Joe Rogan Experience #2088 - Yannis Pappas

Yannis Pappas 0:00 (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

Narrator 0:04 The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) Yannis Papas.

Yannis Pappas 0:14 Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan 0:15 Yannis Papas.

Yannis Pappas 0:16 Yannis Papas.

Joe Rogan 0:17 How are you, my brother?

Yannis Pappas 0:17 I'm good. How you doing?

Joe Rogan 0:18 What the fuck's cracking?

Yannis Pappas 0:20 I'm doing good, man. Just enjoying Austin.

Joe Rogan 0:23 Are you enjoying our town of freedom?

Yannis Pappas 0:24 I'm enjoying the town of freedom. Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:26 This is the town of freedom.

Yannis Pappas 0:27 Yes.

Joe Rogan 0:28 There's freedom here. This is the Wild West.

Yannis Pappas 0:29 Yes. I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it. I'm eating. I went to Suerte.

Joe Rogan 0:34 Oh, that's a good spot.

Yannis Pappas 0:35 It was incredible.

Joe Rogan 0:36 Yeah, that's a good spot.

Yannis Pappas 0:37 I think it's the best Mexican I ever had.

Joe Rogan 0:39 It's very good.

Yannis Pappas 0:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:39 There's a lot of good Mexican out here.

Yannis Pappas 0:41 Yeah. But that-

Joe Rogan 0:42 That's- that's a good spot though.

Yannis Pappas 0:43 That was good. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 0:44 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 0:44 And, of course, hit the Terry B's on Martin Luther King Day, so it was empty. It was nice.

Joe Rogan 0:49 Suerte, you have the added benefit of being around people with masks. That's like a East- East Austin.

Yannis Pappas 0:55 I didn't- I haven't seen any masks.

Joe Rogan 0:57 You haven't seen any? (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 0:57 No. I think... Well, I did in Vancouver. I was in Vancouver before this.

Joe Rogan 1:01 (laughs) They wearing them.

Yannis Pappas 1:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02 They were wearing them.

Yannis Pappas 1:03 They're still going.

Joe Rogan 1:03 They never stopped.

Yannis Pappas 1:04 No, they're still going. Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05 It's wild. There's a San Francisco, um, like, town hall meeting, and they- they passed a vote to stop, uh, for a ceasefire in Palestine.

Yannis Pappas 1:15 I saw it. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16 Yeah, and so they're all masked up, and they're dancing around, and they got blue hair, and somebody made a caption that this is literally South Park.

Yannis Pappas 1:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:25 This is literally an episode of South Park.

Yannis Pappas 1:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:27 And it... They look like fucking complete maniacs left in this war-torn, shattered hull of a city.

Yannis Pappas 1:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36 Whatever's left, it's filled with human shit-

Yannis Pappas 1:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:38 ... and tents everywhere. They're dancing around like they've stopped the ceasefire in Palestine. "Yeah, we voted for it. Stop. Stopped it."

Yannis Pappas 1:47 They solved it in Oakland.

Joe Rogan 1:49 Like as if Benjamin Netanyahu's paying attention.

Yannis Pappas 1:52 Right, like that's gonna work.

Joe Rogan 1:54 He's gonna go, "Oh, I guess I'll stop now."

Yannis Pappas 1:55 Yeah. He stopped traffic on the way to the airport in New York, and that'll do it. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:58 Yeah, that does it. That generally does it.

Yannis Pappas 2:00 That's what, that's- that's what Netanyahu's waiting for. He's like, "All right, now I've- now I've- I've seen the error in my ways now."

Joe Rogan 2:07 "Now I gotta pull back."

Yannis Pappas 2:08 "Now I gotta pull back."

Joe Rogan 2:09 "I did go a little too far. Let me back up."

Yannis Pappas 2:11 "Yeah, let me back it up right now."

Joe Rogan 2:12 Dude, they're stopping traffic.

Yannis Pappas 2:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 2:13 This is serious.

Yannis Pappas 2:14 I saw in, uh, Austin, I saw three people on the overpass just holding up a free Palestine thing, and I'm going like, "All right, that did it."

Joe Rogan 2:21 I bet those people have amazing, productive lives, and they're not crazy at all.

Yannis Pappas 2:26 Yeah, not at all. No.

Joe Rogan 2:27 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 2:27 They got nothing. They got- they got a full schedule of things to do, and they took a lot of time out of their schedule-

Joe Rogan 2:32 Yes.

Yannis Pappas 2:32 ... to stand on top of the highway.

Joe Rogan 2:33 They're super healthy. They're really into mindfulness. They're- they're on the- the ball every day. They get everything done. (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 2:40 Every one of them. Every one of them has an alert for what they have to do next on their very busy schedule.

Joe Rogan 2:47 Free Palestine. I wasn't gonna.

Yannis Pappas 2:49 Those people just-

Joe Rogan 2:50 But I saw your- your banner.

Yannis Pappas 2:51 Yeah, till the banner came up. Yeah, those people are just perpetuating the situation over there. It's like, the whole, is it right or wrong thing, it's like it's obviously wrong. Humans have always been wrong when it comes to that. It's always been about power, who's got more power and who has less.

Joe Rogan 3:08 It's- it's all, it's very multilayered. That's the thing about any international conflict. You can look at the mainstream media narrative. You know, they did this, then they did that. But then, it's like Ukraine and Russia. Like, you say, "Oh my God, Russia invaded Ukraine. This is horrible." And that's most people's natural reaction to it. And then when you go, wait a minute, was there a rule? Did they make an agreement to not push arms closer to Russia? Did they consistently violate that agreement? Did they... Were they trying to move Ukraine in... I was reading about them trying to move Ukraine into NATO. Like, what- what- what- what are you- what are you, a Putin supporter?

Yannis Pappas 3:45 Right.

Joe Rogan 3:45 Are you a Putin supporter? Like, no, wait a minute. Isn't this a very multifaceted, super complex international conflict that really is about a lot of things? It's- it's not just about Russia and Ukraine. It's about NATO. It's about nuclear arms being pushed closer to a superpower. It's like...

Yannis Pappas 4:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:08 There's more to it.

Yannis Pappas 4:09 There's more to it.

Joe Rogan 4:09 There's more to all of it.

Yannis Pappas 4:10 And usually that's why war breaks out is because it's so, it's so multilayered, and then it gets to that breaking point and...

Joe Rogan 4:17 It's just wild that they could still pull off war today. War, which is essentially, like, hijacking resources or controlling parcels of land. It's weird that they could still talk people into that today 'cause it's kind of an old hustle. It's almost like old radio.

Yannis Pappas 4:31 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 4:32 Like... (laughs) You know? It's such an old hustle that you can get people to believe, "These people hate you for your freedom," or whatever it is, and then you go over there. "Oh, let's fucking shut it all up and go kick their ass."

Yannis Pappas 4:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 4:44 It's kind of amazing, given what we know about the true nature of conflicts and how so many things are manipulated behind the scenes to force people into actual physical conflict, and then there's generals that sit in air conditioned offices and they move their pieces around the board like chess pieces.

Yannis Pappas 5:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:06 Human lives.

Yannis Pappas 5:07 Yeah. Yeah, and they don't fight. They're never in the front.

Joe Rogan 5:10 Never.

Yannis Pappas 5:11 I don't even think Alexander the Great was in the front. I don't buy it.

Joe Rogan 5:15 Well, he didn't live long. You know that-

Yannis Pappas 5:16 He didn't live a great...

Joe Rogan 5:17 Alexander the Great, he died at like, he's like 40.

Yannis Pappas 5:19 Yeah, didn't they die young back then?

Joe Rogan 5:20 Oh, yeah.

Yannis Pappas 5:21 And he died of, like, some sickness. He didn't die from, like, a battle wound.

Joe Rogan 5:25 I think probably all died of sickness.

Yannis Pappas 5:27 Can you, but can you survive if you're in the front back then? Or was it like a human-

Joe Rogan 5:31 No.

Yannis Pappas 5:31 ... meat factory?

Joe Rogan 5:31 No, you're not gonna survive.

Yannis Pappas 5:32 He was in the back.

Joe Rogan 5:33 Most likely, you're not gonna survive. I- I feel like back then, like, sickness probably really kicked in when we started gathering together and throwing our shit out the window. Our actual shit. Like, human shit. Like, if you think about the s- the cities of ancient times before there was plumbing.... do you know how horrific-

Yannis Pappas 5:53 Oh, history-

Joe Rogan 5:53 ... that most of it. We-

Yannis Pappas 5:54 ... history smelled, yeah.

Joe Rogan 5:55 We don't remember.

Yannis Pappas 5:57 No.

Joe Rogan 5:57 We weren't there. We assume. Every place is like Target.

Yannis Pappas 6:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:01 We assume every place is like a, a, you know, a fucking rest stop on the highway you can go in and take a shit. No.

Yannis Pappas 6:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 6:08 No. People were shitting out windows. They were throwing their shit in buckets.

Narrator 6:12 According to Wikipedia, he was a very productive, uh, 20-year-old, 20-something.

Joe Rogan 6:18 He was 20?

Narrator 6:19 When he took over as king.

Joe Rogan 6:21 (sniffs) Whoa.

Yannis Pappas 6:22 Yeah, he conquered the world. He was in his early 20s.

Joe Rogan 6:24 What a gangster. Look at this. By the age of 20, okay, he succeeded his father, Philip II, to the throne in 3- 336 BC at the age of 20 and spent most of his ruling years conducting a lengthy military campaign through Western Asia and Egypt. By the time- by the age of 30, he had created one of the largest empires in history, holy shit, stretching from Greece to Northwestern India. He was undefeated in battle and widely considered one of history's greatest and most successful military commanders. And wasn't he also gay?

Narrator 6:57 Well, then there's the-

Yannis Pappas 6:58 He was bi.

Joe Rogan 6:58 Was he bi?

Yannis Pappas 6:59 That was the way back then, yeah.

Narrator 7:00 He was a s-

Joe Rogan 7:01 Is that what he was?

Yannis Pappas 7:02 Yeah.

Narrator 7:03 ... student of Aristotle, and there was... We read that question-

Joe Rogan 7:06 Wow.

Narrator 7:07 ... about those relationships.

Joe Rogan 7:08 Tutored by, yeah, those questions, those relationships were uncomfortable. (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 7:14 (laughs)

Narrator 7:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:14 Those guys all fucked those kids.

Yannis Pappas 7:15 They had, they had eunuchs.

Joe Rogan 7:18 There was those. Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 7:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:19 They had eunuchs, and then they just had young boys.

Yannis Pappas 7:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:21 What did it say about the Aristotle thing, though?

Yannis Pappas 7:23 Oh, sorry. I don't-

Joe Rogan 7:23 Can you go back to that quote, where it was?

Yannis Pappas 7:25 Yeah, I accidentally clicked something and now-

Joe Rogan 7:25 Oh, it's okay.

Yannis Pappas 7:25 ... it didn't want me to go to the bottom of the page.

Joe Rogan 7:27 What a huge page. That guy did a lot of shit. Uh, it says by the age of 16, until the age of 16 rather, Alexander was tutored. By 16, he was too old. Aristotle was like, "Get outta here, you old fuck."

Yannis Pappas 7:37 Yeah. Yeah.

Narrator 7:37 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:37 "Bring me a young boy." Um, in three, three-third, uh, 335 BC, shortly after his assumption of kingship over Macedon, he campaigned in the Balkans and reasserted control over the, how do you say that? Thrace?

Yannis Pappas 7:49 Thrace, yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:50 Thrace and parts of Illyria?

Yannis Pappas 7:53 Illyria.

Joe Rogan 7:54 Illyria, Illyria. You should be saying this.

Yannis Pappas 7:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 7:56 This is your native tongue. This is basically... I went to Greece this summer.

Yannis Pappas 8:00 How'd you like it?

Joe Rogan 8:00 Amazing.

Yannis Pappas 8:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:01 Your people did some wild shit, dude.

Yannis Pappas 8:03 Yeah, we did.

Joe Rogan 8:04 Your people did some wild shit.

Yannis Pappas 8:06 We did. I-

Joe Rogan 8:07 When you're in a place where-

Yannis Pappas 8:07 Like Doug Stanhope said, "I didn't do anything."

Joe Rogan 8:09 Right.

Yannis Pappas 8:10 I was on the couch." Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:10 Your people, I'm saying your people, your team.

Yannis Pappas 8:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 8:12 You know, if the Lakers win, you didn't throw a ball.

Yannis Pappas 8:14 My tribe.

Joe Rogan 8:15 We won, you know?

Yannis Pappas 8:16 Yeah. The only thing we didn't do is create an empire because we were too busy infighting, which is a lit- which is typically Greek.

Joe Rogan 8:22 Well, you know, you can't do everything.

Yannis Pappas 8:25 Can't do everything.

Joe Rogan 8:26 Did a lot more than a lot of other cultures 2,500 years ago.

Yannis Pappas 8:29 We did a lot with mathematics, philosophy.

Joe Rogan 8:32 Democracy.

Yannis Pappas 8:32 Democracy.

Joe Rogan 8:33 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 8:34 We did a lot.

Joe Rogan 8:35 Yeah, a lot with drugs too.

Yannis Pappas 8:36 Lot with drugs, lot with, uh, pedophilia.

Joe Rogan 8:38 Have you, um, ever read that book, um, The Immortality Key?

Yannis Pappas 8:43 No.

Joe Rogan 8:43 I- it's about the Eleusinian Mysteries. It's this guy, Brian Muraresku. And, uh, Brian's been a guest on the podcast before, and he's a scholar who is like a straight-laced guy. He's never, doesn't do drugs, nothing. And he, through all of his course of study, they were trying to figure out like what they were doing in these Eleusinian Mysteries. Like, why were people going from all over the world to have these experiences? What were these experiences? So, they recently discovered that inside these pottery vessels that they used to contain wine and beer in, they found ergot. And ergot is a very potent psychedelic. It's, uh, it's like a fungus. It's, uh, I think it's akin to LSD. And so, they're very, at the very least, we're taking that in this one spot. And what they believe is that all of these like transcendent experiences they had, these Eleusinian Mysteries, they get together and figure out how to solve the world and let people vote, all, all that wacky... That's all, I'm tripping balls. This is my idea, shit. And it's literally the birthplace of democracy. It's literally how the world changed for the better. And your people were doing it 2,500 years ago. And you can walk in the same spots where they walked. You can see the buildings that they built. It's weird. It's weird when shit is that old.

Yannis Pappas 10:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:04 And you can just walk on it.

Yannis Pappas 10:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:05 Like the Parthenon, you just walk around.

Yannis Pappas 10:07 Yeah. And you can, uh, you, you can marvel at how, uh, durable what they built is.

Joe Rogan 10:12 Yes.

Yannis Pappas 10:13 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:13 2000 years is so long.

Yannis Pappas 10:16 There'll be no, yeah, in 2000 years from now, you're not gonna see any strip malls still standing.

Joe Rogan 10:20 No.

Yannis Pappas 10:20 They'll be like shit.

Joe Rogan 10:21 They'll, they'll literally be dust.

Yannis Pappas 10:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:22 They'll be dust.

Yannis Pappas 10:24 They built things really well back then. I- I think 100-

Joe Rogan 10:27 Great effort too.

Yannis Pappas 10:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:28 To do that, like the kind of precision that's involved in the, in the Parthenon, when you're walking around it and you see how all the stone is cut and how it lines up and how massive the columns are and how beautifully symmetric it is. It's so smooth and clean. And these people didn't have engines.

Yannis Pappas 10:49 No, it's crazy.

Joe Rogan 10:50 There was no engine. This was all done by hand.

Yannis Pappas 10:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:54 It was all dink, dink, dink.

Yannis Pappas 10:57 Slavery, yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:58 Dink, dink, dink. Oh, craftsmanship.

Yannis Pappas 11:00 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:00 I mean, you couldn't, you weren't just getting the crudest of people, you're getting artisans.

Yannis Pappas 11:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:04 Who probably worked against your will.

Yannis Pappas 11:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 11:06 But, you know.

Yannis Pappas 11:06 To move those big rocks and stuff, yeah. It's not fun, no.

Joe Rogan 11:08 100%. Who the fuck knows how they did that? What the hell were they doing back then? They did some wild shit back then. When we think about like human ingenuity, go, God, we're missing so much of like, they didn't leave like, here's a book on how we did it. This is where we got the rocks. This is how we cut them. You know, this is the best way to move them. We should move them this way. They'll fall on you and you'll kill a few guys. You know, (laughs) this is what we figured out over time.

Yannis Pappas 11:34 Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy to think about. And I agree with you. I think it was drugs that opened people's minds up to like think about things.

Joe Rogan 11:42 Yeah, it gave them a completely different perspective. Like Carl Sagan once said that about marijuana. Uh, I'm paraphrasing him, but essentially he was saying that it offers you a perspective that's not available without the drug.

Yannis Pappas 11:56 Yeah.... that's why I think mushrooms are getting popular for depression, right? It sort of takes you off those grooves-

Joe Rogan 12:02 Mm-hmm.

Yannis Pappas 12:02 ... that are created by the neuro connections-

Joe Rogan 12:04 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 12:05 ... and just gives you a new perspective.

Joe Rogan 12:06 I wonder how much... I mean, there's certainly different kinds of depression. There's depression that's, uh, clearly there's something wrong chemically with some people. But how much of it is just from not being healthy? How much of not being healthy with your body and not being healthy with where your life is going, like where your j- what kind of job you have, what you wanna do with your life?

Yannis Pappas 12:29 That's gotta be some of it. And then-

Joe Rogan 12:30 The friendships you have. What if you have a moment when all your friends suck?

Yannis Pappas 12:33 Yeah, that's gotta be a big part of it. And I think trauma, I think childhood trauma.

Joe Rogan 12:37 Mm-hmm.

Yannis Pappas 12:37 I think, uh, childhood trauma kinda can, uh, can make you depressed.

Joe Rogan 12:42 Yeah, for sure.

Yannis Pappas 12:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:43 For sure.

Yannis Pappas 12:44 I think that they-

Joe Rogan 12:44 Especially abuse.

Yannis Pappas 12:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:46 Abuse seems like the one that people have the hardest time shaking is 'cause it's n- not that, they weren't even, th- it wasn't even that they were ignored, it's that someone preyed on them.

Yannis Pappas 12:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:56 And they gave, they have no self-worth, they're beaten.

Yannis Pappas 12:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 12:59 They have no self-worth.

Yannis Pappas 13:00 And they know that, uh, the younger the abuse or the neglect happened, the more of an imprint it li-

Joe Rogan 13:08 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 13:08 ... it leaves, 'cause your brain is forming, and...

Joe Rogan 13:10 It's fascinating stuff, man.

Yannis Pappas 13:12 Yeah. But we have neuroplasticity, and you can-

Joe Rogan 13:14 Mm-hmm.

Yannis Pappas 13:14 ... go th- to therapy, and EDMR is something I'm doing, and it's incredible. It's the only thing I've ever done that sort of works.

Joe Rogan 13:22 What is that?

Yannis Pappas 13:23 EDMR, uh, was invented by Francine Shapiro, like, in the '80s accidentally. She's a psychologist, and now it's become sort of the, uh, gold standard for trauma treatment and PTSD in, like, vet hospitals and stuff. And what it is, is it's, um, uh, eye, uh, ED, uh, it's, uh, eye movement desensita- uh, desensitata- tization and reprocessing. And so they move your eyes.

Joe Rogan 13:49 So, it involves moving your eyes in a very specific way while you process traumatic memories?

Yannis Pappas 13:54 Yeah. I'm doing it now.

Joe Rogan 13:57 Whoa!

Yannis Pappas 13:57 It's crazy.

Joe Rogan 13:57 Oh my God, you're hacking your brain.

Yannis Pappas 13:59 You hack your brain, and you get into-

Joe Rogan 14:00 Wow.

Yannis Pappas 14:00 ... your subconscious, like, your REM sleep, uh, state, and then you reprocess the memories. And when you're there, you start having vivid memories, and then when you're done, memories start flying in outta nowhere.

Joe Rogan 14:12 Whoa.

Yannis Pappas 14:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 14:13 How did you find out about this? This is wild.

Yannis Pappas 14:15 It was sorta, it was interesting. I was in LA, right? So I, um, you know, I have early childhood trauma, and then I've had some traumatic things happen to me later in life, and then the panic attacks started after I got shot when I was in my early 20s. I didn't know what they were back then. Like, I just didn't know what they were, so I'd just be having these panic attacks on the train just going like, "What is happening to me?" So, I've been dealing with it for, like, 20 years. And it would go away for periods, I'd have great periods, and then it would come back. And, and, um, after I had kids, I think I called you. I did, I spoke to you once, and you were very helpful. But after I had kids, it sorta triggered, um, a lot of these feelings that would come up outta nowhere. And sadness, I'd be looking at my kids, and I'd get sad. I'd be playing with them, I'd get sad, and I didn't understand it. And then I'd be in a hotel room in, uh, on the road, and I'd just start, like, panicking, and I'd be like, "What is this?" And so I was talking to my friend, uh, Tracee Carnazzo, um, she's w- she's a comic in New York. She's funny, and she's one of these Italian girls who's just got a guy for everything. She's just, you ask her anything, she's like, "I g- I know somebody." So she asked, she was like, "How are you?" And I just answered honestly. I was like, "Ah, I'm d- uh," I d- and I'd give like a paragraph. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 15:30 (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 15:30 And she was sound- she was like, "It sounds like you didn't feel safe as a kid." She was like, uh, "Let me get you in touch with this person who I'm friends with who does EDMR." And then I got in touch with this therapist, and she's incredible. And, um, I started the EDMR journey, and it's been... It's the only thing I've done. And EDMR has a beginning, middle, and end. It's not like, you know, it d- it does, it's not like ad infinitum, it just goes on forever. It's like you're there to reprocess this trauma.

Joe Rogan 15:55 And so do you do it at a specific place?

Yannis Pappas 15:57 I do it, I do it Zoom. I love to Zoom.

Joe Rogan 15:59 You Zoom?

Yannis Pappas 16:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:00 So you Zoom with someone who guides you through it?

Yannis Pappas 16:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 16:02 Is that how it works?

Yannis Pappas 16:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:04 And you do it how often?

Yannis Pappas 16:05 I'm doing it now twice a week. But you can do it once a week.

Joe Rogan 16:08 And how long is each session?

Yannis Pappas 16:09 An hour. S- she'll go longer sometimes though.

Joe Rogan 16:12 Wild.

Yannis Pappas 16:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:13 So, what did, d- what do you f- do you feel, like, the chemicals moving around in your brain while you're doing this? Like-

Yannis Pappas 16:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:20 Huh?

Yannis Pappas 16:20 Yeah, you do. And i- that's a big part of it is identifying the, um, the trauma in the body and how it affects the body. There's a book called, um, uh, The Body Keeps the Score, by, I think his name is Bessel. He's a psychiatrist, and he's, he's responsible for all these trauma centers all over the country, and-

Joe Rogan 16:39 So this, this guy is doing it to this lady right now.

Yannis Pappas 16:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 16:41 He's going back and forth with his fingers, and she's following his fingers. And so is she supposed to be thinking about traumatic memories?

Yannis Pappas 16:47 So then he'll bring up, he'll take her back through the... The fir- the first, uh, phase is, like, identifying the trauma, so it's a lot of talk therapy. So you kinda, you know, talk a lot, talk a lot, talk a lot, and then the therapist gets the idea of what you need to go back and reprocess.

Joe Rogan 17:02 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 17:02 And new things will come up when you go back, and, and, um, and then you'll reprocess it. It's not just hands. You can do, uh, you can follow a ball, you can hold, uh, buzzers in each hand. It's about stimulating both sides of your brain.

Joe Rogan 17:15 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 17:15 What's happening in mental health now is so fascinating because w- when you parallel it with, like, what happened in medicine, right? Like, we used to treat the symptom, right? So if someone had a fever, they treated the fever, but they didn't know what the cause was. So they'd put you in cold water or boiling water, whatever they did, and then they found out about viruses and bacteria, so they started treating the cause. Now, in mental health, you're, you're starting to see that revolution because of, um, you know, the advances in neuroscience where they can look at the brain and they can actually see, you know, what parts are responsible for what, where trauma, uh, shows up in the brain. They just did ano- uh, a recent study, it was a big study, about how trauma is, doesn't... Traumatic memories don't come back as memories. They come back, uh, they light up in the part of your brain as if it's happening now, which makes sense. We knew that because, you know, when Vietnam vets start bugging out and they're in the supermarket or whatever. But it, they can actually see it now in the brain that the, the brain is processing it as it's happening now. So, um, you know, converging...... neuroscience and s- psychology and all the things that they've known from all these different advances. And it- it- it seems to be in a place now where trauma is becoming one of the things that they focus on the most, like early childhood trauma or traumatic events. Uh, in war, obviously, we know that that's, you know, a big... That's the- the specific cause of what is bothering those people, you know, is what they've experienced. And so now, they're targeting the trauma, but they have ways to treat the trauma with EDMR, with brainspotting it's called. Um, you know, a whole bunch of these, um, tactics.

Joe Rogan 18:57 That's really fascinating.

Yannis Pappas 18:58 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 18:58 It's really fascinating when you think... Like, I had this guy on the podcast yesterday, uh, Joe Pyfer. He's a MMA fighter for the UFC, and he had a terrible childhood, terrible, fucking horrible beatings, just constant beating. It's just like heartbreaking to hear the story. But you gotta... It's just fascinating, like as a human being, like whoever you are, whether you're listening to this right now, you are the accumulation of your processing of every experience you've ever had. As much as we like to claim autonomy and we think on our own, and we kinda do. And there's de- Like again, there's definitely chemical problems. There's definitely people that just have a genetic defect, something. Just like some people have diseases of all sorts of other parts of their body, they get diseases of the brain. That's fucking for real, 100%. But you're basically just an end product of experiences and your interpretation of those experiences, and the len- leg- the lessons and the- the way you've contextualized all those experiences, and they're all in your head, and that's your map of the world. That's your map of the world. So if you're in San Francisco, the, "Yay, we freed Palestine," like their map of the world is fucked. Like their experiences, like what- what's got them to 2024, January 18th, whatever it is, is... This result sucks. Like this result sucks. (laughs) Like this is terrible. Like you guys are out of your fucking mind. You're wasting your time. There's needles on your street.

Yannis Pappas 20:26 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:27 You guys are out of your fucking mind. What did you... What do you do? This- this result sucks. But those people are... They could've been in fucking Wyoming as like hardworking ranchers, the same human. Could have been like, uh, a salt of the earth, fucking Kevin Costner, Yellowstone-looking motherfucker. It could've been the same... It's just your experiences.

Yannis Pappas 20:46 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:46 It's just what do you... What shapes you? What directions do you go in? What... When do you get pushed down? When do you get lifted up? Who gives you a hug? Who pushes you away?

Yannis Pappas 20:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:55 And how does this, how does this play out?

Yannis Pappas 20:57 Yeah, I don't think a lot of people know themselves because you gotta do all this work to know yourself because your brain protects you in so many ways that-

Joe Rogan 21:05 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 21:05 ... you're unaware of. Like, um-

Joe Rogan 21:07 Your brain will fuck you up.

Yannis Pappas 21:07 They know in neuroscience, like your brain usually, when it's healthy, works in concert and sends information to different parts of your brain to process it. But when you have trauma or a chemical problem or whatever it is, it doesn't work well. And in traumatic, uh, experiences, your l- your- your neocortex shuts off and your limbic turns on, and that's a... There's a survival reason for that, right? So if you're in a moment of fight or flight, you don't wanna start reasoning.

Joe Rogan 21:37 Right.

Yannis Pappas 21:37 You don't wanna go like, you start philosophizing. You're just emotional. You're dealing with your survival reptile brain, and so it actually shuts off. So people who have like panic and anxiety, it's hard to reason your way out of it because that part of your brain is shut down.

Joe Rogan 21:52 Now, imagine you have panic and anxiety already, and you're already experiencing depression, and then they prescribe to you medication. And one of the side effects of that medication is suicide, suicidal ideation.

Yannis Pappas 22:07 Suicidal ideations, yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:07 Yeah. That's... Imagine being that person and forced with that choice. Like, this may help you, or you might just...

Yannis Pappas 22:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:19 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 22:20 Well, medication, yeah, it just-

Joe Rogan 22:22 That's a wild one, man.

Yannis Pappas 22:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:24 Because-

Yannis Pappas 22:24 Medication is-

Joe Rogan 22:24 ... it can help you.

Yannis Pappas 22:25 It can help you.

Joe Rogan 22:26 But it can a- You could also...

Yannis Pappas 22:27 It can hurt you.

Joe Rogan 22:28 You could go sliding down a hill, and there's no trees to grab.

Yannis Pappas 22:31 But every study they do still till now, medication is not the end all cure.

Joe Rogan 22:37 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 22:37 Like it just doesn't... It can numb it. It can help you. It's definitely good if you're in like a jam, like if you're really in a bad spot, it can... But when you do the medication, that's when you gotta start doing the work. You can't just do the medication-

Joe Rogan 22:51 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 22:51 ... as an end to fix it.

Joe Rogan 22:53 But the medication is interfering with the natural system. You know what I think? I think it's gonna be in the future, medication is gonna be like, for mental illness, it's gonna be like leeches. Like, "Oh, they used to use leeches. They didn't know any better. Oh, they should just put medicine into people. We should give them chemicals." "Oh, they didn't fix the brain?" "No, they just did chemicals."

Yannis Pappas 23:11 Right.

Joe Rogan 23:12 "Why didn't they do the rewiring?" "Oh, they hadn't figured it out yet."

Yannis Pappas 23:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:15 But that, that... The- the fucked up thing is that trauma that you experienced as a child or those bad... Well, the trauma is a- a very overused word, 'cause some people experience real trauma. So let me say this, the- the negative experiences that you've had, both as a- an adult and as a child, those also made you who you are if you're happy with the result. Like if you're happy with how you're living, you're happy with what you're doing, those things were important to go through, unfortunately.

Yannis Pappas 23:45 Well, there's nothing-

Joe Rogan 23:46 It's just-

Yannis Pappas 23:46 ... you could do about them. It happened.

Joe Rogan 23:47 Right.

Yannis Pappas 23:47 You gotta make the best out of them. And a lot, you know, a lot of people do make the best out of them and turn them into something.

Joe Rogan 23:53 A lot of people do.

Yannis Pappas 23:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 23:54 It is possible.

Yannis Pappas 23:55 And trauma is not necessarily the thing that happened to you, it's how you react to the thing that happened to you, I think.

Joe Rogan 24:00 Hmm.

Yannis Pappas 24:00 And everyone's different. Everyone has a different level of sensitivity and-

Joe Rogan 24:03 Right.

Yannis Pappas 24:04 ... circumstance and genetic code. And-

Joe Rogan 24:06 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 24:06 So I can't really judge anyone's trauma, you know?

Joe Rogan 24:09 It's so... You- you could never know how another person feels.

Yannis Pappas 24:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 24:12 You just can't know. You just can't know, unless you're on TikTok.

Yannis Pappas 24:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 24:17 Then you can know.

Yannis Pappas 24:18 ... but yeah, I mean, if the human race has a chance, I think people need to start looking inward. Why am I really doing what I'm doing? Who am, who am I really? Wh- what is this really about?

Joe Rogan 24:28 Also, this is so temporary. We're treating it like it's permanent.

Yannis Pappas 24:31 It's so temporary.

Joe Rogan 24:32 We're, we're treating, you're, you're treating your, your own life like it's permanent, and it's so temporary.

Yannis Pappas 24:37 I've noticed a lot of successful friends I have, and a lot of successful people, are so scared to just be happy because I think there's, like, this deep fear of losing it.

Joe Rogan 24:45 Yeah. That's real.

Yannis Pappas 24:46 That's like... So, it's like if I stay miserable, I don't gotta focus on the fear of losing it-

Joe Rogan 24:51 Yeah, that's real.

Yannis Pappas 24:51 ... because we all lose it at the end.

Joe Rogan 24:53 It's that, and it's also you f- you have a f- a real fear of not being able to keep doing what you do. Like, whatever it is that you've done that's successful, you just lose the magic. You lose the thing. What is it? "Now I suck." You know, like, whatever it is. "Now I'm not interested. Now I'm not interesting. Now I can't talk. Now, now I can't do this anymore. I can't do that anymore. Nobody likes my music. You know, my movies suck." Like, yeah, that fear, it's crippling.

Yannis Pappas 25:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:18 It's crippling fear.

Yannis Pappas 25:19 Well-

Joe Rogan 25:20 It's such a crazy fear.

Yannis Pappas 25:21 (laughs) Yeah, it's a, it's funny the way things are set up here. (laughs) It's just funny. It's like, "Hey, enjoy yourself. Accumulate all this stuff," and then, but you have to have this, you have this knowledge, 'cause we have these big brains of like, "I, you lose it all. It's all going away."

Joe Rogan 25:34 It's all gone.

Yannis Pappas 25:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 25:35 Sinatra said that about everything he has. You know, like, they were, they were t- giving him a hard time for giving away so much money and giving people things.

Yannis Pappas 25:41 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 25:41 And he's like, "There's... I'm, this is not mine. I'm renting this."

Yannis Pappas 25:45 Yeah, and it's, you know-

Joe Rogan 25:46 "It's gonna be gone."

Yannis Pappas 25:46 ... com- funny m- ma- uh, comedy makes it o- everything okay.

Joe Rogan 25:50 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 25:50 That's why I think it makes-

Joe Rogan 25:52 More fun.

Yannis Pappas 25:53 It makes everything okay. It just, it, it conquers everything.

Joe Rogan 25:56 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 25:56 It just, it means you're... When you have a good sense of humor and when you're laughing in the right way, not just cackling by yourself in a room, but it just means you're mentally healthy. It's a sign of mental health and strength when you can laugh at horrible things. Y- that's the way you conquer them.

Joe Rogan 26:10 Yeah. It's also a sign that you're recognizing nuance when you're playing with it.

Yannis Pappas 26:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:14 Like, it doesn't mean that you really think that this tragedy is great.

Yannis Pappas 26:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:18 You just find something horrible to say that's hilarious-

Yannis Pappas 26:21 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:21 ... about the tragedy. And sometimes, you can only do that with your friends. You only do that at a deli. (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 26:26 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 26:28 You know, you can only do that (laughs) . You can only do that having dinner at 1:00 o'clock in the morning, just talking shit-

Yannis Pappas 26:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:32 ... and making each other laugh.

Yannis Pappas 26:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:34 That, but that's also a thing that w- I think we have really, that we're really lucky about. That's our big gift. Our big d- gift is each other. Like, as comedians, you know, I s- I spend time with a lot of different people and a lot of, you know, d- d- different occupations, and I always can't wait to get back to comedians. I always k- can't wait to get back to the green room at the Mothership, can't, can't wait to, uh, d- do sets on the road. It's just, the conversations are so much more fun.

Yannis Pappas 27:00 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:01 They're so fun.

Yannis Pappas 27:02 You, yeah, you can say anything and-

Joe Rogan 27:04 And it's just fun.

Yannis Pappas 27:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:05 Everyone's just being funny and smiling and, and realizing, wow, we're so lucky. We used to be open mic night comedians, and, and now here we are about to go do a sold-out show. We're having dinner together at a restaurant and laughing, and then you go have fun. Yay!

Yannis Pappas 27:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 27:18 And then the people have fun. Yay!

Yannis Pappas 27:20 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:21 It's beautiful.

Yannis Pappas 27:22 It's the ultimate connection.

Joe Rogan 27:23 And the amount of love that you get back and forth, like the amount of love a comic gets, the amount of love they give, the, the, the, the positive energy b- uh, both fore and back. That's like... Very few people get to experience that in life.

Yannis Pappas 27:37 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:38 You know?

Yannis Pappas 27:38 And it's the only place that comedians can get it-

Joe Rogan 27:41 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 27:41 ... is from other comedians-

Joe Rogan 27:42 Yes.

Yannis Pappas 27:42 ... because we're jaded and-

Joe Rogan 27:44 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 27:44 ... you can't, it's, uh, harder for-

Joe Rogan 27:45 Also, we kn- uh, we can speak so freely.

Yannis Pappas 27:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 27:48 You know? You can, you can go, "There's this fucking bit. It's just dead. I s- I, it's got f- a thing, and it goes somewhere, and then it drops off. And I don't know what the fuck to do with it. I've been trying to monkey around with different ways to say it and f- switch..." And they're like, "Hmm." And then everybody will sit around and analyze it, and we'll, like, analyze each other's bits. And like, "You know, you don't have to say that part. Everybody already knows that. If you cut that out, it's shorter." "You're right. Why did I say that part?" And then, you know, everybody just starts tinkering with stuff, and you can just, like, o- openly tinker-

Yannis Pappas 28:17 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:17 ... with, like, phrases and ideas and setups and-

Yannis Pappas 28:20 Yeah. It's like a, it's like-

Joe Rogan 28:22 So much fun.

Yannis Pappas 28:23 It's like architects sitting with-

Joe Rogan 28:26 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 28:26 ... their contractors, figuring it out.

Joe Rogan 28:29 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 28:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:30 If you got a good relationship with the contractor-

Yannis Pappas 28:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:32 ... I would imagine the architects and the contractors squabble a lot.

Yannis Pappas 28:34 They do. I'm going through that right now.

Joe Rogan 28:36 Are you?

Yannis Pappas 28:36 We're putting an addition on our house-

Joe Rogan 28:37 Oh, no.

Yannis Pappas 28:38 ... and yeah, they squabble. And I'm like, "Who do I trust, the architect or the contractor?" (laughs)

Joe Rogan 28:41 Oh, no. It's a power struggle for Yiannis Pappas love.

Yannis Pappas 28:45 You get in the middle... And it's funny 'cause you d- I don't know anything, so you just got... You're at the mercy. You're just so vulnerable.

Joe Rogan 28:52 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 28:53 I don't know anything about what they're talking about, and I'm like, just trying to look in their eyes and figure out which one's more honest, and I have no clue. It's just a guess.

Joe Rogan 29:00 Ugh.

Yannis Pappas 29:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:02 That was someone who was telling me that about the World Trade Center. They were saying, you know, the World Trade Center was designed to be hit by a jet plane. And I don't know if they're right, but what they were saying is, "Do you know how much corruption there is in construction?"

Yannis Pappas 29:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:16 And I was like, "No, how much?" They go, "Oh, say if it's supposed to get five bolts. If you only use four, do you know how much money you save over a whole building? If you make the steel that thick instead of that thick (laughs) , do you know how much money you save? If it calls for, like, half inch this but you use quarter inch that, you know how much money you save?"

Yannis Pappas 29:36 You gotta pay off the inspectors and all that, I guess.

Joe Rogan 29:38 I guess.

Yannis Pappas 29:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:40 Are they really inspecting everything?

Yannis Pappas 29:42 Uh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 29:42 How does that work?

Yannis Pappas 29:43 You just-

Joe Rogan 29:44 Uh-

Yannis Pappas 29:44 ... yeah, you cross your fingers.

Joe Rogan 29:45 I don't know if that's the case. But, um, my point was always like, how the fuck do you know what's gonna happen to a building until a plane slams into it and you get to watch?

Yannis Pappas 29:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 29:57 'Cause there's never been a skyscraper that got hit by a plane before.

Yannis Pappas 30:00 Which makes it interesting-

Joe Rogan 30:02 You can't say, "This is not how it should've happened."

Yannis Pappas 30:04 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:04 Like, we have zero idea-

Yannis Pappas 30:06 Well, the-

Joe Rogan 30:06 ... what it looks like, other than 9/11, when j-

Yannis Pappas 30:09 When a plane s-

Joe Rogan 30:09 ... jets slam into skyscrapers.

Yannis Pappas 30:10 A plane hit the, uh, Empire State Building, big one.

Joe Rogan 30:15 When was that?

Yannis Pappas 30:16 The 40...

Joe Rogan 30:18 Was it a propeller plane?

Yannis Pappas 30:19 No, it was a big plane.

Joe Rogan 30:20 Like a jet?

Yannis Pappas 30:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:21 Really?

Yannis Pappas 30:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:23 How bad did it fuck it up?

Yannis Pappas 30:24 It slammed right into it.

Joe Rogan 30:26 ... didn't do shit to it? Yeah.

Narrator 30:26 B-25, nine, in 1945.

Joe Rogan 30:28 Can you j-... Wow, that's crazy.

Narrator 30:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:31 Yeah.

Narrator 30:32 Uh, it's a... It's a listen to wish pictures, I guess, would be fair.

Joe Rogan 30:34 Whoa. Wish pictures?

Yannis Pappas 30:35 And the buildings fell not because of the plane hitting it.

Joe Rogan 30:37 Oh, shit.

Yannis Pappas 30:38 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 30:39 Yeah. So that's a big ass old school plane.

Yannis Pappas 30:41 Yeah. Hit-

Joe Rogan 30:42 Yeah, so it's a propeller plane. Wow. Where did it hit?

Yannis Pappas 30:49 Bang, right there.

Joe Rogan 30:51 Wow.

Narrator 30:51 79th floor.

Joe Rogan 30:53 And it didn't take it out?

Yannis Pappas 30:54 No. They're built not to.

Joe Rogan 30:56 Is that commensurate though? Like, how did it hit? Did it hit just the wing? Was the guy trying to pull out?

Yannis Pappas 31:02 No, he... (imitates explosion)

Joe Rogan 31:02 But look at that. Look.

Narrator 31:03 Definitely no jet fuel in there.

Joe Rogan 31:05 What's that? No, no jet fuel.

Narrator 31:06 No jet fuel.

Yannis Pappas 31:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:07 No jet fuel.

Yannis Pappas 31:07 'Cause the jet fue- the heat from the jet fuel's what took down the Trade Center, not the plane impact.

Narrator 31:12 So they say.

Joe Rogan 31:13 So they say.

Narrator 31:14 So they say, but I mean-

Joe Rogan 31:15 So they say.

Yannis Pappas 31:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:16 But you know where they are, right?

Yannis Pappas 31:18 I mean, well, th- you know, they did-

Joe Rogan 31:19 I don't know where they are. I was- I was just hoping I could just sneak that in, so they'll tell me.

Narrator 31:22 I wanted to get into that real soon with some, like-

Yannis Pappas 31:24 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 31:24 Alex will tell you.

Narrator 31:25 Who is that? Depending on what you're talking about, who is that?

Joe Rogan 31:26 Let's go to dinner with Alex. Let's go to dinner with Alex. He's been freaking me out lately.

Yannis Pappas 31:30 The 9/11 is, it's, it's interesting to me. People ruin it by coming up with what they think happened instead of just l- stopping at, "Hey, it's fishy." It's a little weird, just stopping there.

Joe Rogan 31:42 Well-

Yannis Pappas 31:42 'Cause you can't know, you can't know what cons- what the actual conspiracy was, but there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense on 9/11.

Joe Rogan 31:51 Well, whenever you run into a situation where there's a, a gigantic worldwide disastrous event, like, that's a, that's, uh, an event that the whole world knew about, but you lie about some aspects of it, like one of the things was, what if the United States get caught lying about Saudi Arabia, about their involvement early on with, with funding?

Yannis Pappas 32:15 Yeah, they ignored it.

Joe Rogan 32:16 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 32:16 I mean, the bin Laden pow- uh, family was flown out before.

Joe Rogan 32:19 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 32:19 Weird stuff, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Weird stuff.

Yannis Pappas 32:20 Weird stuff.

Joe Rogan 32:21 Weird stuff. It's like, what if I wanted to do that? Would you be mad?

Yannis Pappas 32:24 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:24 (laughs) What if, what if I had some fucking dudes from Afghanistan staying in my house, and right after some shit went down, I illegally flew them out of the country? They're, they're co-... Listen, it's cool.

Yannis Pappas 32:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:34 It's cool. That sounds like what a criminal would do.

Yannis Pappas 32:36 That's right. (laughs) That's right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:38 (laughs) It sounds like what a criminal would do.

Yannis Pappas 32:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:39 Look, if I, if I was running cocaine with the Colombians, and, uh, right before the FBI came, I fucking shot some planes illegally filled with coke back to Colombia, I'd be like, "Listen, no, next time. Don't worry about it."

Yannis Pappas 32:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:53 "It's all good. It's good, it's good." But you, you're not allowed to fly right now. It's all right, it's o- it's okay.

Yannis Pappas 32:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:57 It's okay. It's just...

Yannis Pappas 32:59 Yeah, it's criminal. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:00 It's just criminal enterprise.

Yannis Pappas 33:01 Yeah. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:02 It's okay, it's okay. We could, we're just gonna fly. We're not gonna tell you.

Yannis Pappas 33:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:05 We're gonna take the family of the dude who set this up, and we're gonna just fly.

Yannis Pappas 33:09 We're gonna get them all out.

Joe Rogan 33:10 And shut the fuck up.

Yannis Pappas 33:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:11 Shut the fuck up.

Yannis Pappas 33:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:12 Hey, well shouldn't we keep them here and investigate?

Yannis Pappas 33:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:15 It seems like there was some sort of a connection with Saudi Arabia. Shut the fuck up.

Yannis Pappas 33:18 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:19 What about Iraq?

Yannis Pappas 33:20 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:20 They have weapons of war. They're gonna kill us all. We're gonna all be dead-

Yannis Pappas 33:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:23 ... unless we get in there right now.

Yannis Pappas 33:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:24 Let's go.

Yannis Pappas 33:25 Yeah. It's sort of like with the Epstein thing. It's like, isn't ga-... I just call her Gasoline, 'cause I hate pronouncing her first name. J- line.

Joe Rogan 33:32 Ghislaine, Ghislaine.

Yannis Pappas 33:32 Yeah. Why not, wh- uh, uh, how come there's no, they're not interrogating her? How come they're not... She's just sitting there, and they're, like, leaking these slow leaks about, uh, who-

Joe Rogan 33:41 Well, it's even crazier than that.

Yannis Pappas 33:41 It's like, talk to her. They have her.

Joe Rogan 33:44 Yeah. (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 33:44 Huh, is nobody asking her any questions? Like, she knows everything. Torture her.

Joe Rogan 33:50 We can't ask her-

Yannis Pappas 33:50 Torture her till she says everything.

Joe Rogan 33:51 ... any questions. It's not, it's not proper.

Yannis Pappas 33:54 And how is she just sitting in her mansion, like, while this was all going down? She's just sitting there. They can't find her. She hasn't been arres- uh-

Joe Rogan 34:00 She was in a cabin in New Hampshire.

Yannis Pappas 34:02 Yeah, she's just... (laughs) You can't f- you can find bin Laden, but you can't find Ghislaine Maxwell?

Joe Rogan 34:05 Well, they found her. They said she wasn't going-

Yannis Pappas 34:07 Yeah, they found her after a while.

Joe Rogan 34:08 Well, she's solo. You know, bin Laden had a, a whole network of people protecting him.

Yannis Pappas 34:13 Uh, yeah, I guess. (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:15 Well, there's a, the craziest theory is that they didn't shoot bin Laden, they shot bin Laden's double. That that's why they got rid of them. Like, there's so many wacko, fucking flat earth conspiracy theories out there about everything.

Yannis Pappas 34:27 Yeah, but some of them are not... Yeah, some of them are just because people have access to information now, and they go, "Wait a second." I think the nine-

Joe Rogan 34:34 You know what I also think, cynically?

Yannis Pappas 34:35 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:36 I think there's a lot of really dumb ones, and then there's a lot of ones that are, like, a little smarter than dumb. And then there's a lot of ones that are really smart. And then there's a lot of ones that are like, "Oh my God. If this is true, this changes everything." And they all lump them in together.

Yannis Pappas 34:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:50 And it's genius. It's genius 'cause if you only look at the ones, like the Federal Reserve isn't federal? Wait, wait a minute. Where is it?

Yannis Pappas 34:58 Right. It's private, yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:58 What the fuck is going on?

Yannis Pappas 35:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:00 You know? Like, wh- when you just look at one or two of those, it's so confounding that that's actually taking place right now, that you need like a little flat earth thrown in there, a little fucking Pizzagate, a little Hillary Clinton's laptop, they're eating babies, a little, you know, so you can sneak in Epstein's Island. Like that was a real place, man.

Yannis Pappas 35:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:21 That was a real place.

Yannis Pappas 35:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:23 And the way a place like that can kind of k- uh, fly in under the radar is if there's a bunch of fake stuff.

Yannis Pappas 35:30 So you think-

Joe Rogan 35:30 Don't go to Antarctica. There's an alien base. You know, there's like-

Yannis Pappas 35:33 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:33 The more nutty shit they can get you to think about, the more real things you should be really concerned about sneak through.

Yannis Pappas 35:41 Yeah. Do you think that's intentional? You think people just-

Joe Rogan 35:44 100%. 100%.

Yannis Pappas 35:44 ... spiral with other stuff?

Joe Rogan 35:45 Both.

Yannis Pappas 35:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:46 Both things.

Yannis Pappas 35:47 I think it's both probably, yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:47 It's both, yeah. But it's either playing on the fact... Even if the government wasn't encouraging people to go insane, they would still go insane. They would still have conspiracy theories. But without a doubt, foreign governments are on TikTok and on Instagram and on Facebook, and they are influencing people to go in a very specific direction. And how much of a percentage is it? If their algorithm encourages, like, trans-positive content, how m- um, how much does that move the public narrative? It's not zero.... it's not zero.

Yannis Pappas 36:20 No.

Joe Rogan 36:21 So if you got two ships and they're both going in the same direction, parallel lines, and I could turn this one ship just like that, just a little bit. I just need, like, a couple of degrees of turn. Over time, that motherfucker's gonna be way off course.

Yannis Pappas 36:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:35 Way off course.

Yannis Pappas 36:36 Yeah. Well-

Joe Rogan 36:36 I think that's happening-

Yannis Pappas 36:38 Oh, that's-

Joe Rogan 36:39 ... for fucking sure.

Yannis Pappas 36:40 That's the way war is waged now, yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:42 And it's also being, it's also happening with people that think they're doing the right thing. Like, we were talking about Google the other day, and li- how YouTube censors things. Like, what, they think they're doing it-

Yannis Pappas 36:53 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:53 ... they think they're doing the right thing.

Yannis Pappas 36:54 Right.

Joe Rogan 36:54 I was reading, did, is this true? That, um, Gas Digital's, all their stuff got taken off the air?

Yannis Pappas 37:01 I think they got taken down again on YouTube, I think, yeah. I don't know if you mean, like, their website and everything?

Joe Rogan 37:06 No, the co- the, their YouTube page.

Yannis Pappas 37:08 Yeah, they got taken down again, yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:10 There's one video where this comic that works at Lewis was saying that all they were doing in this podcast is talking about how big a guy's dick was. This guy had a giant hog. They were talking about this guy, and they got, they got their shit removed for that.

Yannis Pappas 37:25 Ah, it's up now.

Joe Rogan 37:27 It's back.

Yannis Pappas 37:27 Unless this is a different page.

Joe Rogan 37:28 'Til it's back.

Yannis Pappas 37:29 It's like the specials and stuff.

Joe Rogan 37:30 Yeah. So what were they saying? Oh, is it, maybe I'm looking at something, maybe it was a clip of something that happened in the past?

Yannis Pappas 37:37 Yeah, I don't know the specifics of it at all.

Joe Rogan 37:39 I, it was one of those, um, it was either an Instagram reel or one of them YouTube Shorts, you know, one of those things like that.

Yannis Pappas 37:46 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:46 He was talking about how they, they took it down because he was talking about how big a dude's hog was.

Yannis Pappas 37:50 Yeah, that doesn't seem...

Joe Rogan 37:51 Like, oh, that's bullying.

Yannis Pappas 37:52 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 37:53 (laughs) His big dick.

Yannis Pappas 37:54 I was, you were looking at the, we were talking about Jeffrey Epstein's island and a lot of people don't talk about his ranch in New Mexico.

Joe Rogan 37:59 Yeah, and his mansion. I mean, it was, it was popping off at all his spots. Um, he built a 26,700 square foot mansion with a sprawling courtyard and living room, roughly the size of the American home. N- (scoffs) Nearby was a private airstrip with a hangar and helipad. The property also included a ranch office, a firehouse, and a seven-bay heated garage. Yeah, that sounds like an intelligence agent right out of a fucking movie.

Yannis Pappas 38:25 Yeah, and we're never g-

Joe Rogan 38:26 Luring all the politicians into the honeypot.

Yannis Pappas 38:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:28 And how many people died because of that?

Yannis Pappas 38:31 (sighs) I, he, we're never gonna know. They're never gonna let us, we'll never know.

Joe Rogan 38:35 What a fucking genius con.

Yannis Pappas 38:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:38 What a genius con. You get some guy, you say he's a billionaire. You just give him, like, a fucking blank checkbook, which when you're spending 170 billion on Ukraine and 136 billion here and 46 billion there, we gotta upgrade that and, and just let these people in and that cost 30 trillion, like, fucking, what's a billion?

Yannis Pappas 38:58 That's right, yeah.

Joe Rogan 38:58 What's a billion to control literally the greatest scientists and entertainers and politicians and just get them all convinced?

Yannis Pappas 39:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:07 Look, Bill's here. Look, look who's here. S- is this, Stephen Hawking's here. Look, this guy's here. Look, it's the Nobel laureate's here. Look at all these brilliant, esteemed scientists. Look at these amazing conversations. Look how beautiful these women are. It's like everybody says that, oh, if you went there, you'd be a real piece of shit. If you're going to a place where, I mean, what is the actual list? Who's on the actual list? You know, there's, there's some pretty fascinating people. If you got i- invited to that party and you didn't know what the fuck was going on, magician David Copperfield reappears.

Yannis Pappas 39:43 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:43 Jeffrey Epstein court, poof.

Yannis Pappas 39:44 Reappears? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:44 Magic. (laughs) With lawyers suggesting he traded tickets for girls.

Yannis Pappas 39:50 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:50 Tickets for his shows? Is this show that hot?

Yannis Pappas 39:53 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:53 Jesus Christ. How cheap are these girls?

Yannis Pappas 39:56 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 39:56 Because, like, what, how much does these tickets to his show cost?

Yannis Pappas 39:58 I don't know, I don't know. I, I don't know the magic-

Joe Rogan 40:00 Point.

Yannis Pappas 40:00 ... I don't know the magic hierarchy.

Joe Rogan 40:02 Talk about overvaluing what you're worth.

Yannis Pappas 40:04 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:05 If you give me a sex slave, I'll give you tickets to my show.

Yannis Pappas 40:07 I'll give you tickets to my magic show. Not even a Criss Angel show either.

Joe Rogan 40:11 But what a brilliant move, if you can... I mean, here's, qu- okay, question one, number one. Were they all underage? Were some of them of age? Like, do we know how that worked? 'Cause even if they weren't under- underage is the best, if you wanna get some blackmail, that's the best. But you still bust, uh, quite a few guys with of age.

Yannis Pappas 40:32 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:33 Especially if you're giving them a little yayo.

Yannis Pappas 40:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:36 We're on an island, you ain't gonna do no yayo?

Yannis Pappas 40:38 There's no rules, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:39 (sniffs) Whoo!

Yannis Pappas 40:40 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:41 We're the elite.

Yannis Pappas 40:42 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:42 We're the fucking Illuminati, pal. I am.

Yannis Pappas 40:44 (laughs) Yeah, just cheating on your wife is enough.

Joe Rogan 40:48 Yeah, enough. That's enou-

Yannis Pappas 40:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:49 It just, or publicly having it so that they can, like, trot it out there any time there's an election, any time there's a this or there's a vote they want you to vote in one way or another way. They always have that, always have that.

Yannis Pappas 41:02 Just a little reminder out there.

Joe Rogan 41:03 And so you just keep that fucking thing in the back of your head, like, "I gotta shut the fuck up-"

Yannis Pappas 41:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:06 "... and toe the line. I've gotta shut the fuck up and toe the line."

Yannis Pappas 41:09 There's no better way to control someone.

Joe Rogan 41:11 No better way.

Yannis Pappas 41:12 No.

Joe Rogan 41:12 And it's, it's so brilliant and ancient. (laughs) It's like an ancient strategy, you know, and it, it was... I, first of all, is there another one going on right now that we don't know about?

Yannis Pappas 41:24 Of course.

Joe Rogan 41:25 Like that, at that level?

Yannis Pappas 41:26 Of course.

Joe Rogan 41:26 It seems like that guy was like-

Yannis Pappas 41:27 So effective, why would you stop? Like, you, yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:29 I think you need a combination of things to do it at that guy's level. By all accounts, he was a brilliant guy, which is wild, right? And you have to be also a sick fuck, which he obviously was, and also an intelligence agent. So do you just become that sick fuck over the course of... Like, you know how you hear about DEA agents, they start dealing drugs once they get in there. They're like the, th- they, they're like undercover and then they fucking live the life and they start actually dealing drugs. It happens.

Yannis Pappas 42:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:03 Do you think, like, maybe the guy just became a fucking sociopath, psychopath?

Yannis Pappas 42:08 So fascinating to think about.

Joe Rogan 42:08 From just dealing with the life that he was, it, that's his job. His job is to trick politicians into fucking underage girls and get them coked up and bring them into this place that's cameras everywhere.

Yannis Pappas 42:20 It's

Joe Rogan 42:20 These fucking idiots don't know that there's gonna be cameras everywhere and you, and you set this up?

Yannis Pappas 42:25 I-

Joe Rogan 42:25 And that, this is what you do for a living for 30 years-

Yannis Pappas 42:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:28 ... or however long he did it.

Yannis Pappas 42:29 It's fascinating to think about. I think two things. I think...... everyone wants to be someone, right? Everyone wants to be someone, have an exciting life. And then I think people have a myriad of, uh, they have a, you know, just your moral compass from your family or whatever is on a scale, so that's a factor. And then, but the more important factor is everyone has those moments in their life where things are offered to them.

Joe Rogan 42:55 Mm-hmm.

Yannis Pappas 42:55 You know? And you know you go this way, you're gonna get some exciting stuff, but you're gonna have to compromise your moral compass and-

Joe Rogan 43:03 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 43:04 ... people make the, you know, make that decision. Fame and power, it's like the ultimate elixir.

Joe Rogan 43:11 It's also the people that you're around. 'Cause like we were talking about, like, we love being around comics. It's, it's fun. It's our lifestyle. It's how we like to talk. They like being around other sociopaths. They like being around other people that are taking over businesses, hostile takeovers. They, they like to be around the guys who influence foreign governments, the guys who fly over in private jets and sit with their legs crossed with Italian shoes on.

Yannis Pappas 43:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 43:40 You know? And they have conversations about clean energy. And, you know, what they really want to do is control all the fucking food, control the farmlands. You know, "We have to reduce the methane from these cows, and the best way to do it is just to take the cows away from the farmers. If we just control the cows, if we have a climate change mandate and we control the farms, I mean, it's basically game over."

Yannis Pappas 44:03 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:04 That's... They're literally doing that.

Yannis Pappas 44:05 All bad guys have a British accent, yeah.

Joe Rogan 44:06 There's no reason why you would say we shouldn't have cows unless you're a fucking complete so- sociopath. You're not going after the coal plants first. No, you want people to get rid of cows? Are you sure this is a good strategy? Do you understand starvation?

Yannis Pappas 44:25 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 44:25 Do you understand how that works? You're not gonna grow cows, are you? No, you need someone to grow cows, and you're gonna take their cows away? The fuck out of here.

Yannis Pappas 44:35 Yeah, why would they want to get rid of cows?

Joe Rogan 44:36 Because they want you to be completely dependent on them. The more you're dependent on them and the more they can tell you what's good and what's bad and what you shouldn't be doing and... "Giannis, we looked at your carbon footprint. Your carbon footprint is very problematic. It seems like in your job of standup comedy, you travel more than the average person, and you contribute more CO₂." And they show you, like, a video of all... "And we're gonna have to get you to stop." It's like, for the greater good, for the greater good.

Yannis Pappas 45:09 It has some benefits. Social credit scores have a benefit. Things are cleaner. They run a little more orderly. (clicks tongue)

Joe Rogan 45:15 Sure.

Yannis Pappas 45:15 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:15 You have to listen or you can't eat.

Yannis Pappas 45:18 It's horrible. It's a nightmare. But, you know, there is some...

Joe Rogan 45:21 It's-

Yannis Pappas 45:21 Things do run better.

Joe Rogan 45:23 Well, it runs better for the government.

Yannis Pappas 45:25 When you force people to do stuff, yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:25 Yeah, you have less dissent because you kill people.

Yannis Pappas 45:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:27 I mean, China's doing a great job of showing how you can run it.

Yannis Pappas 45:30 You can run it. Yeah, they're just doing it.

Joe Rogan 45:32 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 45:32 It's a nice tight ship over there.

Joe Rogan 45:33 That's how you make an iPhone.

Yannis Pappas 45:33 Nobody's jaywalking. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:35 That's how you make an iPhone.

Yannis Pappas 45:36 That's how you make an iPhone over there.

Joe Rogan 45:38 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 45:38 You get, you get, you get people to follow rules.

Joe Rogan 45:40 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 45:41 They, you know...

Joe Rogan 45:42 If that comes over here, that's the end of creativity. That's the end of everything. Because you're just gonna have to shut the fuck up, and you're gonna have to toe the line, and we all already know that the line is nonsense.

Yannis Pappas 45:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 45:53 We know that the line is not really intelligent people that are assessing objectively what's going on in the world and giving you, uh, uh, a reasonable version of the events. We know that's not really what we're seeing in the media.

Yannis Pappas 46:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:08 We're seeing people that are deeply influenced by advertising budgets, by what kind of companies advertise on their shows, by the investors who own stock in the company. It's, there's narratives, and they're not necessarily even remotely honest.

Yannis Pappas 46:27 Right.

Joe Rogan 46:28 Like, sometimes they're off the charts fake.

Yannis Pappas 46:33 Right. Right.

Joe Rogan 46:34 They get, and they get printed in, like, major newspapers, like, how... Some of the propaganda in the beginning of the Israeli, uh, Hamas war was, uh, that these Israelis bombed a hospital and 500 people were killed. It was printed in The New York Times.

Yannis Pappas 46:48 I remember that, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:48 They didn't hit the hospital.

Yannis Pappas 46:49 No.

Joe Rogan 46:49 They hit the parking lot next to the hospital and it seems-

Yannis Pappas 46:51 I think a lot of that is the rush too, to get to the story first, like, 'cause there's so much competition. Everyone's just putting things out, and nobody cares about the retraction anyway and so...

Joe Rogan 46:59 Well, uh, the ru- Also, that's a juicy story.

Yannis Pappas 47:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:03 If Israel really did bomb a hospital-

Yannis Pappas 47:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:05 ... like, oh my god, this is genocide.

Yannis Pappas 47:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 47:07 You know, it really helps that narrative.

Yannis Pappas 47:09 Yeah. Like, I was watching this documentary last night, and the media did that to this couple. Uh, they did it because the movie Gone Girl was out at the time, so they just started calling her Gone Girl, and she made up this whole story of being kidnapped. She did get kidnapped. She did get raped.

Joe Rogan 47:22 Oh, my God.

Yannis Pappas 47:22 But the media was just making fun of her, calling her Gone Girl because it's a juicier story.

Joe Rogan 47:27 Oh, my God.

Yannis Pappas 47:27 They just ran with it. The police department, too, was all convinced that she was a gone girl. People just... Marketing and, and advertising and, um, subterfuge, it works. It just works. That's why advertisers spend billions of dollars on it, because it works.

Joe Rogan 47:42 You ever see Nancy Pelosi talking about it openly, talk about the wrap-up smear?

Yannis Pappas 47:47 No.

Joe Rogan 47:47 You know, Nancy's been in politics for a long time.

Yannis Pappas 47:50 She's been a long time.

Joe Rogan 47:51 And she's a genius with her money.

Yannis Pappas 47:53 She's very good. She beats the market a lot.

Joe Rogan 47:55 It's amazing that someone who's never mur- made more than $170,000 a year is worth 150 million bucks.

Yannis Pappas 48:01 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:01 (laughs) And she does better investing in the stock market than Warren Buffett or George Soros.

Yannis Pappas 48:05 Yeah, she's always beaten the market.

Joe Rogan 48:07 So, I don't know what happened. Maybe she had a senior moment, and she just started explaining how you lie. And she... I mean, this can't be AI, is it? I, I think it's real 'cause it's from a couple of years ago. It's called the wrap-up smear.

Narrator 48:19 Yeah, there's an AP that, uh, assessment that says it's been taken out of context. I was trying to get to what the context was.

Joe Rogan 48:26 What co- What context could it be? She's describing a wrap-up smear.

Narrator 48:30 It says she was... The assessment says she was describing a tactic she used, or she accused Republicans of against Democrats.

48:38 ... and other portions of her response not shown in the clip, Pelosi makes it clear she is not talking about her own party.

Joe Rogan 48:43 Oh, I don't think sh- I don't necessarily think she's talking about anyone in particular. What I'm saying is that what she revealed-

Narrator 48:50 Right.

Joe Rogan 48:50 ... is that there's a str- it's a play. You know, like, if you're a football player and they call a play, you know that play. You know? Like, like, or, or a callback in standup comedy. This is what she's doing. She's talking business. She's talking business. I'm not saying she's even accusing anybody of this.

Narrator 49:04 No, no. The claim was that it was.

Joe Rogan 49:05 Oh.

Narrator 49:05 The claim was saying that it's how the Democrats get the media to legitimize lies.

Joe Rogan 49:09 Oh, okay. But what it, what was fascinating to me about it-

Narrator 49:12 Find the video.

Joe Rogan 49:12 ... was just this open admittance that it's all bullshit. Just, just saying, like, not decrying this thing and saying it's, it's a genuine problem with communication, that we have deception and it's tolerated and that it's not punished, and that like, willful deception like this, and there's a thing called a wrap up smear, and this is a horrible thing that they do. It wasn't that. It was like, "This is how it's done."

Narrator 49:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 49:37 Watch, here, go, go, play from the beginning.

Narrator 49:39 Play the video, I think. Uh, hold on. Stop. Audio.

49:45 You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest, and then you merchandise it, and then you write it, and they'll say, "See, it's reported in the press that this, this, this, and this," so they have that validation that the press reported it.

Joe Rogan 50:02 What's going on?

Narrator 50:03 The news person is about to start talking.

50:04 There was proof that the-

50:04 That's why I was trying to cut it off, that's why you didn't hear her.

50:06 ... the assault allegations against Brett Kavanaugh.

50:08 This is where I was trying to get, not get too confused on what...

Joe Rogan 50:10 Okay. So, they were connecting it to the assault, uh, allegations against Brett Kavanaugh that tried to keep him out of the Supreme Court, right?

Narrator 50:16 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:17 Is that what the Fox News story was trying to do?

Narrator 50:19 I guess this is from five years ago when this was posted.

Joe Rogan 50:20 Yeah. But what I was getting at was just that she's describing a tactic.

Narrator 50:25 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 50:26 "This is what we do."

Narrator 50:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:27 "We, you know, we fake, and then Johnny comes into the right, I pass off the football to him, he sneaks around behind, we, we run through the fucking line. Let's go."

Narrator 50:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:37 She's talking business.

Narrator 50:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 50:40 Even if she's not saying that the Democrats do it, this is how we do it, she's talking business.

Narrator 50:44 Yes. Yes. And that's how it works.

Joe Rogan 50:46 And you're not, she's not horrified. Imagine if you were in that same position and you had been given information. For whatever reason, the current administration thinks Giannis Papas, let's have a very smart, funny guy, and he's gonna be, be the guy that kind of explains what's going on. And you have to explain what a wrap up smear is.

Narrator 51:03 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 51:05 Would you not feel, like, morally obligated to say something about how atrocious activity like this is when it comes to critical decisions that people are making? People that are probably not that informed, people that are going through their day busy, they have jobs, they have bills, they have stress, they have all kinds of stuff going on, they don't have enough time to pay attention to what's going on with that Supreme Court guy. So if you're, like, openly discussing strategies where you would deceive people in order to get a narrative passed that's clearly untrue because you don't want that guy in office politically, and that's not horrific to people? That is anti-American. It really is. And you can think you're doing it because you're a good American, but that's how communism gets started. That's how dictators take over. They come up with justification for why they can bend the rules. The rules are the fucking rules.

Narrator 52:05 Yeah, once you, once you compromise the rules, that's-

Joe Rogan 52:08 You gotta let people vote.

Narrator 52:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:10 You gotta let people. You got, there should be, and I think there's gotta be a good news, what is that 1440 News? Is that what it's called?

Narrator 52:18 I don't even know what that is.

Joe Rogan 52:19 There's some news site that is tr- there's a, a comp- I think that's the name of it. I signed up for it, I don't even remember what it is. They're trying to just give you facts with no narrative. Like, here's the events of the day.

Narrator 52:33 Ground News? I love Ground News.

Joe Rogan 52:36 I don't know what the sources are, like, if they're on the ground.

Narrator 52:38 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 52:38 But what they're, what they're doing is they're trying to do it without a left wing or a right wing spin.

Narrator 52:43 Well, Ground News tells you it rates-

Joe Rogan 52:44 That's it, 1440?

Narrator 52:46 I don't know. Is it?

Joe Rogan 52:47 Yeah, that's it. Do you have to sign up for it?

Narrator 52:50 I don't even know. I'm, can't tell if this is a, just a Substack or-

Joe Rogan 52:53 100 plus sources so you don't have to, culture, science, sports, politics, business and more, all in a five-minute read. It's, people are... If you're a Fox News fucking zombie, you're a Fox News zombie. You're, you're not, you're not checking what MSNBC has to say, you know, "What's that, that Rachel Maddow lady? What's her take on this? Was there some fucking... Is there room in the middle here?" Like, what's, what's-

Narrator 53:17 No, you don't-

Joe Rogan 53:17 (laughs)

Narrator 53:17 You don't wanna live in that re-

Joe Rogan 53:18 Yeah.

Narrator 53:18 You live in that re- you live in the Fox reality.

Joe Rogan 53:20 Yeah.

Narrator 53:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:20 You don't have any time.

Narrator 53:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:22 You, no one has any fucking time, Giannis.

Narrator 53:24 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:25 They don't have time to be sorting this out. So if you're fucking lying and you're doing it because you think it's a good strategy to get your politician in place, that's dirty. That's anti-American.

Narrator 53:40 Yeah. It is, but I'm sure it's the way it's worked-

Joe Rogan 53:44 Bro, thi-

Narrator 53:44 ... from the beginning.

Joe Rogan 53:45 Think about what they took Nixon out for. Just spying. Just a little spying.

Narrator 53:51 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 53:53 Just a little spying. Not that big a deal.

Narrator 53:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 53:58 And they don't wanna do anything about the Epstein client list and they don't wanna do anything about whatever the fuck Hunter Biden was doing with Russia and Ukraine-

Narrator 54:10 Ukraine, yeah, Ukraine.

Joe Rogan 54:10 ... and China.

Narrator 54:11 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:12 What were you doing, bro?

Narrator 54:14 They're selective about what-

Joe Rogan 54:15 Wha- what were you doing over there?

Narrator 54:17 ... what they do, like... Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:17 Hey, Joe, why does everybody have millions of dollars?

Narrator 54:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:20 Where did all that come from?

Narrator 54:21 Yeah. Why are you on the board of a major energy company, um, and you're a crackhead? Why did-

Joe Rogan 54:28 Yeah.

Narrator 54:28 Is it to curry favor with the vice president?

Joe Rogan 54:31 Why did Joe Biden get a million dollar a year job teaching at UPenn...

Narrator 54:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:38 ... that was funded by a Chinese grant? (laughs)

Narrator 54:42 Yeah. (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 54:42 He also-

Joe Rogan 54:43 Or I shouldn't say it's funded by a Chinese grant. It happened right after China gave him a bunch of money.

Yannis Pappas 54:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 54:49 This fucking dude doesn't even have to show there, and then he's telling everybody what he was teaching there (laughs) .

Yannis Pappas 54:52 Yeah. And he also plagiarized, got caught, and-

Joe Rogan 54:56 Oh, yeah.

Yannis Pappas 54:56 ... there's no consequences.

Joe Rogan 54:58 Dude, we had Joe Biden night at Stitches Comedy Club in Boston. In 1988, when he was running for president, he got busted. I think it was Robert Kennedy's speech and someone else's speech. He used, like big chunks of people's stuff, and he got busted. Pre-internet.

Yannis Pappas 55:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:14 And it was so egregious and so bad that we did Joe Biden night at the Stitches Comedy Club-

Yannis Pappas 55:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:21 ... where, like you would go up and do my act, and I would go up-

Yannis Pappas 55:23 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:23 ... and do your act.

Yannis Pappas 55:25 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 55:25 We would just go up and do acts of our friends.

Yannis Pappas 55:29 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:29 If you could just... You know, we've... S- S... Fitze Simmons and I used to go and watch it.

Yannis Pappas 55:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:34 It was hilarious.

Yannis Pappas 55:35 Yeah. There's no consequences.

Joe Rogan 55:37 There's no consequences.

Yannis Pappas 55:38 No consequences.

Joe Rogan 55:38 It's not just no consequences, but there's so many videos of him. People keep wanting to talk about Trump lying and, you know, Trump being a bully, and it's like, I'm not saying he's not. I'm not saying he's not a crazy individual, a bombastic individual, but why are you ignoring the other guy's lies?

Yannis Pappas 55:56 Right.

Joe Rogan 55:56 'Cause i- if you care about truth, we should be going, "Shit, look at this mess."

Yannis Pappas 56:00 'Cause-

Joe Rogan 56:00 That's what we should be doing.

Yannis Pappas 56:01 ... it's the same reason why th- those people won't say that Trump did anything good. He did do-

Joe Rogan 56:05 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 56:05 ... some good things when he was in office. Some th- he was right about some things, and he did do some things that were effective.

Joe Rogan 56:11 Um-

Yannis Pappas 56:11 But they'll never admit it 'cause it's, uh, it's all team ball.

Joe Rogan 56:13 The guy who's the head of Google, how do you say his name? Chamath. I don't wanna fuck his name up.

Narrator 56:19 I want to say it's leffing-

Joe Rogan 56:20 Brilliant guy. But his take on it was he... Trump was the wrong guy with the right strategies. Wrong guy with the right message. Wrong guy socially, politically, lightning rod for the wrong kind of people. The right guy in terms of... Seems like those policies were more effective. There's just so many things that are fucking weird right now.

Yannis Pappas 56:42 That's a good point.

Joe Rogan 56:43 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 56:43 That is a good point, yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:45 But he's brilliant.

Yannis Pappas 56:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 56:46 He's a brilliant guy, and you have to be brilliant to be someone who was at Google, which is an incredibly left wing organization, like heavy... Like, most super genius tech people are very, like left wing. And then to look at that in a nuanced way and, and to be able to step outside of the ideology and say that, because that's the truth.

Yannis Pappas 57:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:06 That is the truth.

Yannis Pappas 57:07 Yeah.

Narrator 57:08 He was a early exec at Facebook, not Google.

Joe Rogan 57:10 I'm sorry, Facebook. And that... Again, same kind of thing.

Narrator 57:14 Yeah, same kind of guy.

Joe Rogan 57:15 Yeah, super genius tech guy. And... But the way he describes... See if you can find him saying it.

Narrator 57:21 Oh.

Joe Rogan 57:21 'Cause the way he describes it, you're like, "Thank God he's saying that and not a moron."

Yannis Pappas 57:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:26 You know, because what he's describing is the actual points, and he's i- he's making very good points about it.

Yannis Pappas 57:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:31 It's like...

Yannis Pappas 57:31 Well, I mean, we're less dependent on foreign oil. I mean, he was-

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 57:34 ... right about the border. Look at-

Joe Rogan 57:36 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 57:36 ... the border now.

Joe Rogan 57:37 The border now seems to be on purpose. It, it seems to be on purpose. It seems to be like there's some sort of a strategy to, uh, either flood the country... Tim Dillon thinks it's, uh, cheap labor, uh, for construction. He's like-

Yannis Pappas 57:51 That's gotta be true.

Joe Rogan 57:53 It's gotta be-

Yannis Pappas 57:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:53 ... a factor. It's gotta be a factor.

Yannis Pappas 57:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:55 Cheap labor's probably a, a factor, and then another factor is, uh, this push to have them be able to vote. You know, it's, um, it's a weird one. Like, they're doing that in New York City. They're, they're pushing to, uh, give illegals the right to vote. But then the wildest thing that Texas is doing is shipping all the people that show up 'cause the, these states want... They want sanctuary cities. Like, "Yeah, because you're not on the border." Go, "Okay, we'll just ship them to you."

Yannis Pappas 58:20 Yes.

Joe Rogan 58:21 So Texas is just shipping bus loads of illegal immigrants to New York. Like, this is your mess.

Yannis Pappas 58:26 It's the perfect example of the difference between theory and reality.

Joe Rogan 58:30 Yes.

Yannis Pappas 58:30 It's like everyone up there is in theory, "Oh, love everybody. Everyone's great." It... There's no such thing as an illegal, and then when it becomes your problem, and that's why Texas is doing it. They're going, "Okay, now you're going to deal with what we're dealing with, so you're gonna feel what it's like, and now you guys gotta pay for it, and you have to figure out what to do, and..."

Joe Rogan 58:45 Change your policies.

Yannis Pappas 58:46 Yeah. So it-

Joe Rogan 58:47 Stupid.

Yannis Pappas 58:47 ... it's-

Joe Rogan 58:47 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 58:48 It's w- it, it has, uh... There's a lot of people in the left and the center that are going just, like, "Make it go away." They're just going,-

Joe Rogan 58:55 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 58:55 ... "I don't know, just throw them in the water. Just make it go away, but don't tell anyone what I told you."

Joe Rogan 58:58 Here it is.

Narrator 58:58 Is it... Uh, is this it?

Joe Rogan 58:59 Yeah, that's it.

Narrator 59:00 Should we check, or talk about Trump derangement syndrome?

Joe Rogan 59:02 Yeah.

Narrator 59:02 Okay. Well, it's in two minutes. Let me restart. Pause audio of Ben. ... Hillary Clinton. I voted for-

Yannis Pappas 59:11 Yeah.

Narrator 59:11 ... Joe Biden, but this is the honest assessment. The guy h- did, for the things that he was supposed to do, a good job. And for where every other president found a way to, frankly, make our situation a little bit worse, specifically around wars, he did not do that. And that is a huge accomplishment that I think needs to be acknowledged. As a-

Joe Rogan 59:33 (laughs)

Narrator 59:33 ... Democrat who has been left-

Joe Rogan 59:35 Stop looking at the map. (laughs)

Narrator 59:35 ... homeless, who is now definitely-

Joe Rogan 59:37 There they are.

Narrator 59:38 ... in the center, but probably leaning increasingly right, I'm left yet again with an appreciation, despite the messenger, of the message of the Trump administration, because what those guys did was pretty incredible in hindsight. These Abraham Accords, the accords with Israel and the GCC, the almost accord between Israel and Saudi, to really be able to, like find a long-lasting peace is just a real example for the world. And, you know, those guys did a lot of really good work, and- I- it's, it's a miracle, actually, when you, when you look at it. What they did- Yeah. ... you know, despite the fact... Listen, I'm no fan of Trump, and I am too homeless- But this is where- ... and it's a political party, but- Can I say this? But this i- ... if you want to objectively look at what they did, it was good work. You have to-

Joe Rogan 1:00:27 Yeah.

Narrator 1:00:28 And, in fact, this is a moment where you have to start to re-underwrite, like is one's Trump derangement syndrome causing more damage than anything that Trump could have actually done? And I think the answer is yes because, like it's now causing us to not see that good work and then embrace and extend it. So much of the work that happened in that administration...... turns out to have been right. And that's what's so frustrating for me. The work on the border wall, we didn't like the messenger, so we killed the message. Turned out it was right. Issuing long-term debt to refinance when rates were at zero, we didn't like the messenger, so we killed the message. A structural peace in the Middle East, we didn't like the messenger, so we killed the message. When are we gonna stop shooting ourselves in the foot?

Yannis Pappas 1:01:18 Yeah, I mean-

Narrator 1:01:18 And when are we gonna actually see and take the time to look past who is saying things and actually listen to them word for word?

Joe Rogan 1:01:27 Boom.

Yannis Pappas 1:01:28 So good.

Narrator 1:01:29 That's what's up.

Yannis Pappas 1:01:29 Well, that's why he's gonna win this election if they let him run. (sighs) He's gonna win. Well, I think the abortion thing really shot the Republicans in the foot.

Joe Rogan 1:01:35 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:01:36 I, I think a lot of women are not happy about that, whether they publicly say it or not.

Joe Rogan 1:01:40 I think it's a gamble. It's like what percentage of people are pro and what percentage of people are against? And how many of the, like, the people that are actually gonna vote, the real hardcore-

Yannis Pappas 1:01:51 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 ... you know, red till I'm dead, how many of those people are pro-life? Probably a good number.

Yannis Pappas 1:01:59 Like, the majority-

Joe Rogan 1:02:00 And the other ones are, the other ones are not gonna vote Democrat just for that issue. If you do- uh, like, I, I believe with Trump with everything, except killing babies, I'm not gonna vote for him in that. I just think you should be able to do that.

Yannis Pappas 1:02:12 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:12 Like, very few people are gonna do that. Unless you currently need one right now-

Yannis Pappas 1:02:17 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:17 ... you know? And then that might sway your judgment.

Yannis Pappas 1:02:19 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 But very few people, if, like, most of the st- the chips are stacked in this one direction but there's just one?

Yannis Pappas 1:02:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 The thing is, the, the thing about it is the control thing. The thing about it that is, is kind of crazy is being able to tell someone what they can and can't do, and to say there's no debate.

Yannis Pappas 1:02:36 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:02:36 Well, there's clearly a debate, because people have been having abortions all over the place and we're not putting them in jail. Right? So there's clearly a debate as to what that is.

Yannis Pappas 1:02:44 Yeah, and it's also that it's one of those things where it's like you're morally against it, so then if you're morally against it, then you don't do it and be morally against it. But it's one of those things that's gonna happen. It's like being morally against something doesn't change anything in the real world.

Joe Rogan 1:02:59 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:02:59 See, like with Israel and Palestine, like a, I'm morally against it. It's like, okay, what's that gonna do?

Joe Rogan 1:03:03 Right. But to an ex- to an extent.

Yannis Pappas 1:03:04 It's not gonna stop people from dying.

Joe Rogan 1:03:05 To an extent. To an extent. Because once the baby's born, then we all agree you can't kill it.

Yannis Pappas 1:03:10 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:03:10 So but that's ... so there's a number.

Yannis Pappas 1:03:12 But most of the world does, like, what? First term, after first term is not good.

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Yeah, I think, uh-

Yannis Pappas 1:03:17 There's gotta be a compromise.

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 It's interesting these people are talking about-

Yannis Pappas 1:03:19 Because abortions aren't good. Even if you're on the left, abortions, you can't say abortions are good.

Joe Rogan 1:03:24 Well, when the people that want them are, you know, like, there's ... (laughs) you see the video of that trans guy? Or a trans woman, rather, who said he wants to be the first person to get a transplanted uterus, get pregnant, and have an abortion?

Yannis Pappas 1:03:36 Ah, it's gotta be a joke.

Joe Rogan 1:03:37 (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 1:03:37 It's gotta ... you can't add comedy to comedy.

Joe Rogan 1:03:39 It's probably a dude.

Yannis Pappas 1:03:40 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:41 It's probably just a regular dude, just thought it would be funny. Started a TikTok page to say the wildest shit.

Yannis Pappas 1:03:45 Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:45 We're coming for your kids. I always think that about the guy with the stubble and the lipstick. I'm like, "That's probably not even real."

Yannis Pappas 1:03:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:50 Yeah, this one.

Narrator 1:03:51 But because they want to get an abortion.

1:03:54 Trans woman, to have a successful uterus transplant, ovaries and eggs included, and I want to be the first trans woman-

Joe Rogan 1:04:05 (laughs)

Narrator 1:04:05 ... to have an abortion.

Joe Rogan 1:04:07 (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 1:04:08 If this is-

Joe Rogan 1:04:09 This is true.

Yannis Pappas 1:04:09 If it's true, it's comedy. If it's not, it's also comedy.

Joe Rogan 1:04:12 It's China's victory cry.

Yannis Pappas 1:04:14 Yeah. (laughs)

Narrator 1:04:14 Yeah, we got them.

Yannis Pappas 1:04:16 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:16 That's what I think. I think China TikTok'd us into a, a fucking coma.

Yannis Pappas 1:04:21 They certainly have, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:22 I think, I think-

Yannis Pappas 1:04:23 They-

Joe Rogan 1:04:23 ... we did it to ourselves partially, but I, I also think for sure, just like I said, like, it has an effect on narratives about which p- way people believe, what they agree with and don't agree with. Whatever they can show you on that algorithm, that shapes things in a certain direction.

Yannis Pappas 1:04:40 Well, I think they, they saw what our culture's about, what our weakness was, and they used it against us. Wh- wh- you know, fame, what we worship, Tom Cruise, fame. And then, once they democratized fame, they were like-

Joe Rogan 1:04:51 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:04:51 ... "Oh, let's use this."

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:04:53 "Let's, let's promote ... Let's make stupid people famous. Let's make s- simple things famous. Let's push these in the algorithm so people see it, because then Americans will go, 'Oh, I can get famous too.'" And then everyone started becoming their own Madison Avenue agency, marketing wacky, zany versions of themselves.

Joe Rogan 1:05:13 If you know actors, and you know actors.

Yannis Pappas 1:05:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:15 And I know actors. Not all of them, but there's a percentage of them that aren't even people.

Yannis Pappas 1:05:21 No, they're like vessels.

Joe Rogan 1:05:23 They're out of their fucking mind. And if you can convince that guy that wearing a dress to the Golden Globes is gonna get him more attention, he's gonna do it.

Yannis Pappas 1:05:33 Oh, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:33 He's gonna do it.

Yannis Pappas 1:05:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:34 He's gonna wear high heels and you're gonna tell him he looks fabulous. And this guy is straight as an arrow, and it doesn't matter. He's just gaming the system.

Yannis Pappas 1:05:42 Yeah. The people who are really into fame, you can really convince them to do anything.

Joe Rogan 1:05:47 Almost anyone, but that's-

Yannis Pappas 1:05:47 Yeah, 'cause they want the fame. They want the attention. They want it bad. They want it so bad.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 That's the question.

Yannis Pappas 1:05:52 They want it so bad.

Joe Rogan 1:05:54 That's the question.

Yannis Pappas 1:05:54 They're obsessed with being huge.

Joe Rogan 1:05:56 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:05:57 And, uh, I, you know, I've met people like that. They're just, they're obsessed with it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:01 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:06:01 That's what they want. It's, it's just what they want. It's how they're built. It's what they're into.

Joe Rogan 1:06:05 And then the producer puts his hand on your leg and grabs your hog. And you're like-

Yannis Pappas 1:06:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:08 ... "Oh, but I want the movie."

Yannis Pappas 1:06:11 And you do it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:11 The movie's so important.

Yannis Pappas 1:06:12 And you do it. And you do it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:14 The movie's so important. He grabs you by your hand and takes you into the room. Ooh, Giannis.

Yannis Pappas 1:06:20 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:20 How bad do you wanna be Iron Man?

Yannis Pappas 1:06:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:22 How bad? How bad, how bad do you wanna be Peter Parker?

Yannis Pappas 1:06:27 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:29 (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 1:06:29 It's so crazy. (laughs) That's probably what tips the scales, whoever's willing to do that the most.

Joe Rogan 1:06:34 Well, Quentin Tarantino was telling us about, uh, this old director that literally had a bedroom built into his office where he'd bed the starlets. So he had his office, they would go into his office, and there was a bed in a room, and he would take them in there and bang them, all of them.

Yannis Pappas 1:06:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:49 Wanna be in the movie? You gotta fuck the producer.

Yannis Pappas 1:06:51 (laughs) Fuck the producer, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:52 Fuck are you talking about?

Yannis Pappas 1:06:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:53 Especially once you get that system up and running, and you've created a few stars and you know how to do it, and they're like, "Oh!"... (gasps) it's Frank. He's the guy who runs the office. He can make you famous.

Yannis Pappas 1:07:04 And he can.

Joe Rogan 1:07:05 And he can.

Yannis Pappas 1:07:05 And he can, and he will.

Joe Rogan 1:07:06 And he can.

Yannis Pappas 1:07:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:07 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:07:07 It's- it's interesting now, 'cause the world knows that that's the way it works, 'cause it does. It does work that way.

Joe Rogan 1:07:13 The Harvey Weinstein thing just opened up that can of worms.

Yannis Pappas 1:07:15 Yeah, it just opened it up. It's like, that is how it works.

Joe Rogan 1:07:17 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:07:18 That is how it works.

Joe Rogan 1:07:19 Mm-hmm.

Yannis Pappas 1:07:20 A lot of times, people who rise up in the system are bad people.

Joe Rogan 1:07:24 Especially those kind of systems.

Yannis Pappas 1:07:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:26 Systems of power and influence. But I always say that that's like ... W- I was always talking about Hollywood in that way, that that is the, like ... It's a perfect proving ground for, like, the absolute worst way to develop a human being. (laughs) You take people that are already fucked up, and they need extra attention, and then they move to a place where they're surrounded by people who are fucked up and need extra attention. And then you make them compete to see who's worthy. And you go in there and pretend to be someone else, and they decide whether or not to like you or someone else, or his someone else. And you have to figure out what they like, and try to be their friend. Maybe bring them chocolates, and maybe talk to them about the- the- the latest Roe v. Wade issue. I- I, for one, am always been with the woman's right to choose. And they'll, like, formulate their ideology based on whatever this group of pe- ... So this group of people achieves ultimate power, and that, you know, like, if you step out of line politically with any of those people, you're on that shit list, and you're not gonna be in that movie, 100%. You either keep your fucking mouth shut, or you go and you wear your fucking pink ribbon, and you do all the things you're supposed to do, the black square on Tuesday. You do everything you're supposed to do, or you're not getting in. And so everybody is just like this, like, weird shell of a person trying to figure out what's the thing they're supposed to say and what's the thing they're supposed to support and ...

Yannis Pappas 1:08:51 (laughs) Yeah. It's a miserable way to live, but ...

Joe Rogan 1:08:54 But it's a whole industry.

Yannis Pappas 1:08:55 They love it.

Joe Rogan 1:08:55 And that's how you make fake stuff.

Yannis Pappas 1:08:57 Yeah. That's-

Joe Rogan 1:08:58 That's the only way to make fake stuff.

Yannis Pappas 1:08:59 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:08:59 You gotta get those fucking crazy people to pretend they're a minor. (laughs)

Yannis Pappas 1:09:03 Yeah. (laughs) There's plenty of those people willing to step up and act that way.

Joe Rogan 1:09:06 It's just a terrible place to, like, be a human. And in that environment, it's so hard. Like, I so admire actors who are cool. I so admire them. 'Cause like, oh, you're just a guy. You just hang out ... Like Chris Pratt?

Yannis Pappas 1:09:21 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:09:21 Bro, he was ... If he was right here, he's feels like- like my friend from high school or something.

Yannis Pappas 1:09:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 He's like a regular guy. He just happens to be a giant movie star.

Yannis Pappas 1:09:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:29 Like, how did you do it? You- you got through. You're all right.

Yannis Pappas 1:09:31 Well, his looks didn't hurt.

Joe Rogan 1:09:33 It helps.

Yannis Pappas 1:09:33 Yeah, it helps a little bit, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:34 A lot. But you could also be a douche with looks like that.

Yannis Pappas 1:09:36 You can be, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:37 You know?

Yannis Pappas 1:09:37 Yeah. If you are, it's like, why?

Joe Rogan 1:09:40 Right. (laughs) You already won the lottery if you do.

Yannis Pappas 1:09:41 If you're a douche and you look like that, you're like, "Well, dude, like-"

Joe Rogan 1:09:43 He's a fucking-

Yannis Pappas 1:09:44 "Take it easy."

Joe Rogan 1:09:44 ... sweetheart of a guy.

Yannis Pappas 1:09:45 Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of guys like that. Like, I've always loved Ethan Hawke. He says a lot of profound things. He seems like a real normal guy. He lives in Brooklyn.

Joe Rogan 1:09:53 Yeah, he seems brilliant.

Yannis Pappas 1:09:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:53 Did you see that new movie? The, uh ...

Yannis Pappas 1:09:55 I haven't seen it yet.

Joe Rogan 1:09:56 What is it called? The new Netflix movie. It's an apocalyptic-

Yannis Pappas 1:10:00 Oh, it sucked.

Joe Rogan 1:10:01 ... end of the world movie.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:01 Oh, I didn't like it.

Narrator 1:10:02 I didn't like it?

Yannis Pappas 1:10:02 Yeah, I did see it. No, I did not like it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:04 How dare you. What is it called?

Narrator 1:10:05 Leave the World Behind?

Yannis Pappas 1:10:06 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:06 Leave the World Behind. You thought it sucked?

Yannis Pappas 1:10:07 I didn't like it. I didn't like it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:07 What did you not like about it?

Yannis Pappas 1:10:09 I just thought it ... I don't know. It just didn't-

Joe Rogan 1:10:10 I loved it.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:11 You loved it?

Joe Rogan 1:10:11 Loved it.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:12 Yeah, I didn't like it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:13 Yeah, the only thing I didn't love was the animals showing up in their backyard. I'm like, "This doesn't-"

Yannis Pappas 1:10:16 That seemed a little over the top.

Joe Rogan 1:10:18 It doesn't make any sense.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:18 It seems a little over the top. If I think what I didn't like about it, it seemed a little over the top.

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 What that was-

Yannis Pappas 1:10:22 I liked the theme of it. I liked how they kind of turned on each other a little bit.

Joe Rogan 1:10:26 Yeah, but not too much.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:27 Not too much.

Joe Rogan 1:10:28 But it's coming.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:29 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:29 Yeah. You think they're preparing us? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:31 (laughs) Yeah. Well, for- for sure, they set up a r- an affair.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:34 Get a bunker. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:34 For sure, Ethan's weak and the other dude is strong.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:37 And, you know, that's gonna work out well.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:39 You know? I mean, there's not enough people.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:41 Yeah. Julia Roberts still looks great.

Joe Rogan 1:10:43 Yeah.

Yannis Pappas 1:10:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:10:44 You know, the- the- the thing that threw me off in that movie was the fake animals, the CGI animals. Like, that does ... So, you know, like, you just took me away. You've developed this intense psychological thriller. You don't need this- have this weird animal mystery thing in the middle of it, and you don't ev-

Yannis Pappas 1:10:58 And it didn't even go anywhere.

Joe Rogan 1:10:59 Exactly.

Yannis Pappas 1:11:00 Yeah, it just-

Joe Rogan 1:11:00 It do- Well, there's no logic behind it.

Yannis Pappas 1:11:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:02 There's no reason why the animals would all just show up in your backyard like that.

Yannis Pappas 1:11:05 And they never explained it, or nothing ever happened to them.

Joe Rogan 1:11:07 Unless you live in Texas.

Yannis Pappas 1:11:08 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:08 There are everywhere.

Yannis Pappas 1:11:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:09 But they're everywhere every day.

Yannis Pappas 1:11:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:11 This- this- this movie was great and not so great in the- in the same time. Like, that part was not so great.

Yannis Pappas 1:11:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:17 'Cause it didn't make any sense. But the rest of it did make sense, that people do go sideways, you know?

Yannis Pappas 1:11:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:11:23 I thought that, um ... Who was, um ... Who played the guy that, uh ... Oh, Kevin Bacon.