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Joe Rogan Experience #2083 - Taylor Sheridan

Taylor Sheridan is an actor, screenwriter, director, and rancher. He's the creator of the television series "Yellowstone" and "Tulsa King," and wrote the screenplay for the Denis Villeneuve film "Sicario." In addition to his work in the entertainment industry, Sheridan is the owner of 6666 Ranch and Four Sixes Ranch Brand Beef.  He is an inductee of the 2021 Texas Cowboy Hall of Fame. www.6666steak.com

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Jun 27, 20243h 36mWatch on YouTube ↗

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    (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

    1. NA

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's happening, brother?

    2. TS

      How you doing, man?

    3. JR

      (laughs) Thanks for doing this, man.

    4. TS

      Man, thanks for having me.

    5. JR

      Um, dude, listen, man. I, I've been a fan of your work for a while. First thing I ever saw that you did was Hell or High Water, but going through the, uh... My friend, Andrew Schulz, turned me onto Yellowstone. I got a text message from him once, like, at 1:00 in the morning. He's like, "Dude, Yellowstone. Have you seen it?" Like, "No, everybody's watching it. Should I watch it?" He's like, "Dude, watch it." So I got into Yellowstone, and it goes like, Yellowstone is fucking great, but 1923 is better, but 1883, holy shit. And on your recommendation, I finished it last night. I was up till 1:30 in the morning. I didn't sleep. I went to, I went to bed at, like, 4:00 'cause I was just laying around my house just thinking about it, just going, "What the fuck, man?"

    6. TS

      (laughs)

    7. JR

      That... I don't think anybody has ever nailed that time period like you did. I... There's nothing close. There's nothing even in the fucking ballpark. Nothing.

    8. TS

      Well, thanks. I, I... You know, the reason I chose to do this for a living, um, I was off to my third college I was gonna go flunk out of.

    9. JR

      (laughs)

    10. TS

      And, uh, and, and right before I left, I had read Lonesome Dove, you know, M- Mercury's book, and then I saw the miniseries with Duvall and, and Tom Lee, and I said, "I w- I wanna do that. I don't know what that is, but that's what I wanna do."

    11. JR

      Wow.

    12. TS

      You know, so I started, I started as an actor first 'cause I thought that's what it was, and then I realized, I'm not doing that. I'm not creating a story. And then finally, you know, I got the conus to quit and, and, and write my own. But yeah, 1883 was me. Yellowstone's, uh, the, the punk rock me. There's a, there's a fair amount of, um... It's, it has no plot, really, you know, "Don't take my land. I want your land."

    13. JR

      Right. (laughs)

    14. TS

      Um, and in that, I have a lot of opportunities to, to poke fun but also kinda point out different points of views and kinda really study a way of life and a world. Um, but there's a lot of defiance in the way that I do it. It's, it's not surprising that critics hate it, because, uh, it's designed for them to hate.

    15. JR

      Critics hate? What? They hate Yellowstone?

    16. TS

      A- and confounded by its success.

    17. JR

      Oh, God.

    18. TS

      They can't get their heads around why it's so

    19. NA

      (laughs)

    20. TS

      ... there's been. New York Times has done multiple, multiple articles-

    21. JR

      (laughs)

    22. TS

      ... where they're doing, like, this essay on, "How is this shit so popular?" (laughs)

    23. JR

      Oh, God. That's so funny. That's so funny that they don't get it.

    24. TS

      Uh, but 1883 was me growing up, saying like, "Hey, let's take a look back at history."

    25. JR

      Yeah.

    26. TS

      "Let's look at us and who us is as far as-

    27. JR

      Yeah.

    28. TS

      ... the, you know, the Europeans who settled this place. And, and let's not argue about whether they should or shouldn't have. Let's just look at what the hell they went through to do it."

    29. JR

      Critics are less relevant today than at any time in human history. They really are. They're, they're off so much more than they're on. I-

    30. TS

      Yeah, agreed.

  2. 15:00 – 30:00

    (laughs) …

    1. JR

    2. TS

      (laughs)

    3. JR

      He goes, this is, "We're in a war with the cyber world." And he goes, "And you built us an Alamo."

    4. TS

      Wow.

    5. JR

      Yeah, but that's... You know, when I came out here, you know, and there wasn't really a comedy club, and all these other comedians were moving out here because this is the only place we could do standup. It was during the pandemic.

    6. TS

      Right.

    7. JR

      It was like all the pieces fell together s- perfectly. It was like the universe opened up door after door at every step, and then all of a sudden, we're here. And there was like 15 of us, and we're working in these, like, little rock and roll clubs and EDM clubs, and we're doing stand- sold out shows, and the rest of the country's completely shut down. You can't even do standup indoors. And they all heard about Austin, that we were all out here, and then Ron White's like, "You gotta open up a club." And so I was like, "Okay, let's open up a fucking club." And then we bought this building and started b- we actually had a building that we bought before that was owned by a cult.

    8. TS

      Really?

    9. JR

      Yeah, there's a, there's a documentary on the cult called Holy Hell. You should watch it.

    10. TS

      Right. (laughs)

    11. JR

      It's pretty crazy. This guy came from West Hollywood, and, uh, right after Waco when the, uh, Cult Awareness Network started cracking down on all these cults after Waco burned down and the, you know, feds killed everybody, they, uh, moved out to Austin. And the cult member, the cult leader changed his name, got a new name, moved to Austin, and built a theater so he could dance in front of his followers, and I- (laughs)

    12. TS

      (laughs)

    13. JR

      ... and that was the theater I bought to start a club in.

    14. TS

      Wow. (laughs)

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. TS

      You know, my cousins were the federal marshals in Waco, and they knew Koresh.

    17. JR

      Oh, wow.

    18. TS

      And, and they had told the ATF. They said, "We were just there three days ago." Like, they could be whatever they are, but they, they're permitted up. And they were driving down I-35, and he looked up and saw these three choppers, and he knew exactly what was going on. And by the time he got to the Koresh compound, those guys had already been killed. (exhales) But he knew David, and, and he went up to the... Oh, maybe it was a week or two later. I can't remember how long they held up in there, but he said, "Let me just go talk to Koresh, and, uh, and see if I can get any of these women and kids out." And he did, and he walked up and knocked on the front door and took like 30 of them out.

    19. JR

      Wow.

    20. TS

      Before they just torched that place.

    21. JR

      Yeah, they did torch that place. And they denied doing it too. There's video footage of the tanks-

    22. TS

      The tank, tank driving right... Oh, on us.

    23. JR

      Driving in and shooting flames in, into the buildings. They just fucking lit everybody on fire.

    24. TS

      Yeah.

    25. JR

      Fuck you.

    26. TS

      Well...

    27. JR

      I don't even know what started it. It w- No, it was like one fed showed up, and then they got shot at or som- something happened.

    28. TS

      Well, I know four were killed in the first, when they went to hit that place. I think like nine got shot. I know we could pull it all up and look, but...

    29. JR

      Yeah.

    30. TS

      Um, you know, at that time, there, there was this big panic about militias.

  3. 30:00 – 45:00

    Did you? …

    1. TS

      in LA.

    2. JR

      Did you?

    3. TS

      For five years I went, um...... everything I ... it was wild caught or it was grown, uh, from... I bought it from the farm if it was a vegetable or fruit. And in Cal- ... and, and in LA, it really wasn't that hard to do.

    4. JR

      Farmers' markets and stuff like that.

    5. TS

      Farmers' markets for ... heck, you could even get, you know, y- you could go get wild caught fish at the farmers' market.

    6. JR

      Right.

    7. TS

      You could go get what farm grew this? Well, there's your kale or whatever you want. It's all right there. Like, it's ... it was actually not that difficult. And I'd come back to Texas and hunt for a weekend. Um, and that was my, you know, go shoot three deer, and that's-

    8. JR

      Yeah.

    9. TS

      ... a year's worth of food.

    10. JR

      Right.

    11. TS

      Three, three animals for a year.

    12. JR

      Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's best case scenario if you can pull that off. But most people are just so disconnected from it and so connected to the urban world where no one's growing anything. Everything has to be brought in by trucks. I was reading this, um, this story, uh, this, uh ... it's a book called, uh, Dissolving Illusions, and it's all about, um, the introduction of vaccines and it's about the pandemic diseases of the early 20th century. And they were talking about just the horrific conditions that people lived in in these urban cities before cars-

    13. TS

      Mm-hmm.

    14. JR

      ... 'cause they w- ... there was no buses. So how were you getting food? How are you getting vegetables? How are you getting all these things into these cities? These people lived with terrible nutrition, basically starved to death, living in places where there's, uh, outhouses that were shared by thousands of people. Everyone's stuffed in these tenement buildings. They're all breathing congested air. Everyone's getting diseases. There's n- no, no drugs to treat them, no antibiotics to treat them, and everyone's fucked.

    15. TS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    16. JR

      Yeah.

    17. TS

      Yeah. No, the ... th- ... you know, these ... and it's been that way, by the way, for 1,200 years. As soon as-

    18. JR

      Yeah.

    19. TS

      ... massive urban areas, you know, as soon as they sprouted up, I mean, look at, look at the plague.

    20. JR

      Yeah.

    21. TS

      That's what that is. That is a-

    22. JR

      It's where it comes from. Yeah.

    23. TS

      That's a flea-borne illness that you get because you're living in such close proximity to rats.

    24. JR

      Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    25. TS

      And why are there so many rats? Well, 'cause there's that much vermin and filth and-

    26. JR

      Yeah.

    27. TS

      ... waste for them to feast on.

    28. JR

      (clicks tongue) Yeah. I mean, it's nature's way of balancing things out. Nature's like, "Well, this is a fucking problem. Whatever you guys are doing here is not the way to do it, so-"

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      "... have fun with this."

  4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

    Yeah. …

    1. TS

      at the expense of another organism to the degree that if a certain weed grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass. If the tree grows up, this little, little sapling grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass. The grass grows up before the weeds, it kills the weeds, kills the flowers, kills this. It, everything is in competition with everything else. There is not a vegan fish, there's not a vegetarian fish. Every single fish, every frog, they are e- they're eating s-, they're eating another organism to survive, every one of them. And that's what we did for as long as... Whenever we split from apes, that's what we did. Apes still do it. They talk about, "Oh, they eat fruit." They eat fruit till they get ahold of those little freaking panzer monkeys.

    2. JR

      Yeah.

    3. TS

      Then they go to town, those chimpanzees.

    4. JR

      W- they didn't even know about that until that David Attenborough documentary.

    5. TS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      You ever see that one?

    7. TS

      Yeah. (laughs)

    8. JR

      Where they're eating the m- they're eating the monkeys in the trees. (exhales)

    9. TS

      Oh, dude, they go to war. If you ever wondered where-

    10. JR

      Eating them alive.

    11. TS

      ... our violent streak comes from-

    12. JR

      Oh, yeah.

    13. TS

      ... watch Chimpanzees.

    14. JR

      Yeah. Have you seen Chimp Nation?

    15. TS

      No.

    16. JR

      That's another great Netflix series.

    17. TS

      Yeah.

    18. JR

      Fuck. Incredible. They-

    19. TS

      Yeah.

    20. JR

      They kill each other. They, they, they... And I asked the guy, I go, "How often do they kill monkeys?" He goes, "We really didn't show h- how many times they killed monkeys," 'cause they did. They do it so often.

    21. TS

      Oh, yeah.

    22. JR

      I mean, it's literally their preferred food.

    23. TS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      They kill monkeys-

    25. TS

      They're gonna eat the leaves and the fruits and everything till they need that protein.

    26. JR

      Yeah, they, they eat the fruit if- 'cause it's easy.

    27. TS

      Yeah.

    28. JR

      But if they can find monkeys, they go after monkeys.

    29. TS

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      And they eat them alive. They just start chewing on them.

  5. 1:00:00 – 1:12:07

    Yeah. …

    1. JR

      a big deal is the fallout from bombs going off? Like, there's people that live in Fukushima now, right? Or- or- or N- Nagasaki right now, right? They- they live in Japan in the areas that got hit.

    2. TS

      Yeah.

    3. JR

      They live in Hiroshima. The- it's like, it's okay there now. Right? So w- how long is it... Like, those areas-

    4. TS

      I-

    5. JR

      ... where they t- did the tests, like, what's it like now?

    6. TS

      Is it-

    7. JR

      Is it fucked? Is it-

    8. TS

      I did read... At one point, I was reading a lot about all the cancer problems they were having, just like in Chernobyl, that they were having in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and those areas. Uh, and I don't know if they're still having those issues-

    9. JR

      Right, that was my question.

    10. TS

      ... three generations later.

    11. JR

      Was like, was this right after the bombs?... were the people that survived, that they got all that horrible radiation and then-

    12. TS

      I think it came in waves. I think there was a lot of cancers in, like, the three to five years afterwards.

    13. JR

      Hmm.

    14. TS

      And then again in 1015. We could probably look it up. Um, but it was, it was a continuous-

    15. NA

      Let's just back to this. Uh, the Russia count jumps really fast here in one month. It jumped... It did, like, 60 or so in one little area and it looks like July? No. Yeah. September of '61?

    16. JR

      Oh, boy.

    17. NA

      Did you see that? It went to, uh, it... 60 bombs went off.

    18. JR

      That's the-

    19. NA

      And right here.

    20. JR

      Dude, that's Khrushchev. That's the dude he banged his fucking shoe on the, on the desk, remember?

    21. NA

      (laughs)

    22. TS

      (laughs) He said, "We will bury you." See if you can find that. That's the, that... You wanna think how scary things are now? You wanna think of what it was like in the 1960s when Khrushchev is- Yeah.

    23. JR

      ... banging his fucking, his heel on the... L- let me hear it, because the, the fucking tone of his voice.

    24. NA

      This is beat to the rhythmic shoes song.

    25. JR

      Oh, they made a song out of it? (laughs)

    26. NA

      (laughs)

    27. TS

      (laughs)

    28. JR

      Of course. That's hilarious.

    29. NA

      That's still on two times also.

    30. JR

      That, that was scary fucking time, and those were people that had lost millions and millions and millions of soldiers in World War II.

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