    12. JRJoe Rogan38:31

        Jimmy Savile.

    13. JCJimmy Carr38:32

        Just-

    14. JRJoe Rogan38:33

        How-

    15. JCJimmy Carr38:33

        ... hiding in plain sight.

    16. JRJoe Rogan38:34

        ... crazy is that? And that guy-

    17. JCJimmy Carr38:37

        It's really crazy.

    18. JRJoe Rogan38:37

        ... looks like a pedophile.

    19. JCJimmy Carr38:39

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan38:39

        I mean, he looked like such a fucking creep.

    21. JCJimmy Carr38:42

        Well, here's, here's the story I heard on Jimmy Savile, which is interesting. He had a big show on TV called Jim'll Fix It.

    22. JRJoe Rogan38:47

        Yeah.

    23. JCJimmy Carr38:47

        Which was him making dreams come true for kids or whatever, you know. They'd write in with a wish-

    24. JRJoe Rogan38:52

        Yeah.

    25. JCJimmy Carr38:52

        ... and he'd make them come true. But he had that nickname before, so he was kind of a fixer. Do you know he invented the, the, the turntable? The, the two, two record players together? The... That turntable?

    26. JRJoe Rogan39:03

        Oh, like for a DJ? Like mixing?

    27. JCJimmy Carr39:04

        For a DJ. He invented the, the dual turntable.

    28. JRJoe Rogan39:07

        Really?

    29. JCJimmy Carr39:07

        Yeah. I mean-

    30. JRJoe Rogan39:08

        So it's not all bad.
17. 43:49 – 45:54

    Priests

    1. JCJimmy Carr43:49

       as an idea.

    2. JRJoe Rogan43:49

       That's interesting because what I had heard was that-

    3. JCJimmy Carr43:51

       'Cause it didn't happen in the Anglican Church.

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:52

       ... they were banging all the women because the priests were rock stars.

    5. JCJimmy Carr43:56

       What?

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:56

       I mean, if you- if you have a community where the priest is literally connected to God, and he's a biological male, and he's horny, and these women worship them-

    7. JCJimmy Carr44:06

       And- and also-

    8. JRJoe Rogan44:07

       ... and came to them for-

    9. JCJimmy Carr44:08

       ... it's- it's the original show business.

    10. JRJoe Rogan44:09

        Yes! Yes.

    11. JCJimmy Carr44:09

        I mean, if we were- if we were doing- if we were who we are in the 13th century, 100% priests.

    12. JRJoe Rogan44:15

        Or jesters.

    13. JCJimmy Carr44:15

        So, I can- I can get up in front of these people and talk to them for an hour a week.

    14. JRJoe Rogan44:19

        Right.

    15. JCJimmy Carr44:20

        Done.

    16. JRJoe Rogan44:20

        Right.

    17. JCJimmy Carr44:21

        Yes, put me down for one of those.

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:22

        Right. And they'd seek guidance from you, you'd get all these accolades. And apparently, they were allowed to have sex with women and they were fucking everybody.

    19. JCJimmy Carr44:30

        Yeah. Well-

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:31

        Just like rock stars-

    21. JCJimmy Carr44:32

        Well, because-

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:32

        ... because they were probably the most popular people in the town.

    23. JCJimmy Carr44:34

        The other thing that tie- and that's very interesting. The other thing that ties it to, um ... Like, there's- there's often been, and it's a very unpleasant thing, but there's often been a conflation between homosexuality and pedophilia, which is so- it's just fucking nonsense.

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:48

        Right, it's nonsense.

    25. JCJimmy Carr44:49

        They're very ... H- it's nonsense, but it- it keeps on kind of rearing its head in a weird way. But there is something with the Catholic Church where it's hard to remember how vilified gay guys were a generation ago.

    26. JRJoe Rogan45:02

        Mm-hmm.

    27. JCJimmy Carr45:02

        Let alone two generations ago.

    28. JRJoe Rogan45:04

        Yeah, but-

    29. JCJimmy Carr45:04

        So-

    30. JRJoe Rogan45:05

        Well, very recently, in the '90s.
18. 45:54 – 47:25

    Age of Consent

    1. JCJimmy Carr45:54

    2. JRJoe Rogan45:54

       Well, there's also- there's a different attitude towards, uh, same-sex, um, minors and adults that is with some people in the gay community. In fact, there was a law that they were trying to pass in California where they were saying that the age of consent being 18 was, in somehow or another, uh, anti-LBGTQ because some-

    3. JCJimmy Carr46:21

       What?

    4. JRJoe Rogan46:21

       Yeah, because some young men sought mentors in older gay men, some young men who are gay.

    5. JCJimmy Carr46:27

       I mean, that sounds like some-

    6. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       Wasn't there- there was a- was his ... Klein? Is that what his name? There's a- a- a politician in California that was very controversial because he was promoting this.

    7. JCJimmy Carr46:36

       Very controversial 'cause he's promoting pedophilia.

    8. JRJoe Rogan46:38

       Well, and he's-

    9. JCJimmy Carr46:39

       Yes. Yeah, that's gonna be controversial.

    10. JRJoe Rogan46:40

        Well, I think his idea was like 16 and 17-year-old boys, and that that should be okay. Which is, you know, it gets-

    11. JCJimmy Carr46:47

        I- I think those-

    12. JRJoe Rogan46:47

        ... it gets very sketchy because-

    13. JCJimmy Carr46:48

        That sounds ... Uh, it also ... Let's wind it back. Here's something that we could do, right? Here's something we could start a campaign for. Those laws about, you know ... Uh, the age of consent in the UK is 16.

    14. JRJoe Rogan46:59

        Yeah.

    15. JCJimmy Carr46:59

        But those laws should be for 17 and 18-year-old boys.

    16. JRJoe Rogan47:03

        Yes.

    17. JCJimmy Carr47:03

        They shouldn't apply to us.

    18. JRJoe Rogan47:05

        Yes, right. It shouldn't apply to a 55-year-old man.

    19. JCJimmy Carr47:07

        It- it- so, Romeo and Juliet-

    20. JRJoe Rogan47:08

        Right.

    21. JCJimmy Carr47:08

        ... no- uh, law, I think they have it in New York. They have it in certain states where you go, "Yeah, that's the age of consent is 16 for her, and that guy who's 17, and it's her boyfriend, and they've kno- come up at school together."

    22. JRJoe Rogan47:18

        Makes sense, yeah.

    23. JCJimmy Carr47:18

        That makes sense. And then at 18, maybe, "Okay, go and do whatever you're gonna do."

    24. JRJoe Rogan47:24

        Right. I remember

19. 47:25 – 51:16

    Sex Offenders

    1. JRJoe Rogan47:25

       when I was-

    2. JCJimmy Carr47:25

       That would make a lot more sense to me.

    3. JRJoe Rogan47:26

       ... 18 years old. When I turned 18, my girlfriend was a year younger than me, and she was 17. And I was terrified that I was going to go to jail because I was- I was a legal adult, and she was n- still a child.

    4. JCJimmy Carr47:41

       Right.

    5. JRJoe Rogan47:41

       B- even though we started dating when, uh, I was 16, or I was- I was ... Yeah, no, I was 17 and she was 16. And then when I turned 18, I was like, "Oh, my God." Like, "Could I get in jail for this?" I remember thinking that. Like, "Is this illegal?"

    6. JCJimmy Carr47:57

       Wow.

    7. JRJoe Rogan47:57

       Like, 'cause it kind of technically is.I think if you're dating a girl like that, I mean this is 1985. So, Sa- so Gavin Newsom signed a law that could give judges a say on whether to list someone as a sex offender for having oral or aner- anal sex with a minor. The bill would expand-

    8. JCJimmy Carr48:14

       What?

    9. JRJoe Rogan48:14

       ... discretion currently granted judges in statutory rape charges as promoted by bringing fairness under the law to LBGTQ defendants. The current law, in place for decades, permits judges to decide whether a man should be placed on California's sex offender registry if he had voluntary intercourse with someone from 14 to 17 years old and was no more than 10 years older than the person.

    10. JCJimmy Carr48:38

        Right. I'm, I'm, I don't wanna-

    11. JRJoe Rogan48:39

        Yeah.

    12. JCJimmy Carr48:39

        ... I don't wanna come to your show and be all controversial, but I think broadly speaking, don't be a pedophile. There you go.

    13. JRJoe Rogan48:44

        Right. I think that's a good thing to say. But that discretion says only apply to a man who had vaginal intercourse. The new law changes permits, uh, uh, change, the new change rather permits judges to use the same discretion when the case involves voluntary oral or anal sex. The measure won't apply when a minor is under 14, when the gap is larger-

    14. JCJimmy Carr49:05

        (laughs)

    15. JRJoe Rogan49:05

        ... than 10 years, or when either party says the sex wasn't consensual. The law does not change the age of consent in California, which is 18. Adults caused, caused, caught having sex with minors will still face statutory rape charges. Yeah, Scott Wiener, that's the guy. San Francisco democrat. So this guy-

    16. JCJimmy Carr49:23

        Great name. Great name for a guy.

    17. JRJoe Rogan49:24

        Yeah. Isn't it funny how those Wiener guys keep getting in trouble? Anthony Wiener, Scott Wiener.

    18. JCJimmy Carr49:28

        Yeah.

    19. JRJoe Rogan49:28

        Um, so-

    20. JCJimmy Carr49:28

        Nominal t- determinism, it's a thing, right?

    21. JRJoe Rogan49:30

        It's, it's like the simulation theory, it's like the universe is playing little jokes on you. It's like-

    22. JCJimmy Carr49:34

        Yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan49:36

        ... uh, but this guy, like there's photos of this guy at gay pride parades, like wearing a dog collar, like you know, he's-

    24. JCJimmy Carr49:43

        I mean that's, I- I- I've got zero problem with that.

    25. JRJoe Rogan49:44

        ... but he's also, I don't have a problem with that. Yeah.

    26. JCJimmy Carr49:46

        I've got zero problem with that. I've got a problem with him saying-

    27. NANarrator49:48

        There's this quote on it, I think the article continued, I didn't read it.

    28. JRJoe Rogan49:50

        "The law ends discrimination by treating LBGTQ young people the exact same way that straight young people have been treated since 1944," Wiener said in a statement, adding, "Today California took yet another step towards equitable society." So what that seems to me is like there was a law already in place giving judges discretion, but it was only for vaginal sex and he thought that it should apply to oral and anal sex.

    29. JCJimmy Carr50:11

        Yeah.

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:12

        It seems like the law is the issue, right? Because 10 years old, like if someone's 26 and the other person's 16, like (groans) or 15 and 25 (groans) , that's cra-
20. 51:16 – 54:39

    Sexual Equality

    1. JRJoe Rogan51:16

       That seems s- especially men and women. I mean, if it's a 21-year-old man and a 30-year-old woman has sex with you, she's gonna be brought up on charges, that's insane.

    2. JCJimmy Carr51:24

       Yeah. You had that great bit about that.

    3. JRJoe Rogan51:26

       Yeah. I said there's no-

    4. JCJimmy Carr51:27

       That's a great bit of yours.

    5. JRJoe Rogan51:28

       ... sexual equality when it comes to child molesting.

    6. JCJimmy Carr51:30

       Yeah. That's very funny.

    7. JRJoe Rogan51:31

       I said because a grown man can molest a 16-year-old girl, but a grown woman can't really molest a 16-year-old boy, she can only let him fuck her.

    8. JCJimmy Carr51:38

       Great bit.

    9. JRJoe Rogan51:39

       Like, what's the worst thing that happened? You found out about something awesome early? Like poor Billy got his dick sucked by the hot teacher.

    10. JCJimmy Carr51:46

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan51:46

        He's never gonna recover.

    12. JCJimmy Carr51:48

        It's a very good-

    13. JRJoe Rogan51:49

        (laughs) Thank you.

    14. JCJimmy Carr51:49

        It's a v- and, uh, we're not denigrating the suffering of-

    15. JRJoe Rogan51:51

        No! No.

    16. JCJimmy Carr51:52

        ... men that have been molested, but yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan51:53

        No, no, no, no. But it's always like-

    18. JCJimmy Carr51:54

        Dmitri Martin had a great line on that as well.

    19. JRJoe Rogan51:56

        Um-

    20. JCJimmy Carr51:56

        He said s- about some guy that fucked his teacher and Dmitri said, "Yeah, he died. He got high-fived to death."

    21. JRJoe Rogan52:01

        I think that was Zach Galifianakis.

    22. JCJimmy Carr52:03

        Was that Zach?

    23. JRJoe Rogan52:04

        I think so.

    24. JCJimmy Carr52:05

        I think it's Dmitri.

    25. JRJoe Rogan52:06

        He might be right.

    26. JCJimmy Carr52:07

        I'll double down. I mean those guys are both phenomenal writers.

    27. JRJoe Rogan52:09

        Both brilliant. I think it might've been Galifianakis but, uh, either way, great joke. But it's, uh, (laughs) high-fived to death. But it's, you know, there, it's a difference, there's a difference and it's also the difference in how we ... It's unfortunate, but there's a d- there's a pre- there's a prejudice about women having sex versus men having sex, that w- with a woman is being taken advantage of by the man, like that they don't have agency. Whereas the man is the pursuer and the predator. And so there's, there's an aspect of that that goes along with it, you know, th- that a male ... Like we, we don't think of a 16-year-old boy having sex with a hot 30-year-old woman as like that boy being molested. We just don't.

    28. JCJimmy Carr52:56

        Yeah. Well that's, I suppose, you know, increasingly, you know, we will. I haven't given it a lot of thought, but it's, it does strike me that that thing of like agency and being 18 and being a, a grownup in society.

    29. JRJoe Rogan53:05

        Yeah.

    30. JCJimmy Carr53:06

        I suppose the problem is, that thing, that, what's that book, um, is it Jonathan Haidt, The Coddling of the American Mind?
21. 54:39 – 1:07:02

    Student Loans

    1. JCJimmy Carr54:39

    2. JRJoe Rogan54:39

       And it's also-

    3. JCJimmy Carr54:39

       There's a little bit of that.

    4. JRJoe Rogan54:40

       ... the different levels of experience of people that are 16 and 17 years old. Like, when I was in high school, uh, the first girlfriend that I had, she had a single mom, and she was essentially on her own and left to roam around from the time she was very young. And she had been going to concerts when she was 12 and 13 years old, and she'd already had sex before I had, d- I had. Like, she was y- a year younger than me, and when we met, uh, I was a virgin and she wasn't. And so, it was, it was, you know, she was m- more worldly and mature than I was. Like, she knew how to go-

    5. JCJimmy Carr55:13

       Yeah.

    6. JRJoe Rogan55:13

       ... to concerts. She knew how-

    7. JCJimmy Carr55:14

       Well, the-

    8. JRJoe Rogan55:14

       ... to get backstage and meet people.

    9. JCJimmy Carr55:15

       The i- the idea that we're saying, you know, at age like 18, every 18-year-old, "Oh, that's just a-"

    10. JRJoe Rogan55:19

        Yeah.

    11. JCJimmy Carr55:19

        "... solid state. Everyone's the same." No, everyone's different.

    12. JRJoe Rogan55:22

        Very different.

    13. JCJimmy Carr55:22

        I mean, everyone comes to it from a very different perspective.

    14. JRJoe Rogan55:25

        Sure.

    15. JCJimmy Carr55:25

        People mature at different speeds. It's very, I mean, there's, there'll be young people listening to this as well. It's that thing where it seems like such a race when you're young-

    16. JRJoe Rogan55:31

        Yes.

    17. JCJimmy Carr55:31

        ... to, to kinda, to get there, to do everything.

    18. JRJoe Rogan55:34

        To be grown up.

    19. JCJimmy Carr55:34

        And you feel like you need to make all the decisions-

    20. JRJoe Rogan55:38

        Yeah.

    21. JCJimmy Carr55:38

        ... when you're 19, uh, "Okay, which college degree? What am I gonna do in life?"

    22. JRJoe Rogan55:42

        Yes.

    23. JCJimmy Carr55:43

        "Wha- what am I gonna..." Uh, uh, it's a panic.

    24. JRJoe Rogan55:45

        Well, that's what so predatory about America, 'cause that's when student loans come in and you get shackled up with these student loans that you can never get out of debt with. Student loans in America, I don't know how you have it in the UK, we g- well, you have free healthc- or free education, right?

    25. JCJimmy Carr55:59

        No, we, we used to have free education. So, when I went to college, it was free. You had to pay for your kinda bed and board, and it was free. I went to university, I got a, uh, a free education. It feels ridiculous that we let that go.

    26. JRJoe Rogan56:13

        Hm.

    27. JCJimmy Carr56:13

        And, and, and maybe-

    28. JRJoe Rogan56:14

        It does feel ridiculous.

    29. JCJimmy Carr56:14

        ... maybe it's like i- okay, so it's, it's t- if it's too expensive, then I can see an argument to say, "Well, on academic merit, we cut the number of places until we can afford for it to be free."

    30. JRJoe Rogan56:27

        Yes.

Episode duration: 2:48:21