Joe Rogan Experience #2054 - Elon Musk

1. 0:00 – 15:00

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   4. EMElon Musk0:14

      Oh yeah, there's me with my dog pool.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Yeah. (laughs) It's that one.

   6. EMElon Musk0:17

      It's like looking in the mirror.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      Have you seen that before?

   8. EMElon Musk0:21

      (laughs) Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Did people get you one of those?

   10. EMElon Musk0:22

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       He's awesome.

   12. EMElon Musk0:24

       He is awesome. (laughs) He's pretty edgy.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Yeah. He's ama- It's amazing that he puts out a piece of art per day, 365 days a year.

   14. EMElon Musk0:34

       Yeah. I was following him on the X platform, aka Twitter, uh, but it, some of it was too jarring. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:40

       Too jarring, some of the images?

   16. EMElon Musk0:42

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Well, cheers, sir.

   18. EMElon Musk0:43

       Cheers.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       And Happy Halloween.

   20. EMElon Musk0:44

       Cheers.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it.

   22. EMElon Musk0:47

       You're welcome.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Thanks for rolling up in this Hyper Truck too.

   24. EMElon Musk0:50

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:50

       I got a chance to look at it in the factory, but that was, uh... Almost, uh... Was that like a year and a half ago or so?

   26. EMElon Musk0:57

       Was it?

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       It was a while ago.

   28. EMElon Musk0:59

       Yeah, a year ago, I guess.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Yeah, at least a year.

   30. EMElon Musk1:02

       At least a y- yeah. Um-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Something that folded out,…

   1. EMElon Musk15:00

      you could make it self-sustaining.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      Something that folded out, so, like, you could park it and then leave it on?

   3. EMElon Musk15:06

      Yeah. You'd have to, like, unfold, like s-... like, the Starlink satellites do, where you unfold the, the solar panels. You know, just... You just need more surface area. You need, um... So-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      Is there any potential, potential for an advancement in technology that would make, uh, a smaller area m- m- much better at conducting sun? Nothing?

   5. EMElon Musk15:25

      Uh, no. It's, it's a kilowatt per square meter. Uh, that, that's what you're gonna get when the sun... if, if you're, if you're normal to the sun, so 90 degrees to the sun.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:33

      And there's nothing that could accelerate that or know-

   7. EMElon Musk15:36

      That's just literally the, the solar energy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:37

      That's just it?

   9. EMElon Musk15:38

      Yeah. So then you... then you multiply your efficiency by that. So if your commercial as- panel is, like, maybe 25% efficient, if they're a good one, so you get, like, 250, uh, watts per square meter-

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:49

       There was one car-

   11. EMElon Musk15:50

       ... which covers roughly 10 feet.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:50

       What was it? Like, a Fisker that was using a solar panel that, uh, claimed that it was operating, like, the, the electronics, like, it could c-... start the radio.

   13. EMElon Musk16:00

       Yeah. It... (laughs) Yeah. Um, I, I mean, you, you, you, you can definitely... You just... It's just you don't have enough surface area for-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       Right.

   15. EMElon Musk16:06

       ... uh, for it. But, like, um ... but you, you, you can s-... like, certainly, um, you could run a house with solar, with the s-... with a solar roof. And by Tesla solar roof, you can run a house.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       But it's never gonna get to a point where you can just have a car that's made out of solar panels so they could drive around? It just... It could never be that efficient?

   17. EMElon Musk16:27

       Correct. The sur-... You do not have enough surface area.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       What, what research or what, uh, what breakthroughs have been made in terms of, uh, battery technology? Like, how far away are we from having batteries that are far more efficient and last far longer? 'Cause I know there's some talk of, like, sodium-based batteries.

   19. EMElon Musk16:47

       The batteries r-... Battery range is, uh, not a problem at this point. I mean, the, the Model S will go 400 miles. Model, Model 3, Model w-... Model Y will do over 300 miles. So, you know, that's, that's, that's more than most people need. So, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:04

       All right. But are we... Uh, I mean, how far away are we from making batteries that are more efficient? The... This isn't... Like, we obviously haven't leased hit the limit of this technology.

   21. EMElon Musk17:11

       This is not the... I'm not saying this... This, this is not really a constraint. Um, the point at which you've got a car that can do, let's say, even at hig-... at highway speeds, uh, 250 miles, then, um... Or, let's say 240 miles, uh, at 80 miles an hour. Now, you're driving for three hours straight. Um, and so if you start a trip at, say, 9:00 AM, by noon, you wanna stop for lunch, go to the restroom, grab a coffee. By the time you come back, your car is charged.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       How long does it take to fully charge?

   23. EMElon Musk17:43

       Uh, yeah, like, a half an hour. Well, you, you don't wanna... It's a little... The, the... People will get used to it 'cause it's a little different. Um, you know, uh, l- like, for a gasoline car, you'd, you'd wanna fill it up. For an electric car, you'd, you'd wanna actually go very close to zero. And the car can calculate how much range it has w- with precision. So if you, if you pull up say, enter a road trip in, in a Tesla, it'll, it'll calculate w-... um, all of the supercharges along the way, where you, where you stop, how much you should charge, and just let, just let the computer do its thing and it'll, it'll, it'll work well. Um, so you actually wanna, uh, charge to about 80% and then run it down all the way to 10%, I'd say, or less.

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:25

       D- do you wanna do that on everyday use as well or just with long trips?

   25. EMElon Musk18:29

       No, just, like, long trips. If, if you're trying to minimize the amount of time you s- you stop when charging, um, so let's say you wanna, you know, stop for 20, 30 minutes, uh, then, um, you, you really... Uh, i- it's, it's a little counterintuitive because for a gasoline car, you would fill it up. For a, for a battery, um, the ch- the charge state tapers off as you get above 80%. You can think of it like the... It's, uh, the, I think the right analogy here is cars in a p- in a parking lot. So the, the lithium ions are trying to find a parking space, um, as they, as they move across, um, you know, from one side of the battery to the other side from, you know, ca- cathode, anode. I mean, they're, they're sort of... Just these ions are just bouncing around looking for a parking space. So when the parking lot's empty, it's, you, they could zip right in there and find a spot. It's easy. Um, when... As the parking lot gets full, just like trying to find a parking space at a mall, you have to hunt around for a spot. And that's, that's how... That's, that's basically what's going on, is the, the ions looking for a parking spot. Um, so as the battery gets closer to full, it's harder and harder to spi- to find a spot. They have to bounce around more.

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:41

       So it takes longer-

   27. EMElon Musk19:41

       Just like a person in a parking-

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:43

       ... to get from 80 to 100?

   29. EMElon Musk19:44

       Correct.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:44

       I see.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

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   3. JRJoe Rogan32:46

      Well-

   4. EMElon Musk32:46

      So-

   5. JRJoe Rogan32:46

      ... if you get them alone for a few days and-

   6. EMElon Musk32:48

      I, I, I-

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:48

      ... you dig in?

   8. EMElon Musk32:49

      ... I'm in favor of, I mean, I'm pro-environment but the, the, the... In the limit, uh, if you go, if, if you take environmentalism to an extreme, you start to view humanity as a plague on the surface of the Earth, like a, like a mold or something.

   9. JRJoe Rogan33:03

      Right.

   10. EMElon Musk33:04

       Um, and... But it's, it's, this is actually false. Y- uh, the Earth could, could take probably 10 times the, the current civilization. Th- th- the population could be... You could 10X the population without, uh, destroying the rain forest. So the, the, the, the environmental movement... And I'm an environmentalist. Uh, it has gone too far. They've gone way too far. Um, you know, if, if you s- if you start thinking that, that humans are bad, then the natural conclusion is humans, uh, should die out. Now, I'm headed to an AI safety... International sort of AI safety conference, uh, later tonight, leaving in about three hours. Um, and, um, I don't know, meet with the British Prime Minister, a number of other people. Um, so you have to say like, "How could AI go wrong?" Well, if, if, if AI gets programmed by the extinctionists, it will... Its utility function will be the extinction of humanity.

   11. JRJoe Rogan34:03

       Yeah, clearly.

   12. EMElon Musk34:04

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan34:05

       Yeah. I mean, particularly if-

   14. EMElon Musk34:06

       They won't even think it's bad, like that guy.

   15. JRJoe Rogan34:07

       Right. Yeah. If you let AI-

   16. EMElon Musk34:11

       It's messed up.

   17. JRJoe Rogan34:11

       There's a lot of decisions that AI would make that would be very similar to eugenics. I mean, there would-

   18. EMElon Musk34:18

       Well-

   19. JRJoe Rogan34:18

       There would be some radical changes in what people are allowed to and not allowed to do that allow them to survive that may be detrimental in terms of just, like, pollution and things like that. But it may be the only solution they have in their area. I mean, maybe AI would come up with some sort of a different structure in terms of how they get power and resources, but-

   20. EMElon Musk34:38

       Th- there's no shortage of power. Um, like, like we talked about solar power for cars. The, the, the issue is the cars just have a very low service area. Um, but you, you could actually power the entire United States with, uh, 100 miles by 100 miles of solar.

   21. JRJoe Rogan34:53

       Really?

   22. EMElon Musk34:53

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan34:55

       So you can just pick some dead spot that you fly over-

   24. EMElon Musk34:57

       Of which there are plenty.

   25. JRJoe Rogan34:58

       ... cover that sucker up with-

   26. EMElon Musk34:59

       Correct.

   27. JRJoe Rogan34:59

       ... solar panels and, and charge the whole country?

   28. EMElon Musk35:02

       Absolutely.

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:02

       24/7?

   30. EMElon Musk35:03

       You need batteries, but yes.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm. And happened to…

   1. EMElon Musk45:00

      a- attracts the smartest engineers, the smartest sort of technologists and programmers from around the world. Um, they created an information weapon that was then harnessed by the far left who could not themselves create the weapon, but happened to be co-located where the technologists were.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:17

      Mm. And happened to be aligned politically with the people that possessed it.

   3. EMElon Musk45:21

      The technologists are generally are moderate, maybe moderate left, but they're, they're not, they're, they're, they're not far left. That's why I say San Francisco Berkeley it's, it's, it doesn't even extend to South San Francisco or even to Palo Alto. So, so SF Berkeley is the most far left, um, perhaps, you know, k- in a competition with Portland, but I'd say SF Berkeley is more far left even than Portland. The, like literally in America it's, we're talking about an area that's maybe a 10-mile radius. And so the normally the, the effects, the negative effects of a far left ideology that is, would be geographically limited to a t- 10-mile radius. That's like not f- it's small, like the, so, so an- any bad effects of that ideology would be geographically constrained under normal circumstances and have been in the past. But when you have, uh, basically a techno- technological megaphone which w- which was Twitter and, and social media in general, suddenly the, the far left are handed a megaphone to earth. A, a, a t- an, an incredibly powerful technology weapon that they themselves could not create but they happen to be co-located with the technologists who created it by accident.

   4. JRJoe Rogan46:46

      Is it shocking that more people don't understand how dangerous that is?

   5. EMElon Musk46:51

      I think some people understand. Um-

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:54

      Some people do.

   7. EMElon Musk46:55

      Some people understand. Um, so I mean, from the standpoint of, of the, some of the people who used to be at Twitter, uh, that people are like, "Well, it's a, a big shift to the right." That is correct. It is a shift to the right because everything is to the right if you're far left. Everything is to the right. But it's, but how many far left people have actually been suspended or, or banned from, from Twitter, now X? Zero. So it's really just moved to the center. But from the perspective of the far left, it has, it's moved to the right. So like everything's relative.

   8. JRJoe Rogan47:29

      The l- the, the difference in moderation-

   9. EMElon Musk47:33

      And I'm s- sorry, I should say. It has pro- I propagated that far left philosophy not just to America, but to everywhere on earth.

   10. JRJoe Rogan47:39

       Right.

   11. EMElon Musk47:40

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan47:41

       Yeah. And with the same level of suppression in other countries as well?

   13. EMElon Musk47:45

       Yes.

   14. JRJoe Rogan47:46

       But the Taliban is on Twitter, right?

   15. EMElon Musk47:52

       Like I always think of like, "Hey, Mr. Taliban telling me banana." (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:59

       (laughs)

   17. EMElon Musk47:59

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:59

       Hey, Mr. Taliban-

   19. EMElon Musk48:00

       Telling me banana.

   20. JRJoe Rogan48:00

       I mean there, but there's definitely some people on-

   21. EMElon Musk48:02

       Um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan48:02

       ... Twitter that are-

   23. EMElon Musk48:04

       Daylight coming, I want to go.

   24. JRJoe Rogan48:06

       Yeah.

   25. EMElon Musk48:06

       Um, y- yeah. So the, the point here, the point is, um, I, that I, from my standpoint, uh, that, is that X, FK, Twitter, um, should, uh, represent the sort of collective consciousness of humanity. So now that, that means that there are gonna be views on there that you don't like, um, or disagree with. Um, but that's humanity. So are you gonna exclude 'em or, or not? Now I mean, if, if somebody, you know, breaks the law, then, then the, the account is suspended. I mean, if they, uh, adv- actively advocate murder, then the account is suspended. We, we do have what we call like the kind of United Nations exclusion rule, which is that you can have say the Ayatollah (laughs) who, you know, uh-... would, would prefer that Israel didn't exist, for example. Um, and, um ... But he, he's allowed to go to the UN building in New York.

   26. JRJoe Rogan49:13

       Mm.

   27. EMElon Musk49:14

       Um, and, uh, in fact, generally, officials from Iran, uh, do in fact go to the UN building in New York. Um, even though they are a heavily sanctioned country. So, so I think that there's, there's merit to having, uh ... just like there's meri- there's some merit to the UN. One can disagree with the UN, and I think one, we shouldn't have a world government that we bow down to, but, uh, in fact, that's risky for civilization. But I think you do wanna have the leaders of countries, uh, represented, um, on social media. You wanna hear what they have to say, even if you ... what they say is horrible.

   28. JRJoe Rogan49:51

       Well, I think that is true across the board. And I think one of the things you just said that's very important is that's humanity. And it's-

   29. EMElon Musk49:57

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan49:57

       I think it's important th- that a, a social media platform, especially the biggest one, represents humanity, so we understand what we're talking about. Because if we have this distorted idea of what people think and want and need because everyone only exists inside this ideological bubble, and anything outside of that bubble gets censored-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

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   3. EMElon Musk1:02:17

      You know, (laughs) that's something like after I say I've got a lot of respect for. If somebody's like willing to make pizza late at night-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:02:22

      Yeah.

   5. EMElon Musk1:02:23

      ... my, my hat is off. I mean, th- thank, thank... That is like great. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:02:27

      Absolutely.

   7. EMElon Musk1:02:27

      You know?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:28

      Late night food, I appreciate the f-

   9. EMElon Musk1:02:30

      Um-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:30

       If you can get a really good late night meal-

   11. EMElon Musk1:02:32

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:32

       ... hats off.

   13. EMElon Musk1:02:33

       Totally.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

       Or wigs off.

   15. EMElon Musk1:02:34

       100%.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:35

       Yeah, I'm, I'm a giant fan of very good late night food. And that's one of the things that like Los Angeles really used to have.

   17. EMElon Musk1:02:41

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:41

       They had a Pacific Dining Cart where you can get a legit steak 24 hours a day.

   19. EMElon Musk1:02:45

       Really? That's great.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:46

       Yeah, I don't know if it's still open in downtown LA. I believe the one in Santa Monica closed, but at Pacific Dining Cart in downtown LA-

   21. EMElon Musk1:02:53

       Okay.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:53

       ... was a legit steakhouse and you get... We would leave the comedy store, 2:00, 3:00 in the morning-

   23. EMElon Musk1:02:59

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:03:00

       ... get a legit steak.

   25. EMElon Musk1:03:01

       That's cool.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:02

       Is that still open?

   27. Temporarily closed. (laughs)

   28. EMElon Musk1:03:04

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:04

       Oh, fucking COVID got them. It's closed.

   30. EMElon Musk1:03:06

       COVID just took out so many restaurants, it's crazy.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:21:18

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      how many thousands of years? If you parked a metal spaceship, like if you left a Cybertruck in the desert-

   2. EMElon Musk1:15:06

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:06

      ... how many thousands of years do you think y- it would be there for, before it's gone, totally?

   4. EMElon Musk1:15:11

      If it got bu- if it got buried in dirt, we'd find, you'd find it even like a million years from now.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:14

      A million?

   6. EMElon Musk1:15:15

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:16

      Wow. Really?

   8. EMElon Musk1:15:19

      Well, you, what you'd find is-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:20

      'Cause it's stainless steel, so it'd have to be some sort of an alloy.

   10. EMElon Musk1:15:23

       I- i- it would ... It's kinda like, um-

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:25

       But iron wouldn't, right?

   12. EMElon Musk1:15:27

       Y- yeah. You, you'd, but you'd have something similar to like, like fossils basically.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:15:32

       Mm-hmm.

   14. EMElon Musk1:15:32

       You know? Like the fossils-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:15:33

       Oh, okay.

   16. EMElon Musk1:15:34

       They, they, they essentially, uh, discolor the rock. So eventually the, whatever the fossil is ... And sometimes the fossil's like in amber or something like that. That, that's the ... Where it still does survive more or less intact. But I mean there's fossilized like dinosaur fossils and tree fossils, um, that-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:15:51

       Essentially re-miner- mineralized, right?

   18. EMElon Musk1:15:53

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:15:53

       Yeah.

   20. EMElon Musk1:15:55

       So you'd, you'd, you'd see a, like a Cybertruck shape in the rock basically.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:15:58

       Ah. Yeah. But that's it? You wouldn't find the actual Cybertruck?

   22. EMElon Musk1:16:04

       Uh, no.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:16:05

       So if they did have a spaceship and it came here 30,000 years ago ...

   24. EMElon Musk1:16:10

       Oh, yeah. Yeah. We'd, we'd definitely find it, ev- evidence of it.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:16:14

       Hm.

   26. EMElon Musk1:16:14

       Well, not e- I mean if it was one spaceship, maybe not, but if it was lot of 'em, sure.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16:19

       That is the origin myth of the Dogon tribe, right?

   28. It is.

   29. Am I getting that right?

   30. I think they say Mars specifically. It's a hidden star in a Sirius-

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