Joe Rogan Experience #2083 - Taylor Sheridan

Narrator 0:00 (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's happening, brother?

Taylor Sheridan 0:13 How you doing, man?

Joe Rogan 0:14 (laughs) Thanks for doing this, man.

Taylor Sheridan 0:15 Man, thanks for having me.

Joe Rogan 0:16 Um, dude, listen, man. I, I've been a fan of your work for a while. First thing I ever saw that you did was Hell or High Water, but going through the, uh... My friend, Andrew Schulz, turned me onto Yellowstone. I got a text message from him once, like, at 1:00 in the morning. He's like, "Dude, Yellowstone. Have you seen it?" Like, "No, everybody's watching it. Should I watch it?" He's like, "Dude, watch it." So I got into Yellowstone, and it goes like, Yellowstone is fucking great, but 1923 is better, but 1883, holy shit. And on your recommendation, I finished it last night. I was up till 1:30 in the morning. I didn't sleep. I went to, I went to bed at, like, 4:00 'cause I was just laying around my house just thinking about it, just going, "What the fuck, man?"

Taylor Sheridan 0:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 0:58 That... I don't think anybody has ever nailed that time period like you did. I... There's nothing close. There's nothing even in the fucking ballpark. Nothing.

Taylor Sheridan 1:08 Well, thanks. I, I... You know, the reason I chose to do this for a living, um, I was off to my third college I was gonna go flunk out of.

Joe Rogan 1:18 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 1:18 And, uh, and, and right before I left, I had read Lonesome Dove, you know, M- Mercury's book, and then I saw the miniseries with Duvall and, and Tom Lee, and I said, "I w- I wanna do that. I don't know what that is, but that's what I wanna do."

Joe Rogan 1:36 Wow.

Taylor Sheridan 1:36 You know, so I started, I started as an actor first 'cause I thought that's what it was, and then I realized, I'm not doing that. I'm not creating a story. And then finally, you know, I got the conus to quit and, and, and write my own. But yeah, 1883 was me. Yellowstone's, uh, the, the punk rock me. There's a, there's a fair amount of, um... It's, it has no plot, really, you know, "Don't take my land. I want your land."

Joe Rogan 1:59 Right. (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 2:00 Um, and in that, I have a lot of opportunities to, to poke fun but also kinda point out different points of views and kinda really study a way of life and a world. Um, but there's a lot of defiance in the way that I do it. It's, it's not surprising that critics hate it, because, uh, it's designed for them to hate.

Joe Rogan 2:16 Critics hate? What? They hate Yellowstone?

Taylor Sheridan 2:18 A- and confounded by its success.

Joe Rogan 2:20 Oh, God.

Taylor Sheridan 2:21 They can't get their heads around why it's so

Narrator 2:23 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 2:23 ... there's been. New York Times has done multiple, multiple articles-

Joe Rogan 2:28 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 2:28 ... where they're doing, like, this essay on, "How is this shit so popular?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 2:32 Oh, God. That's so funny. That's so funny that they don't get it.

Taylor Sheridan 2:36 Uh, but 1883 was me growing up, saying like, "Hey, let's take a look back at history."

Joe Rogan 2:40 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 2:40 "Let's look at us and who us is as far as-

Joe Rogan 2:44 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 2:44 ... the, you know, the Europeans who settled this place. And, and let's not argue about whether they should or shouldn't have. Let's just look at what the hell they went through to do it."

Joe Rogan 2:53 Critics are less relevant today than at any time in human history. They really are. They're, they're off so much more than they're on. I-

Taylor Sheridan 3:03 Yeah, agreed.

Joe Rogan 3:04 And most people don't buy into it at all. Like, if you look at the... Like, a p- perfect example is, uh, one of Dave Chappelle's specials, the critics' score was like 3% on Rotten Tomatoes, and then the public score was 97%.

Taylor Sheridan 3:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 3:20 Like, that's all you need to know.

Taylor Sheridan 3:21 That's why it's all my shows.

Joe Rogan 3:22 Like, who, who the fuck are you? Like, who are these people? Who are these-

Taylor Sheridan 3:24 I have a-

Joe Rogan 3:24 ... people that are critics?

Taylor Sheridan 3:25 ... I have a show called Mayor of Kingstown, which is all about, literally, the decay of an American city, and I think it was 21% on Rotten Tomatoes and 94% audience ratings, something like that.

Joe Rogan 3:36 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 3:36 Some- something bananas.

Joe Rogan 3:38 Of course. And it... I just don't understand why they're still employed. I mean, what, what is the purpose that they serve other than speaking to other completely disconnected, supposedly highbrow people that live in congested urban areas?

Taylor Sheridan 3:55 Yeah, and I think also that critics, uh, uh, and I don't know why, but they seem to feel a need to judge any project by what it... How is it looking at the lens through today's new questioned morality? How is... What should we be making movies about?

Joe Rogan 4:13 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 4:13 And you can make a shitty movie about something that they support, and they're gonna support that movie.

Joe Rogan 4:17 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 4:17 But my... That's not my job. My job as a storyteller is to pick a world and look through the window, and not judge it, and go, "Hey, here's what it was."

Joe Rogan 4:24 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 4:25 And, and here's the decisions some people made. And, you know, for me, you know, the Holy Grail as a storyteller is entertain, educate, and enlighten. Don't give anybody answers, just lots of questions to think about. That's my job, 'cause I can't stand to pay money and have somebody preach to me-

Joe Rogan 4:43 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 4:43 ... their ideas. That's the fastest-

Joe Rogan 4:44 Well, that's what's-

Taylor Sheridan 4:45 ... way to get me out of... That's the reason I hated Forrest Gump, and I don't mean to say that.

Joe Rogan 4:48 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 4:49 I'm gonna catch a lot of shit. But this doddering fucking idiot is the only guy that can figure out the world?

Joe Rogan 4:53 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 4:53 Everybody else around him, he's just gonna go on a fucking run across America and everyone's gonna follow him, and that's gonna heal the country? I just was like, "What is this shit?"

Joe Rogan 5:01 Well, I think back then, it was just... it was novel 'cause it was... the idea was like, the, the wor- like, it could be so much simpler, that this simple guy could figure it out, and that we're all so disconnected from the solutions-

Taylor Sheridan 5:16 The irony is you, you couldn't make that movie today.

Joe Rogan 5:18 Oh, no way.

Taylor Sheridan 5:18 Because someone would be too offended at-

Joe Rogan 5:20 Sure.

Taylor Sheridan 5:20 ... the portrayal of Forrest's character.

Joe Rogan 5:22 Well, my favorite movie that you could never make today is Tropic Thunder.

Taylor Sheridan 5:26 Oh. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:28 (laughs) It's a fucking great movie! I'm so glad they haven't banned it, you know. Like, like, they've done so many books. Like, you know... And Tom Hanks, uh, you know, like, if you go and watch his portrayal of Forrest Gump, it's nothing compared to the way they do, like, that simple Jack character in-

Taylor Sheridan 5:49 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 5:49 ... Tropic Thunder. (laughs) And when he says you never go full retard, like, you can't even say that word anymore.

Taylor Sheridan 5:55 No, but, but if you look at that movie, which was designed to offend but also...... ridicule us taking ourselves too seriously. That's-

Joe Rogan 6:04 Yes.

Taylor Sheridan 6:04 ... that's one of our jobs.

Joe Rogan 6:05 Yes.

Taylor Sheridan 6:06 You know, it's hey let's-

Joe Rogan 6:07 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 6:07 ... we're all taking ourselves way too seriously, and if we can make light of this and make jokes about this, then all of a sudden it won't feel so serious and we can be reflective.

Joe Rogan 6:15 Well, what, what's happened in your business has happened in my business too, the business of comedy. Like, comedy movies are dead. They've b- they've c- essentially killed the genre. All the movies that we grew up loving, like, all the movies like Something About Mary, and you know, fucking, you can go down the line all the way down to Animal House. You can never make any of those movies anymore.

Taylor Sheridan 6:36 No. And, and to go one step further, like comedians, since Lenny Bruce, these guys, men and women whose job it was to push the envelope as far as it can be pushed to help us look at ourselves. And you think of the greats, like the great comics, Bill Hicks, Eddie Murphy, Sam Kinison, I mean there's Robin Williams. And, uh, uh, and you look at their, at their acts, hell look at, look at, uh, what, what's her name before she did a talk show? Joan Rivers.

Joe Rogan 7:07 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 7:09 None of their acts would be socially acceptable today. And, and I don't know that they were socially acceptable then, but that was their job. Richard Pryor-

Joe Rogan 7:15 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 7:15 ... he couldn't say 90% of what he said.

Joe Rogan 7:18 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 7:18 But he's, but you need people to sit there and push those boundaries, 'cause art to one person's offensive to another, but you gotta have it, you gotta have it all.

Joe Rogan 7:25 Yeah, we say, you know, in the comedy world, we say we're the last line of defense, 'cause this is where, where the woke meets the wall. The woke meets the wall with standup comedy. There's, there's... You can't have woke comedy. It sucks. It's impossible. You can't, like, always punch up and cater to everybody, and it's like, no. It's, that's not what's funny. What's funny is the, the fucking weird things that people do and all of our hypocrisies and all of our contradictions and all, all the chaos about being a human being. And if you wanna never make fun of marginalized groups or never make fun of protected classes or never make fun of anybody that's downtrodden or disassociated or disaf- well, you can't do that. You can't. That's, that's not standup comedy. Standup comedy has to be everything. It has to be everything that's funny regardless of whether or not it's socially acceptable to make fun of those things.

Taylor Sheridan 8:18 And I think that we need to... It's healing to laugh, right?

Joe Rogan 8:23 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 8:23 It's healing to, to... And by the way, if we're gonna talk about race relations, uh, who are some of the people that helped push that, who helped people understand how you felt on, you know... How in the world when I'm 14 years old am I supposed to know how it feels to be African American in LA? How am I gonna know that growing up in a small town in Texas? But then you see a comic who's from South Central LA make jokes about me, make jokes about living there, and you get some understanding of it.

Joe Rogan 8:46 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 8:47 You have some empathy. You have some, some knowledge.

Joe Rogan 8:50 Well, we're in a weird time where everybody has a say, and I don't think everybody should be able to talk. (laughs) It's like, I mean, everybody should be able to talk, but through social media that gets just broadcast en masse to the world, and you get these groups of people that they huddle up in these fucking echo chambers and they duke it out.

Taylor Sheridan 9:11 I think, I think we have a, what's happening right now, and it's privilege, it's, it's from a coddled where the... This is the wealthiest nation, society in the history of civilization.

Joe Rogan 9:24 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 9:25 And people are so coddled that they have confused feelings with rights, and your feelings being hurt is a violation of your rights, and it's not.

Joe Rogan 9:35 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 9:36 You do not have a right to never be offended.

Joe Rogan 9:38 It's worse than that. They've confused hurting your feelings with violence.

Taylor Sheridan 9:42 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 9:42 They, they literally say words are violence.

Taylor Sheridan 9:44 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:44 It's like what you've never seen-

Taylor Sheridan 9:44 Disagreeing with someone is violence.

Joe Rogan 9:45 You've never seen real violence then. You're talking nonsense.

Taylor Sheridan 9:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 9:48 Somebody said something once and I've repeated it many times, but it's a great thing to say. The worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst thing that's ever happened to you, even it's, if you just... The worst thing that's ever happened to you, you got a flat tire. "Oh my God."

Taylor Sheridan 10:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:00 If you had a bunch of shit happen and you get a flat tire, you're like, "I guess I gotta change my tire. It's no big deal." But if you are living this fucking sheltered life and the worst thing that's ever happened is you're a, a, a dude in a dress and someone misgenders you, you know, like, "Oh my God, this is violence." Like, no, this is not violence. You, you're a fucking guy in a dress and it's confusing, man. It's fucking confusing. If you want me to call you a girl, I'll call you a girl. But this is confusing. This is fucking confusing.

Taylor Sheridan 10:27 Well, they-

Joe Rogan 10:27 This is not violence.

Taylor Sheridan 10:28 ... the other thing is they'll say now if you disagree with someone, you're phobic.

Joe Rogan 10:32 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 10:33 W- when a phobia is an irrational fear of something.

Joe Rogan 10:35 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 10:36 So disagreeing is not an irrational fear, it's disagreement.

Joe Rogan 10:39 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 10:39 And, and we've reached a point to where people won't e-... They can't even have a conversation because someone's gonna sit there and scream. As soon as you hear violence or you hear... Then the conversation's over.

Joe Rogan 10:47 Right. You're racist, you're transphobic, you're homophobic, whatever you are, conversation's over. They've minimalized everything. They've marginalized your position. It's, it's interesting. It, it's terrible for comedy movies though. But it's really fun for comedy though. For standup comedy, it's r- it's actually fun.

Taylor Sheridan 11:04 Are they, are they running with it?

Joe Rogan 11:05 Oh my God, we're having a great time. It's like what... My friend Ari said it best, he said, "This is a really great time for comedy 'cause comedy's dangerous again." 'Cause comedy didn't used to be dangerous for a long time. You could g- there was a lot of shock comics that were kinda, they were saying things just to be shocking, you know? And I certainly did that early in my career. And now, like, if you have, you have a position to defend, if you're gonna go out on a limb, you're gonna make fun of something that's dangerous, you gotta have that shit tight.

Taylor Sheridan 11:34 Right.

Joe Rogan 11:34 It's gotta be good. It's gotta be roarious, huge laughs. It has to be, it has to be something where people go, "Oh shit, I can't..." Like, Dave Chappelle's the best example of that. When he goes after something, whatever it is, it's just so goddamn funny that even though it's supposed to be something you're not supposed to talk about, it's so good that everybody has to back off, except the critics, of course.

Taylor Sheridan 11:58 But what makes Chappelle so, so good and so funny is he's gonna say things that from a point of view is true-... like, it's rooted in some logic.

Joe Rogan 12:09 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 12:09 And, and he's, and he's smarter than about anyone who's gonna oppose him. And, and he's thought through his, his position so completely. He can defend it. You can disagree with it.

Joe Rogan 12:19 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 12:19 But you can't say he doesn't have an opinion and it's not grounded in facts or at least well-thought-out ideas.

Joe Rogan 12:25 Yeah, he's hammering that shit out every night too. He, he's a fascinating guy the way he's doing it. He literally will fly into a city. He doesn't even book shows. He flies into cities and just shows up at clubs and goes on after the show's over.

Taylor Sheridan 12:40 (laughs) Really?

Joe Rogan 12:40 Yeah, or pops in, in the middle of a show. Like, he's done it to me before. I was in Denver once, and he just showed up. I, I got off stage, and I went into the green room, and I go, "What's up? What are you doing, man?" He goes, "Oh, hey, Joe."

Taylor Sheridan 12:52 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:52 And I go, "What are you doing here, man?" He goes, "Oh, I knew you was in town. I thought I'd stop by." I go, "You wanna go up?" He goes, "Should I?" I go, "Fuck yeah."

Taylor Sheridan 12:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:58 So I literally went out and stopped the audience. Everyone's leaving. The show was over. They were, they were already, like, paying their tab, going home, and I go, "Yell at everybody on the stairs. Tell 'em to come back. Dave Chappelle's here." And the whole audience came back in, and that-

Taylor Sheridan 13:11 Wow.

Joe Rogan 13:11 ... and that's how he works things out. So he just goes around and just fucks around and then slowly hammers these bits out until he gets them to this, like, bulletproof form, and then he puts 'em out on a special.

Taylor Sheridan 13:24 Wow.

Joe Rogan 13:25 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 13:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 13:26 It's, it's fun. It's a f- it's a fun time for standup comedy, but it's, it's literally the only thing that you can do without a committee because if you're gonna do a movie, you're gonna have to have actors. You're gonna have to have writers. You're gonna have to have executives, studio heads, all this shit. There's a lot of people that have their say in what's happening or at least have a conversation about it. There's no conversation. With standup, it's literally just you. It's one person. How do I make fun of this? What is, what's my angle on this? And then you work it out. You put it together, and then you present it in front of people, and if they laugh, it's good. And if they don't laugh, it's not good, and you gotta figure out how to make it work. And-

Taylor Sheridan 14:05 No, that's about the... That's about the ballsiest art form.

Joe Rogan 14:10 It's so, just-

Taylor Sheridan 14:10 It's-

Joe Rogan 14:10 ... pure.

Taylor Sheridan 14:11 You are all alone.

Joe Rogan 14:13 Yeah, it's pure. I love it. And my club out here, what I also love is that we, we make everybody put their phones in a bag. So instead of fucking taking pictures of everything and filming everything-

Taylor Sheridan 14:22 You got it.

Joe Rogan 14:22 ... just fucking, uh, just be there. Just be there. Put that goddamn thing away. The phone's in a, locked up in a yonder bag, phone's off. Just e- experience a human moment. Have a good time.

Taylor Sheridan 14:33 I know a couple guys that went to your club last night that called me when I'm driving up today, and they said, "Have you been to his club?" I said, "Not yet." And they said... And they were from LA, an agent from LA. He said, "They say things in there you can't say in LA."

Joe Rogan 14:45 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 14:45 "Kind of like comedy." I said, "Was it funny?" He goes, "It was hilarious, funniest thing I've ever seen, every one of them."

Joe Rogan 14:50 Yeah, well, that's what it's supposed to be, you know? And Louis C.K. said, "We built an Alamo." That's what he said. He said, "Essentially (laughs) 'cause you've built the comedy Alamo."

Taylor Sheridan 15:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:00 He goes, this is, "We're in a war with the cyber world." And he goes, "And you built us an Alamo."

Taylor Sheridan 15:04 Wow.

Joe Rogan 15:05 Yeah, but that's... You know, when I came out here, you know, and there wasn't really a comedy club, and all these other comedians were moving out here because this is the only place we could do standup. It was during the pandemic.

Taylor Sheridan 15:15 Right.

Joe Rogan 15:15 It was like all the pieces fell together s- perfectly. It was like the universe opened up door after door at every step, and then all of a sudden, we're here. And there was like 15 of us, and we're working in these, like, little rock and roll clubs and EDM clubs, and we're doing stand- sold out shows, and the rest of the country's completely shut down. You can't even do standup indoors. And they all heard about Austin, that we were all out here, and then Ron White's like, "You gotta open up a club." And so I was like, "Okay, let's open up a fucking club." And then we bought this building and started b- we actually had a building that we bought before that was owned by a cult.

Taylor Sheridan 15:52 Really?

Joe Rogan 15:52 Yeah, there's a, there's a documentary on the cult called Holy Hell. You should watch it.

Taylor Sheridan 15:56 Right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:56 It's pretty crazy. This guy came from West Hollywood, and, uh, right after Waco when the, uh, Cult Awareness Network started cracking down on all these cults after Waco burned down and the, you know, feds killed everybody, they, uh, moved out to Austin. And the cult member, the cult leader changed his name, got a new name, moved to Austin, and built a theater so he could dance in front of his followers, and I- (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 16:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:18 ... and that was the theater I bought to start a club in.

Taylor Sheridan 16:21 Wow. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 16:22 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 16:23 You know, my cousins were the federal marshals in Waco, and they knew Koresh.

Joe Rogan 16:28 Oh, wow.

Taylor Sheridan 16:28 And, and they had told the ATF. They said, "We were just there three days ago." Like, they could be whatever they are, but they, they're permitted up. And they were driving down I-35, and he looked up and saw these three choppers, and he knew exactly what was going on. And by the time he got to the Koresh compound, those guys had already been killed. (exhales) But he knew David, and, and he went up to the... Oh, maybe it was a week or two later. I can't remember how long they held up in there, but he said, "Let me just go talk to Koresh, and, uh, and see if I can get any of these women and kids out." And he did, and he walked up and knocked on the front door and took like 30 of them out.

Joe Rogan 17:05 Wow.

Taylor Sheridan 17:06 Before they just torched that place.

Joe Rogan 17:08 Yeah, they did torch that place. And they denied doing it too. There's video footage of the tanks-

Taylor Sheridan 17:14 The tank, tank driving right... Oh, on us.

Joe Rogan 17:16 Driving in and shooting flames in, into the buildings. They just fucking lit everybody on fire.

Taylor Sheridan 17:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 17:21 Fuck you.

Taylor Sheridan 17:21 Well...

Joe Rogan 17:22 I don't even know what started it. It w- No, it was like one fed showed up, and then they got shot at or som- something happened.

Taylor Sheridan 17:32 Well, I know four were killed in the first, when they went to hit that place. I think like nine got shot. I know we could pull it all up and look, but...

Joe Rogan 17:40 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 17:41 Um, you know, at that time, there, there was this big panic about militias.

Joe Rogan 17:47 Mm.

Taylor Sheridan 17:47 You know, 'cause at the same time you got Ruby Ridge happened right around the same time.

Joe Rogan 17:50 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 17:51 You had all these, and the FBI was just getting kind of... Not, or ATF was kind of getting spanked in spots, and, and they were trying to c- clean up their image or, or prevent whatever, and th- that was their mission du jour, was like get rid of all these militias.

Joe Rogan 18:04 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 18:05 And, and, you know, surprising little overreach on the government's part.

Joe Rogan 18:09 Little overreach, but also like every cult...... starts the same way. Seems like a good idea. We're gonna do things right. We're gonna ... What's wrong with society? Let's fix it. Let's all commune together.

Taylor Sheridan 18:20 Well, they all start like this.

Joe Rogan 18:21 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 18:21 First, you ha- you nee- you need a, a, a, like a Jim Morrison-adjacent-looking-

Joe Rogan 18:26 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 18:27 ... wannabe rockstar actor.

Joe Rogan 18:29 Yes. (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 18:29 Right? Who's so wildly narcissistic and yet charming that he can convince them shit like, "I need your wife."

Joe Rogan 18:35 Yes.

Taylor Sheridan 18:36 "But I need you here to do the garden."

Joe Rogan 18:38 Yes.

Taylor Sheridan 18:38 And then he becomes his own god.

Joe Rogan 18:40 Uh-huh.

Taylor Sheridan 18:40 And then he's gonna pick a date where all this shit's gonna go wrong. Uh, "The world's gonna end, and I'm gonna show you salvation." That day's gonna pass, and then we need another problem until they wing nut out and get a bunch of machine guns. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 18:54 The guy-

Taylor Sheridan 18:54 And sit around all day.

Joe Rogan 18:54 ... out here, his name was Jaime Gomez, and he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist. That was the guy who started ... (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 19:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:02 So c- how do you think that worked out? (laughs) So, so one guy in, like, uh, 2000 or the early 2000s sent out, he left the cult and sent out a mass email that was like, "Hey, this guy's been hypnotizing me and fucking me for the last 10 years." (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 19:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:17 And then everybody was like, "I thought it was just me."

Taylor Sheridan 19:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 19:20 That's the guy. But when he was young, when he got all-

Taylor Sheridan 19:24 See, what did I say? It looked like a model. And then the next thing-

Joe Rogan 19:25 Oh, when he was young, he was beautiful. He was beautiful. He had, like, a chiseled body. He was a yoga instructor. I think that's how he sta- he was an actor. He was in Rosemary's Baby. He was, like, an extra in Rosemary's Baby. But he, when he started the cult, it really just kinda started out as a, a yoga class. And he was very charismatic and convinced these people that there was a different way to live. And, and, like, just, like, that ... I'm sure you've seen Wild Wild Country.

Taylor Sheridan 19:51 No.

Joe Rogan 19:51 You've never seen that?

Taylor Sheridan 19:52 No.

Joe Rogan 19:52 Oh my God, it's fucking amazing. It's a Netflix series about this cult that took over a town in Oregon.

Taylor Sheridan 19:58 Yes, I do know what that is.

Joe Rogan 19:59 Yeah, and then they poisoned everyone in the town. They shipped in homeless people so that they could vote.

Taylor Sheridan 20:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 20:03 So they brought ... They, they took homeless people, and they brought them into the cult so that they would be a part of the community, and they could vote. And then they just took over the fucking town. And then once they did that, they kicked the homeless people out, and it, it's, it's a wild documentary series.

Taylor Sheridan 20:15 If I wrote that screenplay, people would say that that's ridiculous.

Joe Rogan 20:19 Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of those. (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 20:22 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:25 There's a lot of those. Well, that's the craziest thing about 1883 is that you don't have to do any dramatic embellishment. There's no- doesn't have to be any, any fucking with the truth. It's, that is literally what went down. Those people literally came here. They d- you were telling me on the phone that, what percentage of the people that, that made the trek across couldn't even speak English?

Taylor Sheridan 20:48 You know, it, something like 40%.

Joe Rogan 20:51 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 20:51 You know, they used to come in from, they, they would come into ... And of course, what, what our government was doing was we needed people for a multitude of reasons, uh, after the Civil War. So many of the workforce had been killed, you know, one point something million soldiers died that, that we know of. We don't know how many other civilians. So we needed people. Um, we needed people to settle the West 'cause manifest destiny basically said, "Hey, we," you know, "there's all this land we bought from whoever we bought it from," France, I guess, the Louisiana Purchase, um, "and we can't settle it 'cause every time we, we try, the Lakota or the Comanche kick the shit out of us. So we should send a bunch of Central Europeans and Eastern Europeans over there and let them get in the middle of it." And so in all of these, uh ... And you can, you can look up, if you were to put it into the computer, you could pull up all of these pamphlets they would put out and ads they would put out in newspapers in Romania and Norway, obviously Ireland. They did it everywhere, Germany, and said, "Come, free land."

Joe Rogan 21:53 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 21:53 "Come get your free land." And when I started researching it, um, you know, there were people that would come from areas where it was against the law to swim. They were not allowed to swim.

Joe Rogan 22:04 Wow.

Taylor Sheridan 22:05 There weren't, no one knew how to swim. So-

Joe Rogan 22:07 It was against the law to swim?

Taylor Sheridan 22:08 It was against the law to swim.

Joe Rogan 22:11 What the fu- (laughs) That seems so ins- what seems so insane, what, what really struck me, I mean, I, I did a lot of thinking about that show last night. Like, it, it ended, I did my binge, I ended the binge at, like, 2:00 in the morning. And, you know, at nighttime I do some of my most fucked-up thinking because everyone is asleep-

Taylor Sheridan 22:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:33 ... in my house. It's just me, and I, I, I generally do most of my writing when everyone's asleep. And I was just thinking, that's 140 years ago. That's nothing. I'm 56 years old. When I was in high school, it was in 1983, so that was 100 years ago. I was a sophomore in high school. So I was ... 100 years is nothing. 100 years before that, you make your way across the country on a fucking wagon, and you get free land.

Taylor Sheridan 23:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:02 100 years. That's so short a period of time. It's so hard for us to really appreciate how recent that is and how d- how, how fucking insane the change in this country over such a short period of time has been.

Taylor Sheridan 23:20 Meteoric.

Joe Rogan 23:21 Meteoric. Nothing like it.

Taylor Sheridan 23:22 I just read something in the last day or two that, and I'm gonna get it wrong, but 1937 is closer to 1984 than 2023 is to '84 or something like that.

Joe Rogan 23:36 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 23:36 And if you think about the-

Joe Rogan 23:37 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 23:37 ... the gap between 1984 and 2023 and then what '84 was like, I was alive, you were alive, to now, it doesn't seem like that dramatic a, a change. Obviously there is internet, but you still had cars. You had phones. You couldn't take them with you, but you had them. But 1937? (laughs) We haven't even, we haven't even made penicillin yet.

Joe Rogan 24:02 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 24:03 ... that's just 40 years.

Joe Rogan 24:04 Yeah, trench warfare.

Taylor Sheridan 24:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:06 Yeah. World War I.

Taylor Sheridan 24:08 Yeah. No, these, these... They came over here, they didn't speak the language. They knew nothing about the land, knew nothing about the water. Had no... It did... By the way, you can be rest assured it did not say in that advertisement in the Romanian Times, "There's other people who already live there (laughs) who will kill you when you show up."

Joe Rogan 24:24 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 24:24 It didn't mention any of that. Um, they didn't hear about the Indians till they got to Galveston and, you know, they're buying their supplies. "You need a gun? W- why would you need a gun?" "Well, the Indians." "The who?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:33 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 24:33 "What are you talking about? Who are Indians?" Well-

Joe Rogan 24:36 Wow.

Taylor Sheridan 24:36 ... you're gonna find out.

Joe Rogan 24:37 Yeah, that was, uh, a part of, uh, Empire of the Summer Moon. You know, that these folks had just established these homesteads and had no idea. And then the Comanches would show up and just slaughter them. They had no idea. They had no idea-

Taylor Sheridan 24:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:50 ... that there was even a, a concern and they had to figure it out along the way.

Taylor Sheridan 24:54 Yeah. And that, you know... And you read it in that book, and, and from a military standpoint, it's such a just an impressive achievement that Nacona decided he was gonna raid all the way to Galveston. And he marched through, burned Austin, went all the way to Galveston. Everybody got in their boats, went out on their boats and watched him burn Galveston. And so then they went in and looted all the stores and found these parasols. You know, you could sit there and block the sun. And the Comanche thought, "That's the fricking smartest thing. I wish we'd had fabric to do that with." So all the braves took these parachutes, and when they rode off, there's thousands of Comanche warriors with parasols of all these different colors-

Joe Rogan 25:37 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 25:37 ... blocks- getting the sun off their shoulders.

Joe Rogan 25:39 Running away with umbrellas.

Taylor Sheridan 25:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:41 That's insane.

Taylor Sheridan 25:41 But what a, what a terrifying visual that would be.

Joe Rogan 25:43 Oh, yeah. Oh, I mean, I had no idea until I read Empire of the Summer Moon. And then, uh, the author come in. What is his name again? S.G. Gwen?

Taylor Sheridan 25:53 Uh, S.-

Joe Rogan 25:54 S.... Is that it? Great, great fucking guy, and he found out when he moved to Texas, like, he- he moved here and then was researching-

Narrator 26:03 S. Gw.

Joe Rogan 26:03 ... Texas history.

Narrator 26:04 S. Seguin.

Joe Rogan 26:04 S. Seguin. And, uh, when he moved here and he was researching Texas, then he was like, "Oh my God." Like, "How- how do I not know about all this? How do I not know what this happened? How do I not know, not know about the Texas Rangers and how they were established and why they, they needed them and what, what went down?"

Taylor Sheridan 26:20 Yeah, it was the... It was the Wild West.

Joe Rogan 26:22 Yeah. Well, it's one of the reasons why Texas is such a crazy place. It's like this was kind of the last stand.

Taylor Sheridan 26:28 Yeah, and- and Texas was its own nation for, you know, 14 years-

Joe Rogan 26:31 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 26:31 ... 13 years. And it, and it still, you know... That independence is still pretty embedded in it.

Joe Rogan 26:37 Yeah, they wanna put it back on the ballot to see-

Taylor Sheridan 26:39 Every year. (laughs) This experiment hasn't worked.

Joe Rogan 26:44 (laughs) Yeah. Well, what's crazy is when you think about the United States only being established in 1776 and how recent that is in human history, but the idea of a new country being established today seems insane. Like there's no one, no way, impossible.

Taylor Sheridan 26:59 No, it's not gonna... You know, they... There's... Part of Oregon wants to secede and-

Joe Rogan 27:04 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 27:04 ... and, and join Idaho. There's, there's, there's a section up there around Humboldt County and, and up in that area in California, they want the same thing. And, and it's understandable because you have people who, you know, you take the eastern half of Oregon, virtually all of them are in some form of agriculture.

Joe Rogan 27:20 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 27:20 Right? They're ranching or they're farming or they're doing something. Same with, with, with that part of northern California.

Joe Rogan 27:25 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 27:25 You're growing timber or you're growing something, whether it's wheat or whether it's whatever, you're doing something agricultural. Um, and then you come to these big urban centers and... Where people do not understand where their food comes from.

Joe Rogan 27:37 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 27:38 I read an article... This is, uh, when I lived in LA as an actor. And there was some uproar? Some cheerleader had gone hunting, uh, and killed a deer or something, and, uh, the picture made it in the paper or somehow, made it somewhere, and there was this massive... People went nuts. And I'm flipping through the paper and, and I'm reading the letters to the editor. It's kind of there in the front and, uh, they were all about this girl. And there's a picture of her. And, uh, one of them said that all hunters should be killed. How dare they go out and kill that animal? Why can't they just go get their food at the grocery store where it's made?

Joe Rogan 28:25 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 28:26 No, someone got mad enough to write that letter and wrote it and reread it and sent it, and then it was printed, not from a sense of irony from that paper I doubt, uh, and, and I remember thinking, "God, people don't even know where it comes from. They have no idea what it takes to put food on a table, any kind of food."

Joe Rogan 28:44 No.

Taylor Sheridan 28:44 I don't care if you're vegan or not.

Joe Rogan 28:46 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 28:46 They have no idea.

Joe Rogan 28:46 It's all been given to you and all you have to do is work and then spend your money.

Taylor Sheridan 28:51 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 28:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:53 Yeah, I've had conversations with people while they're eating meat saying, "I can never hunt." Like, "I don't know how you do it." Like, "What are you talking about? You're eating meat. You just hired a supermarket hitman."

Taylor Sheridan 29:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:03 Like-

Taylor Sheridan 29:03 You just ex- You just exported the execution.

Joe Rogan 29:05 Yeah, it's-

Taylor Sheridan 29:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:07 It's, it's... We're so detached. And, um, that was why it was fascinating to watch this massive uptick during the pandemic where, where the food supply got cut off for a while and, you know, it was-

Taylor Sheridan 29:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:19 ... it was very weird. And a lot of people got into hunting. A lot of people got interested in it, and there was a big uptick.

Taylor Sheridan 29:25 Or started to, or started to want to take some responsibility-

Joe Rogan 29:28 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 29:28 ... some kind of control measure.

Joe Rogan 29:29 Grow food.

Taylor Sheridan 29:30 Whether they get chickens in their backyard-

Joe Rogan 29:32 Mm-hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 29:32 ... whether they, they come to a ranch and there's plenty of places where you can buy it direct to consumer. You know, when that-

Joe Rogan 29:38 Mm-hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 29:39 ... hit me-

Joe Rogan 29:39 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 29:41 ... I've got three steers and two deer in the freezer, you know.

Joe Rogan 29:44 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 29:44 I've got 60 chickens, I've got a greenhouse. I didn't-

Joe Rogan 29:47 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 29:48 ... I didn't, I didn't miss a beat.

Joe Rogan 29:50 Yeah. Well, that's the way to live if you could.

Taylor Sheridan 29:52 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:52 But most people are like, "Well, uh, not everybody can live that way." Right. Figure out how you can.

Taylor Sheridan 29:58 Y- yeah, you can.

Joe Rogan 29:59 You can. Just-

Taylor Sheridan 29:59 I did it in LA.

Joe Rogan 30:01 Did you?

Taylor Sheridan 30:01 For five years I went, um...... everything I ... it was wild caught or it was grown, uh, from... I bought it from the farm if it was a vegetable or fruit. And in Cal- ... and, and in LA, it really wasn't that hard to do.

Joe Rogan 30:14 Farmers' markets and stuff like that.

Taylor Sheridan 30:15 Farmers' markets for ... heck, you could even get, you know, y- you could go get wild caught fish at the farmers' market.

Joe Rogan 30:22 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 30:22 You could go get what farm grew this? Well, there's your kale or whatever you want. It's all right there. Like, it's ... it was actually not that difficult. And I'd come back to Texas and hunt for a weekend. Um, and that was my, you know, go shoot three deer, and that's-

Joe Rogan 30:35 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 30:35 ... a year's worth of food.

Joe Rogan 30:36 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 30:36 Three, three animals for a year.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's best case scenario if you can pull that off. But most people are just so disconnected from it and so connected to the urban world where no one's growing anything. Everything has to be brought in by trucks. I was reading this, um, this story, uh, this, uh ... it's a book called, uh, Dissolving Illusions, and it's all about, um, the introduction of vaccines and it's about the pandemic diseases of the early 20th century. And they were talking about just the horrific conditions that people lived in in these urban cities before cars-

Taylor Sheridan 31:09 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 31:09 ... 'cause they w- ... there was no buses. So how were you getting food? How are you getting vegetables? How are you getting all these things into these cities? These people lived with terrible nutrition, basically starved to death, living in places where there's, uh, outhouses that were shared by thousands of people. Everyone's stuffed in these tenement buildings. They're all breathing congested air. Everyone's getting diseases. There's n- no, no drugs to treat them, no antibiotics to treat them, and everyone's fucked.

Taylor Sheridan 31:38 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:39 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 31:39 Yeah. No, the ... th- ... you know, these ... and it's been that way, by the way, for 1,200 years. As soon as-

Joe Rogan 31:47 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 31:48 ... massive urban areas, you know, as soon as they sprouted up, I mean, look at, look at the plague.

Joe Rogan 31:54 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 31:54 That's what that is. That is a-

Joe Rogan 31:55 It's where it comes from. Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 31:56 That's a flea-borne illness that you get because you're living in such close proximity to rats.

Joe Rogan 32:02 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 32:03 And why are there so many rats? Well, 'cause there's that much vermin and filth and-

Joe Rogan 32:08 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 32:08 ... waste for them to feast on.

Joe Rogan 32:09 (clicks tongue) Yeah. I mean, it's nature's way of balancing things out. Nature's like, "Well, this is a fucking problem. Whatever you guys are doing here is not the way to do it, so-"

Taylor Sheridan 32:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:18 "... have fun with this."

Taylor Sheridan 32:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:19 Yeah. Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 32:21 It's also with the, with the Native Americans, you know, you look at the Comanche, you look at any of them, it was the disease that-

Joe Rogan 32:26 Mm-hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 32:26 ... when, when ... from the first pilgrims-

Joe Rogan 32:28 Mm-hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 32:29 ... all these things that, that Europeans brought over and, I mean, it just decimated. I think cholera killed 60% of the Comanche.

Joe Rogan 32:36 Yeah, they said that 90% of the people killed in North America were killed by diseases.

Taylor Sheridan 32:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:41 90% of the Native Americans.

Taylor Sheridan 32:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:43 Yeah. And that, that story hasn't been told properly, you know? And that's what I- I really appreciated about 1883. It's like, you, you talked ab- ... I mean, this was at the end of the Native American empire, essentially. This was when there was still a little bit of buffalo left. There's still, you know, they're moving Indians to reservations. Then the Indians that were out, they were resisting it, you know? And it's just ... and then these people are trying to make their way in this fucking wagon train across the country. What of the-

Taylor Sheridan 33:13 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 33:13 What percentage of those people died that were trying to do that?

Taylor Sheridan 33:18 (sighs) I mean, I, I don't know that there's any ... a- anywhere along the Oregon Trail you could ... you can drive along or, th- ... you know, there's markers just everywhere. Everywhere. And especially the further up you get into Wyoming and the further you start getting through, like, the Lander cutoff, uh, and South Pass, then they're just ... And that's the ones that, you know, that got a marker.

Joe Rogan 33:40 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 33:40 So it's ... how do you know?

Joe Rogan 33:41 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 33:42 You know, the handcart, uh, the Mormon Church brought a lot of people out, and they didn't have a lot of money, enough money to give them, uh, full wagons, even though that's what they promised, so they made these handcarts that people would pull from wherever they took off from, somewhere in Ohio, uh, to try and get to, to Utah. Um, and so these people pulled them by hand. They'd put their wife and their gear, their kids or whatever, and then they'd pull them, these two-wheeled carts-

Joe Rogan 34:09 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 34:09 ... like chariots without a horse. And, you know, one winter they left too late and got caught in the winter, and the whole trick was if you didn't make it to this certain spot in Wyoming by July 4th, you were not gonna make it. You were gonna get caught in the pass and you were gonna die. And something like 25,000 people died in one year.

Joe Rogan 34:27 (exhales) Wow.

Taylor Sheridan 34:28 Just mind-numbing statistics.

Joe Rogan 34:31 Insane.

Taylor Sheridan 34:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:32 Insane. And it's, it's so interesting that the, the early films on the West, uh, they were ... they never covered that. The early films in the West were, like, these really sort of shallow surface films that were fun movies, you know, Cowboys Versus Indians, the spaghetti Westerns, and that kind of stuff. But no one had any sort of real understanding of what actually went down.

Taylor Sheridan 35:00 No, you didn't. The notion of getting free land, uh, that you could go farm, uh, with, by the way, nothing. You're gonna go somewhere with nothing. Like, there's no stores. You're gonna have to make everything. You have to figure it all out on your own. Who would choose that? Not a successful blacksmith, not somebody that's got a nice comfortable home in Maryland or wherever in the ... Why, why? Why would you do that? You have to have no other option.

Joe Rogan 35:25 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 35:26 Right? All the people that came over from, from whatever European nation they came from, they didn't come for an adventure.

Joe Rogan 35:32 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 35:32 They came because they were fucking starving. My family came over from Ireland because of the potato famine. They didn't, they didn't want to. They had to.

Joe Rogan 35:40 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 35:40 They were dying, so they had to come. So that's why everyone came. Desperation. Like, desperation is what settled the West, fueled by a manifest destiny, which was, which was a cruel, very cruel, you know, insidious idea that a bunch of politicians had that says, "Hey, we can either send the army out there and just go to war," and we've been doing that, and we've been getting the shit handed to us because the Lakota (laughs) were ... until the repeating rifle came around, the Lakota and the Comanche-

Joe Rogan 36:08 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 36:08 ... the Arapaho, even the Sou- ... I mean, they ... we did not have their skill level on a horse. Their, their arrows were actually more effective than our single-shot muskets. Like, they were a superior army.... and, and stayed that way. It wasn't until we started sacking villages when the Braves were gone, when their soldiers were gone and we- when that dirty shit started, then it started turning the tide. And then when we killed the food source, that was the end of it.

Joe Rogan 36:31 Yeah. Which is part of the wiping out of the buffalo.

Taylor Sheridan 36:34 Yep.

Joe Rogan 36:34 I mean, it was a commodity for sure, but it was also, there was a concerted effort to cut off their food source.

Taylor Sheridan 36:39 It was, but it was also, you know, there was a demand. The, uh, buffalo tongue was the number one delicacy in New York City.

Joe Rogan 36:50 Isn't that crazy?

Taylor Sheridan 36:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:50 The tongue?

Taylor Sheridan 36:51 The tongue.

Joe Rogan 36:52 Which nobody wants anymore.

Taylor Sheridan 36:53 I know.

Joe Rogan 36:53 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 36:55 And then they sold all the, they sold all the, the buffalo skins to France.

Joe Rogan 37:00 Mm-hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 37:00 And they made giant, massive, silly robes.

Joe Rogan 37:04 Well, at one point in time, the richest man, one of the richest men in the world was, uh, he dealt in beaver pelts.

Taylor Sheridan 37:10 Yeah, I don't doubt it.

Joe Rogan 37:11 There, there was fucking beaver everywhere. They wiped out most of the beaver in this country.

Taylor Sheridan 37:15 Yeah. You know, but they've come back.

Joe Rogan 37:16 Yeah, they've come back.

Taylor Sheridan 37:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:17 But not nearly to where they were.

Taylor Sheridan 37:19 No, but they've come back. It's pretty im- I mean, it's pretty impressive how much they've come back. And it's a pretty keystone species, so wherever they are, you know, they build enough dams and they create a pond that creates a wetland.

Joe Rogan 37:31 Have you ever eaten beaver?

Taylor Sheridan 37:32 No.

Joe Rogan 37:32 It's good.

Taylor Sheridan 37:33 That's what I hear. The tail-

Joe Rogan 37:34 Steve Rinella cooked it.

Taylor Sheridan 37:35 ... was a, was, uh, a delicacy.

Joe Rogan 37:37 Yeah, the tail, the tail's disgusting. We ate the tail. It's just all fat. They just were starving and they needed fat.

Taylor Sheridan 37:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:43 We, maybe we didn't cook it right, but Rinella cooked it as best as he could, but we, he made like a pot roast out of the beaver hams.

Taylor Sheridan 37:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:51 It was very good.

Taylor Sheridan 37:52 Right.

Joe Rogan 37:52 It was like really good beef.

Taylor Sheridan 37:53 Really?

Joe Rogan 37:53 It was delicious. It was surprisingly good. Like, not like, "Oh, I could eat this." But like, "I want more." Like, it was fucking great. It was really good.

Taylor Sheridan 38:00 Really?

Joe Rogan 38:01 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 38:01 You know, I think the most exotic thing I ever ate, and it wasn't, it was kind of a similar (laughs) meat and what they're serving situation, was on this ranch outside of Stanford, Texas and they, they, we barbecued up a bunch of armadillo.

Joe Rogan 38:15 How was that?

Taylor Sheridan 38:16 I was so fricking hungry, it s- it seemed good to me. I, you know, this was well before I knew they had leprosy.

Joe Rogan 38:22 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 38:23 But I checked everything, I'm good. I'm 40 years in and I'm fine.

Joe Rogan 38:26 Is there a temperature you have to ki- kill leprosy at, where you cook the food to? Like trichinosis?

Taylor Sheridan 38:31 Uh, p- well, look, when you smoke the, you smoke it for like 12 hours. So, I don't think anything's dead.

Joe Rogan 38:35 Just kills everything?

Taylor Sheridan 38:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:36 What does it s- what does the armadillo taste like?

Taylor Sheridan 38:39 It kinda tastes like pork.

Joe Rogan 38:40 Really?

Taylor Sheridan 38:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:41 Like javelina then?

Taylor Sheridan 38:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:43 Yeah, it just tastes a lot... Well, they even look like pork.

Taylor Sheridan 38:46 Yeah. Well, they are pork.

Joe Rogan 38:47 They're a peccary, right?

Taylor Sheridan 38:49 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:49 It's like a cousin of pig.

Taylor Sheridan 38:50 Yeah, some- somewhere.

Joe Rogan 38:51 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 38:51 And they're cross-bred I think with the feral hogs a bunch.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Oh, have they really?

Taylor Sheridan 38:54 I think, I think.

Joe Rogan 38:55 Um, I shot one last year and it turned into chorizo. It's edible.

Taylor Sheridan 38:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:00 It's not great.

Taylor Sheridan 39:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:01 But it's edible.

Taylor Sheridan 39:01 The feral hog I'm not, we don't wanna eat those feral hogs.

Joe Rogan 39:03 I've eaten a lot of feral hogs.

Taylor Sheridan 39:05 Ugh.

Joe Rogan 39:05 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 39:06 That, that-

Joe Rogan 39:06 I shot one I took home, turned into sausage.

Taylor Sheridan 39:08 Did you?

Joe Rogan 39:09 It's good. Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 39:10 Those things are a problem. I mean, they are-

Joe Rogan 39:12 They're a real problem out here.

Taylor Sheridan 39:13 Oh my gosh. And th- and the destruction that they, that they reap on the, on the ecosystem, I mean, that's the reason the bobwhite quail population has just plummeted.

Joe Rogan 39:22 Mm-hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 39:23 Rattlesnakes have stopped rattling.

Joe Rogan 39:24 Because of the hogs?

Taylor Sheridan 39:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 39:26 Wow.

Taylor Sheridan 39:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:27 Yeah, one of the first things that happened when I moved out here is Ted Nugent invited me to shoot hogs from a helicopter. (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 39:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:34 I was like, "I guess I'm in Texas." (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 39:36 Yeah. (laughs) Welcome.

Joe Rogan 39:38 Come shoot hogs out of a helicopter.

Taylor Sheridan 39:41 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:41 They're just gunning 'em down. Have you ever seen A Porklyypse Now?

Taylor Sheridan 39:46 No, but is that, is that with the-

Joe Rogan 39:48 A Porklypse Now?

Taylor Sheridan 39:49 ... tannin, right?

Joe Rogan 39:49 No, A Porklypse Now is Ted Nugent and this guy that calls himself Pig Man who has a show on, uh, the, one of the Sportsman Channel, the Outdoor Channel. They shot like 250 plus pigs in an afternoon and they all did it out of helicopters.

Taylor Sheridan 40:07 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:07 And it's like, "Da, da, da-da." (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 40:09 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:09 Like flying, it's fucking, it's insane. And you watch, you're like, "How is this legal?" Like, uh, I guess it's legal 'cause you have to do it that way. They, they, they have so many pigs. Like here it is. This is-

Taylor Sheridan 40:22 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:22 This is A Porklypse Now.

Taylor Sheridan 40:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:26 It's all slo-mos of head shots.

Narrator 40:29 That's pigs some where, I don't wanna put a number on it. I'm having a hell of a time. I've got guys scattered everywhere. All on dead pigs, gutting 'em, loading 'em in Rangers, taking 'em, feed a whole lotta people.

Joe Rogan 40:40 That's the other thing, the Hunters for the Hungry, I mean there's-

Taylor Sheridan 40:42 Yeah, they-

Joe Rogan 40:43 ... they-

Taylor Sheridan 40:43 ... do really good.

Joe Rogan 40:44 It's an amazing program.

Taylor Sheridan 40:45 It's a really good organization.

Joe Rogan 40:45 Yeah, they shoot an incredible amount of these pigs-

Narrator 40:48 We got a lot of these guys coming over here to the-

Joe Rogan 40:49 ... and then feed-

Narrator 40:50 ... other, oh-

Joe Rogan 40:50 ... them to people. And it i- it is good, man. There's like, there's a guy out here named, uh, Jesse Griffiths who owns a great restaurant called Dai Due in Austin and he runs, uh, a school where he teaches people how to hunt. He teaches them at first how to shoot rifles, then how to hunt, then, uh, they hunt hogs. Teaches them how to butcher 'em and cook 'em. And he's an amazing chef.

Taylor Sheridan 41:12 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:12 And this guy, I mean, if, if you think that wild hogs taste like shit, talk to this guy. And-

Taylor Sheridan 41:18 'Cause he, he'll knock it out.

Joe Rogan 41:19 Oh my God, oh my God, some of the best meals I've ever eaten in my life. He, he cooked diver duck, which everybody says are disgusting.

Taylor Sheridan 41:26 Like a scaup.

Joe Rogan 41:27 I've only had it once. Yeah, I've only had it once from him. 'Cause they say that diver ducks eat all the shit that's at the bottom.

Taylor Sheridan 41:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:32 All the muck that's at the bottom. And most people say they taste disgusting. He cooked it, it was one of the best foods I've ever eaten in my life.

Taylor Sheridan 41:38 Really?

Joe Rogan 41:39 Yeah. He just knows how to do it right. He's like, "It's not that these things taste bad, it's just people don't have the knowledge of how to prepare them correctly."

Taylor Sheridan 41:47 Well, if you think about it, you know, you can go to any gun store or pawn shop and buy a 30-year-old Remington 700 with a scope on it for $400. Box of bullets is gonna cost you $30. License is gonna cost you $35. You can go shoot a hog, you can go shoot a, a deer, which someone's gotta manage 'em. The ecosystem-

Joe Rogan 42:14 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 42:14 ... is demolished, so there's nothing else doing it, so they're just gonna overpopulate in disease. And you can create a year's worth of meat-... for 600 bucks.

Joe Rogan 42:23 Yeah, it's incredible.

Taylor Sheridan 42:24 And then the next year, you cut it down to 300, and then the next year, you cut it down to 150.

Joe Rogan 42:28 Yeah. And it's fun.

Taylor Sheridan 42:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:31 Yeah, it's a fun thing to do.

Taylor Sheridan 42:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:33 And it's a very satisfying-

Taylor Sheridan 42:33 And you're taking res- you're taking responsibility for your own, for your own food.

Joe Rogan 42:37 Yeah. And still, there's people that think there's something wrong with that, but that's how disconnected society is.

Taylor Sheridan 42:42 Well, that's the... Look, I think one of the most absurd positions anyone can take is they're a vegan for an ethical reason. It's preposterous. You could do it for a medical reason, even though I don't know what that reason would be, but maybe you can't process, m- you know, meat, you can't process proteins like that. But to do it from an ethical reason is absurd. And the reason I say that is I have plowed a field. It is carnage. It is 12 feet of carnage. And every single plant that you eat is going to be tilled into the ground in some capacity, so you're gonna kill everything when you plow that field.

Joe Rogan 43:20 That's that famous, uh, conversation that Kevin Costner has in Yellowstone.

Taylor Sheridan 43:23 I... I wrote, that's why I wrote it-

Joe Rogan 43:24 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 43:24 ... 'cause people have to understand. You have to take ownership.

Joe Rogan 43:28 That same thing, Ted Nugent has say- said this on this podcast.

Taylor Sheridan 43:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:32 He said, "If you wanna kill the most things-

Taylor Sheridan 43:34 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 43:35 ... become a vegan."

Taylor Sheridan 43:36 Yeah, 100%.

Joe Rogan 43:36 If you're thinking about individual life, if you don't think that one life equals one life, if you think that small things aren't as valuable as large things, that's a totally different discussion, and that's a weird discussion. But if you think that all life is sacred, well, what about the lives of the ground-nesting birds, fawns-

Taylor Sheridan 43:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:56 ... what about the lives of rodents, insects? All those things are getting demolished.

Taylor Sheridan 44:00 The average organic avocado farm in Central California is going to kill, on average, around 19,000 ground squirrels a year.

Joe Rogan 44:10 (sighs)

Taylor Sheridan 44:11 That's not counting the billions of bees, 'cause they're gonna bring the bees up from Brazil to pollinate the- the trees, and then they're gonna fucking die. They're not sending them back anywhere. They're not keeping them in some... No, they're gone. They're gonna spray with some organic, which is probably just, like, compressed cayenne pepper. They're gonna spray the trees. They're gonna kill every bug, every plant, everything. Y- all you gotta do is drive I-5 through the San Joaquin Valley, and you won't see... You'll see plenty of almonds, you'll see plenty of all these different groves. You won't see any birds. You won't see anything else-

Joe Rogan 44:45 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 44:45 ... 'cause they fucking killed them all.

Joe Rogan 44:46 Yeah, that's a hard pill for a lot of people to-

Taylor Sheridan 44:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:49 ... swallow that think they're doing something that's ethically correct.

Taylor Sheridan 44:51 Well, you, if you look anywhere in, in the ecosystem, take man out of it. Virtually everything is- is living at the expense of another organism to the degree that if a certain weed grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass. If the tree grows up, this little, little sapling grows up over the grass, it's killing the grass. The grass grows up before the weeds, it kills the weeds, kills the flowers, kills this. It, everything is in competition with everything else. There is not a vegan fish, there's not a vegetarian fish. Every single fish, every frog, they are e- they're eating s-, they're eating another organism to survive, every one of them. And that's what we did for as long as... Whenever we split from apes, that's what we did. Apes still do it. They talk about, "Oh, they eat fruit." They eat fruit till they get ahold of those little freaking panzer monkeys.

Joe Rogan 45:39 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 45:39 Then they go to town, those chimpanzees.

Joe Rogan 45:41 W- they didn't even know about that until that David Attenborough documentary.

Taylor Sheridan 45:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:45 You ever see that one?

Taylor Sheridan 45:46 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:46 Where they're eating the m- they're eating the monkeys in the trees. (exhales)

Taylor Sheridan 45:47 Oh, dude, they go to war. If you ever wondered where-

Joe Rogan 45:51 Eating them alive.

Taylor Sheridan 45:51 ... our violent streak comes from-

Joe Rogan 45:52 Oh, yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 45:53 ... watch Chimpanzees.

Joe Rogan 45:54 Yeah. Have you seen Chimp Nation?

Taylor Sheridan 45:55 No.

Joe Rogan 45:56 That's another great Netflix series.

Taylor Sheridan 45:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:58 Fuck. Incredible. They-

Taylor Sheridan 46:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:00 They kill each other. They, they, they... And I asked the guy, I go, "How often do they kill monkeys?" He goes, "We really didn't show h- how many times they killed monkeys," 'cause they did. They do it so often.

Taylor Sheridan 46:09 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:09 I mean, it's literally their preferred food.

Taylor Sheridan 46:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:12 They kill monkeys-

Taylor Sheridan 46:12 They're gonna eat the leaves and the fruits and everything till they need that protein.

Joe Rogan 46:15 Yeah, they, they eat the fruit if- 'cause it's easy.

Taylor Sheridan 46:18 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:18 But if they can find monkeys, they go after monkeys.

Taylor Sheridan 46:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:21 And they eat them alive. They just start chewing on them.

Taylor Sheridan 46:24 (laughs) Yeah. It's just-

Joe Rogan 46:24 Pu- there's a, there's a video of this monkey. He's like screaming while this chimp is eating him from the hips down, just (imitates chimp screaming) .

Taylor Sheridan 46:31 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 46:32 You see his little face, it just looks so much like us to watch him just, just get eaten alive by a chimp who also looks a lot like us. It's just so fucked.

Taylor Sheridan 46:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:42 That's, that's the real nature. That's not vegan nature. That's not this bullshit utopian artificial paradise that people have created in their mind that they're doing if they're eating vegan. It's just not true. Unless you're growing all of your own food in your yard, unless you have a contained environment where you're composting and using mulch and you, you're making sure that everything that you grow, you're picking it yourself, you're just fencing it off to keep squirrels from eating it. If that's not the case, you're involved in murder.

Taylor Sheridan 47:12 But even then, even then, you don't think you're gonna have a... What happens when the grasshoppers come?

Joe Rogan 47:18 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 47:18 And they'll get through that fence.

Joe Rogan 47:20 Oh, yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 47:21 So then what?

Joe Rogan 47:21 And they'll devastate your crops-

Taylor Sheridan 47:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:22 ... so you're gonna have to kill the grasshoppers, yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 47:23 You kill the grasshoppers, and then what are you gonna do when the squirrel gets in?

Joe Rogan 47:26 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 47:26 You can't fence off your trees.

Joe Rogan 47:27 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 47:28 So what are you gonna do? Well, you're either gonna give away a lot of your crop, which you're not gonna wanna do, or you're gonna come up with a way to... Or you're gonna run the squirrel off. Okay, well then, you just killed it 'cause you ran it out of its habitat, so it just dies a slower death.

Joe Rogan 47:41 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 47:42 So th- that, we- you don't, we don't get to exist without another organism fueling our existence, period.

Joe Rogan 47:50 I know, it's such a hard thing for people to accept.

Taylor Sheridan 47:53 Well, I think it's because y- y- they're so dissociated.

Joe Rogan 47:56 Mm-hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 47:56 You know, I talked about it in Wind River, at the very end when he's giving the speech to... I don't know if you've seen that one or not.

Joe Rogan 48:03 I didn't.

Taylor Sheridan 48:04 Okay. Um, so, th- th- he- he- he, this guy, i- it takes place in the wilds of Wyoming, um, and there's a young woman who's an FBI investigator, and she comes and she- she's investigating the death of a Native American woman, uh, culminates in a big gunfight. And, and she gets wounded, but she doesn't, she doesn't die. He visits her in the hospital, Jeremy Renner's character, who's from this area.And he says, you know, luck doesn't live in, in the wilderness. It lives in the city. You know, whether or not, uh, your car is the one that gets carjacked, whether, you know, someone, someone's on their cellphone when you're walking through the crosswalk, uh, that's luck. But out here, you survive or you surrender. You know, wolves don't kill unlucky deer, they kill the weak ones.

Joe Rogan 48:52 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 48:53 And that's-

Joe Rogan 48:54 That's the reality. That's the reality of our life.

Taylor Sheridan 48:57 So when you can walk from your condo to Erewhon-

Joe Rogan 49:02 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 49:02 ... and buy your $19 almond butter-

Joe Rogan 49:04 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 49:05 ... and never ask yourself... Now I can tell you, I can tell you exactly right now how much water it takes, in a state with no water, to make one almond.

Joe Rogan 49:15 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 49:15 It takes three gallons.

Joe Rogan 49:17 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 49:18 So if you want to amort it out, one almond takes three gallons.

Joe Rogan 49:21 Isn't that nuts?

Taylor Sheridan 49:21 And how many almonds does one almond tree have? 10,000? Well, do the math.

Joe Rogan 49:26 It's nuts.

Taylor Sheridan 49:27 Do the math. Nothing comes without... There is an expense.

Joe Rogan 49:29 Nothing makes me crack up more than the stop oil people when they're blocking the highway with clothes made with oil. Like ev- they have rubber-

Taylor Sheridan 49:39 This is, this is, this is one of my like, drive me-

Joe Rogan 49:42 It's, it's fucking insane. I mean, it's-

Taylor Sheridan 49:44 I'm making a, I'm making a TV show about this.

Joe Rogan 49:45 Are you?

Taylor Sheridan 49:45 Right now. Yeah. Called Landman with Billy Bob Thornton.

Joe Rogan 49:48 Oh, wow.

Taylor Sheridan 49:48 About the oil industry and about energy.

Joe Rogan 49:50 I love Billy Bob Thornton.

Taylor Sheridan 49:51 That's a gangster.

Joe Rogan 49:52 I love that dude.

Taylor Sheridan 49:53 Gangster.

Joe Rogan 49:54 He's great.

Taylor Sheridan 49:54 Yeah. And doesn't give a fuck. Does not give a fuck.

Joe Rogan 49:59 And he was great in 1883 too.

Taylor Sheridan 50:01 Oh, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:01 He's great. I love that dude.

Taylor Sheridan 50:03 Showed up for one day, goes, "What am I doing? Doing this? Great." (laughs)

Joe Rogan 50:07 Just perfect.

Taylor Sheridan 50:07 Wicked.

Joe Rogan 50:08 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 50:08 Wicked. That's, that's when I decided, I s- I'm, I got something for you.

Joe Rogan 50:11 Nice.

Taylor Sheridan 50:12 Like, there's something we can do. But people don't understand, you know, they're mandating all these electric vehicles in California.

Joe Rogan 50:18 Mm-hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 50:18 75% of California's, uh, electricity comes from fossil fuels. Um, about 15% comes from wind and alternative energy, and then they still get a little from nuclear. I don't know why everyone got off nuclear. That was like the-

Joe Rogan 50:33 That's the, that's the best thing for the environment.

Taylor Sheridan 50:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:35 Believe it or not.

Taylor Sheridan 50:37 We, we are... I spoke, when I was researching Landman, I, I, I reached out to some guys on... MIT has a climate change board, they've got a bunch of scientists that are, you know... All they're doing is trying to figure out, what is our next energy source? Like, what is a reliable energy source that's clean? And cold fusion is pretty much the thing that they've all penned as this is gonna be the deal. Um, but they think we're 30 to 40 years from having it to where it can even generate enough power. The, right now, for the first time ever, uh, they were able to create electricity with a, uh, uh, through cold fusion that created more electricity than it took to create it.

Joe Rogan 51:19 Mm.

Taylor Sheridan 51:20 Like, so they just net zeroed it. So how long before they can make enough of it, they can make it efficient enough that someone can charge us for it and it's still affordable to us? How far off? And then the infrastructure.

Joe Rogan 51:32 What is, what's the method of cold fusion? Like, I don't even know how it's done.

Taylor Sheridan 51:37 I mean, it's the sa- it's similar-

Joe Rogan 51:39 Can you Google that? Google like, how is cold... Because I know there was a cold fusion thing a few years ago, but they decided that it wasn't... They, they, they couldn't repeat it. But I didn't know that they've actually pulled it off now.

Taylor Sheridan 51:52 It's essentially, you're splitting an atom, but you're not, you're, you're not... You're splitting it in a manner that doesn't seem to create the waste. And I think that's the reason they're backing off nuclear. They know something about the waste that, that they don't wanna tell us.

Joe Rogan 52:05 It lasts forever. It lasts forever. And you dig holes in the ground, you gotta cement it in there. Like, there's spots in Nevada where they have to lay fucking trenches filled with nuclear waste.

Taylor Sheridan 52:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:17 But there's also, um, emerging technologies about converting nuclear waste into batteries. There was something about that, that there, there was some sort of technique that they were developing that was gonna be able to take all that stuff and convert it into batteries. But we have a, we have a l- like, a reasonable fear of radiation.

Taylor Sheridan 52:38 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 52:38 Obviously, because it's, you know, we, we know, like, you, you... Ch- Chernobyl's fucked, it's gonna be fucked forever. Fukushima's fucked, it's fucked forever.

Taylor Sheridan 52:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:45 It's fucked for... As long as there's ever been people alive, it'll be fucked three, four, five times that.

Taylor Sheridan 52:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:50 In the future, it'll be fucked. And then we also know that, you know, they haven't been real forthcoming with some of the dangers of it, like the depleted uranium rounds they used during the Iraq war and all these soldiers came back and they had Gulf War syndrome.

Taylor Sheridan 53:02 Yep.

Joe Rogan 53:02 And that was... Uh, their, their, their babies were born all fucked up and no one wanted to take responsibility for it, but there's been some documentaries done on it and I think the consensus is that a lot of those cases were probably due to the de- depleted uranium rounds they used, 'cause apparently those fucking things are just lethal. They just go right through tanks.

Taylor Sheridan 53:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:23 Like, dep- depleted uranium rounds are the shit. But the problem is, then these fucking soldiers would go to the battlefield where the, all this stuff had gone down and they're breathing in and they're taking, they're absorbing all this fucking radiation and they weren't warned.

Taylor Sheridan 53:38 Well, look at all the, look at all the... In the '50s when people used to go to Vegas and sit on the roof and watch nuclear testing.

Joe Rogan 53:46 (laughs) Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 53:46 I had a professor in college that was one of those guys and got like umpteen kind of fucking different cancers and died from it.

Joe Rogan 53:53 Wasn't that the story about John Wayne?

Taylor Sheridan 53:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:56 John Wayne was-

Taylor Sheridan 53:56 Well, John Ford, all of them died of cancer 'cause they kept shooting in Monument Valley where they were fucking setting all these things off.

Joe Rogan 54:01 Exactly. But did anybody like definitively connect John Wayne and his cancer to that? 'Cause w- I, I think I had read something about many people that worked on those films also, also got similar cancer.

Taylor Sheridan 54:13 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:14 But I mean, John Wayne looked like he smoked cigarettes and drank a lot too, it's like...

Taylor Sheridan 54:18 I heard the guy smoked five packs a day.

Joe Rogan 54:19 Yeah, he looked like a guy who was partying a little bit.

Taylor Sheridan 54:21 He was on like a second pig's heart, he'd had like eight different organ transplants-

Joe Rogan 54:25 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 54:25 ... in the late '60s. He was actually kind of a tank that he survived all this...

Joe Rogan 54:28 Did he really have a pig heart?

Taylor Sheridan 54:29 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:30 They really did that with him?

Taylor Sheridan 54:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:31 No.

Taylor Sheridan 54:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:32 I didn't even know he did it when he was human.

Taylor Sheridan 54:32 I think he made a joke about it on the Oscars.

Joe Rogan 54:35 Whoa. They've actually successfully transplanted pig hearts?

Taylor Sheridan 54:38 Um, yeah. I mean, heaven-

Joe Rogan 54:40 How did I not know this? I know they've done it with a friend of mine as a- a- a- a- a- another person's heart.

Taylor Sheridan 54:47 Yeah, uh-

Joe Rogan 54:48 He had a heart attack and (crosstalk) he had a heart transplant.

Narrator 54:49 A pig valve.

Taylor Sheridan 54:50 Pig valves, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:51 Valve, same shit.

Taylor Sheridan 54:52 We have valves in there, yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:52 Oh, then I knew they were doing that. Yeah, they do artificial valves. My friend Everlast from House of Pain-

Taylor Sheridan 54:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:57 ... he can take a microphone and put it to his chest, and you can hear his fake valve going like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

Taylor Sheridan 55:02 Really? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:03 Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. He does it, you're like, "Yo."

Taylor Sheridan 55:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:07 "You got a fucking machine inside you keeping you alive, son."

Taylor Sheridan 55:09 Does it run on the energy of his own body?

Joe Rogan 55:11 Uh, it's a valve, right? So I guess it runs as the heart pumps, you know, it opens and closes, just like a- the biological valve that you're born with.

Taylor Sheridan 55:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:19 But his is artificial.

Taylor Sheridan 55:21 Wow.

Joe Rogan 55:22 Yeah, I think it's... Uh, I don't wanna speak out of turn, but I think it's titanium or something like that, like something, like, very durable. And, like, I know they're using titanium for other body parts. They're using it for, um, articulating neck discs. So when people get bulging discs that turn into herniating discs, and then they get d- degradation, where the- it's pinching on the nerves, they have two options oft- o- oftentimes. They'll either, um, fuse you-

Taylor Sheridan 55:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:44 ... which is, uh, could be r- fucking horrible.

Taylor Sheridan 55:46 Yes.

Joe Rogan 55:47 Or they... Now, they give you an alternative, which is a, uh, articulating disc. And, uh, guys have had those, like Aljamain Sterling had one of those done, and then went on to defend the bantamweight title in UFC.

Taylor Sheridan 55:59 Really?

Joe Rogan 55:59 And defended it more than anybody, and just fucking dominated people. Yeah, until he lost to Sean O'Malley, he was like... I think he defended the bantamweight title more than anybody.

Taylor Sheridan 56:08 Really?

Joe Rogan 56:08 And he won the title. And then after he won the title, he- he got kneed in the head during the title fight. It was kind of a bad deal. Like, he won the title by disqualification, so a lot of people hated him, and they discredited him. Then he got this operation, had this disc replaced in his neck, and then they had the rematch, and he fucking dominated the dude.

Taylor Sheridan 56:25 Really?

Joe Rogan 56:25 With a fake disc in his neck. So it really was fucking him up. The children of John Wayne, Susan Hayward, and Dick Powell fear that fallout killed their parents.

Narrator 56:33 This is from 1980 article.

Joe Rogan 56:35 Wow.

Narrator 56:36 Yeah, 200-

Taylor Sheridan 56:37 1980.

Narrator 56:38 ... 20 cast members. It says 91 had contracted cancer.

Joe Rogan 56:42 Wow. Oh my God. And this is pre-internet, kids.

Taylor Sheridan 56:46 And that's at that point too, 1980, so-

Joe Rogan 56:48 Right. But this is... You gotta think, this is like... It was difficult to track down this kinda information back then, and then to put it out on, uh, People Magazine. That's pretty wild.

Narrator 56:58 It was because of where they were doing, uh, St. George.

Taylor Sheridan 57:00 (sighs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:02 Only 137 miles from atomic testing range at Yucca Flat, Nevada. Yeah, they just blew shit up out there. (laughs) Have you ever seen the map? There's a video of, uh, the map of the United States, and it's a- it's actually a map of the world, but a lot of them happen in the United States. And it shows all the nuclear tests that are happening all around the world, like, when they first did it. Like, it shows the Trinity bomb, boom. And then it's like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then it gets into the '50s, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Watch this. Go to the first one.

Narrator 57:32 This goes on for 15 minutes, so we'll skip ahead.

Joe Rogan 57:33 I know, but it's amazing. (laughs) We don't ha- we don't have to watch the full 15 minutes. Can you, like, triple speed it or something?

Narrator 57:39 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:39 Doesn't it do that?

Narrator 57:40 I can try.

Joe Rogan 57:40 We did it the other day, right?

Narrator 57:41 Let me see.

Joe Rogan 57:41 Playback speed normal.

Narrator 57:43 Is it too fast-

Joe Rogan 57:43 Yeah.

Narrator 57:43 ... to do?

Joe Rogan 57:45 Okay, so just watch a little bit of this. So the first one goes off, boom, boom. They're doing them in the ocean, 'cause that's great for the fish.

Taylor Sheridan 57:54 Mm-hmm.

Narrator 57:54 It also, at the top, will tell you who's doing them, so, like, the first couple are us.

Joe Rogan 57:57 Right. Five of 'em are... So we've, we're five in now. It's the United States. Eight United States. We're like, "I'm not sure if it works. (laughs) Let's keep doing it." These are all in the ocean by the way, so- so far the ones we've seen. Now Russia starts popping off. Oh shit, Russia's got one. Boom, they did a test. And we're like, "Oh, bitch, we're gonna have to do some more tests now."

Narrator 58:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:15 You guys think you got a nuclear bomb, motherfucker? We got 500,000 of them. 16, 17. Now, by this time in 1951, the United States has 24-

Narrator 58:24 Wow.

Joe Rogan 58:24 ... and Russia has three.

Taylor Sheridan 58:25 Wow.

Joe Rogan 58:25 This is 1952. I mean, here now, now the United States has 30, no- (laughs) now if you look at this (laughs) , we go up to 45, like quick, and then Russia goes to eight. They're trying to keep up.

Taylor Sheridan 58:34 Australia snuck some in there.

Joe Rogan 58:36 Oh, did they really?

Taylor Sheridan 58:37 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:37 Look at that, they got three.

Taylor Sheridan 58:38 Or- Or Great Britain did, and they just decided to set it off in Australia.

Joe Rogan 58:40 Yeah, that's probably what they did. Look at this, United States has got 66 now. We're just popping off. So now these are all happening in Nevada. You're seeing them all-

Taylor Sheridan 58:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 58:49 ... pop off in the United States, uh, so far at least in that same area, which has got to be Nevada. See? There, look at- they're all popping off in that same area.

Narrator 58:58 Wow.

Joe Rogan 58:58 It's all one... (laughs) We're just nuking one spot-

Narrator 59:00 That was like-

Joe Rogan 59:00 ... of the country, and then we let gambling in. (laughs)

Narrator 59:02 I think it was 40 in like a year.

Taylor Sheridan 59:03 You know...

Joe Rogan 59:04 Oh my God, it's so insane. So it's at 139.

Taylor Sheridan 59:07 We talked about all these things...

Narrator 59:08 Yeah, right here ni- uh, October 1956, we're at 87.

Joe Rogan 59:12 Oh, that's so insane. And no one could tell them no. Here's the thing, it's like they are the, literally the people running the world back then.

Narrator 59:21 And by March of '58, we're at 121.

Joe Rogan 59:24 Whoa.

Taylor Sheridan 59:25 So-

Joe Rogan 59:25 How nuts.

Taylor Sheridan 59:25 ... question. So we're setting off thermonuclear weapons, gonna- and- and pretty soon here, probably some hydrogen bombs.

Narrator 59:33 Here you go, '67, we're at 510.

Joe Rogan 59:35 Jesus Christ. (laughs) That's so insane.

Taylor Sheridan 59:39 And we talk about things... We talk about things that warm the planet?

Joe Rogan 59:41 Yeah, that did a lot of warming, for sure.

Taylor Sheridan 59:43 W- w- w- I've never heard-

Joe Rogan 59:44 We literally nuked it.

Taylor Sheridan 59:44 No one's mentioned the half a- a thousand nuclear bombs we set off.

Joe Rogan 59:49 Here's the question. I know that the r- the fallout from, um, m- like, meltdowns, when reactors meltdown, that's pretty significant. That's a big deal. But how much of a big deal is the fallout from bombs going off? Like, there's people that live in Fukushima now, right? Or- or- or N- Nagasaki right now, right? They- they live in Japan in the areas that got hit.

Taylor Sheridan 1:00:11 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:00:11 They live in Hiroshima. The- it's like, it's okay there now. Right? So w- how long is it... Like, those areas-

Taylor Sheridan 1:00:17 I-

Joe Rogan 1:00:17 ... where they t- did the tests, like, what's it like now?

Taylor Sheridan 1:00:20 Is it-

Joe Rogan 1:00:20 Is it fucked? Is it-

Taylor Sheridan 1:00:21 I did read... At one point, I was reading a lot about all the cancer problems they were having, just like in Chernobyl, that they were having in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and those areas. Uh, and I don't know if they're still having those issues-

Joe Rogan 1:00:35 Right, that was my question.

Taylor Sheridan 1:00:36 ... three generations later.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 Was like, was this right after the bombs?... were the people that survived, that they got all that horrible radiation and then-

Taylor Sheridan 1:00:41 I think it came in waves. I think there was a lot of cancers in, like, the three to five years afterwards.

Joe Rogan 1:00:46 Hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 1:00:46 And then again in 1015. We could probably look it up. Um, but it was, it was a continuous-

Narrator 1:00:52 Let's just back to this. Uh, the Russia count jumps really fast here in one month. It jumped... It did, like, 60 or so in one little area and it looks like July? No. Yeah. September of '61?

Joe Rogan 1:01:04 Oh, boy.

Narrator 1:01:05 Did you see that? It went to, uh, it... 60 bombs went off.

Joe Rogan 1:01:07 That's the-

Narrator 1:01:08 And right here.

Joe Rogan 1:01:08 Dude, that's Khrushchev. That's the dude he banged his fucking shoe on the, on the desk, remember?

Narrator 1:01:13 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 1:01:13 (laughs) He said, "We will bury you." See if you can find that. That's the, that... You wanna think how scary things are now? You wanna think of what it was like in the 1960s when Khrushchev is- Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 ... banging his fucking, his heel on the... L- let me hear it, because the, the fucking tone of his voice.

Narrator 1:01:33 This is beat to the rhythmic shoes song.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Oh, they made a song out of it? (laughs)

Narrator 1:01:37 (laughs)

Taylor Sheridan 1:01:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:01:38 Of course. That's hilarious.

Narrator 1:01:41 That's still on two times also.

Joe Rogan 1:01:43 That, that was scary fucking time, and those were people that had lost millions and millions and millions of soldiers in World War II.

Narrator 1:01:52 (radio broadcast plays)

Taylor Sheridan 1:01:53 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:01:54 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 1:01:54 What, 20 million Russians died in the-

Joe Rogan 1:01:55 Yes. Something like that.

Narrator 1:01:57 ... speaker and custom to kindly stand again, uh, aside once again. (Suspenseful music plays) (Russian) .

Joe Rogan 1:02:05 'We live on Earth now by the grace of God.'

Narrator 1:02:07 (Russian) .

Joe Rogan 1:02:08 'No, sir, by your grace, by the strength and intelligence of the great people-'

Taylor Sheridan 1:02:13 (Russian) .

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 '... of the Soviet Union and all the peoples which are fighting for their independence.'

Narrator 1:02:18 (Russian) .

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 'You will not be able to smother the voice of the peoples, the voice of truth which rings aloud and will go on ringing. Death and destruction to colonial servitude. Away with it.'

Narrator 1:02:34 (Russian) .

Joe Rogan 1:02:34 'We must bury it, and deeper the better.'

Narrator 1:02:38 (Applause) .

Joe Rogan 1:02:39 He didn't bang his shoe. So when does he bang his shoe? It d- all, like-

Narrator 1:02:43 It didn't appear in the coverage, but that other video I had definitely showed him banging his shoe.

Taylor Sheridan 1:02:46 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Oh, so they, they edited it out.

Taylor Sheridan 1:02:49 They edited it.

Narrator 1:02:49 Maybe, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:49 Yeah. Maybe they were like, "That was a little intense. Let's calm that guy down. Let's get him a vodka."

Narrator 1:02:54 (Russian theme music plays) . See, there's something.

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 So yeah. Here he's banging his shoe.

Narrator 1:02:58 Well, he's banging a bunch of stuff. That's, like, a gavel or something. No, that could be a shoe.

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 I think that's a shoe.

Narrator 1:03:04 It looks like a shoe and it bounces.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 Yeah. I think that's a shoe.

Taylor Sheridan 1:03:06 But this is... That's all theater.

Joe Rogan 1:03:08 (inhales) It is all theater, but it's a terrifying theater because they're actually-

Taylor Sheridan 1:03:10 It's a terrifying theater.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 ... killing people.

Taylor Sheridan 1:03:11 Well, the way that they're controlling their own people is by th- threatening. They're, they're basically saying, "The United States is threatening our existence."

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 Uh-huh. Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 1:03:19 And, and that's the exact same thing that, that-

Joe Rogan 1:03:21 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 1:03:21 ... that the American government said about the Soviet Union and, and that's all that those nuclear testings were. It's, it's a dick measuring. It's just like, "Look what we can do, what we got."

Joe Rogan 1:03:30 Yeah. It's all, that's where communism goes, kids. It seems like a great idea. It seems like we should all share money. You know, we should, like... We shouldn't be so materialistic and if we just pooled all our money together, everybody would have enough and we wouldn't have to worry about anything. And then the government just tells you what your job is.

Taylor Sheridan 1:03:47 I just want someone to show me an example of it working.

Joe Rogan 1:03:49 It doesn't work.

Taylor Sheridan 1:03:50 Just show me one.

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 It, it works in small groups. That's where it work... If you can get a small group of bad motherfuckers-

Taylor Sheridan 1:03:55 Well, here's where it works.

Joe Rogan 1:03:56 ... you could be communists (laughs) .

Taylor Sheridan 1:03:57 You could make the argument that the Plains Indian tribes were communist. You could make that argument.

Joe Rogan 1:04:02 Right, right, right.

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:03 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:04:03 'Cause they didn't understand possessions. They would just-

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:05 Well, they, th- th- they... Everything is so... I'll take the Lakota, for example. Everything was predicated... Your wealth was basically how many horses you had, and, and those horses, you stole from another nation, another tribe. You know, the, the Lakota would steal from the Pawnee, they would steal from the Crow. Everybody stole from the Crow.

Joe Rogan 1:04:24 They were all raiding each other-

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:25 Um... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 ... which is an important point that is kinda left out of the narrative.

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:28 And it's also... And they would, then they would obviously kidnap, and one of the reasons that they did that was, you know, these were all familial tribes and it's survival, so we need a new bloodline to get in there.

Joe Rogan 1:04:37 Isn't that wild?

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:38 They also had low birth rates because of the riding of the horses. So-

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:42 And probably th- the low body fat, too, 'cause it's a-

Joe Rogan 1:04:44 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:45 ... purely, for the large... For the most part, it's a, it's a pure protein diet.

Joe Rogan 1:04:49 And they're just eating m- meat.

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:51 And-

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 They, they were carnivorous, completely.

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:53 Yeah. Um-

Joe Rogan 1:04:54 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 1:04:55 ... they would have... You know, there, there were certain things. Miners' lettuce and various, you know, annual, y- you know, seasonal fruits and-

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 Stuff they could find.

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:04 ... things that they could find, but, but come winter, man, that's six months. It's, it's... You're eating beef jerky-

Joe Rogan 1:05:10 Hmm.

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:10 ... you know?

Joe Rogan 1:05:11 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:11 And horses.

Joe Rogan 1:05:12 And that's why they're following the buffalo and-

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:14 Yeah, 100%.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 I mean, that is the way to do it (laughs) . Like-

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:19 But that's-

Joe Rogan 1:05:19 Like, the thing is, the people that live that way, like-

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:20 But, but notice, communism worked in that thing because what did we remove from it? Money.

Joe Rogan 1:05:24 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:25 Right? As soon as you-

Joe Rogan 1:05:25 Right.

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:25 As soon as you take a trinket and you assign a value to that trinket, then you, then people need to go be able to earn that trinket.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 That's such a good point.

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:33 And, and if you look at communism, there's plenty of rich people in communist countries. Real rich. They just all work for the Communist Party.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:42 Right? Um-

Joe Rogan 1:05:43 It's done.

Taylor Sheridan 1:05:43 I did a lot of research on Cuba for a project and, you know, interestingly enough, you know, they're given a ration of food. Every month, you get this. You're gonna get a certain amount of eggs, you're gonna get a certain amount of... You're gonna get a sack of beans, you're gonna get your flour, you're gonna get your sugar, you're gonna get this. Um, you're gonna get your coffee and you're gonna get your rum, 'cause we prefer you to stay nice and liquid and-

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 1:06:08 ... happy, right? But you're not gonna get to choose where you live. You're not gonna get to choose your job.

Joe Rogan 1:06:12 Yeah.

Taylor Sheridan 1:06:14 You're just not gonna get to do that. And they... I- I- I was studying up on this thing 'cause I was writing about a fisherman. And if you... And they live on an island, so you'd think, "Well, they can just go out and catch fish, and lobsters, and eat that." No, that belongs to the state. If you are caught with a lobster, you're going to prison.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 Oh, Jesus Christ.

Taylor Sheridan 1:06:35 Yeah. So, so you sacrifice-

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 Wow.

Taylor Sheridan 1:06:37 ... any freedom. So yeah, you may have, you may have free healthcare. How good is it? I don't know. Um, but, but-

Narrator 1:06:44 You don't get to determine your own path.

Joe Rogan 1:06:46 It's a gangster system. And then they have their athletics program, which is just off the charts. They produce some of the fucking craziest athletes in-

Narrator 1:06:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:56 ... combat sports, particularly in combat sports. I know, I know they do in other things, but Teofilo Stevenson, who was the guy who was the, um, the, uh, rival to Muhammad Ali, but he never left amateur boxing. He just won the gold medal. I don't know how many fucking years he won in a row. But he, everybody was like, "If we could get this guy outta Cuba, this is a guy that can actually test Muhammad Ali." He was that good.

Narrator 1:07:18 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 And he was just in the, in their Cuban program. And everyone was terrified of him, because amateur boxers, they reach a certain level of ability and they get a good record going, and either they go to the Olympics, and if they can medal, that can ensure they get a big purse in their first few fights.

Narrator 1:07:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:33 Olympic gold medalist, Pernell Whitaker, yeah, crowd went "America, America." But if they don't, they just get enough experience where they can go professional. But in Cuba, they never go professional. So you get guys that are 15, 16 years into a boxing career that's essentially always been professional.

Narrator 1:07:49 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:50 Always been with the most elite coaches, the most elite sports drugs. Like, whatever the fuck they have.

Narrator 1:07:55 (laughs) Right.

Joe Rogan 1:07:55 Whatever therapies they have, they're not natural. Like, "You're, you're gonna take whatever the fuck we give you."

Narrator 1:08:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:01 And that's what they did with Russia as well.

Narrator 1:08:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:03 And-

Narrator 1:08:04 China.

Joe Rogan 1:08:04 So, s- how many times did he win the gold medal? Three golds in a row. Jesus Christ.

Narrator 1:08:09 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 Three, three golds in a row. Three golds in a row. That's 12 years of gold medals. Then all these other golds too at other events. Yeah, all these different events. I mean, he was the fucking man. He was-

Narrator 1:08:19 Wow.

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 ... the fucking man. So what you're essentially dealing with is like a Mike Tyson type dude, who's at like that level of like world championship caliber boxing, but you're having to fight amateurs. So everybody else is just trying to get together a career so they can go off into the professionals. This guy can never be professional, so he is a professional.

Narrator 1:08:37 All right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:37 So he's the best in the fucking world, but he's just not getting paid to fight Muhammad Ali on television.

Narrator 1:08:43 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:43 He might, I mean, Ali might've beat him. Frazier might've beat him. Foreman might've, might've, some of those guys might've beat him, but he never got, we never got to see it.

Narrator 1:08:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:08:50 But what we did see is like that caliber of boxing come outta Cuba. And some of the scariest guys that have ever fought in the UFC have come outta Cuba. Yoel Romero, the freakiest of freak athletes of all time came outta Cuba.

Narrator 1:09:03 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:09:04 Yeah, he's like, he never won the gold in the UFC, but he got to the fucking game when he was like 36.

Narrator 1:09:11 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 Yeah, man. He's like in his 40s now and just jacked naturally.

Narrator 1:09:16 Still fighting.

Joe Rogan 1:09:18 I told this story before, I apologize for people who have listened, but the UFC brought him to a doctor because he had a, broke his orbital bone in a fight. He got, l- l- and they brought him to this doctor. And the doctor, uh, contacts the UFC and says, "Where did you get this guy?" And he goes, w- "He's, uh, one of our fighters." They go, "I've never seen a guy like him." He goes, "Yeah, yeah, he's, he's amazing," right? He goes, "No, no, no, you don't understand. Like, I've never seen a human being like this. I've been a doctor for 35 years," or whatever it was. He goes, "The tendons in his eyes are three times larger than a normal person's." He goes, "He's already healing." He goes, "The bone that's fractured in his orbital, it's already healing. It started to heal." Like, "Where'd you get this guy?"

Narrator 1:10:01 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:01 "Where the fuck did you get this guy? Have you ever seen him? Wait, look, I just want you to see what he looks like." That's Yoel Romero.

Narrator 1:10:07 Oh, shit.

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 Bro, and he's in his 40s here, in his 40s. And he's a fucking amazing guy, an amazing guy. He came in here and did a podcast with me, and Joey Diaz translated, so he can only speak limited, limited English. But he was talking about Cuba. He was like, "Where you at in Cuba, there's so many, so many guy, they're killers and killers, and you become a ch- a machine. You become a machine." And I was like, "Oh my God."

Narrator 1:10:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:35 What that guy went through. So that, that is also a part of what Cuba is. They're forced into this thing. If you were, uh, at the best level, you get to eat three times a day.

Narrator 1:10:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:46 But if you're at the other level, you get to eat twice a day, and you don't get to sleep in the good places. You get to sleep in the shit places. So all these guys are training with each other, all fighting for these spots literally for food.

Narrator 1:10:58 Fucking crazy.

Joe Rogan 1:10:58 Stevenson then, 22 years old, was rewarded with a house for himself in Havana, and another for himself and his family in, I don't know how to say that, Delicias?

Narrator 1:11:07 Delicias.

Joe Rogan 1:11:08 Uh, Stevenson later recalled, "I had no idea a house in Delicias was going to be so big. When I was shown the plane, I said, 'What is this, a bunker?'" Uh, the plans, rather. He said, "What is this, a bunker?" Um, so they, they gave him stuff. Yeah. They gave him like houses and shit. Two houses and two cars. Yeah, they, he, they would treat them well. They did that also for the Soviet athletes.

Narrator 1:11:26 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:11:26 Like, like, uh, guys like Karelin, the, the guy who's, that's another experiment. They literally called him The Experiment.

Narrator 1:11:33 Really?

Joe Rogan 1:11:34 You don't know who he is?

Narrator 1:11:35 No.

Joe Rogan 1:11:35 See, I should've showed you the photo in the gym. There's a photo of him that I have out there just constantly, I need a constant reminder of what a pussy I am.

Narrator 1:11:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:43 And it's this photo of Karelin, who was like 6'2", 300 pounds, and moved like a cat.

Narrator 1:11:49 Oh, I know, I know exactly who this guy is, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:51 Yeah. He would, literally his move was to pick guys up and smash them into the ground. So look at his face.

Narrator 1:11:58 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:11:58 He was beating you up with the world. So everybody else was trying to wrestle, and what Karelin was doing was wrestling