The Joe Rogan ExperienceJoe Rogan Experience #2104 - Chris Williamson
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150 min read · 30,095 words- 0:00 – 0:51
Cheers, Texas as home, and the California contrast
- JRJoe Rogan
(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!
- NANarrator
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night! All day! (rock music plays) Cheers, sir. (glasses clink) Peace.
- CWChris Williamson
Cheers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm. (glass thuds)
- CWChris Williamson
What is that? Black Rifle?
- JRJoe Rogan
Black Rifle, yeah. What up, Chris? What's up, baby? How are ya?
- CWChris Williamson
Good to see you, man.
- JRJoe Rogan
H- so, how long you been in Texas now?
- CWChris Williamson
Two years.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- CWChris Williamson
First-
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you feel like this is where you live? Or do you like, every day-
- CWChris Williamson
This feels like home. Now.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah. I went back home for Christmas in the UK, and it's so strange to go back to a place that you know so well, you're super familiar with, but you're kind of different. And everything's changed, but everything's the same, and you fall back into old patterns. You remember that tree that you used to walk past on your morning walk and all of ... It's very disquieting. But it's fun. It's nice.
- 0:51 – 4:41
Vapes, drunk driving, and the slippery slope of regulation
- JRJoe Rogan
The oddest thing for me is the contrast in the amount of freedom you have for things that you would never think were important. Like, uh, these little nicotine things? In California, you can't buy this because it's flavored.
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
In California, you can put a tent in front of people's houses and fucking cook meth and no one says anything, no one does anything. You could commit violent crime, and you get arrested and released with no bail. They never find you again. There's the, there's ... The laws are so ridiculous. But, you are not allowed to have flavored nicotine. Flavored nicotine is dangerous, Chris.
- CWChris Williamson
They're trying to ban flavored vapes in the UK very aggressively.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Super aggressively. It's like, that's the big deal. That being said-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... I think it's like some non-insignificant percentage of schoolchildren are using vapes. Like there's a-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's very addictive.
- CWChris Williamson
There's a No Vapes sign-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... in schools. Like, like that wasn't something that was already self-evident.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, cigarettes were a big deal when I was in high school. You know, uh, lot of kids smoked cigarettes. It was a cool kids thing to do.
- CWChris Williamson
What's the smoking age in America?
- JRJoe Rogan
I think it's 18.
- JVJamie Vernon
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
18?
- JVJamie Vernon
Uh, legally, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Legally?
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's 18. But when I was a kid, uh, people got cigarettes. Someone got you cigarettes. I don't know, when I was young, I remember before I turned 18 they changed the legal drinking age. 'Cause the legal drinking age, I believe, used to be 18, and then they bumped it up to 21. I was like, "Damn it."
- CWChris Williamson
Dude, have you ever seen the video of when DUIs came in in the 1980s-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- CWChris Williamson
... and they're interviewing people in cars?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
That is one of my favorite-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... videos of all time. Please, Jamie, let me watch that video again.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. The, the lady's like, "We'll s- we're gonna bring in communism." (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) "Don't know what the world's coming to."
- 4:41 – 15:29
From drunk-driving tragedy to crime roots, parenting, and “luxury beliefs”
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, hold on a second. Okay. "During the 1950s, the American public and the judicial system were still erring on the side of the drunk driver. Oddly enough, some people were concerned with the mechanization of measuring sobriety was somehow not fitting with the American way." Kinda isn't. It kinda isn't. But also, you shouldn't drink and drive. Like both things are true. We should like teach people that you should never fucking do that. The, the ... I went to high school with a kid, and um, he was a good guy. I, I knew him from the time I was like 14. And then when, I guess a s- senior in high school, he was drunk and he crashed his car and killed his friend. And I remember running into him on the street, we were both walking, and I walked by him and he, he, he just had his head down. And you know, I wasn't good friends with him, but I was friends with him. I always said hi to him. I said hi to him. I said, "Hey man, how you doing?" He's like, "Eh." He was done. He was done. His life was over, man. He wasn't, he wasn't, you know, a regular kid anymore. He was a kid who killed his friend in a drunk driving accident. It was, it was a different human. Like his life, he was this one guy who was like a normal guy, fun guy. People liked him. He was a friendly guy. And then all of a sudden, a pariah. All the sudden everyone knows what you did. All the sudden what you did, you can't believe you did. This horrible, horrible, horrible thing.... and you did it when you were so young.
- CWChris Williamson
A kid.
- JRJoe Rogan
He was s- he was 16, 17, whatever he was. He didn't know what he was doing. He had no idea. Nobody... No... Th- you're so stupid when you're that young. Your brain's not formed yet. And you can't treat them like they're adults. You just can't. They're not adults. You know? You're talking about a 16-year-old kid, a 15-year-old kid, like fuck, what... When they're doing things, they don't even know what's real. I mean, and it's all completely dependent upon how they were raised. Like, you could get really lucky and have solid parents, and really have like a good understanding of how to behave in the world. Or you could get fucked and you got some dad who beats the shit out of you, and he's always on meth, and your mother's a fucking liar, and she steals money, and she, she sells people stuff. You know, that's, that could be your reality too. And to expect a person like that to behave exactly the way you do with your nice life is crazy. It's crazy. And it's one of the weirder things that we do. Instead of, instead of looking at the origins of... What are, what are the origins of horrible behavior? It's all terrible childhoods. It's almost all terrible childhoods. Instead of looking at that, all we look at is the crime. It's very strange. It's a weird thing. It's like, to know logically that you just have to take a few extra steps and say, "Well, what's the root of this problem and how do we address that? How do we make it better?" We have so much money for other things. We don't have any money for that? That seems like one of the most fundamental problems any country would face, is the amount of people that grow up that become violent criminals because they were fucked from the time they were young. They had no shot at life. Their whole childhood was just violence and chaos. And that's not an insignificant number of people in this country. And yet, pfft, any foreign conflict has to be addressed with the utmost urgency. When the things that are paramount to our daily existence right here, what, what our tax dollars pay for right here, are just completely ignored. Completely ignored. Never discussed. They'll talk to you about climate change. Climate change? Let me tell you something. If you live in the South Side of Chicago and you get shot, climate change doesn't mean jack shit to you. Okay? (laughs) We should address, we should address what the fuck is going on right now, not w- not climate change.
- CWChris Williamson
Do you know what the idea is of luxury beliefs are? Have you heard of this?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- CWChris Williamson
So, it's been re-popularized by my friend, Rob Henderson. So, luxury beliefs are ideas held by the upper classes that confer status on them-
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... but often cause costs for the lower class. So, the seminal example of this is defund the police.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
I walked past a house in Austin, not far from where I live, that has a defund the police flag in the garden out front-
- JRJoe Rogan
(groans)
- CWChris Williamson
... and a private security sticker in the front window.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) It's so stupid. It's such a virtue. You know... Do you know Will Storr?
- CWChris Williamson
Of course. He's been on my show.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
I was... I went for breakfast with him yesterday.
- JRJoe Rogan
He's great. And-
- CWChris Williamson
He's fantastic.
- JRJoe Rogan
... of course you know him. Um, Will Storr who wrote that book, The Status Game, was explaining all this and how, what people are doing, what they're actually doing.
- CWChris Williamson
He's outstanding. So-
- JRJoe Rogan
So good.
- CWChris Williamson
There's a-
- JRJoe Rogan
And it relates it to so many behavior patterns in life. You're just like, "Oh my God, this all makes sense."
- CWChris Williamson
He's a legend of storytelling. He's one of the best writers in the UK. And, uh, yeah, there's this really interesting-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
... example of... My friend, Mary Harrington, talks about how the death of chivalry has caused an increase in domestic violence. So, it's very interesting. So, this is a good example of this luxury beliefs thing. So, yes, during the 1960s and '70s, if you were an upper-class lady and the guys that you were dating were from households that had two parents, that had taught them how you're supposed to treat people and they weren't mistreated and all the rest, that they grew up like a well-balanced person, to them, it might seem a little bit patronizing for the guy to hold the door for you. Right? Or to pull the chair out. Or to make sure that you get home okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Because you live in existence in which the danger of that not happening, not going appropriately isn't that great. Now, what wasn't understood by a lot of the upper-class feminists that were talking about this, uh, derogation of chivalry that they wanted, was that that doesn't necessarily work for the working class or the underclass woman who is dating a man whose father beat him, or step-father beat him, or didn't have a father, or was homeless, or addicted to drugs, or in violent crime. And she thinks it's a direct line, a single spectrum, from you should hold the door open for women to you shouldn't beat your wife. And I think that it's true. Women should be seen as something that requires additional protection, that are precious, and, and should be respected. If you derogate the stuff up here, sure, maybe it means that you liberate some of the working, the upper-class women to be able to go and do whatever they want, but what does this cause downstream when you don't have those guardrails in place for the men that the lower-class women are dating?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, well, just all men, period. And it should be... And, and it's... Here's the thing that it... This is how it's looked upon in the martial arts world. If I know that I can fuck you up, and I fuck you up, I'm probably a bad person. It's never good that a guy who is like some trained killer goes after some regular guy, picks a fight with him, and fucks him up. It's never thought of as good. It's always negative. Like, almost entirely negative. Like, the entire fan base will recognize that terrible behavior. So, if you're a man and you have someone who is your wife, and she's smaller than you and female-You have the craziest advantage, physically. It's the most awful tyranny, physically, if violence is involved. If you decide that you're gonna start swinging and teaching people lessons, and, and then lying to police about how someone got hurt and, "Oh, she fell down the stairs." And if you grow up seeing that, that's even m- maybe more fucked up. 'Cause that's your model for w- and that's probably what their model was when they were growing up. But it's... As men, we have to look at that as the weakest of most disgusting behaviors, including beating up on people that are weak.
- CWChris Williamson
Well, that's the reason for the male monkey dance, as it's called. The reason for that is that it's rivalry between two potentially, uh, matched males, and we don't know who's going to win.
- 15:29 – 17:56
Fame at the wrong time: child stars, sudden celebrity, and benzo fallout
- JRJoe Rogan
I do not think children should be developing in front of the world. I think that's an insane amount of pressure. I think becoming famous in front of the world is an insane amount of pressure. Becoming a child and e- a- as you're growing up-
- CWChris Williamson
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you're in front of the world, that's not w- manageable. That, you're, no one's designed like that. You're gonna blow the hardware.
- CWChris Williamson
I had this idea about... We always hear the problems of child stars. Macaulay Culkin, Britney Spears.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Too much fame, too young. And I don't disagree that thinking about, oh my God, this person's basically never known the world without adoration and attention and focus and scrutiny and all that stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- CWChris Williamson
But there's a really interesting question about what happens if you're a, you know, let's say, for example, Canadian psychologist who's been working away in the dusty annals of some university for a while.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, well... (laughs)
- JVJamie Vernon
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
And out of nowhere, you get thrust into the limelight, and then this bald MMA commentator plucks you out of obscurity. And now, you're one of the most talked about people on the planet.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
The interesting thing here is, as the child, yes, you didn't know what the world was like before. I understand that can be disquieting. But what about when you had a sense of self?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- CWChris Williamson
What about when you thought you knew who you were and your place in the world and your place in the status hierarchy, as Will would say?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
What about that? And then you just get ripped from your moorings and you're just out in space and the ISS is going past you and you're (spacecraft sound) .
- JRJoe Rogan
You're certainly gonna make some mistakes. There's no way around it. You've never managed those waters before. If you just get in a, a raft for the first time and you're going down white waters to navigate, you're probably gonna fall in. Like, you're probably not good at this. You don't, you don't know how to do that.
- CWChris Williamson
If the acceleration is quick as well.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, if you... If you're in a kayak and, you know, you're hitting rocks, you're probably gonna fall in. You don't know what the fuck you're doing. But once you figure out what you're doing, then you can kind of achieve some sort of level of balance. But for him, uh, I think a lot of it was exacerbated by, uh, the benzodiazepine thing. So, he was taking, um, anti-anxiety medication. He didn't understand when it was prescribed to him how addictive it was and what the consequences were of getting off of it. And he talks about it a lot. And I think he was sick for over a year.
- CWChris Williamson
I'm pretty sure that you... There's a number of psychiatrists that are hesitant about prescribing that for more than a couple of days.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
And Jordan was on it for months and months and months.
- JRJoe Rogan
It seems like even for a couple of days, you're like, you're just kissing death.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You just want to kiss your death. (kissing sounds) You know?
- 17:56 – 24:18
Mugshot comedy, roast brains, and what “wit” really is
- CWChris Williamson
Have you seen, have you seen the Instagram account mugshortys?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- JVJamie Vernon
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
Oh...
- JRJoe Rogan
What is it?
- CWChris Williamson
... my God.
- JVJamie Vernon
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
This is one of the greatest things on the internet.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
I can't believe I get to teach you about mugshortys.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, boy. I'm excited.
- CWChris Williamson
Come on, JMo, let's do this.
- JVJamie Vernon
Yeah, this is a fun account.
- CWChris Williamson
So (laughs) it's images, mugshots of girls that have been taken in to, uh, for questioning. So it'll say in the top, in the d- in the description, what they've been charged for. Look at the, look at the c- the comment below.
- JRJoe Rogan
"She could drive me while intoxicated." (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
"Your Honor, we're under her influence."
- JRJoe Rogan
"Her eyes are intoxicating."
- CWChris Williamson
"Your Honor, I think you've been drinking."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Keep going. I'm gonna find another one.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God, it's amazing. They're very funny. "There's my Valentine." Oh, so they're all funny comments.
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, that's great.
- JVJamie Vernon
A bunch of thirsty dudes that are just like, "I'll fucking..."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, but they seem to be making funny jokes, though.
- CWChris Williamson
Assault.
- JVJamie Vernon
Consensual. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, yeah. They're all assault.
- JRJoe Rogan
It seems to be funny, though.
- JVJamie Vernon
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 24:18 – 31:19
The road life trap: inspiration, workouts, jet lag—and the radiation rabbit hole
- CWChris Williamson
Whitney was telling me before... I did a little tour toward the back end of last year, which was pretty interesting. And I was saying, "What should I expect?" She says, "Expect to get a bit more boring as it goes on." It's like, "What do you mean?" She said, "Well, in order for art to imitate life, you have to live a life." And the problem is if you're on the road all you know are airports and hotels and dinners and shows, and that's it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- CWChris Williamson
And she was saying that she was in a Hollywood script writers meeting, and they were saying, "It's a Saturday morning, where is she?" And someone shouted from the back, "She's at a baby shower." And Whitney was like, "Who goes to a baby shower? All right." Uh, "She's doing a wine tasting." She's like, "No one goes to a wine tasting." And the room turned and apparently said, "No, Whitney, you don't." Like, other normal people do that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- CWChris Williamson
So you've got this vicious, uh, trap of success. It must happen with musicians as well.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- CWChris Williamson
Like, how are you supposed to... Y- y- you know, if you're some heartfelt singer talking about your makeups and breakups of relationships and now you're dealing with the fear of MeToo, that d- doesn't exactly give sort of beautiful romance around what you're talking about. The same thing goes for comedians, same thing goes for anything. Like, the whole point of what you're trying to do is be representation, be representative for the normal person.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- CWChris Williamson
And the more that your life becomes strange and rarified and on the road, the less of that you get to experience, which is less inspiration for the art.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah. It's a matter of, like, what are you doing when you're on the road? Are you on the road just to make money? 'Cause then you just have to just treat it as a very fortunate job. And you definitely are not gonna get the same kind of life experience. You're not. You're just not. You're gonna be traveling all the time and you're gonna be staying in hotels, you're gonna be doing gigs. Most of your time you'll be thinking about doing the material that you prepared and getting your set together. But you could still take stuff in if you choose to, you know? You can go to cities and check out museums. You can go to cities and, you know, go on a tour of the town. You just have to be proactive. And you could watch documentaries. Like I like to watch documentaries on the road. I try to educate myself more on the road than watching something just- just entertaining. So look, I'm on the road, I'm supposed to be doing standup, I'm awake, let me watch something on Nepal, you know what I mean?
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like let me- let me- let me get in- interested in something. Like let me get my mind stimulated with something other than just performing and traveling.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But you have to choose to. It's like, you have to choose to go to the gym. Like when I... Everyone's like, "How's the jet lag?" I go, "You just gotta kill it." It's just like a thing you have to do. It's like jumping in the cold water, like it sucks, but if you do it you'll feel better. You've gotta go right to the gym. Like the moment you land, err, plane lands, check into your hotel-
- CWChris Williamson
Gym.
- JRJoe Rogan
... gym right away.
- CWChris Williamson
No saying-
- JRJoe Rogan
No ifs, ands, or buts, go to the fucking gym. Or do a hotel workout. You could do a- a great body weight workout, you could do a yoga routine, do a hotel room-
- CWChris Williamson
Staying in hotels with gyms is the easiest hack-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's nice.
- CWChris Williamson
... for that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, it's so nice. If you go to a r- a hotel and they have kettlebells, you're like, "Oh my God, this is amazing."
- CWChris Williamson
Game over.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, this is amazing. And so you just get a nice workout in, really fucking exert your body, get that sweat going, get your heart rate up, and then you'll settle in. All that jet lag shit, it's nonsense. It all goes away. Even when you travel. When I go to overseas, it's like just- just fucking work out one day really hard and then it seems like everything just-
- CWChris Williamson
Pretty much resets everything.
- JRJoe Rogan
... resets everything. It's li- y- it's like a threshold. You want to, like, really sweat, like really get something, like push it a little bit. Then you're like, "All right, now we're back." Just whoop.
- CWChris Williamson
Normality.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, total normality. And then also, you gotta make sure you're hydrated. That tr- f- plane travel is just a brutal thing in your body. It's... You're probably getting radioactive waves at a unhealthy level. Like those stewardesses, you know? I'd imagine-
- CWChris Williamson
I'd love to see a study looking at the what's happening to their telomeres, what's happening to their DNA, you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 31:19 – 45:15
The ‘unkillable soldier’ and survival stories that don’t feel real
- CWChris Williamson
Uh, I've got a new man crush that I need to teach you about.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-oh.
- CWChris Williamson
And he died 60 years ago, so it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- CWChris Williamson
... it's okay. I'm sorry.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Um, so Jamie, can you... I think this guy might have the best top paragraph Wikipedia description in history. Can you just Google "the unkillable soldier" and you'll see a Wikipedia entry at the top.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is this a real human?
- CWChris Williamson
Real human.
- JRJoe Rogan
When, when did he live?
- CWChris Williamson
1880 until about 1960 or so. So, he went through-
- JVJamie Vernon
Ooh, is he... He's Sisu. No?
- CWChris Williamson
Sir Adrian Carton... Sir Adrian-
- JVJamie Vernon
No, in the beginning of the movie, that's what they, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JVJamie Vernon
That's the legend.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- JVJamie Vernon
Maybe it's not a real guy, but like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, well, Sisu is a Scandinavian movie, isn't it? No, what, what, who made-
- CWChris Williamson
It's a British guy. It's a good British-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it Swedish? What, who made, uh, Sisu?
- JVJamie Vernon
I don't know.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you, did you see Sisu?
- CWChris Williamson
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bro.
- CWChris Williamson
What is it?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's amazing.
- CWChris Williamson
What is it?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's John Wick in World War II.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- 45:15 – 52:27
War atrocities, othering, and why ‘evil’ often feels righteous
- CWChris Williamson
I think it... I think more people are bound together over the mutual hatred of an outgroup than the mutual love of an ingroup.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep. Sure.
- CWChris Williamson
I think... I, I, I think... There's this really great psychological study that was done where they bring (laughs) , they bring a, a big group of people into a lab and they toss a coin. And if it's heads, you're blue team, and if it's tails, you're red team. So, toss a coin. And it's around about an even split, maybe 50/50 people. And they go over to the blue team and they say, "So, what do you think about the red team?" "Uh, well, I mean, they're not as smart as us, are they? They're a bit, like, fucking stupid. You seen, you seen them over there? Like, they... I mean, we're definitely, we're definitely the better..." See, you actually just saw the selection criteria. The selection criteria was heads or tails, 50/50, completely arbitrary.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Immediately, as soon as you give people the opportunity to find some tribal bias to lock onto, they go.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, they go. Yeah, well, people are cowards too. That's part of it. There's a lot of strength in being a part of a, an aggressive group that believes one thing, you know. That's why you see like a lot of people that have been sort of bullied their whole lives become the biggest bully. If they're on like a, a, something, some side of something that they think is like a moving progress, moving social progress in a certain direction, they'll get super hyper-aggressive, you know. It's like this is their chance, you know.
- CWChris Williamson
This is what I think most people don't understand about evil. The number of evil people in the world is probably quite low. What you have is people doing evil things for what they think are good ends.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
Almost all of the atrocities that we've seen throughout human history are people trying to... Doing something they feel is righteous.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Because that's what would motivate them. What, what... I- it's very unadaptive for us to do something that we know is wrong.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- CWChris Williamson
The best way to get someone to be a part and be, uh, go along with a, an atrocious act is to make them think that it's in service of good.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hmm. Definitely. Yeah. Which is why we enjoy movies like John Wick and Sisu, 'cause like-
- CWChris Williamson
Retribution.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. He, they... These people deserve it. Show him, show him the trailer for Sisu. It's amazing. (laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
How old is this movie?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not that old. Two years?
- JVJamie Vernon
It was made during the pandemic, came out 2022 and...
- JRJoe Rogan
There's maybe like three words said in the whole movie.
- JVJamie Vernon
It actually officially came out this 2028.
- CWChris Williamson
There's all of those stats about the number of people that John, that, uh, Keanu Reeves kills.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Sorry, I, I, I can't... I will ask after this.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, that's so (laughs) good.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's so good.
- CWChris Williamson
He throws a mine and hits a dude in the head with it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's so good.
- CWChris Williamson
He's a John Wick-pilled gun, gun-maxing killer.
- 52:27 – 1:15:33
Revenge fantasies on screen: Sisu, John Wick, and time-capsule movies
- CWChris Williamson
The most crazy movie across into real world thing that I've learned about is this modified RX-9 Hellfire missile. Have you seen this?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- CWChris Williamson
This thing is insane. Do, do the honors, Jamie. Let's look at this. So-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it one of the hypersonic missiles that changes directions?
- CWChris Williamson
This is more precise. So what they realized was that collateral damage is a big deal in war zones because if you kill people that aren't just the target, you galvanize that group against your ... Yeah, there it is. America's secret ninja bomb packed with blades that shred militants alive.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- CWChris Williamson
So there's no explosive in the front of it. It gets deployed using the, an existing platform. But rather than having an explosive payload, these l- razor-sharp, six razor-sharp swords come out the side of it and just turn human flesh into smoothies.
- JRJoe Rogan
(sighs)
- CWChris Williamson
Look at what it does to a car.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- CWChris Williamson
But how precise this thing is. It's so precise, you have the Flying Ginsu, uh, I think it's colloquially called the Jihadi Blender.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- CWChris Williamson
Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
And they just shoot it into cars.
- CWChris Williamson
So it's so precise that you need to know which seat of the car, the, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
The bad guy's in.
- CWChris Williamson
... ba- bad dude's in, yeah. Because if it was a long enough vehicle, front right seat and back left seat. Back left seat will be scared but it'll be fine. So there was this dude, uh, one of the m- supposedly one of the masterminds behind 9/11, they'd done surveillance on this guy and every morning he'd come out and drink his coffee on his balcony. Same balcony, he'd come out and he'd drink his coffee and, and, and look out. So they just timed two of those things. Comes out, mm, (snaps fingers) and that's it. There's no explosion, there's no nothing, and this guy just gets turned into dust.
- JRJoe Rogan
(inhales deeply) They s- they shot two of them at him?
- CWChris Williamson
Two, just in case the first one missed, I think.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- CWChris Williamson
Laser-guided, set it off. And here's the other thing, because it only propels for the first two seconds and then after that it's just using fins, so it works out the trajectory. So there's not even the sound of engine coming toward you. It's just silence and then blades and death.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, it's a flying r- it's a flying rage hypodermic.
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Do you know what a rage hypodermic is?
- CWChris Williamson
(laughs) No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Rage hyp- hypodermic is a wild mechanical broadhead that they invented for bow hunting. So instead of a bow hunting f- broadhead being a fixed blade, like a solid piece of metal that's screwed into the end of your arrow, instead it's a mechanical broadhead that upon impacting tissue, opens up-
- CWChris Williamson
Bang.
- JRJoe Rogan
... into this huge opening. They make giant holes. They call them rage holes, and they kill animals quick. And it's kind of controversial in the, in that if your blade hits a branch on the way in, or, or, or a, like a stalk of hay or something like that-
- CWChris Williamson
It'll trigger it.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it could trigger it, and then it would fuck up the trajectory of the arrow, and it might lead to a bad shot. Um, so there's that. And then there's it ca- it ca- it could get deployed accidentally in your, in your quiver, and you might not know it when you're drawing and shooting. It could be open, and it could open up in flight. But if it stays closed and it does impact, it makes a giant hole.
- 1:03:26 – 1:14:23
Dopamine vs serotonin living: Camaro culture, manual driving, and surveillance creep
- CWChris Williamson
And I, I often think about, uh, like three types of Chris. Dopamine Chris, Serotonin Chris, and Cortisol Chris.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
And my goal is to spend as much time in Serotonin Chris as possible. But, you know, Dopamine Chris is, plays on modern wisdom, and, and growing the channel, and, and, and money, and, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
... new stuff, and traveling to new places, and th- novelty.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- CWChris Williamson
And Cortisol Chris is dealing with the operations and it's executive function. It's answering emails, and it's dealing with, with challenges. And there's a, like, cortisol is kind of exciting too, but Serotonin Chris is walking with your friends in nature, and, uh, calling your mom, and catching up, and having dinner, w- going to a comedy show, watching live music. And I found that when I'm not feeling balanced in myself is when I'm spending too much time. And things aren't bad. Things are going well. They could be even going excellently, but I'm still in Dopamine Chris a lot. And he's gangster rap and a V8 engine.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- CWChris Williamson
And I wanna be, I wanna be magic mushrooms in a hammock.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- CWChris Williamson
Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
But wait a minute. Pause please, 'cause you just bought a Camaro.
- CWChris Williamson
I did.
- JRJoe Rogan
You (laughs) you son of a bitch.
- CWChris Williamson
I know.
- JRJoe Rogan
You bought an SS too, right?
- CWChris Williamson
Two SS.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Yeah, 6.2 liter V8.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- CWChris Williamson
Oh, yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You embrace American culture.
- CWChris Williamson
Okay, I just need to get some beers.
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you get a m- a manual transmission?
- CWChris Williamson
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- CWChris Williamson
I've spent... So, in the UK almost everybody learns to drive manual, so there's two types of license in the UK, manual license and an automatic license. If you learn in an automatic, don't get to drive a manual.
- JRJoe Rogan
Interesting.
- CWChris Williamson
You have to take the test as a manual.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my goodness. That's a smart move.
- 1:14:23 – 1:27:22
Hidden vs observable metrics: money, relationships, hedonic treadmill, and gratitude
- CWChris Williamson
I've been thinking about this idea of, uh, hidden and observable metrics for life. So, a observable metric would be something like the amount of money-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- CWChris Williamson
... that you earn per year. Uh, it would be the value of the car that you drive or the engine size (laughs) of the car that you drive, uh, or the value of your house. Uh, a hidden metric would be something like the quality of your relationship with your partner, the amount of time that you get to spend without tasks to do, uh, the length of your commute, things like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- CWChris Williamson
And, it's my belief that a lot of people trade observable metrics for hidden metrics, all the time. So, someone will be offered, "Hey, Joe, we want to give you a raise. You've been doing really well at work, but this is gonna come with more responsibility. We're gonna need you in the office earlier, and you're gonna be in charge of this floor of 10 people." "Okay, how much more money have you got?" "Well, I've got $15,000 added onto the observable metric." "But what's the hidden metric cost that you're paying for that?" "Well, peace of mind, and time with your partner, or you take a- another job somewhere else and your commute is now 45 minutes longer in both directions."
Episode duration: 3:05:20
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