Joe Rogan Experience #2153 - Dave Smith

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (heavy guitar music) Did you see, uh, Hochul, what she said, that, uh, young Black kids don't know what a computer is?

   4. DSDave Smith0:20

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Did you see her say that?

   6. DSDave Smith0:22

      No, I didn't see that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:23

      Oh my God, it's ... And all these dudes did these hilarious videos-

   8. DSDave Smith0:26

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:26

      ... where, uh, these young Black guys, like, got around a computer, and they stared at it-

   10. DSDave Smith0:30

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       ... and bit it and took it. (laughs)

   12. DSDave Smith0:33

       (laughs) There's like a ... It's like an age thing too 'cause that, that used to kind of be the line that, like, uh, liberals would say. "You know, the problem with Black kids is they just don't have any role models. They've never been exposed to this." But that's just totally not true anymore. And sometimes now, 'cause they're from a different generation, they'll still say that. And you're like, "Are you ... Have you been around Black people lately?"

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:54

       But saying young, poor, Black kids don't know what a computer is is so crazy. (laughs)

   14. DSDave Smith1:02

       They've got one in their pocket.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       It's such a dumb thing to say. It's amazing that you could something like that and be the governor of a major state. Don't even know what the word computer is.

   16. DSDave Smith1:18

       Oh, they don't ... They're not even familiar with the term?

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       They don't know these things. Like, is she doing a survey? Ma'am, where did you get this data?

   18. DSDave Smith1:27

       (laughs) Well, this is why Malcolm X said that, uh, there's nothing more racist than a white liberal.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:32

       Yes.

   20. DSDave Smith1:32

       'Cause of shit like this.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:34

       Well, they're weak. Weak people are dangerous. Weak people that don't like strength are dangerous. They're dangerous 'cause they wanna suppress everything. That's what's spooky about it. Weak people scare the shit out of me, more than even, like, totalitarians do sometimes, 'cause they eventually become totalitarian. You know, it's like the bullied become the bullies, you know. They want payback. But it's just that weak liberal men are, to me, they, they're so detestable, the weak ones. I mean, there's some intelligent, brilliant liberal men that just, that's their philosophy. And I think if you're not exposed to the, the pitfalls of liberalism, if you don't see what happens to your state when those policies get enacted, specifically when things go south. If everything was going great, like, if ... No one gave a shit who the mayor of Los Angeles was in 2015.

   22. DSDave Smith2:32

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan2:32

       'Cause everything was great.

   24. DSDave Smith2:33

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan2:33

       You know? It was like there was no problems. Obama was president. The economy was doing good. We weren't at war really. Kinda we were, but-

   26. DSDave Smith2:40

       Yeah, yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan2:41

       ... it wasn't affecting us.

   28. DSDave Smith2:42

       Right. Well, there's something, um, on, on that topic of, like, weak, the weakness of modern liberals. 'Cause I, I was in, um ... Like late last year, I was in San Diego, and I haven't been to ... I mean, I've been to LA a couple times but much less than I used to go, like when you were out there. Um, and I, I haven't been to San Francisco in years. But I was in San Diego, and it's like, you know, um ... You've been there. It's like a beautiful city downtown, and where, where we were, uh, is a great comedy club, the American Comedy Company down there.

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:12

       Going?

   30. DSDave Smith3:12

       No, I'm good.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Dude, I think there's…

   1. DSDave Smith15:00

      as he's explaining that he is on, um, ivermectin, he goes, "Now a lot of people are gonna say Joe Rogan is right." And, and then he has a moment where he pauses, realizes he can't even come up with anything, and he goes, "All right, Joe Rogan was right." And then goes on to say exactly what you've been saying for years now, that l- just the most basic thing that anyone who did five minutes of research could have figured out, which there's no cont- uh, controversy in any of this. That ivermectin has been given to humans billions of times, that it's a safe drug, and that there were some indications that it might help with COVID. And that it's not horse dewormer, and that... But the fact that that's not a- attached to, like, a profuse apology. Like, "Hey, I'm..." Like, if I, I couldn't imagine a scenario where I had like viciously smeared someone for something, then realized he was 100% right and I was 100% wrong, and when acknowledging that, I wouldn't also go, "Hey, I'm really sorry about that."

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:01

      Dude, I think there's a cult-like thinking in mainstream media, whether they're, they know they're being influenced by their sponsors or they're not. But I don't even think they understand how crazy it is. When I had Sanjay Gupta on... Sanjay Gupta is a very nice man. I think he's a good man. I really do. And he's, he's a surgeon. I mean, he's very busy. The guy's constantly working. And he comes in to give medical information and, and give this, you know, lay things out for CNN. And I think he thinks he's doing the right thing. When they asked him to be on the podcast, I, I don't know what they thought was gonna happen. I don't think they... I think they thought they were right. I really do.

   3. DSDave Smith16:45

      I think... My, my guess, and this is just a guess, um, but I have been in that world a little bit. Like, I, I worked for CNN for a year, and I've done a lot of shows on Fox News, and I've met a lot of people, you know, and, and talked to a lot of people who work at CNN and Fox News. And my, my guess on it is that, number one, he had a book. So they wanna sell copies of the book, and they know you have the biggest show. And so they're like, "Oh, this will be really good." And then I also think this thing, there's this thing where they all, yeah, they all really do feel like we're the experts. And they know they're the experts because, I mean, "I just got off the phone with, you know, the Chief of Staff of the White House," and I know... You know, they're very into that kind of, like, that world where I've talked to everyone with status. And I think there, there's hubris involved, where they're like, "You'll be able to handle whatever a comedian throws at you." Like, "You're a medical expert and he's not." But then you would just ask really basic questions, which my favorite was, uh, when he goes, "So are you gonna get the vaccine?" And you were like, "Well, no, I just had COVID. I have natural immunity." And you were like, "Why should I get the vaccine?" And he had no answer. And this was at a time when they were rolling out vaccine passports. And he, he just dem- They were... The whole line was just, "You have to get the vaccine or you're a bad person. This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated." And then he just demonstrated on your show that there was this huge category of people, people who have had COVID already, who he had no argument for why they should get the thing.

   4. JRJoe Rogan18:14

      Not only that, there had already been research that showed that natural immunity from previous infection was up to seven times better at preventing new cases of COVID.

   5. DSDave Smith18:24

      Which is consistent across viruses.

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:26

      Of course.

   7. DSDave Smith18:26

      Like, it's always better to have natural immunity.

   8. JRJoe Rogan18:27

      Just, just like-

   9. DSDave Smith18:28

      The, the, the vaccine is always trying to simulate natural immunity.

   10. JRJoe Rogan18:30

       This is what was so fucked...... look, I'm no scholar. I'm not a smart guy. I'm a normal person. I'm, there's nothing special about my brain. And I'm seeing all this stuff and I'm like, "W- why isn't anybody speak..." I started to feel like I was going crazy. Like, am I going crazy for not just letting them shoot me up with this stuff after I got COVID just so I let everybody know I'm on the team?

   11. DSDave Smith18:58

       Right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan18:58

       'Cause there's this pull, there's a fucking societal pull that even me, even me who was like, "This is, I know this is ridiculous. This is making..." I, all the people I've talked to, all the research I've done on previous disease, and bo- my research is reading other people's re- I don't, I'm doing r- it's a bad word.

   13. DSDave Smith19:14

       Sure.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       From all the-

   15. DSDave Smith19:15

       But, sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:15

       ... reading that I've done, Jimmy D- Jimmy Dore has a great bit about that.

   17. DSDave Smith19:18

       Oh, it's so funny.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:19

       About-

   19. DSDave Smith19:20

       I love it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:20

       ... don't, don't do your own research. It used to be called reading. (laughs)

   21. DSDave Smith19:24

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       Jimmy Dore's-

   23. DSDave Smith19:25

       Ah, it's such a-

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       ... awesome, I love him.

   25. DSDave Smith19:26

       Love Jimmy Dore. But it's a great bit.

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:28

       I, i- in my limited looking at this, I was like, "Something's wrong here." There's this mass societal push. People are, they're trapped in like a mind virus of this one particular solution. And Dr. Robert Malone laid what that out, what, what that is, like psychologically what happens when one thing is offered that seems to be the solution out of this existential crisis. Horrible situation that we're in. And anybody who opposes that opposes getting out, and you gotta be on that side all in, and you gotta believe even in the pharmaceutical drug companies.

   27. DSDave Smith20:07

       And like, there's, there's this weird, you know, 'cause we're weird social, psychological creatures. And you know, if you think about like the Milgram experiments and how, what people will do if there's a person in a white coat telling them to do it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:20

       Yes.

   29. DSDave Smith20:21

       And part of like the culture-

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:22

       Explain the Milgram thing so that-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yes. …

   1. DSDave Smith30:00

      And in the same way that Twitter, I mean, now you could, like, post longer stuff, but you know how Twitter just because it's short, it just, like pushes you into, like saying just, whatever just can destroy that guy-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      Yes.

   3. DSDave Smith30:10

      ... in one sentence.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:11

      Yes.

   5. DSDave Smith30:11

      It's like it pushes you into that. It's, it's-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      Mm-hmm.

   7. DSDave Smith30:13

      It's just not-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:14

      It's headlines.

   9. DSDave Smith30:14

      Yeah. That's all you can do.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:16

       It's not... And when you're dealing with something like this, just the depth of it all is just so perplexing. You know, when you just lay out, like, when Mike Baker's on and he lays out the history of, like, Palestine and Israel and the conflict in Egypt and this and that and Hamas and Hezbollah, and he lays it all... You're like, "Jesus Christ."There's so many layers to this fucking cake.

   11. DSDave Smith30:42

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:42

       And most people are just getting, "Free Palestine, from the river to the sea. Yay!" You know, you're just getting these, like, slogans that you yell out, and you're seeing, who knows how much of what you're seeing is even real today. I mean-

   13. DSDave Smith30:56

       Well, you mean, like, with the, with the protests?

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       With the footage. The footage.

   15. DSDave Smith30:59

       Oh, yeah, yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:59

       The footage of things. Even footage of, uh, p- like people fake things now.

   17. DSDave Smith31:05

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:05

       And they fake things specifically for propaganda, and then they hide things. One of the most terrifying videos I saw recently was one of the Israeli hostages. She was in the back of a Jeep, and they drag her out by her hair, and she's got blood all over her, and they, they had hacked her heels to make sure she couldn't run.

   19. DSDave Smith31:24

       Yeah, mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       Bro, it's so terrifying. It's so s- And they're all screaming, "God is great." Go- "Allahu akbar." Oh, man.

   21. DSDave Smith31:32

       Yeah, dude. I know, I think there's a thing... I don't know if I could word this exactly right, but I think there's a, for some reason, I think comedians have this thing that they're kinda able to go to these places. Do you remember, do you remember when you had Bill Burr on your show and you played this video... I don't know why I just loved this moment so much, but you played this video of a dude, like, ripping something out of a little girl's hand. And it was something, like the guy, like... She had a piece of paper, something, that he want- He was way aggressive. Like, there's a gr-

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       I think it was a protest, yeah.

   23. DSDave Smith32:00

       Yeah, it was like a grown man going up to, like, a little girl and ripping it out. And you, uh, like immediately, you were like, "Oh man, that'd be real bad if that was my kid. Like, I'd be in jail the next day over that." And then Burr was like, uh, he was like, "Oh, you went through a dark place there." And you were like, "Yeah, I do that a lot." And he was like, "I do that all the time too." (laughs) It was like-

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:16

       (laughs)

   25. DSDave Smith32:16

       It was just something about like... Comedians, for whatever reason, do that, and-

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:19

       Well, also parents.

   27. DSDave Smith32:20

       Yeah. Well, that particularly. But I just-

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:22

       It's-

   29. DSDave Smith32:22

       I- it's just very easy for me. I don't know why. This always just came very natural to me. Whereas I think some people have so much trouble with this. But I, it's very easy for me to do this on both sides of this conflict, to just go, "Okay," like, I got two little kids. I could just tr- just start to imagine if somebody did something to one of my little kids and I wasn't able to protect them. And what I'd be willing to do, like, how dark a place I could go to. And it's just, like, immediately very easy to me to see how anyone in Israel, after October 7th, would support fucking flatten Gaza and how anyone in Palestine, after what's gone on the last 50 years there, would be like, "Yeah, I'll sign up for Hamas. I'll support these guys-"

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:02

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. DSDave Smith45:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      Yeah.

   3. DSDave Smith45:00

      Like, they could just come up with-

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Propaganda.

   5. DSDave Smith45:02

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      That's propaganda, bro.

   7. DSDave Smith45:02

      Well, yes, of course. But there are-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      That's propaganda.

   9. DSDave Smith45:04

      Yes, that's true. That's also true. But even people who are, like... I mean, I'd like... Look, I thought...

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:10

       The only way you could say that, that, what that guy made sense is if you're advocating that heroin should be legal.

   11. DSDave Smith45:16

       Yes. But those same-

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:17

       If you're advocating that heroin should be legal and this is your full perspec... Okay, now I'll accept it. But if you really think that heroin is a scourge and if you really do appreciate that 100,000 people died last year of opioid overdoses-

   13. DSDave Smith45:30

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:30

       ... 100,000. It's a real fucking crisis.

   15. DSDave Smith45:34

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       If there was a disease killing 100,000 people, we would freak the fuck out.

   17. DSDave Smith45:39

       Well, look. I mean, I do think there's a strong argument for legalization, but there's also a difference between that and the government kind of, like, sponsoring-

   18. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Damn, this says 90%.

   19. DSDave Smith45:48

       ... the trade of it.

   20. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       "90% of heroin globally and more than 95% of the European supply. More land is used for opiate in Afghanistan that is used for coca cultivation in Latin America." (laughs)

   21. DSDave Smith46:01

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:01

       Bro, do you don't think that has something to do with it? Is that... Am I silly?

   23. DSDave Smith46:07

       No, I think it's insane to ignore that. I mean, like, come on.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:10

       Where is that money?

   25. DSDave Smith46:11

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:12

       Where is that money?

   27. DSDave Smith46:12

       Well, that's... So, I was gonna say-

   28. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       (laughs)

   29. DSDave Smith46:14

       ... dude, Rand, Rand Paul... I thought this was so funny. It was during-

   30. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       Ugh.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:43

   Well, here's the craziest…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      don't have a s- if you have a smaller army and they have all the money, you gotta figure out a way to get them.

   2. DSDave Smith1:00:04

      Well, here's the craziest part of this, right? Is that, and I thought, we talked a bunch about the history of this last time I was on, but I don't think I mentioned this. Maybe I did. But, the craziest part of all of it is that the Israelis, or I shouldn't say the Israelis. The Israelis five seconds before they became Is- Israelis, like right before the creation of the state of Israel, they embraced terrorism. And by the way, these, these terrorists who were the leaders of these terrorist organizations like, um, Menachem Begin and, uh, Yitzhak Shamir, they went on to be prime ministers of Israel, but they were terrorists. And I'm not like, I don't mean this as a pejorative, like self-described terr- like they embraced terrorism with-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

      What was their organization called?

   4. DSDave Smith1:00:44

      With, uh, um, Menachem Begin's was the, um, the Irgun, that was his militia. And then there was, uh, Lehi or the Stern Gang. Um, and then there was the Haganah who was like the biggest one. Um, and they were not quite as terroristic, but they also were involved in a bunch of it. And their justification for it was to drive out the occupying force, which was the British at the time. The, after World War II, the Zionists who were in Palestine were like, had enough of the British, uh, occupying the area. And they wa- they were very angry because they had limited, uh, Jewish migration during the run-up to the Holocaust. Um, so they had a real beef with the, the British at this point, even though the British had kind of like allowed them to...... have a chance to establish a Jewish homeland there, but so they embraced terrorism to drive them out. Go, you can go look up the King David Hotel, uh, killed a whole bunch of innocent people, including Jews-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:01:40

      (laughs) .

   6. DSDave Smith1:01:40

      ... um, in, in the hotel because they just wanted to use terrorism to drive out an occupying force. And then they actually introduced terrorism into that region. And many of the same tactics that the Palestinians went on to embrace were stuff that they picked up from the Jewish terrorists at that time. But then the same Israelis will turn around and be like, "Well, I don't know why these Palestinians have embraced terrorism." And like they're telling you, it's for the same reason, it's to drive out an occupying force. Now of course the major difference there is that Israel, Israelis came to stay, whereas the British were there, you know, they had their... This was a satellite. They had their home country back in Europe and they could be driven out. It's a whole different thing to dri- try to drive someone out who's like, "No, we're setting up our homes here." Um, but-

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:02:24

      And there's more of us.

   8. DSDave Smith1:02:26

      Yeah, well not that man- I mean there's, there's Palestinians and, and Israelis is pretty close if you count all of them.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:02:33

      Well you're, you're also backed by America.

   10. DSDave Smith1:02:36

       Well that's, that's the major difference.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:02:37

       (laughs) .

   12. DSDave Smith1:02:38

       Well and th- so that's, but that's basically my essential argument is that America shouldn't be, uh, playing this role. And that-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:02:43

       This is, this is being argued out now.

   14. DSDave Smith1:02:46

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:02:46

       You know, this is, this is uh, a big point of contention now politically, right? Because the Biden administration is not giving the same amount of support to Israel that it was-

   16. DSDave Smith1:02:56

       They've been giving basically, I mean what's really going on is that Joe Biden, this is a disaster politically for Joe Biden and something like... I mean looking at the polls recently-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

       I think you and I have-

   18. DSDave Smith1:03:06

       ... 50% of his base-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:03:07

       ... different Twitter followers because, uh...

   20. DSDave Smith1:03:11

       (laughs) .

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:03:11

       What do you mean? My fa- I mean the, my Twitter feed seems like he's doing a great job.

   22. DSDave Smith1:03:15

       Really? D- does it? Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:03:16

       (laughs) .

   24. DSDave Smith1:03:16

       He's doing excellent. He's totally got it down.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:03:18

       There's a lot of people that are arguing that.

   26. DSDave Smith1:03:19

       Did I say, I sent you-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03:20

       The creation of jobs.

   28. DSDave Smith1:03:21

       I sent you his, uh, his latest, uh, clip from a speech that New Biden just dropped and it's the newest-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:27

       Yes.

   30. DSDave Smith1:03:27

       ... the newest one he goes... And by the way, it's not... He, he meant to say I think financial crash, but he said pandemic, but he said during the pandemic when he was vice president-

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