Joe Rogan Experience #2208 - Brigham Buhler

1. 0:00 – 15:00

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      The Joe Rogan Experience.

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   4. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      (laughs) So- so tell me what it's like to testify in front of the Senate. What is that like?

   5. BBBrigham Buhler0:19

      Man, it was pretty wild. Uh, it all transpired so fast. I got a call from, uh, Calley Means, we've become pretty good buddies. I know you're having him and his sister, Casey, on the podcast. Uh, brilliant folks that are just patient advocates. I mean, at the end of the day, uh, they had the same experiences I had. Calley a little bit different walk of life, he was a lobbyist. Casey was a doctor, Stanford-trained surgeon, uh, realized that she was in a system where they didn't really heal people, they just treated symptoms and profiteered off disease states, and she said, "There's gotta be a better way." So their voice rung so loud after, I think, they did Tucker, that, uh, it led to momentum. And then, because of you having me on the podcast, that's how I met, uh, RFK. And so, Bobby's team had reached out to me, maybe about a year and a half ago, to come up to Dallas while he was doing a campaign there, and sit down with him. And he was just asking 100 questions about what's going on, and, "What did you see on the pharmaceutical side?" and, "What did you see owning pharmacies and billing insurance companies?" And so, when they had an opportunity to put this team together to testify in front of the Senate, the goal was to create a non-partisan group of individuals to take a new, fresh approach to what is going on with chronic disease in America, uh, because the chronic disease crisis is at an all-time high. I mean, we could go through all the statistics, and I know that Casey and Calley will when they're on here, so I don't wanna steal their thunder, but it's staggering. I mean, close to anywhere between 1.7 to 1.9 million people are dying a year of chronic disease. We talk a lot about war. Since the dawn of this country, roughly estimated between 1.3 to 1.5 million people total have died in war, American lives. So in a year, we're losing more people to chronic disease than all the wars combined.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:11

      Wow.

   7. BBBrigham Buhler2:11

      And we're not talking about it. So to me, I was excited when they said, "Hey, the Senate's willing to- to hear," and that's the beauty of a democracy. They- they did let us come in there and candidly take a dump on the (laughs) Senate floor on what's going on with this healthcare system-

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:26

      Was any-

   9. BBBrigham Buhler2:26

      ... and really dig into the weeds.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:28

       Did anybody try to take the side of the pharmaceutical drug industry? Did anybody question you or try to push back?

   11. BBBrigham Buhler2:34

       So prior, you do a debrief. So we did do a roundtable prior to going into the communal roundtable in front of the public eye, which they had no idea what was coming. They- they- they- the Senate didn't expect it. We had assembled a grassroots effort to get the word out there, and over 2,000 people took off from work. These are... This is a Senate hearing. Over 2,000 hardworking Americans took time from their busy day, flew to DC, had to sit in an overflow room to listen to these testimonies, and the level of feedback from people, from like real humans, real world people, was staggering. I mean, people afterwards came up in tears, sharing their story of how the system had let them down or a loved one down, misdiagnoses, like all the different issues that they've dealt with trying to navigate this system. Um, and to the Senators' credit, you know, behind closed doors, they- they did say, "You probably don't wanna go ultra hard after the food industry or ultra hard after the pharmaceutical industry, because it may limit our ability to get things done," but they did-

   12. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       How- how did they phrase that?

   13. BBBrigham Buhler3:44

       Um, they just said, "You catch more flies with honey than you do vinegar." And, you know, me, Calley, and the other folks that sat on this panel, um, you know, our goal was to just share our stories and share what we saw. And so my- my testimony, in particular, was really more about the human side, you know? There's so many staggering datas and statistics and numbers, but behind all that is a person. Like that's all I wanted people to understand. These are human lives, you know? When Jelly Roll testified, I think he said there's equivalent to a 747 jet worth of people die of opioids a day, and-

   14. JRJoe Rogan4:20

       (sighs)

   15. BBBrigham Buhler4:20

       ... that's insane. And that all started with the lapses in the FDA and the drug regulatory market, and we know that, you know, there's an argument out there, I know Calley released the number of 50 plus percent of the FDA's funding comes from big pharma. When it comes to drugs alone, 75% of the drug funding comes from the pharmaceutical companies themselves. And so, there's a big market there. Um, and with big pharma spending over eight billion dollars a year advertising, that's more than the entire sum of the FDA's budget.

   16. JRJoe Rogan4:53

       Eight billion dollars a year just in advertisement. Imagine how much-

   17. BBBrigham Buhler4:58

       That's crazy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan4:58

       ... they're making that- that can afford eight billion dollars just in advertising.

   19. BBBrigham Buhler5:02

       Yeah. It's insane.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:04

       And those ads are wild.

   21. BBBrigham Buhler5:04

       But what I saw is... The truth is, my hope is that people listen and the American people fight. We can fight with our pocketbooks. We can fight through our choices as citizens. Do I have faith that the government's gonna fix these problems overnight? I don't. But at least we're having the conversation. And to their credit, they let us speak freely. They didn't put a censor on us. They, you know, they tried to give us some coaching, you know (laughs) to say, "Hey, if you go this route, just understand there's gonna be blowback," and, you know, we're here to get progress on these topics, not, you know, burn the house down type deal. Um, and then I did have some... And it was- it was a bipartisan effort, so some of the senators in the room had mentioned, "Well, the American people just want a pill, you know. They don't really want a solution that... They're not... They're looking for an easy way out," and I pushed back. I, and it's funny, 'cause one of the moms that was there was like, "Oh my God, I can't believe you were just dropping F-bombs in that meeting," but I'm like, "I think you're fucking wrong." I mean, after being in healthcare since I was 20 years old, what I see is people struggling for answers. People are in the pit of despair.

   22. JRJoe Rogan6:12

       Who was saying that the American people just want a pill?

   23. BBBrigham Buhler6:15

       Um, I don't want to name any names, but one of the senators there was saying, in his experience, people are looking for the easy way out. And, a- and I don't, I don't think that's the case. I think people are looking for hope.

   24. JRJoe Rogan6:26

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   25. BBBrigham Buhler7:30

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan7:30

       And this is the problem, the advertising, that $8 billion a year, it leads you to believe that there is some sort of a solution in the bottom of a prescription bottle.

   27. BBBrigham Buhler7:39

       Yep.

   28. JRJoe Rogan7:40

       And that's not real. That's the problem-

   29. BBBrigham Buhler7:43

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan7:43

       ... is that they've been misled so long and for so far down the line, and here they are chronically ill, suffering, and they're hoping it's the next pill.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   You can't dismiss someone…

   1. BBBrigham Buhler15:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      You can't dismiss someone who's giving out factual information because they're a so-called influencer. Some people-

   3. BBBrigham Buhler15:06

      Yeah.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:06

      ... get into influencing w- for a good cause.

   5. BBBrigham Buhler15:09

      100%.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:10

      And, and they have real valid information, and they collect that valid information and distribute it, and that's how they get a following.

   7. BBBrigham Buhler15:17

      And, and, uh, you know, even vo- uh, Vonnie is the food babe. Vonnie, her battle has helped r- remove ingredients from certain states, stop chemicals in certain food sources. They're actually going to march to Kellogg on the 10th of next month to hand a petition signed by over 100,000 Americans coming out the tail end of that, asking them to remove dangerous chemicals that they don't put in food products in other countries and just match it. That's all they were asking. Hey, why don't we just match what you're doing outside the US in all these other countries where they've said these products aren't safe? Why are we allowing you, a mulligan, on the US population (laughs) when it comes to food? And they've never been studied. That's the other wild thing. The FDA doesn't have the bandwidth to study every time a new ingredient's added to a food source. So, you and I have gone down the rabbit hole on the FDA's attempt to try and regulate and reign in big industry like big pharma and big medical, and I know I've told your listeners before, over 90% of the products in the operating room have never been through an FDA human safety trial. It's, it was an entity built at a time to serve a purpose, and I just think they're drowning. I, and I think there's a lot of industry influence and spit being swapped that can skew decisions and viewpoints, and that's dangerous.

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:37

      It is dangerous. It's dangerous and it's spooky that you get pushback after that. So, let's, let's talk about the pushback, because it was immediately afterwards you started texting me like-

   9. BBBrigham Buhler16:45

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:45

       ... "Dude, holy shit-

   11. BBBrigham Buhler16:47

       (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:47

       "... these hit pieces are nuts." 'Cause you could see the machine moving against you.

   13. BBBrigham Buhler16:51

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       So, you could see that someone saw this Senate hearing, realized that it could potentially have an impact, and tried to do their best to mitigate those potentially positive effects for the health of American people. But it could cost them money, so they started pumping money into these media outlets. And-

   15. BBBrigham Buhler17:09

       Absolutely. And this is what I've seen before, owning a compounding pharmacy. Uh, I, when I went on Jillian Michaels' podcast, she was ... She is very opinionated and, and passionate about this, and it took me 10 minutes to explain to her that compounding pharmacies aren't bad guys. And because she had only heard the corporate media narrative of, "Compounding pharmacies are dangerous, people are getting drugs from these compounding pharmacies that are in garages, and they're just willy-nilly making compounds and shipping them into the marketplace." And I had to methodically walk her through, "Compounding pharmacies fall under the FDA's jurisdiction. Compound ... My pharmacy's been inspected three times in 18 months. Every single ingredient we buy is an FDA approved ingredient. Every single compound we compound, we send off to an independent third-party lab to verify." Okay? And I say all this just to lay the groundwork. T- we've treated over a million patient lives at Way- I mean at, uh, re- our pharmacy, over a million patient lives nationwide, uh, and-What they do in that environment is they, the media will list any recall, any mistake a pharma, compounding pharmacy makes, but sweep under the rug that big pharmaceutical companies like Eli Lilly and Pfizer have moved most of their manufacturing overseas, where the FDA has to submit before they can come do an inspection, and has to give them two months' notice because they're coming into a foreign country. And they've gotta get visas and approvals and all these things to come inspect those facilities. They can't just walk in like they walk into my facility. And so Lilly, Eli Lilly in particular, one of the reasons they're struggling with back orders right now is their facilities have been popped for egregious action by the FDA. But none of that is in the public eye. You have to scour, I think, Reuters is the only one that wrote an article. But Little Compounding Pharmacy in Texas recalls 28 vials proactively for a mislabel, and The New York Post makes it national news? But you didn't cover Eli Lilly's nationwide issues on all these products or the fact that over 2,000 manufacturing facilities owned by big pharma haven't been inspected in five or more years? It's just not good journalism. It's not-

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:24

       Well, it just goes back to that-

   17. BBBrigham Buhler19:24

       It doesn't have integrity.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:25

       ... $8 billion.

   19. BBBrigham Buhler19:26

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:26

       That $8 billion has an effect. I'm sure these journalists aren't sitting there watching this Senate hearing going, "You know what? I'm outraged. I feel like these people are full of shit. I'm gonna help the American people and write this piece criticizing it." No. They're probably being instructed.

   21. BBBrigham Buhler19:40

       Well, she gave us the, she sent us and said, it was very vague. I get a voicemail, "We wanna write an article on your pharmacy." I find out at 3:00. I'm in meetings. We draft a response explaining all the things we do to go above and beyond and how our, our vision is to bring, you know, cost-effective prescription drugs to the American people, for pennies on the dollar, typically less than your co-pay or deductible. What part of that... And in this article at the end, I shit you not, the girl puts, "And by the way, Eli Lilly's slicing prices by 50% on their weight-loss drug." That's how the article ends.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:14

       (laughs)

   23. BBBrigham Buhler20:14

       And I'm like, "How is this not an advertisement?"

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:17

       (laughs)

   25. BBBrigham Buhler20:17

       And so I looked, and now that I've, uh, I've seen it when I was a drug rep, I saw it when I owned pharmacies and labs, I saw it as a device rep, but I went and looked and said, "Okay, who owns The New York Post?" And when you peel back the layers to that onion, The New York Post majority holders of stock are Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street. Now, let's go look at who are the majority owners into Eli Lilly. Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:46

       (laughs)

   27. BBBrigham Buhler20:46

       So the same folks who own the pharmaceutical companies, who have the most to gain by keeping the narrative the same and driving America towards the chronic disease crisis and monetizing your chronic disease, with all the things you and I have discussed before, whether pharmacy benefit managers, insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, front to back, top to bottom, we've lost our way. We really have lost our way, Joe. It's all about quarterly earnings and quarterly profits. And I'm not saying that they're intentionally poisoning the American people to set them up so that they can knock them down. I just think it's so siloed and so compartmentalized, and everybody's fighting for that extra dollar, that quarter, that day, that month, that they're just blocking and tackling and preventing the narrative from rising in their siloed bucket. But you have to, like in humans, we have to take a look out and go, "Hey, I'm not just treating your knee or your brain health or your heart health. The body is an organism that works together." We have to do a deeper dive to assess where the disease started, what caused it, and can we uncover the root cause and fix the root cause? We have to do the same thing in, in our systems and our protocols and our procedures. We know that corporate capture is real. We know that corporate capture has somewhat happened with the FDA, somewhat happened with Congress and the Senate. You know, everyone's scared to fight these guys, and they can wreck your lives. It's scary. And it's hard to fight when they control the media, they control all the funding to the advertising on the news networks.

   28. JRJoe Rogan22:23

       God.

   29. BBBrigham Buhler22:23

       I mean, good luck getting a story out there.

   30. JRJoe Rogan22:26

       It's so weird that they've been able to do this for so long in such a shifty way. It really is.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   No question. …

   1. BBBrigham Buhler30:00

      And I don't think ... It's not that it was th- ... I don't think everyone's in on it. I think people are being duped, and it's so siloed. That's one of the other things you and I have talked about historically with medicine. Medicine's so siloed. They don't look at the full human body. They look at, "I'm a knee guy, and I'm gonna look at the knee," or, "I'm a mental health specialist, and I'm gonna talk to this patient about their mental health." But your mental health is intertwined with your physical health. Your mental health, and, and this is what Dr. Palmer from Harvard talks about, you know, if we have metabolic disease and all these metabolic crises, you're, it's going to lead to mental health issues. They-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:35

      No question.

   3. BBBrigham Buhler30:36

      They're, they're-

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:36

      Well, there, there's been proven studies that show that SSRIs aren't as effective as exercise, by a large measurable amount.

   5. BBBrigham Buhler30:44

      Mm-hmm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:44

      Like, exercise is more effective at curing depression and treating depression than SSRIs. That's a fact.

   7. BBBrigham Buhler30:50

      Yep.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:51

      ... but, you know, you can't make money off of someone running around this block unless you sell them sneakers.

   9. BBBrigham Buhler30:56

      Yeah. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:57

       (laughs)

   11. BBBrigham Buhler30:58

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:58

       You could only sell them one pair of sneakers, like, every six months.

   13. BBBrigham Buhler31:01

       Well, and we're -- and the, uh, what scares me-

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:03

       At the most.

   15. BBBrigham Buhler31:03

       ... and again, not, not to shit on the GLP-1s, because we, we prescribe GLP-1s, we utilize GLP-1s. They are a tool in the tool belt, and when utilized appropriately, they can help people. But a hammer can kill someone if used inappropriately.

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:18

       Right.

   17. BBBrigham Buhler31:18

       And so, if we make it our frontline defense, and again, we go back to the chronic disease crisis in America, and we say, "Okay, the food system's broke, then the people end up chronically ill," then we don't really assess people until... And our, and our, our assessment tools in a primary care market are based off a sick patient population. If we base the demographic off the average American that is dying of chronic diseases, and that is our measuring stick, then why are we shocked when we continue to have a boom in people dying of chronic diseases and being diagnosed with chronic diseases? Cancer, all-time high. There, I think there's gonna be two million new cases of cancer diagnosed this year. Every single chronic disease is through the roof. The system is not working.

   18. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       I wanna talk about you, because one of the things that's interesting about this is, like, you were unhealthy at one point in time.

   19. BBBrigham Buhler32:12

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan32:12

       And you were overweight, and this is how you kind of started this journey, and maybe a lot of people aren't aware of that.

   21. BBBrigham Buhler32:17

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan32:17

       Like, you weren't... You, you had to learn all this stuff, and you had to learn all this stuff through your own personal health crisis.

   23. BBBrigham Buhler32:24

       Yeah. I was, um, what was I? 29, 30 years old? Uh, early 30s. And I was 25% body fat, pre-diabetic, headed towards all the same chronic diseases that we're talking about. And I needed-

   24. JRJoe Rogan32:38

       What was your diet like?

   25. BBBrigham Buhler32:40

       Uh, my diet, I had to... Well, originally, my diet was terrible. It was a tr- traditional American diet, right? So, I, I was a surgical rep, and I had to be in the OR by 7:00 AM, and so I would go do CrossFit every morning, then I'd go to the OR, I'd be in cases all day. I would eat whatever I could. I would drink a Starbucks frappuccino, not realizing there's 1,800 calories of sugar and chemicals and no nutrients. I just didn't know. And I grew up in a family, again, a foster family, where we were middle class America, but in, maybe it was the '80s, eating healthy was like eating wheat bread instead of white bread.

   26. JRJoe Rogan33:15

       Right.

   27. BBBrigham Buhler33:15

       It was eating, uh, low-fat Lay's potato chips and a Diet Coke.

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:19

       Yeah.

   29. BBBrigham Buhler33:19

       That's literally what my family thought was healthy. And that's a lot of Americans. They don't know.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:24

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

   2. BBBrigham Buhler45:00

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      From crops. You have government-funded-

   4. BBBrigham Buhler45:02

      Yeah, that was one of the things I learned too. 5% of the human brain mass and weight is now made of, uh, is now plastics.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:09

      What?

   6. BBBrigham Buhler45:09

      We learned that in the hearing too.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:11

      5%?

   8. BBBrigham Buhler45:11

      Blew my mind. Never heard that statistic.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:14

      Oh my God.

   10. BBBrigham Buhler45:14

       It's terrifying.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:15

       "Revealed: The US Government's Funded Private Social Network Attacking Pesticide Critics." So what does it say about this? Uh, "In 2017 two United Nations experts called for a treaty to strictly regulate dangerous pesticides which they said were a global human rights concern." Which, by the way, uh, Roundup is illegal in a lot of countries.

   12. BBBrigham Buhler45:35

       Mm-hmm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       "Sighting scientific research showing pesticides can cause cancers, Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's, and other health problems. Publicly, the pesticide industry's lead trade association dubbed the recommendations unfounded and sensational assertions." (laughs) In private-

   14. BBBrigham Buhler45:51

       But what's crazy is this is Monsanto which is also Bayer, and we talked about that. They, this i- this is the company that knowingly infected people with HIV and shipped it to third world countries because they, their, their, uh, hemophilia drug had been contaminated and they knew they'd get busted if they shipped it in the US, so they shipped it to third world countries and knowingly infected thousands of people with HIV.

   15. JRJoe Rogan46:16

       Put that back up, Jamie.

   16. BBBrigham Buhler46:18

       (laughs) And we're trusting these people?

   17. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       Look, look what it says here. Uh, "Publicly, the pesticide industry's lead trade association dubbed the recommendations unfounded and sensational assertions. In private, industry advocates have gone further. Derogatory profiles of the two UN experts, uh, Hilal Elver and Bashag Tuncock... Tuncak? Tunsak? Are hosted on an online private portal for pesticide company employees and a range of influential allies. Members can access a wide range of personal information about hundreds of individuals from around the world deemed a threat to industry interests, including the US food writers Michael Pollan and Mark Britman, the Indian environmentalist Vandana Shiva, and the Nigerian activist..." You say that one.

   18. BBBrigham Buhler47:06

       (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan47:07

       Nin- how do you say that? How do you think you say that name?

   20. BBBrigham Buhler47:10

       Nnimmo Bassey?

   21. JRJoe Rogan47:10

       Nimamo-

   22. BBBrigham Buhler47:12

       Nninamobassey.

   23. JRJoe Rogan47:13

       Ni- Nimamo-

   24. BBBrigham Buhler47:15

       (laughs)

   25. JRJoe Rogan47:15

       Nimmamobasi. Uh, "Many profiles include personal details such as the names of family members, phone numbers, home addresses-

   26. BBBrigham Buhler47:24

       Mm-hmm.

   27. JRJoe Rogan47:24

       ... even house values. The profiling is part of an effort which is financed in part by US taxpayer dollars to downplay pesticide dangers, discredit opponents, and undermine international policymaking according to court records, emails, and other documents unt- obtained by the nonprofit newsroom Light House Reports. It corroborated with The Guardian, The New Lead, Le Monde, Africa Uncensored, and Australian Broadcast Corporation and other international media partners on the publication of this investigation. The efforts were spearheaded by a reputation management firm in Missouri called Vefluence. The company provides services that it describes as intelligence gathering, proprietary data mining, and risk communications. The revelations demonstrate how industry advocates have established a private social network to counter resistance to pesticides and genetically modified crops in Africa, Europe, and parts of the world while also denigrating organic and other alternative farming methods." Wow. Wow.

   28. BBBrigham Buhler48:31

       I mean, it, it doesn't, it's just con... I think it was Jason during the testimony, he said, and this resonated with me, "Do we need double blind studies to know that chemicals we spray on pesticides and chemicals we spray on fields that cause..."... disruption in mitochondria of insects and destroy them at the cellular level might possibly, can we at least say, might possibly create some sort of issue-

   29. JRJoe Rogan48:57

       No, that's unfounded.

   30. BBBrigham Buhler48:58

       ... in other biological beings. (laughs)
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Oh, I don't know.…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      burn pits.

   2. BBBrigham Buhler1:00:01

      Oh, I don't know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      See if you can find that.

   4. NANarrator1:00:02

      I think that's true.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:03

      I believe that's true. I believe he served-

   6. BBBrigham Buhler1:00:06

      It wasn't, it wasn't meth? (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      (laughs) No, that was the other son.

   8. BBBrigham Buhler1:00:08

      Okay.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:09

      One son was the good guy.

   10. BBBrigham Buhler1:00:11

       (laughs)

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:11

       Biden addresses possible link between son's fatal brain cancer and toxic military burn pits. Isn't that insane? His own son.

   12. BBBrigham Buhler1:00:18

       So crazy.

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:19

       So he couldn't even protect his own son. I mean, he's a powerful politician. And his own son-

   14. BBBrigham Buhler1:00:23

       Well, and that's, we, we tried to... Like, that was the message I wanted people to get. It... Yes, we were talking to senators, but the truth is we were talking to the American people. And it was, guys, we don't have... My thing to the, the public is, I'm not here to tell you that I have the answers to the test. I'm here to tell you I have the questions to the test. (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       Yes.

   16. BBBrigham Buhler1:00:41

       And I'm telling you what I saw, and I'm being honest, and I'm trying my best. I am not fucking political. Left, right, n-... different wings to the same bird. Like, I will say right now, the right is talking about this because of Bobby Kennedy, and I know that Trump is wanting to meet next week as a, as a, as a health expo to dive in and try and understand from people in the industry what's going on behind the scenes, and how we're headed towards this chronic disease crisis. But what gets scarier is, if we don't get this under wraps, we've got a rapidly aging patient population. We have a rapid decline in the amount of primary cares. You know, I talked about this last time. We're going to have a 30% shortage in primary cares, and it already takes three months to get in with a primary care. We're headed over a cliff.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Whew.

   18. BBBrigham Buhler1:01:26

       We have got to get chronic disease under control in this nation, and we gotta do it fast.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:31

       And I, I wanna say something too. There's a lot of people that vehemently disagree with a lot of this stuff, and there's a lot of people online, like the people that write the articles, the woo-woo stuff, they just don't know.

   20. BBBrigham Buhler1:01:42

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:42

       There's no way they actually knew what was going on, uh, in a comprehensive way-

   22. BBBrigham Buhler1:01:49

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:49

       ... and would still write those articles. You would have to be evil.

   24. BBBrigham Buhler1:01:51

       Well-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       I don't think those people that are writing those articles are evil. I think they're doing a job, and I think they're being directed, and I think they're being directed by people that have a vested interest in this information, just like we talked about with that USDA thing.

   26. BBBrigham Buhler1:02:03

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:03

       There's- they have a vested interest in this information being dismissed, and there's money behind it. There's a financial interest behind it.

   28. BBBrigham Buhler1:02:09

       When people try to- they try to say if we can't agree on one topic, that we have to disagree on all topics.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

       Right.

   30. BBBrigham Buhler1:02:14

       And that's the most frustrating thing to me. My neighbor's amazing, she's an amazing person. She sent me a message and was like, "You know, Bobby Kennedy sold out, and blah. I'm not- I don't care about the Maha movement." And I'm like, "This isn't about Maha, or Trump, or any..." This is about people.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:16:14

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      canceled for lack of ratings. When I initially called you to congratulate you-"

   2. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:04

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:04

      "... on The Benefactor, little did you or I realize how disastrous and embarrassing it would be, it would turn out for you. If you ever decide to do another show, please call me, and I'll be happy to lend a helping hand. With best wishes, Donald Trump." (laughs)

   4. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:20

      (laughs) What a savage. What a savage.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:21

      What a cr- But what a crazy-

   6. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:23

      My God.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:23

      ... backhanded... Why?

   8. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:26

      It's wild.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:26

      I don't understand. I mean, what beef? I don't... They must have some kind of beef.

   10. NANarrator1:15:29

       They had a long... They've had a long beef.

   11. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:31

       (laughs) That's wild.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:15:31

       What is the beef about? The guy's hilarious.

   13. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:34

       Uh-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:15:34

       That is hilarious.

   15. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:35

       It's wild.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:15:36

       It's hilarious that he takes time out of his day.

   17. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:38

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:15:39

       Not just, like, say, "Good. Fuck that guy. That show got canceled."

   19. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:43

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:15:43

       Takes time out of his day-

   21. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:45

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:15:45

       ... to write, like, a, a conciliator... "I'm sorry. Sorry this happened to you, man."

   23. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:51

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:15:51

       "You fucking loser."

   25. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:52

       (laughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:15:52

       Like, literally writes it in there. It... The whole thing is wild, because-

   27. BBBrigham Buhler1:15:57

       But what's hard is people use those things to distract us-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:16:00

       Yes.

   29. BBBrigham Buhler1:16:00

       ... and to divide us. And, like, even with my neighbor, I know we agree on 80% of the things. It's like, hey, I'm not against or for anyone. Like, I'm not against Kamala. I'm not against Trump. I'm, I'm for Team Humanity. I am for-

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