Joe Rogan Experience #2101 - Bret Weinstein

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. BWBret Weinstein0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Very funny text you sent me the other day. You said, "I hope we have something to talk about." (laughs)

   4. BWBret Weinstein0:18

      Well, you know, the, the fact is, the world's gotten kind of calm, so...

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      (laughs)

   6. BWBret Weinstein0:23

      I was hoping, uh, I looked out the window of the hotel this morning, thinking the weather might help us. No, boring as can be.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:29

      It's beautiful, birds chirping, while who knows what lies on the horizon. Um, I did not watch the Super Bowl, but I got a ton of messages from people that watched it that are like, "What the fuck is going on?" Like, the Super Bowl was a gigantic propaganda camp- campaign, and there's Pfizer ads and weird woke commercials, and...

   8. BWBret Weinstein0:49

      It was, it was bizarre. Uh, I did watch it, you know, I had nothing else to do and I probably wouldn't have watched it otherwise, but, but I did watch it and it was like some running inside joke. You had to know who these people were in order to even just be with the flow. I mean, obviously the game is what it is, but all of the stuff surrounding it was like, you're either embedded in this culture or it's kind of a head-scratcher.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15

      I did not see any of it, so I don't, I wasn't watching the Super Bowl last night. I was busy, so I don't know what happened.

   10. BWBret Weinstein1:22

       Uh, i- well, let's put it this way, I'm not a football aficionado by any stretch, but it was a pretty exciting game. I mean, it came down to the last seconds of overtime and, uh, you know, it was a hell of a comeback, so...

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       There are a ton of conspiracies about the way it was officiated, and that, the, the fix was in with Travis Kelce being sponsored by Pfizer, and Taylor Swift, and Taylor Swift's music catalog being owned by some mega-corporation that has shady ties. (laughs)

   12. BWBret Weinstein1:54

       Well, I have to say, I was watching it and I, you know, I didn't have a dog in the fight. I wasn't really rooting for either team. I was just trying to get the sense of, uh, you know, what, what the game was like, um, but I did find myself, in the end, rooting against Taylor Swift.

   13. JRJoe Rogan2:09

       (laughs)

   14. BWBret Weinstein2:10

       And I...

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:11

       This is, uh, the Biden thing that they posted.

   16. BWBret Weinstein2:14

       After his bedtime.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:15

       "Just like we drew it up." And it's Biden with these, you know, red robot eyes. Why would they do that? Why, why, just why would they make that? Like, that, just that alone, like, what are you saying? Like, what are you doing? Like, imagine that's the president of the United States. Just, I want you to imagine Ronald Reagan if, if social media was alive, posting a photograph like that. Or Bill Clinton.

   18. BWBret Weinstein2:39

       Well, I mean, I do know what they're doing, right? This is, they, they have a very weak meme game, but they do have moments when they show some kind of spark in this regard, and I detest it. I think they have an obligation to be above this stuff and to not, uh, troll, but, you know, in a world where Trump is a political force, they're trying to, uh, you know, they're trying to build a, a game in the same arena, and they're, they're gonna get crushed, but, um, but that's why they did it, you know? And obviously, it's, it's the machine that did it. Biden had to do it.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:15

       It's kind of amazing that the left can't meme.

   20. BWBret Weinstein3:18

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       'Cause they're really bad at it, because they're denying so many truths. Like, in order to adhere to the ideology, you have to be so rigid in what you accept as truth, and there's so many things that just don't jive with that, that you can't really meme well when you're doing that. Like, what memes are, is pointing things out li- th- and exaggerating them in a way where people kind of know that this is the case, and then you make a preposterous image and everybody laughs. But the left can't really do that, because a lot of those memes are very offensive and funny.

   22. BWBret Weinstein3:57

       Well, I, I think it has, it's actually a window into not really the left. I mean, as you know, I don't, I, I feel myself of the left, but I don't relate-

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:09

       As do I.

   24. BWBret Weinstein4:09

       ... to these people at all.

   25. JRJoe Rogan4:11

       Or, nor do I.

   26. BWBret Weinstein4:11

       And-

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:12

       It's, something weird happened and we got kicked out. (laughs)

   28. BWBret Weinstein4:14

       Yeah, it got taken over by something diabolical.

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:17

       Yeah.

   30. BWBret Weinstein4:18

       And you know, what you're pointing to, it's the same thing. It has no sense of humor, right?
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Have you seen what…

   1. BWBret Weinstein15:00

      a highly adaptable, somewhat technological creature. You know, our Stone Age ancestors were technological in the sense that they could flint- flintknapp a weapon, um, or a tool, but not highly technological. But nonetheless, the game has persisted as we have become organized into larger and larger social entities and to societies, and it hasn't fundamentally changed now. So, what these elites are doing is they are attempting to gain control, to consolidate it, and to arrange to protect it into a future which they see as increasingly chaotic and dangerous. As the people of Earth become aware that they have no plan for the future, that most of us have nothing meaningful to do with our lives, that w- even the systems that feed us and sustain us energetically are built on rickety premises, they know that there's a reckoning coming, and so they're preparing for it. And, you know, what you saw at the Super Bowl, or didn't see but might have, is the distraction, right? The stuff that we are fed so that we'll think about things that other than our long-term prospects in light of, uh, elites who, frankly, don't give a shit about us.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:21

      Have you seen what happened in, uh, Europe with the farmers?

   3. BWBret Weinstein16:24

      (laughs) I've been watching that, yes.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      Yeah. It seems like they, at least temporarily, have won.

   5. BWBret Weinstein16:30

      Th- they have won, but-

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:33

      Let's explain what we're talking about.

   7. BWBret Weinstein16:35

      All right. Well, may- maybe you should explain what you've seen. I've watched massive protests of farmers who are increasingly, um, angry and organized about regulations that make, um, farming increasingly difficult, unproductive, and unprofitable.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:58

      If I was a conspiratorially-minded person, what I would say is what they're trying to do is take over these farms, and the best way to do that is to enact legislation and rules that limit their b- profitable... Well, first of all, farms are always very difficult to run. They're very difficult to maintain profitability. They're- th- they're- they struggle. And it's a terrible shame that the people that provide us the thing that we need to survive, ultimately food, that we've done something to these people to make it more difficult for them to do it while it's already insanely difficult. It requires incredible hours, i- in- incredibly difficult, highly stressful. There's so many moving pieces just to provide food for all these people, and they started enacting legislation to limit the amount of fertilizer they're allowed to use, to limit the amount of animals they have. I know in Ireland, they- they proposed something where they want to kill a certain amount of, uh, the cows, because they're saying that the cows produce methane. It's fucking insane. It's not scientific. It's not something voted on. It's not something agreed upon by scientists, biologists, certainly not, uh, debated.... a- when you're talking about regenerative farming practices, like, people that have provided significant options for farming the way ... Like, whatever the issues that they have, where they can actually sequester carbon in the soil and make these farms carbon-neutral. It's been demonstrated. It's not theory. It's been done in America. Polyface Farms, uh, White Oaks Pastures are two great examples of that, but there's many regenerative farms. Can be done. And for whatever reason, they have decided to enact these harsh limitations on these farmers' abilities to provide food for people. Cynically, when I look at something like that, I'm like, "I think what they would do is do that, cripple the farmers' ability to make money, the farms go under, they take over, they control the food supply."

   9. BWBret Weinstein19:10

      Right. And you s- y- I hear you, uh, working overtime not to see what's in front of you. And I, I agree. We all have-

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       Well, I'm just being fair.

   11. BWBret Weinstein19:20

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:21

       You know? I'm, I'm just m- making it as ... I'm, I'm trying to steel man it as much as possible.

   13. BWBret Weinstein19:27

       Right. But if you take the, if you take the objective of the game as profit, it's not exactly clear what the end game is. If you take the objective of the game as p- a, as power and control-

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:40

       Yeah.

   15. BWBret Weinstein19:41

       ... then it's pretty clear.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:43

       That's the best way to control the food supply.

   17. BWBret Weinstein19:45

       I mean-

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:45

       You just put the farmers outta business.

   19. BWBret Weinstein19:47

       Who's gonna challenge you-

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:48

       Right.

   21. BWBret Weinstein19:49

       ... if their ability to eat requires them to embrace whatever nonsense-

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:53

       Yes.

   23. BWBret Weinstein19:53

       ... you're feeding them? Yes.

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:54

       And all you would have to do is start some sort of famine and just make it very difficult for people to get food, and people panic, and-

   25. BWBret Weinstein20:02

       Mm-hmm. Right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:02

       And when people panic, especially people with limited resources and limited financial ability, they, they concede.

   27. BWBret Weinstein20:09

       They do. M-

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:10

       And that's what we saw during the pandemic. I mean, it was a, it was a great test run to see how much control you can really have over people as soon as you have some sort of major issue that everyone globally has to deal with.

   29. BWBret Weinstein20:25

       Right. Um, of course, simultaneously, they make it difficult for those of us who recognize what is, uh, unfolding to make ourselves self-sufficient. So, you see weird regulations against, you know, ancient things like unpasteurized dairy, uh-

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:44

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   No, I'm, I'm worried…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      serving beef short rib. You know? It's like, what, what do you really believe, and why are you saying what you're saying? And do you think that because you're so protected now, because you go from limousine to private jet to major hotel surrounded by armed security back and forth, your interaction with a person who's, like, trying to deal with their bills, trying to deal with their bullshit, trying to deal with, you know, mortgage payments, and whether or not they can afford to pay their taxes, and that kind of shit. You're completely removed from any financial strife. I mean, once you get into that caddy-... You're n-... I mean, I'm nowhere near those people, and I don't worry about it, so they must not worry about it.They can't. They, they can't ever think that it's going to be an issue, because it's not an issue. It's just like human beings have this inability to recognize anything that they don't immediately interact with. Everything else becomes abstract. Like, even the whole climate emergency. It's a great thing to talk about. It's a great talking point for people that need something to wave a flag for, and scream and protest, and block the highway for. It's a great m- mechanism in that regard. But are you really worried about it every day? I'm not worried about it every day. Every day I wake up, I'm like, "It's pretty much just like yesterday." It's not that much different.

   2. BWBret Weinstein31:21

      No, I'm, I'm worried about it less and less, in fact.

   3. JRJoe Rogan31:23

      I'm worried about it less and less as well. And also, because the way China's, uh, uh, uh, taking it on, which is not at all. China's building power plants left and right. They've got 100 coal plants being built right now, plus. More than 100, right? What was it, Jamie?

   4. NANarrator31:37

      Uh, I think so.

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:39

      I think it was, like, close to 200. They're, they're not l- ... And they are the number one, them and India. They're the people that are dumping shit into the air. You gonna ... Killing cows isn't gonna put one half of 1% of a fucking dent in the amount of greenhouse gases that get emitted. It's not a lot.

   6. BWBret Weinstein31:59

      No, it ... Let's put it this way. I think we have to have one caution, which is just because they're using it to manipulate us doesn't mean that there's not some underlying truth there. But if I-

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:09

      Yes.

   8. BWBret Weinstein32:09

      ... look at-

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:10

      Good point.

   10. BWBret Weinstein32:11

       ... you know, where the water line was when I was a kid versus now, it hasn't budged. That alerts me to something. I do think I've seen a little bit of glacial retreat in places that I knew, but it's not a lot.

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:28

       Well, also, isn't that ano- ... Um, regardless of whether or not people are polluting the world, and I think they 100% are, and I'm 100% on board. Look, if you go to Los Angeles from the 1960s and 1970s and look at the air, and then you look at the emission standards that were enacted, catalytic converters, the way they changed how cars work, it is much better now.

   12. BWBret Weinstein32:50

       So much better.

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:50

       Substantially better. Clear indication that these regulations that were smart and intentional, they worked. They did something good. It's better. It still sucks, you know, but, but if you go to Mexico City, you realize there is a giant difference. I took photos when I flew into Mexico City for the UFC, and you c- ... It looks like there's a fire. It was like there's a fire on the ground. Like, there's so much smoke, and it's just an everyday part of their life. If they had the same regulations that they enacted in Los Angeles, that would lead to cleaner air and better health outcomes for pretty much all of their citizens. We all, we, we both agree to that.

   14. BWBret Weinstein33:28

       100%. I mean, in fact, when I travel to places like this and I think, "Oh, wouldn't it be cool to live here?" I always think, "Yup, and, you know, how much does your life expectancy go down because of the amount of pollutant you're breathing every day?" So yeah, good regulations are-

   15. JRJoe Rogan33:43

       Critical.

   16. BWBret Weinstein33:43

       Critical. And in fact, we, we just moved, uh, recently from-

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:47

       Don't tell anybody where you live.

   18. BWBret Weinstein33:48

       (laughs) I'm not gonna tell them where I live, but-

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:50

       (laughs)

   20. BWBret Weinstein33:50

       ... I did move from Oregon to Washington. And Oregon and Washington deal very differently.

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:54

       You moved from the frying pan right into the fire, sir. (laughs)

   22. BWBret Weinstein33:57

       R-

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:57

       You're a glutton for punishment.

   24. BWBret Weinstein33:59

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan33:59

       What's wrong with you?

   26. BWBret Weinstein34:00

       I, um-

   27. JRJoe Rogan34:01

       You need to get you a gun, bring you out to here to God's country.

   28. BWBret Weinstein34:03

       Uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan34:04

       Get yourself a ranch, Brett Weinstein.

   30. BWBret Weinstein34:06

       R- we've, we've got guns.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   I think it's a…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      I think it promotes racism because it makes people that are, like, on the fence racist angry and they go the other way. They go hard. And there's a bunch of people that feel like they have to be racist because they're being discriminated against and no one cares, and for people that aren't thoughtful and people that don't spend a lot of time and, you know, really consider their position on things, I think they, they tend to react in a way that is, you know, you- you're, you're reacting in an impulsive way because you feel threatened, and it's not logical, and so it doesn't reflect your actual real values of how you really would think about people if everybody would just treat everybody as normal, everybody as in- as the same thing. You know? And that the idea that even the f- the goal of that itself, to aspire to a color-blind society is somehow racist, is, that doesn't make any sense.

   2. BWBret Weinstein45:57

      I think it's a pretty good... Th- this is exactly why I'm concerned that these people just don't know what they're doing.

   3. JRJoe Rogan46:04

      Yeah.

   4. BWBret Weinstein46:05

      Right? They tried to create racial strife to distract from their, uh, their bankruptcy, their moral bankruptcy. Right? They were staving off the French Revolution by getting us to turn on each other. Well, that worked a little bit for a while, but it also created a lot of interest in talking about what they were up to and, uh, it created an entire alternative media space in which people who didn't want any part of that nonsense, um, actually, uh, gained credibility in the public's eyes, people who might never have been heard of in, in wider circles if not for this. So, they didn't anticipate that they were going to create an alternative to the media that they controlled. That's how little they understand. They didn't realize that at some point, if they tried to push the idea that, you know, fat is beautiful, that, uh, you're somehow morally defective if you're not attracted to trans people, by pushing that nonsense, they created a rebellion, they forced people to actually consider these things which made a lot of us reject them. And by rejecting them, there's now a, a very influential if not powerful group of people across a wide spectrum discussing what those elites are up to. Right? We even, I think, have elites of our own. I, I, I can't be certain, but Musk doesn't look like he's on their team to me.

   5. JRJoe Rogan47:47

      He's not on their team.

   6. BWBret Weinstein47:48

      That's what I think.

   7. JRJoe Rogan47:49

      Well, he's insanely wealthy and independent and an actual, legitimate genius in a world of fools.

   8. BWBret Weinstein47:58

      Right, and I think-

   9. JRJoe Rogan47:59

      Not flawless.

   10. BWBret Weinstein48:00

       Not flawless.

   11. JRJoe Rogan48:01

       H- he gets out of line every now and then, he gets a little wacky.

   12. BWBret Weinstein48:04

       He does.

   13. JRJoe Rogan48:04

       But he's fun.

   14. BWBret Weinstein48:05

       He's restless.

   15. JRJoe Rogan48:06

       He's a fun guy to have at the helm.

   16. BWBret Weinstein48:08

       And I think, uh, he looks at the, he looks at what is being plotted against us and sees it as a fun challenge to confront it, so that-

   17. JRJoe Rogan48:19

       Yeah, and he has the resources to do it, unlike most people, and has the courage to do something like completely overpay for Twitter and then have the advertisers lock him out, and literally in a discussion with, with the guy from The New York Times he goes, "Go fuck yourself. Go fuck... Let me be clear, go fuck yourself."

   18. BWBret Weinstein48:40

       Yep.

   19. JRJoe Rogan48:40

       "I don't care. You trying to blackmail me with money? Go fuck yourself."

   20. BWBret Weinstein48:44

       Right, and-

   21. JRJoe Rogan48:45

       Nobody does that.

   22. BWBret Weinstein48:46

       Well, uh, I, on the one hand nobody does it, on the other hand I wonder why more people don't, because the fact is he's demonstrating that not only does it work, short-term it has costs, but long-term he's not exactly losing. Right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan49:00

       No, but he's also, he's a child of the internet in the sense that, like, he makes memes, he posts memes. Like when you post that meme of Bill Clinton, or excuse me of Bill Gates-... next to the emoji of a pregnant man-

   24. BWBret Weinstein49:15

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan49:15

       ... and said, "When you want to lose a boner real quick."

   26. BWBret Weinstein49:18

       Yeah. (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan49:19

       That's wild, because you can't even say, "Oh, fuck that guy, he's a dumbass." It's literally one of the smartest human beings alive and the wealthiest man alive.

   28. BWBret Weinstein49:27

       Right.

   29. JRJoe Rogan49:27

       And he's dunking on you on a platform that he owns now.

   30. BWBret Weinstein49:32

       Right.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      And if they can get away with it, especially if your boss is busy running SpaceX and Tesla. I mean, how the fuck can that guy do ... Oh, and The Boring Company, sorry, you know? And having 150 kids. How? How does that guy have time?

   2. BWBret Weinstein1:00:16

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      I have three kids and I can't fucking pay attention to half the shit (laughs) that's going on in the world. If I was ru- like, I have issues sometimes at my club where I have to like put out social fires, and I'm like, "Uh, what is ac- actually happening?" And I have to like, kind of like forensically a- analyze each and every conflict, m- measure personalities, like, "Was this person susceptible to doing something?" And maybe they, they don't seem to be honest. Like, "Something's going on here. What's the actual truth? Do I get these two people together and ..." It's ... Fuck, man. And that's a simple thing, like a comedy club with 100 employees, it's not that big a deal. You know? This motherfucker's running Twitter, SpaceX, Tesla, and The Boring Company, and he's providing Starlink satellites to Ukraine and all other parts of the world, and you could, you could put one on your fucking camper and get 5G in the middle of the desert. Like, what?

   4. BWBret Weinstein1:01:11

      Right, at the same time that he's like-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:12

      At the same time?

   6. BWBret Weinstein1:01:13

      ... memeing people into submission.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

      How?

   8. BWBret Weinstein1:01:15

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

      Every time I text him, I'm like, "How are you responding to me? How do you have the fucking time?"

   10. BWBret Weinstein1:01:20

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       "How do you do that? I can't keep up. I have like 89 text messages that I have to get to at the end of this podcast."

   12. BWBret Weinstein1:01:27

       ... yeah. It, it's, it's amazing, uh, what he's able to do. And that he-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       It's insane.

   14. BWBret Weinstein1:01:32

       ... he has a taste for it, I think.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       So how could he possibly be paying attention to h- how people are trending and what's allowed and what's not allowed?

   16. BWBret Weinstein1:01:38

       Oh, I don't think, I don't think he can be.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       He can't.

   18. BWBret Weinstein1:01:40

       All he can do is put people in charge and he can give them marching orders and say, "I don't want this thing to, uh, to have its thumb on the scales."

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:50

       Is he aware of this dilemma? You should al- uh, you should alert him to this.

   20. BWBret Weinstein1:01:56

       Here's the problem.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       Okay.

   22. BWBret Weinstein1:01:57

       Okay? And I don't know what this means and I wasn't, I was not gonna mention this.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:02

       Uh-oh.

   24. BWBret Weinstein1:02:02

       But this is the very thing ... So, I went to see Musk, as I mentioned.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:08

       Mm-hmm.

   26. BWBret Weinstein1:02:08

       We had a very good discussion. Um, I spent about a half an hour with him. At the end of it, he said that he thought it was a good discussion and he wanted to meet again. And I said, "Anytime," of course. On my trip back home, literally from that meeting, my Twitter account got hijacked for the first time ever. I've never had an account hijacked. But my Twitter account got hijacked and it started putting out some crazy spam stuff. And I was concerned about it because not only is it alarming to have your account captured, but I had been DMing with Musk, including encrypted DMs. Now, there wasn't anything sensitive in there, but you can imagine in my shoes, the last thing you want is somebody captures your account and they start exposing communications with Musk that maybe he doesn't want-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:57

       Right.

   28. BWBret Weinstein1:02:57

       ... public. So I contacted him, right? In alarm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:01

       Yes.

   30. BWBret Weinstein1:03:01

       And I said, "My account's been captured. Not sure what to do about it." We were in a discussion and, uh, we were talking about the fact that the account itself has weird, uh, behavior on Twitter.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:28:27

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. BWBret Weinstein1:15:00

      So, the basic pattern is this. I believe the pathogens exist.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:05

      Mm-hmm.

   3. BWBret Weinstein1:15:05

      I believe that I have contracted a pathogen three times in four years. Does it have to be one pathogen? No, I'm open to the possibility it was a couple different things. But mostly, we're talking about not in the traditional season for flu.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:20

      Did you get tested for RSV?

   5. BWBret Weinstein1:15:22

      Um, I didn't, but I did talk to Pierre Kory about it, and there was no reason to think it was gonna be RSV. Um, so anyway, my point is, I don't believe there was no pathogen, because I believe that something that followed the pattern of a pathogen is in the world.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:41

      Also, the pathogen is clearly documented.

   7. BWBret Weinstein1:15:44

      Well, I agree with you, it's clearly documented, but it's not that the people who are arguing there's no pathogen don't have responses. And so, you know, we saw a lot of shenanigans with thr- uh, cycle thresholds on PCR. So, there are ways-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:58

      Yes.

   9. BWBret Weinstein1:15:58

      ... to create the impression of a pandemic that did not require there to be an actual pathogen.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:16:04

       Well, it was also one of the rare times where being asymptomatic didn't, you, you were still considered sick.

   11. BWBret Weinstein1:16:13

       Yeah, and that was likely, uh, nonsense, or largely nonsense.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:16:16

       Well, la- it was, like, some wild number. Like, 65% of the people who were diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 were asymptomatic, and this was also during the PCR cycle days of 40 cycles.

   13. BWBret Weinstein1:16:29

       Right. So, so the point is, all right, we know that there are various tricks you can play, and that we know that they were played, that people who died of things that had nothing to do with any infectious disease were categorized as d-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:16:41

       Right.

   15. BWBret Weinstein1:16:42

       ... dying with COVID or of COVID.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:16:43

       And that they were financially incentivized to do so.

   17. BWBret Weinstein1:16:45

       We know all of those games were played. And so-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:16:47

       Yeah.

   19. BWBret Weinstein1:16:48

       ... from my perspective, I believe that most of what happened could have been arranged without a pathogen. That said, I believe there was one. Now, but, but the larger point, you asked me, um, who, who, what is the f- infighting in the COVID community? The fact is, those who believe that there was a pathogen are viewed as shills, or-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:17:10

       Ugh. (laughs)

   21. BWBret Weinstein1:17:10

       ... limited hangouts by those who believe that there wasn't one.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:17:14

       Can I ask you this? There's this thing that they say, the, the, the conspiracy theorists, the never biologists say, is that COVID has never been isolated.

   23. BWBret Weinstein1:17:26

       Yeah, I, I don't think this is true. I, I think what you want is somebody who is, um, skilled in the molecular side of this story to talk you through what is and isn't correct.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:17:38

       Can you d- just expand on that? This idea that keeps getting propagated that COVID has never been isolated.

   25. BWBret Weinstein1:17:48

       So, I, I'm, I can't really explore that evidence, 'cause I'm not well-versed in it. I can tell you who I trust on this topic, and I would s- I would say talk to Kevin McKiernan. All right? He can tell you what's been seen and what hasn't. The problem is, I mean, you read, uh, Bobby Kennedy's-

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:18:11

       Yes.

   27. BWBret Weinstein1:18:11

       ... book about Fauci.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:18:13

       Yes.

   29. BWBret Weinstein1:18:13

       Right? And y- you remember in that book that there is an exploration of what happened with HIV.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:18:21

       Mm-hmm.

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