Joe Rogan Experience #2083 - Taylor Sheridan

Taylor Sheridan is an actor, screenwriter, director, and rancher. He's the creator of the television series "Yellowstone" and "Tulsa King," and wrote the screenplay for the Denis Villeneuve film "Sicario." In addition to his work in the entertainment industry, Sheridan is the owner of 6666 Ranch and Four Sixes Ranch Brand Beef. He is an inductee of the 2021 Texas Cowboy Hall of Fame. www.6666steak.com

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0:00 – 2:00
Rogan binges the Yellowstone universe and crowns 1883
1. NANarrator
  (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's happening, brother?
2. TSTaylor Sheridan
  How you doing, man?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) Thanks for doing this, man.
4. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Man, thanks for having me.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Um, dude, listen, man. I, I've been a fan of your work for a while. First thing I ever saw that you did was Hell or High Water, but going through the, uh... My friend, Andrew Schulz, turned me onto Yellowstone. I got a text message from him once, like, at 1:00 in the morning. He's like, "Dude, Yellowstone. Have you seen it?" Like, "No, everybody's watching it. Should I watch it?" He's like, "Dude, watch it." So I got into Yellowstone, and it goes like, Yellowstone is fucking great, but 1923 is better, but 1883, holy shit. And on your recommendation, I finished it last night. I was up till 1:30 in the morning. I didn't sleep. I went to, I went to bed at, like, 4:00 'cause I was just laying around my house just thinking about it, just going, "What the fuck, man?"
6. TSTaylor Sheridan
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  That... I don't think anybody has ever nailed that time period like you did. I... There's nothing close. There's nothing even in the fucking ballpark. Nothing.
8. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Well, thanks. I, I... You know, the reason I chose to do this for a living, um, I was off to my third college I was gonna go flunk out of.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
10. TSTaylor Sheridan
  And, uh, and, and right before I left, I had read Lonesome Dove, you know, M- Mercury's book, and then I saw the miniseries with Duvall and, and Tom Lee, and I said, "I w- I wanna do that. I don't know what that is, but that's what I wanna do."
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
12. TSTaylor Sheridan
  You know, so I started, I started as an actor first 'cause I thought that's what it was, and then I realized, I'm not doing that. I'm not creating a story. And then finally, you know, I got the conus to quit and, and, and write my own. But yeah, 1883 was me. Yellowstone's, uh, the, the punk rock me. There's a, there's a fair amount of, um... It's, it has no plot, really, you know, "Don't take my land. I want your land."
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. (laughs)
2:00 – 4:45
Why critics miss: audience success vs. modern moral lenses
1. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Um, and in that, I have a lot of opportunities to, to poke fun but also kinda point out different points of views and kinda really study a way of life and a world. Um, but there's a lot of defiance in the way that I do it. It's, it's not surprising that critics hate it, because, uh, it's designed for them to hate.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Critics hate? What? They hate Yellowstone?
3. TSTaylor Sheridan
  A- and confounded by its success.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, God.
5. TSTaylor Sheridan
  They can't get their heads around why it's so
6. NANarrator
  (laughs)
7. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... there's been. New York Times has done multiple, multiple articles-
8. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
9. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... where they're doing, like, this essay on, "How is this shit so popular?" (laughs)
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, God. That's so funny. That's so funny that they don't get it.
11. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Uh, but 1883 was me growing up, saying like, "Hey, let's take a look back at history."
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
13. TSTaylor Sheridan
  "Let's look at us and who us is as far as-
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... the, you know, the Europeans who settled this place. And, and let's not argue about whether they should or shouldn't have. Let's just look at what the hell they went through to do it."
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Critics are less relevant today than at any time in human history. They really are. They're, they're off so much more than they're on. I-
17. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah, agreed.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  And most people don't buy into it at all. Like, if you look at the... Like, a p- perfect example is, uh, one of Dave Chappelle's specials, the critics' score was like 3% on Rotten Tomatoes, and then the public score was 97%.
19. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, that's all you need to know.
21. TSTaylor Sheridan
  That's why it's all my shows.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Like, who, who the fuck are you? Like, who are these people? Who are these-
23. TSTaylor Sheridan
  I have a-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  ... people that are critics?
25. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... I have a show called Mayor of Kingstown, which is all about, literally, the decay of an American city, and I think it was 21% on Rotten Tomatoes and 94% audience ratings, something like that.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
27. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Some- something bananas.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Of course. And it... I just don't understand why they're still employed. I mean, what, what is the purpose that they serve other than speaking to other completely disconnected, supposedly highbrow people that live in congested urban areas?
29. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah, and I think also that critics, uh, uh, and I don't know why, but they seem to feel a need to judge any project by what it... How is it looking at the lens through today's new questioned morality? How is... What should we be making movies about?
30. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
4:45 – 8:50
Comedy, offensiveness, and the death of the comedy movie
1. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... way to get me out of... That's the reason I hated Forrest Gump, and I don't mean to say that.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
3. TSTaylor Sheridan
  I'm gonna catch a lot of shit. But this doddering fucking idiot is the only guy that can figure out the world?
4. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
5. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Everybody else around him, he's just gonna go on a fucking run across America and everyone's gonna follow him, and that's gonna heal the country? I just was like, "What is this shit?"
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, I think back then, it was just... it was novel 'cause it was... the idea was like, the, the wor- like, it could be so much simpler, that this simple guy could figure it out, and that we're all so disconnected from the solutions-
7. TSTaylor Sheridan
  The irony is you, you couldn't make that movie today.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, no way.
9. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Because someone would be too offended at-
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Sure.
11. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... the portrayal of Forrest's character.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, my favorite movie that you could never make today is Tropic Thunder.
13. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Oh. (laughs)
14. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs) It's a fucking great movie! I'm so glad they haven't banned it, you know. Like, like, they've done so many books. Like, you know... And Tom Hanks, uh, you know, like, if you go and watch his portrayal of Forrest Gump, it's nothing compared to the way they do, like, that simple Jack character in-
15. TSTaylor Sheridan
  (laughs)
16. JRJoe Rogan
  ... Tropic Thunder. (laughs) And when he says you never go full retard, like, you can't even say that word anymore.
17. TSTaylor Sheridan
  No, but, but if you look at that movie, which was designed to offend but also...... ridicule us taking ourselves too seriously. That's-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
19. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... that's one of our jobs.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Yes.
21. TSTaylor Sheridan
  You know, it's hey let's-
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
23. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... we're all taking ourselves way too seriously, and if we can make light of this and make jokes about this, then all of a sudden it won't feel so serious and we can be reflective.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, what, what's happened in your business has happened in my business too, the business of comedy. Like, comedy movies are dead. They've b- they've c- essentially killed the genre. All the movies that we grew up loving, like, all the movies like Something About Mary, and you know, fucking, you can go down the line all the way down to Animal House. You can never make any of those movies anymore.
25. TSTaylor Sheridan
  No. And, and to go one step further, like comedians, since Lenny Bruce, these guys, men and women whose job it was to push the envelope as far as it can be pushed to help us look at ourselves. And you think of the greats, like the great comics, Bill Hicks, Eddie Murphy, Sam Kinison, I mean there's Robin Williams. And, uh, uh, and you look at their, at their acts, hell look at, look at, uh, what, what's her name before she did a talk show? Joan Rivers.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
27. TSTaylor Sheridan
  None of their acts would be socially acceptable today. And, and I don't know that they were socially acceptable then, but that was their job. Richard Pryor-
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
29. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... he couldn't say 90% of what he said.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
8:50 – 15:45
Coddling, social media outrage, and ‘words are violence’
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Well, we're in a weird time where everybody has a say, and I don't think everybody should be able to talk. (laughs) It's like, I mean, everybody should be able to talk, but through social media that gets just broadcast en masse to the world, and you get these groups of people that they huddle up in these fucking echo chambers and they duke it out.
2. TSTaylor Sheridan
  I think, I think we have a, what's happening right now, and it's privilege, it's, it's from a coddled where the... This is the wealthiest nation, society in the history of civilization.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
4. TSTaylor Sheridan
  And people are so coddled that they have confused feelings with rights, and your feelings being hurt is a violation of your rights, and it's not.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. TSTaylor Sheridan
  You do not have a right to never be offended.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  It's worse than that. They've confused hurting your feelings with violence.
8. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah. (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  They, they literally say words are violence.
10. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah, yeah.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  It's like what you've never seen-
12. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Disagreeing with someone is violence.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  You've never seen real violence then. You're talking nonsense.
14. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Somebody said something once and I've repeated it many times, but it's a great thing to say. The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, even it's, if you just... The worst thing that's ever happened to you, you got a flat tire. "Oh my God."
16. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  If you had a bunch of shit happen and you get a flat tire, you're like, "I guess I gotta change my tire. It's no big deal." But if you are living this fucking sheltered life and the worst thing that's ever happened is you're a, a, a dude in a dress and someone misgenders you, you know, like, "Oh my God, this is violence." Like, no, this is not violence. You, you're a fucking guy in a dress and it's confusing, man. It's fucking confusing. If you want me to call you a girl, I'll call you a girl. But this is confusing. This is fucking confusing.
18. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Well, they-
19. JRJoe Rogan
  This is not violence.
20. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... the other thing is they'll say now if you disagree with someone, you're phobic.
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. TSTaylor Sheridan
  W- when a phobia is an irrational fear of something.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
24. TSTaylor Sheridan
  So disagreeing is not an irrational fear, it's disagreement.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
26. TSTaylor Sheridan
  And, and we've reached a point to where people won't e-... They can't even have a conversation because someone's gonna sit there and scream. As soon as you hear violence or you hear... Then the conversation's over.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. You're racist, you're transphobic, you're homophobic, whatever you are, conversation's over. They've minimalized everything. They've marginalized your position. It's, it's interesting. It, it's terrible for comedy movies though. But it's really fun for comedy though. For standup comedy, it's r- it's actually fun.
28. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Are they, are they running with it?
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh my God, we're having a great time. It's like what... My friend Ari said it best, he said, "This is a really great time for comedy 'cause comedy's dangerous again." 'Cause comedy didn't used to be dangerous for a long time. You could g- there was a lot of shock comics that were kinda, they were saying things just to be shocking, you know? And I certainly did that early in my career. And now, like, if you have, you have a position to defend, if you're gonna go out on a limb, you're gonna make fun of something that's dangerous, you gotta have that shit tight.
30. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Right.
15:45 – 20:25
Cults, Waco, and how charismatic leaders build control
1. JRJoe Rogan
  up a fucking club." And then we bought this building and started b- we actually had a building that we bought before that was owned by a cult.
2. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Really?
3. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, there's a, there's a documentary on the cult called Holy Hell. You should watch it.
4. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Right. (laughs)
5. JRJoe Rogan
  It's pretty crazy. This guy came from West Hollywood, and, uh, right after Waco when the, uh, Cult Awareness Network started cracking down on all these cults after Waco burned down and the, you know, feds killed everybody, they, uh, moved out to Austin. And the cult member, the cult leader changed his name, got a new name, moved to Austin, and built a theater so he could dance in front of his followers, and I- (laughs)
6. TSTaylor Sheridan
  (laughs)
7. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and that was the theater I bought to start a club in.
8. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Wow. (laughs)
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
10. TSTaylor Sheridan
  You know, my cousins were the federal marshals in Waco, and they knew Koresh.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, wow.
12. TSTaylor Sheridan
  And, and they had told the ATF. They said, "We were just there three days ago." Like, they could be whatever they are, but they, they're permitted up. And they were driving down I-35, and he looked up and saw these three choppers, and he knew exactly what was going on. And by the time he got to the Koresh compound, those guys had already been killed. (exhales) But he knew David, and, and he went up to the... Oh, maybe it was a week or two later. I can't remember how long they held up in there, but he said, "Let me just go talk to Koresh, and, uh, and see if I can get any of these women and kids out." And he did, and he walked up and knocked on the front door and took like 30 of them out.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
14. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Before they just torched that place.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, they did torch that place. And they denied doing it too. There's video footage of the tanks-
16. TSTaylor Sheridan
  The tank, tank driving right... Oh, on us.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Driving in and shooting flames in, into the buildings. They just fucking lit everybody on fire.
18. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Fuck you.
20. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Well...
21. JRJoe Rogan
  I don't even know what started it. It w- No, it was like one fed showed up, and then they got shot at or som- something happened.
22. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Well, I know four were killed in the first, when they went to hit that place. I think like nine got shot. I know we could pull it all up and look, but...
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
24. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Um, you know, at that time, there, there was this big panic about militias.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
26. TSTaylor Sheridan
  You know, 'cause at the same time you got Ruby Ridge happened right around the same time.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
28. TSTaylor Sheridan
  You had all these, and the FBI was just getting kind of... Not, or ATF was kind of getting spanked in spots, and, and they were trying to c- clean up their image or, or prevent whatever, and th- that was their mission du jour, was like get rid of all these militias.
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. TSTaylor Sheridan
  And, and, you know, surprising little overreach on the government's part.
20:25 – 32:21
1883 research: immigrant reality, free-land ads, and trail mortality
1. JRJoe Rogan
  There's a lot of those. Well, that's the craziest thing about 1883 is that you don't have to do any dramatic embellishment. There's no- doesn't have to be any, any fucking with the truth. It's, that is literally what went down. Those people literally came here. They d- you were telling me on the phone that, what percentage of the people that, that made the trek across couldn't even speak English?
2. TSTaylor Sheridan
  You know, it, something like 40%.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
4. TSTaylor Sheridan
  You know, they used to come in from, they, they would come into ... And of course, what, what our government was doing was we needed people for a multitude of reasons, uh, after the Civil War. So many of the workforce had been killed, you know, one point something million soldiers died that, that we know of. We don't know how many other civilians. So we needed people. Um, we needed people to settle the West 'cause manifest destiny basically said, "Hey, we," you know, "there's all this land we bought from whoever we bought it from," France, I guess, the Louisiana Purchase, um, "and we can't settle it 'cause every time we, we try, the Lakota or the Comanche kick the shit out of us. So we should send a bunch of Central Europeans and Eastern Europeans over there and let them get in the middle of it." And so in all of these, uh ... And you can, you can look up, if you were to put it into the computer, you could pull up all of these pamphlets they would put out and ads they would put out in newspapers in Romania and Norway, obviously Ireland. They did it everywhere, Germany, and said, "Come, free land."
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
6. TSTaylor Sheridan
  "Come get your free land." And when I started researching it, um, you know, there were people that would come from areas where it was against the law to swim. They were not allowed to swim.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  Wow.
8. TSTaylor Sheridan
  There weren't, no one knew how to swim. So-
9. JRJoe Rogan
  It was against the law to swim?
10. TSTaylor Sheridan
  It was against the law to swim.
11. JRJoe Rogan
  What the fu- (laughs) That seems so ins- what seems so insane, what, what really struck me, I mean, I, I did a lot of thinking about that show last night. Like, it, it ended, I did my binge, I ended the binge at, like, 2:00 in the morning. And, you know, at nighttime I do some of my most fucked-up thinking because everyone is asleep-
12. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
13. JRJoe Rogan
  ... in my house. It's just me, and I, I, I generally do most of my writing when everyone's asleep. And I was just thinking, that's 140 years ago. That's nothing. I'm 56 years old. When I was in high school, it was in 1983, so that was 100 years ago. I was a sophomore in high school. So I was ... 100 years is nothing. 100 years before that, you make your way across the country on a fucking wagon, and you get free land.
14. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
15. JRJoe Rogan
  100 years. That's so short a period of time. It's so hard for us to really appreciate how recent that is and how d- how, how fucking insane the change in this country over such a short period of time has been.
16. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Meteoric.
17. JRJoe Rogan
  Meteoric. Nothing like it.
18. TSTaylor Sheridan
  I just read something in the last day or two that, and I'm gonna get it wrong, but 1937 is closer to 1984 than 2023 is to '84 or something like that.
19. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
20. TSTaylor Sheridan
  And if you think about the-
21. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
22. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... the gap between 1984 and 2023 and then what '84 was like, I was alive, you were alive, to now, it doesn't seem like that dramatic a, a change. Obviously there is internet, but you still had cars. You had phones. You couldn't take them with you, but you had them. But 1937? (laughs) We haven't even, we haven't even made penicillin yet.
23. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
24. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... that's just 40 years.
25. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, trench warfare.
26. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
27. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. World War I.
28. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah. No, these, these... They came over here, they didn't speak the language. They knew nothing about the land, knew nothing about the water. Had no... It did... By the way, you can be rest assured it did not say in that advertisement in the Romanian Times, "There's other people who already live there (laughs) who will kill you when you show up."
29. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
30. TSTaylor Sheridan
  It didn't mention any of that. Um, they didn't hear about the Indians till they got to Galveston and, you know, they're buying their supplies. "You need a gun? W- why would you need a gun?" "Well, the Indians." "The who?" (laughs)
32:21 – 1:12:07
Native American power, disease collapse, and the buffalo strategy
1. TSTaylor Sheridan
  It's also with the, with the Native Americans, you know, you look at the Comanche, you look at any of them, it was the disease that-
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
3. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... when, when ... from the first pilgrims-
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
5. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... all these things that, that Europeans brought over and, I mean, it just decimated. I think cholera killed 60% of the Comanche.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, they said that 90% of the people killed in North America were killed by diseases.
7. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  90% of the Native Americans.
9. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah. And that, that story hasn't been told properly, you know? And that's what I- I really appreciated about 1883. It's like, you, you talked ab- ... I mean, this was at the end of the Native American empire, essentially. This was when there was still a little bit of buffalo left. There's still, you know, they're moving Indians to reservations. Then the Indians that were out, they were resisting it, you know? And it's just ... and then these people are trying to make their way in this fucking wagon train across the country. What of the-
11. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Mm-hmm.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  What percentage of those people died that were trying to do that?
13. TSTaylor Sheridan
  (sighs) I mean, I, I don't know that there's any ... a- anywhere along the Oregon Trail you could ... you can drive along or, th- ... you know, there's markers just everywhere. Everywhere. And especially the further up you get into Wyoming and the further you start getting through, like, the Lander cutoff, uh, and South Pass, then they're just ... And that's the ones that, you know, that got a marker.
14. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
15. TSTaylor Sheridan
  So it's ... how do you know?
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
17. TSTaylor Sheridan
  You know, the handcart, uh, the Mormon Church brought a lot of people out, and they didn't have a lot of money, enough money to give them, uh, full wagons, even though that's what they promised, so they made these handcarts that people would pull from wherever they took off from, somewhere in Ohio, uh, to try and get to, to Utah. Um, and so these people pulled them by hand. They'd put their wife and their gear, their kids or whatever, and then they'd pull them, these two-wheeled carts-
18. JRJoe Rogan
  (laughs)
19. TSTaylor Sheridan
  ... like chariots without a horse. And, you know, one winter they left too late and got caught in the winter, and the whole trick was if you didn't make it to this certain spot in Wyoming by July 4th, you were not gonna make it. You were gonna get caught in the pass and you were gonna die. And something like 25,000 people died in one year.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  (exhales) Wow.
21. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Just mind-numbing statistics.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Insane.
23. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Insane. And it's, it's so interesting that the, the early films on the West, uh, they were ... they never covered that. The early films in the West were, like, these really sort of shallow surface films that were fun movies, you know, Cowboys Versus Indians, the spaghetti Westerns, and that kind of stuff. But no one had any sort of real understanding of what actually went down.
25. TSTaylor Sheridan
  No, you didn't. The notion of getting free land, uh, that you could go farm, uh, with, by the way, nothing. You're gonna go somewhere with nothing. Like, there's no stores. You're gonna have to make everything. You have to figure it all out on your own. Who would choose that? Not a successful blacksmith, not somebody that's got a nice comfortable home in Maryland or wherever in the ... Why, why? Why would you do that? You have to have no other option.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
27. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Right? All the people that came over from, from whatever European nation they came from, they didn't come for an adventure.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
29. TSTaylor Sheridan
  They came because they were fucking starving. My family came over from Ireland because of the potato famine. They didn't, they didn't want to. They had to.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  Right.
49:44 – 57:02
Energy reality check: oil dependence, EV mandates, nuclear, and cold fusion
1. TSTaylor Sheridan
  I'm making a, I'm making a TV show about this.
2. JRJoe Rogan
  Are you?
3. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Right now. Yeah. Called Landman with Billy Bob Thornton.
4. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, wow.
5. TSTaylor Sheridan
  About the oil industry and about energy.
6. JRJoe Rogan
  I love Billy Bob Thornton.
7. TSTaylor Sheridan
  That's a gangster.
8. JRJoe Rogan
  I love that dude.
9. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Gangster.
10. JRJoe Rogan
  He's great.
11. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah. And doesn't give a fuck. Does not give a fuck.
12. JRJoe Rogan
  And he was great in 1883 too.
13. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Oh, yeah. (laughs)
14. JRJoe Rogan
  He's great. I love that dude.
15. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Showed up for one day, goes, "What am I doing? Doing this? Great." (laughs)
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Just perfect.
17. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Wicked.
18. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
19. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Wicked. That's, that's when I decided, I s- I'm, I got something for you.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  Nice.
21. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Like, there's something we can do. But people don't understand, you know, they're mandating all these electric vehicles in California.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm-hmm.
23. TSTaylor Sheridan
  75% of California's, uh, electricity comes from fossil fuels. Um, about 15% comes from wind and alternative energy, and then they still get a little from nuclear. I don't know why everyone got off nuclear. That was like the-
24. JRJoe Rogan
  That's the, that's the best thing for the environment.
25. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Believe it or not.
27. TSTaylor Sheridan
  We, we are... I spoke, when I was researching Landman, I, I, I reached out to some guys on... MIT has a climate change board, they've got a bunch of scientists that are, you know... All they're doing is trying to figure out, what is our next energy source? Like, what is a reliable energy source that's clean? And cold fusion is pretty much the thing that they've all penned as this is gonna be the deal. Um, but they think we're 30 to 40 years from having it to where it can even generate enough power. The, right now, for the first time ever, uh, they were able to create electricity with a, uh, uh, through cold fusion that created more electricity than it took to create it.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Mm.
29. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Like, so they just net zeroed it. So how long before they can make enough of it, they can make it efficient enough that someone can charge us for it and it's still affordable to us? How far off? And then the infrastructure.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  What is, what's the method of cold fusion? Like, I don't even know how it's done.
57:02 – 1:26:37
Nuclear testing frenzy, Cold War theater, and communism’s outcomes
1. JRJoe Rogan
  Only 137 miles from atomic testing range at Yucca Flat, Nevada. Yeah, they just blew shit up out there. (laughs) Have you ever seen the map? There's a video of, uh, the map of the United States, and it's a- it's actually a map of the world, but a lot of them happen in the United States. And it shows all the nuclear tests that are happening all around the world, like, when they first did it. Like, it shows the Trinity bomb, boom. And then it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then it gets into the '50s, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Watch this. Go to the first one.
2. NANarrator
  This goes on for 15 minutes, so we'll skip ahead.
3. JRJoe Rogan
  I know, but it's amazing. (laughs) We don't ha- we don't have to watch the full 15 minutes. Can you, like, triple speed it or something?
4. NANarrator
  Uh, yeah.
5. JRJoe Rogan
  Doesn't it do that?
6. NANarrator
  I can try.
7. JRJoe Rogan
  We did it the other day, right?
8. NANarrator
  Let me see.
9. JRJoe Rogan
  Playback speed normal.
10. NANarrator
  Is it too fast-
11. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah.
12. NANarrator
  ... to do?
13. JRJoe Rogan
  Okay, so just watch a little bit of this. So the first one goes off, boom, boom. They're doing them in the ocean, 'cause that's great for the fish.
14. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Mm-hmm.
15. NANarrator
  It also, at the top, will tell you who's doing them, so, like, the first couple are us.
16. JRJoe Rogan
  Right. Five of 'em are... So we've, we're five in now. It's the United States. Eight United States. We're like, "I'm not sure if it works. (laughs) Let's keep doing it." These are all in the ocean by the way, so- so far the ones we've seen. Now Russia starts popping off. Oh shit, Russia's got one. Boom, they did a test. And we're like, "Oh, bitch, we're gonna have to do some more tests now."
17. NANarrator
  (laughs)
18. JRJoe Rogan
  You guys think you got a nuclear bomb, motherfucker? We got 500,000 of them. 16, 17. Now, by this time in 1951, the United States has 24-
19. NANarrator
  Wow.
20. JRJoe Rogan
  ... and Russia has three.
21. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Wow.
22. JRJoe Rogan
  This is 1952. I mean, here now, now the United States has 30, no- (laughs) now if you look at this (laughs) , we go up to 45, like quick, and then Russia goes to eight. They're trying to keep up.
23. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Australia snuck some in there.
24. JRJoe Rogan
  Oh, did they really?
25. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah. (laughs)
26. JRJoe Rogan
  Look at that, they got three.
27. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Or- Or Great Britain did, and they just decided to set it off in Australia.
28. JRJoe Rogan
  Yeah, that's probably what they did. Look at this, United States has got 66 now. We're just popping off. So now these are all happening in Nevada. You're seeing them all-
29. TSTaylor Sheridan
  Yeah.
30. JRJoe Rogan
  ... pop off in the United States, uh, so far at least in that same area, which has got to be Nevada. See? There, look at- they're all popping off in that same area.