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NYPD “dance team” clip sparks talk about policing morale and priorities
- NANarrator
(drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) I like how you did the Cliffs Notes. That's a slick move.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, how about that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, that's very smart because it ... Big print, too, for dummies like me. This is nice.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, how about that?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. I'm excited to read this, man. You are, uh, a great giver of, of advice, sir. What is it like to carry that burden in a wild world? (laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well, I'll tell you what, uh, I ain't looking for something to do.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(laughs) I don't have to look very far.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. It's a wild time of, uh, mass confusion, people losing their fucking minds. Very strange.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, it really is. And, you know, I keep thinking, this is about as crazy as it can get, and then I go ... I get up, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
And you see the NYPD dance team.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(laughs) I haven't seen that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, here we go.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
All right, you gotta show me.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
The NYPD in the middle of the craziest migrant crisis that anybody's ever experienced, in the middle of, uh, places where you arre- you attack police officers, violently attack police officers, and you release with no bail like that, (snaps fingers) right back out on the street.
- NANarrator
(upbeat music plays) Dance all night long.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(sighs)
- JRJoe Rogan
This is the NYPD dance team, so they developed a dance team.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
You remember when you were a kid and you thought about the fall of the Roman Empire-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and you were like, "Did they see it coming?"
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
You think this is a clue?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Is that what you're thinking?
- JRJoe Rogan
I was just, I, I ... A, a bigger clue would be an alien landing on the White House lawn. It ... That's the only thing bigger. (laughs) This is insanity. The fact that they would, A, put this on television. First of all, is this the news? What is this that they put this on, Jamie?
- NANarrator
I think it's the, uh, like, the New York News, yeah, or-
- 2:21 – 4:41
“Defund the police” backlash: one job vs. multiple hats (social worker, counselor, cop)
- JRJoe Rogan
I don't blame 'em either. They, uh ... This is not the solution, but they should be-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they should be massively funded, not defunded. You should train them better. You should ... If you've got all these situations with people, you got people that, I mean, how much training is involved today in this time of such a, a demand for police officers, right? Like, they're d- trying really hard to get police officers. They should train 'em like they train Navy SEALs. It should be, like, a very difficult process to get through, and we should be very thankful that people are doing the job, and they should be rewarded and treated well.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
You know what really drives me crazy about this defunding that went on and, of course ... I, I think everybody's decided that was, like, a either really bad idea or really poorly worded idea either way, but listen, the last thing you wanna do is try to get police officers to wear three or four different hats. You don't want 'em showing up saying, "Okay, I, I wanna try to be a social worker and a psychologist and defuse all of this and all." A police officer should show up and enforce the law. If not, people are gonna get shot and killed. Police officers should show up and suppress illegal activity, disarm people that are a threat, and after all that's done, then fine, bring in somebody that is a social worker or whatever. But you don't want a police officer doing all of that stuff. They're there to do one job, and that is suppress illegal behavior, disarm dangerous people, and they need to do it as quickly and efficiently as they can. They don't wanna do all that other s- They got one job.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
And, and they need to do that one job and do it very well, and they don't need people in there saying, "Well, you need to kinda talk to them and you need to this, you need to that." I'm not saying be heavy-handed or badge-heavy, but they need to do what they're there to do and then let other people come in behind them and try to do all the rest of the stuff. You don't want a cop doing three different jobs. You want 'em doing one job and that's suppress illegal behavior, get it under control, and then let somebody else do everything else.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes, and you need money for that.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Of course you do.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can't have, defund the police and expect things to get better.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's ... The whole idea behind that is so insane.
- 4:41 – 6:43
“Tyranny of the fringe”: activism, social pressure, and mainstream compliance
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
It was, it w- And, and let me tell you, the, the, the people that were yelling, "Defund the police," weren't speaking for the people they were protecting. In those neighborhoods, they didn't want less police.
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
They didn't want less police. It was their businesses that were getting robbed, their businesses that were getting burned down. They didn't want less police, and it's so often that these activists, these ... And I call it tyranny of the fringe. I, I, you know, I've written this new book we'll talk about, I'm sure, in due time. But I talk about tyranny of the fringe. These activists aren't speaking for the people they say they're speaking for. They're speaking for themselves. They like the camera. They like the attention. They're not speaking for the groups they supposedly are speaking for.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it works. That's what's crazy. It's effective.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
It, it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
And in this day and age when it's attached to something like the idea of being a progressive or being a good person, being on the left, being a kind person, you go along with these things, and the next thing you know, you're supporting the wildest of the, the leftists. You're supporting Antifa. You're turning a blind eye to violent thugs. And this is how screwed up everything's gotten just over the last few years. It seems like 10 years ago, this is not possible.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
No, and it, it's accelerating and not decelerating yet, but I, I'm beginning to sense that there's a pushback.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Because I, I think you, I, I think they've made a serious miscalculation. They pushed so hard and so long that they started to wake up Middle America to the point that they're saying, "Wait a minute, what?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
That, that's not okay. When they start rewriting history, when they start rewriting science, when they start trying to get the government to co-parent with you with your child, people start saying, "Okay, (laughs) whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. I, I didn't mind when you were running around here talking crazy, but now you're starting to get into my business." Like, like my grandmother used to say, "Now you, you've gone from preaching to meddling now."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you know what, what's-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
And that's not okay.
- 6:43 – 11:55
Canada parental-rights controversy and the U.S. debate on youth gender transition
- JRJoe Rogan
... is happening in Canada, right?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
What?
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, Canada has some pretty insane cases that are going on right now about, uh, gender transition from really young kids. And there's all this pushback with, uh, parents, and there's all this, 'cause the parents are not being told that their children wanna transition. So there's this guy that was talking about these issues of parents' rights in Canada, and he specifically said that parents don't have rights in Canada, that they have... Uh, I feel like he said th- they have obligations. Is that the term he used? But he said under Canadian law, parents don't have rights. Like, what the fuck are you saying? Let me make sure that's exactly what he said before I get sued. But when I saw it, I was like, this is such a crazy thing to say. And if that's the way their law is structured, fix that.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, who, who are other people to tell you how to parent your child? And who are these people? Have they been vetted? Are they really good at parenting? D- They're supposed to be teachers.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
They're not supposed to be parents.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Y- Here, here's my problem with that. Um, if... And it, and it... Look, if you look at this right now, and I understand, I, I don't know if you know, but I've s- I'm starting my... A whole new network called Merritt Street Media.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I didn't know.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, and we launch, um, at the 1st of April. We were gonna launch at the end of February, but we've delayed it a month in order to pick up s- some massive, more massive distribution. And I, I have committed myself to owning the debate lane in America. I'm willing to let all sides come and say what they want to say, but they gotta be willing to answer hard questions. And, uh, I've had some of these folks... I've, I've already shot about 30 shows on Dr. Phil Primetime, and we're gonna have four hours of news and a whole lot of other programming, but it's all about... I mean, let's be commonsensical. Let's look at the facts. Let's look at science. Let's not look at what you want to be the truth. Let's look at what is the facts. Let's look at what is science. Um, and we've got these people that... It's interesting they choose words like, uh, gender affirming care. You know, that's, that's interesting that they call it that, but really what they're talking about is hormonal therapy or sex reassignment surgery on children. And i- in fairness, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American is... Endocrine Society or whatever, uh, the exact name of that is, all of the major medical associations have signed off on this, Joe. They've signed off on it. And I, I have never seen those organizations sign off on anything with less information as to whether or not it does long-term harm of anything in my life. And when I, when I ask about that, when I bring that up, then they immediately label you as transphobic. And I, I, I thought that the deal was first do no harm. And all of the European countries s-... You know, Sweden, Norway, they, they've all stopped doing it because they say, "We cannot say in good conscience that this does no harm," because it does harm. If, if, if you look at the long-term consequences if someone changes their mind at, at 10, 11, 12, 13 years old, um, they can't decide which pajamas they want to wear at night. And their reason for doing it is, it stops this drive for suicide, that there's a suicide epidemic. It doesn't fix that. It doesn't fix all the comorbid issues that come along with feeling like they're in the wrong body. Um, but yet they're pushing this. And i- it's... We're going to do some shows that are already taped that are revealing what the real results of this are. And I think people are going to be shocked that these medical organizations have signed off on this. I think they've just given in to the pressure.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's... I just don't understand where the pressure's coming from. Another phrase they're using now is life-saving gender affirming care. They like to smash them all together like that.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well, I, I, I don't think that-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a gaslighting.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
I, I just don't think that there's evidence to suggest that's true.
- JRJoe Rogan
Here it is. Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Is this the guy you're talking about?
- JRJoe Rogan
He said, "There's no such thing as parental rights in Canada. Children have rights in Canada, and those kinds of policies restrict the rights children have." This is a wild thing, man. It's, it's-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well...
- JRJoe Rogan
I've never seen anything like it.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
But America's not far behind that because-
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- 11:55 – 22:58
Teachers, secrecy, and “social contagion”: who is qualified to guide life-altering decisions?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
... I've, I've talked to a lot of teachers, and they're telling me that they have a duty to the children, that if the child is not ready to talk to their parents about this, that it's okay for them to keep a secret from the child. Now, let me tell you what my problems with this are and see what you think. Um-First off, if this is either a psychological phenomenon or a medical phenomenon, and the teachers are not trained in either psychology or medicine, they're not any more trained to deal with that than they are to take out the kid's spleen in the homeroom. So, if that's true, if it's a psychological thing, if it's, if it's gender dysphoria, or it's a, it's a medical, uh, issue, then you need someone trained in child psychology, psychiatry or medicine. And the teacher's not trained in any of those three things. Like I say, they're not any more trained in that than they are to take out the child's spleen, so h- how are they qualified to deal with that? Secondly, it's teaching the child to keep a secret from their parents. It's teaching deception and interfering between the child's relationship with their parent. Now, their issue with ... Their, their justification for that is, "Well, if the child goes home and announces this, or if we tell it to the parent, then the child could get abused. The child could get judged. The child could get kicked to the curb." Uh, but they have to admit, statistically, that that is v- very rare. And if that's the case, that's what we have child, uh, Department of Child and Family Services for. That's what we have Child Protective Services for. If that's the case, then you call in for some intervention if the child is being abused at home, for whatever reason. Um, then y- you get intervention in that way. But you don't come between the child and their parent. The parent has the right to know what's going on.
- JRJoe Rogan
Without a doubt. And also, these people that are teaching these kids, do we even know them? You don't know them. I mean, how much do you know about them before they start teaching your kids?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well, that's the thing-
- JRJoe Rogan
It could be insane. It's not like the threshold for teachers is so high that only the elite of the elite cross it. You see a lot of these weird people teaching classes, and you don't necessarily want them giving advice to children about decisions for the rest of their life. And here's an important point that people need to really take into consideration. There's a reason why they have little kids become suicide bombers, because you can talk kids into almost anything. You can talk them into believing in Santa Claus. You talk kids into believing in all kinds of ridiculous shit, because they're really young. You could easily convince them in one way or another that they're anything, that they're, they're, they're queer, that they're trans. You could 100% convince some kids of all kinds of things, especially by reinforcing it with love and support and happiness. You can convince people of a lot of things. That's what's uncomfortable for a lot of people. For a lot of gay people, they're uncomfortable with the idea that a lot of these kids are just going to grow up to become gay. My friend Tim Dillons talked about that a bunch. He says it's homophobic. It's like, it's like they're trying to say, "No, you're a girl," when really, maybe you're just gay. Like, that's okay. It was always a thing, and now all of a sudden it's getting ... You're, you're looking at little kids, they might just be gay kids, and you're saying, "Maybe you're a girl. Maybe you need to go to a gender reassigning surgery center and never have an erection or an orgasm for the rest of your life." Like, what the fuck are we doing?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Uh, it-
- JRJoe Rogan
They're so young.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
It, it's not ... I, I don't think it's appropriate or safe for children, and I think you have ... There is a huge body of literature, uh, that addresses these issues from end to end. There's not a huge body of literature about the transgender population, and that's the problem. And what literature is out there suggests that you get... And this is wh- This is what you see from, um, the European countries. They've done study after study from, uh, these suppressive hormones compared to doing psychotherapy, and there's not much difference. If you do psychotherapy, you can ease the depression, you can ease the suicidal tendencies with psychotherapy without doing the irreversible things. They say, "Well, you can reverse those things." No, that's not true. If, if you arrest the development, that can have ramifications long-term, or at least they can't say it doesn't have ramifications long-term.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's also serious side effects from the hormone blockers.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well, of course. And that's ... A- and if you're doing testosterone blockers, for example, um, that does have long-term consequences. And my point is, they can't say it doesn't. They don't have a body of literature that says it doesn't. And I'm ... Look, I'm not a physician.
- JRJoe Rogan
What do you think is behind it, though? Like what, how did this ... If it ... This is so contrary to the way most people feel. What do you think is behind it? Especially the push towards children, affirming children. Do you think it's because there's people that are queer or LBGT, whatever, and they want other people to be a part of their, their group? Is it they want more LBGT people, they want to encourage this behavior? They think it's suppressed, and maybe there's more people that are gay or whatever, and they want to come out and they just get suppressed by it, so they're trying to make it, like more enthusiastic? Like how is, how is this trans thing becoming a major point of debate with children where it never has in history? In your life, in my life, there was never all this talk about trans children. Like this, it seems insane that we've forgotten that kids don't know what the fuck is going on yet.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
I think a lot of it is owing to social media platforms and the internet. I, I think, um ... This is what I'm talking about when I say the activist I don't think speak for the community at large. I think they get an agenda that they're pushing, and I think they really get wrapped up in this, and it gets a lot of oxygen on the internet. It gets a lot of oxygen on social media platform. Now they say there's no social contagion here, but the girls that are claiming to be transgender, that percentage has gone up e- e- ... Some reports say it's gone up, um, 800%, 1,000% over the last several years, and they say, "Well, that's because they feel more comfortable talking about it now." Is that true or is it because you read about it, you see it on social media and you think, "Well, I can distinguish myself in this way"? I think there is a social contagion effect, so people jump on the bandwagon, and if it's for a short period of time but they've done things that can't be reversed, I think that's really tragic. And they say there are very few de-transitioners. I don't think that's true. I think there's a lot more de-transitioners that want to reverse this and come back than are being reported.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, but there's a lot of deep shame attached to that, obviously.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's also something that you don't want people to know about. It's, it's so personal. It so- it defines you for the rest of your life. Everyone's gonna know, that's the guy that used to be a girl and became a guy again, you know? And there's all the questions and all the bullshit that comes along with that.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
I will say this. I don't think teachers want to get involved in this. I think they're getting ... I think some of them push it. I think teachers at large just wanna teach. I don't think they wanna get pulled into this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's like bad cops, right?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like you, you hear about a bad teacher and you think all teachers are like that-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
They're not.
- JRJoe Rogan
... but that's ridiculous. Most of them are just people who their, their profession, what they enjoy is teaching people.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
They do. And lemme tell you, teachers don't get into (laughs) teaching for the money. I don't, I don't know a teacher that doesn't get into their own pocket to, to get resources for the classroom, to help with the classroom, to put up signs and bring in materials for the classroom. Most of them are very dedicated. Uh, they're, they're, they're very good people that teach because they really wanna help young people. I, I think they're s- some of the most underpaid, dedicated people in this entire country, and they don't wanna deal with this stuff.
- JRJoe Rogan
Agreed. I feel the same way as I feel a- about teachers as I do about police officers. I think most of them are great.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
I do too. I, I think they're great.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just a small amount of interactions that people have. And I also think about both teachers and police officers, the stress of their job and the experiences that they have, particularly if you're a teacher, public school in maybe a sketchy area, I mean, those people are r- risking their health often. There's violence. It happens all the time to teachers. There's always cellphone videos of teachers getting be- beat up.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
I, I did a show last week with three teachers from around the country that tried to take a cellphone, you know, tell a student to put their cellphone away and got attacked, and one of them wound up in the hospital for a week, had to have knee surgery, go on worker's comp, wound up having to take bankruptcy, lost her house, a- all of that. A, a student jumped on her and just beat the hell out of her. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is this the one that was in the hallway? It was a viral video?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Uh, well, the one I'm talking about had-
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
... 67 million views.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is this a woman who was beat up by a man or, or a young boy?
- 22:58 – 27:15
Bots, swatting, and foreign manipulation: when online outrage isn’t even “people”
- JRJoe Rogan
And it's not even ... It might not even necessarily be people. I, I have a feeling a lot of the shit that we're dealing with online is, uh, foreign agents. A- and then that what they're doing is setting up thousands and thousands of accounts and targeting specific topics and, and specific things. And I think that's one of them. I think it would be a great way to weaken America, to make everybody at each other's throats about the dumbest fucking things and then even put children and chi- children's health and lives at risk with this crazy shit that we're talking about right now. And the more that stuff is going on in our country, the more there's gonna be, uh, a decay of our appreciation for America, less patriotism, less, uh, paying attention to what we're doing.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Let me tell you. I've been, uh ... Yo- you've heard all of these stories of people getting swatted?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Um, and for anybody that doesn't know, that's when they call in a phony, uh, report and so a SWAT team shows up at your house. That can go south in a hurry.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it has.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, it has.
- JRJoe Rogan
People have died.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
People have been, yeah, people have been shot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Um, since New Year's Eve, um, Robin and I have had, um, uh, SWAT incidences six times.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jesus Christ.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
And, um ...And, uh, uh, I'm no victim, so I fight back and I've got cybersecurity people, and, uh, we got involved and, uh, found out what was going on, and the source of this was a group outta Russia.
- JRJoe Rogan
Of course.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
And, uh, these-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
... and these, these bot farms, uh, when people say that, you know, you think these are phony accounts and, and people are, uh, hating on the internet and posting all this stuff up and they're not real accounts, these are ... These bot farms, some of 'em, these accounts are 10 or 12 years old and they've got millions, not 10 or 10,000 or 12,000, millions in these bot farms. And so we've been getting into all that with our cybersecurity experts, and when all of a sudden somebody targets somebody and says, "Oh, they're transphobic," or they're racist or whatever, and you get into who all's saying this, these aren't real accounts.
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
They're not real people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Exactly.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Uh, and so somebody can say, "Oh, well, I, I need to apologize for this or apologize for that." Um, you know, I know who I am. I know what I believe. I, I'm not transphobic, I'm not racist, I'm not any of those things. And so, but they jump on and start saying all that stuff about you. Well, you know, you just gotta decide you know who you are or you don't.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, it's just people need to be aware of what's going on if you're engaging in these social media platforms. That is a factor. There are real people out there and you can connect with them and it's very valuable. You can learn a lot of things.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Right, of course.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can interact with a lot of people. But also, there's a lot of fake accounts. A lot. And there was an FBI, um, a former FBI, was he an analyst, Jamie? He, he estimated that it may be as high as 80%-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... of all the accounts on Twitter are fake.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I won't say X.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Elon's my friend, but X is ridiculous. I'll say it occasionally if I'm being charitable.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(laughs) Yeah.
- 27:15 – 38:19
Smartphones and social media as the biggest societal shift since the Industrial Revolution
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Nobody wants to speak up 'cause they are- they don't wanna seem like a fool. But, uh, and, you know, I did not, I did not want to write another book. I told Robin I'd written nine books and I said, "I'm done." Uh, you know, my, my last book will be an autobiography when I'm sitting out in the backyard, uh, or playing golf every day. But I, I, I wrote this book, We- We've Got Issues: Uh, How You Can Stand Strong for America's Soul and Sanity, because I looked around at what was going on and said, "Somebody's gotta tell the truth. Somebody's gotta call this for what it is." And, uh, and I, I ... One of the big things I talk about is what happened to our society because of social media platforms and the internet. And, you know, think about it. We had the Industrial Revolution, right? And until that happened, we were a very agricultural-driven society, right? Everybody worked on the farm. And so family units were really tight because everybody had to work all day every day. And so they'd come in at noon and have a meal, and they'd come back at dinnertime and, you know, have dinner. Um, and everybody worked together on the farm. But then when things got mechanized with the Industrial Revolution, then people moved to the city. And we went from 95%, um, agricultural to now it's about 1%. And that was a huge change in the human race. And there's not been that big a change until 2008 or 2009, and that was the advent of the smartphone. It was like big airplanes flew over the country and dropped smartphones on everybody. That's the biggest change in society since the Industrial Revolution. Think about it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
We went from walking around with our heads up like this to down. People check their phone an average of 352 times a day.
- JRJoe Rogan
(exhales)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Think about 352 times a day.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's insane.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Now, that's adults and children alike. And, and look what happened to kids. When, when I turned 16, when I was 15 and (laughs) 364 days, 23 hours (laughs) and 59 minutes, I was at the DMV waiting to get my driver's license, right? Now, kids turn 16, they don't even go get their driver's license.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
"Eh, I'll get it sometime." I don't-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yep. They Uber it.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
They start dating later, they start having sex later, they s- get their driver's license, everything later. Why? Because they're watching people live their lives on the internet instead of living their own lives.And in '08, '09, and '10, we saw the biggest spikes in depression, anxiety, suicide, and loneliness since they've been keeping records. That's when the cellphones came out. That's when smartphones came out. That's when the internet blew up. Because people started watching people live their lives, instead of living their own life, and those lives they were watching were fiction. And they compared their life to that life and said, "I suck."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, there's a lot of depression amongst women. More self-harm than ever, and more suicidal ideology and suicide. It's like, Jonathan Haidt's work, um, um, the Coddling of the American Mind-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
It shows, like, it was a real spike when social media becomes invented 'cause you're comparing yourself and it just, there's no comparing. You can't compare. It's not-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
First of all, those people are either surgically altered or they're using filters. There's a lot of them. I mean, some of them are natural, but for the most part, you're getting these glamorous depictions of a life that's impossible for you to imagine and it's depressing.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, and so I've had influencers on the show that said, "I post a video where I'm putting on all these clothes and saying I'm going to the NBA All Star game."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
"And, you know, should I wear this or should I wear that?" They said, "As soon as that camera stops, I carefully take those clothes off because I don't own them. I have to take them back to the store. I'm not going to the NBA All Star game. I'm gonna sit on the couch in my sweats, just like everybody else."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
There's, you've seen it, there's that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Private jet thing?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
... that, that private jet thing in Santa Monica.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
They rent that out by the 15 minutes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you go into a fake private jet and you take photos like you're, you know, living the jet set lifestyle-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... but you're just on a set somewhere. (laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
It's in a f- it's in a warehouse-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- 38:19 – 45:43
AI deepfakes and scams: the new fraud economy and election-year risks
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Now, this AI is gonna change things in a big way. Um, and these, you know, we're in an election year right now and, you know, creating deepfakes, uh, using AI, um, I, I'm really wondering if it's gonna drive the election in, in some ways this year, because, uh, it's getting so good. I, I've seen myself in ads selling products. I mean, me talking-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
... selling ads, selling products I've never even heard of. It's not me.
- JRJoe Rogan
Same as me. Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
It's a deepfake.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's hundreds of them. I saw a Warren Buffett one that's all over the internet. It's Warren Buffett getting interviewed by a lady on CNN about Bitcoin, and it's everywhere. Uh, I can see-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If I pull up my feed right now, I will show you. And I, I don't understand how they can't find this and make it so that some- no one can upload it, but this, this video is in... I'll show you this 'cause it's so crazy. There's, it's in so much of my feed. All these giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
These are all different versions of the same video. It's, it's like 35% of my feed, all these giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's so many of them, and it's all the same thing. It's all Warren Buffett telling you about Bitcoin and some thing that they're doing, and it's all a deepfake.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, that... And I, I don't know how... We, we, we try to send out cease and desist letters and all this stuff. They just, they just change the corporate entity and pop up again.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've done the whole rabbit hole. It goes all the way back to Russia. (laughs) It's the same kind of thing.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Exactly.
- JRJoe Rogan
Or it goes somewhere else.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, there's, uh, a bunch of foreign countries that are doing it, and they're doing it for, especially with these kind of things, it's like the Nigerian print scam. It's like they-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... they know how to make money. You just, you don't have to get everybody. If you cast a wide net, you get a few fish, you know?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And most fish are like, "Oh, I see that net. Get the fuck out of here." But there's a lot of people-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that are just dull minded and they've got a little bit of money in their bank account, and next thing you know, they're investing in some fake Bitcoin exchange.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, we see it in the love scams all the time, and-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, the love scams are horrible.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
... and they're coming out... And it's so sad because they're, you know, these are, uh, elderly women that are retired and in sometimes 30, 60 days, they'll take what they spent their entire life accumulating, and it's gone. I mean, there's no getting it back. It's gone.
- JRJoe Rogan
And it's just interaction on email with someone? Is that what it is?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- 45:43 – 59:13
Border crisis overview: processing vs. enforcement and the “two uniforms” dynamic
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well, I've be- I've been to the border recently, and, um, I, I, I talked to those guards down there, and I- I'm, I'm telling you, I, I, I, I spent just a day down there, and I know there have been people that have spent a lot more time down there than that. Uh, but, uh, what, what I heard down there, um, was e- even knowing... I, I felt like I knew a lot about it before I went down there, but, um, I was shocked. As much as I thought I knew about it, I was shocked when I got down there. Um, the... First off, the morale, um, among those guards down there is, i- i- the fact that they're hanging in and, and doing as well as they are, um, is, uh... They're turning into social workers. You know, they went down there to be guards, and they say, "What we're doing now instead of apprehending these people is we're greeting these people, and we're processing them and giving them money and resources." And it's interesting. There's... You've been down there, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
I have not.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Um, you know, there are the Texas border guards, and they wear brown uniforms, and then there are the federal that wear green. And if you get apprehended by a brown uniform, you get arrested, processed, and sent back. If you get apprehended by a green uniform, you get arrested, processed, given a court date in four years, seven years, or whatever, and released into the country. So, they run to the green uniforms and run away from the brown uniforms. Same job, different color uniforms. The green uniforms, they, their court date might be seven years. But if they, if they run into a green uniform, they get processed, money, and they're into the country.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's wild.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
And when did that start happening?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Um, you know, it's been going on for a good while. Now, Abbott, uh, of course, has been busing s-... Taking some of them and busing them up-... into different locations.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Um, instead of sending them back, uh, which has lately been something you can't do. You, you, you can't send them back. So, it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
So they can't send them back now?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well, I don't know what they're doing with them since this last thing that they just came up with. Um, uh, I, and, and talking to, um, uh, in, in, in talking to, um, the union guy who's head of the union for all of the guards, it was interesting. I asked him, um, "What do you need? What do you need down here to do your job?" Um, his name is Brandon Judd. And he said, "We don't need more money. We don't need more agents. We don't need new legislation. We just need you to let us do our job. We just need you to apply the laws that exist now and we'll be fine." Well, you don't need ... we don't, we don't ... I said, "Wait a minute. Y- y- y- you're telling me you don't need more money or more agents?" He said, "No, just let us do our job." If you just ... we, we had in place a hold in Mexico, instead of come over here, just, just use the, the legislation that's on the books and we're fine. We, we don't ... we're, we're not, we're not trying to keep people out. We just want to have a, a- enough of a flow control that we know who's coming in. We're ... they're not ... these aren't bad guys that are trying to be mean to people down there. They're just ... we just need to know who it is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, what do you think the motivation is behind the federal border patrol people letting people go? Like, whose decision is this and why? Why ... f- forget about whose. We don't know that, right? Why?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(clears throat)
- JRJoe Rogan
Why would they want that?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(clears throat)
- JRJoe Rogan
What are the benefits of that? Is it cheap labor? Is it people eventually that will vote?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well, I think it's virtue signaling. I, I, I think they-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's it?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
... they've taken this position that said, "Hey, you know, we, we, we want everybody." And I, I get that. Listen, I'm very pro-immigration. I, I just think it needs to be legal.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
You, you need to go through the process.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
It's a felony to enter this country illegally. And so ... but they're doing that. And they're, they're pulling them out of the water. They're pulling them off of the wall and processing them and giving them a, a court date that, because of our system, is sometimes 7 or 10 years. Um, and then they're legally in the country. They've got papers. They can say, "No, no, I was processed at the border." They're just not coming through the ports of entry.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, but you're aware this is happening all over the world, right?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. So what do you think the motivation? There's gotta be some sort of a decision that's been made to allow this to happen, or to not stop it from happening, or to encourage it to happen. It's not like this is, like, a spontaneous, organic movement. People just decide to move to Europe and people just decide to move to America. It seems like it's something coordinated, right?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well, look at it this way. (clears throat) You, you ... look at California, for example. And I, I'm ... you know, I said in We've Got Issues, I talk about 10 principles for a healthy society. And one is you don't reward bad behavior. W- we've got people that we know are lawbreakers if they're coming in illegally. And so what do we expect them to do, uh, once they get here? Um, and we're rewarding that behavior. They come in illegally, we reward it by giving them a free pass for 7 to 10 years because that's how long it's gonna take for them to get a hearing. And you know how many will show up for that hearing? And most people would say none. No, I bet you they all show up for their hearings because it's been 7 to 10 years and they'll show up and say, "Hey, I've been waiting 7 to 10 years." The system will probably, at that point, let them stay. They've been here 7 to 10 years. They've had children who are citizens because they were now born in the country. I bet you a high percentage of them show up for those hearings because they will predict getting a good result when they show up for the hearing. And they'll have American-born children at that point. So we're subsidizing behavior that we don't want. We don't know who it is and we've got, um, between ... they tell me that between 2010 and 2020, they had about 11 to 1500 Chinese come across the border. And in the first 11 months of 2023, they had about 33,000 come across the border.
- JRJoe Rogan
Are you worried about that in terms of it being a military threat? Are you thinking these are people that are escaping a totalitarian, oppressive government and they want to be able to make their own money and, and live in the land of the free and the home of the brave?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Both?
- 59:13 – 1:03:19
Border video: rapid DNA testing ended and allegations of facilitating child trafficking
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Can you play that?
- NANarrator
Yeah. Uh, maybe.
- JRJoe Rogan
What is it?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
This is from the border.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a video of the border?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah. It's me talking to that Brandon Judd at the border.
- NANarrator
Okay. Here we go.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Will it play? (instrumental music plays) These children that are coming in with someone that says I'm their mother or aunt, uncle, or whatever, we have no way of verifying that?
- NANarrator
We do not. We used to. President... Under, under President Trump, we had rapid DNA testing. That's been done away with.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Are they given money, these people that are released into the country?
- NANarrator
So it's our taxpayers that ultimately facilitate the travel, but yes, travel is facilitated, and they are given all the necessities that they need.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
But that could be a trafficker.
- NANarrator
There's a very good possibility that they're being trafficked, that they're going into the sex industry, or they're being forced into the sweatshops.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
And, and we know that.
- NANarrator
We do.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
We're... We knowingly are spending our tax dollars to sell children into sex trafficking. How, under any theory, is that okay for us to be spending tax dollars to traffic children?
- JRJoe Rogan
Holy shit.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Now, this is the head guy on the border, and I, I asked him when, uh, this went on a little more, we went in more depth, "You know you're on camera here, right? Y- y- y- y- you just said we're spending tax dollars to sell children into sex slavery." And he said, "Yeah." I said, "Why have you not talked about this?" He said, "Nobody's ever asked me these pointed questions, but I'm grateful that you're asking them now." That's how out of control we are down there. We are se- we are paying money to take these children and sell them into sex slavery. They, they, they come in with these addresses written on their bodies, written on their arm, and we call up there and say, uh, "Do you know so-and-so?" "Yeah, yes, uh-huh, we're waiting for them." "Okay, they'll be on a plane or a bus and you need to pick them up." And, and I ask him, uh, "So some pimp or trafficker, whatever is picking them up up there?" And he said, "We are knowingly sending them up there for that." And he said, "It's terrible, but that's what's happening."
- JRJoe Rogan
That's insane. That is insane. And there's no way of verifying with their parents they're going to or an aunt they're going to? There's no way of verifying it. And it's-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
I, I asked him, he said no.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now, what, what justification could possibly exist where they would stop doing the rapid DNA test?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(inhales deeply) Y-
- JRJoe Rogan
What I mean, what, what possible justification would there be to stop that?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
It, it, it makes no sense because you, y- y- y- if, if they find out, well, this isn't their parent, then, okay, what are they gonna do with the child? And so-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
... I, I guess don't ask and then you don't have the responsibility, but they're sending these children up there. And he's saying, "We are knowingly," he, "We're knowingly sending them into either a sweatshop or the sex industry up there."
- JRJoe Rogan
Has anybody tried to do an expose? Has anybody tried to follow the children?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Well, that's why I was asking.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Because I'm like, "W- has somebody gotten on the same bus or plane and see who's picking them up or-
- 1:03:19 – 1:18:32
China-linked concerns: farmland near bases, infrastructure tech, and national security fears
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah. So we've got, uh, uh, we, uh, uh, I then dug into what's happening with Chinese buying, uh, the Chinese government or Chinese nationals buying, uh, farmland. And, um, uh, I've, I've got a map, if I can find it, of, of where they're buying this land, and it's around US military installations. They're buying up land around US military installations. And, um, and so when you look at the amount of land that they're buying, it's not all that mu- I, I mean, it's a lot of land, but given as much land as there is, it's like maybe less than 1%. But when you look at it strategically around military installations, um, it's, um, i- i- it's, it's really, uh, concerning. And, um, and then when you look at what's happening at those military installations that they have land around, like B-2 Stealth bomber training, uh, drone training and all, it's, uh, very, very troubling.
- JRJoe Rogan
God, it's so strategic where it's all placed.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah. If I can get a hold of that map and show it to you (...)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) It's kinda, it's kinda crazy that United States has been invaded. And when did that start?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
With the purchase of far- farmland.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
You know, it, it's been going on.
- JRJoe Rogan
For how long?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Um...
- JRJoe Rogan
Like when did it f- it's a, uh, so this is talking about, uh, Sun owns 40% of Chinese-owned land in the US. He owns over 100,000 acres of land in Val Verde County, Texas, uh, although his two companies, Brazos Highland Properties in Harvest, Texas, or through his two companies. His purchases in 2016, 2017, his plans to build a wind farm as well as his purported ties to Chinese military drew scrutiny in Texas several years after his acquisitions. He ultimately has, was denied permission to proceed with his wind farm plans. So they own the land, but they won't let him proceed with the wind farm.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, and they're building a windfarm where it's not very windy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh. (laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Uh, but it does-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
... butt up against a strategic military installment.
- JRJoe Rogan
What a coincidence. This is the best land that was available.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Sorry.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
So-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, why, how would that be possible here under logical laws? Because in China you can't do that. They're smart. You can't just buy their land.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
We absolutely cannot buy farmland there.
- JRJoe Rogan
No. No, you can't buy their businesses either.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Now, we, we had a man on, uh, talking about this, a farmer, and he said they also own the grain elevator where we sell our grain. The Chinese own that, the Chinese government owns that. So, and I said Chinese government, Chinese own that. Now, is it the government? Is it a government agent? Who owns it? He said it's Chinese owned and controlled. If they decide to stop buying his grain, I said, "What happens?" He said, "Well, f-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Fucked.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
We're outta business.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. (groans) And then you take that, on top of that, the topsoil crisis in this country.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They've got like 60 more crops left. (laughs)
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Unless they do something radical to change it.
- 1:18:32 – 1:37:30
Universities and “intellectual rot”: debate culture, trigger warnings, and presentism
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
You know what worries me about our young generation is, y- you know, I don't, I don't know if you...... saw what I had to say about, um, Harvard and...
- JRJoe Rogan
All that craziness with the anti-Semitic talk?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, we've talked about that ad nauseum.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
(sighs) Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
It was insane, right?
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
You know, (sighs) I, I, I think one of the things I said was all they're doing is creating intellectual rot. They're not teaching these kids anything about, um, critical thinking. Um, I, I don't know what they're teaching at universities now, but if they're not teaching critical thinking, if they're not teaching these kids who we're getting ready to turn the world over to, um, for your kids and Jay's kids, um, my grandkids, how are they, how are they gonna think their way through this? I mean, we're selling them this land here, and we're getting ready to turn the world over to kids who, uh, will be adults that w- we're not teaching to critically think, we're not teaching a meritocracy. W- w- how the hell does that work?
- JRJoe Rogan
We're also not encouraging different opinions. I mean, universities have always been a battleground of intellectual discourse, where people get together-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and they debate things. But if you have an opposing opinion, they'll pull the fire alarm. They'll, they'll chant and scream and stop you from talking. They'll try to block speakers from coming. They'll call in bomb threats, wild shit that is the exact opposite of what university is supposed to be about. What debates are supposed to be about is an opportunity to prove that you're right. And if you're really good at debating, you can make that person look foolish, and you will recruit more people to your side of thinking. That's a great way to figure out who's right and who's wrong. If you really believe that your opinions are so much more valid than some person who's a conservative Christian, let that person talk. Get on stage with them. Have an open discourse in front of the entire population of the student body. Let them all come, have it for free, let people ask questions that they want. Just do it orderly and politely, and let's get to the bottom of it. Let's get to the bottom of it, and let's find out who's wrong and who's got ridiculous ideologies and who's looking at things from a fact-based perspective. Or maybe there's a little bit of something from both sides you agree with, but there's only one way to find out, and you're not getting that from universities anymore.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
No, you've got to air it out. And, you know, what I've said a- about, about Merit Street, uh, Media is I want to own the debate lane in America because nobody else is doing that. So, I mean, what an opportunity, right? What a void where I said, okay, look, I'll, I'll let both sides or three sides, whatever it is... Now, uh, I'm not gonna give, uh, a platform to the KKK or, you know, somebody that's just so out there it's, it's ridiculous. But, um, you know, I had a, a show I, I taped recently, um, a-about transgender, and I, I had transgender counselors who are in favor of this completely. And, and the guy's really trained. I mean, he's actually done training about this. And I, I had people that were vehemently opposed to it. But I, I gave both sides an opportunity to disc- and they had a really good discussion about it. Um, and, um, you know, let's, let's air it out, you know? If, if you think you're right, say so and say why. Um, I, I don't... And, and I, I, I say in, in the book, We've Got Issues, I say that all of the major medical organizations signed off on this. I say I don't think history's going to be very kind to them. I, I say my point of view, but I say th- listen, I'm not a physician, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But all the medical associations say, "Hey, it's a good thing to do." I disagree, and I think the empirical science supports me, but they have signed off on it. I, even in the book, I put both sides out there. I say I disagree, they don't. I had Dr. Carole Hooven on. Uh, do you know her story?
- JRJoe Rogan
No. Oh, yes. No, I've had... Carole Hooven, yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Carole Hooven.
- JRJoe Rogan
I've had her on the podcast.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, great l- isn't she a nice lady?
- JRJoe Rogan
She's a great lady. I thought you said Hooven on.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
No, Hooven.
- JRJoe Rogan
I thought what... that name.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Um...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, um, no, she was on-
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
About-
- JRJoe Rogan
... quite a while ago.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
About transgender athletes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
Yeah, and she said the science is clear.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- PMDr. Phil McGraw
There's no way you can ever equate... You, you can't take enough testosterone blockers to equate to ever get that back balanced again. She was on my show and Fox & Friends. They drummed her out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
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