Joe Rogan Experience #2175 - Sam Tallent

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. STSam Tallent0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music plays)

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

   4. STSam Tallent0:12

      Are they up?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Oh, we up? Okay. Let's go.

   6. STSam Tallent0:15

      They have a real, like, uh-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Estonia?

   8. STSam Tallent0:17

      Yeah. So, like, the comics there, it's called Humour Klubi, I think, and every show done in Estonia is only produced by these comics. So, no one gets a piece of it besides comedians.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Oh.

   10. STSam Tallent0:27

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Oh.

   12. STSam Tallent0:28

       So they've, like, totally collectivized comedy in Estonia.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Oh, so they sort of developed their own scene-

   14. STSam Tallent0:33

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       ... just the comics do it. So there was no comedy club that was available and they kind of created something?

   16. STSam Tallent0:38

       I th- Well, Estonia's been a country since, like, 1994.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah.

   18. STSam Tallent0:42

       You know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Super real.

   20. STSam Tallent0:42

       So it's, like, all brand new, and I think free speech was just legalized, like, you know, last year or whatever (laughs) and they brought me over.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       (laughs)

   22. STSam Tallent0:49

       (laughs) So, but the crowds, bro. I did a show in the college town there and I was like y- I watched the first two comics, Ari, very funny, not getting big laughs. So I went out there and tried to, like, attack all this crowd. And at one point I was like, "Where do you work, ma'am?" And she went, "No!" (laughs) That was the amount that they wanted to connect. And, like, they don't laugh audibly, and, but afterwards I'm out there selling merch and they're all like, "That was a pleasure. It was time of my life, thank you." It's like, okay, well, in America typically we smile at least if we're having the time of our life.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       (laughs)

   24. STSam Tallent1:20

       It was like someone was gonna throw a rock at them if they made any noise.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Wow.

   26. STSam Tallent1:24

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       They're probably shell-shocked.

   28. STSam Tallent1:25

       Oh, for sure.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       Yeah. Oh, you gotta imagine. Look, Ari's, like, Ari Matti who, who we're talking about-

   30. STSam Tallent1:31

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   I never been to…

   1. STSam Tallent15:00

      Denver Improv.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      I never been to that one.

   3. STSam Tallent15:02

      Of course not. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:03

      Comedy Works was so good though.

   5. STSam Tallent15:05

      Dude, the Improv came and they said, uh, "Wendy, you've had it too good for too long. We're gonna put Comedy Works out of business." And Wendy's response was to open a second comedy club. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:13

      (laughs)

   7. STSam Tallent15:13

      And now she has two A clubs and the Improv's out there, like, barely surviving across from, like, a Toby Kiess I Love This Bar.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      What I was gonna say is there was a club that I, um ... Like, when I ... When Fear Factor had ended, they decided that, uh, I wasn't ... Even though I'd sold out, like, every show, for, like, every time I had been there for years, they decided that I wasn't a draw anymore, so they tried to decrease my amount by 25%. And I was like, "What the fuck are you talking about?" And they're like, "We don't think you're a draw anymore." I go, "But I sold out a year ago when I was here."

   9. STSam Tallent15:47

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       Like, "What are you saying?" And so I didn't work for them for, like, a year and a half. It was one of those big clubs.

   11. STSam Tallent15:54

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Big companies.

   13. STSam Tallent15:55

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan15:55

       That has a lot of clubs.

   15. STSam Tallent15:57

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan15:57

       Yeah, you know when, um-

   17. STSam Tallent15:58

       I think I-

   18. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       Yeah.

   19. STSam Tallent15:58

       I think I know what you're saying.

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       I ... For, uh, f- ... Like more than a year and a half. I think it was, like, two years that I didn't work for them.

   21. STSam Tallent16:03

       Uh-huh.

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       I'm like, "Fuck you."

   23. STSam Tallent16:05

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       And then when everything was, like, really going great for me-

   25. STSam Tallent16:08

       Uh-huh.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       ... then they finally came back and gave me great deals. But I'm like, "You guys are retarded." Like, "This is so stupid."

   27. STSam Tallent16:14

       (laughs) What are you doing? (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Why are you doing that to me?

   29. STSam Tallent16:15

       I'm keeping the lights on around here.

   30. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Yeah. You ... Like, you ... How many national headliners do you guys legitimately have?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   No. …

   1. STSam Tallent30:00

      you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      No.

   3. STSam Tallent30:00

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      They were just normal guys who just happened to be gay.

   5. STSam Tallent30:03

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:03

      And they were everywhere too, so it's like it became normal because you just saw them everywhere. There was guys holding hands everywhere. This was San Francisco in the 1970s.

   7. STSam Tallent30:11

      Yeah. That's like kinda what you want, right, is acceptance?

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:13

      I want people to- yeah. I want people to be themselves.

   9. STSam Tallent30:16

      I want liberty and freedom for all.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       Yeah.

   11. STSam Tallent30:18

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:18

       That's real freedom. You want America to be this fucking land of the free, home of the brave? You know how fucking brave you have to be to be holding hands with a dude and walk down a major street?

   13. STSam Tallent30:27

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:28

       How- what are the possibilities of running into homophobes? It's pretty fucking high.

   15. STSam Tallent30:31

       For sure.

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:32

       Pre- pretty sure. Like, if you're gonna walk down any major metropolitan, like, for any, like, three or four block stretch, the odds of you running into a homophobe is very high.

   17. STSam Tallent30:41

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:41

       Someone is gonna be violently angry that you love another man.

   19. STSam Tallent30:46

       Right.

   20. JRJoe Rogan30:46

       Yeah.

   21. STSam Tallent30:47

       I think that the young people now...... they wanna be homophobic, but I think that most, like, 18 to 23-year-old dudes have probably sucked a dick or had their dick sucked by a fella.

   22. JRJoe Rogan30:56

       Really?

   23. STSam Tallent30:56

       I don't know. I'd, I'd, I'd venture to guess that they're-

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       What do you think is happening today? (laughs)

   25. I ... Well, they-

   26. It's a mist they pump into the classrooms.

   27. Yeah. (laughs)

   28. (laughs) It's like the gay bomb they tried in Iraq. Do you know about that story?

   29. STSam Tallent31:07

       No. (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:07

       Oh my God, you don't know that?
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Yeah. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      as if it's a real thing.

   2. STSam Tallent45:01

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:01

      Pressfield was, uh, kind of like a ne'er-do-well until he was, like, 40. He kind of, like, was, like, half-assing it until he was 40 and then, somewhere along the line, he realized that it's just about being a professional-

   4. STSam Tallent45:14

      Hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      ... and, like, showing up.

   6. STSam Tallent45:15

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:15

      And so he started addressing the muse as a real thing.

   8. STSam Tallent45:18

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      And then he wrote The Legend of Bagger Vance and he wrote, like, some-

   10. STSam Tallent45:22

       Oh, I see.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:22

       ... great screenplays and books and-

   12. STSam Tallent45:24

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:24

       ... and just became, like, very prolific.

   14. STSam Tallent45:26

       Well, it's like we have, we always count on inspiration-

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:28

       Mm-hmm.

   16. STSam Tallent45:28

       ... to come into our lives, but if you can kind of, like, create a situation where that inspiration is more easily available to you-

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       Mm-hmm.

   18. STSam Tallent45:36

       ... whatever that is, it's playing your music, it's drinking coffee, like, however you can, like, try and harness that ethereal thing that is inspiration-

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:44

       Mm-hmm.

   20. STSam Tallent45:44

       ... I think you can, um, be a better creative.

   21. JRJoe Rogan45:47

       Yeah.

   22. STSam Tallent45:47

       And like you said, become more professional in creating.

   23. JRJoe Rogan45:49

       Yeah. There's also different ways that ideas come, right? Like, one of the things that Stephen King would do, a lot of people would do this, is they would write and then they would go for a walk.

   24. STSam Tallent45:59

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:00

       So while you, you wrote everything and now let's go for a walk and just think about what you wrote.

   26. STSam Tallent46:04

       Right.

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       And he would have a little recorder and he would talk into it.

   28. STSam Tallent46:07

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:07

       I've heard a bunch of writers say they do this.

   30. STSam Tallent46:09

       Yeah. That's, that was a big thing for me when I wrote my book was to write and then go on a walk and, uh, maybe smoke a little weed, and then you see it all differently and you can come back and realize what was bullshit (laughs) and, like-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:04:24

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      bad." It's bullshit. It's all just a human behavior pattern. We always want to tell people that they should behave and think and accept the truths that we have accepted. They, you have to behave like us. And if you don't, you're the enemy.

   2. STSam Tallent1:00:14

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:14

      And it's not really that these people have these opinions oftentimes, it's that they have subscribed to a predetermined set of opinions-

   4. STSam Tallent1:00:23

      There's a narrative.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:23

      ... in order to be in this group.

   6. STSam Tallent1:00:25

      There's a party line.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:25

      If you tell me how you feel about the Second Amendment, I can tell you how you feel about abortion.

   8. STSam Tallent1:00:30

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:30

      Almost 80% of the time.

   10. STSam Tallent1:00:32

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:32

       Which is wild.

   12. STSam Tallent1:00:33

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:33

       It's, it's wild.

   14. STSam Tallent1:00:34

       Oh, yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:34

       'Cause they're two very complicated issues.

   16. STSam Tallent1:00:36

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

       If you tell me how you feel about immigration, you know, if you tell me how you feel about, uh, weapons, military spending, I can, I can tell, I could probably tell what you, how you feel about God.

   18. STSam Tallent1:00:47

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:47

       You know, I could probably tell you what your religious leanings are. It's just bizarre. And it's just because the reality of life is too open-ended and complex and fascinating and bizarre and majestic and immense.

   20. STSam Tallent1:01:01

       And boundless.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:02

       Boundless.

   22. STSam Tallent1:01:02

       Yeah, yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:03

       Immense. Like the, and more immense than we even thought it was. Now they're looking into the James Webb telescope, they're finding galaxies that are so big so long ago that they couldn't have existed possibly in the short amount of time-

   24. STSam Tallent1:01:16

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:16

       ... which they were from the Big Bang.

   26. STSam Tallent1:01:18

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

       So then now they're starting to think that the universe is like maybe 10 billion years older than they thought it was.

   28. STSam Tallent1:01:24

       Which is good.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:25

       Yeah.

   30. STSam Tallent1:01:25

       You know?

Episode duration: 2:26:13