Joe Rogan Experience #2049 - Coleman Hughes

1. 0:00 – 15:00

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   1. NANarrator0:00

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   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night! All day! (instrumental music) What's up? Good to see you, man. What's cracking?

   4. CHColeman Hughes0:16

      Yeah, you too. I'm good. I can't complain.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      We were just talking about, uh, you live in New York City.

   6. CHColeman Hughes0:20

      Yes.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      And whether or not the migrant crisis is a, a real thing.

   8. CHColeman Hughes0:23

      It's a real thing.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:24

      That you notice it.

   10. CHColeman Hughes0:24

       It's a real thing. You notice it, uh, uh, in Port Authority. And, uh, I think when Eric Adams gets in front of the country and says, "I can't handle this," I think he's telling the truth.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:35

       (laughs)

   12. CHColeman Hughes0:36

       Right? Uh, and some people have accused him of racism, bizarrely, but I don't think it comes from that. I looked into this, and, you know, the part people don't know about this story is, is really the full unfolding of it goes back to the 1930s. New York State made a constitutional amendment to the state constitution which provi- w- which required the state to provide housing for, for the homeless, essentially, and it was sort of vaguely worded. So, in the '80s and '90s, the, the courts in New York began interpreting that more and more strictly. Almost no other state... I'm not sure if any other state actually has something in its state constitution, uh, requiring that, that kind of a thing. So, basically, what happened is, is the judges ended up interpreting this more strictly. Obviously, the original purpose of this is for New Yorkers that are homeless to be housed. But they ended up interpreting it so strictly that when the Republican governors in Texas and Florida began sending a few thousand migrants up to New York City as kind of an F you to the liberal cities that have declared themselves sanctuary cities without actually having to deal with the kind of border crisis that Texas does, a few... The first few thousand found that, legally, New York had to house them. And then word got down to Mexico that if you make it to New York City, you will not be turned away. Legally, you don't even have to be a ci- a citizen for the state amendment to apply to you. So, what began as a few, let's say, the first 10 or 15,000 were sent by the Republican governors as a kind of political tactic, has now become tens and tens and tens and tens of thousand coming of their own volition to New York City, and it's the only state in the country where th- uh, Mayor Adams has no legal recourse to send people elsewhere. He, he actually cannot do it. He's tried to do executive orders, but he legally can't because it's in the state constitution. It's above his, it's above his power.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:53

       (laughs)

   14. CHColeman Hughes2:53

       And now, it's its own... It's, it's, it's, uh, it's taken on a life of its own way over and above what the Republican governors started. So, it's, uh... This is why he's going to the national media and literally saying, "I can't do anything about this. I'm trying to do something about this, but I can't, and we're putting people up in Airbnbs for, you know, $100 a, a, a night, and the city will be bankrupt in X number of years if we don't find a solution to this."

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       Oh, my God (laughs) .

   16. CHColeman Hughes3:21

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       I was looking at a video of the Roosevelt Hotel, which is no longer a hotel.

   18. CHColeman Hughes3:28

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       Th- they've essentially said this is now, uh, a center for housing migrants.

   20. CHColeman Hughes3:33

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:34

       And they, they've said the restaurant is no longer a restaurant, and sorry, that's just how it is now.

   22. CHColeman Hughes3:40

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:41

       I mean, what do you do if you own the Roosevelt Hotel and you just wanted it to be a hotel, and now-

   24. CHColeman Hughes3:47

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:47

       ... the state just says, "Nope"?

   26. CHColeman Hughes3:49

       Yeah. I mean, look, I, I don't blame any of these people. If you (laughs) -

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:52

       Oh.

   28. CHColeman Hughes3:52

       ... if I was born in Mexico-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:54

       100%.

   30. CHColeman Hughes3:54

       ... we'd all be doing the same thing.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   No, how, what, what…

   1. CHColeman Hughes15:00

      police brutality videos and he says, "You know, I, I give half of them to CNN and half of them to Fox."

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:07

      No, how, what, what does, what do you mean?

   3. CHColeman Hughes15:08

      I mean, he has this hilarious skit where he's, he, he, he's like to cameramen essentially, to media organizations, like, "What do you do with that other half of the footage?" Right? "You shouldn't just waste it. You should give it to the other side." Right? "So give the videos of, of, of police officers beating up protestors, you give that to CNN, and you give the videos of rioters burning down mom and pop shops to, uh, give that to Fox." Right? And he, he, it's, it's almost like an infomercial for how he doesn't waste any bit of the animal when he cooks the food, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:40

      (laughs)

   5. CHColeman Hughes15:40

      It, it's, it's very funny.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      It's just, it's a failure. I mean, uh, actual journalism should be unbiased, objective people discussing what is actually going on. And that, that is definitely not the case, and that's part of what we're running into. And, you know, when it comes to the, the COVID deaths, (sighs) I mean, so many factors were never discussed. And one of the big ones that seems to affect the African American community more than other people is vitamin D deficiencies.

   7. CHColeman Hughes16:09

      Mm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:10

      The reason why there's so much melanin in African American skin is 'cause people in Africa deal with very hot climates and direct contact to sunlight.

   9. CHColeman Hughes16:18

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       And so they have protection from that. The reason why people became white is 'cause they moved to areas that are covered with clouds-

   11. CHColeman Hughes16:25

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       ... like England. And the, it's not a fucking coincidence that people there is pale, are pale as paper.

   13. CHColeman Hughes16:30

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       It's because they're, they're basically a solar panel for vitamin D.

   15. CHColeman Hughes16:34

       Mm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       Their body's trying to produce more vitamin D, and the way to do that is to produce less melanin.

   17. CHColeman Hughes16:39

       Interesting.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       And my friend who is a doctor in New York City said that when he was a doctor and he would find sick people that would come to the hospital and he would test them for levels of vitamin D, he would find oftentimes undetectable levels of vitamin D in some African Americans who weren't supplementing and weren't getting sun exposure. And he's like, "It is catastrophic for your health."

   19. CHColeman Hughes17:03

       Mm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:03

       "It's catastrophic for your immune system." And none of this was ever discussed, of course, because we were, there was a binary solution. Like, it was this experimental MN... mRNA vaccine or nothing.

   21. CHColeman Hughes17:15

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       And any other solution was conspiracy theory, foolishness, anything else to improve your health. Even on top of that vaccine, even saying, "Yes, you should v- get vaccinated, but also you should lose weight, also you should take vitamins and you should exercise and you should eat better and-"

   23. CHColeman Hughes17:34

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:35

       "... don't drink, don't smoke, do these things that are gonna improve your overall metabolic health." There was zero of that, because it wasn't journalism. It was all promoted by people who are advertising on these mainstream media platforms, and that was what it is, and that's what we're dealing with. And again, it's good and it is bad. The good thing is it's led people, I think, to have the lowest level of trust ever in mainstream media in our lifetimes.

   25. CHColeman Hughes18:05

       Mm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:05

       I mean, w- there was a recent, uh, CNN ratings poll where it said they got like 43,000 people-

   27. CHColeman Hughes18:13

       Mm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:13

       ... watching CNN, which is insane. I mean, that is like...That's, like, an average comedian with 100,000 followers real.

   29. CHColeman Hughes18:24

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:24

       You know?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Right. …

   1. CHColeman Hughes30:00

      I think people should be... This is my problem. When Rand Paul is aggressively pressing Fauci about conflicts of interest in Congress, journalists should be like, "This guy's doing our job. We're supposed to be doing this." Instead, they label him...... as, as some kind of bad person. Journalists are supposed to aggressively police the government. And when you don't do that, you end up getting, uh, yeah, you get- get- getting people doing the job for you, and they may not do it perfectly and they may overstep, but shouldn't the- shouldn't the response be, "How come mainstream journalism isn't pressing Fauci like that?" We should have done it and we should have done it 10 times harder and more precisely than Rand Paul did it. Right? That- that should be the response, not-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:46

      Right.

   3. CHColeman Hughes30:47

      ... Rand Paul is a conspiracy theorist.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:48

      But the problem is money. The problem is when you look at the incredible amount of money that the pharmaceutical drug companies spend on advertising, they essentially have control of the narrative. Whether people are directly told not to discuss these things, it is most certainly on the table, that they know that there'll be repercussions.

   5. CHColeman Hughes31:10

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:11

      And so they don't- they don't report on them. Look, if you look at the Purdue Pharma crisis, have you seen the, uh, Netflix documentary, uh, Painkiller?

   7. CHColeman Hughes31:18

      I saw the- I s-

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:19

      Well, it's, uh, not documentary. It's like a docudrama series.

   9. CHColeman Hughes31:21

      I saw the Hulu version.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       I ha- I didn't see that one.

   11. CHColeman Hughes31:24

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       That's Dopesick, right?

   13. CHColeman Hughes31:25

       Yeah. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:25

       That- that one's excellent too.

   15. CHColeman Hughes31:26

       It was great.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:27

       But when they show how it's captured by money, and when they show that they clearly knew that this was... It's an opiate and th- they are addictive, and yet they somehow or another use the language, "Many believe," or, "Some believe." What was the exact wording? "Some believe it is not addictive." Like, who the fuck uses that for something that's going to be prescribed to millions of people? That's insanity.

   17. CHColeman Hughes31:57

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:57

       And it turns out, "Oh my God, it's very addictive." "Oh my God, it caused a- a massive opiate crisis that didn't exist anywhere else in the world."

   19. CHColeman Hughes32:04

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       The United States had this opioid crisis that d- there w- it was unparalleled. There was nothing like it anywhere else in the world, and it was directly because of the influence that these massive companies had, the amount of money they were spreading around-

   21. CHColeman Hughes32:21

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       ... the revolving door between the FDA and these pharmaceutical drug companies, and the repercussions on millions of Americans. Who knows how many people died of overdoses? Who man- who knows how many families are wrecked? How many lives were lost, just destroyed by addiction from something that was prescribed to them as being safe and effective by doctors?

   23. CHColeman Hughes32:41

       Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, it's- it's insane. I- I- I know a few months ago, the City of San Francisco, uh, I believe, won a lawsuit against Walgreens for, it might have been hundreds of millions. I can check exactly. And in- in the report, in the, uh, discovery for the lawsuit, they were just talking about the sheer number of doctors who were found to be corruptly prescribing. It wasn't like one or two doctors. It was- it was a number that was so high that I- uh, uh, that I remember thinking, I mean, h- how can- how can a person that reads this really trust their doctor after reading this, right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan33:25

       Yeah.

   25. CHColeman Hughes33:26

       Um, it's-

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:27

       Well, you have to have a good doctor. Unfortunately, most doctors are captured as well-

   27. CHColeman Hughes33:31

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:31

       ... in- in including researchers. And that's one of the things we... Did you read, uh, RFK Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fauci?

   29. CHColeman Hughes33:37

       Yeah, I did. I did.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:38

       What did you think of that book?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. Um, but, so…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      a lot of that, I'm sure.

   2. CHColeman Hughes45:00

      Yeah. Um, but, so for example, on the money end, I was, uh, I was astounded that it was not widely reported and that you have to get to someone like RFK Jr. to tell you this, that the NIAID had a financial stake in the Moderna vaccine. In other words-

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      Yeah. Well, how much money did they make off of it?

   4. CHColeman Hughes45:21

      Uh, one of the payments was, like, several hundred million dollars. That was one lump-sum payment.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:25

      Well, that's not enough to affect the way people think. That's not eno-

   6. CHColeman Hughes45:28

      You don't think so?

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:28

      No. That's not enough, uh, to affect the way- I'm kidding. (laughs)

   8. CHColeman Hughes45:32

      (laughs) I couldn't tell, I couldn't tell the-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:33

      I'm sorry, I-

   10. CHColeman Hughes45:34

       ... I was like, "What the fuck?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       I can't help myself. (laughs) It's just so crazy-

   12. CHColeman Hughes45:37

       I think one, one, one lump-sum payment-

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       ... that hundreds of millions of dollars-

   14. CHColeman Hughes45:38

       ... was, like, $400 million.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       Oh, that's not that much.

   16. CHColeman Hughes45:41

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       That's not that much. That's just, uh, uh, you know, just a little taste.

   18. CHColeman Hughes45:44

       Right. So, when I see the director of the NIAID, Anthony Fauci, former director talk about the Moderna vaccine, should, as a journalist, should my default be to trust everything he says because he's the government? Or, should I say, "He may be conflicted. Let's, let's do what great journalism does and pressure-test everything he says."

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       Yeah.

   20. CHColeman Hughes46:08

       Demand the documents on everything he says. And what he says may, may turn out to be right. I don't assume it's wrong-

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:14

       Right.

   22. CHColeman Hughes46:14

       ... but, but y-... That should be the job of mainstream journalists is to pressure-test everything. When you don't do it, my point is, it's left to the RFK Jrs. of the world, who end up getting certain things very wrong, because they're-

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       That's not what they do.

   24. CHColeman Hughes46:28

       ... one person.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:29

       Right.

   26. CHColeman Hughes46:29

       It's not what they do. And, and so for example, there was, there were, uh, uh... Like I told you, I was really going through all the claims in RFK Jr.'s book because some of them are just incr- insane, turn out to be true, some of them are insane, turn out not to be true.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:42

       What did you find that wasn't true?

   28. CHColeman Hughes46:44

       So, for example, he said that... He s- cited a study, he said that the, uh, the, uh, diptheria, uh, the DTP vaccine in the 1970s hurt or killed 1 out of 300 kids. So, I clicked on the study. I read every single sentence of the study twice down. There was nothing in there that said 1, 1 in 300 or, or anything to it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       What did, what was the data that they gave?

   30. CHColeman Hughes47:06

       It didn't, it, uh, it didn't even give a clear number, and the numbers you could piece together were orders of magnitude smaller than that.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Well, that all connects…

   1. CHColeman Hughes1:00:00

      of, of Hamas and Iran, they think this is a, this is a last chance, kind of. "We have to attack now, kill this deal, or, uh, we're dead forever." And they planned this thing meticulously for, for two years, intentionally lulling the Israelis to sleep, and, um, they, they have brilliant success, much more success than they expected to. Now some people have said it's an inside job. I don't believe it is. I think if it is, we'll know that from reporting, um, that comes out in the next two years. But at this point, I believe the theory that it was an incredibly successful attack by Hamas and a perfect storm.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      Well, that all connects and makes sense, if that's the case. What's terrifying is there doesn't seem... What, what's always terrified me about the Middle East is that there doesn't seem to be a clear way to resolve this. I mean, if Saudi Arabia and Iran or, or, or rather, uh, Israel came to some sort of an agreement and made peace and, uh, and were able to establish that long term, that'd be a great step in the right direction. But other than that...Like, when you look at what's happened now, oh my God, the rhetoric from both sides, it's- it's just... Didn't we learn anything from World War II? Didn't we learn anything from the Holocaust? Didn't we learn anything from human beings' ability to other human beings, to just turn them into a thing that's not them-

   3. CHColeman Hughes1:01:29

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:29

      ... dehumanize them? And that there's this impulse to do so that existed forever. Because when we were tribal people that probably barely had a language, you had to be absolutely terrified of r- marauding male tribes that came over your border and wanted to kill you and take your resources and steal your women, 'cause that's what they did. And so, we have this ability to look at other human beings as an other and get v- ruthless and horrifyingly violent, because that was the only way for us to survive for thousands of years. So, it's ingrained in our system. But it's- it's... Now, it exists in the context of global war, and it- and it exists-

   5. CHColeman Hughes1:02:17

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:02:17

      ... in a time where you can manipulate media and spread false narratives, and governments are allowed to use propaganda. They're allowed to lie to people if t- if it's for the overall better good of the nation. It's wild. A- And that's the root of the issue. The root of the issue is how every human being sort of reluctantly admits that there's almost no way to stop all wars. Right now, if you- if you had a magic solution to stop all wars in the world, what would it be? It doesn't exist. That's terrifying, 'cause the thing that we are scared of the most is global thermonuclear war, the thing that everybody should be the most terrified of, that we get so stupid that we wipe every human being off the face of the planet. And we're more than capable of doing it some insane number of times over.

   7. CHColeman Hughes1:03:14

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:03:14

      And that they're playing with the very first steps of that game. They've moved the first pawn out onto the chessboard of the global thermonuclear war chess game. That is-

   9. CHColeman Hughes1:03:28

      Who?

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:03:28

       ... fucking the world.

   11. CHColeman Hughes1:03:29

       Who is that? Yeah, yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:03:30

       Everybody. Every single nation-

   13. CHColeman Hughes1:03:32

       Okay, so...

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:03:32

       ... that's involved in any, every conflict and ev- all these people controlling resources over a group of gigantic people with their-

   15. CHColeman Hughes1:03:39

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:03:39

       ... their representative, and they're saying, "These people are the bad people," and they're saying, "You're the bad people," that's- it's just like human beings have always done. It's p- like, literally a part of our system.

   17. CHColeman Hughes1:03:49

       So, I- I agree with you that we are built and hardwired for deep levels of violence. We- we- s-... Those of us that have been lucky enough to live in safety and security, we may not realize the violence we're capable of because we've never had to survive it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:07

       Right.

   19. CHColeman Hughes1:04:07

       Right? But I do believe that there is a difference. You mentioned the lessons of World War II, right? We were capable of violence. Hitler was capable of violence. But we were not the same as Hitler.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:04:20

       Right.

   21. CHColeman Hughes1:04:20

       There was, uh, an imperative for us to defeat him at almost any cost, and we did horrible things in that war. But people understand that there was a good side and there was an evil side.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:34

       Yes.

   23. CHColeman Hughes1:04:35

       Now, I don't know if you or most of your listeners feel this way about Israel, but I do. I think that in this situation, Israel is the good guy and Hamas is the evil guy. I think some people feel Hamas is just, um, acting like anyone would if you had taken their land and they're- they're freedom fighters that go a little bit overboard. I don't think that's what they are. I think they are a death cult that really believes what they write in their charter in the late '80s, that they want to annihilate every single Jew in Israel and replace it with an Islamic state, and eventually have a state like ISIS. And that what they did on October 7th with the, you know, the- the barbaric slaughter, that- that's the point for them. That is what they want to do to all of Israel. And the difference is that Israel, uh, though- though like the American army, it's just like there's been many excesses, uh, much to criticize. If Israel wanted to annihilate Hamas and the Palestinians the same way Hamas wanted- wants to annihilate Israel, Hamas would be gone and there would be no Palestinians in Gaza. We know that Israel could obliterate them overnight. Why don't they? Well, for mixed reasons, but because they don't want to. They want to live in peace fundamentally. And so, I don't think the two sides are equivalent here, though they're both capable of that- that universal among humans, which is cruelty. I don't think these two sides are the same. I really think this is a situation where there is a good guy and a bad guy.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:06:23

       What solution could possibly be created that would somehow or another calm this down at this point? After that attack, it's so horrifying, but then the response is horrifying, too, where who knows how many civilians have died in Gaza.

   25. CHColeman Hughes1:06:44

       Yeah. Uh-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:44

       The- so we're terrified of both. And then there's this narrative that... What was the thing with the hospital?

   27. CHColeman Hughes1:06:52

       Oh, yeah. So, this has been going on the past 48 hours. Basically, what happened- (laughs) what happened is the entire media, the- the Gaza Health Ministry, which is run by Hamas, said that Israel just bombed a hospital and killed 500 people.... the entire media ran with the story. New York Times, BBC, everyone said, "500 Killed in Israeli Air Strike on Hospital." And obviously, this is monstrous if so, right? This is, why would Israel bomb a hospital? Israel is known to have at least a policy of not bombing hospitals because Israel feels that it wants to generally respect what a war crime is, right? That's the policy at least. So, this, this went viral. Uh, then it turned out, actually most likely i- it actually turned out 100% the hospital wasn't bombed. It was the parking lot next to the hospital. So, that was the first ina- inaccuracy in the story. Then it turned out, it's very, very unlikely to be an Israeli air strike and was almost certainly not a Hamas rocket, but a Palestinian Islamic Jihad, this is the other Palestinian terror group in Gaza. They launched a bunch of rockets. One of them was a dud and landed in the hospital parking lot. And, uh, and this, this is on video. Al Jazeera showed the video by accident, uh, and, and that's how it, that's how it's, part of how it's been confirmed.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:08:19

       What do you mean by accident?

   29. CHColeman Hughes1:08:21

       So, they were, they were showing this in real time, I think it happened at s- like, 6:59 exactly. It was either 6:49 or 6:59. They were showing live footage of, uh, or, or footage they had, they had just taken of hom- of a bunch of rockets leaving the Gaza Strip to go to Israel. And one of the rockets you could see, it was, it was screwy. It kind of blew up and then you see a big explosion in Gaza.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:08:45

       Hmm.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:22:39

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      and I, I side with a lot of what they think about the inequality of the world. I just have different solutions than them. And my solution is not redistribution of wealth. My solution is figure out what's wrong with communities and rebuild them. The fact that we have these impoverished communities and that we've never spent any, like, real engineering and money to try to solve these crisises that have led to so many people coming out of these places and just being fucked from the jump, and having no examples of people living good lives, no examples of people that aren't involved in crime, and just being swarmed by negativity and-

   2. CHColeman Hughes1:15:34

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:34

      ... bad influences constantly, and the fact that we expect these people to rise past that is complete and total insanity.

   4. CHColeman Hughes1:15:41

      I agree.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:42

      And almost always-

   6. CHColeman Hughes1:15:43

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:43

      ... perpetrated by people that, just like you were talking about, people that have experienced peace most of their life-

   8. CHColeman Hughes1:15:47

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:47

      ... they have no idea that violence is inside of them or what violence really is. It's the same sort of thing. It's people that grew up where they really didn't ever have to worry about money, you know, maybe they weren't rich but they weren't starving to death, they, they didn't have to worry about someone shooting them every day or killing their parents when they were on the way home from working or whatever the fuck the problem was. But for a large percentage of what we supposedly think of as a community, which is the United States, we should think of ourselves as a big community, we've ignored people that are fucked. It's like there's, there's places that are just fucked, and y- we have to do something to fix that. If you don't do something to fix that, you're g- gonna keep this disparity, you're gonna keep this problem-

   10. CHColeman Hughes1:16:28

       Mm-hmm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:16:28

       ... and the problem is far more, it's, it's more solv- solvable than so many other things that we try to tackle. Like, we're trying to figure out how to cool the Earth down.

   12. CHColeman Hughes1:16:38

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:16:38

       (laughs) Like, like, that's great too, but let's fucking figure out how to make the country a better place instead of just, like, just saying, "The rich people are the problem," so there's-

   14. CHColeman Hughes1:16:51

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:16:51

       ... yeah, there's a lot of problems with rich people, there's a lot of-

   16. CHColeman Hughes1:16:54

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:16:54

       ... problems with influence, there's a lot of problems with people that have the ability to change laws and people that have the ability to sell you things that they know will kill you, they know are gonna kill a certain number of you-

   18. CHColeman Hughes1:17:05

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:17:05

       ... and they can still sell 'em to you.

   20. CHColeman Hughes1:17:06

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:17:06

       They can just say, "Hey, we, we," s- some may believe it's not addictive.

   22. CHColeman Hughes1:17:11

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:17:11

       Yay! And then they cut it loose.

   24. CHColeman Hughes1:17:14

       Well, here's the thing, you know, people like to throw money at a- at every problem-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:17:17

       Yes.

   26. CHColeman Hughes1:17:18

       ... but they don't love to see how the money is being spent. So f- for example, uh, we could use Hamas as the example, so much money has been thrown at the Gaza Strip and they use it, instead of to build buildings and build water pipes, they dig up the water pipes and build rockets to, to go to Israel, right? But you could also (laughs) , you can make this-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:17:39

       They use the water pipes as rockets?

   28. CHColeman Hughes1:17:40

       Yeah. They, they, they make pipes into rockets.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:17:43

       No way.

   30. CHColeman Hughes1:17:43

       Yeah. Yeah. There's a, they, they have a video, uh, one of their own propaganda videos where they show themselves doing this. Um, uh, billions of dollars has been, ha- billions, has been thrown by, by, by Europe, by America at helping the Gazans, uh, because they are living in conditions that are indescribably horrible. Just, it, third world doesn't even justify how, how Gazans are living but they're living under a, uh, uh, a terrorist party that actually doesn't care whether they live or die because any Palestinian that dies from an Israeli airstrike, they go straight to heaven according to, to Hamas. So Hamas, and they genuinely believe this, this is what I think people in the West, they don't remember what it's like to truly believe in religion because-

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