Joe Rogan Experience #2088 - Yannis Pappas

1. 0:00 – 1:05

   Austin catch-up: food, “town of freedom,” and mask culture contrasts

   1. YPYannis Pappas0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yannis Papas.

   4. YPYannis Pappas0:14

      Joe Rogan.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yannis Papas.

   6. YPYannis Pappas0:16

      Yannis Papas.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      How are you, my brother?

   8. YPYannis Pappas0:17

      I'm good. How you doing?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      What the fuck's cracking?

   10. YPYannis Pappas0:20

       I'm doing good, man. Just enjoying Austin.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Are you enjoying our town of freedom?

   12. YPYannis Pappas0:24

       I'm enjoying the town of freedom. Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       This is the town of freedom.

   14. YPYannis Pappas0:27

       Yes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       There's freedom here. This is the Wild West.

   16. YPYannis Pappas0:29

       Yes. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it. I'm eating. I went to Suerte.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Oh, that's a good spot.

   18. YPYannis Pappas0:35

       It was incredible.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Yeah, that's a good spot.

   20. YPYannis Pappas0:37

       I think it's the best Mexican I ever had.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       It's very good.

   22. YPYannis Pappas0:39

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       There's a lot of good Mexican out here.

   24. YPYannis Pappas0:41

       Yeah. But that-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       That's- that's a good spot though.

   26. YPYannis Pappas0:43

       That was good. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Yeah.

   28. YPYannis Pappas0:44

       And, of course, hit the Terry B's on Martin Luther King Day, so it was empty. It was nice.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Suerte, you have the added benefit of being around people with masks. That's like a East- East Austin.

   30. YPYannis Pappas0:55

       I didn't- I haven't seen any masks.
2. 1:05 – 4:17

   Performative activism and why modern conflicts get oversimplified

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:05

      It's wild. There's a San Francisco, um, like, town hall meeting, and they- they passed a vote to stop, uh, for a ceasefire in Palestine.

   2. YPYannis Pappas1:15

      I saw it. Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:16

      Yeah, and so they're all masked up, and they're dancing around, and they got blue hair, and somebody made a caption that this is literally South Park.

   4. YPYannis Pappas1:25

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:25

      This is literally an episode of South Park.

   6. YPYannis Pappas1:27

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:27

      And it... They look like fucking complete maniacs left in this war-torn, shattered hull of a city.

   8. YPYannis Pappas1:35

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:36

      Whatever's left, it's filled with human shit-

   10. YPYannis Pappas1:38

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:38

       ... and tents everywhere. They're dancing around like they've stopped the ceasefire in Palestine. "Yeah, we voted for it. Stop. Stopped it."

   12. YPYannis Pappas1:47

       They solved it in Oakland.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       Like as if Benjamin Netanyahu's paying attention.

   14. YPYannis Pappas1:52

       Right, like that's gonna work.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       He's gonna go, "Oh, I guess I'll stop now."

   16. YPYannis Pappas1:55

       Yeah. He stopped traffic on the way to the airport in New York, and that'll do it. (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:58

       Yeah, that does it. That generally does it.

   18. YPYannis Pappas2:00

       That's what, that's- that's what Netanyahu's waiting for. He's like, "All right, now I've- now I've- I've seen the error in my ways now."

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:07

       "Now I gotta pull back."

   20. YPYannis Pappas2:08

       "Now I gotta pull back."

   21. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       "I did go a little too far. Let me back up."

   22. YPYannis Pappas2:11

       "Yeah, let me back it up right now."

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:12

       Dude, they're stopping traffic.

   24. YPYannis Pappas2:13

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       This is serious.

   26. YPYannis Pappas2:14

       I saw in, uh, Austin, I saw three people on the overpass just holding up a free Palestine thing, and I'm going like, "All right, that did it."

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:21

       I bet those people have amazing, productive lives, and they're not crazy at all.

   28. YPYannis Pappas2:26

       Yeah, not at all. No.

   29. JRJoe Rogan2:27

       Yeah.

   30. YPYannis Pappas2:27

       They got nothing. They got- they got a full schedule of things to do, and they took a lot of time out of their schedule-
3. 4:17 – 5:11

   Why war still works as a “hustle” and the generals’ chessboard

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:17

      It's just wild that they could still pull off war today. War, which is essentially, like, hijacking resources or controlling parcels of land. It's weird that they could still talk people into that today 'cause it's kind of an old hustle. It's almost like old radio.

   2. YPYannis Pappas4:31

      Yeah. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:32

      Like... (laughs) You know? It's such an old hustle that you can get people to believe, "These people hate you for your freedom," or whatever it is, and then you go over there. "Oh, let's fucking shut it all up and go kick their ass."

   4. YPYannis Pappas4:44

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:44

      It's kind of amazing, given what we know about the true nature of conflicts and how so many things are manipulated behind the scenes to force people into actual physical conflict, and then there's generals that sit in air conditioned offices and they move their pieces around the board like chess pieces.

   6. YPYannis Pappas5:06

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:06

      Human lives.

   8. YPYannis Pappas5:07

      Yeah. Yeah, and they don't fight. They're never in the front.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:10

      Never.

4. 5:11 – 8:16

   Ancient life, Alexander the Great, and the reality of the past

   1. YPYannis Pappas5:11

      I don't even think Alexander the Great was in the front. I don't buy it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:15

      Well, he didn't live long. You know that-

   3. YPYannis Pappas5:16

      He didn't live a great...

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:17

      Alexander the Great, he died at like, he's like 40.

   5. YPYannis Pappas5:19

      Yeah, didn't they die young back then?

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:20

      Oh, yeah.

   7. YPYannis Pappas5:21

      And he died of, like, some sickness. He didn't die from, like, a battle wound.

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:25

      I think probably all died of sickness.

   9. YPYannis Pappas5:27

      Can you, but can you survive if you're in the front back then? Or was it like a human-

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       No.

   11. YPYannis Pappas5:31

       ... meat factory?

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:31

       No, you're not gonna survive.

   13. YPYannis Pappas5:32

       He was in the back.

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:33

       Most likely, you're not gonna survive. I- I feel like back then, like, sickness probably really kicked in when we started gathering together and throwing our shit out the window. Our actual shit. Like, human shit. Like, if you think about the s- the cities of ancient times before there was plumbing.... do you know how horrific-

   15. YPYannis Pappas5:53

       Oh, history-

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:53

       ... that most of it. We-

   17. YPYannis Pappas5:54

       ... history smelled, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       We don't remember.

   19. YPYannis Pappas5:57

       No.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:57

       We weren't there. We assume. Every place is like Target.

   21. YPYannis Pappas6:00

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:01

       We assume every place is like a, a, you know, a fucking rest stop on the highway you can go in and take a shit. No.

   23. YPYannis Pappas6:08

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:08

       No. People were shitting out windows. They were throwing their shit in buckets.

   25. NANarrator6:12

       According to Wikipedia, he was a very productive, uh, 20-year-old, 20-something.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:18

       He was 20?

   27. NANarrator6:19

       When he took over as king.

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:21

       (sniffs) Whoa.

   29. YPYannis Pappas6:22

       Yeah, he conquered the world. He was in his early 20s.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:24

       What a gangster. Look at this. By the age of 20, okay, he succeeded his father, Philip II, to the throne in 3- 336 BC at the age of 20 and spent most of his ruling years conducting a lengthy military campaign through Western Asia and Egypt. By the time- by the age of 30, he had created one of the largest empires in history, holy shit, stretching from Greece to Northwestern India. He was undefeated in battle and widely considered one of history's greatest and most successful military commanders. And wasn't he also gay?
5. 8:16 – 12:06

   Greece, psychedelics, and the roots of democracy (Eleusinian Mysteries)

   1. YPYannis Pappas8:16

      Yeah. The only thing we didn't do is create an empire because we were too busy infighting, which is a lit- which is typically Greek.

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:22

      Well, you know, you can't do everything.

   3. YPYannis Pappas8:25

      Can't do everything.

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:26

      Did a lot more than a lot of other cultures 2,500 years ago.

   5. YPYannis Pappas8:29

      We did a lot with mathematics, philosophy.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:32

      Democracy.

   7. YPYannis Pappas8:32

      Democracy.

   8. JRJoe Rogan8:33

      Yeah.

   9. YPYannis Pappas8:34

      We did a lot.

   10. JRJoe Rogan8:35

       Yeah, a lot with drugs too.

   11. YPYannis Pappas8:36

       Lot with drugs, lot with, uh, pedophilia.

   12. JRJoe Rogan8:38

       Have you, um, ever read that book, um, The Immortality Key?

   13. YPYannis Pappas8:43

       No.

   14. JRJoe Rogan8:43

       I- it's about the Eleusinian Mysteries. It's this guy, Brian Muraresku. And, uh, Brian's been a guest on the podcast before, and he's a scholar who is like a straight-laced guy. He's never, doesn't do drugs, nothing. And he, through all of his course of study, they were trying to figure out like what they were doing in these Eleusinian Mysteries. Like, why were people going from all over the world to have these experiences? What were these experiences? So, they recently discovered that inside these pottery vessels that they used to contain wine and beer in, they found ergot. And ergot is a very potent psychedelic. It's, uh, it's like a fungus. It's, uh, I think it's akin to LSD. And so, they're very, at the very least, we're taking that in this one spot. And what they believe is that all of these like transcendent experiences they had, these Eleusinian Mysteries, they get together and figure out how to solve the world and let people vote, all, all that wacky... That's all, I'm tripping balls. This is my idea, shit. And it's literally the birthplace of democracy. It's literally how the world changed for the better. And your people were doing it 2,500 years ago. And you can walk in the same spots where they walked. You can see the buildings that they built. It's weird. It's weird when shit is that old.

   15. YPYannis Pappas10:03

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       And you can just walk on it.

   17. YPYannis Pappas10:05

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan10:05

       Like the Parthenon, you just walk around.

   19. YPYannis Pappas10:07

       Yeah. And you can, uh, you, you can marvel at how, uh, durable what they built is.

   20. JRJoe Rogan10:12

       Yes.

   21. YPYannis Pappas10:13

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan10:13

       2000 years is so long.

   23. YPYannis Pappas10:16

       There'll be no, yeah, in 2000 years from now, you're not gonna see any strip malls still standing.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:20

       No.

   25. YPYannis Pappas10:20

       They'll be like shit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:21

       They'll, they'll literally be dust.

   27. YPYannis Pappas10:22

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       They'll be dust.

   29. YPYannis Pappas10:24

       They built things really well back then. I- I think 100-

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       Great effort too.
6. 12:06 – 21:52

   Depression, trauma, neuroplasticity—and Yannis’ experience with EMDR

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:06

      I wonder how much... I mean, there's certainly different kinds of depression. There's depression that's, uh, clearly there's something wrong chemically with some people. But how much of it is just from not being healthy? How much of not being healthy with your body and not being healthy with where your life is going, like where your j- what kind of job you have, what you wanna do with your life?

   2. YPYannis Pappas12:29

      That's gotta be some of it. And then-

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:30

      The friendships you have. What if you have a moment when all your friends suck?

   4. YPYannis Pappas12:33

      Yeah, that's gotta be a big part of it. And I think trauma, I think childhood trauma.

   5. JRJoe Rogan12:37

      Mm-hmm.

   6. YPYannis Pappas12:37

      I think, uh, childhood trauma kinda can, uh, can make you depressed.

   7. JRJoe Rogan12:42

      Yeah, for sure.

   8. YPYannis Pappas12:42

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:43

      For sure.

   10. YPYannis Pappas12:44

       I think that they-

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:44

       Especially abuse.

   12. YPYannis Pappas12:45

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       Abuse seems like the one that people have the hardest time shaking is 'cause it's n- not that, they weren't even, th- it wasn't even that they were ignored, it's that someone preyed on them.

   14. YPYannis Pappas12:55

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:56

       And they gave, they have no self-worth, they're beaten.

   16. YPYannis Pappas12:59

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:59

       They have no self-worth.

   18. YPYannis Pappas13:00

       And they know that, uh, the younger the abuse or the neglect happened, the more of an imprint it li-

   19. JRJoe Rogan13:08

       Yeah.

   20. YPYannis Pappas13:08

       ... it leaves, 'cause your brain is forming, and...

   21. JRJoe Rogan13:10

       It's fascinating stuff, man.

   22. YPYannis Pappas13:12

       Yeah. But we have neuroplasticity, and you can-

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       Mm-hmm.

   24. YPYannis Pappas13:14

       ... go th- to therapy, and EDMR is something I'm doing, and it's incredible. It's the only thing I've ever done that sort of works.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:22

       What is that?

   26. YPYannis Pappas13:23

       EDMR, uh, was invented by Francine Shapiro, like, in the '80s accidentally. She's a psychologist, and now it's become sort of the, uh, gold standard for trauma treatment and PTSD in, like, vet hospitals and stuff. And what it is, is it's, um, uh, eye, uh, ED, uh, it's, uh, eye movement desensita- uh, desensitata- tization and reprocessing. And so they move your eyes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:49

       So, it involves moving your eyes in a very specific way while you process traumatic memories?

   28. YPYannis Pappas13:54

       Yeah. I'm doing it now.

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       Whoa!

   30. YPYannis Pappas13:57

       It's crazy.
7. 21:52 – 25:46

   Medication vs rewiring the brain: mental-health progress and ethical risks

   1. JRJoe Rogan21:52

      Now, imagine you have panic and anxiety already, and you're already experiencing depression, and then they prescribe to you medication. And one of the side effects of that medication is suicide, suicidal ideation.

   2. YPYannis Pappas22:07

      Suicidal ideations, yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan22:07

      Yeah. That's... Imagine being that person and forced with that choice. Like, this may help you, or you might just...

   4. YPYannis Pappas22:19

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan22:19

      Yeah.

   6. YPYannis Pappas22:20

      Well, medication, yeah, it just-

   7. JRJoe Rogan22:22

      That's a wild one, man.

   8. YPYannis Pappas22:23

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan22:24

      Because-

   10. YPYannis Pappas22:24

       Medication is-

   11. JRJoe Rogan22:24

       ... it can help you.

   12. YPYannis Pappas22:25

       It can help you.

   13. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       But it can a- You could also...

   14. YPYannis Pappas22:27

       It can hurt you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan22:28

       You could go sliding down a hill, and there's no trees to grab.

   16. YPYannis Pappas22:31

       But every study they do still till now, medication is not the end all cure.

   17. JRJoe Rogan22:37

       Yeah.

   18. YPYannis Pappas22:37

       Like it just doesn't... It can numb it. It can help you. It's definitely good if you're in like a jam, like if you're really in a bad spot, it can... But when you do the medication, that's when you gotta start doing the work. You can't just do the medication-

   19. JRJoe Rogan22:51

       Yeah.

   20. YPYannis Pappas22:51

       ... as an end to fix it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan22:53

       But the medication is interfering with the natural system. You know what I think? I think it's gonna be in the future, medication is gonna be like, for mental illness, it's gonna be like leeches. Like, "Oh, they used to use leeches. They didn't know any better. Oh, they should just put medicine into people. We should give them chemicals." "Oh, they didn't fix the brain?" "No, they just did chemicals."

   22. YPYannis Pappas23:11

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan23:12

       "Why didn't they do the rewiring?" "Oh, they hadn't figured it out yet."

   24. YPYannis Pappas23:14

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan23:15

       But that, that... The- the fucked up thing is that trauma that you experienced as a child or those bad... Well, the trauma is a- a very overused word, 'cause some people experience real trauma. So let me say this, the- the negative experiences that you've had, both as a- an adult and as a child, those also made you who you are if you're happy with the result. Like if you're happy with how you're living, you're happy with what you're doing, those things were important to go through, unfortunately.

   26. YPYannis Pappas23:45

       Well, there's nothing-

   27. JRJoe Rogan23:46

       It's just-

   28. YPYannis Pappas23:46

       ... you could do about them. It happened.

   29. JRJoe Rogan23:47

       Right.

   30. YPYannis Pappas23:47

       You gotta make the best out of them. And a lot, you know, a lot of people do make the best out of them and turn them into something.
8. 25:46 – 29:02

   Comedy as mental resilience and the comedians’ “green room” community

   1. YPYannis Pappas25:46

      ... com- funny m- ma- uh, comedy makes it o- everything okay.

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:50

      Yeah.

   3. YPYannis Pappas25:50

      That's why I think it makes-

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:52

      More fun.

   5. YPYannis Pappas25:53

      It makes everything okay. It just, it, it conquers everything.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:56

      Yeah.

   7. YPYannis Pappas25:56

      It just, it means you're... When you have a good sense of humor and when you're laughing in the right way, not just cackling by yourself in a room, but it just means you're mentally healthy. It's a sign of mental health and strength when you can laugh at horrible things. Y- that's the way you conquer them.

   8. JRJoe Rogan26:10

      Yeah. It's also a sign that you're recognizing nuance when you're playing with it.

   9. YPYannis Pappas26:14

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan26:14

       Like, it doesn't mean that you really think that this tragedy is great.

   11. YPYannis Pappas26:17

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:18

       You just find something horrible to say that's hilarious-

   13. YPYannis Pappas26:21

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:21

       ... about the tragedy. And sometimes, you can only do that with your friends. You only do that at a deli. (laughs)

   15. YPYannis Pappas26:26

       Yeah. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan26:28

       You know, you can only do that (laughs) . You can only do that having dinner at 1:00 o'clock in the morning, just talking shit-

   17. YPYannis Pappas26:32

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan26:32

       ... and making each other laugh.

   19. YPYannis Pappas26:33

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan26:34

       That, but that's also a thing that w- I think we have really, that we're really lucky about. That's our big gift. Our big d- gift is each other. Like, as comedians, you know, I s- I spend time with a lot of different people and a lot of, you know, d- d- different occupations, and I always can't wait to get back to comedians. I always k- can't wait to get back to the green room at the Mothership, can't, can't wait to, uh, d- do sets on the road. It's just, the conversations are so much more fun.

   21. YPYannis Pappas27:00

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:01

       They're so fun.

   23. YPYannis Pappas27:02

       You, yeah, you can say anything and-

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:04

       And it's just fun.

   25. YPYannis Pappas27:05

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:05

       Everyone's just being funny and smiling and, and realizing, wow, we're so lucky. We used to be open mic night comedians, and, and now here we are about to go do a sold-out show. We're having dinner together at a restaurant and laughing, and then you go have fun. Yay!

   27. YPYannis Pappas27:18

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan27:18

       And then the people have fun. Yay!

   29. YPYannis Pappas27:20

       Yeah, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan27:21

       It's beautiful.
9. 29:02 – 46:34

   9/11, Epstein, and how conspiracies get weaponized to hide real scandals

   1. JRJoe Rogan29:02

      That was someone who was telling me that about the World Trade Center. They were saying, you know, the World Trade Center was designed to be hit by a jet plane. And I don't know if they're right, but what they were saying is, "Do you know how much corruption there is in construction?"

   2. YPYannis Pappas29:16

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:16

      And I was like, "No, how much?" They go, "Oh, say if it's supposed to get five bolts. If you only use four, do you know how much money you save over a whole building? If you make the steel that thick instead of that thick (laughs) , do you know how much money you save? If it calls for, like, half inch this but you use quarter inch that, you know how much money you save?"

   4. YPYannis Pappas29:36

      You gotta pay off the inspectors and all that, I guess.

   5. JRJoe Rogan29:38

      I guess.

   6. YPYannis Pappas29:40

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan29:40

      Are they really inspecting everything?

   8. YPYannis Pappas29:42

      Uh, yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan29:42

      How does that work?

   10. YPYannis Pappas29:43

       You just-

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:44

       Uh-

   12. YPYannis Pappas29:44

       ... yeah, you cross your fingers.

   13. JRJoe Rogan29:45

       I don't know if that's the case. But, um, my point was always like, how the fuck do you know what's gonna happen to a building until a plane slams into it and you get to watch?

   14. YPYannis Pappas29:56

       Right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan29:57

       'Cause there's never been a skyscraper that got hit by a plane before.

   16. YPYannis Pappas30:00

       Which makes it interesting-

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:02

       You can't say, "This is not how it should've happened."

   18. YPYannis Pappas30:04

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:04

       Like, we have zero idea-

   20. YPYannis Pappas30:06

       Well, the-

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:06

       ... what it looks like, other than 9/11, when j-

   22. YPYannis Pappas30:09

       When a plane s-

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:09

       ... jets slam into skyscrapers.

   24. YPYannis Pappas30:10

       A plane hit the, uh, Empire State Building, big one.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       When was that?

   26. YPYannis Pappas30:16

       The 40...

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       Was it a propeller plane?

   28. YPYannis Pappas30:19

       No, it was a big plane.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       Like a jet?

   30. YPYannis Pappas30:21

       Yeah.
10. 46:34 – 1:01:29

    Propaganda, censorship, and “wrap-up smear” politics—plus polarized media ecosystems

    1. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       They get, and they get printed in, like, major newspapers, like, how... Some of the propaganda in the beginning of the Israeli, uh, Hamas war was, uh, that these Israelis bombed a hospital and 500 people were killed. It was printed in The New York Times.

    2. YPYannis Pappas46:48

       I remember that, yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan46:48

       They didn't hit the hospital.

    4. YPYannis Pappas46:49

       No.

    5. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       They hit the parking lot next to the hospital and it seems-

    6. YPYannis Pappas46:51

       I think a lot of that is the rush too, to get to the story first, like, 'cause there's so much competition. Everyone's just putting things out, and nobody cares about the retraction anyway and so...

    7. JRJoe Rogan46:59

       Well, uh, the ru- Also, that's a juicy story.

    8. YPYannis Pappas47:03

       Yeah.

    9. JRJoe Rogan47:03

       If Israel really did bomb a hospital-

    10. YPYannis Pappas47:05

        Yeah.

    11. JRJoe Rogan47:05

        ... like, oh my god, this is genocide.

    12. YPYannis Pappas47:07

        Yeah.

    13. JRJoe Rogan47:07

        You know, it really helps that narrative.

    14. YPYannis Pappas47:09

        Yeah. Like, I was watching this documentary last night, and the media did that to this couple. Uh, they did it because the movie Gone Girl was out at the time, so they just started calling her Gone Girl, and she made up this whole story of being kidnapped. She did get kidnapped. She did get raped.

    15. JRJoe Rogan47:22

        Oh, my God.

    16. YPYannis Pappas47:22

        But the media was just making fun of her, calling her Gone Girl because it's a juicier story.

    17. JRJoe Rogan47:27

        Oh, my God.

    18. YPYannis Pappas47:27

        They just ran with it. The police department, too, was all convinced that she was a gone girl. People just... Marketing and, and advertising and, um, subterfuge, it works. It just works. That's why advertisers spend billions of dollars on it, because it works.

    19. JRJoe Rogan47:42

        You ever see Nancy Pelosi talking about it openly, talk about the wrap-up smear?

    20. YPYannis Pappas47:47

        No.

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:47

        You know, Nancy's been in politics for a long time.

    22. YPYannis Pappas47:50

        She's been a long time.

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:51

        And she's a genius with her money.

    24. YPYannis Pappas47:53

        She's very good. She beats the market a lot.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:55

        It's amazing that someone who's never mur- made more than $170,000 a year is worth 150 million bucks.

    26. YPYannis Pappas48:01

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan48:01

        (laughs) And she does better investing in the stock market than Warren Buffett or George Soros.

    28. YPYannis Pappas48:05

        Yeah, she's always beaten the market.

    29. JRJoe Rogan48:07

        So, I don't know what happened. Maybe she had a senior moment, and she just started explaining how you lie. And she... I mean, this can't be AI, is it? I, I think it's real 'cause it's from a couple of years ago. It's called the wrap-up smear.

    30. NANarrator48:19

        Yeah, there's an AP that, uh, assessment that says it's been taken out of context. I was trying to get to what the context was.
11. 1:01:29 – 1:15:17

    Elections, Trump derangement, borders, and sanctuary-city reality checks

    1. YPYannis Pappas1:01:29

       Well, that's why he's gonna win this election if they let him run. (sighs) He's gonna win. Well, I think the abortion thing really shot the Republicans in the foot.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       Yeah.

    3. YPYannis Pappas1:01:36

       I, I think a lot of women are not happy about that, whether they publicly say it or not.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       I think it's a gamble. It's like what percentage of people are pro and what percentage of people are against? And how many of the, like, the people that are actually gonna vote, the real hardcore-

    5. YPYannis Pappas1:01:51

       Right.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       ... you know, red till I'm dead, how many of those people are pro-life? Probably a good number.

    7. YPYannis Pappas1:01:59

       Like, the majority-

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

       And the other ones are, the other ones are not gonna vote Democrat just for that issue. If you do- uh, like, I, I believe with Trump with everything, except killing babies, I'm not gonna vote for him in that. I just think you should be able to do that.

    9. YPYannis Pappas1:02:12

       Yeah.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:12

        Like, very few people are gonna do that. Unless you currently need one right now-

    11. YPYannis Pappas1:02:17

        (laughs)

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:17

        ... you know? And then that might sway your judgment.

    13. YPYannis Pappas1:02:19

        Right.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

        But very few people, if, like, most of the st- the chips are stacked in this one direction but there's just one?

    15. YPYannis Pappas1:02:25

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:26

        The thing is, the, the thing about it is the control thing. The thing about it that is, is kind of crazy is being able to tell someone what they can and can't do, and to say there's no debate.

    17. YPYannis Pappas1:02:36

        Right.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:36

        Well, there's clearly a debate, because people have been having abortions all over the place and we're not putting them in jail. Right? So there's clearly a debate as to what that is.

    19. YPYannis Pappas1:02:44

        Yeah, and it's also that it's one of those things where it's like you're morally against it, so then if you're morally against it, then you don't do it and be morally against it. But it's one of those things that's gonna happen. It's like being morally against something doesn't change anything in the real world.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:59

        Yeah.

    21. YPYannis Pappas1:02:59

        See, like with Israel and Palestine, like a, I'm morally against it. It's like, okay, what's that gonna do?

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:03:03

        Right. But to an ex- to an extent.

    23. YPYannis Pappas1:03:04

        It's not gonna stop people from dying.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:03:05

        To an extent. To an extent. Because once the baby's born, then we all agree you can't kill it.

    25. YPYannis Pappas1:03:10

        Right.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:10

        So but that's ... so there's a number.

    27. YPYannis Pappas1:03:12

        But most of the world does, like, what? First term, after first term is not good.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:16

        Yeah, I think, uh-

    29. YPYannis Pappas1:03:17

        There's gotta be a compromise.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:18

        It's interesting these people are talking about-

Episode duration: 2:32:01