Joe Rogan Experience #2104 - Chris Williamson

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out!

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night! All day! (rock music plays) Cheers, sir. (glasses clink) Peace.

   4. CWChris Williamson0:17

      Cheers.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      Mm. (glass thuds)

   6. CWChris Williamson0:19

      What is that? Black Rifle?

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      Black Rifle, yeah. What up, Chris? What's up, baby? How are ya?

   8. CWChris Williamson0:22

      Good to see you, man.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      H- so, how long you been in Texas now?

   10. CWChris Williamson0:25

       Two years.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       Wow.

   12. CWChris Williamson0:27

       First-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       Do you feel like this is where you live? Or do you like, every day-

   14. CWChris Williamson0:30

       This feels like home. Now.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Really?

   16. CWChris Williamson0:31

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       Wow.

   18. CWChris Williamson0:32

       Yeah. I went back home for Christmas in the UK, and it's so strange to go back to a place that you know so well, you're super familiar with, but you're kind of different. And everything's changed, but everything's the same, and you fall back into old patterns. You remember that tree that you used to walk past on your morning walk and all of ... It's very disquieting. But it's fun. It's nice.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:51

       The oddest thing for me is the contrast in the amount of freedom you have for things that you would never think were important. Like, uh, these little nicotine things? In California, you can't buy this because it's flavored.

   20. CWChris Williamson1:08

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:08

       In California, you can put a tent in front of people's houses and fucking cook meth and no one says anything, no one does anything. You could commit violent crime, and you get arrested and released with no bail. They never find you again. There's the, there's ... The laws are so ridiculous. But, you are not allowed to have flavored nicotine. Flavored nicotine is dangerous, Chris.

   22. CWChris Williamson1:33

       They're trying to ban flavored vapes in the UK very aggressively.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       (laughs)

   24. CWChris Williamson1:39

       Super aggressively. It's like, that's the big deal. That being said-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       (laughs)

   26. CWChris Williamson1:42

       ... I think it's like some non-insignificant percentage of schoolchildren are using vapes. Like there's a-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:47

       It's very addictive.

   28. CWChris Williamson1:48

       There's a No Vapes sign-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       Yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson1:51

       ... in schools. Like, like that wasn't something that was already self-evident.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   That'll teach her. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      his knee, and he's spanking her into submission. Spanking her.

   2. CWChris Williamson15:04

      That'll teach her.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      Holding her and spanking her. "That means you love her," Shirley Temple says. Shirley Temple was, like, the propagandist. She was, like, a young propagandist.

   4. JVJamie Vernon15:12

      I just called and that's actually her. I'm trying to type it in and it's not

   5. NANarrator15:14

      Yeah.

   6. JVJamie Vernon15:14

      ... her address here.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      It's not her?

   8. JVJamie Vernon15:15

      So, it might be someone else.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:16

      How many of them were there? How many of them young, famous girl actors were there? How many of them came out great? Zero?

   10. CWChris Williamson15:24

       It's a mixed bag. Britney Spears is a work in progress.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:27

       (laughs)

   12. JVJamie Vernon15:29

       (laughs)

   13. CWChris Williamson15:29

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:29

       I do not think children should be developing in front of the world. I think that's an insane amount of pressure. I think becoming famous in front of the world is an insane amount of pressure. Becoming a child and e- a- as you're growing up-

   15. CWChris Williamson15:42

       Mm-hmm.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:43

       ... you're in front of the world, that's not w- manageable. That, you're, no one's designed like that. You're gonna blow the hardware.

   17. CWChris Williamson15:49

       I had this idea about... We always hear the problems of child stars. Macaulay Culkin, Britney Spears.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Yeah.

   19. CWChris Williamson15:54

       Too much fame, too young. And I don't disagree that thinking about, oh my God, this person's basically never known the world without adoration and attention and focus and scrutiny and all that stuff.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       Right.

   21. CWChris Williamson16:06

       But there's a really interesting question about what happens if you're a, you know, let's say, for example, Canadian psychologist who's been working away in the dusty annals of some university for a while.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Yes, well... (laughs)

   23. JVJamie Vernon16:19

       (laughs)

   24. CWChris Williamson16:19

       And out of nowhere, you get thrust into the limelight, and then this bald MMA commentator plucks you out of obscurity. And now, you're one of the most talked about people on the planet.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:31

       Yeah.

   26. CWChris Williamson16:32

       The interesting thing here is, as the child, yes, you didn't know what the world was like before. I understand that can be disquieting. But what about when you had a sense of self?

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       Right.

   28. CWChris Williamson16:40

       What about when you thought you knew who you were and your place in the world and your place in the status hierarchy, as Will would say?

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:46

       Yeah.

   30. CWChris Williamson16:47

       What about that? And then you just get ripped from your moorings and you're just out in space and the ISS is going past you and you're (spacecraft sound) .
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Into the hand. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      gross, man. It's just... They- their hand's got cancer. They just got hand cancer. Their hands are all shriveled up-

   2. CWChris Williamson30:06

      Into the hand.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:06

      ... and fucked up. Yeah.

   4. CWChris Williamson30:08

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      That's an illustration of one, but there's photographs of one. That one up- up above, the top row. The middle on the top, that's the one. Look at that, dude. That's a lady who got too many X-rays.

   6. CWChris Williamson30:19

      Oh my gosh.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      Just cooked her hand.

   8. CWChris Williamson30:23

      This hand's showing damage from radiation exposure back in the 1900s.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:26

      See, they didn't know. That's what I'm saying. Like, they really didn't know what was gonna happen.

   10. CWChris Williamson30:30

       Oh. Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:31

       Yeah, they would test that motherfucker. Look at that dude's hand. Cooked.

   12. JVJamie Vernon30:35

       And there's still white on the other side.

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       Yeah. So, he would just test the hand.

   14. CWChris Williamson30:38

       See ya.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       So, this is the 1900s, Jamie?

   16. JVJamie Vernon30:41

       That's what it says.

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       Wow. No- 1865 to 1904-

   18. JVJamie Vernon30:46

       You should do it by four.

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       ... is when this, this guy lived.

   20. CWChris Williamson30:47

       Worked with Thomas Edison.

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       A glassblower. Wow.

   22. JVJamie Vernon30:50

       Oh, that's a dude, Clarence.

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:51

       Oh, he would test X-ray tubes he made on his own (laughs) hands, and died after developing aggressive cancer. Ugh. Aggressive cancer is such a scary word.

   24. CWChris Williamson30:58

       He had both of his arms amputated in an unsuccessful attempt to save his life.

   25. JRJoe Rogan31:02

       Oh, my God. Shortly after his death, Thomas Edison abandoned his research on X-rays.

   26. CWChris Williamson31:07

       Ugh.

   27. JRJoe Rogan31:08

       Shortly after?

   28. CWChris Williamson31:09

       Dude, I gotta teach you about this.

   29. JVJamie Vernon31:11

       Oh, the other guy.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:11

       The other guy's fucked too.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   I think it... I…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      believe what they believe. It's like the least charitable view is highlighted the most. It's just so... You know, it's this thing that we have, this ability to other people. It's one of the worst aspects of human beings.

   2. CWChris Williamson45:15

      I think it... I think more people are bound together over the mutual hatred of an outgroup than the mutual love of an ingroup.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      Yep. Sure.

   4. CWChris Williamson45:25

      I think... I, I, I think... There's this really great psychological study that was done where they bring (laughs) , they bring a, a big group of people into a lab and they toss a coin. And if it's heads, you're blue team, and if it's tails, you're red team. So, toss a coin. And it's around about an even split, maybe 50/50 people. And they go over to the blue team and they say, "So, what do you think about the red team?" "Uh, well, I mean, they're not as smart as us, are they? They're a bit, like, fucking stupid. You seen, you seen them over there? Like, they... I mean, we're definitely, we're definitely the better..." See, you actually just saw the selection criteria. The selection criteria was heads or tails, 50/50, completely arbitrary.

   5. JRJoe Rogan46:03

      Yeah.

   6. CWChris Williamson46:03

      Immediately, as soon as you give people the opportunity to find some tribal bias to lock onto, they go.

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:09

      Yeah, they go. Yeah, well, people are cowards too. That's part of it. There's a lot of strength in being a part of a, an aggressive group that believes one thing, you know. That's why you see like a lot of people that have been sort of bullied their whole lives become the biggest bully. If they're on like a, a, something, some side of something that they think is like a moving progress, moving social progress in a certain direction, they'll get super hyper-aggressive, you know. It's like this is their chance, you know.

   8. CWChris Williamson46:38

      This is what I think most people don't understand about evil. The number of evil people in the world is probably quite low. What you have is people doing evil things for what they think are good ends.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:54

      Mm-hmm.

   10. CWChris Williamson46:55

       Almost all of the atrocities that we've seen throughout human history are people trying to... Doing something they feel is righteous.

   11. JRJoe Rogan47:03

       Yeah.

   12. CWChris Williamson47:03

       Because that's what would motivate them. What, what... I- it's very unadaptive for us to do something that we know is wrong.

   13. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       Right.

   14. CWChris Williamson47:10

       The best way to get someone to be a part and be, uh, go along with a, an atrocious act is to make them think that it's in service of good.

   15. JRJoe Rogan47:19

       Hmm. Definitely. Yeah. Which is why we enjoy movies like John Wick and Sisu, 'cause like-

   16. CWChris Williamson47:26

       Retribution.

   17. JRJoe Rogan47:26

       Yeah. He, they... These people deserve it. Show him, show him the trailer for Sisu. It's amazing. (laughs)

   18. CWChris Williamson47:33

       How old is this movie?

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:34

       It's not that old. Two years?

   20. JVJamie Vernon47:36

       It was made during the pandemic, came out 2022 and...

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:39

       There's maybe like three words said in the whole movie.

   22. JVJamie Vernon47:42

       It actually officially came out this 2028.

   23. CWChris Williamson47:43

       There's all of those stats about the number of people that John, that, uh, Keanu Reeves kills.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:47

       (laughs)

   25. CWChris Williamson47:47

       Sorry, I, I, I can't... I will ask after this.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:52

       (laughs)

   27. CWChris Williamson47:54

       Oh, that's so (laughs) good.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:58

       It's so good.

   29. CWChris Williamson47:59

       He throws a mine and hits a dude in the head with it.

   30. JRJoe Rogan48:02

       Yeah. It's so good.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. CWChris Williamson1:00:00

      Endicott-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CWChris Williamson1:00:01

      ... uh, at the bow rack, just the way that they play with the bow-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:05

      Mm-hmm.

   5. CWChris Williamson1:00:05

      ... and, and they know that if they l- uh, the tiny little bit of flame from a lighter to-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      Mm-hmm.

   7. CWChris Williamson1:00:10

      ... uh, the, uh, sight, that it'll sort of cinch it in a different way and it heats the, the sinew of the thread and it tightens that in.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

      Yeah.

   9. CWChris Williamson1:00:17

      Seeing anyone that loves anything that much is just... There's something very, like, gentle and, and honest and peaceful and, and beautiful about that, and it-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

       It is.

   11. CWChris Williamson1:00:28

       Fires me up.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:29

       I couldn't agree more. I l- I love watching people make things and put things together, and I love w- watching people work on cars, do mechanical things.

   13. CWChris Williamson1:00:37

       Mm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:00:37

       I get, I love that shit. But the bow rack, one, one of the things that's i- interesting about, uh, archery is that, uh, even if just, if you're just interested in target archery, any kind of archery that you're interested in, unless you are shooting a traditional bow where there's no sights on it and you're just kind of like doing it by feel and then you learn how to aim depending upon where your, how much your arrow weighs, you can get pretty accurate with those things, but not nearly as accurate as you can with a compound bow. And with a compound bow, it has to be fitted to your frame.... you have to go to a place like The Bow Rack.

   15. CWChris Williamson1:01:08

       Get tuned in.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

       And if you, if you're lucky and you have a place like that, th- that's great, 'cause like they're really good at it. But you might not be lucky, so you might have to travel hours to go to some place.

   17. CWChris Williamson1:01:18

       People were.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:18

       Yeah.

   19. CWChris Williamson1:01:18

       When we were there, we, I think it was maybe a Saturday morning, and, uh, we've driven six hours-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:24

       Yeah.

   21. CWChris Williamson1:01:24

       ... to come to this place.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       And you have to go to a good place too, 'cause the first place I went to, the, my draw length, they had an inch longer than it should've been. The peep sight was weird. I had to like cock my head weird to look at the peep sight. And then I went to a good place, and they fixed it right. And then I went, "Oh, okay this is-"

   23. CWChris Williamson1:01:39

       "This is an extension of my body now."

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:41

       It, it becomes, if you practice it enough, it never really becomes an extension of your body, but you do get so comfortable in that activity that it becomes a normal thing to you. So then, that activity is all just about the fine details of breathing and thinking and shot execution in your head. And the goal is always, at least the way I do it, is always to make a surprise shot. I never want to get it to go off. I wanna be in full draw, I wanna have my pin on the target, and I wanna just be concentrated on that arrow hitting the mark. And then I just go through this shot execution thing and it goes off. And when it goes off, the ultimate goal is to just watch that arrow go exactly where you wanted it to go. (whoosh) And when I do that at like 74 yards, (whoosh) it is the most satisfying feeling in the world. Just targets, just shooting at a foam target. It's so satisfying, and it requires so much concentration that in that act of doing that, the world goes away. And that's the key to it. The w- that's the key to anything that I really enjoy doing that's very difficult. I think you need little vacations from the world. And if you have an hour and a half (clears throat) to shoot a bow, it can provide you with a vacation from the world. You, you are literally only think... It's so difficult to do, and it's so involving, and it's so rewarding when you get it right, that you're completely locked into this one activity and the world goes away.

   25. CWChris Williamson1:03:17

       I love it, man. I love, I love the, uh, solitude and the peace that you get doing something that you know well, and that you can get better at.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

       Yeah.

   27. CWChris Williamson1:03:26

       And I, I often think about, uh, like three types of Chris. Dopamine Chris, Serotonin Chris, and Cortisol Chris.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:33

       (laughs)

   29. CWChris Williamson1:03:33

       And my goal is to spend as much time in Serotonin Chris as possible. But, you know, Dopamine Chris is, plays on modern wisdom, and, and growing the channel, and, and, and money, and, and-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:44

       Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:15:33

   Section 6

   1. CWChris Williamson1:15:00

      So, someone will be offered, "Hey, Joe, we want to give you a raise. You've been doing really well at work, but this is gonna come with more responsibility. We're gonna need you in the office earlier, and you're gonna be in charge of this floor of 10 people." "Okay, how much more money have you got?" "Well, I've got $15,000 added onto the observable metric." "But what's the hidden metric cost that you're paying for that?" "Well, peace of mind, and time with your partner, or you take a- another job somewhere else and your commute is now 45 minutes longer in both directions."

Episode duration: 3:05:20