Joe Rogan Experience #2203 - Eric Goode & Jeremy McBride

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   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Gentlemen, thanks for being here. Please introduce yourselves.

   3. EGEric Goode0:15

      Eric Goode.

   4. JMJeremy McBride0:16

      Jeremy McBride.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      And you got, did you guys both do Tiger King as well?

   6. JMJeremy McBride0:24

      Yeah. I mean, um, I kind of came in towards the tail end. I remember meeting you about this.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      Keep it th- this close to your face.

   8. JMJeremy McBride0:29

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      Yeah. It's okay.

   10. JMJeremy McBride0:30

       Um...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       You can scoot your...

   12. JMJeremy McBride0:32

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       It moves and stuff.

   14. JMJeremy McBride0:33

       Okay. Yeah. I, um, I met Eric, uh, kind of towards the tail end of filming Tiger King. Um, yeah, that was kind of the first experience I had with you.

   15. EGEric Goode0:44

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       You guys, like, struck-

   17. JMJeremy McBride0:45

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       ... lightning with that, 'cause it came right at the pandemic where everyone's locked at home and everyone was like, "What the fuck is going on with these guys?"

   19. EGEric Goode0:56

       Yeah. Yeah, captive cats and captive audience.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       And just crazy people. And, um, and then your new show, Chimp Crazy, is, like, basically along the same vein. And it is so odd how nutty these animal people are, these people that have captive animals at their home. It's such a bizarre... Uh, there's, there, I would, I would like to see, uh, like, a psychologist, like, like a clinical psychologist do an examination of what type of personality-

   21. EGEric Goode1:26

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       ... wants to have these enormous wild animals captive in their homes.

   23. EGEric Goode1:34

       Yeah. No, for sure. Um, it, it's, um, it's incredible and, of course, that's what interests us because, you know, I'm an animal guy, but, uh, you know, you have to have interesting people to tell a good story.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       Well, we are animals. That's, yeah-

   25. EGEric Goode1:50

       And we are, and we are animals.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       That's the, the weird part about it. We're this, uh, bizarre animal-

   27. EGEric Goode1:55

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:56

       ... that likes to, uh, keep animals in cages.

   29. JMJeremy McBride2:00

       (laughs)

   30. EGEric Goode2:00

       And some people think we should've been in the same genus as apes-
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Okay. …

   1. EGEric Goode15:00

      parks.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:01

      Okay.

   3. EGEric Goode15:01

      And very little money goes back into conservation. Now, there's a lot of zoos that are doing great stuff. And I, I think the, the things that we're learning about is the educational value of zoos for kids is no longer as what they intended it to be. I think there's great things that they do, but there's not... There's nothing proven around, you know, zoos are, uh, educational facilities for animals. Well, what really rocked zoos was the film Blackfish.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:25

      Blackfish, yeah.

   5. EGEric Goode15:26

      And they, and they suddenly went, "Wait a minute."

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:27

      Yeah.

   7. EGEric Goode15:27

      "The public doesn't like us?" And they started putting into effect all these kind of new programs for animal welfare, and particularly for bears, like polar bears, like what you just mentioned. And they have a new word, it's not so new anymore, called enrichment, which means that you give a bear something to do so it doesn't do what you were just saying. You put their food in ice so they have to w- work to get it out. You put their food in a ball. You make them have to do things.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:53

      Mm.

   9. EGEric Goode15:53

      But, you know, that was the big shakeup for zoos in terms of animal welfare and, and now, you know, of course, they're... It's still evolving and zoos are scared when they see Tiger King and even Chimp Crazy. But-

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:06

       But Joe's daughter's grandkids will, will still see orcas at SeaWorld.

   11. EGEric Goode16:11

       Do you think so?

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:12

       Yeah. I mean, 'cause the, the-

   13. EGEric Goode16:13

       Well, they live a long time. That's-

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:14

       They live a long time and they, they... Sea World, you know-

   15. EGEric Goode16:16

       Maybe not granddaughters, but... (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:17

       Oh, okay. But I, I say it more, um...

   17. EGEric Goode16:19

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:20

       I'm, you know... I, uh, I have little boys. I have a four-year-old and a one-year-old, and I think it's particularly interesting to kind of go through this experience 'cause they're obsessed with animals, and you're, you're kind of educating them on, um, these kind of moral issues surrounding animals. The anthropomorphic characters that are created to describe the feelings and where they should live and how they should feel. And kids relate with them in, in some form of a bridge to humanity, I, I believe. And we, um... You know, you ask this fundamental question when you go to the zoo, "Hey, where did all the animals come from?" No one really begs to think that question.

   19. EGEric Goode16:54

       Well, that... He's... Where he's going right now is the... Sort of a big part of our, uh, next documentary, which is about, you know, the illegal animal trade-

   20. JRJoe Rogan17:02

       Yeah.

   21. EGEric Goode17:02

       ... but also zoos were complicit in that, uh, for a very long time. Maybe still.

   22. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       Mm.

   23. EGEric Goode17:07

       So, anyway, sort of going onto another-

   24. JRJoe Rogan17:08

       Yeah, no, sorry. I'm-

   25. EGEric Goode17:09

       ... another-

   26. JRJoe Rogan17:09

       But the zoo thing-

   27. EGEric Goode17:10

       Who knows?

   28. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       I mean, you're, you're into the... I, I, I... You get emotional on this and I, I, I, um, I... What's really cool about the, this kind of medium that we're in, you know, we have access to all these, all this information and all these people over large decades of, of work in conservation in zoos and PETA and legislation laws. It's really encoura-... I, I just love the idea of synthesizing this information to a point in today's context which is, yeah, it's... When you go to a zoo, no one seems to ask where the animals comes from. Right.

   29. EGEric Goode17:39

       You know, it's, it's, it is a very, you know, simple idea that many people miss the point of when they go there. Now, I, I, I'm not anti-zoo totally either, y- you know, and I have no real position or credibility to also suggest that. But I do think... I'm, I'm interested in asking those questions-

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:54

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Yeah, that's... Back, back…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      it's just weird. It's... We're, we're fucking weird. We're weird in our justifications. We're weird in what we allow ourselves to do.

   2. EGEric Goode30:09

      Yeah, that's... Back, back to the chimpanzees, that was one of the things that I just couldn't ever, you know... I c- I couldn't ever connect with this woman, Tanya, that kept this chimp and tried to explain to her...... you know, that we are chimps, you know, effectively. And, you know, and she just, uh, uh, you know, took the page out of, uh, the, uh, you know, Genesis where she just said, uh, you know, "I am not, you know, we're not animals. This is an animal and I can own it like property." Anyway, that was just one of the things I, uh... She just never really u- fully understood.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:45

      Well, to be kind, she's not bright. You know, she's not a bright woman, not a well-read woman, you know, unfortunately. And this seems to be part of the, the theme of all these folks, which is w- weird, you know. And then you got the one guy in Tiger King that's essentially running like a little sex cult, right? That guy.

   4. EGEric Goode31:06

      Doc Antle.

   5. JRJoe Rogan31:06

      Yeah. And then you've got, uh, the Tiger King himself.

   6. EGEric Goode31:10

      Joe.

   7. JRJoe Rogan31:10

      You got Joe Exotic who is also kind of- (laughs)

   8. EGEric Goode31:13

      (laughs)

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:14

      ... ru- running a strange little sex cult. But, you know, he's just got all this personality and he's so interesting and fascinating. And, uh-

   10. EGEric Goode31:24

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       ... if he wasn't in jail, it's really unfortunate, you know, because if he wasn't in jail, he would, uh... He'd be a very popular person.

   12. He hasn't even seen the show-

   13. EGEric Goode31:31

       Can you, can you imagine-

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       ... which is amazing.

   15. EGEric Goode31:33

       ... if he was... (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:34

       Well, he's trying to get D- Donald Trump to, to, uh, exonerate him and he... And he... And pardon him. I mean, he was, uh, constantly... A- after I talked about Tiger King-

   17. Oh, sure. Yeah.

   18. ... I get messages from that guy. I don't know how he's giving me messages. I'm shoo- I'm assuming it's someone who works for him.

   19. EGEric Goode31:50

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       But I get messages all the time, like, "Y- you've gotta help get him out. Put him on your podcast, do this, do that." Like...

   21. Well, he also has communication in jail. He gets, uh... Somehow he's able to get a phone. He's doing video calls and stuff.

   22. Well, you know how it goes. (laughs)

   23. Yeah. Yeah. (laughs)

   24. EGEric Goode32:06

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan32:06

       You know? (laughs)

   26. EGEric Goode32:06

       Um-

   27. JRJoe Rogan32:07

       But, but there was a moment, there was a moment, um, when we were filming, uh, this kind of like second installment of Tiger King where we covered this, this pardon, the presidential pardon. There's a real shot where Joe was actually on a list supposedly-

   28. EGEric Goode32:23

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan32:23

       ... that Trump was gonna like, uh, uh, you know, kind of, uh... But-

   30. Hilarious.
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   Wow. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      they're crazy, and the female are breeding. The female are running from the males and they're running right into traffic, and the males are running after them and they're running right into traffic. It's kind of nuts. It's kind ... It's a really nutty situation because it only exists because there's no predators.

   2. EGEric Goode45:13

      Wow.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      So if ... Like California has this bizarre model, and what California was like ... I mean, California is, I think the only state that doesn't have, uh, a fish and game department. They have Fish and Wildlife. And so they treat it very differently. Instead of treating it as a renewable resource where people can go and get their own food-

   4. EGEric Goode45:35

      Uh-huh.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:36

      ... and hunt animals in the wild, they treat it like w- we should have the animals take care of themselves. And so that's why it's illegal to kill a mountain lion in California, and they have a large number of mountain lions.

   6. Mm-hmm.

   7. It, it probably is under-reported.

   8. EGEric Goode45:48

      I, I have mount- I have mountain lions on my property.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:50

      Yeah.

   10. EGEric Goode45:50

       Like all the time.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       They're dangerous. They're under-reported. And they, they are a predator and they will kill people, and they, they have killed people. It's not often, but, you know, if you're on a bike, the problem with being on a bike is you're moving a little too quick-

   12. EGEric Goode46:04

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:04

       ... and their instincts take over. They think you're trying to run from them and they can't even help themselves. It's like a kitten-

   14. EGEric Goode46:08

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:08

       ... with a ball of yarn and their, their instincts-

   16. EGEric Goode46:10

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:11

       ... flip in and they just go chasing after it. But-

   18. EGEric Goode46:13

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan46:13

       ... I've seen, uh, mountain lions in the wild, and it is a sobering, sobering moment when you stare into the eyes of one of those things. You're like, "Whoa."

   20. What are you supposed to do?

   21. EGEric Goode46:23

       (laughs)

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:23

       Well, you can't do much, man.

   23. EGEric Goode46:24

       Make a lot of noise.

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:25

       You make a lot of noise.

   25. EGEric Goode46:26

       You're not, you're not supposed to run.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:27

       You don't run.

   27. Yeah.

   28. EGEric Goode46:28

       It's true, it triggers the-

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       If you, if you have a weapon, you're ... You know, you should really have that weapon ready because they will jump you. Every now and then, they jump people. There's a crazy video-

   30. The cougar.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:11:59

   It's only maims. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      r- r- remember this, Eric, we were talking about, well, there must be, like, reported human deaths in the United States with chimp attacks. And we couldn't find any.

   2. It's only maims.

   3. It's, it's only, it's only little inju-

   4. EGEric Goode1:00:10

      I mean, there are globally, but somehow-

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

      Globally, a lot of them in Africa, little kids get-

   6. EGEric Goode1:00:13

      Yeah, globally, there are.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:13

      ... get snatched and stuff.

   8. Well, kids get eaten.

   9. Kids get eaten.

   10. EGEric Goode1:00:15

       Yeah, yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:16

       But in the US, there has been no really human death caused by chimpanzee. Now, what was fascinating, and you haven't watched this yet, but in episode four, we kind of go... It comes, like, from delusion to reality, and it's heavy. Um, we filmed our first chimpanzee funeral.

   12. EGEric Goode1:00:31

       And what we didn't show, which I remember being ... I, I just remember this now-

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:35

       Mm-hmm.

   14. EGEric Goode1:00:35

       ... everyone that would come up to say their piece would share a story where they were attacked by that animal.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       Oh, God.

   16. EGEric Goode1:00:43

       It was, it was so, so ... The, the kind of juxtaposition of, of this celebration of life and these attacks i- in, in this context of a situation they shouldn't-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       Well-

   18. EGEric Goode1:00:53

       ... have ever been in, it w- it was kind of remarkable.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:00:54

       Right. And, and animal attacks in general, across the board, in roadside zoos and, and private sector are completely under-reported because people don't want their animals taken away.

   20. EGEric Goode1:01:05

       Right.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

       So if a tiger attacks someone and they have a huge laceration, they'll go to the hospital saying it was your chainsaw.

   22. EGEric Goode1:01:11

       Mm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

       You know? 'Cause the second they say, "It was my tiger or my chimp-"

   24. EGEric Goode1:01:14

       Right.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:15

       ... you know, they run the risk of losing that animal. You also have the problem with less than extraordinary people being addicted to extraordinary circumstances.

   26. EGEric Goode1:01:26

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       So if you have a boring-ass fucking life in some middle-of-nowhere town, but you also have a lion. (laughs)

   28. EGEric Goode1:01:33

       (laughs)

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:01:33

       You know? Like all of a sudden- You're cool.

   30. EGEric Goode1:01:35

       Yeah, yeah.

Episode duration: 2:27:14