Joe Rogan Experience #2105 - Dr. Phil

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   (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast.…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming music plays) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music plays) I like how you did the Cliffs Notes. That's a slick move.

   3. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:15

      Yeah, how about that?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yeah, that's very smart because it ... Big print, too, for dummies like me. This is nice.

   5. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:22

      Yeah, how about that?

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Yeah. I'm excited to read this, man. You are, uh, a great giver of, of advice, sir. What is it like to carry that burden in a wild world? (laughs)

   7. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:33

      Well, I'll tell you what, uh, I ain't looking for something to do.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:38

      (laughs)

   9. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:39

      (laughs) I don't have to look very far.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah. It's a wild time of, uh, mass confusion, people losing their fucking minds. Very strange.

   11. PMDr. Phil McGraw0:49

       Yeah, it really is. And, you know, I keep thinking, this is about as crazy as it can get, and then I go ... I get up, and-

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       And you see the NYPD dance team.

   13. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:00

       (laughs) I haven't seen that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01

       Okay, here we go.

   15. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:02

       All right, you gotta show me.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       (laughs)

   17. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:06

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:06

       The NYPD in the middle of the craziest migrant crisis that anybody's ever experienced, in the middle of, uh, places where you arre- you attack police officers, violently attack police officers, and you release with no bail like that, (snaps fingers) right back out on the street.

   19. NANarrator1:23

       (upbeat music plays) Dance all night long.

   20. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:24

       (sighs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       This is the NYPD dance team, so they developed a dance team.

   22. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:31

       Oh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       You remember when you were a kid and you thought about the fall of the Roman Empire-

   24. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:36

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:36

       ... and you were like, "Did they see it coming?"

   26. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:40

       You think this is a clue?

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:41

       (laughs)

   28. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:43

       Is that what you're thinking?

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:44

       I was just, I, I ... A, a bigger clue would be an alien landing on the White House lawn. It ... That's the only thing bigger. (laughs) This is insanity. The fact that they would, A, put this on television. First of all, is this the news? What is this that they put this on, Jamie?

   30. NANarrator1:58

       I think it's the, uh, like, the New York News, yeah, or-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Uh, it- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      kids of all kinds of things, especially by reinforcing it with love and support and happiness. You can convince people of a lot of things. That's what's uncomfortable for a lot of people. For a lot of gay people, they're uncomfortable with the idea that a lot of these kids are just going to grow up to become gay. My friend Tim Dillons talked about that a bunch. He says it's homophobic. It's like, it's like they're trying to say, "No, you're a girl," when really, maybe you're just gay. Like, that's okay. It was always a thing, and now all of a sudden it's getting ... You're, you're looking at little kids, they might just be gay kids, and you're saying, "Maybe you're a girl. Maybe you need to go to a gender reassigning surgery center and never have an erection or an orgasm for the rest of your life." Like, what the fuck are we doing?

   2. PMDr. Phil McGraw15:42

      Uh, it-

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      They're so young.

   4. PMDr. Phil McGraw15:44

      It, it's not ... I, I don't think it's appropriate or safe for children, and I think you have ... There is a huge body of literature, uh, that addresses these issues from end to end. There's not a huge body of literature about the transgender population, and that's the problem. And what literature is out there suggests that you get... And this is wh- This is what you see from, um, the European countries. They've done study after study from, uh, these suppressive hormones compared to doing psychotherapy, and there's not much difference. If you do psychotherapy, you can ease the depression, you can ease the suicidal tendencies with psychotherapy without doing the irreversible things. They say, "Well, you can reverse those things." No, that's not true. If, if you arrest the development, that can have ramifications long-term, or at least they can't say it doesn't have ramifications long-term.

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:58

      There's also serious side effects from the hormone blockers.

   6. PMDr. Phil McGraw17:00

      Well, of course. And that's ... A- and if you're doing testosterone blockers, for example, um, that does have long-term consequences. And my point is, they can't say it doesn't. They don't have a body of literature that says it doesn't. And I'm ... Look, I'm not a physician.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:19

      What do you think is behind it, though? Like what, how did this ... If it ... This is so contrary to the way most people feel. What do you think is behind it? Especially the push towards children, affirming children. Do you think it's because there's people that are queer or LBGT, whatever, and they want other people to be a part of their, their group? Is it they want more LBGT people, they want to encourage this behavior? They think it's suppressed, and maybe there's more people that are gay or whatever, and they want to come out and they just get suppressed by it, so they're trying to make it, like more enthusiastic? Like how is, how is this trans thing becoming a major point of debate with children where it never has in history? In your life, in my life, there was never all this talk about trans children. Like this, it seems insane that we've forgotten that kids don't know what the fuck is going on yet.

   8. PMDr. Phil McGraw18:18

      I think a lot of it is owing to social media platforms and the internet. I, I think, um ... This is what I'm talking about when I say the activist I don't think speak for the community at large. I think they get an agenda that they're pushing, and I think they really get wrapped up in this, and it gets a lot of oxygen on the internet. It gets a lot of oxygen on social media platform. Now they say there's no social contagion here, but the girls that are claiming to be transgender, that percentage has gone up e- e- ... Some reports say it's gone up, um, 800%, 1,000% over the last several years, and they say, "Well, that's because they feel more comfortable talking about it now." Is that true or is it because you read about it, you see it on social media and you think, "Well, I can distinguish myself in this way"? I think there is a social contagion effect, so people jump on the bandwagon, and if it's for a short period of time but they've done things that can't be reversed, I think that's really tragic. And they say there are very few de-transitioners. I don't think that's true. I think there's a lot more de-transitioners that want to reverse this and come back than are being reported.

   9. JRJoe Rogan19:54

      And, but there's a lot of deep shame attached to that, obviously.

   10. PMDr. Phil McGraw19:56

       Of course.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:57

       It's also something that you don't want people to know about. It's, it's so personal. It so- it defines you for the rest of your life. Everyone's gonna know, that's the guy that used to be a girl and became a guy again, you know? And there's all the questions and all the bullshit that comes along with that.

   12. PMDr. Phil McGraw20:11

       I will say this. I don't think teachers want to get involved in this. I think they're getting ... I think some of them push it. I think teachers at large just wanna teach. I don't think they wanna get pulled into this.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:25

       Well, it's like bad cops, right?

   14. PMDr. Phil McGraw20:27

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:27

       Like you, you hear about a bad teacher and you think all teachers are like that-

   16. PMDr. Phil McGraw20:30

       They're not.

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:31

       ... but that's ridiculous. Most of them are just people who their, their profession, what they enjoy is teaching people.

   18. PMDr. Phil McGraw20:36

       They do. And lemme tell you, teachers don't get into (laughs) teaching for the money. I don't, I don't know a teacher that doesn't get into their own pocket to, to get resources for the classroom, to help with the classroom, to put up signs and bring in materials for the classroom. Most of them are very dedicated. Uh, they're, they're, they're very good people that teach because they really wanna help young people. I, I think they're s- some of the most underpaid, dedicated people in this entire country, and they don't wanna deal with this stuff.

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:12

       Agreed. I feel the same way as I feel a- about teachers as I do about police officers. I think most of them are great.

   20. PMDr. Phil McGraw21:18

       I do too. I, I think they're great.

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:19

       Just a small amount of interactions that people have. And I also think about both teachers and police officers, the stress of their job and the experiences that they have, particularly if you're a teacher, public school in maybe a sketchy area, I mean, those people are r- risking their health often. There's violence. It happens all the time to teachers. There's always cellphone videos of teachers getting be- beat up.

   22. PMDr. Phil McGraw21:42

       I, I did a show last week with three teachers from around the country that tried to take a cellphone, you know, tell a student to put their cellphone away and got attacked, and one of them wound up in the hospital for a week, had to have knee surgery, go on worker's comp, wound up having to take bankruptcy, lost her house, a- all of that. A, a student jumped on her and just beat the hell out of her. Uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan22:08

       Is this the one that was in the hallway? It was a viral video?

   24. PMDr. Phil McGraw22:11

       Uh, well, the one I'm talking about had-

   25. JRJoe Rogan22:14

       Uh-

   26. PMDr. Phil McGraw22:14

       ... 67 million views.

   27. JRJoe Rogan22:16

       Is this a woman who was beat up by a man or, or a young boy?

   28. PMDr. Phil McGraw22:19

       Uh, no. I saw that one. This one was beat up by a girl.

   29. JRJoe Rogan22:22

       Another girl?

   30. PMDr. Phil McGraw22:22

       And, you know, here's the thing. There were all of these students taking videos of it, but nobody helping. Finally, somebody pulled the, the girl off the teacher.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah. …

   1. PMDr. Phil McGraw30:00

      59 minutes, I was at the DMV waiting to get my driver's license, right? Now, kids turn 16, they don't even go get their driver's license.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:09

      Yeah.

   3. PMDr. Phil McGraw30:09

      "Eh, I'll get it sometime." I don't-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      Yep. They Uber it.

   5. PMDr. Phil McGraw30:11

      They start dating later, they start having sex later, they s- get their driver's license, everything later. Why? Because they're watching people live their lives on the internet instead of living their own lives.And in '08, '09, and '10, we saw the biggest spikes in depression, anxiety, suicide, and loneliness since they've been keeping records. That's when the cellphones came out. That's when smartphones came out. That's when the internet blew up. Because people started watching people live their lives, instead of living their own life, and those lives they were watching were fiction. And they compared their life to that life and said, "I suck."

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:59

      Well, there's a lot of depression amongst women. More self-harm than ever, and more suicidal ideology and suicide. It's like, Jonathan Haidt's work, um, um, the Coddling of the American Mind-

   7. PMDr. Phil McGraw31:10

      Yep.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:10

      It shows, like, it was a real spike when social media becomes invented 'cause you're comparing yourself and it just, there's no comparing. You can't compare. It's not-

   9. PMDr. Phil McGraw31:19

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       First of all, those people are either surgically altered or they're using filters. There's a lot of them. I mean, some of them are natural, but for the most part, you're getting these glamorous depictions of a life that's impossible for you to imagine and it's depressing.

   11. PMDr. Phil McGraw31:31

       Yeah, and so I've had influencers on the show that said, "I post a video where I'm putting on all these clothes and saying I'm going to the NBA All Star game."

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:41

       Yeah.

   13. PMDr. Phil McGraw31:41

       "And, you know, should I wear this or should I wear that?" They said, "As soon as that camera stops, I carefully take those clothes off because I don't own them. I have to take them back to the store. I'm not going to the NBA All Star game. I'm gonna sit on the couch in my sweats, just like everybody else."

   14. JRJoe Rogan32:00

       (laughs)

   15. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:00

       There's, you've seen it, there's that-

   16. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       Private jet thing?

   17. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:03

       ... that, that private jet thing in Santa Monica.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       (laughs)

   19. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:05

       They rent that out by the 15 minutes.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:08

       Yeah, you go into a fake private jet and you take photos like you're, you know, living the jet set lifestyle-

   21. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:14

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:14

       ... but you're just on a set somewhere. (laughs)

   23. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:15

       It's in a f- it's in a warehouse-

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:18

       (laughs)

   25. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:18

       ... out there. And they, they, they get in there and put on their beach clothes-

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:21

       Ugh. Ugh.

   27. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:21

       ... and then their ski clothes. They ain't going anywhere.

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       They ain't going anywhere. (laughs)

   29. PMDr. Phil McGraw32:24

       But everybody compares themselves to that and go, "You know, uh, my, I'm, I'm such a loser. My life sucks." And so, th- they, they compare themselves and go, "Ah, yeah. I'm no good." And so everybody started getting, th- these kids started getting depressed. I mean, it, it went up, oh, I, I, I-

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:44

       The thing is, like, if you do it really well, if you become a f- a fitness influencer or an online influencer and you do it really well, you become super successful and you can actually make a really good living doing it. So what we're seeing with a lot of these people are just, like, really bad open micers.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Well, rightly so. (laughs)…

   1. PMDr. Phil McGraw45:00

      across. And they know that it's... They're coming across from so many different countries now. They... I think they're, there's a distrust. Um-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      Well, rightly so. (laughs) I mean-

   3. PMDr. Phil McGraw45:12

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:12

      ... this is, uh, something that every pres- president has agreed on. If you go back and watch Obama's speeches, you go back and watch Bush's speeches, all the presidents before us, including Clinton, have all talked about having a border, having a strong border, having a protected border. But this is a weird thing they're doing. They're just letting people come in, and the Red Cross is encouraging it. Different groups are encouraging it. They're giving people maps, showing them how to do it. This is crazy. (laughs) This is a mass migration into America.

   5. PMDr. Phil McGraw45:43

      Well, I've be- I've been to the border recently, and, um, I, I, I talked to those guards down there, and I- I'm, I'm telling you, I, I, I, I spent just a day down there, and I know there have been people that have spent a lot more time down there than that. Uh, but, uh, what, what I heard down there, um, was e- even knowing... I, I felt like I knew a lot about it before I went down there, but, um, I was shocked. As much as I thought I knew about it, I was shocked when I got down there. Um, the... First off, the morale, um, among those guards down there is, i- i- the fact that they're hanging in and, and doing as well as they are, um, is, uh... They're turning into social workers. You know, they went down there to be guards, and they say, "What we're doing now instead of apprehending these people is we're greeting these people, and we're processing them and giving them money and resources." And it's interesting. There's... You've been down there, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan47:08

      I have not.

   7. PMDr. Phil McGraw47:09

      Um, you know, there are the Texas border guards, and they wear brown uniforms, and then there are the federal that wear green. And if you get apprehended by a brown uniform, you get arrested, processed, and sent back. If you get apprehended by a green uniform, you get arrested, processed, given a court date in four years, seven years, or whatever, and released into the country. So, they run to the green uniforms and run away from the brown uniforms. Same job, different color uniforms. The green uniforms, they, their court date might be seven years. But if they, if they run into a green uniform, they get processed, money, and they're into the country.

   8. JRJoe Rogan48:19

      That's wild.

   9. PMDr. Phil McGraw48:20

      Um-

   10. JRJoe Rogan48:20

       And when did that start happening?

   11. PMDr. Phil McGraw48:21

       Um, you know, it's been going on for a good while. Now, Abbott, uh, of course, has been busing s-... Taking some of them and busing them up-... into different locations.

   12. JRJoe Rogan48:33

       Yeah.

   13. PMDr. Phil McGraw48:34

       Um, instead of sending them back, uh, which has lately been something you can't do. You, you, you can't send them back. So, it's-

   14. JRJoe Rogan48:46

       So they can't send them back now?

   15. PMDr. Phil McGraw48:48

       Well, I don't know what they're doing with them since this last thing that they just came up with. Um, uh, I, and, and talking to, um, uh, in, in, in talking to, um, the union guy who's head of the union for all of the guards, it was interesting. I asked him, um, "What do you need? What do you need down here to do your job?" Um, his name is Brandon Judd. And he said, "We don't need more money. We don't need more agents. We don't need new legislation. We just need you to let us do our job. We just need you to apply the laws that exist now and we'll be fine." Well, you don't need ... we don't, we don't ... I said, "Wait a minute. Y- y- y- you're telling me you don't need more money or more agents?" He said, "No, just let us do our job." If you just ... we, we had in place a hold in Mexico, instead of come over here, just, just use the, the legislation that's on the books and we're fine. We, we don't ... we're, we're not, we're not trying to keep people out. We just want to have a, a- enough of a flow control that we know who's coming in. We're ... they're not ... these aren't bad guys that are trying to be mean to people down there. They're just ... we just need to know who it is.

   16. JRJoe Rogan50:26

       Well, what do you think the motivation is behind the federal border patrol people letting people go? Like, whose decision is this and why? Why ... f- forget about whose. We don't know that, right? Why?

   17. PMDr. Phil McGraw50:38

       (clears throat)

   18. JRJoe Rogan50:38

       Why would they want that?

   19. PMDr. Phil McGraw50:40

       (clears throat)

   20. JRJoe Rogan50:41

       What are the benefits of that? Is it cheap labor? Is it people eventually that will vote?

   21. PMDr. Phil McGraw50:46

       Well, I think it's virtue signaling. I, I, I think they-

   22. JRJoe Rogan50:49

       That's it?

   23. PMDr. Phil McGraw50:49

       ... they've taken this position that said, "Hey, you know, we, we, we want everybody." And I, I get that. Listen, I'm very pro-immigration. I, I just think it needs to be legal.

   24. JRJoe Rogan51:03

       Yeah.

   25. PMDr. Phil McGraw51:03

       You, you need to go through the process.

   26. JRJoe Rogan51:05

       Yeah.

   27. PMDr. Phil McGraw51:05

       It's a felony to enter this country illegally. And so ... but they're doing that. And they're, they're pulling them out of the water. They're pulling them off of the wall and processing them and giving them a, a court date that, because of our system, is sometimes 7 or 10 years. Um, and then they're legally in the country. They've got papers. They can say, "No, no, I was processed at the border." They're just not coming through the ports of entry.

   28. JRJoe Rogan51:38

       Right, but you're aware this is happening all over the world, right?

   29. PMDr. Phil McGraw51:42

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan51:42

       Yeah. So what do you think the motivation? There's gotta be some sort of a decision that's been made to allow this to happen, or to not stop it from happening, or to encourage it to happen. It's not like this is, like, a spontaneous, organic movement. People just decide to move to Europe and people just decide to move to America. It seems like it's something coordinated, right?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   But that could be…

   1. NANarrator1:00:00

      given all the necessities that they need.

   2. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:00:02

      But that could be a trafficker.

   3. NANarrator1:00:03

      There's a very good possibility that they're being trafficked, that they're going into the sex industry, or they're being forced into the sweatshops.

   4. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:00:10

      And, and we know that.

   5. NANarrator1:00:11

      We do.

   6. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:00:11

      We're... We knowingly are spending our tax dollars to sell children into sex trafficking. How, under any theory, is that okay for us to be spending tax dollars to traffic children?

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:26

      Holy shit.

   8. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:00:28

      Now, this is the head guy on the border, and I, I asked him when, uh, this went on a little more, we went in more depth, "You know you're on camera here, right? Y- y- y- y- you just said we're spending tax dollars to sell children into sex slavery." And he said, "Yeah." I said, "Why have you not talked about this?" He said, "Nobody's ever asked me these pointed questions, but I'm grateful that you're asking them now." That's how out of control we are down there. We are se- we are paying money to take these children and sell them into sex slavery. They, they, they come in with these addresses written on their bodies, written on their arm, and we call up there and say, uh, "Do you know so-and-so?" "Yeah, yes, uh-huh, we're waiting for them." "Okay, they'll be on a plane or a bus and you need to pick them up." And, and I ask him, uh, "So some pimp or trafficker, whatever is picking them up up there?" And he said, "We are knowingly sending them up there for that." And he said, "It's terrible, but that's what's happening."

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

      That's insane. That is insane. And there's no way of verifying with their parents they're going to or an aunt they're going to? There's no way of verifying it. And it's-

   10. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:01:51

       I, I asked him, he said no.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       Now, what, what justification could possibly exist where they would stop doing the rapid DNA test?

   12. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:01:59

       (inhales deeply) Y-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:01

       What I mean, what, what possible justification would there be to stop that?

   14. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:02:05

       It, it, it makes no sense because you, y- y- y- if, if they find out, well, this isn't their parent, then, okay, what are they gonna do with the child? And so-

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:19

       Right.

   16. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:02:19

       ... I, I guess don't ask and then you don't have the responsibility, but they're sending these children up there. And he's saying, "We are knowingly," he, "We're knowingly sending them into either a sweatshop or the sex industry up there."

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

       Has anybody tried to do an expose? Has anybody tried to follow the children?

   18. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:02:38

       Well, that's why I was asking.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02:40

       Yeah.

   20. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:02:40

       Because I'm like, "W- has somebody gotten on the same bus or plane and see who's picking them up or-

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:02:47

       Right.

   22. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:02:47

       ... who's not?" And he said, "Yeah, that's happening." "Well, why haven't you talked about it?" "Well, nobody's asked this and I'm grateful that you are."

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:02:55

       So, so, so people are getting on the buses and planes with them to try to find out where they're going?

   24. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:02:59

       No.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:00

       No, he said they're not.

   26. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:03:00

       No.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:01

       Oh, I thought you said (laughs) , I thought you just said yes.

   28. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:03:02

       No, I s- I, I said, "Why haven't you talked about this?" He said, "Well, nobody's asked this question, but I'm grateful that you are."

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:09

       My God, that's so insane.

   30. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:03:10

       And that's just a little clip. We went in more depth about this, um...
6. 1:15:00 – 1:27:46

   It doesn't seem too…

   1. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:15:00

      Come on. Th- that's not random.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:04

      It doesn't seem too random. But it also seems amazing how much farmland they have.

   3. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:15:09

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:11

      Was this always legal? Is that th- part of the problem with our open society? That, uh, any foreign country can come over here, any foreign investor can come over here and buy land?

   5. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:15:23

      Well, I- I- I thought there was restrictions on what foreign entities could buy.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:33

      So number one is Canada. Canada has the most farmland. They own 12.8 million acres here. Netherlands owns 4.9. Italy owns 2.7. UK, 2.5. Germany, 2.3. And China-

   7. NANarrator1:15:47

      380,000.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:15:48

      ... 380,000. And this is as of...

   9. NANarrator1:15:52

      Wow, summer.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:15:52

       2023. June, June of last year. Yeah. It seems pretty strategic, where it's owned. Yeah.

   11. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:01

       Yeah. Because if you put that back up for a second, let me tell you what's at some of these places. Um...

   12. NANarrator1:16:08

       Yeah. What it says right at the beginning is, uh...

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:16:11

       "Land near the air force base in Grand Forks, North Dakota sending lawmakers into a frenzy in 2021." Um, yeah. You know, there's another thing that, um, Mike Baker, who's from the CIA had brought up, is that one of the things they're doing is selling, uh, cellphone tower equipment, and selling routers, and undercutting other companies and making like really good deals so they can set up these cheap routers and cellphone companies. And, you know, a lot of these have been proven, especially with the company Huawei, right? When they-

   14. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:43

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:16:43

       ... outlawed Huawei from selling phones in this country.

   16. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:45

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:16:46

       They, they were proven that some of their technology is third-party access. They can, they can do things and siphon information and, and perhaps even, you know, intercept cellphone signals.

   18. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:16:57

       Yeah. Well, at that, where they bought in Utah, it's the largest supersonic authorized restricted airspace in the United States. They've got land right next to it. Uh, Whitman Air Force Base, B-2, uh, Spirit stealth bomber base, missile and drone operations, uh, MQ-9 Reaper, Global Strike Command, three intercontinental ballistic missile wings, uh, all... And they're right next to it. Uh, Fort Liberty, they're right next to it. I mean, all of that stuff. Who, who... Why would you want y- your biggest global threat next to those... You have no idea what they have there.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:17:39

       I don't play StarCraft, but I imagine if I was watching someone play StarCraft and all this was setting up, I'm like, "Oh, they're gonna get smoked."

   20. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:17:45

       Yeah. Th- that's, I mean, it's just...

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:17:48

       It's insane.

   22. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:17:49

       I think you gotta be concerned.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:17:51

       But it's just weird that it's legal. It really is.

   24. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:17:54

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:17:54

       It's really weird. And especially given what we know about Chinese corporations, that they are a part of the government. They're, they work hand-in-hand. They don't, they don't get to be independent.

   26. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:18:05

       Yeah. And...

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:18:06

       S- still, lawmakers from both parties want to limit purchases by Chinese companies, especially those with ties to the Chinese government, which is all of them, and individuals. To this end, there are several bills in Congress aimed at limiting Chinese ownership separately. The Biden administration is tightening its rules over who can buy land near military bases.

   28. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:18:24

       We're gonna tighten up rules.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:18:26

       What does that mean? How about just make it illegal? (laughs) Tightening the rules seems...

   30. PMDr. Phil McGraw1:18:30

       And you know what-

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