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Hochul’s “kids don’t know computers” comment and the ‘white liberal’ racism critique
- NANarrator
(drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (heavy guitar music) Did you see, uh, Hochul, what she said, that, uh, young Black kids don't know what a computer is?
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you see her say that?
- DSDave Smith
No, I didn't see that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God, it's ... And all these dudes did these hilarious videos-
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... where, uh, these young Black guys, like, got around a computer, and they stared at it-
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... and bit it and took it. (laughs)
- DSDave Smith
(laughs) There's like a ... It's like an age thing too 'cause that, that used to kind of be the line that, like, uh, liberals would say. "You know, the problem with Black kids is they just don't have any role models. They've never been exposed to this." But that's just totally not true anymore. And sometimes now, 'cause they're from a different generation, they'll still say that. And you're like, "Are you ... Have you been around Black people lately?"
- JRJoe Rogan
But saying young, poor, Black kids don't know what a computer is is so crazy. (laughs)
- DSDave Smith
They've got one in their pocket.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's such a dumb thing to say. It's amazing that you could something like that and be the governor of a major state. Don't even know what the word computer is.
- DSDave Smith
Oh, they don't ... They're not even familiar with the term?
- JRJoe Rogan
They don't know these things. Like, is she doing a survey? Ma'am, where did you get this data?
- DSDave Smith
(laughs) Well, this is why Malcolm X said that, uh, there's nothing more racist than a white liberal.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- DSDave Smith
'Cause of shit like this.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, they're weak. Weak people are dangerous. Weak people that don't like strength are dangerous. They're dangerous 'cause they wanna suppress everything. That's what's spooky about it. Weak people scare the shit out of me, more than even, like, totalitarians do sometimes, 'cause they eventually become totalitarian. You know, it's like the bullied become the bullies, you know. They want payback. But it's just that weak liberal men are, to me, they, they're so detestable, the weak ones. I mean, there's some intelligent, brilliant liberal men that just, that's their philosophy. And I think if you're not exposed to the, the pitfalls of liberalism, if you don't see what happens to your state when those policies get enacted, specifically when things go south. If everything was going great, like, if ... No one gave a shit who the mayor of Los Angeles was in 2015.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause everything was great.
- DSDave Smith
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? It was like there was no problems. Obama was president. The economy was doing good. We weren't at war really. Kinda we were, but-
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it wasn't affecting us.
- 2:42 – 4:56
Homeless encampments as a symptom of ‘niceness’ and governance failure
- DSDave Smith
Right. Well, there's something, um, on, on that topic of, like, weak, the weakness of modern liberals. 'Cause I, I was in, um ... Like late last year, I was in San Diego, and I haven't been to ... I mean, I've been to LA a couple times but much less than I used to go, like when you were out there. Um, and I, I haven't been to San Francisco in years. But I was in San Diego, and it's like, you know, um ... You've been there. It's like a beautiful city downtown, and where, where we were, uh, is a great comedy club, the American Comedy Company down there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Going?
- DSDave Smith
No, I'm good.
- JRJoe Rogan
Great club.
- DSDave Smith
Great club. Love that place. Um, and I'm, like, downtown, and, uh, we were g- going... Me and my buddy, Rob Bernstein, uh, very funny comedian who was, uh, with me on the trip. We're, like, walking around, and the great restaurants, really nice little town. But then there's just blocks-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DSDave Smith
... that are taken over by these homeless encampments.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
And right next to 'em, it's like all these young professionals and these nice restaurants and this nice city, and I was just thinking about that. Like, how, how are all of the men here so weak that they won't just kinda, like, put their foot down and be like, "Hey, no, we're not gonna put up with this"? Like, "We're not just ..." It's almost like this, um, like niceness has taken over to the point that you can't even defend this cool city that you have here. And I- I'm not saying, like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
... bash the homeless people with clubs or anything like that. I'm just saying, like, why are you allowing this to happen? And it is, like, a profound weakness-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
... that, "Well, we'd feel like bad people if we were to say we don't want junkies covered in shit right next to our outdoor dining."
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
And you're like, "No, that would just be reasonable."
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, what they need is a reasonable plan to help these people.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If you really care, if you really care, you gotta do something. Like, you, you can't just let them exist everywhere, and then ... In San Francisco, the most recent bizarre one is they're gonna give them alcohol. They're gonna give money and alcohol. What is it? Is there ... Are they giving them actual booze, or are they giving them money to buy booze? Help me out with this one 'cause it's just so San Francisco. San Francisco was amazing. I lived there in the '70s. I lived there during the Vietnam War when I was a little kid. It was incredible. It was weird.
- DSDave Smith
I'm sure.
- 4:56 – 9:40
Luck vs discipline: why responsibility and misfortune both matter
- JRJoe Rogan
It was like it shaped, it shaped the way I view things 'cause, like, if I had grown up in, like, a very conservative environment with, like, my sensibilities, like my hard work ethic and my belief that, you know, you get very fortunate in life, in like how you're, you're gifted things, like how you get lucky. Like, if you're beautiful, for instance, if you're a beautiful woman or man, you're ... What a roll of the dice.
- DSDave Smith
Sure.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, good Lord, good Lord, did you kill it in the fucking genetic lottery. I mean, you can't do anything about that. You can't earn that.
- DSDave Smith
Yup.
- JRJoe Rogan
You can't go out and get beauty, you know? But after that, whatever hand you, you've given, you've been given, a lot of it is on you. A lot of it is on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, terrible things happen to people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Violence happens. Crime happens. Disease happens. Yes, 100%. Misfortune happens 100%. We're all ... Anyone listening to this right now is lucky you can hear, okay? There's people that can't hear, right? But put that aside, and there's a factor that we need to take into consideration. That factor is discipline. That factor is hard work. That factor is focus. And we should cherish that, and we, we, we shouldn't think of it only as negative 'cause it always ...People always think it manifests itself in greed and in callous disregard for other people's lives. But that's not necessarily true. They're not mutually exclusive. Like you can have discipline and be a kind person, and be a compassionate person, and be a liberal person. But so often, liberals in, in this country, they do not want to take that into consideration, that discipline is a factor. Conservatives always value discipline. They value hard work. That's why when they wanna sell shit to those people, what do they do? They show a guy on a farm cracking open a beer, a guy who's just been working his fucking ass off for 10 hours a day, "Cracking a beer. Around here, it's all just about hard work."
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
And the guy just sh- throwing back a cold one.
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
You know? I mean, that's what they're selling you. They're selling you hard work. They're not selling you, you know, this poor farmer, you know, who's born into farming life, and it's not equitable or fair, while there's billionaires out there who just make money trading money. And it's bullshit, and we need to distribute wealth. And like, no. No, that's not the answer either, stupid. Like that's-
- DSDave Smith
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
... not the answer. But you do need programs to get these people out of homelessness, and you can't, uh, just encourage them to keep doing it. It's bad for them. It's bad for you. It's bad for the city. It's bad for property values. It's bad for everything.
- DSDave Smith
Yep. I couldn't agree more.
- JRJoe Rogan
San Francisco gives actual alcohol. (laughs)
- DSDave Smith
(laughs) We're not talking rubbing alcohol here, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
They're talking like booze?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, they're so good. They're so good. They sp-... But these, it's the old hippies, they're still there. They're wearing masks right now while they're listening to this, screaming, "No, no, no, no!"
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're, they're-
- DSDave Smith
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
... all lost.
- DSDave Smith
See, the, like to, to your point, it's like a, look, it'd be ridiculous if, if someone just completely dismissed the first part of what you were saying.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- DSDave Smith
Like that there are some-
- JRJoe Rogan
Fortune.
- DSDave Smith
... things that, fortune, luck. You know?
- JRJoe Rogan
Luck is huge.
- DSDave Smith
That w- we all d- didn't get leukemia as little kids, and died.
- JRJoe Rogan
Absolutely. If you get shot in a drive-by-
- DSDave Smith
Um, yes.
- 9:40 – 12:14
Elon, Don Lemon, and why long-form conversation beat cable news framing
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... of people. I'm, I'm friends now, this is a bizarre thing to say, with multiple billionaires.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know multiple guys that are billionaires, and they're very nice people. They're very nice. And I could see how it happens, 'cause-
- DSDave Smith
But you're also friends with the cool billionaires.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
You know? Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
... you manage to find the cool ones.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, Elon's the coolest. He's my favorite billionaire. That, that dude's wild. He's a wild boy. I will buy Teslas as long as they sell them just to support that dude.
- DSDave Smith
Just to, just to keep Twitter going.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they're dope. But yeah, just to c- to support him, man. The, the, you, you, you, goddammit, you need an Elon Musk in this world.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You need a wild boy. You need a dude-
- DSDave Smith
Dude, how great-
- JRJoe Rogan
... who's got $200 billion who dunks on people.
- DSDave Smith
Dude, how great-
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DSDave Smith
... was watching him realize in real time how stupid Don Lemon is?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- DSDave Smith
Like you could actually see on his face-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Oh my God.
- DSDave Smith
... as he's asking the questions, and he's like, uh, "Well, if you lower standards, then you're gonna get more incompetence." And Don Lemon's like, "So you're saying Black people aren't competent?" And he's like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ugh.
- DSDave Smith
... "No, that's not what..." And he slowly starts to realize like, "Oh, I have 80 IQ points on this guy."
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not just that.
- DSDave Smith
Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
He said a very important point. He said that Don Lemon was doing CNN outside of CNN.
- DSDave Smith
Yep. Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
And you don't have to do that. You just, don't, nobody wants that anymore.
- 12:14 – 22:04
COVID media hypocrisy: mandates, ivermectin smears, and the ‘cult’ dynamics of consensus
- JRJoe Rogan
I want you to imagine a scenario. Imagine a scenario where COVID breaks out.Um, and for whatever reason, the mainstream media is saying that we should be very careful about experimental drugs. And they start... These journalists start bringing up all these stories about different drugs, where you could see how they chose very specific tests, and that some of their tests, some of their studies didn't go well at all, and they buried those, and they're allowed to do so. And about how they've killed thousands and thousands of people with these drugs they knew were bad for them. And if the journalists were saying this, but the podcasters were all going, "You need to trust the science."
- DSDave Smith
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"Everyone should be vaccinated. Be vaccinated or you're a fucking plague rat." Imagine, imagine if the podcasters were calling the unvaccinated plague rats. Imagine if the podcasters were encouraging medical misinformation.
- DSDave Smith
Doesn't it seem...
- JRJoe Rogan
But, but what I... my point is, imagine the backlash right now where there's none coming their way.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
There's zero. It's like everyone forgot about it. It all went away.
- DSDave Smith
Well, I'm debating Chris Cuomo, uh...
- JRJoe Rogan
We would be in jail.
- DSDave Smith
I'll be debating Chris Cuomo...
- JRJoe Rogan
I know.
- DSDave Smith
... uh, in a few days.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the set-up.
- DSDave Smith
So that'll be, that'll be fun for that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bro, we would be...
- DSDave Smith
But, dude, doesn't it...
- JRJoe Rogan
We would be in jail.
- DSDave Smith
Does-
- JRJoe Rogan
All these people that are dropping dead, all these people with strokes, all these people with heart attacks, all these people with... What, what was the AstraZeneca thing that I sent you today?
- DSDave Smith
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was it-
- JRJoe Rogan
AstraZeneca, they were saying that 11% of the people had an adverse side effect.
- DSDave Smith
And like, serious...
- JRJoe Rogan
Serious.
- DSDave Smith
... adverse, uh, uh, side effects. Yeah. But, uh, even as you lay out this scenario, doesn't it almost in some way be like, i- it feels like that makes more sense? What would make more sense was that comedians, like me and you, would have just been saying the dumb thing and repeating it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
But the person in a suit and tie at CNN, I mean, this dude's a professional newsman.
- JRJoe Rogan
We-
- DSDave Smith
Like, he knows what's going on.
- JRJoe Rogan
They would make a very good argument for ending podcasts.
- DSDave Smith
Sure.
- 22:04 – 29:17
Collapse of institutional trust: Russia-collusion coverage, meme warfare, and hypocrisy as propaganda
- DSDave Smith
Well one of, this is one of the things I'm really interested to talk to Chris Cuomo about. Um, and by the way, this, that's on Patrick Bet-David's show, uh, on the 31st. Um, but y- you know, these guys, I'm kind of fascinated by the people in the corporate press, as much, um, contempt as I have for them, because it's amazing to be working, you're working in this industry where, okay, before COVID, the, the corporate media had the lowest, uh, approval numbers since they've been keeping track of them. Like trust-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well they, what happened was-
- DSDave Smith
... trusted media had evaporated.
- JRJoe Rogan
... there was the, the war with Donald Trump. That's really what it was. It's like social media was all controlled by the left wing media, and the left wing media was all in on this war against Donald Trump.
- DSDave Smith
It was a huge part of it. I mean, I would say the backdrop is the war on terror, the, the terror wars, getting all of that wrong, the financial crisis, not seeing that coming and kind of getting that all wrong.
- JRJoe Rogan
The weapons of mass destruction thing.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, that's, all that stuff, Iraq and Afghanistan being disasters. So that's kind of in the backdrop, and then you have the worst financial crisis in, in a hundred years. So that happened, but then th- there's no question, I mean, p- and particularly, not just the war with Donald Trump, but particularly the allegation of a conspiracy with Russia, that they said-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
... every single day, all day for three years long. I mean, if you think about it, it's the big, if true, it's the biggest news story in the history of the United States of America.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
They're claiming that the current sitting president is guilty of treason. He was installed by a hostile foreign power who overthrew our elections in order to install him. It was quite a claim to run with 24/7, and then to find out after three years that we have nothing. Not like, there's nothing, no evidence pointing toward this conspiracy even existing. So that, their, their trust had already evaporated. But then after COVID, they will never recover.
- JRJoe Rogan
But people will still go on Bill Maher and argue this. They'll still say there's evidence.
- DSDave Smith
Right, they got nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like people still wanna, they still wanna say there's evidence. They, they'll still say it.
- DSDave Smith
Not only isn't there, there's not even evidence that Vladimir Putin interfered in the 2016 election. The best they have is like there are some bot farms that they can trace to Russian IP addresses, which is like, I'm not a tech guy. Jamie, you know this better than me, but they say it's the easiest thing to fake, is an IP address. The, the fact that an IP address traces to Russia is like almost more indicative that someone's trying to frame Russia than it is that Russia was involved.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- DSDave Smith
But even the guys who they got-... they, they-
- JRJoe Rogan
Dude, imagine if we found out that that's what the case was.
- DSDave Smith
The connection was, like, he knew Putin.
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine if we found out that the, the Russian troll farms were, like, completely insignificant. (laughs) And it's all just, like, government-controlled troll farms.
- DSDave Smith
Well, I mean, look, even if they were all from Vladimir Putin, they were fairly insignificant in terms of, like, interfering in elections with other culture and with other countries and how it works.
- JRJoe Rogan
No, but their most effective strategy was funny memes.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
I mean, it really was a very effective strategy because it makes some... When you mock something, it makes, makes it much more easy to dismiss that in terms of whether or not, like, that's the right choice for president.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
If someone can, like, openly mock... And why do you think they openly mocked Donald Trump's... They even made stuff up, like about his hand size.
- DSDave Smith
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Remember, they were, there, there was this thing that he had little hands. (clears throat) Dude, I was shaking his hands. He's got normal fucking hands.
- DSDave Smith
(laughs) Yeah, it's been confirmed.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) You know that, he's a big guy.
- 29:17 – 48:01
Why complex conflicts can’t fit in headlines: Israel–Gaza, propaganda footage, and emotional logic
- DSDave Smith
... on any of these shows. Dude, I did a, uh, I did a debate for, uh, Zero Hedge, um, a couple months ago on, like, the Israel-Gaza, uh, conflict. And there were, it was a two-on-two debate and it was two hours long. And the only thing I could think at the end of it was like, "That just wasn't nearly enough time."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DSDave Smith
It's like two hours-
- JRJoe Rogan
I know, isn't that crazy?
- DSDave Smith
... four people. You get, like, a half hour... Uh, you know, uh, roughly, not... I don't know exactly if we all spoke even time, but roughly a half hour each. That's not nearly enough to go through, like, the history of all this shit and what's going on now and to really make your points. And that's a two-hour debate. They, they'll do that same segment on the news in 10 minutes-
- JRJoe Rogan
Five minutes.
- DSDave Smith
You're like, "This is insane."
- JRJoe Rogan
It's insanity.
- DSDave Smith
You're just trying to hit whatever the best point you can hit is. And in the same way that Twitter, I mean, now you could, like, post longer stuff, but you know how Twitter just because it's short, it just, like pushes you into, like saying just, whatever just can destroy that guy-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- DSDave Smith
... in one sentence.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes.
- DSDave Smith
It's like it pushes you into that. It's, it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DSDave Smith
It's just not-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's headlines.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah. That's all you can do.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's not... And when you're dealing with something like this, just the depth of it all is just so perplexing. You know, when you just lay out, like, when Mike Baker's on and he lays out the history of, like, Palestine and Israel and the conflict in Egypt and this and that and Hamas and Hezbollah, and he lays it all... You're like, "Jesus Christ."There's so many layers to this fucking cake.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And most people are just getting, "Free Palestine, from the river to the sea. Yay!" You know, you're just getting these, like, slogans that you yell out, and you're seeing, who knows how much of what you're seeing is even real today. I mean-
- DSDave Smith
Well, you mean, like, with the, with the protests?
- JRJoe Rogan
With the footage. The footage.
- DSDave Smith
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The footage of things. Even footage of, uh, p- like people fake things now.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And they fake things specifically for propaganda, and then they hide things. One of the most terrifying videos I saw recently was one of the Israeli hostages. She was in the back of a Jeep, and they drag her out by her hair, and she's got blood all over her, and they, they had hacked her heels to make sure she couldn't run.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
Bro, it's so terrifying. It's so s- And they're all screaming, "God is great." Go- "Allahu akbar." Oh, man.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, dude. I know, I think there's a thing... I don't know if I could word this exactly right, but I think there's a, for some reason, I think comedians have this thing that they're kinda able to go to these places. Do you remember, do you remember when you had Bill Burr on your show and you played this video... I don't know why I just loved this moment so much, but you played this video of a dude, like, ripping something out of a little girl's hand. And it was something, like the guy, like... She had a piece of paper, something, that he want- He was way aggressive. Like, there's a gr-
- JRJoe Rogan
I think it was a protest, yeah.
- 48:01 – 55:28
Gaza realities: ‘war’ vs one-sided force, aid convoy attacks, and inflammatory rhetoric
- DSDave Smith
Right. You know, it's... Uh, anyway, man. I do... I will say that I think, um, a lot of, a lot of the defense of the, the war in Gaza, which I kinda feel weird even calling a war 'cause it's not ex-... Doesn't exactly feel like that's what the term should be.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's like the Bill Hicks joke. It's only a war when two armies are fighting.
- DSDave Smith
Well, right.
- JRJoe Rogan
Remember that joke he did about-
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, vaguely.
- JRJoe Rogan
... uh, uh, I... About Iraq? They said, "Oh, Bill, Iraq is the fourth-largest army." He goes, "Yeah, but after number three, there's a big drop off." (laughs)
- DSDave Smith
Right. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
He goes, "The Salvation Army's number five." (laughs)
- DSDave Smith
(laughs) Yeah, that's a great bit.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's a great bit.
- DSDave Smith
T-... Well, I mean, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
He had some great bits about the war.
- DSDave Smith
Look, but in the case... But in the case of Gaza, it's not even like... There's not even a government. I mean, there are stateless people who have been captive by the Israelis since 1967. Um, so-
- JRJoe Rogan
And, and then they're captive politically in their own country by Hamas.
- DSDave Smith
Right. Who's-
- JRJoe Rogan
And then Hamas does do what this, this accusation is that they, they have their bases under schools and hospitals. They actually do do that.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah, I think it's, it's certainly exaggerated at times by the Israelis, but there is no question that they are... Look, they're in this... Gaza is a... Dude, it's five miles wide.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know, it's crazy.
- DSDave Smith
Gaza's, Gaza's, you know, like, you could-
- JRJoe Rogan
So little.
- DSDave Smith
You could jog from one side to the other without taking a break.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's literally-
- DSDave Smith
I would take a break.
- JRJoe Rogan
... way closer, way smaller than here to my club.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Now imagine that. Imagine, imagine. Like an extra 10 miles.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
That small tract of land in the last five miles is what's getting the fuck blown out of it.
- DSDave Smith
It is, it's, it's, uh, I think 25 by five, so it's like a marathon by a jog.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- 55:28 – 1:13:28
Two-state problem and the ‘Netanyahu propped up Hamas’ argument
- DSDave Smith
I'm just saying I'm not against engaging in a thought experiment to think about, like, what that scenario would look like. But at the same time, you're like...It does seem like that's serving, in this case, as a distraction from the real world scenario that's going on here. So like, if you're gonna say, if Israel... Like, yes, I would not recommend Israel lay down all of their arms, completely disarm themselves, and then open up the, the wall to Gaza and allow Hamas to come in. What? But that's not on the table. That's never gonna happen. So like, even thinking about that as a thought experiment doesn't really prove that much. What's actually going on here is like, what Israel is doing to Gaza, and you know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right. But if you could flip it around, the opposite would be true. Like, if Hamas did lay down all their weapons, and if they did completely give up, you're gonna have some Israeli soldiers that do not give a fuck, that still wanna shoot them. But for the most part, if there was nothing, if they completely gave up, which is also not gonna happen, but if that did happen, you couldn't see a situation where Israel just continues bombing.
- DSDave Smith
Maybe not, but then where... What do they go to? Just being subjugated by the Israelite- back to the status quo of just being a stateless people-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's-
- DSDave Smith
... of permanent-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the question.
- DSDave Smith
... permanent refugees-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DSDave Smith
... with no natural rights whatsoever, no ability to trade with the world, no ability to come and leave. You can't have an airport. You can't have a seaport. You can't go out fishing past where some IDF guy decides you're not allowed to. So like, yeah, if, if Hamas laid down all their arms, perhaps Israel would stop the bombing campaign-
- JRJoe Rogan
But they would still-
- DSDave Smith
And they would just continue subjugation forever, which has been the Likud Party official policy since they were created by the terrorist Menachem Begin. Like sin- literally since the, this party that is the ruling party in Israel was created, their goal has been that the Palestinian people never get their own state, they never get their own freedom. And that's been, uh, and that's resulted in this. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
And if you don't give them their own fr- there's no way you can justify it. No way you can justify that a whole entire group of people never get to be a country. That are tol- they don't get the rights of the Israelis. They don't get the rights of, of, of a sovereign country. They're trapped.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah. Nothing. Literally no rights whatsoever. And-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's kind of crazy that that's being done by Israel, if you really think about it.
- DSDave Smith
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's kind of crazy.
- DSDave Smith
Well, in some way, in a way it is. And then in another way, it's kinda not. It's kinda like there's this weird, you know, hurt people hurt people type thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm. Right.
- DSDave Smith
Like, when you kinda suffer this trauma and, and, and this, we're speaking collectively here, so it's not exactly the same as an individual. But like, you suffer this trauma and then you use that to justify doing whatever the hell you gotta do so that you never suffer that trauma again. And then you weirdly end up kind of like inflicting something on another group of people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DSDave Smith
And kind of in a weird way, holding them responsible for the trauma you suffered even though they really, really had n- very little t-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, it's-
- DSDave Smith
... nothing to do with the actual trauma. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
It's really an ancient kind of conflict. The, the, the Israel-Palestine is very, it's very ancient in the fact that it's like, the hate between them is so strong and they're right next door to each other.
- DSDave Smith
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Which is how people used to rock it back in the day.
- DSDave Smith
Yup.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know what I mean? That's, that was the fear of neighboring tribes, that people from the other side were gonna come over and rape the women and children and kill your babies and, and slaughter the men. And-
- DSDave Smith
And not like an irrational fear, like a fear based on-
- JRJoe Rogan
It was real. Real.
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