Joe Rogan Experience #2088 - Yannis Pappas

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast.…

   1. YPYannis Pappas0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yannis Papas.

   4. YPYannis Pappas0:14

      Joe Rogan.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yannis Papas.

   6. YPYannis Pappas0:16

      Yannis Papas.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      How are you, my brother?

   8. YPYannis Pappas0:17

      I'm good. How you doing?

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      What the fuck's cracking?

   10. YPYannis Pappas0:20

       I'm doing good, man. Just enjoying Austin.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       Are you enjoying our town of freedom?

   12. YPYannis Pappas0:24

       I'm enjoying the town of freedom. Yes.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       This is the town of freedom.

   14. YPYannis Pappas0:27

       Yes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       There's freedom here. This is the Wild West.

   16. YPYannis Pappas0:29

       Yes. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it. I'm eating. I went to Suerte.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       Oh, that's a good spot.

   18. YPYannis Pappas0:35

       It was incredible.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       Yeah, that's a good spot.

   20. YPYannis Pappas0:37

       I think it's the best Mexican I ever had.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       It's very good.

   22. YPYannis Pappas0:39

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       There's a lot of good Mexican out here.

   24. YPYannis Pappas0:41

       Yeah. But that-

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       That's- that's a good spot though.

   26. YPYannis Pappas0:43

       That was good. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Yeah.

   28. YPYannis Pappas0:44

       And, of course, hit the Terry B's on Martin Luther King Day, so it was empty. It was nice.

   29. JRJoe Rogan0:49

       Suerte, you have the added benefit of being around people with masks. That's like a East- East Austin.

   30. YPYannis Pappas0:55

       I didn't- I haven't seen any masks.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. YPYannis Pappas15:00

      get sad, and I didn't understand it. And then I'd be in a hotel room in, uh, on the road, and I'd just start, like, panicking, and I'd be like, "What is this?" And so I was talking to my friend, uh, Tracee Carnazzo, um, she's w- she's a comic in New York. She's funny, and she's one of these Italian girls who's just got a guy for everything. She's just, you ask her anything, she's like, "I g- I know somebody." So she asked, she was like, "How are you?" And I just answered honestly. I was like, "Ah, I'm d- uh," I d- and I'd give like a paragraph. (laughs)

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:30

      (laughs)

   3. YPYannis Pappas15:30

      And she was sound- she was like, "It sounds like you didn't feel safe as a kid." She was like, uh, "Let me get you in touch with this person who I'm friends with who does EDMR." And then I got in touch with this therapist, and she's incredible. And, um, I started the EDMR journey, and it's been... It's the only thing I've done. And EDMR has a beginning, middle, and end. It's not like, you know, it d- it does, it's not like ad infinitum, it just goes on forever. It's like you're there to reprocess this trauma.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:55

      And so do you do it at a specific place?

   5. YPYannis Pappas15:57

      I do it, I do it Zoom. I love to Zoom.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:59

      You Zoom?

   7. YPYannis Pappas16:00

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:00

      So you Zoom with someone who guides you through it?

   9. YPYannis Pappas16:02

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Is that how it works?

   11. YPYannis Pappas16:03

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:04

       And you do it how often?

   13. YPYannis Pappas16:05

       I'm doing it now twice a week. But you can do it once a week.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       And how long is each session?

   15. YPYannis Pappas16:09

       An hour. S- she'll go longer sometimes though.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       Wild.

   17. YPYannis Pappas16:12

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       So, what did, d- what do you f- do you feel, like, the chemicals moving around in your brain while you're doing this? Like-

   19. YPYannis Pappas16:20

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       Huh?

   21. YPYannis Pappas16:20

       Yeah, you do. And i- that's a big part of it is identifying the, um, the trauma in the body and how it affects the body. There's a book called, um, uh, The Body Keeps the Score, by, I think his name is Bessel. He's a psychiatrist, and he's, he's responsible for all these trauma centers all over the country, and-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:39

       So this, this guy is doing it to this lady right now.

   23. YPYannis Pappas16:41

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       He's going back and forth with his fingers, and she's following his fingers. And so is she supposed to be thinking about traumatic memories?

   25. YPYannis Pappas16:47

       So then he'll bring up, he'll take her back through the... The fir- the first, uh, phase is, like, identifying the trauma, so it's a lot of talk therapy. So you kinda, you know, talk a lot, talk a lot, talk a lot, and then the therapist gets the idea of what you need to go back and reprocess.

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       Yeah.

   27. YPYannis Pappas17:02

       And new things will come up when you go back, and, and, um, and then you'll reprocess it. It's not just hands. You can do, uh, you can follow a ball, you can hold, uh, buzzers in each hand. It's about stimulating both sides of your brain.

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:15

       Yeah.

   29. YPYannis Pappas17:15

       What's happening in mental health now is so fascinating because w- when you parallel it with, like, what happened in medicine, right? Like, we used to treat the symptom, right? So if someone had a fever, they treated the fever, but they didn't know what the cause was. So they'd put you in cold water or boiling water, whatever they did, and then they found out about viruses and bacteria, so they started treating the cause. Now, in mental health, you're, you're starting to see that revolution because of, um, you know, the advances in neuroscience where they can look at the brain and they can actually see, you know, what parts are responsible for what, where trauma, uh, shows up in the brain. They just did ano- uh, a recent study, it was a big study, about how trauma is, doesn't... Traumatic memories don't come back as memories. They come back, uh, they light up in the part of your brain as if it's happening now, which makes sense. We knew that because, you know, when Vietnam vets start bugging out and they're in the supermarket or whatever. But it, they can actually see it now in the brain that the, the brain is processing it as it's happening now. So, um, you know, converging...... neuroscience and s- psychology and all the things that they've known from all these different advances. And it- it- it seems to be in a place now where trauma is becoming one of the things that they focus on the most, like early childhood trauma or traumatic events. Uh, in war, obviously, we know that that's, you know, a big... That's the- the specific cause of what is bothering those people, you know, is what they've experienced. And so now, they're targeting the trauma, but they have ways to treat the trauma with EDMR, with brainspotting it's called. Um, you know, a whole bunch of these, um, tactics.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:57

       That's really fascinating.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Which makes it interesting-…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      plane before.

   2. YPYannis Pappas30:00

      Which makes it interesting-

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:02

      You can't say, "This is not how it should've happened."

   4. YPYannis Pappas30:04

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:04

      Like, we have zero idea-

   6. YPYannis Pappas30:06

      Well, the-

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      ... what it looks like, other than 9/11, when j-

   8. YPYannis Pappas30:09

      When a plane s-

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      ... jets slam into skyscrapers.

   10. YPYannis Pappas30:10

       A plane hit the, uh, Empire State Building, big one.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       When was that?

   12. YPYannis Pappas30:16

       The 40...

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       Was it a propeller plane?

   14. YPYannis Pappas30:19

       No, it was a big plane.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:20

       Like a jet?

   16. YPYannis Pappas30:21

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       Really?

   18. YPYannis Pappas30:22

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:23

       How bad did it fuck it up?

   20. YPYannis Pappas30:24

       It slammed right into it.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:26

       ... didn't do shit to it? Yeah.

   22. NANarrator30:26

       B-25, nine, in 1945.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       Can you j-... Wow, that's crazy.

   24. NANarrator30:30

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       Yeah.

   26. NANarrator30:32

       Uh, it's a... It's a listen to wish pictures, I guess, would be fair.

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:34

       Whoa. Wish pictures?

   28. YPYannis Pappas30:35

       And the buildings fell not because of the plane hitting it.

   29. JRJoe Rogan30:37

       Oh, shit.

   30. YPYannis Pappas30:38

       Yeah. Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   It has some benefits.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      like, a video of all... "And we're gonna have to get you to stop." It's like, for the greater good, for the greater good.

   2. YPYannis Pappas45:09

      It has some benefits. Social credit scores have a benefit. Things are cleaner. They run a little more orderly. (clicks tongue)

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      Sure.

   4. YPYannis Pappas45:15

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      You have to listen or you can't eat.

   6. YPYannis Pappas45:18

      It's horrible. It's a nightmare. But, you know, there is some...

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      It's-

   8. YPYannis Pappas45:21

      Things do run better.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      Well, it runs better for the government.

   10. YPYannis Pappas45:25

       When you force people to do stuff, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:25

       Yeah, you have less dissent because you kill people.

   12. YPYannis Pappas45:27

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:27

       I mean, China's doing a great job of showing how you can run it.

   14. YPYannis Pappas45:30

       You can run it. Yeah, they're just doing it.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:32

       Yeah.

   16. YPYannis Pappas45:32

       It's a nice tight ship over there.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:33

       That's how you make an iPhone.

   18. YPYannis Pappas45:33

       Nobody's jaywalking. Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       That's how you make an iPhone.

   20. YPYannis Pappas45:36

       That's how you make an iPhone over there.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       Yeah.

   22. YPYannis Pappas45:38

       You get, you get, you get people to follow rules.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       Yeah.

   24. YPYannis Pappas45:41

       They, you know...

   25. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       If that comes over here, that's the end of creativity. That's the end of everything. Because you're just gonna have to shut the fuck up, and you're gonna have to toe the line, and we all already know that the line is nonsense.

   26. YPYannis Pappas45:53

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan45:53

       We know that the line is not really intelligent people that are assessing objectively what's going on in the world and giving you, uh, uh, a reasonable version of the events. We know that's not really what we're seeing in the media.

   28. YPYannis Pappas46:08

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       We're seeing people that are deeply influenced by advertising budgets, by what kind of companies advertise on their shows, by the investors who own stock in the company. It's, there's narratives, and they're not necessarily even remotely honest.

   30. YPYannis Pappas46:27

       Right.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:29

   Yeah. …

   1. NANarrator1:00:02

      to really be able to, like find a long-lasting peace is just a real example for the world. And, you know, those guys did a lot of really good work, and- I- it's, it's a miracle, actually, when you, when you look at it. What they did- Yeah. ... you know, despite the fact... Listen, I'm no fan of Trump, and I am too homeless- But this is where- ... and it's a political party, but- Can I say this? But this i- ... if you want to objectively look at what they did, it was good work. You have to-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

      Yeah.

   3. NANarrator1:00:28

      And, in fact, this is a moment where you have to start to re-underwrite, like is one's Trump derangement syndrome causing more damage than anything that Trump could have actually done? And I think the answer is yes because, like it's now causing us to not see that good work and then embrace and extend it. So much of the work that happened in that administration...... turns out to have been right. And that's what's so frustrating for me. The work on the border wall, we didn't like the messenger, so we killed the message. Turned out it was right. Issuing long-term debt to refinance when rates were at zero, we didn't like the messenger, so we killed the message. A structural peace in the Middle East, we didn't like the messenger, so we killed the message. When are we gonna stop shooting ourselves in the foot?

   4. YPYannis Pappas1:01:18

      Yeah, I mean-

   5. NANarrator1:01:18

      And when are we gonna actually see and take the time to look past who is saying things and actually listen to them word for word?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:27

      Boom.

   7. YPYannis Pappas1:01:28

      So good.

   8. NANarrator1:01:29

      That's what's up.

   9. YPYannis Pappas1:01:29

      Well, that's why he's gonna win this election if they let him run. (sighs) He's gonna win. Well, I think the abortion thing really shot the Republicans in the foot.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       Yeah.

   11. YPYannis Pappas1:01:36

       I, I think a lot of women are not happy about that, whether they publicly say it or not.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       I think it's a gamble. It's like what percentage of people are pro and what percentage of people are against? And how many of the, like, the people that are actually gonna vote, the real hardcore-

   13. YPYannis Pappas1:01:51

       Right.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       ... you know, red till I'm dead, how many of those people are pro-life? Probably a good number.

   15. YPYannis Pappas1:01:59

       Like, the majority-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

       And the other ones are, the other ones are not gonna vote Democrat just for that issue. If you do- uh, like, I, I believe with Trump with everything, except killing babies, I'm not gonna vote for him in that. I just think you should be able to do that.

   17. YPYannis Pappas1:02:12

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:12

       Like, very few people are gonna do that. Unless you currently need one right now-

   19. YPYannis Pappas1:02:17

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:17

       ... you know? And then that might sway your judgment.

   21. YPYannis Pappas1:02:19

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

       But very few people, if, like, most of the st- the chips are stacked in this one direction but there's just one?

   23. YPYannis Pappas1:02:25

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:26

       The thing is, the, the thing about it is the control thing. The thing about it that is, is kind of crazy is being able to tell someone what they can and can't do, and to say there's no debate.

   25. YPYannis Pappas1:02:36

       Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:36

       Well, there's clearly a debate, because people have been having abortions all over the place and we're not putting them in jail. Right? So there's clearly a debate as to what that is.

   27. YPYannis Pappas1:02:44

       Yeah, and it's also that it's one of those things where it's like you're morally against it, so then if you're morally against it, then you don't do it and be morally against it. But it's one of those things that's gonna happen. It's like being morally against something doesn't change anything in the real world.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:59

       Yeah.

   29. YPYannis Pappas1:02:59

       See, like with Israel and Palestine, like a, I'm morally against it. It's like, okay, what's that gonna do?

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:03

       Right. But to an ex- to an extent.

Episode duration: 2:32:01