Joe Rogan Experience #2173 - Jimmy Dore

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:01

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's Yom Kippur?

   3. JDJimmy Dore0:13

      His Zo- his Zionism. You know, if he didn't have that, he c- I think he could be president, but it's...

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      You mean RFK Jr.?

   5. JDJimmy Dore0:21

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Oh.

   7. JDJimmy Dore0:22

      I didn't, I didn't...

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      I was confused. I was like, "What?"

   9. JDJimmy Dore0:23

      I meant, I meant figuratively. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       I was like, "How does this have anything to do with the boycott of Starbucks and McDonald's and Sirhan Sirhan? Like, what?"

   11. JDJimmy Dore0:29

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       "Some rabbit hole shit I didn't know about? Is that possible?"

   13. JDJimmy Dore0:33

       You know, Sirhan Sirhan, uh, his house was in Pasadena, which was close to where I used to live.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:39

       Really?

   15. JDJimmy Dore0:39

       Yeah. I didn't... Uh, one day my wife was like, "Yeah, this Sirhan Sirhan lives over here." I'm like, "Get out of here." I didn't know.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       Have you ever read into the MKUltra connection between Sirhan Sirhan, Jack Ruby, and Jolly West?

   17. JDJimmy Dore0:51

       So, no, I haven't, but I am now I'm working with Kurt Metzger, and he knows all that shit.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:57

       (laughs) He knows. He knows too much.

   19. JDJimmy Dore0:59

       He know... I'm like, well, he could just go off.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       You ruined him. You've ruined him.

   21. JDJimmy Dore1:03

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       'Cause he didn't... I don't think he's aware of so many legitimate, actual conspiracies, meaning, like, where governments and corporations conspire against the American people, lie, twist facts to distort things. But Kurt is one of those guys that once he finds out something, that, you know, because he had, grew up in a cult, right?

   23. JDJimmy Dore1:21

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       So, he was in a Jehovah's Witness cult when he was young.

   25. JDJimmy Dore1:23

       Yeah. Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Sorry, Jehovah's Witnesses. But, and then becomes-

   27. JDJimmy Dore1:27

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       ... a comedian, and, you know, like, he's so averse to bullshit. He's like, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no." He goes like, "You fucking ruined my childhood. I know what this is. I've seen this before. I've seen this in another form."

   29. JDJimmy Dore1:39

       Mm-hmm.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       "I know what this is."
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Uh-huh. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      David Lucas, the stand-up comedian, he knows Kyle Rittenhouse.

   2. JDJimmy Dore15:03

      Uh-huh.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      He brought Kyle Rittenhouse to the mothership. And guys who were there, who met him, went, "What? The guys you shot were white?"

   4. JDJimmy Dore15:10

      Yeah. No, but-

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:11

      Like, everybody's like, "What?"

   6. JDJimmy Dore15:12

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      And then y- you have to tell them, not only were they white, like these guys were, like, career criminals.

   8. JDJimmy Dore15:17

      And cr- cr-

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:17

      One, one guy was a pedophile.

   10. JDJimmy Dore15:18

       Well, the one guy pulled a gun on them. (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:20

       Yeah.

   12. JDJimmy Dore15:21

       (laughs) Yeah. And-

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:21

       The, the m- the media just fucked that kid, and he won.

   14. JDJimmy Dore15:24

       And I'm-

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       And he won, and he got exonerated, and, uh, you know, now ...

   16. JDJimmy Dore15:28

       And pe- peop-

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:28

       Go ahead.

   18. JDJimmy Dore15:28

       You know, people say to me, they go, "Jimmy, why, why are you defending Kyle Rittenhouse?" I go, "I'm not defending Kyle Rittenhouse. I don't know Kyle Rittenhouse. Uh, I'm defending the truth."

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       Right.

   20. JDJimmy Dore15:35

       "And why aren't you pissed off that the corporate media lied about a 16-year-old kid to divide the country?" 'Cause that's what that was about.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:42

       Yeah. And you're just gonna polarize that kid even more. I mean, that kid's gonna lean so far right now.

   22. JDJimmy Dore15:47

       Yeah, of course. Of course.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:48

       Of course. They're the only people that stood by him, and everybody else lied about him. The media lied about him. And so many people had this ... So right, there's surface narratives, right? And surface narratives are the best ... They're, the media is the best at propagating surface narratives. They're best at headlines, even if they're misleading.

   24. JDJimmy Dore16:05

       Safe and effective.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       Yeah. The, but these, these surface narratives are the ones that get into people's heads that are the least informed. And that's the general population.

   26. JDJimmy Dore16:13

       People still think R- Russiagate's real.

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:15

       Oh, yeah.

   28. JDJimmy Dore16:15

       Look at b- people like Bill Maher.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Oh, yeah.

   30. JDJimmy Dore16:17

       That was shocking to me. I'm like, "Oh, I thought he just hated Trump."
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      the man behind the, the, the machine. So, that means there's a bunch of people that work for him that are essentially running the country.

   2. JDJimmy Dore30:05

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      And those people don't wanna lose their position, including his wife. His wife, apparently-

   4. JDJimmy Dore30:10

      Oh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:10

      ... by all takes, and she did an interview afterwards-

   6. JDJimmy Dore30:12

      She's so...

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      ... where she said, "He's smarter than he's ever been."

   8. JDJimmy Dore30:15

      Pure evil.

   9. JRJoe Rogan30:15

      "And I know him. I see him buying clothes." She doesn't want him to stop.

   10. JDJimmy Dore30:18

       Pure evil.

   11. JRJoe Rogan30:19

       What is that? What do you think-

   12. JDJimmy Dore30:20

       That's pure, that's just pure evil. I mean-

   13. JRJoe Rogan30:21

       But do you think it's just, like, a power thing? She's in power, she doesn't wanna not be the First Lady anymore. Like, what is it?

   14. JDJimmy Dore30:26

       Yeah. Uh, of course, I think, that's what I think it is. Well, how could you not have compassion for your own frickin' husband? I mean, Jesus Christ. I mean, uh, he, they, he should've had his keys taken away years ago.

   15. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       Yeah.

   16. JDJimmy Dore30:38

       And here she is trying to, "You did a good job. You answered all the questions."

   17. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       That was crazy.

   18. JDJimmy Dore30:43

       That's how you talk-

   19. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       That was crazy.

   20. JDJimmy Dore30:44

       ... to a three-year-old. "She went, he answered all the questions?" I could see her answering one or two, but all of them?

   21. JRJoe Rogan30:48

       If my wife talked to me like that, I would just start laughing-

   22. JDJimmy Dore30:50

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan30:50

       ... 'cause I'd think, "Oh, she's fucking with me." I wouldn't just stand there and like-

   24. JDJimmy Dore30:53

       Yeah, but you would be saying-

   25. JRJoe Rogan30:54

       ... "Yes, I did." It's a wild video.

   26. JDJimmy Dore30:57

       It-

   27. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       Play that video. Play what? That video of Jill saying that to Joe 'cause it's, I saved it.

   28. JDJimmy Dore31:01

       And by the way, I listened to the debate again on the plane. Uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan31:04

       Why?

   30. JDJimmy Dore31:04

       Uh-
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yes. …

   1. JDJimmy Dore45:00

      stop ... You get locked into that level of maturity that you're at-

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      Yes.

   3. JDJimmy Dore45:03

      ... until your addiction ends.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:04

      Yes, and then you start growing, but now you're growing in a confused state.

   5. JDJimmy Dore45:08

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      And you've also got this anxiety that's s- sometimes crippling because y- you wasted a giant chunk of your life and not made any progress, and here you are a beginner at 35 years old. And you're out here in the world trying to, like, get a regular job at 35, and nobody wants to hire you because you've been in 15 rehabilitation centers, and you, you know, got locked up for stealing hubcaps and catalytic converters or whatever. It's like, the, the thing that it does to you is it, it separates you from normal reality, and that could be a positive or a negative. If you have discipline and control, and you're present, and you really spend a lot of time thinking alone by yourself and meditating, you can use things to alter your state of consciousness to achieve new thoughts. You, you tap into new ideas.

   7. JDJimmy Dore45:54

      Pot. Pot helped me a lot-

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:55

      Yeah.

   9. JDJimmy Dore45:55

      ... comedically. It helped me-

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Yeah. It's, it's comedy steroids.

   11. JDJimmy Dore45:59

       Yeah, it, it was a big d- it was a big deal for me. Uh, it, it took me from being ... I was a very narrow and rigid comedian, and then it o- opened me up, and it made me a much better comedian is all I can say. And it worked for a long time, and, uh, it didn't, like, take away my discipline. Like, I still had lots of discipline comedically, and then doing my, when I started my podcast in 2008 or '09, and then my radio show, and then th- so I, it never ... I was always-

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       Yeah, you're a OG. 2008 or '09?

   13. JDJimmy Dore46:28

       Yeah, yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       You were up there with me then. We were, like, at the same time.

   15. JDJimmy Dore46:31

       Yep.

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Wow.

   17. JDJimmy Dore46:31

       I, I started, um, with Todd Glass.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       Oh.

   19. JDJimmy Dore46:34

       I started a, a show called Comedy and Everything Else, and we would interview comedians, and then, um, I did like 152 episodes of that, and I just got tired of it. I was, it, and then I started doing The Jimmy Dore Show 'cause I got a radio show on KPFK in Los Angeles, which is a public radio show, so it was all politics and comedy, you know? And so I just sh- shifted over to that, and, um, it was g- it was a pretty popular po- it still is, but pop- I mean, it would get like 50 to 60,000 downloads per episode, but it never sold tickets. It's the weirdest thing.

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:06

       Mm.

   21. JDJimmy Dore47:06

       And, um, but when I went on YouTube, that was immediately, I started selling tickets, immediately, immediately. Now, a- and it, that's, you know, as you know, that changes your whole life.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       Yeah, the YouTube thing's, uh, that's a different world. Everybody has it. It's, it's on every phone. It's on everybody's ev- ev- if you have Apple TV, people ... I, I watch YouTube more than I watch Netflix.

   23. JDJimmy Dore47:26

       Oh, no doubt. Oh, no doubt.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:28

       Yeah.

   25. JDJimmy Dore47:28

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:28

       Because if I watch Netflix, it's like, I wanna watch Peaky Blinders. I sit down, I watch it. You know, but if YouTube's like, "Let me just fuck around, see what's going on in the world of ancient archeology."

   27. JDJimmy Dore47:38

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:38

       "Let me watch a professional pool match."

   29. JDJimmy Dore47:40

       That's amazing.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:40

       "Let me see this new muscle car build," I get lost for hours. If my, if I wanna zone out, if I'm exhausted, and I just wanna zone out, I've did everything that I have to do, I just wanna just chill, YouTube. I go right to YouTube.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:06:12

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JDJimmy Dore1:00:00

      through my dreams and my dream analysis. And then I, then I also see it when you see synchronicities that Carl Jung talked about synchronicities, um, which are coincidences that have meaning. They're not just coincidences, right? So, and, you know, as- you- you ... And once you start to look for them, you see ... You know, it's like when you buy a new car, you see that car everywhere. It's like once you start to look for synchronicities, they start to happen. So then it's like I'm constantly in, um, communication with God. That's how I feel-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:31

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JDJimmy Dore1:00:31

      That's how I ... For lack of a better word, that's how I feel about it, right? And so everything hap- that happens in my dreams and in my waking life comes from the same consciousness. Carl Jung said that the future, uh, can be set up-... is set up by your unconscious long in advance, which is why it can be guessed at by clairvoyance. So, anyway, so this book, The Red Book, that he wrote down his experiences of- of those four years, where he could give himself like a mushroom trip and ... He, uh, it finally got published in 2010. And I'm not even able to read it. I- like, I just look at it and it's just like super confusing and it's- looks like crazy talk. So, I- what I do is I read books that he wro- wrote up, uh, but- uh, try- you know, after he had that experience. And I read books by other Jungian scholars explaining shit, 'cause it's- he's dense, man. I- it's- uh, very- he puts a lot of info in a little bit of ... Like, it took me a week just to- I was reading a- a book called The- The Mysterium Conunctio that he wrote, and it took me like a week just- just the f- opening paragraph, just to keep going over like, "What the fuck?" And-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

      Yeah, I tried reading his book on flying saucers.

   5. JDJimmy Dore1:01:35

      Oh, really?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:35

      Yeah. What is, uh, Carl Jung's book on flying saucers called? But he had this concept about flying saucers. He thinks they're- they're constructs of the mind, uh, but not necessarily that they're not real. It's a very strange ... Flying saucer, that's- is it- no, it's a modern myth. If you go to the back, like- go back to where you- a- a modern myth of things see- seen in the sky.

   7. JDJimmy Dore1:01:58

      Oh, really?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:59

      Yeah.

   9. JDJimmy Dore1:01:59

      I've heard about this book.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

       So, see if you could find, um, just a synopsis. What did- just write, "What did Carl Jung believe about UFOs?" See, does it say here? Okay.

   11. JDJimmy Dore1:02:10

       What does it say?

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:02:10

       What does it say? "In the late '50s, at the height of the popular fascination with UFOs and flying saucers, is the great psychologist's brilliant, prescient meditation on the phenomenon that gripped the world. A self-confessed skeptic in such matters, Jung was nevertheless intrigued not so much by their reality or unreality, but by their psychic aspect. He saw flying saucers as a modern myth in the making to be passed down the generations, just as we have received such myths from our ancestors. In this wonderful and enlightening book, Jung sees UFOs as visionary rumors, the center of a quasi-religious cult, and carriers of our technological and salvationist fantasies. 40 years later, with entire religions based on the writings of science fiction authors, it is remarkable to see just how right he has proven to be- has proved to be."

   13. JDJimmy Dore1:02:57

       Wow.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:58

       Yeah.

   15. JDJimmy Dore1:02:58

       I'll have to read that book.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:59

       Yeah.

   17. JDJimmy Dore1:03:00

       I think the people- the best book to start with Carl Jung is Memori- Memories, Dreams, Reflections, which is his biography, and he wrote.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JDJimmy Dore1:03:07

       Um, and that- that- he- he- T- you know, he lets you in on a little ... Because he was- he was- m- more than a psychologist. He was a mystic.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:03:16

       Right.

   21. JDJimmy Dore1:03:17

       And, um, it- it- it's- it's made all the difference in my life. And I was- I was- you know, I considered myself a- a Sam Harris atheist, I used to call myself, you know? 'Cause- and that was mostly a reaction to me being brought up Catholic. And so, I was rejecting religion and- an- but at the same time, I was also rejecting spirituality. And I didn't realize it. But now, because of this experience, I realize, oh, no, the- that- you know, it's just terminology. God is real. Uh, there is the- you know, your ego doesn't control things. Your ego needs- once you can make your ego s- uh, subservient to the transpersonal self and your unconscious, uh, that's the key to life, th- realizing that you're just ... And the way- the way I d- describe it to people is that, you know, we're all part of consciousness. Consciousness is an ocean and then there's a huge wa- the part of the consciousness we see is a- is a- is the wave, right? And all I can do is surf that wave. I can't create that wave, I can't control it, I can't ... All I can do is try to surf it as best I can. And by making yourself, um, you know, subserv- your ego subservient to- and keeping your eye on the transpersonal center, which is what Carl Jung talks about, that's kind of the key. It's very- i- i- unless you experience it, it's hard to understand. It's even f- hard for me to explain it. Um ...

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:39

       Yeah, but it does make sense.

   23. JDJimmy Dore1:04:40

       It's like trying to explain a DMT trip, I'm guessing. I've never done DMT, but ...

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:04:43

       It does make sense that a person like that, that is trying to understand how the human mind works would have to take into account all sorts of bizarre things, like UFO sightings, psychic experiences, dream states, endogenous psychedelic experiences through ... Like, there's a bunch of different ways you can r- reliably achieve psychedelic states without any drugs. One of them that I've done recently, even, is holotropic breathing. And if you do holotropic breathing, you have what's like- almost like a mushroom trip.

   25. JDJimmy Dore1:05:16

       What is that?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:05:17

       It's- i- google holotropic breathing so you can get a- I- I don't butcher the definition of it, but I also- a lot of people do, uh, breathing exercises in sensory deprivation tanks, which provides very vivid psychedelic experiences with no drugs at all. So, this is-

   27. JDJimmy Dore1:05:34

       I did f- I did my first breathing exercise ever this morning.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:05:37

       Um, this is just talking about the s- the study of it. W- there's a way to do ... Maybe I said the wrong word. So, psychic- b- breathing to induce psychedelic states. Just write- just write, "breathing to induce psychedelic states." I might've used the wrong word. All right, here we go. "Breathing their way to an altered state."

   29. JDJimmy Dore1:06:04

       Oh.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:05

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:43:21