Joe Rogan Experience #2175 - Sam Tallent

1. 0:00 – 4:36

   Estonia’s collectivized comedy scene & culture-shocked crowds

   1. STSam Tallent0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music plays)

   3. NANarrator0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

   4. STSam Tallent0:12

      Are they up?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Oh, we up? Okay. Let's go.

   6. STSam Tallent0:15

      They have a real, like, uh-

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      Estonia?

   8. STSam Tallent0:17

      Yeah. So, like, the comics there, it's called Humour Klubi, I think, and every show done in Estonia is only produced by these comics. So, no one gets a piece of it besides comedians.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Oh.

   10. STSam Tallent0:27

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:28

       Oh.

   12. STSam Tallent0:28

       So they've, like, totally collectivized comedy in Estonia.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Oh, so they sort of developed their own scene-

   14. STSam Tallent0:33

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       ... just the comics do it. So there was no comedy club that was available and they kind of created something?

   16. STSam Tallent0:38

       I th- Well, Estonia's been a country since, like, 1994.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah.

   18. STSam Tallent0:42

       You know?

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:42

       Super real.

   20. STSam Tallent0:42

       So it's, like, all brand new, and I think free speech was just legalized, like, you know, last year or whatever (laughs) and they brought me over.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:48

       (laughs)

   22. STSam Tallent0:49

       (laughs) So, but the crowds, bro. I did a show in the college town there and I was like y- I watched the first two comics, Ari, very funny, not getting big laughs. So I went out there and tried to, like, attack all this crowd. And at one point I was like, "Where do you work, ma'am?" And she went, "No!" (laughs) That was the amount that they wanted to connect. And, like, they don't laugh audibly, and, but afterwards I'm out there selling merch and they're all like, "That was a pleasure. It was time of my life, thank you." It's like, okay, well, in America typically we smile at least if we're having the time of our life.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:20

       (laughs)

   24. STSam Tallent1:20

       It was like someone was gonna throw a rock at them if they made any noise.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Wow.

   26. STSam Tallent1:24

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       They're probably shell-shocked.

   28. STSam Tallent1:25

       Oh, for sure.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       Yeah. Oh, you gotta imagine. Look, Ari's, like, Ari Matti who, who we're talking about-

   30. STSam Tallent1:31

       Yeah.
2. 4:36 – 7:39

   Ghost pepper eye, smelling-salt dare, and chaos before the real conversation

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:36

      They're so brutal. They're so brutal. I, um, this is like, I don't wanna say who it was... Oh my god, I just got hot sauce in my eye.

   2. STSam Tallent4:44

      Oh, no.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:45

      Oh, I fucked up. I was eating something with ghost peppers today and I forgot I had it on my hand and I just wiped my eye.

   4. STSam Tallent4:50

      At least you didn't touch your dick.

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      Wow. Ah, I did touch my dick.

   6. STSam Tallent4:53

      That's the worst.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:54

      Eh, it's nothing bad. Not as bad as the eye.

   8. STSam Tallent4:56

      I've done... Oh, I did a jalapeno and then I touched my dick, and then my wife came home and I had the tip of my penis in saucer of milk.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:03

      (laughs)

   10. STSam Tallent5:04

       (laughs) She- she was like, "What are you up to?"

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:07

       (laughs)

   12. STSam Tallent5:07

       I'm just, like, crying with my dick in cream.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:09

       That's like that old Eddie Murphy bit about, uh, putting the aftershave on his balls.

   14. STSam Tallent5:13

       Oh, yeah. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:14

       (laughs)

   16. I have, uh, Clear Eyes if you think that'll help at all.

   17. Uh, yeah, throw that over here.

   18. STSam Tallent5:18

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan5:20

       Oh, goddamn it.

   20. STSam Tallent5:21

       Capsaicin's a hell of a drug, man.

   21. JRJoe Rogan5:23

       Woo, ghost pepper, baby.

   22. STSam Tallent5:24

       That'll wake you up.

   23. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Oh my god.

   24. STSam Tallent5:26

       (laughs) It's like those smelling salts you have in the green room.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:29

       Oh, yeah.

   26. STSam Tallent5:30

       I fucked around-

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       We have them here, bro.

   28. STSam Tallent5:31

       Dude, I, I, I dipped my toes into those waters and I think my-

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:35

       The, the ones we have at the green room are bullshit compared to these.

   30. STSam Tallent5:38

       Hey, I'll take your word for it.
3. 7:39 – 9:47

   Standup as a travel “cheat code” & how different countries watch comedy

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:39

      So what's, uh, the road been like? You're all over the place, man. I follow you on Instagram.

   2. STSam Tallent7:43

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:43

      You're in all these crazy countries and... Did you just decide to, like, see the world? Like, d- is that what the, the plan was?

   4. STSam Tallent7:49

      Standup's a pretty good cheat code to travel-

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:51

      Mm.

   6. STSam Tallent7:51

      ... and experience the authentic version of a place, 'cause you get to hang out with people from that place while you're there that weekend.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:56

      Right.

   8. STSam Tallent7:57

      So, yeah, uh, I did like every state in America by the time I was like 30, and then was like, "Well, maybe I'll go abroad." And standup's so new in the rest of the world that it's like you feel like you're in the ground floor of, like... All I can really, uh, approximate it to is, like, the early days of, like, hardcore. Like punk rock-

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:16

      Oh, wow.

   10. STSam Tallent8:16

       ... when, like, Black Flag and Minutemen were out there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:17

       Right.

   12. STSam Tallent8:18

       And I feel like I'm doing shows like that when I go to Estonia or Bratislava.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:22

       Right.

   14. STSam Tallent8:23

       Yeah, and everyone's so happy to have you.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:25

       Was there any place that, like, was really fun? Where, like, they laughed really loud and they got the jokes? Or was it every place, like, a little disjointed?

   16. STSam Tallent8:34

       It's, it's different because some of those... S- the, the more east you go into Europe, the more they watch it like theater.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:40

       Oh.

   18. STSam Tallent8:41

       But, uh, I remember I was in Hungary, in Budapest, and that show was awesome, and it shouldn't have been. Like, the host went up and ate it, and he was getting all sweaty up there, and he had to, like, take off his sweatshirt 'cause he was bombing so hard. God bless him. You know? (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan8:55

       (laughs)

   20. STSam Tallent8:55

       But he comes off stage and he brings me on and he's like, "It's hot up there, bro." And then I went out there and I was, you know, just made fun of him, and the crowd was like, "Very good." You know?

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:02

       Ah.

   22. STSam Tallent9:03

       And then I killed over there, man.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:04

       Really?

   24. STSam Tallent9:05

       Yeah. And I didn't think it was gonna be good because they were all stern-faced Europeans.

   25. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       (laughs)

   26. STSam Tallent9:10

       You don't walk out there and, like, see, like, people-

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:11

       (groans)

   28. STSam Tallent9:11

       ... who look like they've smiled before, but I, I got 'em.

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:14

       I took Hinchliffe to Stockholm once.

   30. STSam Tallent9:16

       Yeah, Stockholm's fun.
4. 9:47 – 11:27

   What makes a great comedy club: no food, no check drop, comics get paid

   1. JRJoe Rogan9:47

      That was another thing that I made sure with the club, no food.

   2. STSam Tallent9:50

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan9:50

      Get us food. Uh, and we were, we're connected to two restaurants.

   4. STSam Tallent9:53

      Right.

   5. JRJoe Rogan9:53

      There's a restaurant, pizza place to the left, Mexican place to the right.

   6. STSam Tallent9:56

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan9:56

      We're good.

   8. STSam Tallent9:57

      Everyone's fine.

   9. JRJoe Rogan9:58

      Yeah.

   10. STSam Tallent9:58

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:58

       You know, we don't, we, we, you don't have to eat. You can s- g- take an hour and a half or two hours after- out of your day and not eat.

   12. STSam Tallent10:03

       Well you guys also don't have to worry about being like an Applebee's where there's occasionally comedy.

   13. JRJoe Rogan10:07

       Right.

   14. STSam Tallent10:07

       Which is a lot of these clubs out there.

   15. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       Yeah.

   16. STSam Tallent10:09

       Not a lot of them, but they're still, they still exist.

   17. JRJoe Rogan10:11

       Yeah.

   18. STSam Tallent10:11

       That model of like, "Hey, while you're... Hey, hey, the host, by the way, uh, when you a- when you do everyone's birthdays, after that, make sure you plug the, uh, you know, the queso dip."

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:19

       Yeah, try the wings.

   20. STSam Tallent10:20

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:21

       Yeah, I did a lot of those.

   22. STSam Tallent10:22

       Oh, me too.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:23

       But those are important for learning how to captivate someone's attention span.

   24. STSam Tallent10:26

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:27

       You know, for a comic, it's like learning how to run uphill.

   26. STSam Tallent10:30

       And if you can't compete with a quesadilla-

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:31

       Uh... (laughs)

   28. STSam Tallent10:32

       ... you know, you should probably hang it up.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:34

       (laughs)

   30. STSam Tallent10:34

       (laughs)
5. 11:27 – 15:20

   Mothership origin stories: opening nights, Chappelle surprises, and growth pressure

   1. JRJoe Rogan11:27

      ... when everything was fucked. But n- uh, you know, we could've never imagined it was gonna work as good as it worked. You know, the whole, the plan was just, the plan was like to just see what happens and build. But like, from the opening night, it was just guns blazing.

   2. STSam Tallent11:41

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan11:42

      And then D- Dave Chappelle came, like, a couple of days after we opened, and he's the first guy that ever performed on... Well, actually Shane opened for him. So Shane was the first guy that ever performed in the little room.

   4. STSam Tallent11:51

      Wow.

   5. JRJoe Rogan11:52

      And then Dave did a set there.

   6. STSam Tallent11:54

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan11:54

      And we did that one, I just sold it off of Twitter, I said, "We're having a special intimate show tonight at 11:30." And it sold out. No one had any idea who it was, and then when they found out it was Dave, it was fucking pandemonium.

   8. STSam Tallent12:06

      That was in Little Boy?

   9. JRJoe Rogan12:07

      That was in the Little Boy.

   10. STSam Tallent12:08

       Oh my God.

   11. JRJoe Rogan12:09

       Yeah. So he did the first set in the big room, and he did a set, uh, after me. So...... they had no idea then either. And, uh, again, the club had just opened. And, uh, and everybody's cheering, I'm like, "Thank you. Get ... Actually, the show's not over. We got one more comedian, ladies and gentlemen. One of the greatest of all time. Please welcome my friend, Dave Chappelle." And he goes outstu- and they just went fucking bananas.

   12. STSam Tallent12:30

       People's heads exploded. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan12:31

       Yeah, it was awesome.

   14. STSam Tallent12:32

       Yeah, they liquified. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan12:33

       It was awesome. So we, we ... Like, from the beginning, it was guns blazing. Then so many people started moving here and I'm like, "Wow, okay." And then now we're at a point where I'm like, "I think we need another club." I think-

   16. STSam Tallent12:44

       Yeah, carrying capacity might have been reached over there.

   17. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       It's mobbed every night.

   18. STSam Tallent12:48

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan12:48

       So I'm like, "I feel like we could get a club, like, down the street." And, you know, have an A and a B club, you know?

   20. STSam Tallent12:55

       Nice.

   21. JRJoe Rogan12:55

       And just ... It's all ... For all these young people, it's all about numbers. Like, t- how many ... You need s- ... Obviously you need to analyze your material, you need to write, but it's about getting on stage. That's one of the primary components that needs to be a part of this equation. Like, you have to go on stage a lot.

   22. STSam Tallent13:13

       Volume.

   23. JRJoe Rogan13:14

       Yeah.

   24. STSam Tallent13:14

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan13:15

       And in a good environment.

   26. STSam Tallent13:16

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan13:16

       You need the bad environments too. You need shitty spots too.

   28. STSam Tallent13:18

       And you're gonna get plenty of those. (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan13:20

       There's a lot of that around here.

   30. STSam Tallent13:21

       Yeah. I mean, God, I was just, uh, at this club this weekend, the Comedy Vault in Batavia, great club, but the AC was broken.
6. 15:20 – 20:23

   Radio promotion is dead; Kill Tony’s global footprint

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:20

      What I was gonna say is there was a club that I, um ... Like, when I ... When Fear Factor had ended, they decided that, uh, I wasn't ... Even though I'd sold out, like, every show, for, like, every time I had been there for years, they decided that I wasn't a draw anymore, so they tried to decrease my amount by 25%. And I was like, "What the fuck are you talking about?" And they're like, "We don't think you're a draw anymore." I go, "But I sold out a year ago when I was here."

   2. STSam Tallent15:47

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:47

      Like, "What are you saying?" And so I didn't work for them for, like, a year and a half. It was one of those big clubs.

   4. STSam Tallent15:54

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:54

      Big companies.

   6. STSam Tallent15:55

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:55

      That has a lot of clubs.

   8. STSam Tallent15:57

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:57

      Yeah, you know when, um-

   10. STSam Tallent15:58

       I think I-

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       Yeah.

   12. STSam Tallent15:58

       I think I know what you're saying.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:00

       I ... For, uh, f- ... Like more than a year and a half. I think it was, like, two years that I didn't work for them.

   14. STSam Tallent16:03

       Uh-huh.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:03

       I'm like, "Fuck you."

   16. STSam Tallent16:05

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:05

       And then when everything was, like, really going great for me-

   18. STSam Tallent16:08

       Uh-huh.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:08

       ... then they finally came back and gave me great deals. But I'm like, "You guys are retarded." Like, "This is so stupid."

   20. STSam Tallent16:14

       (laughs) What are you doing? (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       Why are you doing that to me?

   22. STSam Tallent16:15

       I'm keeping the lights on around here.

   23. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Yeah. You ... Like, you ... How many national headliners do you guys legitimately have?

   24. STSam Tallent16:20

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       And you're gonna alienate one of them just because you think you can make 25% more money?

   26. STSam Tallent16:24

       Yeah, and you're gonna sell out every ticket. They're not papering-

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       Yeah.

   28. STSam Tallent16:27

       ... the room for Joe Rogan.

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       Dude was sold out in advance already, like, to the point where I was already having to, like, tell them, "I don't wanna do radio."

   30. STSam Tallent16:33

       Yeah.
7. 20:23 – 25:42

   Glasses-as-accessory, ‘Hawk Tuah’ virality, and a pride-rapper deep dive

   1. JRJoe Rogan20:23

      Do you know what's weird? People that wear glasses that don't have vision problems.

   2. STSam Tallent20:28

      I hate them. They're stealing valor.

   3. JRJoe Rogan20:29

      I was thinking about that one.

   4. STSam Tallent20:30

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan20:31

      Yeah?

   6. STSam Tallent20:31

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan20:31

      'Cause you have to have 'em.

   8. STSam Tallent20:32

      I am so blind without these.

   9. JRJoe Rogan20:35

      What is it with people with clear lenses? Like what is that about?

   10. STSam Tallent20:38

       It shapes their face is what they say. It's an accessory. So they'll have like a big fat face, so they'll wear big glasses-

   11. JRJoe Rogan20:44

       Oh.

   12. STSam Tallent20:44

       Or they have like a mouse face, so they wear little glasses. But I really don't trust those people.

   13. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       Very odd.

   14. STSam Tallent20:49

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan20:50

       It's a very odd choice.

   16. STSam Tallent20:51

       It's like having a, uh, prosthetic leg attached when you have both your feet.

   17. JRJoe Rogan20:55

       Yeah, I man- I met a guy and he- he had those on. He was a comic.

   18. STSam Tallent20:58

       Mm-hmm.

   19. JRJoe Rogan20:58

       And I go, "Why do you wear those?" And he goes, "Girls think you're smarter." I go, "Really?"

   20. STSam Tallent21:03

       Yeah, the dumbest girls. (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan21:04

       (laughs) Who are these girls?

   22. STSam Tallent21:07

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan21:07

       They think you're smarter 'cause you can't see good.

   24. STSam Tallent21:09

       Yeah, if the glasses are doing it, just shake keys at one of them. That'll probably work too.

   25. JRJoe Rogan21:12

       Well, I guess the stereotype at one point in time was that you ruined your eyes by st- spending too much time looking at a close surface.

   26. STSam Tallent21:19

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan21:20

       Or like a- a close object, which is what happens, which is why cellphones are very bad for your eyes.

   28. STSam Tallent21:25

       So bad for us.

   29. JRJoe Rogan21:26

       So like the idea was, "This guy reads so much."

   30. STSam Tallent21:29

       I see.
8. 25:42 – 31:03

   Pride parades, gay neighborhoods, and Joe’s San Francisco childhood perspective

   1. JRJoe Rogan25:42

      I like freaks of all ti- I mean, here's the- the thing. Like, a lot of people are upset about the Pride parade (swallows) because they're like, "Oh, they're doing the Pride parade and they're doing it in front of all these children." Hey, c- don't bring your kids to a fucking Pride parade.

   2. STSam Tallent25:58

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:58

      I know- I know you want your kids to be tolerant.

   4. STSam Tallent26:00

      Is that him?

   5. JRJoe Rogan26:00

      Oh, Simply Marvelous, Chris Conde, queer conscious rapper.

   6. STSam Tallent26:03

      Is that him?

   7. JRJoe Rogan26:04

      Boy, it looks a lot like him.

   8. STSam Tallent26:06

      Oh, those are different tattoos I think.

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:07

      No, it says queer on his belly.

   10. STSam Tallent26:08

       No, no there's queer. Yeah, he did.

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:08

       That's him.

   12. STSam Tallent26:09

       He's based in Austin it says.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:10

       Oh, hell yeah, dude.

   14. STSam Tallent26:11

       Oh, hell yeah, dude.

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:11

       Hey, fella.

   16. STSam Tallent26:13

       Whoa, he has a song called American Faggot.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:15

       Well, there you go.

   18. STSam Tallent26:16

       That's hard as hell.

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:17

       Yeah. That dude's talented.

   20. STSam Tallent26:20

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:20

       That probably was in Austin then.

   22. STSam Tallent26:22

       Oh, for sure.

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:23

       Yeah.

   24. STSam Tallent26:23

       It looked like it was at a farmer's market based on the crowd.

   25. JRJoe Rogan26:25

       So, like, there's this thing that people are saying about, like, the qu- the Pride parade, 'cause all these people are walking around naked at the San Francisco Pride parade, and so they were interviewing these people and they have their dicks out.

   26. STSam Tallent26:36

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan26:37

       And... (sighs) Listen, (clears throat) if you don't want your kids to see gay guys being sexual, that's what Pride parade is.

   28. STSam Tallent26:46

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan26:47

       It's not like a bunch of 40-year-old gay engineers holding hands like married guys, they're just holding hands, like, "Hey, we're proud-"

   30. STSam Tallent26:55

       Blowing each other kisses, yeah.
9. 31:03 – 33:33

   ‘Gay bomb’ lore, ancient sexuality, and violence in earlier eras

   1. JRJoe Rogan31:03

      (laughs) It's like the gay bomb they tried in Iraq. Do you know about that story?

   2. STSam Tallent31:07

      No. (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan31:07

      Oh my God, you don't know that?

   4. STSam Tallent31:08

      No. (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:09

      Oh my God.

   6. STSam Tallent31:09

      What? (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:10

      The United States spent millions of dollars trying to develop a gay bomb.

   8. Wow.

   9. And so it's based on this hormone and this chemical, and they would detonate it above a city, and apparently it'd make men so randy that they wind up fucking each other and it would demoralize them. This was the supposed idea.

   10. No way.

   11. Yeah. This is how goofy our fucking government is. Not knowing anything about the Spartans who were gay as fuck-

   12. Mm-hmm.

   13. ... with like the, one of the greatest armies the world has ever known.

   14. Yeah, they could come for each other.

   15. They were so gay.

   16. Yeah. (laughs)

   17. And not just that, but when you fought next to someone-

   18. With your lover?

   19. ... and they were your friend-

   20. Yeah.

   21. ... that was one thing.

   22. I see.

   23. But if it was your lover, you would protect them to the death.

   24. That's so smart.

   25. Yeah, man. Well, they just-

   26. Yeah.

   27. Also, I think people were just gay then. I think people-

   28. It is.

   29. ... back before they realized like, "Hey, you probably shouldn't fuck kids."

   30. (laughs)
10. 33:33 – 39:07

    Duels, action movies, and why some films still feel ‘must-see’

    1. JRJoe Rogan33:33

       Yeah. Disrespect. I mean, look, when this country was founded, one of our presidents, I forget which one, engaged in a duel while he was president.

    2. STSam Tallent33:43

       I think Andrew Jackson dueled a lot of people.

    3. JRJoe Rogan33:46

       Was it Andrew Jackson? (laughs)

    4. STSam Tallent33:46

       Yeah. That was like his whole thing.

    5. JRJoe Rogan33:48

       He just liked to shoot at people?

    6. STSam Tallent33:49

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan33:50

       From 10 paces?

    8. STSam Tallent33:51

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan33:51

       Which is the dumbest fucking thing to think. If you hate someone, you don't like them, why don't you guys agree to fight or something?

    10. STSam Tallent33:58

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan33:59

        Why you gotta ... Dueling's so dumb.

    12. STSam Tallent34:01

        With pistols that ... Yeah, there we go.

    13. JRJoe Rogan34:03

        Many people think Andrew Jackson fought hundreds of duels. He did have a temper. He was challenged and he was challenged, uh, challenged other several times, but only one duel resulted in shots fired, in 1806 where he killed Charles Dickinson.

    14. STSam Tallent34:14

        That's good. He was a terrible shot.

    15. JRJoe Rogan34:17

        How ... How far away did he shoot people from? Well, those guns sucked too.

    16. STSam Tallent34:20

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan34:20

        I mean, they're shooting people with muskets.

    18. STSam Tallent34:22

        Right, and it shot like a marble.

    19. JRJoe Rogan34:23

        Yeah.

    20. STSam Tallent34:24

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan34:24

        It shot a ball of lead.

    22. STSam Tallent34:25

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JRJoe Rogan34:26

        And not very accurate either.

    24. STSam Tallent34:28

        And you probably didn't die every time.

    25. JRJoe Rogan34:29

        No.

    26. STSam Tallent34:30

        You could take one of those, you're fine.

    27. JRJoe Rogan34:31

        Yeah, you'd take one in the shoulder.

    28. STSam Tallent34:32

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan34:32

        Especially if they're not accurate.

    30. STSam Tallent34:33

        Oh, yeah.
11. 39:07 – 54:27

    Comedy craft and the muse: writing, stealing premises, and creative discipline

    1. STSam Tallent39:07

       And also, that show's perfect because you're not worried about, like, maybe someone's bit worming its way into your brain-

    2. JRJoe Rogan39:13

       Right.

    3. STSam Tallent39:13

       ... and then you Robin Williams it later.

    4. JRJoe Rogan39:15

       Yeah.

    5. STSam Tallent39:15

       You know what I mean?

    6. JRJoe Rogan39:16

       That's why Norton doesn't watch standup. He told me.

    7. STSam Tallent39:17

       I can't watch it either.

    8. JRJoe Rogan39:18

       Really?

    9. STSam Tallent39:19

       Yeah. 'Cause, like, when you riff a lot, when you're-

    10. JRJoe Rogan39:22

        Right.

    11. STSam Tallent39:22

        ... you know, which I like improvising a lot on stage-

    12. JRJoe Rogan39:24

        Uh-huh.

    13. STSam Tallent39:25

        ... every now and then, you'll tell someone's joke, and then it's that moment where you're like... I'll, like, ask my feature, like, "Is that someone's bit?" You know.

    14. JRJoe Rogan39:33

        Right, right.

    15. STSam Tallent39:33

        'Cause you don't want to be that guy.

    16. JRJoe Rogan39:34

        Right.

    17. STSam Tallent39:35

        You know?

    18. JRJoe Rogan39:35

        Yeah, that definitely can happen.

    19. STSam Tallent39:37

        Yeah.

    20. JRJoe Rogan39:37

        You, you know, but the thing is, it's like integrity. Like, does it happen on purpose? Does it just happen? If it just happens, like, maybe you should figure out why, maybe work on some- something for your memory, or think ab- or maybe just don't leap to... The problem is, some ideas that you don't steal almost feel stolen.

    21. STSam Tallent39:55

        I know.

    22. JRJoe Rogan39:55

        Because this is the problem with creativity, because this is the concept of the muse, right? That these ideas are just given to you by, like, the gods. It kind of feels like that sometimes. Like, some bits, they'll- they'll arrive in your mind with a setup and a punchline.

    23. STSam Tallent40:09

        Sacred knowledge.

    24. JRJoe Rogan40:10

        Yeah, it i-

    25. STSam Tallent40:11

        Yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan40:11

        There's something going on there.

    27. STSam Tallent40:12

        I know.

    28. JRJoe Rogan40:13

        I don't know what it is. I don't... I have a bizarre theory that ideas are actually a life form.

    29. STSam Tallent40:18

        You think that they're energy?

    30. JRJoe Rogan40:20

        I don't know what the word energy means. Like, the word energy means electricity, but it also means diesel eng- engines, you know?
12. 54:27 – 1:03:02

    War, media narratives, and political tribalism: Ukraine, NATO, and gaslighting

    1. JRJoe Rogan54:27

       No. We're, we are l-... We just signed a 10-year contract to supply them with weapons. To supply Ukraine with weapons for the next 10 years.

    2. STSam Tallent54:35

       Yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan54:36

       I think this whole thing is... It's terrifying to watch, but it's also a very clear money grab.

    4. STSam Tallent54:44

       Yeah.

    5. JRJoe Rogan54:44

       There's so much money going over there and there's so much money we, we continue to send. And it's just, like, how is this okay with everybody?

    6. STSam Tallent54:53

       I don't know.

    7. JRJoe Rogan54:53

       How is anybody letting this happen?

    8. STSam Tallent54:55

       Yeah. I mean, the taxpayers are really holding the bag on it, too, you know?

    9. JRJoe Rogan54:59

       Dave Smith had a wild suggestion.

    10. STSam Tallent55:01

        What was this?

    11. JRJoe Rogan55:01

        He was on-

    12. STSam Tallent55:02

        He's full of those.

    13. JRJoe Rogan55:03

        ... one of those... He is. He was at... He was doing a, a debate about, um, about Russia and Ukraine, and he said one of the ways to incentivize Russia to stop, um, to stop attacking Ukraine is if we left NATO.

    14. STSam Tallent55:17

        Whoa.

    15. JRJoe Rogan55:18

        Not only do- do- should we, uh, say that Ukraine's not gonna join NATO, but we're gonna leave NATO. And I was like, "Whoa."

    16. STSam Tallent55:25

        What would be the repercussions of that, though?

    17. JRJoe Rogan55:27

        Oh, who fucking knows?

    18. STSam Tallent55:29

        We would just be a lingering-

    19. JRJoe Rogan55:30

        Well, look at the repercussions of being a part of it. Look at the repercussions-

    20. STSam Tallent55:32

        Sure.

    21. JRJoe Rogan55:32

        ... of what's going on right now. Because, uh, y- you know, Dave is the best at explaining, and, uh, he'll credit Scott Horton and a lot of other people.

    22. STSam Tallent55:40

        Mm-hmm.

    23. JRJoe Rogan55:40

        But Dave is really good at recalling information, explaining how... The whole red line with Putin was Ukraine joining NATO. That was, they always knew that. And they kept moving NATO-based company, uh, countries. They kept moving weapons closer and closer to Russia. Like, the whole thing was like they were baiting him to do this. I just, I just get so suspicious of military activity, because I know that the f- there's, there's always gonna be bad people in the world that you have to send good people to go fight. That's always gonna be the case, right? The clearest, most pure version of that for us is always World War II.

    24. STSam Tallent56:20

        Right, 'cause they're evil.

    25. JRJoe Rogan56:20

        The Nazis, we go over there and kill the Nazis, the whole uni- United States, you know, gets together and then when it's over, there's that sailor kissing that girl.

    26. STSam Tallent56:28

        Right.

    27. JRJoe Rogan56:28

        You know, when he... And it's like, "Hey, this is why people sacrificed."

    28. STSam Tallent56:31

        Yeah.

    29. JRJoe Rogan56:31

        And this is why this America is so amazing, this country. But that's not real. Th- that's only one examp- most of the time, it's people figuring out a way to get defense contracts. They're mo-

    30. STSam Tallent56:42

        Or there's some cool resources that just so-
13. 1:03:02 – 1:14:40

    Anarchist commune years, cult real-estate near-miss, and why people join belief systems

    1. STSam Tallent1:03:02

       It's funny because, like, I used to live in an anarchist commune in-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

       What? (laughs)

    3. STSam Tallent1:03:06

       ... Upstate New York, yeah, when I was, like... from, like, 18 to 22.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:03:10

       How did you get involved in that?

    5. STSam Tallent1:03:11

       My best friend from high school, uh, moved to Ithaca to go to college, and we were in bands together, so I was like... I... uh, college sucked, you know? So I went to school in Denver, and then I went out there to stay with him, and we, like, wrote, like, 12 songs over, like, two weeks. And then I was like, "Well, I'm not gonna stay in school. I'm gonna move up here." So we got this place. We shared a closet in an anarchist commune called-

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:03:34

       (laughs)

    7. STSam Tallent1:03:34

       ... Goblin House.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:03:35

       Goblin House? (laughs)

    9. STSam Tallent1:03:36

       Yeah, dude. And, like, when we moved in, this dude named Bob Wolf Young II, (laughs) he had the number two in his last name.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:03:42

        What? (laughs)

    11. STSam Tallent1:03:43

        Uh, yeah, he, like, changed his name. His name was... Bob Wolf was his first name, and then Young, like J-U-N-G 2.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:03:50

        Oh, wow.

    13. STSam Tallent1:03:50

        Great guy, but I remember when he showed us the room, he was like, "And this is where you will sleep. And I just wanted to know, are you guys up to group sex?" (laughs)

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:03:57

        Ah.

    15. STSam Tallent1:03:57

        We're like, "No, dude, we just wanna, like, have the practice space." We would... we had this, like... we... it was an abattoir. It was an old slaughterhouse. So we were living with these people that were like... they would, like, sign their rent checks in blood, you know?

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:04:09

        (laughs)

    17. STSam Tallent1:04:09

        We were, like, dumpstering everything.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:04:11

        (laughs)

    19. STSam Tallent1:04:11

        I, like, learned to kill chickens and stuff. (laughs)

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:04:13

        Wow.

    21. STSam Tallent1:04:14

        Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:14

        Wow.

    23. STSam Tallent1:04:14

        But on the commune, like, those people have the... almost the exact same tenants and ideals as the... you know, your preppers, your doomsday guys who wanna, like, build a compound-

Episode duration: 2:26:13