Joe Rogan Experience #2143 - Tulsi Gabbard

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. TGTulsi Gabbard0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

   4. TGTulsi Gabbard0:12

      Cheers. Here we go, my friend.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      This is the second time-

   6. TGTulsi Gabbard0:16

      I feel great.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      ... we ever worked out together.

   8. TGTulsi Gabbard0:17

      I know. I feel great.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      It was awesome, right?

   10. TGTulsi Gabbard0:20

       That was great. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       It's a great way to get the day started.

   12. TGTulsi Gabbard0:22

       It was perfect, actually.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       We do these, uh, the, the comedian, uh, boot camps. So, you, we got, did it today, we did it with Hasan and Derek and Shane, Shane Gillis. And, and we have fun. You know?

   14. TGTulsi Gabbard0:36

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       So you get the workout in and you talk a lot of shit and you get silly.

   16. TGTulsi Gabbard0:39

       (laughs) That's the best part.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       It's really fun. It's just, like, real silly.

   18. TGTulsi Gabbard0:41

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       You know, and we have a good time.

   20. TGTulsi Gabbard0:43

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       So...

   22. TGTulsi Gabbard0:44

       I, uh, yeah. Thanks for the invite. It was-

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Oh, my pleasure.

   24. TGTulsi Gabbard0:47

       It was... I've been on the road for, I don't know, for weeks. And so, you know, if you're lucky, you get a, a decent hotel gym.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       Right.

   26. TGTulsi Gabbard0:55

       But you gotta be really creative.

   27. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Yeah.

   28. TGTulsi Gabbard0:57

       Uh, most of them, the best they'll have are dumbbells and, you know, that's it. Uh...

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       I just realized, you're the second celebrity to do that with us, and the second Hawaiian, 'cause The Rock did it.

   30. TGTulsi Gabbard1:09

       The Rock. Samoan.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Like, it j- you…

   1. TGTulsi Gabbard15:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      Like, it j- you ... Just like easy, it goes down smooth.

   3. TGTulsi Gabbard15:02

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:02

      It's no problem at all. And, you know, it's, it's very good for you.

   5. TGTulsi Gabbard15:05

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      And CBD is very good for you. But forget about all the hemp.

   7. TGTulsi Gabbard15:09

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      Just, just for a commodity-

   9. TGTulsi Gabbard15:11

      Exactly.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       ... and for building construction and clothing. Do you know the first draft of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp?

   11. TGTulsi Gabbard15:18

       I've heard that.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:19

       Yeah. Yeah, like, it, it was, it was used for everything.

   13. TGTulsi Gabbard15:23

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:23

       It was used for ropes for s- for, uh, sailboats.

   15. TGTulsi Gabbard15:26

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:26

       They made sails out of it. All that st- The canvas, that was all made out of cannabis initially. It was all hemp.

   17. TGTulsi Gabbard15:32

       It's just ... It, it's just ... I mean, I, I introduced legislation in Congress to deschedule it completely, because it shouldn't be. It just shouldn't be.

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:40

       Well, the wildest thing is how it happened in the first place. The wildest thing how it happened in the first place, is 'cause it was all William Randolph Hearst and Harry Anslinger. And so what happened was, William Randolph Hearst, who owned Hearst Publications, he also owned, um, not just newspapers, but he owned paper mills and he owned forests. So he had all these forests that they would cut down the wood and use it to make paper. Well, he ... If, if they were gonna transfer over to hemp, this is gonna be very costly.

   19. TGTulsi Gabbard16:07

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       And the cover of Popular Science magazine, in, I think it was 193- Find, find out what year that cover was. It says, "Hemp, the new billion-dollar crop," because they came up with a new machine, and it was called a decorticator. And this new device was a device that allows you to effectively process the hemp fiber in a much quicker and easier way. So it's this machine, it grinds it up. And so once they do this, they go, "Oh, boy, we figured out ... We ..." They've solved this problem of hemp, where it's really d- It's very durable, but it's really difficult to break down to the actual fibers.

   21. TGTulsi Gabbard16:40

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:40

       So 1938.

   23. TGTulsi Gabbard16:42

       Oh, wow.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       So this comes out in 1938, "Hemp, the new billion-dollar crop." And so it's the cover of Popular Science magazine. Do you see ... Do you s- Do they have the cover so you could see what it says?

   25. NANarrator16:53

       Uh, there's an article that actually came out-

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:54

       Oh, just an article?

   27. NANarrator16:55

       ... today about this somewhere, about hemp.

   28. TGTulsi Gabbard16:57

       Oh, wow.

   29. NANarrator16:58

       Talk about the article.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       Popular Mechanics magazine. I'm sorry. So ... So the article is from 1938. And so when they come out with this, they talk about this, uh, new invention. See if you could find a photo of the decorticator, 'cause it's like this grindy kind of thing. Is that what it looks like?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   That's crazy. …

   1. TGTulsi Gabbard30:00

      Texas and Arizona, but California's border is a whole different dynamic, both because they've got, you know, a long stretch of border where you're- you're crossing in and you're going straight to mountains, you know, big open spaces. But then you've got the very dense urban, uh, corridor, I suppose, uh, where people, whether they're coming in through the water or they're just coming across the border, where they can disappear into neighborhoods very quickly. But, uh, what- what was- there- there's a few things that were very eye-opening and interesting. Number one is, we- we know that the borders are open because we know how many people are coming through. The numbers that are being reported, I think, is close to nine million now, just over the course of the Biden administration. What I saw there were, um, people coming in. And we were just driving around and we saw groups of people gathering in different locations from all over the world, illegal immigrants, and, uh, seemingly happy and going to the place where they were told to go or they knew the Border Patrol was gonna pick them up. And knowing that they will get processed, claim asylum, and most of them will be out with a plane ticket anywhere in the country, uh, within 24 hours. And so-

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:13

      That's crazy.

   3. TGTulsi Gabbard31:14

      ... it- it's- it's- I, you know, and I've talked with some of the Border Patrol agents and- and, you know, they're- they're not allowed to say anything on the record, but just the frustration that's being felt where they can't even do their job.

   4. JRJoe Rogan31:27

      What is the justification for the plane ticket?

   5. TGTulsi Gabbard31:32

      Uh, they don't have the- they don't have the ability to house people where they are.

   6. JRJoe Rogan31:38

      So, they're just like-

   7. TGTulsi Gabbard31:39

      "Where do you wanna go?"

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:40

      Is it-

   9. TGTulsi Gabbard31:40

      "Utah? Okay, here you go."

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:41

       (laughs)

   11. TGTulsi Gabbard31:43

       "Where do you wanna go? New York City?" And- and I went and I talked to a lot of them. I sat down and talked with people from Brazil, from Egypt, from, uh, Colombia, from Venezuela, from, um, you know, different parts of Eastern Europe, people from all over the world coming here with- with the known plan in this well-oiled machine, uh, and- and- and I'm- I'm talking about this 'cause it is very directed to the cartel, dir- directly connected to the cartels who are being enabled in their multi-billion dollar human trafficking operation across the border by our policies, by the Biden administration's policies at the border, which is connected to their ability to move fentanyl and other drugs across the border. And so we spent a couple of days at the border there, and then, uh, went into the city of San Diego and went and started talking to some homeless people, and- and talking to people who were clearly, clearly, um, extremely high on multiple drugs. And we're walking around with one of the community relations police officers there. He was just plainclothes. He's walking around and keeping an eye on what's going on there. But we talked to this one guy who had a crack pipe in his hand. Uh, he seemed barely conscious, but we had a- he- he was engaging in a long conversation with us. And, um, you know, I was asking him about fentanyl. And he's like, "Oh, yeah, I take fentanyl sometimes. Uh, but I usually take it at night to help me go to sleep." And I was like, "Aren't you afraid of not waking up?" Like, he's like, "Yeah, I've had a lot of friends who've died from fentanyl, but I know how much to take and-"

   12. JRJoe Rogan33:17

       (inhales deeply)

   13. TGTulsi Gabbard33:18

       "... I know how to manage it. And have you? Have you?" He's like, "Yeah, I almost died twice and I was revived." Uh, but- and then asking him, uh, the police officer asked him, "What would it take to get you off the street? What would it take to get you to a place where you can get some help and- and to get off drugs?" And he said, this 27-year-old guy, "Nothing. Nothing." Um, he said, "There's too many rules in the places where I could go and stay, and I wanna live my life this way." It was so heartbreaking to see him, you know? His eyes were barely open and- and, um, clearly in an altered state of mind. But even in that state, in this conversation, how do you- how do you help someone who doesn't wanna be helped?

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:09

       You can't. It's the problem. I mean, you could talk to them. You could hope that they could get some information from you that shifts the way they think about things, but the addiction gets so deep.

   15. TGTulsi Gabbard34:22

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:22

       And there's this, uh, thing that some addicts will say, is that, um, "I feel better when I'm high."

   17. TGTulsi Gabbard34:29

       Mm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:30

       That, "It's the only time I feel good. It's the only thing good that I have in my life, is when I get high. And if you take that away, my life is terrible." And if you've been an addict for a long time, the longer you're an addict, in fact, the more that's true.

   19. TGTulsi Gabbard34:43

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan34:43

       Right? Because the more your life is a wreck-

   21. TGTulsi Gabbard34:45

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan34:45

       ... and then you're forced to deal with it when you come off and you realize, like, "Oh my god, I'm 45 years old and I'm a heroin addict." Like, "What the fuck? How is this?"

   23. TGTulsi Gabbard34:54

       (laughs) Exactly.

   24. JRJoe Rogan34:54

       And then now you're sober and your life is, uh, in shambles.

   25. TGTulsi Gabbard34:57

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan34:57

       And you try to, like, figure out, "How did you go so wrong?" And then the only thing that made you feel good was heroin. You wanna go back.

   27. TGTulsi Gabbard35:03

       Mm.

   28. JRJoe Rogan35:04

       You wanna go back to that. And it's also people, like, get really scared of success.

   29. TGTulsi Gabbard35:08

       Mm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan35:08

       Even success in staying sober, they get s- scared of doing things well and they seek comfort in failure, 'cause they've- they've become accustomed to failure. So if they- the pressure of doing well and of, like, staying sober and, like, keeping healthy, like, it's almost too much.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yep. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      thought of them as something other than a three-letter name, like DEA, CIA, NSA, just a bunch of people-

   2. TGTulsi Gabbard45:08

      Yep.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      ... you would go, "Well, why is this like the DEA? Why is this 10,000 people telling all these other people what to do?" That sounds crazy.

   4. TGTulsi Gabbard45:15

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      There's way more of them than there are of us. If we was just in this room, and, uh, Jamie turns out to be the cop and, uh, he says, "Hey, uh, I'm gonna put you two in prison because, uh, I heard you like hemp."

   6. TGTulsi Gabbard45:26

      Yeah. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:27

      (laughs) You're like, we'd be like, "Jamie, fuck off."

   8. TGTulsi Gabbard45:29

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:29

      That's crazy. But if, if it's a government agency with a three-letter name, you're like, "Oh, well, this is the government. It's the gover-"

   10. TGTulsi Gabbard45:36

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       But the government is just human beings.

   12. TGTulsi Gabbard45:37

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:38

       And there's just a natural inclination that people in power have is to try to gain more power.

   14. TGTulsi Gabbard45:43

       Yes.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Rich people wanna get richer. Hot people wanna get hotter.

   16. TGTulsi Gabbard45:47

       (laughs)

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       (laughs) Like, that's what it is, you know? It's like-

   18. TGTulsi Gabbard45:49

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       ... everybody wants to improve.

   20. TGTulsi Gabbard45:51

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       And the governments, they're in the business of telling you what to do, and they wanna be better at that business.

   22. TGTulsi Gabbard45:56

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:56

       And the best way is to be able to, like, constantly be ab- able to surveil everything you say and do.

   24. TGTulsi Gabbard46:02

       Right. And, and again, it, it goes-

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       We shouldn't let 'em.

   26. TGTulsi Gabbard46:05

       No. And, and this is the problem, this is the problem is that, you know, every elected official t- swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Yet, as we saw with this most recent example, they are so ready to, uh, undermine our Fourth Amendment rights in the Constitution in the name of national security. And I know some of them are doing it with, with good intention, but with, without actually considering that the challenge and responsibility of those in government and those who have this power is to strike that correct balance between ensuring that our liberties and our constitutional rights are protected. You, you swear an oath to do this.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:45

       Yeah.

   28. TGTulsi Gabbard46:45

       When you, when you take this job, while also ensuring, "Okay, well, we can do both and we must do both." We can be safe and secure and also be able to live free without worrying about every time you pick up your phone or you make a phone call wondering if the government is surveilling us. And then you, you add onto that what's happening now where, you know, like January 6th, for example, I was working out in the gym, uh, Marine Corps gym in Hawaii down the street from our house, bumped into a guy who I met ... Uh, it's a long story, but I met him when, uh, The Rock's stunt double was getting his traditional Samoan tattoo. And it's a whole ceremony. It was a seven-day thing. And so this other guy is Samoan. We met and became friends. So I saw him in the gym and he's with his 14-year-old son. "How's it going," this and that. And he's like, "Oh, the FBI just came to my house out in Laie, uh, small rural community on the island of Oahu." I was like, "What's going on?" He's like, "Yeah, they came and knocked on my door because," he said, "I took my son to go and witness democracy." So they were part of those thousands of people who were out there on the lawn of the Capitol. And they, they didn't arrest him, they didn't charge him with anything.

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:54

       Wow.

   30. TGTulsi Gabbard47:55

       But, but how is it, how is it that, you know, years later, years later, they go and find this guy and his family in a rural Mormon community in Laie, in Hawaii, they're capturing all of the data of people whose, whose cell phones were pinging within the v- that vicinity-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      it today, because he called it. He knew it was gonna happen-

   2. TGTulsi Gabbard1:00:03

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      ... and it's happening, and it's happening from college campuses outward. So, the most radical of these ideologies are being promoted on colleges, because the kids are the youngest. They don't have jobs and real-world experience. They don't have... they don't, they don't... they're young. Th- they have ideologies.

   4. TGTulsi Gabbard1:00:20

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      They're, they're a, a little bit unrealistic, and they're all captured by this status game that's going on on-campus-

   6. TGTulsi Gabbard1:00:27

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:27

      ... where you're trying to be the most radical, like, "Oh, he's so radically pro-Palestine. He's so hot."

   8. TGTulsi Gabbard1:00:32

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

      You know?

   10. TGTulsi Gabbard1:00:33

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       And then that really becomes a thing. You become virtuous, and-

   12. TGTulsi Gabbard1:00:35

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       ... you, you become attractive. You become interesting without actually being interesting-

   14. TGTulsi Gabbard1:00:40

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

       ... just because you have this rabid...... adherence to an ideology that's right now i- in vogue. And that's really what it is. And I think a lot of that is funded by foreign governments. And, uh, s- there's a lot of evidence that points to it, and we should consider it as a possibility. And don't dismiss it as a conspiracy theory.

   16. TGTulsi Gabbard1:00:58

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       Consider it as a possibility. And so, this is a question about things like TikTok, like, and, and Twitter and all of 'em, all of 'em. 'Cause I guarantee you, it's not just foreign countries, kids. I guarantee you. There are people in this country that are using it.

   18. TGTulsi Gabbard1:01:15

       Yes.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       I know businesses do it.

   20. TGTulsi Gabbard1:01:16

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:17

       I n- I guarantee you, people do it to try to influence the way people think about things. And, uh, when you see posts ... I've seen posts m- multiple times saying, uh, ar- outrageous things, and I'll just, "Okay, let me click on this guy." And it's, like, usually some letters and the-

   22. TGTulsi Gabbard1:01:33

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       ... numbers, and a name-

   24. TGTulsi Gabbard1:01:35

       Mm-hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

       ... maybe, and a bunch of numbers. And then I click and I realize, "Oh, fake person."

   26. TGTulsi Gabbard1:01:38

       Yep.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       Just go through all this stuff.

   28. TGTulsi Gabbard1:01:40

       Zero posts. Yep.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

       Yeah, it's all just retweeting, uh, inflammatory stuff, and it's just nutty, fucking crazy politic takes, and, like, really aggressive takes on things.

   30. TGTulsi Gabbard1:01:52

       Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:17:38

   So- …

   1. TGTulsi Gabbard1:15:00

      from the, it was 1,200 people that were murdered and killed and the people that were raped on that attack on October 7th. Their- their goal being ultimately to influence populations around the world towards this, uh, Islamist ideology that they want to govern the world under Islamic rule, under Sharia law. And we've seen already how it's been successful in some parts of the world, even in Europe. In France, somebody was saying that, um, I think it's 25% of France is, uh, already living under Sharia law. Uh, and so the- this- this ideological war that's being waged is not ... It's being- it's being waged by one side, and there's- there's not a counter-narrative, there's not a counter-war being waged on the other side to defeat it with the superior ideology of freedom-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:53

      So-

   3. TGTulsi Gabbard1:15:53

      ... and what we value as a society. And that- that puts this mission and this effort. And- and it's not just Hamas. Obviously, Al-Qaeda and ISIS, and the- uh, you know, uh, other terrorist organizations around the world. They all have that same- that same objective, which poses this- this great, uh, the greatest short and long-term threat to people who value freedom, uh, and- and to civilization.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:16:17

      And we're also so uniquely vulnerable in that we- we do have this sort of democracy, you know? It's- it's obviously heavily influenced by money. Um, but, and then with the open borders, so you have all these people funneling into the country, and so you have an erosion of confidence in our entire system because people are very aware of that.

   5. TGTulsi Gabbard1:16:43

      Yes.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:16:43

      And the more people that are let out of jail after they commit violent crimes-

   7. TGTulsi Gabbard1:16:46

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:16:46

      ... the more people are aware of that. If you looked at the whole picture, e- all the things that are in play right now, particularly like with the open borders and giving people plane tickets and flying them to all these different cities, like, if I was gonna try to destroy the country, that's how I would do it. If I was gonna try to destroy the country, I would radicalize the kids. I would give them the- the stupidest ideas and- and run them in their head. Boys can be girls. Girls can be boys. Uh, boys can compete against girls in sports if they think they're a girl. Um, uh, Queers for Palestine, you know? Oh, the death to the Jews, yell it out.

   9. TGTulsi Gabbard1:17:24

      Mm-hmm.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:17:25

       U- unironically-

   11. TGTulsi Gabbard1:17:26

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:17:27

       ... on campuses.

   13. TGTulsi Gabbard1:17:28

       Yeah. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:17:28

       And have the presidents of those colleges and universities defend it, which was wild.

   15. TGTulsi Gabbard1:17:34

       Completely.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:17:34

       With cameras on 'em. (laughs) Like, not even behind-

   17. TGTulsi Gabbard1:17:35

       Yeah. It shows how scared they are.

Episode duration: 2:39:42