Joe Rogan Experience #2173 - Jimmy Dore

1. 0:01 – 0:33

   Cold open: RFK Jr., Zionism, and a comedic detour into conspiracies

   1. NANarrator0:01

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) What's Yom Kippur?

   3. JDJimmy Dore0:13

      His Zo- his Zionism. You know, if he didn't have that, he c- I think he could be president, but it's...

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:20

      You mean RFK Jr.?

   5. JDJimmy Dore0:21

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      Oh.

   7. JDJimmy Dore0:22

      I didn't, I didn't...

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      I was confused. I was like, "What?"

   9. JDJimmy Dore0:23

      I meant, I meant figuratively. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:24

       I was like, "How does this have anything to do with the boycott of Starbucks and McDonald's and Sirhan Sirhan? Like, what?"

   11. JDJimmy Dore0:29

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:30

       "Some rabbit hole shit I didn't know about? Is that possible?"

2. 0:33 – 2:28

   Sirhan Sirhan, MKUltra threads, and the shadow of Jolly West

   1. JDJimmy Dore0:33

      You know, Sirhan Sirhan, uh, his house was in Pasadena, which was close to where I used to live.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:39

      Really?

   3. JDJimmy Dore0:39

      Yeah. I didn't... Uh, one day my wife was like, "Yeah, this Sirhan Sirhan lives over here." I'm like, "Get out of here." I didn't know.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:44

      Have you ever read into the MKUltra connection between Sirhan Sirhan, Jack Ruby, and Jolly West?

   5. JDJimmy Dore0:51

      So, no, I haven't, but I am now I'm working with Kurt Metzger, and he knows all that shit.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:57

      (laughs) He knows. He knows too much.

   7. JDJimmy Dore0:59

      He know... I'm like, well, he could just go off.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00

      You ruined him. You've ruined him.

   9. JDJimmy Dore1:03

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       'Cause he didn't... I don't think he's aware of so many legitimate, actual conspiracies, meaning, like, where governments and corporations conspire against the American people, lie, twist facts to distort things. But Kurt is one of those guys that once he finds out something, that, you know, because he had, grew up in a cult, right?

   11. JDJimmy Dore1:21

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:21

       So, he was in a Jehovah's Witness cult when he was young.

   13. JDJimmy Dore1:23

       Yeah. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       Sorry, Jehovah's Witnesses. But, and then becomes-

   15. JDJimmy Dore1:27

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       ... a comedian, and, you know, like, he's so averse to bullshit. He's like, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no." He goes like, "You fucking ruined my childhood. I know what this is. I've seen this before. I've seen this in another form."

   17. JDJimmy Dore1:39

       Mm-hmm.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:39

       "I know what this is."

   19. JDJimmy Dore1:40

       Yeah, that's, that's his, like, superpower-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:42

       Yeah.

   21. JDJimmy Dore1:42

       ... because he's been through it.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:43

       You ruined him.

   23. JDJimmy Dore1:44

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       His show, you ruined him. He's so- he's so crazy now.

   25. JDJimmy Dore1:49

       He gets so upset.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:49

       Oh, he's so mad now.

   27. JDJimmy Dore1:50

       He's, you see him get upset on the show. He ge- gets legit angry.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:53

       Here it is, other controversial cases West was assigned to, including evaluating Sirhan Sirhan, who assassinated Robert F. Kennedy, uh, Jun- uh, excuse me, at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles June 5th, 1968. West claimed Sirhan was a subject of psychic driving, a mind-altering technique involving hypnosis or paralytic drugs. Psychiatrists often use barbiturates for this. Sh- settle the fuck down. You used acid.

   29. JDJimmy Dore2:18

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       Stop lying. What is this? "Oh, maybe possibly barbiturates or something legal." No. They were using acid.
3. 2:28 – 5:22

   ‘Chaos,’ Manson as a CIA narrative, and the crackdown on psychedelics

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:28

      He was the guy that they- yeah, that they chronicle extensively in Thomas O'Neill's book, Chaos, about the Manson case.

   2. JDJimmy Dore2:34

      Oh, so, yeah. M- my wife is reading that right now.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:37

      Goddeam, that's a good book.

   4. JDJimmy Dore2:38

      And she has it on audiobook, so I walk through the house and I'll hear like, "What the f-" (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan2:42

      You know how crazy that book is? Tom s- was, uh, Greg Fitzsimmons' roommate in New York, and then also, uh, not roommate, excuse me, neighbor. He was his neighbor in New York, and then also his neighbor in Venice, California. Like, he moved, like, so they were, like, near each other. For 20 years this guy's been working on this. He started working on it as an article, right? So, he writes it as an article, but then once he starts getting into the information, it's so extensive, it's so crazy that he can't finish the article, 'cause the article is just an anniversary of the Manson assassinations, the Manson killings. So then, 20 years later he finally puts out this book, and he's got enough information for another fucking book, and it's wild. It's all a CIA plot. The Manson family was all... Manson was visited in prison by Jolly West. They trained him, allegedly, in hypnosis techniques using LSD, how to m- mind control people. He would not do the acid, but he would give the acid to the people, which is something also that apparently the MKUltra people trained him, and he would get them to commit evil acts. And the whole thing was to discredit the antiwar movement. That's the whole thing was the hippies. They-

   6. JDJimmy Dore3:57

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:58

      Yeah. So they turned hippies-

   8. JDJimmy Dore3:59

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:00

      ... into something fucking terrifying. So, hippies used to be like, "Oh, she's a flower child."

   10. JDJimmy Dore4:05

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       "Oh, they're peace and love." You know, cute, nice stuff. But then they turned hippies into fucking psychotic murderers who cut babies out of movie stars' bellies and paint on the wall, "Pig," you know, like that kind of shit.

   12. JDJimmy Dore4:19

       Oh, yeah. Kurt w- Yeah, Kurt was, uh, also telling me about that. Like, that's the perfect way to discredit the antiwar movement.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       Yes. Well, that's also why-

   14. JDJimmy Dore4:27

       And then-

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:27

       ... the Psychedelics Act of 1970 was passed.

   16. JDJimmy Dore4:29

       Oh, really?

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:30

       Yes. The Psychedelic Act of 1970 was passed to go after the Black Panthers and to go after the civil rights leaders and to go after the antiwar movement, 'cause those people were all taking drugs. So, they're eating mushrooms and trying to come to, like, some sort of an understanding of our place in the universe, and they said, "Okay, we're gonna take all of these psychedelic compounds that are literally creating a cultural revolution." So, you, you, you go from the 1950s. You, you get... I always equ- I wanna say music is, like, the best representation of that, and comedy as well, but really music. If you look at, like, Buddy Holly, great music, great stuff. And then Jimi Hendrix is 10 years later. What the fuck is that?

   18. JDJimmy Dore5:11

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:11

       What is, that's like a revolution. Like, outta nowhere something is insanely different. Like, it's not even from this earth.

   20. JDJimmy Dore5:19

       Right. Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:19

       Not even from this earth.

   22. JDJimmy Dore5:20

       It, it was a-

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       That's all psychedelics.

4. 5:22 – 8:36

   Music as a cultural marker: psychedelics, the ’80s, and Prince/Morris Day nostalgia

   1. JDJimmy Dore5:22

      And we've never had a leap like that since.

   2. JRJoe Rogan5:24

      Nope.

   3. JDJimmy Dore5:24

      Isn't that weird? Like, you can listen to music from the '80s and a lot of it sounds like it could be made today, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan5:30

      It's coke music. The '80s they were all doing coke.

   5. JDJimmy Dore5:32

      Oh.

   6. JRJoe Rogan5:32

      They were watching Miami Vice.

   7. JDJimmy Dore5:33

      But, like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan5:34

      They were doing coke and wearing no socks with loafers.

   9. JDJimmy Dore5:37

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan5:38

       (laughs)

   11. JDJimmy Dore5:38

       But remember, uh, I mean, pr- uh, whenever I hear a Prince song-

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:41

       Yes.

   13. JDJimmy Dore5:42

       ... I'm like, "Oh, that could be made today. That could've been from right now."

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:44

       Yeah, well Prince was the most versatile, right? 'Cause he could do anything. Like, if you go to h- his early stuff, it was like this real sweet music about fucking.

   15. JDJimmy Dore5:54

       (laughs) Yes.

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:54

       You know?

   17. JDJimmy Dore5:54

       Yes, yes. He was all about fucking.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       Like, Head, have you ever heard that song Head?

   19. JDJimmy Dore5:57

       Yeah. Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:57

       Like, from his first al- or was I thinking his second album? God, he was good. He was so good.

   21. JDJimmy Dore6:02

       I love that he had that, there was that band, um-... M- of Morris Day and The Time?

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:06

       Yes.

   23. JDJimmy Dore6:07

       I like them almost more than Prince. I just like them.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:10

       Oh, he's got this one song that's on our... I think it's on the playlist. I hope it's on the playlist. It's called... If it's not, I'm gonna put it on there right now. It's called Cool 'Cause I'm Cool.

   25. JDJimmy Dore6:19

       Yeah, that's right.

   26. JRJoe Rogan6:20

       << Cool. << Doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. >>

   27. JDJimmy Dore6:21

       << Am I down in San Francisco? >>

   28. JRJoe Rogan6:23

       (laughs)

   29. JDJimmy Dore6:24

       << Da, da, da, dam. Dance all night in Rome. >> That's it, yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan6:27

       Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, Morris Day was the shit.
5. 8:36 – 12:06

   ‘These are the best days’: public awakening, Biden moments, and comedy crowd reactions

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:36

      By far for everybody, because we get all the other stuff from those other eras. We still can listen to that too. We can still watch that too. But we, we have a bizarre time where the world is waking up, where people are so much more aware of the corruption and the, the, the... just the way the world works is more... it's more highlighted than it's ever been before, and I think it's more fun. It's, it's like some of the things that are stupid are so stupid. Like, when you see Biden, "We beat Medicare."

   2. JDJimmy Dore9:08

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:08

      And they go... (laughs) "Thank you, Mr. President." And they smash cut.

   4. JDJimmy Dore9:11

      They think the hell out of it. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:11

      Like, how the fuck is that real? How is that real? The guy, like, locks up, like, Windows 95-

   6. JDJimmy Dore9:17

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:17

      ... stammers for 15 seconds and then he says, "We, we beat Medicare."

   8. JDJimmy Dore9:22

      I was doing a show the other night at the hotel cafe in Hollywood and, um, I do a joke about Joe Biden, you know, like, uh, why don't they get a dog to lead him off stage, you know? And, uh, and the people in the crowd, like, they're all, like, 20-something Hollywood people and they're like... and they go, "Aw."

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:37

      (laughs)

   10. JDJimmy Dore9:39

       And I, I couldn't... I was like, "What?" I go, "I have friends like you." I know what that... It's-

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:44

       Listen, they've done a good, good job.

   12. JDJimmy Dore9:45

       Uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:45

       They've done a really good job of pretending that they're compassionate.

   14. JDJimmy Dore9:48

       I love Joe Biden. I love... I've always loved Joe... No one's ever fucking loved Joe Biden.

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:53

       No.

   16. JDJimmy Dore9:53

       He's always been a, a joke and a punchline. And this idea that somehow it's Joe Biden's integrity and truth-telling against Donald Trump, "He lied, lied." The first time Joe Biden ran for president, he had to drop out because he got exposed for being a pathological liar. He said he graduated at the top of his class, he graduated at the bottom. He said he had three majors, he only had one. He said he was chosen the most outstanding political... No, it was all lies. And then he got caught plagiarizing. Someone else had not only dissed their speeches, but, like, their life story. He, like-

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:22

       Yeah.

   18. JDJimmy Dore10:23

       ... it was like, "Who does that?" And so he had to... They... He's been a joke, always was a joke. And this idea, uh, you know, uh, the reason why Black and brown... I had to, I had to, you know, em-... uh, tell this to Cornel West when he came on my show. "Hey, the reason why Black and brown people are locked up at way higher rates than their population is because of Joe Biden, not because of Donald Trump." Donald Trump actually did the step back, right? Which is probably why he's getting 20% of the Black vote right now. This, so this... All the, uh, um... All, all, all their... You right, all their narratives are, are falling away. People are waking up. And not only, uh, in America, but I, I do... Not to get... I do miss the time before cell phones and, uh, the internet. It was, it was like more of an innocent time. I do miss that time.

   19. JRJoe Rogan11:05

       I'm glad we went through it.

   20. JDJimmy Dore11:07

       Yeah, I mean, I'm gla- I'm, I'm also glad-

   21. JRJoe Rogan11:08

       But I don't miss it.

   22. JDJimmy Dore11:10

       Uh, okay. But, um...

   23. JRJoe Rogan11:13

       (laughs)

   24. JDJimmy Dore11:13

       But, um, w-... I- I was just in Europe, right? I went on a, uh, an 11-day tour or whatever and, um, I didn't know if I was gonna have... you know, anybody's gonna show up. They did and same... It's like the same shit. The people there, they're, they're upset at the media, they're upset at the control, they're upset at-

   25. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       Yeah.

   26. JDJimmy Dore11:31

       ... the censorship. And I didn't know, like Jeff Bezos, I was in, uh, Norway and they're like, "Yeah, Jeff Bezos owns the fricking media here too." I'm like, "What?" I didn't know. I had never thought about it like that. Of course they would.

   27. JRJoe Rogan11:41

       Of course.

   28. JDJimmy Dore11:41

       Of course. And so the... And everybody's going through the same shit. London, Sweden, Denmark, uh-

   29. JRJoe Rogan11:48

       Yeah.

   30. JDJimmy Dore11:48

       ... Norway, they're all fucking pissed off, like, like I am, and they're, like, all sick of being lied to and they're all ha-... they all hate their media and they all feel controlled. That's-
6. 12:06 – 16:13

   Media consolidation and the Rittenhouse case as a narrative template

   1. JDJimmy Dore12:06

      Well, there used to be f- uh, 50 giant media companies, so there used to be more...... truth that could get out. But now because of j- uh, Bill Clinton and the Telecommunications Act of 1996, we went from 50 giant media companies down to six, meaning that every TV show, every newspaper, every magazine, every radio show, every ... It's all comes from one of the six companies, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:27

      Yeah.

   3. JDJimmy Dore12:27

      And that's why journalism sucks so much right now, 'cause journalists used to come from blue-collar backgrounds like me. But now, they, uh, they know they all have to work for one of the six billionaire-owned companies.

   4. JRJoe Rogan12:38

      Right.

   5. JDJimmy Dore12:38

      And so the billionaires hand-pick those people from Ivy League schools now, and they're all gonna be class-loyal. And so that's why the whole thing is, you know, uh, uh, it's a great time. But also, we're pitted against each other now by the media like never before, right? Like, no matter what the story is, they have their minions in the press report it in a way that makes you hate your neighbor and blame your neighbor, and not the guys doing it, right? Like ...

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:03

      Yeah.

   7. JDJimmy Dore13:03

      Uh, that, so, so the oligarchy gets, keeps us fighting, uh, amongst each other. And that's real. That is, that's not made up. That's, uh ... I mean, look at how they lied about, um ... The biggest story, like, so the Kyle Rittenhouse story, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:16

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JDJimmy Dore13:16

      Now, I hated that kid 'cause, uh, the corporate media told me he was a white supremacist who didn't live in that community. He traveled across state lines with guns to shoot three Black people at a Black Lives Matter rally, and I hated him. And then I watched the trial, and it turns out he did live in that community. He was a w- uh, a lifeguard in that community. Uh, he was asked to protect a car dealership by immigrants of color 'cause the cops wouldn't. And, uh, he, he didn't travel across state lines with guns, and he didn't shoot three Black people. He shot three white people. And I was like, "Wha-"

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:47

       I think he only shot two guys.

   11. JDJimmy Dore13:48

       That, uh ... Maybe you're right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:51

       Wasn't it?

   13. JDJimmy Dore13:51

       Maybe, well he def-

   14. JRJoe Rogan13:52

       Did he sh-... He killed one.

   15. JDJimmy Dore13:53

       He definitely sh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan13:53

       Did he shoot three?

   17. JDJimmy Dore13:54

       And then he shot the other guy in-

   18. JRJoe Rogan13:55

       Through the arm.

   19. JDJimmy Dore13:56

       Through the arm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       Yeah.

   21. JDJimmy Dore13:57

       Uh, and they're all three criminals.

   22. JRJoe Rogan13:59

       Yeah.

   23. JDJimmy Dore13:59

       That, that's another part they leave out.

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:00

       Yeah.

   25. JDJimmy Dore14:00

       They're all three cr-

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:01

       They're three criminals, terrible people. This is the thing about, um, riots, right? Th- when riots are too much like a war, like, uh, any ki- anytime there's, uh, a gathering, protests, when people get angry and they're marching, I think that ignites in us the same feelings of war. And people start doing wild, crazy shit. They went after that dude with a skateboard and tried to hit him with a skateboard. He ran away from them before he shot him.

   27. JDJimmy Dore14:24

       He was f- ... So he shot the first guy who was the pedophile, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan14:27

       Yeah.

   29. JDJimmy Dore14:27

       And, and we know that g- that guy had threatened to-

   30. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       So he shot and killed two men, wounded another man.
7. 16:13 – 20:30

   Surface narratives, Russiagate, and comedians sparring with ‘informed ignorance’

   1. JDJimmy Dore16:13

      People still think R- Russiagate's real.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:15

      Oh, yeah.

   3. JDJimmy Dore16:15

      Look at b- people like Bill Maher.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:17

      Oh, yeah.

   5. JDJimmy Dore16:17

      That was shocking to me. I'm like, "Oh, I thought he just hated Trump."

   6. JRJoe Rogan16:21

      Right.

   7. JDJimmy Dore16:21

      But it's like-

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:21

      He doesn't even know what the WEF is all about.

   9. JDJimmy Dore16:23

      He didn't even ... Did you see Roseanne had to tell him?

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:25

       Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy.

   11. JDJimmy Dore16:26

       He's, he didn't even know what MKUltra was.

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       That's crazy.

   13. JDJimmy Dore16:28

       He does, like ...

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       That's crazy.

   15. JDJimmy Dore16:30

       And then he got the balls to tell Bill Burr, "This isn't your lane." It's not your lane either, Bill.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Yeah.

   17. JDJimmy Dore16:34

       You don't know fucking anything.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:35

       Bro, Bill chewed him up. That was wild.

   19. JDJimmy Dore16:37

       (laughs) That was hilarious. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       You can't, you can't go tete-a-tete like that with Bill.

   21. JDJimmy Dore16:41

       Bill-

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:41

       'Cause he does that to himself all day.

   23. JDJimmy Dore16:43

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:43

       All day, he's like, battling out in his own mind, having arguments. "Well, look at you, fucking Bill."

   25. JDJimmy Dore16:49

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:49

       "Look at you. Your fucking stupid sneaker's on, you're 55 years old."

   27. JDJimmy Dore16:53

       (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       "Dressing like a teenager. What the fuck are you doing?"

   29. JDJimmy Dore16:55

       (laughs) "What'd you ever do? Why should people listen to you?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:57

       Yeah.
8. 20:30 – 27:19

   Debate-watch meltdown: Scarborough clips, elite panic, and ‘ideological cult’ behavior

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:30

      The Hollywood Hills debate watch party with Rob Reiner (laughs) and Jane Fonda ended in shouts and tears. (laughs)

   2. JDJimmy Dore20:36

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:36

      That should've been, "Fuck Keeping Up with the Kardashians."

   4. JDJimmy Dore20:38

      Yeah. That-

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:39

      That should be the fucking ... the r- the real-

   6. JDJimmy Dore20:42

      And that's what you get.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:42

      ... reality show.

   8. JDJimmy Dore20:42

      And I say good for you. That's what you get for fucking lying. They- they've all lied. You know, the ... you know, I think the media took just as big a hit as Joe Biden did that night.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:50

      Yes.

   10. JDJimmy Dore20:50

       Because now, I mean, just a few weeks ago, there's that Joe Scarborough, that mental case, on, uh, Morning Joe on MSNBC.

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:56

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JDJimmy Dore20:56

       And he was saying, "Let me tell you something, and if you don't believe it, F you." He says this on Six in the Morning.

   13. JRJoe Rogan21:01

       Yeah.

   14. JDJimmy Dore21:01

       This is what he's telling his audience, "F you. This is the best version of Joe Biden I've ever seen, e- ... "

   15. JRJoe Rogan21:07

       (laughs)

   16. JDJimmy Dore21:07

       You saw that c- clip, right?

   17. JRJoe Rogan21:08

       Yes. Yeah.

   18. JDJimmy Dore21:08

       "This is the best ver- ... " And then, like, and then ap-

   19. JRJoe Rogan21:10

       Let's play it. Let's play it-

   20. JDJimmy Dore21:11

       Let-

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:11

       ... 'cause it's amazing.

   22. JDJimmy Dore21:12

       It's ... it is amazing.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:13

       Wasn't he a Republican-

   24. JDJimmy Dore21:14

       It's like ... And they sa-

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:14

       ... at one point in time?

   26. JDJimmy Dore21:15

       And they ... yes. And they say that Trump is the liar. It's like they are, right now, in the middle of telling the biggest lie, uh, that's ever been told in poli- ... this is bigger than FDR can walk.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:24

       Listen, dude.

   28. JDJimmy Dore21:25

       This is bigger than that.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:26

       Hampton real estate is not cheap.

   30. JDJimmy Dore21:29

       (laughs)
9. 27:19 – 35:11

   Was Biden sabotaged? Early debate timing, delegate control, and blocking RFK Jr.

   1. JDJimmy Dore27:19

      So they've never done d- presidential debates this early in the election season before.

   2. JRJoe Rogan27:24

      Right. Right.

   3. JDJimmy Dore27:24

      Right? And so my theory is that his, his own team sabotaged him. They knew this, so they wanted to get Joe Biden through the primary because now all the delegates are beholden to Joe Biden, means they're beholden to the Democratic Party donor class, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan27:38

      Yes.

   5. JDJimmy Dore27:39

      So there's no, there isn't no 50% Bernie Sander delegates out there, right? They don't got, they're not gonna have any trouble getting them to all coalesce at the convention and pick a new person. So they wanted to get Joe Biden to go through. And then as soon as he got through the thing, they're like, "Oh, let's have a debate." And then they knew he would look like this, so then they can have enough time to get rid of him. That's wha- that seems pretty plausible that that's what's gonna happen. And guess what's gonna happen now? So they're gonna have a person at the top of the ticket who nobody voted for because they're gonna choose them at the convention, and nobody voted for this person, and they're saying democracy is on the ballot. (laughs) That's the irony. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan28:16

      (laughs) Isn't that wild?

   7. JDJimmy Dore28:18

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan28:18

      Well, not only that, but what did they do to keep RFK Jr. out of the primaries to the point where he had to go independent?

   9. JDJimmy Dore28:25

      So yeah, they were making it impossible for him to get on ballots. They were t- they were, they were, they were c-

   10. JRJoe Rogan28:31

       How, how did they do that?

   11. JDJimmy Dore28:32

       You know what? Uh, I, I had... Uh, he told me, but I can't remem- but they were making it... Well, when I remember the first time I had him on my show, I was, I was, it was like a joke. I'm like, "Dude, you're running as a Democrat." I go, "Do y- why do you think they have superdelegates? They have superdelegates for people like you. It's not gonna happen."

   12. JRJoe Rogan28:48

       Right.

   13. JDJimmy Dore28:48

       "I can't get excited about your candidacy." And so what, anything he said, I was, I just didn't get into it, right? I was appreciative of the stuff he was saying around COVID and things like that, but at, it was just a j- I told him, "It's a fool's errand." Right? And he's like, "Oh, I'm a Democrat. I've always been a Democrat. I'm a Democrat." And I'm like, "Yeah, the Democrats are gonna screw you." And they did. And so I don't know exactly how, but it got so untenable that he couldn't run inside the... Because they would have these different rules that they were just making up just to screw him. So then he-

   14. JRJoe Rogan29:16

       Now, do they do this once there's an incumbent, right? Once there's a president in place, do they do this because there's so many jobs that are completely dependent upon that guy being in office? Not just the Democratic Party, but that guy. So if a new guy comes in, like if RFK Jr. comes in, if he wins, then everyone's out of a job.

   15. JDJimmy Dore29:34

       Oh, yeah. Well, uh-

   16. JRJoe Rogan29:36

       The whole machine's out of a job. So w- we're, it's very clear watching Joe Biden talk, very clear, that he's not making all his decisions.

   17. JDJimmy Dore29:44

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan29:44

       And that someone writes his stuff down. We've seen the cue cards that he has. They tell him what to say. We see him read teleprompters and say, "End of quote." You know, he says things like that.

   19. JDJimmy Dore29:53

       He, he did it again. (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:53

       He just did it again. He says-

   21. JDJimmy Dore29:54

       He did it again. (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:55

       He does it all the time.... so we know that there's no fucking way he's the, the man behind the, the, the machine. So, that means there's a bunch of people that work for him that are essentially running the country.

   23. JDJimmy Dore30:05

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:05

       And those people don't wanna lose their position, including his wife. His wife, apparently-

   25. JDJimmy Dore30:10

       Oh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:10

       ... by all takes, and she did an interview afterwards-

   27. JDJimmy Dore30:12

       She's so...

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:13

       ... where she said, "He's smarter than he's ever been."

   29. JDJimmy Dore30:15

       Pure evil.

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:15

       "And I know him. I see him buying clothes." She doesn't want him to stop.
10. 35:11 – 42:41

    CARES Act windfall, PPP scams, and ‘democracy vs oligarchy’ arguments

    1. JRJoe Rogan35:11

       Explain the CARES Act to people.

    2. JDJimmy Dore35:12

       So, that was when, right when COVID hit and they passed that $5 trillion, uh, bi- bill. $5 trillion just outta nowhere. They didn't go, they didn't go tax people for it. They just fucking printed it. $5 trillion and that was considered the largest upward trend. So, that's, remember, and none of the m- there was no money in there for, to, for pay people's salaries. Remember? Like, that's what other countries did.

    3. JRJoe Rogan35:34

       Right. Where did the $5 trillion go towards?

    4. JDJimmy Dore35:35

       Uh, it went towards the 1,000 richest motherfuckers in the country basically. That's what it, you know. That's where you got the, uh, you could, if you had a business, you could apply for a p- what is that? Some kind of-

    5. JRJoe Rogan35:43

       PPE.

    6. JDJimmy Dore35:44

       ... PPE loan?

    7. JRJoe Rogan35:44

       Yeah.

    8. JDJimmy Dore35:45

       And stuff like that. And-

    9. JRJoe Rogan35:46

       A lot of people scammed those loans.

    10. JDJimmy Dore35:47

        A lot of people.

    11. JRJoe Rogan35:48

        I've seen so many arrests of people who bought-

    12. JDJimmy Dore35:49

        I got one of them.

    13. JRJoe Rogan35:49

        ... Lamborghinis and shit. You got one of those loans?

    14. JDJimmy Dore35:51

        I was like, fuck, everybody else is getting one. I better get one.

    15. JRJoe Rogan35:54

        Wow.

    16. JDJimmy Dore35:55

        And, uh, I was like, I, I, I told my-

    17. JRJoe Rogan35:57

        To pay your staff and everything like that?

    18. JDJimmy Dore35:58

        I told ... Yeah. I told my wife. I go, "I don't ... What? I, we don't know what's gonna happen." So, I said, "Hey, apply. See what happens." They gave it, they gave it to us. I was like, "What?"... I couldn't fucking believe it.

    19. JRJoe Rogan36:09

        So, you have to pay it back? Is that what it is?

    20. JDJimmy Dore36:11

        No.

    21. JRJoe Rogan36:11

        It's just free money?

    22. JDJimmy Dore36:12

        No. If you don't, if you don't lay off anybody, like for a certain amount of time, then you get to keep it. But if you did-

    23. JRJoe Rogan36:19

        What?

    24. JDJimmy Dore36:19

        Yes, but-

    25. JRJoe Rogan36:19

        You just get free money?

    26. JDJimmy Dore36:20

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan36:21

        Whoa.

    28. JDJimmy Dore36:22

        Yes.

    29. JRJoe Rogan36:22

        That's crazy.

    30. JDJimmy Dore36:23

        Everybody got f- ... It was $5 trillion they gave out, Joe. Yeah.
11. 42:41 – 48:25

    Quitting weed, cigars, and how altered states can help—or stunt—growth

    1. JDJimmy Dore42:41

       We overextend ourselves militarily, which is, brings me to, uh ... Wait, what is that you're smoking?

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:47

       It's a cigar.

    3. JDJimmy Dore42:48

       Oh, really?

    4. JRJoe Rogan42:48

       When I don't want a full cigar, I smoke one of these little tiny Montecristos.

    5. JDJimmy Dore42:52

       Oh.

    6. JRJoe Rogan42:52

       It's a little baby cigar.

    7. JDJimmy Dore42:53

       Okay.

    8. JRJoe Rogan42:53

       You want a cigar?

    9. JDJimmy Dore42:54

       No.

    10. JRJoe Rogan42:54

        I'll smoke a real one with you.

    11. JDJimmy Dore42:55

        No, I did that once, and it made, 'cause I used to smoke cigarettes. And I'm like, "Oh, I can sm-" Everybody started smoking cigars at one time when I moved, first moved to Los Angeles. So I was like, "Oh, I could smoke cigars." These are-

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:05

        These are nice ones, 'cause-

    13. JDJimmy Dore43:07

        But it mak-

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:07

        Ron White turned me on to these.

    15. JDJimmy Dore43:08

        It woke up the beast, and I started-

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:09

        Oh.

    17. JDJimmy Dore43:09

        ... smoking cigarettes again.

    18. JRJoe Rogan43:11

        Yeah, the beast.

    19. JDJimmy Dore43:11

        Yeah, it's no good. So I can't do it. I even quit smoking pot recently in, last, last-

    20. JRJoe Rogan43:15

        I heard.

    21. JDJimmy Dore43:15

        ... September.

    22. JRJoe Rogan43:16

        I heard.

    23. JDJimmy Dore43:16

        You did?

    24. JRJoe Rogan43:17

        Yeah, I watched that video.

    25. JDJimmy Dore43:18

        It makes people-

    26. JRJoe Rogan43:19

        I thought it was really interesting.

    27. JDJimmy Dore43:19

        Oh. It makes people sad when I say it on stage.

    28. JRJoe Rogan43:21

        Oh, that's silly. That's silly.

    29. JDJimmy Dore43:23

        People go, "Oh." It makes them upset. And I'm like, you know, it, it, it really woke me up to a lot of things. I don't know. I don't even... People go, "Why? Why'd you quit?" I don't even know why I quit. Like, I feel like it was, uh ... I think it came from a higher power.

    30. JRJoe Rogan43:38

        Yeah, y- I know you were saying that too. I'm gonna get a cigar (clears throat) while we're talking.
12. 48:25 – 1:04:43

    Jung, dream analysis, archetypes, and spirituality replacing atheism

    1. JRJoe Rogan48:25

       So, you were saying, before I interrupted you, that y- you think that it was a higher calling, that like, quitting- quitting pot.

    2. JDJimmy Dore48:33

       So I started, um, in- in- when COVID happened, I started, uh, getting into Carl Jung and my unconscious and analyzing my dreams, and then I realized that the, um, (smacks lips) that there is what Carl Jung calls God is a transpersonal self. And, um, and he's the one who kind of figured out we have a collective unconscious, that we're all c- so there only is one conscious. I mean, you've done DMT and all shit, so you get all that.

    3. JRJoe Rogan49:01

       Wow.

    4. JDJimmy Dore49:01

       But he- he was able to give himself like, a mushroom trip when he was conscious without taking mushrooms, right? And he would call it active imagination. So, he could go into his unconscious and confront all these things that- like archetypes and God, eh, that lives in your unconscious, and he had to have a person that was there to make sure he didn't go crazy. And, um, so he did this for like, four years, from like, 1913 to 1917, and he wrote it down in a thing called The Red Book, which he would not allow to be published for 50 years after he died.

    5. JRJoe Rogan49:36

       Whoa.

    6. JDJimmy Dore49:36

       Because he knew if people read it, it would discredit his work in psychology, because it sounds crazy, all this shit. It's like- it's like he had mushroom trips and he would write it down, right? But it was real. And so what he did- so f- f- during those four years, he then spent the rest of his life trying to explain to people what he had learned in those four years, uh, in a- on- in ways that they could understand it. And so that's what the rest of his life was about. And, um, they asked him, I remember they asked him, um, "Do you- do you believe in God?" He says, "I don't believe in God, I know." And I was like, man, that's badass-

    7. JRJoe Rogan50:12

       Whoa.

    8. JDJimmy Dore50:12

       ... when you can say shit like that. And so anyway, but I started to get into this, and so he figured out, uh, that there was- we have a collective unconscious because he would see these symbols in his dreams, and he knew that they were like, meaningful, but he didn't know what they meant. And then, he started to study alchemy, which alchemy isn't what you think it is. Alchemy was about turning a psychological lead into psychological gold, and they were onto a lot of shit and they had to keep it secret 'cause of the church, I guess, and so they had to speak in code kind of. And so he started to read alchemy and he started to see these symbols that were in his dreams that they had written about and they had already figured out what it meant, and he was like, "Well, how the fuck could I have a dream about some- I didn't know any- I never read this book before, I don't know what- how does-" And that's how he started to figure that out. And so, that shit has happened to me. I'll see symbols in my, uh, in my dreams. Uh, this happened. So I- I- I- I was, um- this is gonna sound crazy. Uh, so I'm s- in the jungle in a clearing, and this, uh- this creature comes over to me. It looks like a big ape. His body's like an- uh, like a big gorilla, but his head is like half of a lion, half human. And I'm like, "What the fuck?" And- and he puts his hand out and I'm like, "Oh, he's gonna crush me." So I- but I put my hand in his hand and he took my hand gently, and he walked me into the jungle. And I was like, "What the f-" So, I tell this to my- I have an analyst who, uh- a Jungian analyst who helps me decipher what my dreams mean, and, uh- and he said, you know, that's an archetypal god and that, um- that was them telling you it's time for you to go into the jungle of your unconscious, but you'll be safe if you're long as y- And I was like, "Oh." So then like a- like a month later, I'm reading this book and, um, there's that fucking thing, the ape with the lion, and I'm like, there's a part, I'm like, "What? That's the thing I saw in my dream." Like, how did that show up in my dream before I ever saw it before or knew- I had the- so I'm having the exact same-

    9. JRJoe Rogan52:11

       Is there a drawing of this-

    10. JDJimmy Dore52:12

        It's in-

    11. JRJoe Rogan52:12

        ... in Jung's book-

    12. JDJimmy Dore52:13

        It- it-

    13. JRJoe Rogan52:13

        ... or is it just description in Jung's book?

    14. JDJimmy Dore52:15

        It's called a Mithraic god. There- that's what- uh, that's what I- uh, why I come- I've come to know. I was like, "That's the fucking thing that was in my dream." So, there's also another thing called the old man. So, Carl Jung talks about this a lot, like, he would meet the old man in his dream, which was like, uh, a- a- a transpersonal self of God. Yeah, like that.

    15. JRJoe Rogan52:36

        That's it? Wow.

    16. JDJimmy Dore52:40

        Yeah. And I'm like, "How- how did-"

    17. JRJoe Rogan52:42

        So that's an archetypal character?

    18. JDJimmy Dore52:43

        Yeah, and I'm like, "How the fuck did that-"

    19. JRJoe Rogan52:44

        And you had no idea-

    20. JDJimmy Dore52:46

        I'd ne-

    21. JRJoe Rogan52:46

        ... and that thing showed up in your dreams?

    22. JDJimmy Dore52:46

        ... I'd never seen it, yeah.

    23. JRJoe Rogan52:48

        Wow. And so, that's depicted all throughout history it looks like.

    24. JDJimmy Dore52:51

        I had no idea. So-

    25. JRJoe Rogan52:53

        How bizarre.

    26. JDJimmy Dore52:54

        ... I had this big decision to make in my life, and, um, it- it was- so what- what Carl Jung says is that y- your unconscious, your transpersonal self, will create a scenario for you where there's no way out. There's no- no matter which way you go, you lose. So I was in one of those. And I had- had a dream and, um, I'm standing in line at a Starbucks at a- at a- at an airport, and this guy taps me and I- and I see a shortcut, so whenever there's a shortcut, I kn- you know, I'm gonna get in- I'm gonna- 'cause it's a long line. And so I figured out, I can go in- over here and I can sneak and get in and get my coffee first, you know? And so I'm- I'm like, doing that, and all of a sudden this- taps, and it's the old man with the gray hair that Carl Jung had talked about. I didn't know it at the time. And I- I just thought this- and this old man, he didn't say anything to me, it's like, he just grabs my hand and he points to the end of the long line. And I go, "Fuck you, old man."

    27. JRJoe Rogan53:53

        Whoa.

    28. JDJimmy Dore53:53

        "Get away from me. What the fuck do you know?" And, uh-

    29. JRJoe Rogan53:58

        Whoa.

    30. JDJimmy Dore53:58

        Yeah. Well now I- so I eventually did take the long line-
13. 1:04:43 – 1:17:20

    Breathwork, entheogens, and religion as psychedelic technology

    1. JRJoe Rogan1:04:43

       It does make sense that a person like that, that is trying to understand how the human mind works would have to take into account all sorts of bizarre things, like UFO sightings, psychic experiences, dream states, endogenous psychedelic experiences through ... Like, there's a bunch of different ways you can r- reliably achieve psychedelic states without any drugs. One of them that I've done recently, even, is holotropic breathing. And if you do holotropic breathing, you have what's like- almost like a mushroom trip.

    2. JDJimmy Dore1:05:16

       What is that?

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:05:17

       It's- i- google holotropic breathing so you can get a- I- I don't butcher the definition of it, but I also- a lot of people do, uh, breathing exercises in sensory deprivation tanks, which provides very vivid psychedelic experiences with no drugs at all. So, this is-

    4. JDJimmy Dore1:05:34

       I did f- I did my first breathing exercise ever this morning.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:05:37

       Um, this is just talking about the s- the study of it. W- there's a way to do ... Maybe I said the wrong word. So, psychic- b- breathing to induce psychedelic states. Just write- just write, "breathing to induce psychedelic states." I might've used the wrong word. All right, here we go. "Breathing their way to an altered state."

    6. JDJimmy Dore1:06:04

       Oh.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:06:05

       Yeah.

    8. JDJimmy Dore1:06:05

       That's from The N- look at it. It's in the-

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:06:06

       Yes.

    10. JDJimmy Dore1:06:06

        Right there in FASBO.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:06:07

        New York Times, January 10th, so you know it's a lie. (laughs)

Episode duration: 2:43:21