Joe Rogan Experience #2203 - Eric Goode & Jeremy McBride

1. 0:00 – 2:22

   Tiger King lightning strike and the appeal of “animal people”

   1. NANarrator0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music)

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Gentlemen, thanks for being here. Please introduce yourselves.

   3. EGEric Goode0:15

      Eric Goode.

   4. JMJeremy McBride0:16

      Jeremy McBride.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      And you got, did you guys both do Tiger King as well?

   6. JMJeremy McBride0:24

      Yeah. I mean, um, I kind of came in towards the tail end. I remember meeting you about this.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:28

      Keep it th- this close to your face.

   8. JMJeremy McBride0:29

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:30

      Yeah. It's okay.

   10. JMJeremy McBride0:30

       Um...

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       You can scoot your...

   12. JMJeremy McBride0:32

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       It moves and stuff.

   14. JMJeremy McBride0:33

       Okay. Yeah. I, um, I met Eric, uh, kind of towards the tail end of filming Tiger King. Um, yeah, that was kind of the first experience I had with you.

   15. EGEric Goode0:44

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:44

       You guys, like, struck-

   17. JMJeremy McBride0:45

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       ... lightning with that, 'cause it came right at the pandemic where everyone's locked at home and everyone was like, "What the fuck is going on with these guys?"

   19. EGEric Goode0:56

       Yeah. Yeah, captive cats and captive audience.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:58

       And just crazy people. And, um, and then your new show, Chimp Crazy, is, like, basically along the same vein. And it is so odd how nutty these animal people are, these people that have captive animals at their home. It's such a bizarre... Uh, there's, there, I would, I would like to see, uh, like, a psychologist, like, like a clinical psychologist do an examination of what type of personality-

   21. EGEric Goode1:26

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:26

       ... wants to have these enormous wild animals captive in their homes.

   23. EGEric Goode1:34

       Yeah. No, for sure. Um, it, it's, um, it's incredible and, of course, that's what interests us because, you know, I'm an animal guy, but, uh, you know, you have to have interesting people to tell a good story.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:48

       Well, we are animals. That's, yeah-

   25. EGEric Goode1:50

       And we are, and we are animals.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       That's the, the weird part about it. We're this, uh, bizarre animal-

   27. EGEric Goode1:55

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:56

       ... that likes to, uh, keep animals in cages.

   29. JMJeremy McBride2:00

       (laughs)

   30. EGEric Goode2:00

       And some people think we should've been in the same genus as apes-
2. 2:22 – 4:30

   Chimp Crazy’s darkest moments, PETA alignment, and the ethics of captivity

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:22

      ... unfortunately, you know, we're just a weird animal. We're the fucking weirdest ones. But, um, the show Chimp Crazy, I'm, I just finished episode three last night, and we got to number four, and my daughter wanted to watch number four. I'm like, "I don't think I could do it." I go, I was so bummed out after episode three. I was like-

   2. EGEric Goode2:39

      What the fuck?

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:39

      ... "Oh, my god." The, I mean, I don't wanna give away anything for people who haven't watched the series yet. I highly recommend it. It's really fucking good. (Blows out air) But episode three, man, is, it's like, it's like there's something about... F- first of all, this is one of the rare times where I'm fully with PETA. (laughs)

   4. JMJeremy McBride3:01

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:01

      When you're, you know, it's like when you side with PETA on things, it's like you know, like, this is, this gotta be an e- egregious example of something absolutely horrific. And, um, you know, the one situation where the woman who was so drunk, kept the chimp and then it attacked her daughter and the, the whole thing, it's like, uh, at the end of the show, I was like, "Oh, my god. I don't know if I can keep doing this."

   6. EGEric Goode3:24

      Yeah. No, it's interesting you mention PETA because I'm not fully aligned with PETA on a number of things. But in this case, I, I am aligned with PETA. Um, but just to touch on PETA-

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:38

      (laughs)

   8. EGEric Goode3:38

      ... you know, you know, I work with reptiles and I try to save turtles and tortoises, which, um, actually are the most endangered group of animals along with primates. Uh, if you-

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:49

      Turtles and tortoises? Really?

   10. EGEric Goode3:50

       If you think about the percentage that are on the brink of extinction, over half of primates are on the brink of extinction and over half are turtles and tortoises.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       I had no idea.

   12. EGEric Goode3:59

       But where I, uh, am not aligned with PETA is when you have to make a choice between, you know, eradicating a rat that's killing off the last Galapagos tortoises or, or eradicate a mongoose that was introduced that's killing off, you know, an iguana in the Caribbean. I will make that choice. PETA basically views it as the rat has rights just as much as the tortoise.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:22

       Mm-hmm.

   14. EGEric Goode4:22

       And I'd like to have the tortoise around for future generations. So, um, so I'm not always aligned with PETA, but in this case, yes.

   15. JMJeremy McBride4:29

       (clears throat)

3. 4:30 – 6:12

   Pets, domestication, and why chimpanzees aren’t “just like dogs”

   1. JRJoe Rogan4:30

      Well, they, they have a background with the Animal Liberation Organization, which essentially doesn't think that any animals-

   2. JMJeremy McBride4:36

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan4:37

      ... should be captive. And I, I do understand their point, but then you have Carl. How do you... How's Carl gonna not have an owner? How's l- how's little Carl over there-

   4. JMJeremy McBride4:51

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan4:51

      ... not gonna be fed?

   6. EGEric Goode4:52

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      I mean, do you want French bulldogs to go extinct? 'Cause they will. They can't even breed.

   8. EGEric Goode4:56

      If you did a poll and asked how many people at PETA keep dogs, it's like 95%.

   9. JRJoe Rogan5:01

      Which is crazy.

   10. EGEric Goode5:02

       So it's a little hypocritical if they don't want people to have pets.

   11. JRJoe Rogan5:05

       Well, you know, it's one of those things. It's like the, uh, how it starts and how it's going.

   12. JMJeremy McBride5:10

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan5:10

       You know? Like what, what did-

   14. JMJeremy McBride5:11

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan5:11

       ... where did it start from? You know, it start... And I see their po- look, all dogs are a horrible misjustice that's been done to wolves. Like we've-

   16. JMJeremy McBride5:24

       Yeah.

   17. EGEric Goode5:24

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:24

       ... somehow or another, we have, uh, become friends with wolves and turned them into these strange things. But the reality of life in 2024 is we have dogs, you know? And, you know, dogs need owners and they, they love you and they... It's a great relationship. Like...

   19. JMJeremy McBride5:41

       But it's in their genetics, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:42

       Yeah.

   21. JMJeremy McBride5:42

       I mean, they've been-

   22. EGEric Goode5:43

       Thousand, thousand-

   23. JMJeremy McBride5:44

       ... genetically modified thousands and thousands of years.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       Sure, thousands and thousands of years.

   25. EGEric Goode5:46

       We... We-

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:46

       Right. It's like saying that we-

   27. JMJeremy McBride5:47

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       ... should be going back to chimps.

   29. JMJeremy McBride5:49

       Sure.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:49

       We should live in the jungle.
4. 6:12 – 8:04

   The documentary “point”: reaching the unconverted with character-driven storytelling

   1. EGEric Goode6:12

      But it's ... You know, back to what you said a minute ago about making these movies, I just wanna touch on, you know, why we do this, 'cause a lot of people miss the point of Tiger King even. Um-

   2. JRJoe Rogan6:23

      There's a point?

   3. EGEric Goode6:24

      Yeah, there's a point.

   4. JRJoe Rogan6:25

      I think I missed it. (laughs)

   5. EGEric Goode6:28

      (laughs) Well, we were really trying to get Joe Exotic elected president.

   6. JRJoe Rogan6:31

      (laughs)

   7. EGEric Goode6:31

      That was the point. Um, no, but the point was that a lot of docs, man, are great and they, they are really informative, but they preach to the converted, people that already know the issue.

   8. JRJoe Rogan6:44

      Mm-hmm.

   9. EGEric Goode6:44

      You know, like The Cove or ... And they're great.

   10. JRJoe Rogan6:46

       Right.

   11. EGEric Goode6:47

       And, you know, what we wanted to do is preach to people that don't know about the issues, so you had to cast ... You had to get a lot of e- eyeballs on it to make a difference, right?

   12. JRJoe Rogan6:55

       Right.

   13. EGEric Goode6:56

       So that was sort of the goal of both Tiger King and Chimp Crazy-

   14. JRJoe Rogan7:00

       Well-

   15. EGEric Goode7:00

       ... in the end.

   16. JRJoe Rogan7:01

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5. 8:04 – 10:45

   Private big cats, Texas exotics, and what captivity does to predators

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:04

      ZipRecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Well, I think you definitely did that. I mean, I, I had a joke in one of my earlier comedy specials about Texas and tigers. And I don't know- Hm. ... the, the statistics, but there's nor- more tigers in captivity in Texas than all the wild of the world.

   2. EGEric Goode8:19

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:19

      In private collections. They're not in zoos, in people's yards.

   4. EGEric Goode8:23

      Yep.

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:23

      There's these wacky-

   6. EGEric Goode8:24

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:24

      ... people that have fucking tigers in their backyards. Mm.

   8. EGEric Goode8:28

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:28

      And there's a lot of ... There's thousands of tigers in Texas-

   10. EGEric Goode8:33

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan8:33

       ... that are in people's yards.

   12. EGEric Goode8:34

       Yeah. Yeah, that statistic has been going around for a long time. That may change, um, but yes, they used to say there's more than 3,000 tigers in Texas and there's less than 3,000 tigers in the wild.

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       Yeah.

   14. EGEric Goode8:47

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:47

       They think there's 5,000 in Texas. (laughs)

   16. EGEric Goode8:49

       Wow. Yeah, yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:51

       Believe it. Well, you know, there's also other animals that are in Texas that are exotics, like, uh, a scimitar oryx, which is, uh, very rare in the wild-

   18. EGEric Goode9:03

       Yep.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:03

       ... and is endangered in the wild, but is so common in Texas that you can hunt them.

   20. EGEric Goode9:07

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:08

       And they have them on these enormous ranches, you know, 30,000, 50,000 acres and they're wild, but they live wild. I don't have a problem with that.

   22. EGEric Goode9:16

       No.

   23. JRJoe Rogan9:16

       Like if they could figure out a way to actually ensure that tigers could be kept in a 60,000 acre preserve and, you know, you had adequate funding to where the, the fences were completely monitored every day to make sure that they don't get out and kill people, th- you're talking about a different thing. But what you're mostly getting is small enclosures of tortured animals who are fed cold meat, and that is not what they want, it's not what nature intended them ... Th- they're the cleanup crew. They're everything that has a limp, anything that's slow, they, they keep populations down, they make sure there's not an overpopulation problem of ungulates. That's what tigers do. That's, that's what they do in the wild. And so they're ... All of their instincts, everything, their essence of their being is all stifled by being captive. You know, we were talking about giraffes, that they're the only animal-

   24. EGEric Goode10:10

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:10

       ... that I don't have a problem with at the zoo.

   26. EGEric Goode10:12

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:12

       Because they're so chill.

   28. EGEric Goode10:13

       Yeah.

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       They're so chill, babies feed them. When my daughters were young we'd take them to the zoo and you could hold a piece of lettuce and the giraffe with his giant fucking head that's like as big as this table would come over and gently take the lettuce with their tongue. And we're so confident that they have no aggression towards people that we allow little babies to feed giraffes.

   30. EGEric Goode10:35

       Yeah.
6. 10:45 – 18:47

   Zoos under scrutiny: misery, enrichment, and where animals come from

   1. EGEric Goode10:45

      Yeah, yeah. No, for sure. And I think it's incredible that in the day that we live in, in 2024, that in the consciousness of the c- you know, culture, the ... That we still keep certain animals in zoos that really are miserable, you know?

   2. JRJoe Rogan11:00

      Yeah.

   3. EGEric Goode11:00

      Those are things like, you know, the whales and cetaceans and-

   4. JRJoe Rogan11:03

      Yes.

   5. EGEric Goode11:04

      ... and elephants are not happy in zoos, and-

   6. JRJoe Rogan11:07

      Monkeys.

   7. EGEric Goode11:07

      And most, and most primates-

   8. JRJoe Rogan11:09

      Yeah.

   9. EGEric Goode11:09

      ... are not happy in zoos. Um, and they ... Yes, and I think there are animals that lend themselves more, I like to say, to being in captivity than, than s-

   10. JRJoe Rogan11:18

       Yes. Like giraffes. I think giraffes is the only example.

   11. EGEric Goode11:21

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan11:21

       (laughs)

   13. EGEric Goode11:21

       Or a, or a giant tortoise maybe?

   14. JRJoe Rogan11:24

       Yeah, that's a good example too. Solitary animals, yeah.

   15. EGEric Goode11:25

       That's a good example too.

   16. JRJoe Rogan11:26

       Solitary an- Well, e- even at ... Just animals that just don't ... They're just happy that there's no predators.

   17. EGEric Goode11:31

       Sure, yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan11:31

       And then they're relaxed.

   19. EGEric Goode11:33

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan11:33

       But, uh, the last time I went to a zoo, um, my daughters were ... They were y- younger, uh, but not, not like babies, and we were in Denver and, uh, I was there for a gig and, uh, we, we went to the zoo and ... Oh, man. To this day it haunts me.

   21. EGEric Goode11:51

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan11:52

       There's this primate enclosure and this one monkey was just screaming, just screaming like in agony, like being tortured. Just, "Ah!" Just holding onto the bars and screaming because he was by himself and just ...

   23. ... the, this tiny little cage-

   24. EGEric Goode12:13

       Hmm.

   25. JRJoe Rogan12:13

       ... and there was nowhere to go and people were just staring at him all day.

   26. EGEric Goode12:17

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan12:17

       And he was just losing his fucking mind. I'm like, "I don't wanna do this anymore. I can't..." 'Cause I felt super hypocritical because I've, I've always had, like, an issue... 'cause it's animal prison. It's animal prison for animals that did nothing wrong.

   28. EGEric Goode12:28

       You know, I was at the, uh, the Singapore Zoo once, which is a good zoo for zoos in Asia. It's one of the best zoos, maybe the best zoo, along with the Taipei Zoo. But there was a polar bear at the Singapore Zoo, you know, this is like 95% humidity, 90 degrees.

   29. JRJoe Rogan12:46

       (sighs)

   30. EGEric Goode12:46

       And it was green 'cause it was covered in a, a film of algae.
7. 18:47 – 25:07

   Extinction, rewilding limits, and conservation trade-offs (condors, ferrets, thylacines)

   1. JRJoe Rogan18:47

      It's torture for them to have an enclosed space where it's small. It's torture for them to not be able to express their natural instincts. I mean, there's, it's one thing if you're talking about something like the thylacine, right? Where they, they kept them in captivity and the, the last known survivors, and you had this thing and, like, "Wow, now we have video of this thing," and now it doesn't exist anymore.

   2. EGEric Goode19:08

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan19:08

      So the zoos were, like, the last hope to try to keep this thing from going ex- extinct. And it may not be extinct. There's a lot of-

   4. NANarrator19:14

      Yeah, seed banks.

   5. EGEric Goode19:15

      Yeah, the Tasmanian tiger. Yeah.

   6. NANarrator19:16

      Yeah.

   7. EGEric Goode19:16

      That was eerie footage of the last ones.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:19

      Yeah. They, they think there might actually be living specimens that are alive and, you know, there's-

   9. NANarrator19:25

      Well, in this state, they're bringing them back

   10. EGEric Goode19:27

       I know you know Forrest Gallant.

   11. JRJoe Rogan19:28

       Yeah.

   12. NANarrator19:28

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan19:28

       Yeah, I was just about to bring up Forrest.

   14. EGEric Goode19:29

       And, and I also have colleagues that have gone looking for thylacines in the, uh, the highlands of New Guinea. So far, yeah, people anecdotally say, "Yes, there might be a thylacine."

   15. JRJoe Rogan19:38

       Right.

   16. NANarrator19:39

       Yeah.

   17. EGEric Goode19:39

       Um, but I ... It's unlikely, but there might be, but yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:42

       Well, they're very hard to fi- ... I mean, like, try finding a wolverine.

   19. EGEric Goode19:46

       (laughs)

   20. NANarrator19:46

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan19:46

       You know, there's ... Wolverine populations are pretty healthy-

   22. EGEric Goode19:48

       Yeah.

   23. NANarrator19:48

       Yeah. Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan19:48

       ... but good, good luck finding one.

   25. EGEric Goode19:50

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan19:50

       They're very, very, very difficult to find.

   27. EGEric Goode19:52

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:52

       Unless you spend an enormous amount of time alone in the bush.

   29. EGEric Goode19:55

       Yeah. Good point.

   30. NANarrator19:56

       Mm-hmm.
8. 25:07 – 34:58

   Coyotes, urban ecosystems, and how humans reshape predator success

   1. EGEric Goode25:07

      But there, forever, forever, there was a bounty on coyotes-

   2. JRJoe Rogan25:11

      Yeah.

   3. EGEric Goode25:11

      ... where if you brought in two ears, you got like a buck.

   4. JRJoe Rogan25:14

      Mm-hmm.

   5. EGEric Goode25:15

      And people would bring in 100 sets of ears and get $100. I mean, they were vilified. When I grew up in-

   6. JRJoe Rogan25:22

      Sure.

   7. EGEric Goode25:22

      ... California, the ranchers next to us, which were sheep ranchers 'cause sheep are dumb and coyotes can get sheep easier than, you know, calves.

   8. JRJoe Rogan25:29

      Mm-hmm.

   9. EGEric Goode25:30

      They would trap the coyote with those, you know, those horrible traps. They'd pour gasoline on them, they'd light them on fire and let them run off burning. I mean, they, they hate coyotes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan25:39

       They do.

   11. EGEric Goode25:40

       Which is really unfair. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan25:41

       (laughs)

   13. EGEric Goode25:41

       They do.

   14. JRJoe Rogan25:41

       Well, they're cool, you know? They're just not cool if they eat your cat, you know?

   15. EGEric Goode25:45

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:45

       Yeah.

   17. But they're a fascinating animal. I mean, I-

   18. Yeah.

   19. ... I remember when I first saw them, I moved to California in '94 and I was staying at a... Do you know what the Oakwood Gardens are? It's like those pre-

   20. Hmm.

   21. They're, they're pre-furnished apartments that you just rent, like people that are-

   22. EGEric Goode25:59

       Right.

   23. JRJoe Rogan25:59

       ... sort of transient, just moving to-

   24. Oh, yeah. Okay.

   25. They allow you to, like, have a place before you get a place.

   26. Like corporate apartment, yeah.

   27. EGEric Goode26:04

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan26:04

       And, uh, I was driving... So it was in Burbank, and I was driving down the street and I was like, "Who are these fucking dogs?"

   29. EGEric Goode26:10

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan26:11

       Like, "What is going on? What are these dogs running around?" And then I, I drove up, I... I had never seen a coyote before.
9. 34:58 – 47:41

   Inside Chimp Crazy: Tonka, legality, ‘monkey moms,’ and how filmmakers gain access

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:58

      Um, I haven't seen episode four, so I don't know. Uh, but when you guys were filming, um, again, spoiler alert. Please, if you're watching the series, stop right now and scoot ahead by a few minutes. Um, when they found that Tonka was in the basement, and when, when I saw their film... When you guys were filming it-

   2. Mm-hmm.

   3. EGEric Goode35:16

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan35:16

      ... I was like, "Jesus Christ, this lady is so crazy. She's showing everybody."

   5. EGEric Goode35:20

      I know.

   6. JRJoe Rogan35:21

      And she's... And she's... She has...

   7. EGEric Goode35:25

      I know.

   8. JRJoe Rogan35:25

      With, with, like all due respect, she's, she just does not seem like a smart person. And she's almost like, like if you gave her an IQ test-

   9. EGEric Goode35:34

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan35:35

       ... like, and then gave a chimp an IQ test, it'd be a toss-up.

   11. EGEric Goode35:38

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan35:39

       You know? I mean, I think that's part of the problem.

   13. (laughs)

   14. 'cause I don't think this lady understands the consequences of what she's doing, just like she doesn't understand how crazy her eyelashes look.

   15. EGEric Goode35:47

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan35:48

       You know, like all of it is just... There's-

   17. Yeah.

   18. There's some fuses that are missing, some wires that aren't connected.

   19. EGEric Goode35:53

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:53

       And then because of the fact that at one point in time at least it was legal for her to do what she was doing and they, they've become accustomed to being able to ha-... And then their identity revolves around they're the person that has all the monkeys and all the chimpanzees. It was just fucking weird.

   21. EGEric Goode36:12

       Well, it's still legal, uh, to be... It's, it's still legal.

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:15

       It is still... I thought they changed it.

   23. No, there's no federal law, uh, preventing ownership of chimpanzees and-

   24. Jesus Christ, you can own a fucking chimp still?

   25. Right. There's 20 or so states legally you can do it.

   26. Oh, my God. I thought-

   27. Uh, Missouri is one of them.

   28. Oh, my God.

   29. But, you know, background. We, um, we spent about four years making this documentary series. Um-

   30. First of all, how did you start?
10. 47:41 – 1:14:50

    Chimp danger and distortion: intelligence, escape risk, and captivity’s weird consequences

    1. EGEric Goode47:41

       You know, you know,, uh, in the course of making Tiger King, I would interview people about tigers and how, you know, what: it's like keeping 100 tigers, and people would always say to me, "I'd rather have 100 tigers than one chimp." And p- and that's because chimps, you know, and everyone thinks, "Oh, tigers are so dangerous," but chimps can figure shit out. And one of the chronic problems keeping chimps is that they can figure out how to escape-

    2. JRJoe Rogan48:09

       (laughs)

    3. EGEric Goode48:09

       ... and so you can never use a combination lock 'cause they'll sit there all day and figure it out.

    4. JRJoe Rogan48:13

       Oh my God.

    5. EGEric Goode48:13

       And you gotta use oftentimes like three layers of locks.

    6. JRJoe Rogan48:17

       Yeah.

    7. EGEric Goode48:17

       And I- I'm just bringing it back to chimps because-

    8. JRJoe Rogan48:19

       (laughs)

    9. EGEric Goode48:19

       ... you know. If people think, "Oh, it's a chimp. It's so cute. It's in the circus." Trust me, it's a lot easier to have a tiger act than a chimp act.

    10. JRJoe Rogan48:27

        Oh, I could, I could imagine. And also, when I was watching, um, this lady's enclosure, I was looking at the steel that's drilled into wood and I'm like, "I could get out of that."

    11. EGEric Goode48:39

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan48:40

        I could get out of there 100%. The way, the way that thing is bolted into the woods, all you have to do is kick that door enough.

    13. EGEric Goode48:45

        Yeah.

    14. JRJoe Rogan48:45

        You kick that door hard enough and that wood'll give out.

    15. EGEric Goode48:47

        Mm-hmm. Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan48:47

        It's the wood that you're... It looks like you're encaged in, in steel bars, but the steel bars are connected by wood. Wood's easy for a chimp to break. They are so much fucking stronger than, than us.

    17. EGEric Goode48:59

        Yeah, yeah.

    18. JRJoe Rogan48:59

        If that thing knew that it could just grab those bars-

    19. EGEric Goode49:02

        Yeah. It would-

    20. JRJoe Rogan49:02

        ... and slam and slam.

    21. EGEric Goode49:03

        It would've worked g- it would have worked on that all day. Yeah.

    22. JRJoe Rogan49:05

        100%, it would've got through.

    23. EGEric Goode49:06

        Yeah, yeah.

    24. JRJoe Rogan49:06

        You, you would've had to figure out a way, way, way better cage, especially the one that she put in her home.

    25. EGEric Goode49:10

        You know? I'll tell you a really weird story that I just never would have thought, um, in a million years about a chimp. I was, uh, interviewing a guy in Kenya that had a chimpanzee. And the keeper was this blonde woman and all the chimp ever saw was this blonde woman. So, he started... The guy gave the chimp Playboy, and then it graduated to porn. And the chimp, because it never seen other chimps, he was raised in isolation, started re- thinking it was human and started i- sexually identifying with this woman that was keeping it and started, you know, bec- it started becoming sort of addicted to pornography.

    26. JRJoe Rogan49:47

        Whoa.

    27. EGEric Goode49:47

        So just to give you (laughs) an odd, weird sort of segue.

    28. JRJoe Rogan49:50

        Whoa.

    29. EGEric Goode49:51

        But how crazy? And, and, and you know, like these chimps, they'll have a favorite show. Like, like I remember a, a group with them in South Africa, all they watched was Avatar. But a- anyway, just, uh, back to sort of how-

    30. JRJoe Rogan50:03

        How ironic.

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