Joe Rogan Experience #2060 - Gary Brecka

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   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drum beat plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays)

   3. GBGary Brecka0:12

      Fired up.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      What's up? How are you, man?

   5. GBGary Brecka0:13

      I'm doing amazing, man.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Thanks for being here.

   7. GBGary Brecka0:15

      Dude, you're welcome.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      And thank ... Thanks for saving Dana White's life.

   9. GBGary Brecka0:19

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:19

       (laughs) 'Cause th- that's what he credits. He credits talking to you and taking your advice as completely changing his life, and now he feels infinitely better.

   11. GBGary Brecka0:27

       Yeah. I mean, he did a lot of the work himself.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       Well, he had to, but you had to tell him what to do. But luckily, he listened.

   13. GBGary Brecka0:33

       Yeah. I mean, I think, I think giving him a life expectancy just kind of validated it for him, it just really put it in his face.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Uh-huh.

   15. GBGary Brecka0:41

       And, you know, 'cause that's something you can calculate. He's like, "Okay, well, I'm 53 now. 63 doesn't seem that far off."

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       Right.

   17. GBGary Brecka0:48

       You know?

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       A lot of like high-stress individuals that don't take care of themselves, their ticker checks out-

   19. GBGary Brecka0:55

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:55

       ... around 65-

   21. GBGary Brecka0:56

       It, it ... I mean-

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       67.

   23. GBGary Brecka0:58

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       That's pretty standard.

   25. GBGary Brecka0:59

       It just takes its toll. I mean and-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Yeah.

   27. GBGary Brecka1:01

       And the funny thing is, you know, uh, when you go back and you look at the, the pictures of him prior to-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       Oh, yeah.

   29. GBGary Brecka1:09

       ... he does kind of look like he was about to pop, you know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       It's not good.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   But you have to…

   1. GBGary Brecka15:00

      If you're supplementing for deficiency, that's when magic happens in the human body.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      But you have to understand what those deficiencies are and you have to go to someone like yourself that's gonna-

   3. GBGary Brecka15:09

      You don't have to come to me. I mean, there's lots of people that do genetic tests, but-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      But someone like yourself-

   5. GBGary Brecka15:12

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      ... that is gonna understand how to read this stuff. 'Cause if you ha- uh, if you talked to me and said, "Uh, what's the cause of high blood pressure?" I would probably say, "Someone's fat. They're overweight, they eat too much, maybe they drink too much."

   7. GBGary Brecka15:26

      Yeah, those are very obvious causes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:27

      Or-

   9. GBGary Brecka15:27

      Type 2 diabetes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       Right.

   11. GBGary Brecka15:29

       Um, you know, being morbidly obese, atherosclerosis, arteriosclerosis.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:32

       What are the other factors that could be?

   13. GBGary Brecka15:35

       Um, obesity. Um-

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:37

       Yeah, we talked about that.

   15. GBGary Brecka15:38

       Yeah, obesity, stress, um, sleep dep-

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Stress?

   17. GBGary Brecka15:41

       Oh, stress and sleep deprivation.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       Hm.

   19. GBGary Brecka15:43

       High levels of cortisol. Um-

   20. JRJoe Rogan15:44

       Interesting.

   21. GBGary Brecka15:45

       Um, so slep- uh, sleep deprivation, stress, um, morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, atherosclerosis, arteriosclerosis. But those are usually more sinister and visible. You know, there are a lot of healthy looking individuals in their 20s and early 30s that are walking around with hypertension, with high blood pressure and don't know it. There are a lot of young, healthy looking individuals that are walking around with metabolic syndrome, which is a combination of very high blood fat, triglycerides, abdominal fat, um, high blood pressure, high insulin, and high sugar. But they don't, they don't manifest to the outside world, but it's going on on the inside.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:30

       Hm.

   23. GBGary Brecka16:30

       That, that's why I say I think everybody at, once in their lifetime should do a genetic methylation test. And the reason for that is that you do this test once in your lifetime. You never have to repeat it. The genes you're born with are the genes you die with. And based on, there's five major genes of methylation. Based on how these five genes are working or not, you supplement for their deficiency. So for example, one of the most common gene mutations in the world is called MTHFR. It's called the motherfucker gene. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       Hm.

   25. GBGary Brecka17:00

       Um, stands for methylene tetrahydrofolate reductase, but we call it the motherfucker gene. This gene is estimated to be compromised in somewhere between 40% and 60%, depending on the study. 40% to 60% of the population has this gene mutation. And what this gene mutation does is it interrupts the ability to convert folic acid into the usable form called methyfolate. And while that might not sound like a big deal until you realize that folic acid is the most prevalent nutrient in the human diet. Folic acid, by the way, is an entirely man-made chemical. You can't find folic... We've been, we've been lied to about folic acid. I mean, it's, it's entirely man-made and synthetic. You can't find folic acid anywhere on the surface of the Earth. It does not occur naturally in nature. Folate does, but we make folic acid in a lab. And then what we've done since 1993 is we've sprayed all of our grains, all white flour, all white rice, all white bread and grains of any kind are sprayed with this chemical folic acid. It's called fortified or enriched. So when you, when you spin a box of crackers around and it says fortified whole wheat flour or enriched bleached white flour, that means it's been sprayed with folic acid. Well, 44% of the population can't convert that into the usable nutrient.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:18

       Why do they spray it with folic acid?

   27. GBGary Brecka18:20

       Well, I mean, without going down the whole road of conspiracy theory, I mean, you look at the same, you know-... pharmaceutical companies that produce folic acid, and you look at some of the, um, you look at some of the downsides of having a synthetic form of a vitamin like folic acid in the diet, and how it's correlated to higher incidences of ADD, ADHD, OCD, manic depression, bipolar. Um, it's correlated to poor gut motility, mood imbalance, anxiety. And because when you put this raw material into the human body, if you can't metabolize it, if you can't methylate it into the usable form, first of all, you now have a deficiency in the form your body needs and an excess in the nutrient you can't process. And this causes things to go haywire.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:10

       So instead of folate, it's folic ac- folic acid. And what does your body try to do with that?

   29. GBGary Brecka19:16

       So your body tries to convert folic acid into, eventually into something called methylfolate.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:23

       Right.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Huh. …

   1. GBGary Brecka30:00

      up a 30-floor elevator, right, are zero. But you can have the exact same reaction. So how is it that I can have the same reaction to the presence of a real fear as an entirely perceived fear? Because it doesn't require the presence of a fear for these excess catecholamines to leak into the brain.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:19

      Huh.

   3. GBGary Brecka30:19

      And this is the- why the majority of anxiety that we have seen in our practices, um, that my clinical team treats, is coming from our physiology. It's not coming from our outside environment. In fact, if you ask most people that suffer from anxiety three questions, if you say, "Have you had it on and off your entire lifetime?"... they'll say yes. There's your first sign that it's a genetic deficiency. Um, and then you say, "Well, can you point to the specific trigger that causes it?" They'll say, "Most of the time, I can't." There's your second sign that it's not coming from their outside environment. And then the third question is, "If you've ever tried anti-anxiety medications, have they worked?" The majority of the time, they'll say, "No, it just makes me feel like a zombie." That is very indicative that this is a nutrient deficiency and not a mental condition. We have a lack of-

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:06

      Whoa.

   5. GBGary Brecka31:06

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:07

      So, do you encourage people to take methylfolate as a supplement or do you-

   7. GBGary Brecka31:11

      Absolutely. I encourage them-

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:13

      What's the dose that they should take?

   9. GBGary Brecka31:15

      ... I think everybody shou- Um, well, it's, it's weight dependent but, you know, um, methylfolate, about 800 micrograms, um, a day is usually defi- is usually sufficient unless-

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       Is that something you take with food?

   11. GBGary Brecka31:25

       Um, you can take it with or without food. It's a, it's a non-water... it's a water-soluble vitamin, so unlike vitamins A, D, E and K, which are actually fat soluble that you need to take with food for them to be absorbed, you can actually take those even on an empty stomach, as long as you're not taking them with a bunch of other vitamins that cause you to be nauseous 'cause it changes your stomach pH. I think every single person should be at a minimum on a methylated multivitamin.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Mm.

   13. GBGary Brecka31:49

       The basic raw materials that your body needs to perform the process of methylation, because methylation is how we create neurotransmitters, right? I mean, we make serotonin from taking tryptophan and amino acid and methylating it into-

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       Right.

   15. GBGary Brecka32:02

       ... serotonin. We make, we make dopamine from, um, you know, phenylalanine and tyrosine. If, if you can't make these conversions, you have certain deficiencies. And yes, you can have deficiencies in neurotransmitters, which will lead to the expression of a mood disorder. You don't have a mental illness, you just have a lack of mental fitness. And this is- this is why I think-

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       That's crazy.

   17. GBGary Brecka32:24

       ... that we- we- we're so quick to say that we have pathology and disease or dysfunction, and then we go to chemicals and synthetics and pharmaceuticals. And I'm not anti-pharmaceutical, but what I'm saying is, before we diagnose somebody with a mental illness or an autoimmune disorder, or with an allergy or a sensitivity, or irritable bowel syndrome, or any number of other conditions, we should ask ourself what raw material could be missing from their body that could be causing this to happen. Right? I mean, like, when I was in the- when I was in the mortality space, you know, for- for- for 20 years, you know, I was reading medical records, just horrific voluminous amounts of medical records. I would see simple nutrient deficiencies get misdiagnosed as autoimmune conditions more times than I can even remember. So for example, you know, you'd have people going to their primary care physician and I would look at their medical records for five, eight, 10 years. Sometimes we had more than 10 years of medical records, and I'd see, man, this person has single digit vitamin D3 levels. Like, they are so clinically deficient in, in vitamin D3, and vitamin D3, you know, goes from about 30 nanograms per deciliter to 100 nanograms per deciliter. 60 to 80 is a perfect range, but chronic deficiency in vitamin D3, the sunshine vitamin-

   18. JRJoe Rogan33:40

       Mm-hmm.

   19. GBGary Brecka33:40

       ... right, the only vitamin, by the way, that human beings can make on our own. I- I think it's arguably the most important nutrient in the human body. In fact, it was the second leading cause of morbidity in COVID for people that had a deficiency. And it's also why we said that COVID disproportionately affected minorities, because there's a higher incidence of vitamin D3 deficiency because of the pigment of their skin. But we would see- we would see these deficiencies in vitamin D3 that had gone on for decades, right? Now, all of a sudden the patient is going into their doctor and saying, "Doc, I wake up sore and achy in the morning like I had a workout the night before when I haven't. The soles of my feet and my ankles are sore when I get out of bed in the morning to walk to the bathroom. My knees and hips really bother me lately. And you know what? Just these past few weeks, it's kind of hard to make a fist." You would be shocked how many family medicine practitioners go, "You know what, Joe? You got, uh, rheumatoid arthritis. I'm gonna hit you with some high-dose prednisone. I'm gonna put you on something called a corticosteroid and you're gonna be fine." Well, we knew in the mortality space that if you ta- started corticosteroids, you had six years and one day until you were having a joint replacement. It was so accurate that if I saw you were misdiagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and started a corticosteroid, I would artificially advance your age six years and one day, and I would schedule the joint replacement. And then what I would do is I would model the reduction in what we called your ambulatory profile, how well you ambulate, how well you move. Because sitting is the new smoking, right? Sedentary lifestyle is the leading cause of all-cause mortality. And so as I reduced your mobility, I would bring in all the diseases that exacerbate with reduced mobility. So now if you rewind that, you had a simple nutrient deficiency in vitamin D3, cholecalciferol. You were diagnosed with a condition you did not have, put on a medication that wasn't required, which led to a joint replacement that wasn't nece- necessary.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       How does- how do these corticosteroids, how do they r- ruin your joints? How does that happen?

   21. GBGary Brecka35:36

       So eventually what they do is they upset the balance inside the joint, the synovial, um, the, the protein balance inside of the synovium of the joint. So initially they act- (clears throat) initially they act as an anti-inflammatory, right? They- they reduce the inflammation and you- you actually feel a little bit better. Um, it's like cortisone. You know, repeated cortisone injections have ended a lot of professional athletic careers, probably Joe Montana being the biggest, but, um, that's why we try to reduce the amount of cortisone that we actually put into, you know, athletic injuries now. But- but-

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:09

       H- but h- what is the mechanism? Like how does it do that?

   23. GBGary Brecka36:12

       It- it becomes cytotoxic to the joint because it interrupts the protein metabolism in the synovium of the joint. And so what happens is the joint begins to dry out and the friction surfaces become less lubricated and then begin to contact one another. And as they contact one another, because this protein is broken down, we wear the friction surface away and you get down to anchor cartilage, which we call bone on bone, and there's a lot of nerves there, and you start to get a lot of- of joint pain.So, corticosteroids will also, um, like methotrexate, they also block and interrupt the ability for the body to convert folate to methylfolate.

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:51

       Mm.

   25. GBGary Brecka36:52

       They artificially give you the same condition as this gene mutation, which is why one of the biggest side effects of corticosteroids is gut issues, because methylfolate is r- involved in the motility of the gut. You now start taking a corticosteroid, and it shuts your gut down.

   26. JRJoe Rogan37:09

       And by corticosteroids, are you talking about prednisone? Like, what are the ones that they prescribe?

   27. GBGary Brecka37:12

       Prednisone, methylprednisone, um, and other oral corticosteroids ............................

   28. JRJoe Rogan37:17

       'Cause I, I have a friend who had gout, and they put him on prednisone.

   29. GBGary Brecka37:21

       For short periods of time, you know, in the acute inflammatory stage, it's okay. But to take prednisone systemically, um, for a prolonged period of time, you're gonna start to hear that he starts to get low back pain, that he... Well, first of all, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't have gut issues right now. If you ask him, "Hey, do you, do you notice the incident of gas, bloating, diarrhea, constipation, irritability-"

   30. JRJoe Rogan37:43

       Hmm.
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   Mm-hmm. …

   1. GBGary Brecka45:00

      reaches the end, it's fully assembled. W- well, the human intestinal tract is no different, right? It's just a glorified conveyor belt. It's 30 feet long. We put contents on it at one end as it exits the stomach in a very acidic environment, and as it traverses the gut, it generally becomes slightly more alkaline, then it exits the rectum. That sequence of events is very important, right? If Henry Ford just walked into his factory one day and doubled the speed of the conveyor belt, what would happen? The entire line would break down. Nothing wrong with the conveyor belt, nothing wrong with the part on the conveyor belt, nothing wrong with the people working there, nothing wrong with the food, nothing wrong with the bacterial flora. It's not a- it's not gust- gut dysbiosis, it's not, um, improper flora, it's not an allergy, it's not a sensitivity. It is a gut motility issue. When you change the motility of the gut, you get all of the outcomes that look like, um, uh, food sensitivity, food allergy, um, you know, uh, m- bacterial flora being off, and then people start shoveling down probiotics and they get all this allergy testing and they go on these restrictive diets, and it doesn't seem to help, because they haven't addressed the motility issue. Methylfolate, complex of B vitamins, um, very often will give your body the- the raw material it needs to restore that peristaltic activity, and then you can get off the proton pump inhibitors and the Tums beca- for the acid reflux, which is now, you know, screwing things up down the- down the line. So, you know, again, I always come back to this theory that we should always look at the soil before we diagnose the disease or the pathology, because there's very little to lose by saying, "What nutrient deficiency could this person have that could be causing this condition to exist?" It's like when people come into our clinics for hormone therapy. You know, very often, we don't put them on hormone therapy. We just put them on nutrients to support healthy hormone therapy, right? I mean, if you have low vitamin D3, low DHEA, and high protein in your blood called SHBG, your hormones are going to be off, right? Free testosterone's going to be clinically deficient. Testosterone will probably also be low. And you don't need hormone therapy. Your endocrine system hasn't failed you. Your body just doesn't have the raw material it needs to do its job to produce those hormones.

   2. NANarrator47:14

      Mm-hmm.

   3. GBGary Brecka47:14

      So, you know, I- I- I really wish we would stop- or we would start going back to studying human physiology and saying, "What could we put back in this body so it can perform optimally?" I really think magic things happen to human beings if their body just has the raw material it needs to do its job.

   4. NANarrator47:34

      And most people don't.

   5. GBGary Brecka47:35

      And most people don't. But they don't-

   6. NANarrator47:37

      And the vast majority of people are nutrient deficient.

   7. GBGary Brecka47:39

      They're nutrient deficient, but they don't know what nutrient they're deficient in.

   8. NANarrator47:42

      Right.

   9. GBGary Brecka47:42

      They don't know what these five genes tell them, and they don't know whether or not they should be supplementing with methylfolate, um, avoiding folic acid, whether or not their sleep is related to their gene mutation. So, for example, if you have the gene mutation COMT, you have one of two types of sleep patterns. You- you lay down tired to go to sleep, so your body tired, but your mind is awake. And so what happens is your environment quiets, your mind wakes up. And these people, if you- if you ask them, "Well, what are you thinking about at night?" They'll tell you it's the most innocuous little nonsense. It's like, "Did I get everything on my grocery list today?"

   10. NANarrator48:19

       Right.

   11. GBGary Brecka48:20

       "Did- did my belt match my shoes? You know, did I return that Instagram po-" It's nothing that couldn't wait till the next day. Right? So why does the mind wake up at night? Because we are- we are releasing these catecholamines into the brain. We're not breaking them down at the right rate, so our mind is awake. Catechol-O-methyltransferase, this COMT, takes those- those excitatory neurotransmitters and it breaks them down. This is why things like magnesium and zinc and SAMe, um, uh, you know, work so well to help people sleep. They're not actually sleep aids. They're methylation aids.... that help you break down-

   12. JRJoe Rogan48:58

       Mm.

   13. GBGary Brecka48:59

       ... neurotransmitters that create that awakened state. And this is why, um, you know, those some, same people will, will say, "You know, I work really well under pressure," right? Well, physiologically, when you tell me you work well under pressure it says, you, you're saying to me, "Well, um, I lack the ability to set priorities internally. So I use external pressure to set my priorities for me." Well, what if you didn't have to rely on that extra stress, right? What if you're, what if you didn't give equal weight to every thought that came into your mind? What if you weren't laying awake all night thinking about, you know, what color dishes you'd use for a Thanksgiving Day party and you'd lay down and actually just went right into a deep delta wave of sleep? I mean, just think of the impact that that would have on the balance of your lifetime. And you may be one simple supplement away from that. Not s-

   14. JRJoe Rogan49:51

       I have never thought of it that way. I'm gonna be honest with you. I've never thought-

   15. GBGary Brecka49:54

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan49:54

       ... that thinking would be connected so inextricably to diet deficiencies.

   17. GBGary Brecka50:01

       No question, because it's, n- Because what is thinking? It's this, very often, it is this release of these catecholamines into the brain, ephedrine, norepphedrine, um, epinephrine, dopamine, one, one of which we call adrenaline. And so, you don't need a massive dump like a fight or flight response. You just need to have them rise and not be able to break them down at the right rate, e- ****** state.

   18. JRJoe Rogan50:28

       So for someone who has a, a very hard time going to sleep at night, like what would be a good supplement for them?

   19. GBGary Brecka50:34

       Um, SAMe, magnesium three and eight, um-

   20. JRJoe Rogan50:37

       What i- what is SAMe?

   21. GBGary Brecka50:38

       S-adenosylmethionine. S-A-M, capital S-A-M, little e. So, SAMe, S-adenosylmethionine.

   22. JRJoe Rogan50:46

       I'm gonna write this down too.

   23. GBGary Brecka50:48

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan50:48

       Now that I have a hard time... I don't have a hard time, my wife does.

   25. GBGary Brecka50:51

       Does she?

   26. JRJoe Rogan50:51

       Yeah, she has a hard time going to sleep. I, I can sleep on her.

   27. GBGary Brecka50:53

       Then I should do this-

   28. JRJoe Rogan50:54

       The floor of a moving train.

   29. GBGary Brecka50:56

       I'll look at, I'll do a cheek swab on her and I'll tell you exactly what she's deficient in.

   30. JRJoe Rogan51:00

       SAMe. Okay.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yeah, 'cause I have-…

   1. GBGary Brecka1:00:00

      in, in, in eight eight-ounce glasses of water in a day if you drink tap water. And so, you know, one of the things I tell people to permanently get out of their life besides GMO foods is tap water. Like, today should be the day that you never drink tap water again, right? Because it-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      Yeah, 'cause I have-

   3. GBGary Brecka1:00:15

      ... fluoride poisoning.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      ... a friend who lives in New York City, he's like, "New York City has the best tap water." I said, "Shut the fuck up."

   5. GBGary Brecka1:00:19

      Yeah. (laughs)

   6. NANarrator1:00:19

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

      "You should never drink that shit."

   8. GBGary Brecka1:00:20

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      And I was trying to explain to him about fluoride and it goes in one ear, out the other. You sound like a kook.

   10. GBGary Brecka1:00:26

       You d- Yeah, you do.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       "Fluoride's bad. Fluoride's good for your teeth." Like, w- how do you know?

   12. GBGary Brecka1:00:30

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

       Why are you saying that? Do you know what's bad for you?

   14. GBGary Brecka1:00:32

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

       What? Fluoride's bad for you. Fluoride's associated with low IQ.

   16. GBGary Brecka1:00:36

       Yes.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       Do you know the higher the dose of fluoride in the drinking water, the lower the town IQ is? For real.

   18. GBGary Brecka1:00:41

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       And people go like, "Yeah, come on. Why would they do that?"

   20. GBGary Brecka1:00:44

       Yeah. Yeah, it's a neurotoxin.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

       Right. But why are they still dumping that sh- Is it just some sort of a predatory relationship that they ha- the fluoride manufacturers have?

   22. GBGary Brecka1:00:51

       Well, I mean, now think of the position that you're in. You're a municipality and like, "Well, guys, we've been giving you this fluoridated water for 25 years and it's, uh, cancer-causing neurotoxin. We're gonna go ahead and pull that out." Imagine what that would... I mean, it's public panic.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       But that's real.

   24. GBGary Brecka1:01:03

       ... it's f-... it's absolutely real. You know, I got censored all over Instagram the other day for, for posting about seed oils. It's the same thing. I was like, "Look, guys. I didn't say particularly seed oils are bad for you. What I did say was industrial processed seed oils are bad for you." If you put a canola plant in a commercial press and it comes out gummy, and then you take that gummy canola plant and you, and you de-gum it with hexane, which is a known neurotoxin, and then you take that de-gummed oil and you heat it to 405 degrees and turn it rancid, so now you have a, a rancid neurotoxic, um, um, oil. And then you, and then you take that rancid neur- neurotoxic oil and you deodorize it with sodium hydroxide, um, which is a known carcinogen, um, and then occasionally you, you, you bleach it so, so you, you clear the liquid, then you bottle it and put it on the shelf, that is horrible for you. In fact, that's the pro-... that's the problem with the majority of our food supply is that it's not the food itself, it's the distance from the food to the table. Right? I mean, everybody vilifies meats, but if you look at grass-fed meats versus in- industrial raised cattle, they're night and day. They're completely different chemicals.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:05

       Yeah, but, so with seed oils, what happened? You got censored on Instagram?

   26. GBGary Brecka1:02:11

       I got fact-checked.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:12

       Fact-checked?

   28. GBGary Brecka1:02:12

       Yeah, so if you go into my Instagram, it has that, you know, it has that little blank page over it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:16

       Can we go to that?

   30. GBGary Brecka1:02:16

       Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:17:37

   So, are there foods…

   1. GBGary Brecka1:15:00

      measure would be to have high cholesterol and very high triglycerides, because then you start to reduce the particulate size of cholesterol. You know, so remember like from high school geometry, as the size of a sphere gets smaller, its surface area to volume ratio goes up. And so a lot of these small particulate cholesterol are very dangerous because they pass through the arterial wall, they get kinda eaten by a macrophage, and they start this process of scarring. But just having elevated levels of LDL cholesterol was a marker for longevity, um, in, in the, our mortality space.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:36

      So, are there foods that when combined with high levels of dietary cholesterol ... Like, is, is there things that you should not eat while also consuming high levels of dietary cholesterol and they work together-

   3. GBGary Brecka1:15:51

      It's-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:51

      ... in a negative way?

   5. GBGary Brecka1:15:52

      Yeah, I mean, I, I'm not aware of any link between dietary cholesterol and serum concentration of cholesterol. Only 15% of the cholesterol in your bloodstream comes from diet. 85% of the cholesterol in your blood is manufactured by the liver. So, if you want to lower your cholesterol, we have to lower what we put into the front door of the liver.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:16:10

      Mm.

   7. GBGary Brecka1:16:10

      If you put high glycemic carbohydrates in the front door of the liver, you will likely ver- get not just high triglyceride, but also elevated levels of cholesterol out the back door.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:16:20

      So, elevated levels of cholesterol and high triglycerides are the problem disaster.

   9. GBGary Brecka1:16:25

      Disaster.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:16:25

       ... together?

   11. GBGary Brecka1:16:25

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:16:26

       And that comes from diet as well as ...

   13. GBGary Brecka1:16:30

       Sugar.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:16:30

       Sugar.

   15. GBGary Brecka1:16:30

       Yeah. I mean, sugar is the enemy. Right? I mean, so, you know, people that eat the most sugar have the highest blood fat. You know, if we go back to Dana White for a second, um, you know, he had, um, a life-threatening level of triglycerides when he was fasted. His triglycerides were around 800, which is very high.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:16:48

       For when he's fasted?

   17. GBGary Brecka1:16:49

       When he's fasted. For fasted state. Yeah, when he was fasted. And-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:16:53

       What was it like when he was eating?

   19. GBGary Brecka1:16:54

       Oof. I can't imagine.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:16:56

       Jesus.

   21. GBGary Brecka1:16:56

       But he also ate a lot of refined carbohydrates.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:16:59

       Yeah.

   23. GBGary Brecka1:16:59

       So now, re- remember, you know, this, this syndrome called metabolic syndrome, which is showing up in younger and younger and younger ages now, right, is this combination of, you know, m- abdominal fat, um, high triglyceride, high blood fat, um, high insulin, hyperinsulinemia, um, high levels of, of sugar, which is called hemoglobin A1C, the three-month average of your blood sugar, um, low HDL cholesterol, the health- healthy cholesterol, and high blood pressure. And if you have any two of those five, you have metabolic syndrome. He had all five of those five in a really bad way.

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