Joe Rogan Experience #2105 - Dr. Phil

Narrator 0:00 (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) I like how you did the Cliffs Notes. That's a slick move.

Dr. Phil McGraw 0:15 Yeah, how about that?

Joe Rogan 0:15 Yeah, that's very smart because it ... Big print, too, for dummies like me. This is nice.

Dr. Phil McGraw 0:22 Yeah, how about that?

Joe Rogan 0:23 Yeah. I'm excited to read this, man. You are, uh, a great giver of, of advice, sir. What is it like to carry that burden in a wild world? (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 0:33 Well, I'll tell you what, uh, I ain't looking for something to do.

Joe Rogan 0:38 (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 0:39 (laughs) I don't have to look very far.

Joe Rogan 0:41 Yeah. It's a wild time of, uh, mass confusion, people losing their fucking minds. Very strange.

Dr. Phil McGraw 0:49 Yeah, it really is. And, you know, I keep thinking, this is about as crazy as it can get, and then I go ... I get up, and-

Joe Rogan 0:57 And you see the NYPD dance team.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:00 (laughs) I haven't seen that.

Joe Rogan 1:01 Okay, here we go.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:02 All right, you gotta show me.

Joe Rogan 1:04 (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:06 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06 The NYPD in the middle of the craziest migrant crisis that anybody's ever experienced, in the middle of, uh, places where you arre- you attack police officers, violently attack police officers, and you release with no bail like that, (snaps fingers) right back out on the street.

Narrator 1:23 (upbeat music plays) Dance all night long.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:24 (sighs)

Joe Rogan 1:24 This is the NYPD dance team, so they developed a dance team.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:31 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:33 You remember when you were a kid and you thought about the fall of the Roman Empire-

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:36 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:36 ... and you were like, "Did they see it coming?"

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:40 You think this is a clue?

Joe Rogan 1:41 (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:43 Is that what you're thinking?

Joe Rogan 1:44 I was just, I, I ... A, a bigger clue would be an alien landing on the White House lawn. It ... That's the only thing bigger. (laughs) This is insanity. The fact that they would, A, put this on television. First of all, is this the news? What is this that they put this on, Jamie?

Narrator 1:58 I think it's the, uh, like, the New York News, yeah, or-

Joe Rogan 2:00 Okay. Isn't there a lot of other shit that's the news, that's, like, really important for people to know about right now? (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 2:06 You know what? I'll tell you. Anything that lifts morale with law enforcement right now-

Joe Rogan 2:12 That's true.

Dr. Phil McGraw 2:13 ... I, that, you, you gotta give 'em that. Anything that lifts their morale and bonds 'em, 'cause they got the lowest morale ever, and I don't blame them.

Joe Rogan 2:21 I don't blame 'em either. They, uh ... This is not the solution, but they should be-

Dr. Phil McGraw 2:25 No.

Joe Rogan 2:25 ... they should be massively funded, not defunded. You should train them better. You should ... If you've got all these situations with people, you got people that, I mean, how much training is involved today in this time of such a, a demand for police officers, right? Like, they're d- trying really hard to get police officers. They should train 'em like they train Navy SEALs. It should be, like, a very difficult process to get through, and we should be very thankful that people are doing the job, and they should be rewarded and treated well.

Dr. Phil McGraw 2:54 You know what really drives me crazy about this defunding that went on and, of course ... I, I think everybody's decided that was, like, a either really bad idea or really poorly worded idea either way, but listen, the last thing you wanna do is try to get police officers to wear three or four different hats. You don't want 'em showing up saying, "Okay, I, I wanna try to be a social worker and a psychologist and defuse all of this and all." A police officer should show up and enforce the law. If not, people are gonna get shot and killed. Police officers should show up and suppress illegal activity, disarm people that are a threat, and after all that's done, then fine, bring in somebody that is a social worker or whatever. But you don't want a police officer doing all of that stuff. They're there to do one job, and that is suppress illegal behavior, disarm dangerous people, and they need to do it as quickly and efficiently as they can. They don't wanna do all that other s- They got one job.

Joe Rogan 4:06 Right.

Dr. Phil McGraw 4:07 And, and they need to do that one job and do it very well, and they don't need people in there saying, "Well, you need to kinda talk to them and you need to this, you need to that." I'm not saying be heavy-handed or badge-heavy, but they need to do what they're there to do and then let other people come in behind them and try to do all the rest of the stuff. You don't want a cop doing three different jobs. You want 'em doing one job and that's suppress illegal behavior, get it under control, and then let somebody else do everything else.

Joe Rogan 4:33 Yes, and you need money for that.

Dr. Phil McGraw 4:35 Of course you do.

Joe Rogan 4:36 You can't have, defund the police and expect things to get better.

Dr. Phil McGraw 4:38 No.

Joe Rogan 4:39 It's ... The whole idea behind that is so insane.

Dr. Phil McGraw 4:41 It was, it w- And, and let me tell you, the, the, the people that were yelling, "Defund the police," weren't speaking for the people they were protecting. In those neighborhoods, they didn't want less police.

Joe Rogan 4:53 No.

Dr. Phil McGraw 4:54 They didn't want less police. It was their businesses that were getting robbed, their businesses that were getting burned down. They didn't want less police, and it's so often that these activists, these ... And I call it tyranny of the fringe. I, I, you know, I've written this new book we'll talk about, I'm sure, in due time. But I talk about tyranny of the fringe. These activists aren't speaking for the people they say they're speaking for. They're speaking for themselves. They like the camera. They like the attention. They're not speaking for the groups they supposedly are speaking for.

Joe Rogan 5:27 And it works. That's what's crazy. It's effective.

Dr. Phil McGraw 5:29 It, it is.

Joe Rogan 5:29 And in this day and age when it's attached to something like the idea of being a progressive or being a good person, being on the left, being a kind person, you go along with these things, and the next thing you know, you're supporting the wildest of the, the leftists. You're supporting Antifa. You're turning a blind eye to violent thugs. And this is how screwed up everything's gotten just over the last few years. It seems like 10 years ago, this is not possible.

Dr. Phil McGraw 5:54 No, and it, it's accelerating and not decelerating yet, but I, I'm beginning to sense that there's a pushback.

Joe Rogan 6:03 Oh, yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 6:03 Because I, I think you, I, I think they've made a serious miscalculation. They pushed so hard and so long that they started to wake up Middle America to the point that they're saying, "Wait a minute, what?"

Joe Rogan 6:17 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 6:17 That, that's not okay. When they start rewriting history, when they start rewriting science, when they start trying to get the government to co-parent with you with your child, people start saying, "Okay, (laughs) whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. I, I didn't mind when you were running around here talking crazy, but now you're starting to get into my business." Like, like my grandmother used to say, "Now you, you've gone from preaching to meddling now."

Joe Rogan 6:42 Well, you know what, what's-

Dr. Phil McGraw 6:43 And that's not okay.

Joe Rogan 6:43 ... is happening in Canada, right?

Dr. Phil McGraw 6:45 What?

Joe Rogan 6:45 I mean, Canada has some pretty insane cases that are going on right now about, uh, gender transition from really young kids. And there's all this pushback with, uh, parents, and there's all this, 'cause the parents are not being told that their children wanna transition. So there's this guy that was talking about these issues of parents' rights in Canada, and he specifically said that parents don't have rights in Canada, that they have... Uh, I feel like he said th- they have obligations. Is that the term he used? But he said under Canadian law, parents don't have rights. Like, what the fuck are you saying? Let me make sure that's exactly what he said before I get sued. But when I saw it, I was like, this is such a crazy thing to say. And if that's the way their law is structured, fix that.

Dr. Phil McGraw 7:34 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 7:34 Like, who, who are other people to tell you how to parent your child? And who are these people? Have they been vetted? Are they really good at parenting? D- They're supposed to be teachers.

Dr. Phil McGraw 7:43 Well-

Joe Rogan 7:43 They're not supposed to be parents.

Dr. Phil McGraw 7:44 Y- Here, here's my problem with that. Um, if... And it, and it... Look, if you look at this right now, and I understand, I, I don't know if you know, but I've s- I'm starting my... A whole new network called Merritt Street Media.

Joe Rogan 8:01 No, I didn't know.

Dr. Phil McGraw 8:02 Yeah, and we launch, um, at the 1st of April. We were gonna launch at the end of February, but we've delayed it a month in order to pick up s- some massive, more massive distribution. And I, I have committed myself to owning the debate lane in America. I'm willing to let all sides come and say what they want to say, but they gotta be willing to answer hard questions. And, uh, I've had some of these folks... I've, I've already shot about 30 shows on Dr. Phil Primetime, and we're gonna have four hours of news and a whole lot of other programming, but it's all about... I mean, let's be commonsensical. Let's look at the facts. Let's look at science. Let's not look at what you want to be the truth. Let's look at what is the facts. Let's look at what is science. Um, and we've got these people that... It's interesting they choose words like, uh, gender affirming care. You know, that's, that's interesting that they call it that, but really what they're talking about is hormonal therapy or sex reassignment surgery on children. And i- in fairness, the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American is... Endocrine Society or whatever, uh, the exact name of that is, all of the major medical associations have signed off on this, Joe. They've signed off on it. And I, I have never seen those organizations sign off on anything with less information as to whether or not it does long-term harm of anything in my life. And when I, when I ask about that, when I bring that up, then they immediately label you as transphobic. And I, I, I thought that the deal was first do no harm. And all of the European countries s-... You know, Sweden, Norway, they, they've all stopped doing it because they say, "We cannot say in good conscience that this does no harm," because it does harm. If, if, if you look at the long-term consequences if someone changes their mind at, at 10, 11, 12, 13 years old, um, they can't decide which pajamas they want to wear at night. And their reason for doing it is, it stops this drive for suicide, that there's a suicide epidemic. It doesn't fix that. It doesn't fix all the comorbid issues that come along with feeling like they're in the wrong body. Um, but yet they're pushing this. And i- it's... We're going to do some shows that are already taped that are revealing what the real results of this are. And I think people are going to be shocked that these medical organizations have signed off on this. I think they've just given in to the pressure.

Joe Rogan 11:17 Yeah, it's... I just don't understand where the pressure's coming from. Another phrase they're using now is life-saving gender affirming care. They like to smash them all together like that.

Dr. Phil McGraw 11:27 Well, I, I, I don't think that-

Joe Rogan 11:29 It's a gaslighting.

Dr. Phil McGraw 11:30 I, I just don't think that there's evidence to suggest that's true.

Joe Rogan 11:35 Here it is. Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 11:35 Is this the guy you're talking about?

Joe Rogan 11:36 He said, "There's no such thing as parental rights in Canada. Children have rights in Canada, and those kinds of policies restrict the rights children have." This is a wild thing, man. It's, it's-

Dr. Phil McGraw 11:50 Well...

Joe Rogan 11:50 I've never seen anything like it.

Dr. Phil McGraw 11:52 But America's not far behind that because-

Joe Rogan 11:54 No.

Dr. Phil McGraw 11:55 ... I've, I've talked to a lot of teachers, and they're telling me that they have a duty to the children, that if the child is not ready to talk to their parents about this, that it's okay for them to keep a secret from the child. Now, let me tell you what my problems with this are and see what you think. Um-First off, if this is either a psychological phenomenon or a medical phenomenon, and the teachers are not trained in either psychology or medicine, they're not any more trained to deal with that than they are to take out the kid's spleen in the homeroom. So, if that's true, if it's a psychological thing, if it's, if it's gender dysphoria, or it's a, it's a medical, uh, issue, then you need someone trained in child psychology, psychiatry or medicine. And the teacher's not trained in any of those three things. Like I say, they're not any more trained in that than they are to take out the child's spleen, so h- how are they qualified to deal with that? Secondly, it's teaching the child to keep a secret from their parents. It's teaching deception and interfering between the child's relationship with their parent. Now, their issue with ... Their, their justification for that is, "Well, if the child goes home and announces this, or if we tell it to the parent, then the child could get abused. The child could get judged. The child could get kicked to the curb." Uh, but they have to admit, statistically, that that is v- very rare. And if that's the case, that's what we have child, uh, Department of Child and Family Services for. That's what we have Child Protective Services for. If that's the case, then you call in for some intervention if the child is being abused at home, for whatever reason. Um, then y- you get intervention in that way. But you don't come between the child and their parent. The parent has the right to know what's going on.

Joe Rogan 14:08 Without a doubt. And also, these people that are teaching these kids, do we even know them? You don't know them. I mean, how much do you know about them before they start teaching your kids?

Dr. Phil McGraw 14:18 Well, that's the thing-

Joe Rogan 14:18 It could be insane. It's not like the threshold for teachers is so high that only the elite of the elite cross it. You see a lot of these weird people teaching classes, and you don't necessarily want them giving advice to children about decisions for the rest of their life. And here's an important point that people need to really take into consideration. There's a reason why they have little kids become suicide bombers, because you can talk kids into almost anything. You can talk them into believing in Santa Claus. You talk kids into believing in all kinds of ridiculous shit, because they're really young. You could easily convince them in one way or another that they're anything, that they're, they're, they're queer, that they're trans. You could 100% convince some kids of all kinds of things, especially by reinforcing it with love and support and happiness. You can convince people of a lot of things. That's what's uncomfortable for a lot of people. For a lot of gay people, they're uncomfortable with the idea that a lot of these kids are just going to grow up to become gay. My friend Tim Dillons talked about that a bunch. He says it's homophobic. It's like, it's like they're trying to say, "No, you're a girl," when really, maybe you're just gay. Like, that's okay. It was always a thing, and now all of a sudden it's getting ... You're, you're looking at little kids, they might just be gay kids, and you're saying, "Maybe you're a girl. Maybe you need to go to a gender reassigning surgery center and never have an erection or an orgasm for the rest of your life." Like, what the fuck are we doing?

Dr. Phil McGraw 15:42 Uh, it-

Joe Rogan 15:42 They're so young.

Dr. Phil McGraw 15:44 It, it's not ... I, I don't think it's appropriate or safe for children, and I think you have ... There is a huge body of literature, uh, that addresses these issues from end to end. There's not a huge body of literature about the transgender population, and that's the problem. And what literature is out there suggests that you get... And this is wh- This is what you see from, um, the European countries. They've done study after study from, uh, these suppressive hormones compared to doing psychotherapy, and there's not much difference. If you do psychotherapy, you can ease the depression, you can ease the suicidal tendencies with psychotherapy without doing the irreversible things. They say, "Well, you can reverse those things." No, that's not true. If, if you arrest the development, that can have ramifications long-term, or at least they can't say it doesn't have ramifications long-term.

Joe Rogan 16:58 There's also serious side effects from the hormone blockers.

Dr. Phil McGraw 17:00 Well, of course. And that's ... A- and if you're doing testosterone blockers, for example, um, that does have long-term consequences. And my point is, they can't say it doesn't. They don't have a body of literature that says it doesn't. And I'm ... Look, I'm not a physician.

Joe Rogan 17:19 What do you think is behind it, though? Like what, how did this ... If it ... This is so contrary to the way most people feel. What do you think is behind it? Especially the push towards children, affirming children. Do you think it's because there's people that are queer or LBGT, whatever, and they want other people to be a part of their, their group? Is it they want more LBGT people, they want to encourage this behavior? They think it's suppressed, and maybe there's more people that are gay or whatever, and they want to come out and they just get suppressed by it, so they're trying to make it, like more enthusiastic? Like how is, how is this trans thing becoming a major point of debate with children where it never has in history? In your life, in my life, there was never all this talk about trans children. Like this, it seems insane that we've forgotten that kids don't know what the fuck is going on yet.

Dr. Phil McGraw 18:18 I think a lot of it is owing to social media platforms and the internet. I, I think, um ... This is what I'm talking about when I say the activist I don't think speak for the community at large. I think they get an agenda that they're pushing, and I think they really get wrapped up in this, and it gets a lot of oxygen on the internet. It gets a lot of oxygen on social media platform. Now they say there's no social contagion here, but the girls that are claiming to be transgender, that percentage has gone up e- e- ... Some reports say it's gone up, um, 800%, 1,000% over the last several years, and they say, "Well, that's because they feel more comfortable talking about it now." Is that true or is it because you read about it, you see it on social media and you think, "Well, I can distinguish myself in this way"? I think there is a social contagion effect, so people jump on the bandwagon, and if it's for a short period of time but they've done things that can't be reversed, I think that's really tragic. And they say there are very few de-transitioners. I don't think that's true. I think there's a lot more de-transitioners that want to reverse this and come back than are being reported.

Joe Rogan 19:54 And, but there's a lot of deep shame attached to that, obviously.

Dr. Phil McGraw 19:56 Of course.

Joe Rogan 19:57 It's also something that you don't want people to know about. It's, it's so personal. It so- it defines you for the rest of your life. Everyone's gonna know, that's the guy that used to be a girl and became a guy again, you know? And there's all the questions and all the bullshit that comes along with that.

Dr. Phil McGraw 20:11 I will say this. I don't think teachers want to get involved in this. I think they're getting ... I think some of them push it. I think teachers at large just wanna teach. I don't think they wanna get pulled into this.

Joe Rogan 20:25 Well, it's like bad cops, right?

Dr. Phil McGraw 20:27 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 20:27 Like you, you hear about a bad teacher and you think all teachers are like that-

Dr. Phil McGraw 20:30 They're not.

Joe Rogan 20:31 ... but that's ridiculous. Most of them are just people who their, their profession, what they enjoy is teaching people.

Dr. Phil McGraw 20:36 They do. And lemme tell you, teachers don't get into (laughs) teaching for the money. I don't, I don't know a teacher that doesn't get into their own pocket to, to get resources for the classroom, to help with the classroom, to put up signs and bring in materials for the classroom. Most of them are very dedicated. Uh, they're, they're, they're very good people that teach because they really wanna help young people. I, I think they're s- some of the most underpaid, dedicated people in this entire country, and they don't wanna deal with this stuff.

Joe Rogan 21:12 Agreed. I feel the same way as I feel a- about teachers as I do about police officers. I think most of them are great.

Dr. Phil McGraw 21:18 I do too. I, I think they're great.

Joe Rogan 21:19 Just a small amount of interactions that people have. And I also think about both teachers and police officers, the stress of their job and the experiences that they have, particularly if you're a teacher, public school in maybe a sketchy area, I mean, those people are r- risking their health often. There's violence. It happens all the time to teachers. There's always cellphone videos of teachers getting be- beat up.

Dr. Phil McGraw 21:42 I, I did a show last week with three teachers from around the country that tried to take a cellphone, you know, tell a student to put their cellphone away and got attacked, and one of them wound up in the hospital for a week, had to have knee surgery, go on worker's comp, wound up having to take bankruptcy, lost her house, a- all of that. A, a student jumped on her and just beat the hell out of her. Uh-

Joe Rogan 22:08 Is this the one that was in the hallway? It was a viral video?

Dr. Phil McGraw 22:11 Uh, well, the one I'm talking about had-

Joe Rogan 22:14 Uh-

Dr. Phil McGraw 22:14 ... 67 million views.

Joe Rogan 22:16 Is this a woman who was beat up by a man or, or a young boy?

Dr. Phil McGraw 22:19 Uh, no. I saw that one. This one was beat up by a girl.

Joe Rogan 22:22 Another girl?

Dr. Phil McGraw 22:22 And, you know, here's the thing. There were all of these students taking videos of it, but nobody helping. Finally, somebody pulled the, the girl off the teacher.

Joe Rogan 22:33 Mm. Well, they're scared.

Dr. Phil McGraw 22:34 Uh, and-

Joe Rogan 22:35 If you jump in, they'll attack you and, you know-

Dr. Phil McGraw 22:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:37 ... people are scared.

Dr. Phil McGraw 22:38 It, it is scary. And, you know, people will hear us talk about this and say, "Oh, you're transphobic. You're that-" I don't hate anybody. I, I just am concerned for the welfare of young people that get led in a particular direction.

Joe Rogan 22:54 Well, that's just a way to silence people from talking about it.

Dr. Phil McGraw 22:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 22:56 They'll say you're transphobic.

Dr. Phil McGraw 22:58 Well ...

Joe Rogan 22:58 And it's not even ... It might not even necessarily be people. I, I have a feeling a lot of the shit that we're dealing with online is, uh, foreign agents. A- and then that what they're doing is setting up thousands and thousands of accounts and targeting specific topics and, and specific things. And I think that's one of them. I think it would be a great way to weaken America, to make everybody at each other's throats about the dumbest fucking things and then even put children and chi- children's health and lives at risk with this crazy shit that we're talking about right now. And the more that stuff is going on in our country, the more there's gonna be, uh, a decay of our appreciation for America, less patriotism, less, uh, paying attention to what we're doing.

Dr. Phil McGraw 23:45 Let me tell you. I've been, uh ... Yo- you've heard all of these stories of people getting swatted?

Joe Rogan 23:50 Yes.

Dr. Phil McGraw 23:51 Um, and for anybody that doesn't know, that's when they call in a phony, uh, report and so a SWAT team shows up at your house. That can go south in a hurry.

Joe Rogan 24:03 And it has.

Dr. Phil McGraw 24:04 Yeah, it has.

Joe Rogan 24:04 People have died.

Dr. Phil McGraw 24:05 People have been, yeah, people have been shot.

Joe Rogan 24:06 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 24:07 Um, since New Year's Eve, um, Robin and I have had, um, uh, SWAT incidences six times.

Joe Rogan 24:18 Jesus Christ.

Dr. Phil McGraw 24:19 And, um ...And, uh, uh, I'm no victim, so I fight back and I've got cybersecurity people, and, uh, we got involved and, uh, found out what was going on, and the source of this was a group outta Russia.

Joe Rogan 24:39 Of course.

Dr. Phil McGraw 24:40 And, uh, these-

Joe Rogan 24:42 (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 24:43 ... and these, these bot farms, uh, when people say that, you know, you think these are phony accounts and, and people are, uh, hating on the internet and posting all this stuff up and they're not real accounts, these are ... These bot farms, some of 'em, these accounts are 10 or 12 years old and they've got millions, not 10 or 10,000 or 12,000, millions in these bot farms. And so we've been getting into all that with our cybersecurity experts, and when all of a sudden somebody targets somebody and says, "Oh, they're transphobic," or they're racist or whatever, and you get into who all's saying this, these aren't real accounts.

Joe Rogan 25:29 Exactly.

Dr. Phil McGraw 25:29 They're not real people.

Joe Rogan 25:30 Exactly.

Dr. Phil McGraw 25:31 Uh, and so somebody can say, "Oh, well, I, I need to apologize for this or apologize for that." Um, you know, I know who I am. I know what I believe. I, I'm not transphobic, I'm not racist, I'm not any of those things. And so, but they jump on and start saying all that stuff about you. Well, you know, you just gotta decide you know who you are or you don't.

Joe Rogan 25:53 Yeah, it's just people need to be aware of what's going on if you're engaging in these social media platforms. That is a factor. There are real people out there and you can connect with them and it's very valuable. You can learn a lot of things.

Dr. Phil McGraw 26:04 Right, of course.

Joe Rogan 26:05 You can interact with a lot of people. But also, there's a lot of fake accounts. A lot. And there was an FBI, um, a former FBI, was he an analyst, Jamie? He, he estimated that it may be as high as 80%-

Dr. Phil McGraw 26:17 Right.

Joe Rogan 26:17 ... of all the accounts on Twitter are fake.

Dr. Phil McGraw 26:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:19 I won't say X.

Dr. Phil McGraw 26:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:21 Elon's my friend, but X is ridiculous. I'll say it occasionally if I'm being charitable.

Dr. Phil McGraw 26:25 (laughs) Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:25 It's fucking Twitter. 'Cause what are you making in X? No, you're tweeting. I tweeted-

Dr. Phil McGraw 26:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:29 ... this thing out. We've been saying that for too long, bro. You can't just change it. Um, but, but that's an insane number. Let's say he's wrong by 30%, it's still half.

Dr. Phil McGraw 26:39 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 26:39 Half the people onli- ... I mean, if he's accurate, that's crazy. That means there's just been a mass infiltration of foreign agents into all of the discourse about politics and gender and society and women's rights and men's rights and war and Ukraine and every fucking thing that happens in the world. Everything. And you're, you're getting confused as to what the general consensus is of the population, 'cause you go out with most people and you're like, "What do you think about that?" And they're like, "Fuck that." You're like, "Yeah, right. Fuck that. Why is everybody going along with this? What the hell's going on?"

Dr. Phil McGraw 27:13 Yeah, it's like the emperor's new clothes. You know?

Joe Rogan 27:15 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 27:15 Nobody wants to speak up 'cause they are- they don't wanna seem like a fool. But, uh, and, you know, I did not, I did not want to write another book. I told Robin I'd written nine books and I said, "I'm done." Uh, you know, my, my last book will be an autobiography when I'm sitting out in the backyard, uh, or playing golf every day. But I, I, I wrote this book, We- We've Got Issues: Uh, How You Can Stand Strong for America's Soul and Sanity, because I looked around at what was going on and said, "Somebody's gotta tell the truth. Somebody's gotta call this for what it is." And, uh, and I, I ... One of the big things I talk about is what happened to our society because of social media platforms and the internet. And, you know, think about it. We had the Industrial Revolution, right? And until that happened, we were a very agricultural-driven society, right? Everybody worked on the farm. And so family units were really tight because everybody had to work all day every day. And so they'd come in at noon and have a meal, and they'd come back at dinnertime and, you know, have dinner. Um, and everybody worked together on the farm. But then when things got mechanized with the Industrial Revolution, then people moved to the city. And we went from 95%, um, agricultural to now it's about 1%. And that was a huge change in the human race. And there's not been that big a change until 2008 or 2009, and that was the advent of the smartphone. It was like big airplanes flew over the country and dropped smartphones on everybody. That's the biggest change in society since the Industrial Revolution. Think about it.

Joe Rogan 29:27 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 29:27 We went from walking around with our heads up like this to down. People check their phone an average of 352 times a day.

Joe Rogan 29:37 (exhales)

Dr. Phil McGraw 29:38 Think about 352 times a day.

Joe Rogan 29:42 That's insane.

Dr. Phil McGraw 29:44 Now, that's adults and children alike. And, and look what happened to kids. When, when I turned 16, when I was 15 and (laughs) 364 days, 23 hours (laughs) and 59 minutes, I was at the DMV waiting to get my driver's license, right? Now, kids turn 16, they don't even go get their driver's license.

Joe Rogan 30:09 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 30:09 "Eh, I'll get it sometime." I don't-

Joe Rogan 30:11 Yep. They Uber it.

Dr. Phil McGraw 30:11 They start dating later, they start having sex later, they s- get their driver's license, everything later. Why? Because they're watching people live their lives on the internet instead of living their own lives.And in '08, '09, and '10, we saw the biggest spikes in depression, anxiety, suicide, and loneliness since they've been keeping records. That's when the cellphones came out. That's when smartphones came out. That's when the internet blew up. Because people started watching people live their lives, instead of living their own life, and those lives they were watching were fiction. And they compared their life to that life and said, "I suck."

Joe Rogan 30:59 Well, there's a lot of depression amongst women. More self-harm than ever, and more suicidal ideology and suicide. It's like, Jonathan Haidt's work, um, um, the Coddling of the American Mind-

Dr. Phil McGraw 31:10 Yep.

Joe Rogan 31:10 It shows, like, it was a real spike when social media becomes invented 'cause you're comparing yourself and it just, there's no comparing. You can't compare. It's not-

Dr. Phil McGraw 31:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 31:19 First of all, those people are either surgically altered or they're using filters. There's a lot of them. I mean, some of them are natural, but for the most part, you're getting these glamorous depictions of a life that's impossible for you to imagine and it's depressing.

Dr. Phil McGraw 31:31 Yeah, and so I've had influencers on the show that said, "I post a video where I'm putting on all these clothes and saying I'm going to the NBA All Star game."

Joe Rogan 31:41 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 31:41 "And, you know, should I wear this or should I wear that?" They said, "As soon as that camera stops, I carefully take those clothes off because I don't own them. I have to take them back to the store. I'm not going to the NBA All Star game. I'm gonna sit on the couch in my sweats, just like everybody else."

Joe Rogan 32:00 (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 32:00 There's, you've seen it, there's that-

Joe Rogan 32:02 Private jet thing?

Dr. Phil McGraw 32:03 ... that, that private jet thing in Santa Monica.

Joe Rogan 32:05 (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 32:05 They rent that out by the 15 minutes.

Joe Rogan 32:08 Yeah, you go into a fake private jet and you take photos like you're, you know, living the jet set lifestyle-

Dr. Phil McGraw 32:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 32:14 ... but you're just on a set somewhere. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 32:15 It's in a f- it's in a warehouse-

Joe Rogan 32:18 (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 32:18 ... out there. And they, they, they get in there and put on their beach clothes-

Joe Rogan 32:21 Ugh. Ugh.

Dr. Phil McGraw 32:21 ... and then their ski clothes. They ain't going anywhere.

Joe Rogan 32:23 They ain't going anywhere. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 32:24 But everybody compares themselves to that and go, "You know, uh, my, I'm, I'm such a loser. My life sucks." And so, th- they, they compare themselves and go, "Ah, yeah. I'm no good." And so everybody started getting, th- these kids started getting depressed. I mean, it, it went up, oh, I, I, I-

Joe Rogan 32:44 The thing is, like, if you do it really well, if you become a f- a fitness influencer or an online influencer and you do it really well, you become super successful and you can actually make a really good living doing it. So what we're seeing with a lot of these people are just, like, really bad open micers.

Dr. Phil McGraw 33:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:00 Like, they wanna be Dave Chappelle-

Dr. Phil McGraw 33:02 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:02 ... but it's a long way to the top-

Dr. Phil McGraw 33:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 33:03 ... if you wanna rock and roll. (laughs) If you wanna be an influencer. They're just sort of LARPing.

Dr. Phil McGraw 33:08 Well, listen to this. Since 2010 and 2011, there was a 62% increase for older teens, 189% increase in depression for preteens, 70% increase in suicide for older teens, 151% increase for preteens. I mean, that's, that's terrible.

Joe Rogan 33:30 Terrible.

Dr. Phil McGraw 33:32 And I think the biggest part of it is because they stop living their lives. They don't have friends. They don't get out and do activities. They're addicted to this two-dimensional screen.

Joe Rogan 33:45 Yeah. And what comes after that thing? 'Cause that thing, no one would've ever believed that a little thing you keep in your pocket would have you on it six hours a day. Be like, "That's not possible." But you look at your screen time. Most people... Jamie, what's your screen time? What's your average?

Narrator 33:58 I mean, uh, it doesn't in- I've thought about this. It doesn't include when I'm looking at my laptop and then my other computer and my gaming computer.

Dr. Phil McGraw 34:04 Doesn't include that?

Narrator 34:05 It's just my iPhone.

Joe Rogan 34:07 Right. Oh, right, right. You're saying it'd be more.

Narrator 34:09 Yeah, I'm looking, I switch off my phone to look at different screens. I'm looking at-

Dr. Phil McGraw 34:12 Yeah.

Narrator 34:12 ... my TV and then four screens at homes, but my screen time's like four hours a day.

Joe Rogan 34:16 Mine would be way higher if I didn't have to do a podcast. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 34:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:19 That's the one thing about podcasts, it's one of the rare opportunities where you sit and talk to a person and-

Dr. Phil McGraw 34:25 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:25 ... you, you're not interacting with that stupid thing at all.

Dr. Phil McGraw 34:28 You know, I wonder if people... Of course, I, because of what I do, from a psychological standpoint, I wonder if people ever stop and think how many people you look at every day and never really see when you go through your life.

Joe Rogan 34:44 Mm. A lot.

Dr. Phil McGraw 34:44 I mean, whether it's the people in the parking lot, the people-

Joe Rogan 34:48 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 34:48 ... behind the counter, that you look at and never really see.

Joe Rogan 34:54 Yeah. How many people you write off.

Dr. Phil McGraw 34:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 34:58 Yeah. Well, you know, as we become, especially if you're living in a city, as we become more populated, people have become almost, uh, they look at people as, like, a liability. They look at people as, like, an inconvenience. There's too many of them. As opposed to if you live in a place that doesn't have very many people, you look at people like, "That's my neighbor. What's up, Bob?" There's a guy in my neighborhood, I drive by him and he's always working on his garden. I look forward to waving to this guy 'cause he waves at every car. Every car that drives by, the guy puts his hands up, waves. I love that dude.

Dr. Phil McGraw 35:31 It's a Texas thing.

Joe Rogan 35:32 It's a Texas thing.

Dr. Phil McGraw 35:33 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:34 They're, it's that, uh, my friend Bridget says it's Texas friendly.

Dr. Phil McGraw 35:37 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:38 Yeah. But the fucking guy does it to everybody.

Dr. Phil McGraw 35:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 35:41 Everybody that comes by. I watch. This guy just waves, waves at everybody.

Dr. Phil McGraw 35:44 People... I have friends come in from California, and somebody lets you in traffic, you know, you, you wave at them. You go, "What are you doing?"

Joe Rogan 35:49 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 35:49 "That guy let me in traffic. I'm thanking him."

Joe Rogan 35:51 Bro, if you live in New York City and you wave at everybody you see, you're gonna get the fuck beat now and then.

Dr. Phil McGraw 35:57 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:57 Someone's gonna beat your ass. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 35:58 "What, are you trying to start something?"

Joe Rogan 36:00 Someone's gonna fuck you up. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 36:02 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 36:02 Someone's definitely gonna rob you. Just standing still, waving.

Dr. Phil McGraw 36:06 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:07 Yeah. "What do you got on you, bro?" (laughs) It's like...

Dr. Phil McGraw 36:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:09 But this is, uh, it's, it's a better way to live. It's a better way to live to be friendly to people.

Dr. Phil McGraw 36:15 Oh, for sure.

Joe Rogan 36:16 And I, I think, um...... the anxiety the internet is, is, uh, I often compare it to the anxiety of living in a hyperpopulated city. You get stuck in traffic every day. It's like this anxiety that comes with being stuffing- stuck in traffic, you get cra- like friends that don't know what it's like to drive to Orange County. We went to, uh, Orange County this past weekend for the UFC, and you're driving in Orange County, bro, you ain't going nowhere at 5:00 PM.

Dr. Phil McGraw 36:40 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:40 You ain't going nowhere.

Dr. Phil McGraw 36:42 No.

Joe Rogan 36:42 You're going nowhere. That's, uh, bumper to bumper everywhere you look. It's wild, and it takes hours to get anywhere. And salute those heroes, those people who live in Orange County and commute to LA, you people are savages. You just wanted a backyard so bad. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 36:57 Yeah. And, and when you get home, you got it made, but-

Joe Rogan 37:01 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 37:01 ... it's hell getting there.

Joe Rogan 37:02 It's hell getting there. But what a lot of them, what they do is they just take the, the ride home is bad. If you're smart, you get in real early and you go to the gym. Just get a-

Dr. Phil McGraw 37:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 37:10 ... gym near your job. Go to the gym.

Dr. Phil McGraw 37:11 Yeah, a lot of people do that.

Joe Rogan 37:13 That's, that's the best way. Also, it's the best way to start your day. You know, you already got the workout in, you, you're awake when you get to work. It's the best way to do it. You can get it in. We used to have a lot of 6:30 jujitsu classes. I was always amazed, but, but I'm like, "Yeah, that's what you gotta do." You work at 9:00? Get in there at 6:30, you beat the, beat traffic, you made it downtown.

Dr. Phil McGraw 37:33 Yeah, you gotta adapt.

Joe Rogan 37:34 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 37:34 You gotta adapt. And things are changing, but we're not adapting very well in too many areas. We're not adapting very well.

Joe Rogan 37:40 That's what my fear is. My fear is that technology moves so fast, the only way to adapt is to integrate. That's what my big fear is. My big fear is that with all this Neuralink stuff, I, I don't even know if it's a fear or if it's, uh, a prognostication. When I look at the future, I go, "Well, if you just take it from here and just follow a normal path of progression, where's it going?" It's going, uh, deeper and deeper integration. And it's my fear that this is what we're looking forward to. We're looking forward to some sort of, uh, integration, whether it's a headpiece or an actual implant. I don't think we're f- very far away from that.

Dr. Phil McGraw 38:19 Now, this AI is gonna change things in a big way. Um, and these, you know, we're in an election year right now and, you know, creating deepfakes, uh, using AI, um, I, I'm really wondering if it's gonna drive the election in, in some ways this year, because, uh, it's getting so good. I, I've seen myself in ads selling products. I mean, me talking-

Joe Rogan 38:48 Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 38:48 ... selling ads, selling products I've never even heard of. It's not me.

Joe Rogan 38:53 Same as me. Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 38:54 It's a deepfake.

Joe Rogan 38:55 There's hundreds of them. I saw a Warren Buffett one that's all over the internet. It's Warren Buffett getting interviewed by a lady on CNN about Bitcoin, and it's everywhere. Uh, I can see-

Dr. Phil McGraw 39:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:03 If I pull up my feed right now, I will show you. And I, I don't understand how they can't find this and make it so that some- no one can upload it, but this, this video is in... I'll show you this 'cause it's so crazy. There's, it's in so much of my feed. All these giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway.

Dr. Phil McGraw 39:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:23 These are all different versions of the same video. It's, it's like 35% of my feed, all these giveaway, giveaway, giveaway, giveaway.

Dr. Phil McGraw 39:30 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:31 There's so many of them, and it's all the same thing. It's all Warren Buffett telling you about Bitcoin and some thing that they're doing, and it's all a deepfake.

Dr. Phil McGraw 39:38 Yeah, that... And I, I don't know how... We, we, we try to send out cease and desist letters and all this stuff. They just, they just change the corporate entity and pop up again.

Joe Rogan 39:48 I've done the whole rabbit hole. It goes all the way back to Russia. (laughs) It's the same kind of thing.

Dr. Phil McGraw 39:52 Exactly.

Joe Rogan 39:52 Or it goes somewhere else.

Dr. Phil McGraw 39:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 39:53 You know, there's, uh, a bunch of foreign countries that are doing it, and they're doing it for, especially with these kind of things, it's like the Nigerian print scam. It's like they-

Dr. Phil McGraw 40:00 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:00 ... they know how to make money. You just, you don't have to get everybody. If you cast a wide net, you get a few fish, you know?

Dr. Phil McGraw 40:07 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:07 And most fish are like, "Oh, I see that net. Get the fuck out of here." But there's a lot of people-

Dr. Phil McGraw 40:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:10 ... that are just dull minded and they've got a little bit of money in their bank account, and next thing you know, they're investing in some fake Bitcoin exchange.

Dr. Phil McGraw 40:17 Yeah, we see it in the love scams all the time, and-

Joe Rogan 40:20 Oh, the love scams are horrible.

Dr. Phil McGraw 40:21 ... and they're coming out... And it's so sad because they're, you know, these are, uh, elderly women that are retired and in sometimes 30, 60 days, they'll take what they spent their entire life accumulating, and it's gone. I mean, there's no getting it back. It's gone.

Joe Rogan 40:37 And it's just interaction on email with someone? Is that what it is?

Dr. Phil McGraw 40:40 Yeah, yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:40 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 40:41 Well, now, it's even worse because they're, they are deepthinking. They're-

Joe Rogan 40:45 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 40:45 ... you know, and it's some Nigerian, but they do a voice ano- uh, uh, uh, anonymizer, and they're actually talking to her.

Joe Rogan 40:52 You could use someone else's voice now, too.

Dr. Phil McGraw 40:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 40:54 You know, that's a, that's what's really crazy, that they can use your voice to say... All they have to do is record a phone conversation, I think it's like 30 seconds long-

Dr. Phil McGraw 41:03 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:03 ... and they can take that phone conversation and use your voice to call someone and tell them anything. "Hey, listen, I'm in real bad trouble. You've got to do me a favor, a solid favor right now. You need to wire 2,000 bucks. I'll pay you back Monday. Trust me."

Dr. Phil McGraw 41:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:16 "This is, like, a thing for my life. I can't tell you any more, but can you do this for me?" "Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I got you. I got you." And next thing you know, your friend walks through the door. You go, "I was just wiring money to you." You're like, "What?"

Dr. Phil McGraw 41:26 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:26 "The fuck are you talking about? I'm right here."

Dr. Phil McGraw 41:27 Yeah. And th- they'll, it'll be somebody, like, really famous that's obviously very rich, and they'll say, "I, I, I just need $5,000 right now." Why would somebody-

Joe Rogan 41:41 Right.

Dr. Phil McGraw 41:42 ... that is clearly a multimillionaire need $5,000? They don't think.

Joe Rogan 41:46 Well, they probably are hypnotized by the fact they're talking to Dr. Phil.

Dr. Phil McGraw 41:50 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:50 First of all, they're like, "What? The real doc- You're the doctor to Dr. Phil?"

Dr. Phil McGraw 41:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:53 "Oh my God, I've seen your show a thousand times."

Dr. Phil McGraw 41:55 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:55 So they're hypnotized by that, and then you're making sense. Like, "I'm gonna do you a solid. You give me this $5,000, and I'm gonna give you $50,000 on Monday." Like, "Holy shit, okay."

Dr. Phil McGraw 42:05 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:05 Like, "We're running a, a thing to see how trustworthy people are. I think people are trustworthy, and I trust you, so I'm gonna do this for you. You send $5,000, you trust me." And then next thing you know, that guy's out 5,000 bucks, and it wasn't really you. That's easy to f- to believe.

Dr. Phil McGraw 42:20 Yeah, it's human nature. And we intercepted a, um, manual from Nigeria.And it was a training manual for the work room, and it says, you know, how to get these women to trust you. It says, "Contact them, like, at 10 o'clock at night. That's when they're most vulnerable."

Joe Rogan 42:39 Wow.

Dr. Phil McGraw 42:39 It had, like, 20 or 30 pickup lines.

Joe Rogan 42:42 Wow.

Dr. Phil McGraw 42:42 It, it's had all of these poems to use, all of this stuff. We, we've got the manual. We, we've put it on the air so people see it.

Joe Rogan 42:49 Imagine that is an industry. How clever are Nigerians, though?

Dr. Phil McGraw 42:53 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 42:53 They figured that out immediately upon the internet. They're, like, one of the first ones.

Dr. Phil McGraw 42:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:56 They were the pioneers of the online scam.

Dr. Phil McGraw 42:58 Yeah. We, we got, um, they're... A couple of them have been extradited back to United States now.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Really?

Dr. Phil McGraw 43:05 Where they'll probably get in front of a DA that gives them their walking papers and...

Joe Rogan 43:09 Especially if it's in New York. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 43:11 Yeah. Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:11 You're in, you're out.

Dr. Phil McGraw 43:12 They'll, they'll sort them out.

Joe Rogan 43:12 Unless you're Donald Trump, then you're going to jail.

Dr. Phil McGraw 43:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 43:14 But what, what they're doing is pretty wild, that they use the internet that way. I mean, I, I wonder how big that industry is. I bet it's pretty sizeable.

Dr. Phil McGraw 43:22 Oh, I, I think it's a billion-dollar industry.

Joe Rogan 43:24 Phew.

Dr. Phil McGraw 43:24 I, I, I think they're taking down, uh, uh, uh, a, a billion dollars. I think it's big, big money.

Joe Rogan 43:31 God.

Dr. Phil McGraw 43:32 Uh, we've had some on the show where they've taken down a million dollars from one woman.

Joe Rogan 43:36 Oh.

Dr. Phil McGraw 43:36 And sometimes it's 10,000, 20,000. Sometimes it's 100,000, but I've... We've had them with some million dollars.

Joe Rogan 43:42 I was watching this one really sad one.

Dr. Phil McGraw 43:45 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 43:45 It was this lady and her dad, and her dad... The mom had died, and the dad was lonely, and the dad had been interacting with some woman, and he went all the way to Europe to meet her. He'd been sending her money. Went all the way to Europe to meet her, and then something came up that she couldn't meet him. And then, it happened again. He went to Europe again and again, she said. And, you know, by this time, he's in the hole 250, 350, $350,000 just sending money to this person that doesn't exist.

Dr. Phil McGraw 44:10 Yeah. When I finally prove it to them, I, I, I... It's painful to do it.

Joe Rogan 44:15 Oh.

Dr. Phil McGraw 44:16 It's... I, I tell them, "I take no pleasure in telling you this, but the only thing worse than being in a bad relationship for a year is being in one for a year and a day. You need to know it now."

Joe Rogan 44:26 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 44:26 And it stopped the bleeding. Uh, it's, it's unbelievable.

Joe Rogan 44:31 God, that's got to be devastating, too. For the rest of your life-

Dr. Phil McGraw 44:33 Oh, my God.

Joe Rogan 44:33 ... you feel like a fucking loser, too.

Dr. Phil McGraw 44:35 Yeah. And you, and you know you're not ever going to get it back.

Joe Rogan 44:38 No, you're never gonna get it back. They got you. There's humiliation. Just, you feel so foolish.

Dr. Phil McGraw 44:43 Yeah. And, and when they realize it's a foreigner that's taking it from them from somewhere that, that is halfway around the world, it's, it's terrible. And, yeah, and I think part of that is why people are so, kind of paranoid about what's happening at the border, you know, with people coming across. And they know that it's... They're coming across from so many different countries now. They... I think they're, there's a distrust. Um-

Joe Rogan 45:09 Well, rightly so. (laughs) I mean-

Dr. Phil McGraw 45:12 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 45:12 ... this is, uh, something that every pres- president has agreed on. If you go back and watch Obama's speeches, you go back and watch Bush's speeches, all the presidents before us, including Clinton, have all talked about having a border, having a strong border, having a protected border. But this is a weird thing they're doing. They're just letting people come in, and the Red Cross is encouraging it. Different groups are encouraging it. They're giving people maps, showing them how to do it. This is crazy. (laughs) This is a mass migration into America.

Dr. Phil McGraw 45:43 Well, I've be- I've been to the border recently, and, um, I, I, I talked to those guards down there, and I- I'm, I'm telling you, I, I, I, I spent just a day down there, and I know there have been people that have spent a lot more time down there than that. Uh, but, uh, what, what I heard down there, um, was e- even knowing... I, I felt like I knew a lot about it before I went down there, but, um, I was shocked. As much as I thought I knew about it, I was shocked when I got down there. Um, the... First off, the morale, um, among those guards down there is, i- i- the fact that they're hanging in and, and doing as well as they are, um, is, uh... They're turning into social workers. You know, they went down there to be guards, and they say, "What we're doing now instead of apprehending these people is we're greeting these people, and we're processing them and giving them money and resources." And it's interesting. There's... You've been down there, right?

Joe Rogan 47:08 I have not.

Dr. Phil McGraw 47:09 Um, you know, there are the Texas border guards, and they wear brown uniforms, and then there are the federal that wear green. And if you get apprehended by a brown uniform, you get arrested, processed, and sent back. If you get apprehended by a green uniform, you get arrested, processed, given a court date in four years, seven years, or whatever, and released into the country. So, they run to the green uniforms and run away from the brown uniforms. Same job, different color uniforms. The green uniforms, they, their court date might be seven years. But if they, if they run into a green uniform, they get processed, money, and they're into the country.

Joe Rogan 48:19 That's wild.

Dr. Phil McGraw 48:20 Um-

Joe Rogan 48:20 And when did that start happening?

Dr. Phil McGraw 48:21 Um, you know, it's been going on for a good while. Now, Abbott, uh, of course, has been busing s-... Taking some of them and busing them up-... into different locations.

Joe Rogan 48:33 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 48:34 Um, instead of sending them back, uh, which has lately been something you can't do. You, you, you can't send them back. So, it's-

Joe Rogan 48:46 So they can't send them back now?

Dr. Phil McGraw 48:48 Well, I don't know what they're doing with them since this last thing that they just came up with. Um, uh, I, and, and talking to, um, uh, in, in, in talking to, um, the union guy who's head of the union for all of the guards, it was interesting. I asked him, um, "What do you need? What do you need down here to do your job?" Um, his name is Brandon Judd. And he said, "We don't need more money. We don't need more agents. We don't need new legislation. We just need you to let us do our job. We just need you to apply the laws that exist now and we'll be fine." Well, you don't need ... we don't, we don't ... I said, "Wait a minute. Y- y- y- you're telling me you don't need more money or more agents?" He said, "No, just let us do our job." If you just ... we, we had in place a hold in Mexico, instead of come over here, just, just use the, the legislation that's on the books and we're fine. We, we don't ... we're, we're not, we're not trying to keep people out. We just want to have a, a- enough of a flow control that we know who's coming in. We're ... they're not ... these aren't bad guys that are trying to be mean to people down there. They're just ... we just need to know who it is.

Joe Rogan 50:26 Well, what do you think the motivation is behind the federal border patrol people letting people go? Like, whose decision is this and why? Why ... f- forget about whose. We don't know that, right? Why?

Dr. Phil McGraw 50:38 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 50:38 Why would they want that?

Dr. Phil McGraw 50:40 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 50:41 What are the benefits of that? Is it cheap labor? Is it people eventually that will vote?

Dr. Phil McGraw 50:46 Well, I think it's virtue signaling. I, I, I think they-

Joe Rogan 50:49 That's it?

Dr. Phil McGraw 50:49 ... they've taken this position that said, "Hey, you know, we, we, we want everybody." And I, I get that. Listen, I'm very pro-immigration. I, I just think it needs to be legal.

Joe Rogan 51:03 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 51:03 You, you need to go through the process.

Joe Rogan 51:05 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 51:05 It's a felony to enter this country illegally. And so ... but they're doing that. And they're, they're pulling them out of the water. They're pulling them off of the wall and processing them and giving them a, a court date that, because of our system, is sometimes 7 or 10 years. Um, and then they're legally in the country. They've got papers. They can say, "No, no, I was processed at the border." They're just not coming through the ports of entry.

Joe Rogan 51:38 Right, but you're aware this is happening all over the world, right?

Dr. Phil McGraw 51:42 Right.

Joe Rogan 51:42 Yeah. So what do you think the motivation? There's gotta be some sort of a decision that's been made to allow this to happen, or to not stop it from happening, or to encourage it to happen. It's not like this is, like, a spontaneous, organic movement. People just decide to move to Europe and people just decide to move to America. It seems like it's something coordinated, right?

Dr. Phil McGraw 52:02 Well, look at it this way. (clears throat) You, you ... look at California, for example. And I, I'm ... you know, I said in We've Got Issues, I talk about 10 principles for a healthy society. And one is you don't reward bad behavior. W- we've got people that we know are lawbreakers if they're coming in illegally. And so what do we expect them to do, uh, once they get here? Um, and we're rewarding that behavior. They come in illegally, we reward it by giving them a free pass for 7 to 10 years because that's how long it's gonna take for them to get a hearing. And you know how many will show up for that hearing? And most people would say none. No, I bet you they all show up for their hearings because it's been 7 to 10 years and they'll show up and say, "Hey, I've been waiting 7 to 10 years." The system will probably, at that point, let them stay. They've been here 7 to 10 years. They've had children who are citizens because they were now born in the country. I bet you a high percentage of them show up for those hearings because they will predict getting a good result when they show up for the hearing. And they'll have American-born children at that point. So we're subsidizing behavior that we don't want. We don't know who it is and we've got, um, between ... they tell me that between 2010 and 2020, they had about 11 to 1500 Chinese come across the border. And in the first 11 months of 2023, they had about 33,000 come across the border.

Joe Rogan 53:55 Are you worried about that in terms of it being a military threat? Are you thinking these are people that are escaping a totalitarian, oppressive government and they want to be able to make their own money and, and live in the land of the free and the home of the brave?

Dr. Phil McGraw 54:09 Yes.

Joe Rogan 54:10 Both?

Dr. Phil McGraw 54:11 I, I think there are ... I, I think there are people that 100% want to get out away from the oppressive government there, for sure. Um, and the number of military-aged men ... now, I'm just told by people that-... are at the border and have witnessed this themselves. The number of military-aged men that are showing up with military haircuts, clearly in shape, so these guys are showing up with six packs and military boots, uh, that are coming in is not an insignificant number. Now, where are they going? We don't know. We don't know where they're going. We're not following them. We're not tracking them. And o- one thing I want to be real careful about, and I'm, I'm very sincere about this, I, I'm not... I, I don't want to say anything that causes people to feel badly or foster any kind of, of hatred toward, uh, Asian people in the United States. It's not the people. It's the government that's the problem. Um, I, I think that we've got, uh... It's just like, if they are sending people over here that are military age with an agenda, um, would we be naive to think that if we've let that many in that they couldn't spread out across the country, and in some coordinated effort, attack the energy grid here on a given day and create havoc? Of course they could.

Joe Rogan 56:20 Of course they could.

Dr. Phil McGraw 56:22 So-

Joe Rogan 56:22 Do you remember when that cop went rogue in L.A. a few years back? I don't remember what caused it, what happened, what the in- since- situation was, but he just started killing people. He killed a bunch of people. He killed a bunch of cops. And then they wound up, uh, getting to him, uh, near Big Bear. Somewhere up, somewhere up there, he had, like, holed up in a cabin, and they wound up shooting him. Do you remember that story?

Dr. Phil McGraw 56:43 I, I remember it ex- exactly.

Joe Rogan 56:45 And he was... He terrorized that city for as long as he was alive. He terrorized those cops. And a good friend of mine, who knows a lot about, uh, the military world and the tactical world said, "Listen, man. It would take 10 dudes, 10 well-trained dudes, and they'd take over this fucking city." I go, "Really?" He goes, "10 guys." He goes, "10 bad motherfuckers who are well-trained and well-armed." Do you remember the, um... Was it North Hollywood, the bank robbery where those crazy fucks showed up with bulletproof vests-

Dr. Phil McGraw 57:18 Yep.

Joe Rogan 57:18 ... and machine guns and-

Dr. Phil McGraw 57:20 Yep.

Joe Rogan 57:21 ... and took over a bank and had a shootout with the cops on the street. It was insane. It was like a scene out of Heat. That-

Dr. Phil McGraw 57:31 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:31 That scares the fucking shit out of me.

Dr. Phil McGraw 57:34 Well, it should. I mean, we should be afraid of this.

Joe Rogan 57:36 With all this defund the police talk and then that happening at the same time, if you were playing chess and you, you were from another country... And we, we're so naive 'cause nothing ever happens here. We, we try to imagine that it only happens in other places. But we're a part of the reason why it's happening in a lot of these other places. And if you were from another country and you decided to slowly amass a force in the United States, that's what you would do. And th- to see this happening, to see that no one is saying that might be a possibility, that's not being discussed, ex- I mean, I, I hear a few people like you saying it, Brett Weinstein said it, a few other people say it, but most people don't even wanna even put it out there.

Dr. Phil McGraw 58:16 Yeah. And I, I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but let's be commonsensical here. Um, how do I get on the wifi here? I want to show you something.

Joe Rogan 58:25 Um, Jamie, can you send it to him?

Narrator 58:27 Uh...

Joe Rogan 58:28 Or let's pause here. Let's pause. Let's pause for a second, and Jamie will get you connected. Hold on a second. You ever seen a man type so fast with one hand?

Dr. Phil McGraw 58:36 No, and he did it the first time too.

Joe Rogan 58:37 Jamie's a goddamn wizard. He's the best-

Narrator 58:40 He did it the first time.

Joe Rogan 58:40 ... one-handed Googler on planet Earth. And now he's extra hindered because he's got Carl on his lap.

Narrator 58:44 He's, um... I got him on the desk now, so I can't type.

Joe Rogan 58:46 Oh, Carl-

Dr. Phil McGraw 58:46 If you-

Joe Rogan 58:46 I heard Carl snoring earlier. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 58:49 Can, uh-

Joe Rogan 58:49 I was, I was listening. I heard a little... (snores)

Dr. Phil McGraw 58:52 Can I send this to- Can I send this to Carl?

Joe Rogan 58:54 (laughs)

Narrator 58:55 (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 58:56 Can you wake Carl up enough for me to send it to him?

Narrator 58:58 Sure.

Dr. Phil McGraw 58:58 He's got quick paws. Um, how can I send this to you?

Joe Rogan 59:03 Uh, you can, um, Air Drop it.

Dr. Phil McGraw 59:07 Um...

Joe Rogan 59:08 Jamie, help him out here.

Dr. Phil McGraw 59:10 How do I send this to you?

Joe Rogan 59:12 We're back.

Dr. Phil McGraw 59:13 Can you play that?

Narrator 59:16 Yeah. Uh, maybe.

Joe Rogan 59:19 What is it?

Dr. Phil McGraw 59:21 This is from the border.

Joe Rogan 59:23 It's a video of the border?

Dr. Phil McGraw 59:24 Yeah. It's me talking to that Brandon Judd at the border.

Narrator 59:28 Okay. Here we go.

Dr. Phil McGraw 59:29 Will it play? (instrumental music plays) These children that are coming in with someone that says I'm their mother or aunt, uncle, or whatever, we have no way of verifying that?

Narrator 59:44 We do not. We used to. President... Under, under President Trump, we had rapid DNA testing. That's been done away with.

Dr. Phil McGraw 59:51 Are they given money, these people that are released into the country?

Narrator 59:54 So it's our taxpayers that ultimately facilitate the travel, but yes, travel is facilitated, and they are given all the necessities that they need.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:00:02 But that could be a trafficker.

Narrator 1:00:03 There's a very good possibility that they're being trafficked, that they're going into the sex industry, or they're being forced into the sweatshops.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:00:10 And, and we know that.

Narrator 1:00:11 We do.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:00:11 We're... We knowingly are spending our tax dollars to sell children into sex trafficking. How, under any theory, is that okay for us to be spending tax dollars to traffic children?

Joe Rogan 1:00:26 Holy shit.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:00:28 Now, this is the head guy on the border, and I, I asked him when, uh, this went on a little more, we went in more depth, "You know you're on camera here, right? Y- y- y- y- you just said we're spending tax dollars to sell children into sex slavery." And he said, "Yeah." I said, "Why have you not talked about this?" He said, "Nobody's ever asked me these pointed questions, but I'm grateful that you're asking them now." That's how out of control we are down there. We are se- we are paying money to take these children and sell them into sex slavery. They, they, they come in with these addresses written on their bodies, written on their arm, and we call up there and say, uh, "Do you know so-and-so?" "Yeah, yes, uh-huh, we're waiting for them." "Okay, they'll be on a plane or a bus and you need to pick them up." And, and I ask him, uh, "So some pimp or trafficker, whatever is picking them up up there?" And he said, "We are knowingly sending them up there for that." And he said, "It's terrible, but that's what's happening."

Joe Rogan 1:01:42 That's insane. That is insane. And there's no way of verifying with their parents they're going to or an aunt they're going to? There's no way of verifying it. And it's-

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:01:51 I, I asked him, he said no.

Joe Rogan 1:01:52 Now, what, what justification could possibly exist where they would stop doing the rapid DNA test?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:01:59 (inhales deeply) Y-

Joe Rogan 1:02:01 What I mean, what, what possible justification would there be to stop that?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:02:05 It, it, it makes no sense because you, y- y- y- if, if they find out, well, this isn't their parent, then, okay, what are they gonna do with the child? And so-

Joe Rogan 1:02:19 Right.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:02:19 ... I, I guess don't ask and then you don't have the responsibility, but they're sending these children up there. And he's saying, "We are knowingly," he, "We're knowingly sending them into either a sweatshop or the sex industry up there."

Joe Rogan 1:02:33 Has anybody tried to do an expose? Has anybody tried to follow the children?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:02:38 Well, that's why I was asking.

Joe Rogan 1:02:40 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:02:40 Because I'm like, "W- has somebody gotten on the same bus or plane and see who's picking them up or-

Joe Rogan 1:02:47 Right.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:02:47 ... who's not?" And he said, "Yeah, that's happening." "Well, why haven't you talked about it?" "Well, nobody's asked this and I'm grateful that you are."

Joe Rogan 1:02:55 So, so, so people are getting on the buses and planes with them to try to find out where they're going?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:02:59 No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:00 No, he said they're not.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:03:00 No.

Joe Rogan 1:03:01 Oh, I thought you said (laughs) , I thought you just said yes.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:03:02 No, I s- I, I said, "Why haven't you talked about this?" He said, "Well, nobody's asked this question, but I'm grateful that you are."

Joe Rogan 1:03:09 My God, that's so insane.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:03:10 And that's just a little clip. We went in more depth about this, um...

Joe Rogan 1:03:14 And the numbers are fucking nuts.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:03:16 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:03:17 This past year it's been like three million.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:03:19 Yeah. So we've got, uh, uh, we, uh, uh, I then dug into what's happening with Chinese buying, uh, the Chinese government or Chinese nationals buying, uh, farmland. And, um, uh, I've, I've got a map, if I can find it, of, of where they're buying this land, and it's around US military installations. They're buying up land around US military installations. And, um, and so when you look at the amount of land that they're buying, it's not all that mu- I, I mean, it's a lot of land, but given as much land as there is, it's like maybe less than 1%. But when you look at it strategically around military installations, um, it's, um, i- i- it's, it's really, uh, concerning. And, um, and then when you look at what's happening at those military installations that they have land around, like B-2 Stealth bomber training, uh, drone training and all, it's, uh, very, very troubling.

Joe Rogan 1:04:41 God, it's so strategic where it's all placed.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:04:44 Yeah. If I can get a hold of that map and show it to you (...)

Joe Rogan 1:04:47 (laughs) It's kinda, it's kinda crazy that United States has been invaded. And when did that start?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:04:53 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:04:53 With the purchase of far- farmland.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:04:55 You know, it, it's been going on.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 For how long?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:04:58 Um...

Joe Rogan 1:04:59 Like when did it f- it's a, uh, so this is talking about, uh, Sun owns 40% of Chinese-owned land in the US. He owns over 100,000 acres of land in Val Verde County, Texas, uh, although his two companies, Brazos Highland Properties in Harvest, Texas, or through his two companies. His purchases in 2016, 2017, his plans to build a wind farm as well as his purported ties to Chinese military drew scrutiny in Texas several years after his acquisitions. He ultimately has, was denied permission to proceed with his wind farm plans. So they own the land, but they won't let him proceed with the wind farm.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:05:33 Yeah, and they're building a windfarm where it's not very windy.

Joe Rogan 1:05:38 Uh. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:05:41 Uh, but it does-

Joe Rogan 1:05:42 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:05:42 ... butt up against a strategic military installment.

Joe Rogan 1:05:45 What a coincidence. This is the best land that was available.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:05:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:48 Sorry.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:05:49 So-

Joe Rogan 1:05:49 Yeah, why, how would that be possible here under logical laws? Because in China you can't do that. They're smart. You can't just buy their land.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:05:58 We absolutely cannot buy farmland there.

Joe Rogan 1:06:00 No. No, you can't buy their businesses either.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:06:03 Now, we, we had a man on, uh, talking about this, a farmer, and he said they also own the grain elevator where we sell our grain. The Chinese own that, the Chinese government owns that. So, and I said Chinese government, Chinese own that. Now, is it the government? Is it a government agent? Who owns it? He said it's Chinese owned and controlled. If they decide to stop buying his grain, I said, "What happens?" He said, "Well, f-"

Joe Rogan 1:06:36 Fucked.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:06:37 We're outta business.

Joe Rogan 1:06:38 Yeah. (groans) And then you take that, on top of that, the topsoil crisis in this country.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:06:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:44 They've got like 60 more crops left. (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:06:48 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:48 Unless they do something radical to change it.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:06:50 Yeah. And, again, I, I, you know, I wanna be real careful about how I talk about this 'cause I'm not trying ... Look, we have so many Chinese-Americans here that are wonderful people that contribute so much. I, I don't wanna say anything to create any animus against, uh, these people or Chinese people in general. So many of these people are trying to get away from the Chinese Communist Party. They're just trying to get away from them. How they're getting out, I don't know. Um, it's, it's a long way and it's expensive. And you, you don't just wake up in China and say, "Uh, you know, I think I'll take a vacation." Uh, that's not how that works. Y- you gotta get a visa, right? You gotta get permission to leave. You got family back there. Um, I, I don't know how they're getting out, but I know that we've got an awful lot coming across our southern border. And, uh, when military-age Chinese men are showing up at the border, and it's mostly in California, uh, where they're showing up, and it's, um, an awful lot.

Joe Rogan 1:08:07 (exhales)

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:08:09 Y- you really-

Joe Rogan 1:08:09 Wild.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:08:10 Y- you really have to wonder. Um, y- you really do have to wonder.

Joe Rogan 1:08:16 Did you ever think you'd be in a position where you'd be talking like this?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:08:19 No.

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 'Cause it sounds conspiratorial, right? It-

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:08:20 It does sound conspiratorial, and, you know, I, I, I deal with psychological issues. But these are issues that are on people's mind now. They're saying, "I'm anxious about this."

Joe Rogan 1:08:31 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:08:32 "It bothers me. I feel like my family is under attack here. Uh, we don't have the peace of mind that we used to have. We don't have the ..." Even farmers are saying, you know, "This is troubling to us. We don't know what to do about this."

Joe Rogan 1:08:48 (smacks lips) Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:08:48 "We don't know how to feel about it. We don't know what to say about it. And nobody's talking about this." Well, I'm talking about it.

Joe Rogan 1:08:56 (smacks lips) Well, I'm glad you are, because if not, we'll be talking about it when it's too late. And we'll be saying, "How the fuck did we not see this coming?"

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:09:03 And, and what I want is ... I think if people will start talking about it, people will hear us talking about it and say, you know, "These aren't crazy conspiracy guys. These are pretty commonsensical guys that are saying we should just ask the questions." We should be asking ... Why isn't anybody asking the questions? And we're not the only people asking the questions, but we certainly have big microphones to be asking the questions with.

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 (smacks lips) It's just a, a, a complete failure of corporate media that they're not asking these questions.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:09:38 Yeah. And that is the entire reason that I did this network, Merit Street Media. I ... Y- you know, Robyn, and I was sitting at our kitchen bar, um, at her house in California, and I was flipping back and forth between different news networks, and I was s- I was getting so frustrated. I said, "Why won't somebody just tell the truth? Why, why does everything have to be spin, spin, spin, spin, spin? Why doesn't somebody just say what's happening and let us do it? The media just won't say it straight." And she was sitting there eating and sh- sitting there eating. She didn't even look up. She just said, "Well, you are the media." And I thought, "Yeah, well." And she said, "And you have a bigger audience than those last three combined, so why don't you do something about it?" And I ... Yeah, it, it really kinda hit me hard and I thought, "Why don't I do something about it?" I mean, wh- why don't I create a platform to just ask the questions and tell the truth without all the spin and let people make up their own mind? I mean, somebody needs to say, "Have you thought about or did you know that last year, 33,000-plus Chinese came across the border illegally? Did you know that?" And I just want you to know and do with it as you will. And if it causes you to start asking questions and writing your congressman or asking questions of them, then great. But you oughta at least know this is happening. I don't want you to come up five years from now and say, "Well, nobody ever said anything to me." Well, yeah, they did. I raised my hand and I said it. And maybe it'll cause somebody else to say it and somebody else to say it.

Joe Rogan 1:11:38 Has anybody had a conversation with you about this that has an opposing perspective?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:11:43 Oh, of course. I mean-

Joe Rogan 1:11:44 What, what is their perspective?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:11:46 Their perspective is y- these aren't illegal immigrants. You, you can't ... That's, that's not kind to say they're illegal.

Joe Rogan 1:11:56 (laughs) Oh, okay.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:11:57 Well, (sighs) uh-

Joe Rogan 1:11:58 Well, we've always used that term for lack of a better term.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:12:02 Well, okay, so-

Joe Rogan 1:12:03 Undocumented.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:12:04 They're-

Joe Rogan 1:12:04 What do you wanna call them?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:12:05 Well, that's unkind. They're-

Joe Rogan 1:12:07 Nah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:12:07 They're migrants. And I, I understand they wanna be here. I don't, I don't begrudge them that. If, if I was living over there, um, under an oppressive government like that, um, I would wanna, I would wanna be gone. And, um, I, I, I totally get it. I, I would, I would wanna be outta there. I, I, I really do. I get that. But, um, that doesn't change the fact-... that we have to pretend that we don't know what's going on. W- we need to be aware of it. And if, i- if it means that we need to say, um, "Look, this is concerning. Um, we shouldn't be selling farmland around military installations." There's a lot of land to buy. Wonder why they're buying it right up against military installations.

Joe Rogan 1:13:06 Have any politicians talked about this? Has Trump ever talked about this?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:13:10 Not that I am aware of.

Joe Rogan 1:13:12 Why would that not be something he would bring up?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:13:15 Well, you would certainly think he would.

Joe Rogan 1:13:17 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:13:18 Um-

Joe Rogan 1:13:18 I mean, I know he's talked about the border.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:13:21 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:13:21 But I don't think he's talked about it in depth. Is it possible that he's not aware of it, as far as the way you're aware of it?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:13:27 Um, God, you'd... How could he not be?

Joe Rogan 1:13:29 How could he not be? But then again, the guy's got like five legal cases going on. He's running for president. He's selling sneakers.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:13:38 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:38 See his sneakers?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:13:40 No, I- I saw that he was selling-

Joe Rogan 1:13:42 Pretty, pretty fresh. I'm getting a pair for Tony Hinchcliffe. They're perfect for him.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:13:44 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:13:44 They're gold. They're gold sneakers. He's got like three pairs. One's white, one's, one's red? Yeah.

Narrator 1:13:51 Wow. That looks rough.

Joe Rogan 1:13:52 Hey, stop it, Jamie.

Narrator 1:13:54 For 400 bucks? That's like expensive.

Joe Rogan 1:13:55 Oh, I heard there was 5,000. That's what... I think they're already sold out and they're selling them online for five grand, 'cause, uh, we're gonna wear them for, uh, Sober October (laughs) .

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:05 Okay. I, um-

Joe Rogan 1:14:06 Look at those things. Look at these monstrosities. Look at these things.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:11 Oh, wow.

Joe Rogan 1:14:12 (laughs)

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:13 You're gonna get a pair?

Joe Rogan 1:14:14 Oh, hell yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:15 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:14:15 I can see Dr. Phil rocking the Trump gold shoes.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:17 How do I air- how do I airdrop something to you? How do you come up?

Joe Rogan 1:14:20 Oh, here we go again.

Narrator 1:14:20 Uh, it'd be like Jamie's MacBook Pro, MVP.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:25 Got it.

Narrator 1:14:25 Got it.

Joe Rogan 1:14:25 Bam.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:26 I just airdropped this to you. It says, "Waiting."

Narrator 1:14:29 I am accepting it.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:31 Okay.

Joe Rogan 1:14:32 What is this?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:33 This is this map with the military installations. You out to look at this.

Joe Rogan 1:14:38 Is it similar to what he just showed?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:39 No.

Joe Rogan 1:14:40 Jamie just showed where the farmland was.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:14:42 So let's-

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:42 This is different. Look at this.

Joe Rogan 1:14:43 Okay. So there's the military...

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:46 That's the farmland. There's the military installations on top of it.

Joe Rogan 1:14:50 Oh, wow. That's crazy.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:55 Look at that. Now, is that...

Joe Rogan 1:14:57 Look how much farmland they have.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:14:59 But is that accidental? Come on. Th- that's not random.

Joe Rogan 1:15:04 It doesn't seem too random. But it also seems amazing how much farmland they have.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:15:09 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:15:11 Was this always legal? Is that th- part of the problem with our open society? That, uh, any foreign country can come over here, any foreign investor can come over here and buy land?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:15:23 Well, I- I- I thought there was restrictions on what foreign entities could buy.

Joe Rogan 1:15:33 So number one is Canada. Canada has the most farmland. They own 12.8 million acres here. Netherlands owns 4.9. Italy owns 2.7. UK, 2.5. Germany, 2.3. And China-

Narrator 1:15:47 380,000.

Joe Rogan 1:15:48 ... 380,000. And this is as of...

Narrator 1:15:52 Wow, summer.

Joe Rogan 1:15:52 2023. June, June of last year. Yeah. It seems pretty strategic, where it's owned. Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:16:01 Yeah. Because if you put that back up for a second, let me tell you what's at some of these places. Um...

Narrator 1:16:08 Yeah. What it says right at the beginning is, uh...

Joe Rogan 1:16:11 "Land near the air force base in Grand Forks, North Dakota sending lawmakers into a frenzy in 2021." Um, yeah. You know, there's another thing that, um, Mike Baker, who's from the CIA had brought up, is that one of the things they're doing is selling, uh, cellphone tower equipment, and selling routers, and undercutting other companies and making like really good deals so they can set up these cheap routers and cellphone companies. And, you know, a lot of these have been proven, especially with the company Huawei, right? When they-

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:16:43 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:43 ... outlawed Huawei from selling phones in this country.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:16:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:16:46 They, they were proven that some of their technology is third-party access. They can, they can do things and siphon information and, and perhaps even, you know, intercept cellphone signals.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:16:57 Yeah. Well, at that, where they bought in Utah, it's the largest supersonic authorized restricted airspace in the United States. They've got land right next to it. Uh, Whitman Air Force Base, B-2, uh, Spirit stealth bomber base, missile and drone operations, uh, MQ-9 Reaper, Global Strike Command, three intercontinental ballistic missile wings, uh, all... And they're right next to it. Uh, Fort Liberty, they're right next to it. I mean, all of that stuff. Who, who... Why would you want y- your biggest global threat next to those... You have no idea what they have there.

Joe Rogan 1:17:39 I don't play StarCraft, but I imagine if I was watching someone play StarCraft and all this was setting up, I'm like, "Oh, they're gonna get smoked."

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:17:45 Yeah. Th- that's, I mean, it's just...

Joe Rogan 1:17:48 It's insane.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:17:49 I think you gotta be concerned.

Joe Rogan 1:17:51 But it's just weird that it's legal. It really is.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:17:54 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:17:54 It's really weird. And especially given what we know about Chinese corporations, that they are a part of the government. They're, they work hand-in-hand. They don't, they don't get to be independent.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:18:05 Yeah. And...

Joe Rogan 1:18:06 S- still, lawmakers from both parties want to limit purchases by Chinese companies, especially those with ties to the Chinese government, which is all of them, and individuals. To this end, there are several bills in Congress aimed at limiting Chinese ownership separately. The Biden administration is tightening its rules over who can buy land near military bases.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:18:24 We're gonna tighten up rules.

Joe Rogan 1:18:26 What does that mean? How about just make it illegal? (laughs) Tightening the rules seems...

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:18:30 And you know what-

Joe Rogan 1:18:31 You should just take back the land.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:18:32 You know what worries me about our young generation is, y- you know, I don't, I don't know if you...... saw what I had to say about, um, Harvard and...

Joe Rogan 1:18:50 All that craziness with the anti-Semitic talk?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:18:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:18:53 Yeah, we've talked about that ad nauseum.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:18:56 (sighs) Um-

Joe Rogan 1:18:56 It was insane, right?

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:18:58 You know, (sighs) I, I, I think one of the things I said was all they're doing is creating intellectual rot. They're not teaching these kids anything about, um, critical thinking. Um, I, I don't know what they're teaching at universities now, but if they're not teaching critical thinking, if they're not teaching these kids who we're getting ready to turn the world over to, um, for your kids and Jay's kids, um, my grandkids, how are they, how are they gonna think their way through this? I mean, we're selling them this land here, and we're getting ready to turn the world over to kids who, uh, will be adults that w- we're not teaching to critically think, we're not teaching a meritocracy. W- w- how the hell does that work?

Joe Rogan 1:20:00 We're also not encouraging different opinions. I mean, universities have always been a battleground of intellectual discourse, where people get together-

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:20:08 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:20:08 ... and they debate things. But if you have an opposing opinion, they'll pull the fire alarm. They'll, they'll chant and scream and stop you from talking. They'll try to block speakers from coming. They'll call in bomb threats, wild shit that is the exact opposite of what university is supposed to be about. What debates are supposed to be about is an opportunity to prove that you're right. And if you're really good at debating, you can make that person look foolish, and you will recruit more people to your side of thinking. That's a great way to figure out who's right and who's wrong. If you really believe that your opinions are so much more valid than some person who's a conservative Christian, let that person talk. Get on stage with them. Have an open discourse in front of the entire population of the student body. Let them all come, have it for free, let people ask questions that they want. Just do it orderly and politely, and let's get to the bottom of it. Let's get to the bottom of it, and let's find out who's wrong and who's got ridiculous ideologies and who's looking at things from a fact-based perspective. Or maybe there's a little bit of something from both sides you agree with, but there's only one way to find out, and you're not getting that from universities anymore.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:21:19 No, you've got to air it out. And, you know, what I've said a- about, about Merit Street, uh, Media is I want to own the debate lane in America because nobody else is doing that. So, I mean, what an opportunity, right? What a void where I said, okay, look, I'll, I'll let both sides or three sides, whatever it is... Now, uh, I'm not gonna give, uh, a platform to the KKK or, you know, somebody that's just so out there it's, it's ridiculous. But, um, you know, I had a, a show I, I taped recently, um, a-about transgender, and I, I had transgender counselors who are in favor of this completely. And, and the guy's really trained. I mean, he's actually done training about this. And I, I had people that were vehemently opposed to it. But I, I gave both sides an opportunity to disc- and they had a really good discussion about it. Um, and, um, you know, let's, let's air it out, you know? If, if you think you're right, say so and say why. Um, I, I don't... And, and I, I, I say in, in the book, We've Got Issues, I say that all of the major medical organizations signed off on this. I say I don't think history's going to be very kind to them. I, I say my point of view, but I say th- listen, I'm not a physician, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But all the medical associations say, "Hey, it's a good thing to do." I disagree, and I think the empirical science supports me, but they have signed off on it. I, even in the book, I put both sides out there. I say I disagree, they don't. I had Dr. Carole Hooven on. Uh, do you know her story?

Joe Rogan 1:23:18 No. Oh, yes. No, I've had... Carole Hooven, yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:21 Carole Hooven.

Joe Rogan 1:23:21 I've had her on the podcast.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:22 Yeah, great l- isn't she a nice lady?

Joe Rogan 1:23:24 She's a great lady. I thought you said Hooven on.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:26 No, Hooven.

Joe Rogan 1:23:27 I thought what... that name.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:23:29 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:29 Um...

Joe Rogan 1:23:29 Yeah, um, no, she was on-

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:31 About-

Joe Rogan 1:23:31 ... quite a while ago.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:32 About transgender athletes.

Joe Rogan 1:23:33 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:34 Yeah, and she said the science is clear.

Joe Rogan 1:23:36 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:37 There's no way you can ever equate... You, you can't take enough testosterone blockers to equate to ever get that back balanced again. She was on my show and Fox & Friends. They drummed her out.

Joe Rogan 1:23:50 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:51 They drummed her out of Harvard-

Joe Rogan 1:23:52 Uh-huh.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:23:53 ... uh, for, for doing that. And that is one of the most sweet, uh, compassionate ladies.

Joe Rogan 1:23:59 They drummed her out for not... for telling the truth.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:24:01 For-

Joe Rogan 1:24:01 She was just telling the truth about the reality of human bodies.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:24:03 She just reported the science.

Joe Rogan 1:24:05 Yeah, and when you make science illegal, then you've admitted that you're in a cult. You're running a cult-

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:24:10 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:24:10 ... 'cause you're... this is... If it's not science-based and you're not open to any discussion or debate, two things. One, you have a, you, you have an oppression hierarchy where you value trans women above biological women. You value them. That's the whole reason why sports exist in both a male and female division is because we've agreed that it's unfair. We've agreed. We all know it to be true. It's just unfair. Are there exceptional women and non-exceptional men? Yes. Do they get clo-... No, but at the, at the bottom of the men and the top of the women, there's not a lot of crossover when it comes to professional athletes.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:24:45 No.

Joe Rogan 1:24:45 It's not, it's not fair at all.And do they have some decrease in performance from using estrogen and testosterone blockers and having their testicles removed? Sure, yeah, definitely a decrease, but not enough. It's still a male mind, it's still like... Chris Williamson was on here the other day, talking about the differences in, uh, spatial recognition. Men have, like, this significant difference in, uh, the reaction time. There's, like, a bunch of different factors that don't go away when you transition someone to being a woman. And then there's tendon strength, and there's a bunch of things about the, like the shape of the hips, the ability to generate force. All that stuff is, like, so much different.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:25:25 Wingspan.

Joe Rogan 1:25:26 Wingspan, yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:25:27 For swimmers.

Joe Rogan 1:25:29 For swimmers, yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:25:29 You know, the swimmers, the difference was like 10%. Um, they, uh-

Joe Rogan 1:25:34 Also, you're not even, say, holding standards, like, is what they have to be. They don't have to have, like, X amount of testosterone or X amount of tes- of, of estrogen. They don't have to have gone through gender transition surgery. A lot of them have their testicles, and they're identifying as male, and it's like... Or as female, rather. Like, how are you allowing that? That seems insane, that seems like cheating.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:25:56 Well-

Joe Rogan 1:25:57 Like, at its base level, you can identify as anything. But when you're getting into sports, that's the whole reason why Title IX was created, right? Is to protect women's sports.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:26:08 Yeah, and as- as soon as she said that, as soon as she reported the science... And actually, she didn't do the science. She did a meta-analysis of like 50 studies and said, "Overall, here's what it says. I'm just telling you what it says. Do what you want with it. I'm just telling you what it says."

Joe Rogan 1:26:26 Yeah.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:26:27 Transphobic drummed her out.

Joe Rogan 1:26:29 It's wild.

Dr. Phil McGraw 1:26:30 And I had Riley Gaines on that show. I had a, a, um, Olympic, uh, athlete, uh, won multiple gold medals in the Olympics, different people that just said, (laughs) "It's, you're just kidding yourself if you think it's the same." And I- I- I- I felt so bad that she had that result, uh, where they, they, they drummed her out. If we're not teaching critical thinking, if we're not adhering to science, if we're not embracing science, uh... And, you know, when you talk about woke, um, they say they're postmodernist thinkers, which