Joe Rogan Experience #2104 - Chris Williamson

1. 0:00 – 2:23

   Moving to Texas, culture shock, and small “freedom” laws (vapes/nicotine)

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night! All day! (rock music plays) Cheers, sir. (glasses clink) Peace.

   4. CWChris Williamson0:17

      Cheers.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Mm. (glass thuds)

   6. CWChris Williamson0:19

      What is that? Black Rifle?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Black Rifle, yeah. What up, Chris? What's up, baby? How are ya?

   8. CWChris Williamson0:22

      Good to see you, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      H- so, how long you been in Texas now?

   10. CWChris Williamson0:25

       Two years.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Wow.

   12. CWChris Williamson0:27

       First-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Do you feel like this is where you live? Or do you like, every day-

   14. CWChris Williamson0:30

       This feels like home. Now.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Really?

   16. CWChris Williamson0:31

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Wow.

   18. CWChris Williamson0:32

       Yeah. I went back home for Christmas in the UK, and it's so strange to go back to a place that you know so well, you're super familiar with, but you're kind of different. And everything's changed, but everything's the same, and you fall back into old patterns. You remember that tree that you used to walk past on your morning walk and all of ... It's very disquieting. But it's fun. It's nice.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       The oddest thing for me is the contrast in the amount of freedom you have for things that you would never think were important. Like, uh, these little nicotine things? In California, you can't buy this because it's flavored.

   20. CWChris Williamson1:08

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       In California, you can put a tent in front of people's houses and fucking cook meth and no one says anything, no one does anything. You could commit violent crime, and you get arrested and released with no bail. They never find you again. There's the, there's ... The laws are so ridiculous. But, you are not allowed to have flavored nicotine. Flavored nicotine is dangerous, Chris.

   22. CWChris Williamson1:33

       They're trying to ban flavored vapes in the UK very aggressively.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       (laughs)

   24. CWChris Williamson1:39

       Super aggressively. It's like, that's the big deal. That being said-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       (laughs)

   26. CWChris Williamson1:42

       ... I think it's like some non-insignificant percentage of schoolchildren are using vapes. Like there's a-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       It's very addictive.

   28. CWChris Williamson1:48

       There's a No Vapes sign-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson1:51

       ... in schools. Like, like that wasn't something that was already self-evident.
2. 2:23 – 4:41

   Old DUI footage, seatbelts, and the slippery slope of regulation

   1. CWChris Williamson2:23

      Dude, have you ever seen the video of when DUIs came in in the 1980s-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      Yes.

   3. CWChris Williamson2:28

      ... and they're interviewing people in cars?

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:30

      Yeah.

   5. CWChris Williamson2:30

      That is one of my favorite-

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:32

      (laughs)

   7. CWChris Williamson2:32

      ... videos of all time. Please, Jamie, let me watch that video again.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:36

      Yeah. The, the lady's like, "We'll s- we're gonna bring in communism." (laughs)

   9. CWChris Williamson2:41

      (laughs) "Don't know what the world's coming to."

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       "Men can't work all day and ..."

   11. CWChris Williamson2:43

       And she's got a kid!

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:44

       Yeah.

   13. CWChris Williamson2:45

       She's got a baby-

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       Yeah.

   15. CWChris Williamson2:46

       ... in the passenger seat.

   16. JRJoe Rogan2:47

       No seatbelt.

   17. CWChris Williamson2:48

       Oh my god.

   18. JRJoe Rogan2:49

       And even if you did have a seatbelt, there's no airbags. Those things are deathtraps.

   19. CWChris Williamson2:52

       It's one of my favorite videos.

   20. JRJoe Rogan2:54

       (laughs)

   21. CWChris Williamson2:54

       There's this weird, something I've noticed since being in America. Your guys' uh, relationship with drink driving is a little bit more lax than it is-

   22. JRJoe Rogan3:02

       Really?

   23. CWChris Williamson3:02

       ... in the UK. Yeah. The number of-

   24. JRJoe Rogan3:04

       Not in Texas. If you, if you have any alcohol in your system at all, they'll arrest you. Like if you, if you get pulled over and they said, "Have you had anything to drink?" And you say, "Yes, I have had one drink," you're getting, you're getting arrested.

   25. CWChris Williamson3:16

       Serious, I fucking love this video.

   26. NANarrator3:16

       Drinking and driving-

   27. CWChris Williamson3:18

       Yeah.

   28. NANarrator3:18

       ... here is viewed by some as downright undemocratic.

   29. It's kinda getting communist when a fella can't, uh, put in a hard day's work, put in 11, 12 hours a day. And then get in your truck and at least rain one or two beers.

   30. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       (laughs)
3. 4:41 – 8:36

   Crime, childhood roots, and what society chooses to fund

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:41

      Okay, hold on a second. Okay. "During the 1950s, the American public and the judicial system were still erring on the side of the drunk driver. Oddly enough, some people were concerned with the mechanization of measuring sobriety was somehow not fitting with the American way." Kinda isn't. It kinda isn't. But also, you shouldn't drink and drive. Like both things are true. We should like teach people that you should never fucking do that. The, the ... I went to high school with a kid, and um, he was a good guy. I, I knew him from the time I was like 14. And then when, I guess a s- senior in high school, he was drunk and he crashed his car and killed his friend. And I remember running into him on the street, we were both walking, and I walked by him and he, he, he just had his head down. And you know, I wasn't good friends with him, but I was friends with him. I always said hi to him. I said hi to him. I said, "Hey man, how you doing?" He's like, "Eh." He was done. He was done. His life was over, man. He wasn't, he wasn't, you know, a regular kid anymore. He was a kid who killed his friend in a drunk driving accident. It was, it was a different human. Like his life, he was this one guy who was like a normal guy, fun guy. People liked him. He was a friendly guy. And then all of a sudden, a pariah. All the sudden everyone knows what you did. All the sudden what you did, you can't believe you did. This horrible, horrible, horrible thing.... and you did it when you were so young.

   2. CWChris Williamson6:04

      A kid.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:05

      He was s- he was 16, 17, whatever he was. He didn't know what he was doing. He had no idea. Nobody... No... Th- you're so stupid when you're that young. Your brain's not formed yet. And you can't treat them like they're adults. You just can't. They're not adults. You know? You're talking about a 16-year-old kid, a 15-year-old kid, like fuck, what... When they're doing things, they don't even know what's real. I mean, and it's all completely dependent upon how they were raised. Like, you could get really lucky and have solid parents, and really have like a good understanding of how to behave in the world. Or you could get fucked and you got some dad who beats the shit out of you, and he's always on meth, and your mother's a fucking liar, and she steals money, and she, she sells people stuff. You know, that's, that could be your reality too. And to expect a person like that to behave exactly the way you do with your nice life is crazy. It's crazy. And it's one of the weirder things that we do. Instead of, instead of looking at the origins of... What are, what are the origins of horrible behavior? It's all terrible childhoods. It's almost all terrible childhoods. Instead of looking at that, all we look at is the crime. It's very strange. It's a weird thing. It's like, to know logically that you just have to take a few extra steps and say, "Well, what's the root of this problem and how do we address that? How do we make it better?" We have so much money for other things. We don't have any money for that? That seems like one of the most fundamental problems any country would face, is the amount of people that grow up that become violent criminals because they were fucked from the time they were young. They had no shot at life. Their whole childhood was just violence and chaos. And that's not an insignificant number of people in this country. And yet, pfft, any foreign conflict has to be addressed with the utmost urgency. When the things that are paramount to our daily existence right here, what, what our tax dollars pay for right here, are just completely ignored. Completely ignored. Never discussed. They'll talk to you about climate change. Climate change? Let me tell you something. If you live in the South Side of Chicago and you get shot, climate change doesn't mean jack shit to you. Okay? (laughs) We should address, we should address what the fuck is going on right now, not w- not climate change.

4. 8:36 – 11:16

   “Luxury beliefs,” status signaling, and unintended downstream harms

   1. CWChris Williamson8:36

      Do you know what the idea is of luxury beliefs are? Have you heard of this?

   2. JRJoe Rogan8:39

      No.

   3. CWChris Williamson8:40

      So, it's been re-popularized by my friend, Rob Henderson. So, luxury beliefs are ideas held by the upper classes that confer status on them-

   4. JRJoe Rogan8:48

      Hmm.

   5. CWChris Williamson8:49

      ... but often cause costs for the lower class. So, the seminal example of this is defund the police.

   6. JRJoe Rogan8:56

      Yeah.

   7. CWChris Williamson8:56

      I walked past a house in Austin, not far from where I live, that has a defund the police flag in the garden out front-

   8. JRJoe Rogan9:04

      (groans)

   9. CWChris Williamson9:04

      ... and a private security sticker in the front window.

   10. JRJoe Rogan9:12

       (laughs) It's so stupid. It's such a virtue. You know... Do you know Will Storr?

   11. CWChris Williamson9:20

       Of course. He's been on my show.

   12. JRJoe Rogan9:21

       Yeah.

   13. CWChris Williamson9:21

       I was... I went for breakfast with him yesterday.

   14. JRJoe Rogan9:22

       He's great. And-

   15. CWChris Williamson9:23

       He's fantastic.

   16. JRJoe Rogan9:24

       ... of course you know him. Um, Will Storr who wrote that book, The Status Game, was explaining all this and how, what people are doing, what they're actually doing.

   17. CWChris Williamson9:32

       He's outstanding. So-

   18. JRJoe Rogan9:33

       So good.

   19. CWChris Williamson9:34

       There's a-

   20. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       And it relates it to so many behavior patterns in life. You're just like, "Oh my God, this all makes sense."

   21. CWChris Williamson9:39

       He's a legend of storytelling. He's one of the best writers in the UK. And, uh, yeah, there's this really interesting-

   22. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       (laughs)

   23. CWChris Williamson9:44

       ... example of... My friend, Mary Harrington, talks about how the death of chivalry has caused an increase in domestic violence. So, it's very interesting. So, this is a good example of this luxury beliefs thing. So, yes, during the 1960s and '70s, if you were an upper-class lady and the guys that you were dating were from households that had two parents, that had taught them how you're supposed to treat people and they weren't mistreated and all the rest, that they grew up like a well-balanced person, to them, it might seem a little bit patronizing for the guy to hold the door for you. Right? Or to pull the chair out. Or to make sure that you get home okay.

   24. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       Yeah.

   25. CWChris Williamson10:19

       Because you live in existence in which the danger of that not happening, not going appropriately isn't that great. Now, what wasn't understood by a lot of the upper-class feminists that were talking about this, uh, derogation of chivalry that they wanted, was that that doesn't necessarily work for the working class or the underclass woman who is dating a man whose father beat him, or step-father beat him, or didn't have a father, or was homeless, or addicted to drugs, or in violent crime. And she thinks it's a direct line, a single spectrum, from you should hold the door open for women to you shouldn't beat your wife. And I think that it's true. Women should be seen as something that requires additional protection, that are precious, and, and should be respected. If you derogate the stuff up here, sure, maybe it means that you liberate some of the working, the upper-class women to be able to go and do whatever they want, but what does this cause downstream when you don't have those guardrails in place for the men that the lower-class women are dating?

5. 11:16 – 13:53

   Violence, fairness, and why mismatched fights feel “wrong”

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:16

      Yeah, well, just all men, period. And it should be... And, and it's... Here's the thing that it... This is how it's looked upon in the martial arts world. If I know that I can fuck you up, and I fuck you up, I'm probably a bad person. It's never good that a guy who is like some trained killer goes after some regular guy, picks a fight with him, and fucks him up. It's never thought of as good. It's always negative. Like, almost entirely negative. Like, the entire fan base will recognize that terrible behavior. So, if you're a man and you have someone who is your wife, and she's smaller than you and female-You have the craziest advantage, physically. It's the most awful tyranny, physically, if violence is involved. If you decide that you're gonna start swinging and teaching people lessons, and, and then lying to police about how someone got hurt and, "Oh, she fell down the stairs." And if you grow up seeing that, that's even m- maybe more fucked up. 'Cause that's your model for w- and that's probably what their model was when they were growing up. But it's... As men, we have to look at that as the weakest of most disgusting behaviors, including beating up on people that are weak.

   2. CWChris Williamson12:48

      Well, that's the reason for the male monkey dance, as it's called. The reason for that is that it's rivalry between two potentially, uh, matched males, and we don't know who's going to win.

   3. JRJoe Rogan13:01

      Yeah.

   4. CWChris Williamson13:02

      That's the reason for the conflict.

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:04

      Yeah.

   6. CWChris Williamson13:04

      If there's a huge disparity, what's the point for the conflict? You already know who's going to win, right?

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:09

      Right.

   8. CWChris Williamson13:09

      That's why beating up a 70-year-old guy or a 10-year-old boy isn't a big deal. But if you're a 21-year-old dude that's about this hi-... This is exactly why you have weight classes, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan13:18

      Yeah.

   10. CWChris Williamson13:18

       It's to create this degree of intrigue and fairness in the rivalry.

   11. JRJoe Rogan13:23

       100%. 100%. Yeah, if a f- heavyweight beat up on a bantam weight, everyone would be furious. But that's what, like, a lot of men are and a lot of women are. It's, it's crazy. If that happened in the male martial arts world, people would be furious. It's just, it's just fucking h- it's horrible and it just... It's, it's weird that it's always been a part of, like, cinema. There's always been scenes where James Cagney smacks a girl in the face. And th- and, and there was one... God, I wish

6. 13:53 – 17:09

   Old Hollywood as a time capsule: spanking, propaganda vibes, and child stardom

   1. JRJoe Rogan13:53

      I could remember the movie. It was so crazy. But the, the... It was, like, a 1950s movie and the dad was spanking the, the, the wife. Spanking her. Like, had her over his knee. And the young girl was saying that that's how he shows mommy that he loves her. God. You remember that movie, Jamie? I know we played it. It was insane. It was, like, this insane scene from a movie, where you're like, "What?"

   2. CWChris Williamson14:23

      What the fuck am I watching?

   3. JRJoe Rogan14:24

      But it's, it's a time capsule into this evolving understanding of how human beings interact with each other. That's what it is. And it's a time capsule from less than 100 years ago.

   4. CWChris Williamson14:34

      What was that super famous-

   5. JVJamie Vernon14:35

      Is this Shirley Temple? I don't know.

   6. JRJoe Rogan14:36

      Yes. Yes, it's Shirley Temple. That's what it... Bro.

   7. NANarrator14:40

      Thanks, Mama. You're darn tootin', I did. That means you love her. That's what I've been trying to tell her.

   8. CWChris Williamson14:48

      (laughs) Oh, my God.

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:52

      Dude.

   10. CWChris Williamson14:52

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:53

       You're darn tootin'.

   12. CWChris Williamson14:55

       Darn tootin', I am.

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:55

       The guy's got-

   14. CWChris Williamson14:58

       Over, over his knee.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:59

       ... someone, someone's daughter over his knee, and he's spanking her into submission. Spanking her.

   16. CWChris Williamson15:04

       That'll teach her.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:05

       Holding her and spanking her. "That means you love her," Shirley Temple says. Shirley Temple was, like, the propagandist. She was, like, a young propagandist.

   18. JVJamie Vernon15:12

       I just called and that's actually her. I'm trying to type it in and it's not

   19. NANarrator15:14

       Yeah.

   20. JVJamie Vernon15:14

       ... her address here.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:15

       It's not her?

   22. JVJamie Vernon15:15

       So, it might be someone else.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:16

       How many of them were there? How many of them young, famous girl actors were there? How many of them came out great? Zero?

   24. CWChris Williamson15:24

       It's a mixed bag. Britney Spears is a work in progress.

   25. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       (laughs)

   26. JVJamie Vernon15:29

       (laughs)

   27. CWChris Williamson15:29

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       I do not think children should be developing in front of the world. I think that's an insane amount of pressure. I think becoming famous in front of the world is an insane amount of pressure. Becoming a child and e- a- as you're growing up-

   29. CWChris Williamson15:42

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       ... you're in front of the world, that's not w- manageable. That, you're, no one's designed like that. You're gonna blow the hardware.
7. 17:09 – 24:18

   Jordan Peterson’s benzo ordeal and an internet detour into “mugshortys”

   1. JRJoe Rogan17:09

      Yeah, if you... If you're in a kayak and, you know, you're hitting rocks, you're probably gonna fall in. You don't know what the fuck you're doing. But once you figure out what you're doing, then you can kind of achieve some sort of level of balance. But for him, uh, I think a lot of it was exacerbated by, uh, the benzodiazepine thing. So, he was taking, um, anti-anxiety medication. He didn't understand when it was prescribed to him how addictive it was and what the consequences were of getting off of it. And he talks about it a lot. And I think he was sick for over a year.

   2. CWChris Williamson17:41

      I'm pretty sure that you... There's a number of psychiatrists that are hesitant about prescribing that for more than a couple of days.

   3. JRJoe Rogan17:47

      (laughs)

   4. CWChris Williamson17:47

      And Jordan was on it for months and months and months.

   5. JRJoe Rogan17:49

      It seems like even for a couple of days, you're like, you're just kissing death.

   6. CWChris Williamson17:53

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:53

      You just want to kiss your death. (kissing sounds) You know?

   8. CWChris Williamson17:56

      Have you seen, have you seen the Instagram account mugshortys?

   9. JRJoe Rogan18:00

      No.

   10. JVJamie Vernon18:00

       Mm-hmm.

   11. CWChris Williamson18:01

       Oh...

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:01

       What is it?

   13. CWChris Williamson18:02

       ... my God.

   14. JVJamie Vernon18:03

       Yeah.

   15. CWChris Williamson18:03

       This is one of the greatest things on the internet.

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:05

       (laughs)

   17. CWChris Williamson18:05

       I can't believe I get to teach you about mugshortys.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:07

       Oh, boy. I'm excited.

   19. CWChris Williamson18:07

       Come on, JMo, let's do this.

   20. JVJamie Vernon18:09

       Yeah, this is a fun account.

   21. CWChris Williamson18:11

       So (laughs) it's images, mugshots of girls that have been taken in to, uh, for questioning. So it'll say in the top, in the d- in the description, what they've been charged for. Look at the, look at the c- the comment below.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:27

       "She could drive me while intoxicated." (laughs)

   23. CWChris Williamson18:30

       "Your Honor, we're under her influence."

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:32

       "Her eyes are intoxicating."

   25. CWChris Williamson18:34

       "Your Honor, I think you've been drinking."

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       (laughs)

   27. CWChris Williamson18:36

       Keep going. I'm gonna find another one.

   28. JRJoe Rogan18:37

       Oh my God, it's amazing. They're very funny. "There's my Valentine." Oh, so they're all funny comments.

   29. CWChris Williamson18:44

       Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       Oh, that's great.
8. 24:18 – 28:52

   Tour life vs real life: keeping your mind and body intact on the road

   1. CWChris Williamson24:18

      Whitney was telling me before... I did a little tour toward the back end of last year, which was pretty interesting. And I was saying, "What should I expect?" She says, "Expect to get a bit more boring as it goes on." It's like, "What do you mean?" She said, "Well, in order for art to imitate life, you have to live a life." And the problem is if you're on the road all you know are airports and hotels and dinners and shows, and that's it.

   2. JRJoe Rogan24:41

      Yes.

   3. CWChris Williamson24:41

      And she was saying that she was in a Hollywood script writers meeting, and they were saying, "It's a Saturday morning, where is she?" And someone shouted from the back, "She's at a baby shower." And Whitney was like, "Who goes to a baby shower? All right." Uh, "She's doing a wine tasting." She's like, "No one goes to a wine tasting." And the room turned and apparently said, "No, Whitney, you don't." Like, other normal people do that.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:02

      Right.

   5. CWChris Williamson25:02

      So you've got this vicious, uh, trap of success. It must happen with musicians as well.

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:08

      Yes.

   7. CWChris Williamson25:08

      Like, how are you supposed to... Y- y- you know, if you're some heartfelt singer talking about your makeups and breakups of relationships and now you're dealing with the fear of MeToo, that d- doesn't exactly give sort of beautiful romance around what you're talking about. The same thing goes for comedians, same thing goes for anything. Like, the whole point of what you're trying to do is be representation, be representative for the normal person.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:29

      Yes.

   9. CWChris Williamson25:30

      And the more that your life becomes strange and rarified and on the road, the less of that you get to experience, which is less inspiration for the art.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:39

       Yeah. Yeah. It's a matter of, like, what are you doing when you're on the road? Are you on the road just to make money? 'Cause then you just have to just treat it as a very fortunate job. And you definitely are not gonna get the same kind of life experience. You're not. You're just not. You're gonna be traveling all the time and you're gonna be staying in hotels, you're gonna be doing gigs. Most of your time you'll be thinking about doing the material that you prepared and getting your set together. But you could still take stuff in if you choose to, you know? You can go to cities and check out museums. You can go to cities and, you know, go on a tour of the town. You just have to be proactive. And you could watch documentaries. Like I like to watch documentaries on the road. I try to educate myself more on the road than watching something just- just entertaining. So look, I'm on the road, I'm supposed to be doing standup, I'm awake, let me watch something on Nepal, you know what I mean?

   11. CWChris Williamson26:33

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan26:33

       Like let me- let me- let me get in- interested in something. Like let me get my mind stimulated with something other than just performing and traveling.

   13. CWChris Williamson26:41

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan26:42

       But you have to choose to. It's like, you have to choose to go to the gym. Like when I... Everyone's like, "How's the jet lag?" I go, "You just gotta kill it." It's just like a thing you have to do. It's like jumping in the cold water, like it sucks, but if you do it you'll feel better. You've gotta go right to the gym. Like the moment you land, err, plane lands, check into your hotel-

   15. CWChris Williamson27:01

       Gym.

   16. JRJoe Rogan27:01

       ... gym right away.

   17. CWChris Williamson27:02

       No saying-

   18. JRJoe Rogan27:03

       No ifs, ands, or buts, go to the fucking gym. Or do a hotel workout. You could do a- a great body weight workout, you could do a yoga routine, do a hotel room-

   19. CWChris Williamson27:11

       Staying in hotels with gyms is the easiest hack-

   20. JRJoe Rogan27:13

       It's nice.

   21. CWChris Williamson27:14

       ... for that.

   22. JRJoe Rogan27:14

       Oh, it's so nice. If you go to a r- a hotel and they have kettlebells, you're like, "Oh my God, this is amazing."

   23. CWChris Williamson27:19

       Game over.

   24. JRJoe Rogan27:19

       Yeah, this is amazing. And so you just get a nice workout in, really fucking exert your body, get that sweat going, get your heart rate up, and then you'll settle in. All that jet lag shit, it's nonsense. It all goes away. Even when you travel. When I go to overseas, it's like just- just fucking work out one day really hard and then it seems like everything just-

   25. CWChris Williamson27:36

       Pretty much resets everything.

   26. JRJoe Rogan27:37

       ... resets everything. It's li- y- it's like a threshold. You want to, like, really sweat, like really get something, like push it a little bit. Then you're like, "All right, now we're back." Just whoop.

   27. CWChris Williamson27:47

       Normality.

   28. JRJoe Rogan27:48

       Yeah, total normality. And then also, you gotta make sure you're hydrated. That tr- f- plane travel is just a brutal thing in your body. It's... You're probably getting radioactive waves at a unhealthy level. Like those stewardesses, you know? I'd imagine-

   29. CWChris Williamson28:02

       I'd love to see a study looking at the what's happening to their telomeres, what's happening to their DNA, you know-

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:07

       Yeah.
9. 28:52 – 42:34

   Radiation horror stories and extreme resilience: “unkillable” war lives

   1. JRJoe Rogan28:52

      I'd say they could do basically whatever they want. They can see through walls. We can come up with all kinds of superpowers that they would get, but ima- but the idea is like we really didn't know what radiation did for you. You know, that's what those, uh, those terrible, um, injuries that those women got, that were using lume.

   2. CWChris Williamson29:10

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan29:10

      The radioactive lume. What is that shit called again, Jamie?

   4. NANarrator29:13

      Radium.

   5. CWChris Williamson29:14

      Radium.

   6. JRJoe Rogan29:14

      Radium. The radium girls.

   7. CWChris Williamson29:15

      To make the watch faces-

   8. JRJoe Rogan29:16

      Ah, it's so horrible.

   9. CWChris Williamson29:18

      ... light up. And they were having babies as well.

   10. JRJoe Rogan29:20

       Oh.

   11. CWChris Williamson29:20

       They were pregnant and their kids had problems.

   12. JRJoe Rogan29:22

       They had holes in their faces, their faces rotted off, it was horrible.

   13. CWChris Williamson29:25

       I'm pretty sure... Didn't Marie Curie also have some problem like that as well? I mean, like everybody that did research around radioactive substances early 1900s just got-

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:34

       Yeah.

   15. CWChris Williamson29:35

       ... fully- fully fucked.

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:36

       Have you seen the- the hands of the ladies who used to test the X-ray machines?

   17. CWChris Williamson29:40

       No.

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:40

       Oh, it's a horrible injury, man. Because back in the day before they knew that X-rays were dangerous, they had to make th- sure the X-ray machine worked in the office.

   19. CWChris Williamson29:48

       Boop.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:48

       So these ladies would put their hand in every day.

   21. CWChris Williamson29:51

       Oh, before the patient came in?

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:52

       Every day.

   23. CWChris Williamson29:52

       So they were getting a dose of-

   24. JRJoe Rogan29:53

       Every-

   25. CWChris Williamson29:53

       One hand dose of-

   26. JRJoe Rogan29:54

       Every day.

   27. CWChris Williamson29:55

       And presumably... Oh, was it always-

   28. JRJoe Rogan29:57

       So you lift-

   29. CWChris Williamson29:57

       ... the same hand?

   30. JRJoe Rogan29:58

       Look at the hand. It's fucking gross, man. It's just... They- their hand's got cancer. They just got hand cancer. Their hands are all shriveled up-
10. 42:34 – 52:27

    Othering, tribal psychology, and why ‘righteous’ people do evil

    1. JRJoe Rogan42:34

       That's on the list now. Wow. Yeah, the... I read, uh, the, The Rape of Nam King years ago. It's-

    2. CWChris Williamson42:45

       What's it about?

    3. JRJoe Rogan42:45

       It's about Japan during the war, what they did in China. Just the atrocities that they did with people's children, their babies in front of them, like the way they just tortured people. What- what people can justify doing in times of war is absolutely terrifying. And when you read about it, and you read about it from a time that's less than a 100 years ago, it's so shocking. It's so shocking. Because when you think of the Japanese... When I think of Japanese, I think polite culture, warrior society, a long history of martial arts, amazing engineering, incredible automobiles. I think of all these, like, positive things.

    4. CWChris Williamson43:27

       Hmm.

    5. JRJoe Rogan43:27

       I don't think of, like, what happened during World War II. It's really terrifying. There was a documentary about it too, that I remember I had to buy online from VHS tape. It was very hard to get. It was some sort of a educational documentary, like something that they would show at a university. It was... Oh, God.

    6. CWChris Williamson43:49

       About the rape of Nanking?

    7. JRJoe Rogan43:50

       Yeah. Just horrible. Just, just to know that people are capable of doing that to other people, to children and women and just anybody, anybody that's not them, and you can get away with it because this is war.

    8. CWChris Williamson44:05

       There's been an awful lot of very atrocious things that have been justified by, "Those people are different to us."

    9. JRJoe Rogan44:12

       Yeah.

    10. CWChris Williamson44:13

        "Let's do something to them."

    11. JRJoe Rogan44:14

        Any, any reason, whether those people vote Republican (laughs) or those people don't believe in masks or those people, you know, they s- they have a different belief. Th- Those people don't believe in our one God. Those people, they're, they're of the unclean faith. There's so many different ways people can look at someone as an other and it's just... It's insane what we're capable of when we do that. 'Cause you could j- j... People openly justify horrible things to people online. I see it all the time from Twitter, like al- j- justify horrible things to people because the people don't believe what they believe, and they'll attribute like the most nasty fucking descriptions of people just because they don't believe what they believe. It's like the least charitable view is highlighted the most. It's just so... You know, it's this thing that we have, this ability to other people. It's one of the worst aspects of human beings.

    12. CWChris Williamson45:15

        I think it... I think more people are bound together over the mutual hatred of an outgroup than the mutual love of an ingroup.

    13. JRJoe Rogan45:23

        Yep. Sure.

    14. CWChris Williamson45:25

        I think... I, I, I think... There's this really great psychological study that was done where they bring (laughs) , they bring a, a big group of people into a lab and they toss a coin. And if it's heads, you're blue team, and if it's tails, you're red team. So, toss a coin. And it's around about an even split, maybe 50/50 people. And they go over to the blue team and they say, "So, what do you think about the red team?" "Uh, well, I mean, they're not as smart as us, are they? They're a bit, like, fucking stupid. You seen, you seen them over there? Like, they... I mean, we're definitely, we're definitely the better..." See, you actually just saw the selection criteria. The selection criteria was heads or tails, 50/50, completely arbitrary.

    15. JRJoe Rogan46:03

        Yeah.

    16. CWChris Williamson46:03

        Immediately, as soon as you give people the opportunity to find some tribal bias to lock onto, they go.

    17. JRJoe Rogan46:09

        Yeah, they go. Yeah, well, people are cowards too. That's part of it. There's a lot of strength in being a part of a, an aggressive group that believes one thing, you know. That's why you see like a lot of people that have been sort of bullied their whole lives become the biggest bully. If they're on like a, a, something, some side of something that they think is like a moving progress, moving social progress in a certain direction, they'll get super hyper-aggressive, you know. It's like this is their chance, you know.

    18. CWChris Williamson46:38

        This is what I think most people don't understand about evil. The number of evil people in the world is probably quite low. What you have is people doing evil things for what they think are good ends.

    19. JRJoe Rogan46:54

        Mm-hmm.

    20. CWChris Williamson46:55

        Almost all of the atrocities that we've seen throughout human history are people trying to... Doing something they feel is righteous.

    21. JRJoe Rogan47:03

        Yeah.

    22. CWChris Williamson47:03

        Because that's what would motivate them. What, what... I- it's very unadaptive for us to do something that we know is wrong.

    23. JRJoe Rogan47:10

        Right.

    24. CWChris Williamson47:10

        The best way to get someone to be a part and be, uh, go along with a, an atrocious act is to make them think that it's in service of good.

    25. JRJoe Rogan47:19

        Hmm. Definitely. Yeah. Which is why we enjoy movies like John Wick and Sisu, 'cause like-

    26. CWChris Williamson47:26

        Retribution.

    27. JRJoe Rogan47:26

        Yeah. He, they... These people deserve it. Show him, show him the trailer for Sisu. It's amazing. (laughs)

    28. CWChris Williamson47:33

        How old is this movie?

    29. JRJoe Rogan47:34

        It's not that old. Two years?

    30. JVJamie Vernon47:36

        It was made during the pandemic, came out 2022 and...
11. 52:27 – 1:03:26

    From movie violence to real weapons: ‘ninja’ Hellfires, hunting broadheads, and archery flow

    1. CWChris Williamson52:27

       The most crazy movie across into real world thing that I've learned about is this modified RX-9 Hellfire missile. Have you seen this?

    2. JRJoe Rogan52:36

       No.

    3. CWChris Williamson52:36

       This thing is insane. Do, do the honors, Jamie. Let's look at this. So-

    4. JRJoe Rogan52:41

       Is it one of the hypersonic missiles that changes directions?

    5. CWChris Williamson52:43

       This is more precise. So what they realized was that collateral damage is a big deal in war zones because if you kill people that aren't just the target, you galvanize that group against your ... Yeah, there it is. America's secret ninja bomb packed with blades that shred militants alive.

    6. JRJoe Rogan53:06

       Oh my God.

    7. CWChris Williamson53:07

       So there's no explosive in the front of it. It gets deployed using the, an existing platform. But rather than having an explosive payload, these l- razor-sharp, six razor-sharp swords come out the side of it and just turn human flesh into smoothies.

    8. JRJoe Rogan53:25

       (sighs)

    9. CWChris Williamson53:26

       Look at what it does to a car.

    10. JRJoe Rogan53:28

        Oh my God.

    11. CWChris Williamson53:29

        But how precise this thing is. It's so precise, you have the Flying Ginsu, uh, I think it's colloquially called the Jihadi Blender.

    12. JRJoe Rogan53:37

        Oh my God.

    13. CWChris Williamson53:38

        Uh-

    14. JRJoe Rogan53:38

        And they just shoot it into cars.

    15. CWChris Williamson53:40

        So it's so precise that you need to know which seat of the car, the, uh-

    16. JRJoe Rogan53:46

        The bad guy's in.

    17. CWChris Williamson53:47

        ... ba- bad dude's in, yeah. Because if it was a long enough vehicle, front right seat and back left seat. Back left seat will be scared but it'll be fine. So there was this dude, uh, one of the m- supposedly one of the masterminds behind 9/11, they'd done surveillance on this guy and every morning he'd come out and drink his coffee on his balcony. Same balcony, he'd come out and he'd drink his coffee and, and, and look out. So they just timed two of those things. Comes out, mm, (snaps fingers) and that's it. There's no explosion, there's no nothing, and this guy just gets turned into dust.

    18. JRJoe Rogan54:18

        (inhales deeply) They s- they shot two of them at him?

    19. CWChris Williamson54:22

        Two, just in case the first one missed, I think.

    20. JRJoe Rogan54:24

        Oh my God.

    21. CWChris Williamson54:25

        Laser-guided, set it off. And here's the other thing, because it only propels for the first two seconds and then after that it's just using fins, so it works out the trajectory. So there's not even the sound of engine coming toward you. It's just silence and then blades and death.

    22. JRJoe Rogan54:41

        Oh, it's a flying r- it's a flying rage hypodermic.

    23. CWChris Williamson54:45

        (laughs)

    24. JRJoe Rogan54:45

        Do you know what a rage hypodermic is?

    25. CWChris Williamson54:47

        (laughs) No.

    26. JRJoe Rogan54:47

        Rage hyp- hypodermic is a wild mechanical broadhead that they invented for bow hunting. So instead of a bow hunting f- broadhead being a fixed blade, like a solid piece of metal that's screwed into the end of your arrow, instead it's a mechanical broadhead that upon impacting tissue, opens up-

    27. CWChris Williamson55:08

        Bang.

    28. JRJoe Rogan55:08

        ... into this huge opening. They make giant holes. They call them rage holes, and they kill animals quick. And it's kind of controversial in the, in that if your blade hits a branch on the way in, or, or, or a, like a stalk of hay or something like that-

    29. CWChris Williamson55:26

        It'll trigger it.

    30. JRJoe Rogan55:26

        ... it could trigger it, and then it would fuck up the trajectory of the arrow, and it might lead to a bad shot. Um, so there's that. And then there's it ca- it ca- it could get deployed accidentally in your, in your quiver, and you might not know it when you're drawing and shooting. It could be open, and it could open up in flight. But if it stays closed and it does impact, it makes a giant hole.
12. 1:03:26 – 1:08:37

    Dopamine/serotonin/cortisol life, cars and status, and the hidden metrics of happiness

    1. CWChris Williamson1:03:26

       And I, I often think about, uh, like three types of Chris. Dopamine Chris, Serotonin Chris, and Cortisol Chris.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:03:33

       (laughs)

    3. CWChris Williamson1:03:33

       And my goal is to spend as much time in Serotonin Chris as possible. But, you know, Dopamine Chris is, plays on modern wisdom, and, and growing the channel, and, and, and money, and, and-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:03:44

       Yeah.

    5. CWChris Williamson1:03:44

       ... new stuff, and traveling to new places, and th- novelty.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:03:47

       Right.

    7. CWChris Williamson1:03:47

       And Cortisol Chris is dealing with the operations and it's executive function. It's answering emails, and it's dealing with, with challenges. And there's a, like, cortisol is kind of exciting too, but Serotonin Chris is walking with your friends in nature, and, uh, calling your mom, and catching up, and having dinner, w- going to a comedy show, watching live music. And I found that when I'm not feeling balanced in myself is when I'm spending too much time. And things aren't bad. Things are going well. They could be even going excellently, but I'm still in Dopamine Chris a lot. And he's gangster rap and a V8 engine.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:04:24

       (laughs)

    9. CWChris Williamson1:04:25

       And I wanna be, I wanna be magic mushrooms in a hammock.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:28

        Mm.

    11. CWChris Williamson1:04:29

        Like-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:04:29

        But wait a minute. Pause please, 'cause you just bought a Camaro.

    13. CWChris Williamson1:04:32

        I did.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:04:33

        You (laughs) you son of a bitch.

    15. CWChris Williamson1:04:34

        I know.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:04:34

        You bought an SS too, right?

    17. CWChris Williamson1:04:36

        Two SS.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:36

        Yeah.

    19. CWChris Williamson1:04:37

        Yeah, 6.2 liter V8.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:04:38

        Yeah.

    21. CWChris Williamson1:04:39

        Oh, yeah. (laughs)

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:40

        You embrace American culture.

    23. CWChris Williamson1:04:42

        Okay, I just need to get some beers.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:04:43

        Did you get a m- a manual transmission?

    25. CWChris Williamson1:04:45

        No.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:46

        Okay.

    27. CWChris Williamson1:04:46

        I've spent... So, in the UK almost everybody learns to drive manual, so there's two types of license in the UK, manual license and an automatic license. If you learn in an automatic, don't get to drive a manual.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:04:58

        Interesting.

    29. CWChris Williamson1:04:58

        You have to take the test as a manual.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:05:00

        Oh my goodness. That's a smart move.
13. 1:08:37 – 1:27:22

    Surveillance creep: Tesla insurance telemetry, TikTok micro-expressions, and Gen Z privacy tradeoffs

    1. CWChris Williamson1:08:37

       I was hearing that, uh, my neighbor has a Tesla, and I think he gets his insurance through Tesla. But they can see the diagnostics of how he drives the car.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:08:46

       Ah.

    3. CWChris Williamson1:08:46

       So his insurance is way more expensive-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:08:48

       Oh.

    5. CWChris Williamson1:08:48

       ... because it knows how late he brakes, how fast he accelerates, how close to other cars he is. You want to talk about encroachments on freedom?

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:08:57

       (sips drink) I didn't know they did that.

    7. CWChris Williamson1:08:58

       There's a, uh, algorithm that's used in China that when someone is applying for medical insurance, it uses the website to track the number of typos and the movement of the mouse, and they've mapped that with an algorithm to predict pre-Parkinsonian, pre-Alzheimer, uh, dementia, all of these things.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:09:17

       No.

    9. CWChris Williamson1:09:17

       So basically, (laughs) if you're filling in your medical insurance in China and you fuck up a little bit, your premium goes up.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:09:23

        Wow. That's coming. All that stuff's coming. And a l- a lot of dummies are gonna... They're gonna sign up for it because they'll- they'll attach it to something that you think is important, like climate change, and that's how they're gonna get you.

    11. CWChris Williamson1:09:37

        One-third-

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:09:39

        (laughs)

    13. CWChris Williamson1:09:39

        (laughs) ... of Gen Z... Fucking Greta Thunberg again. Uh, one-third of Gen Z kids say that they would accept the installation of surveillance cameras inside the home to detect wrongdoing. One-third, 30%.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:09:58

        I wonder if they really believe that or if they say that because they know it's not happening and they just want to say that they're a good person.

    15. CWChris Williamson1:10:03

        It's a lie. Yeah, maybe.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:10:04

        Also, you're also a- a dumb young person that doesn't understand what you're giving up.

    17. CWChris Williamson1:10:09

        Well, I think another potential reason for it might be you're part of a generation that has traded your-

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:10:16

        Privacy.

    19. CWChris Williamson1:10:17

        Precisely.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:10:17

        Yeah. Well, the-

    21. CWChris Williamson1:10:18

        From the moment that you were born.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:10:19

        You know what they do? Snapchat, they give each other their locations.

    23. CWChris Williamson1:10:25

        Yes, yes.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:10:26

        So-

    25. CWChris Williamson1:10:26

        Snap Map, I think it is.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:10:26

        Yeah, so all the kids know exactly where all the other kids are. So if you're dating some gal and, you know, and-

    27. CWChris Williamson1:10:32

        See her with that other person that's on your friends list?

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:10:34

        Yeah. And you see you are not where you said you were gonna be. (sighs) You know?

    29. CWChris Williamson1:10:39

        Yeah. It's a-

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:10:39

        So what are g- What are pe- people doing now? You know, they just, "Where are you? I see where you are."

Episode duration: 3:05:20