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Joe Rogan Experience #2241 - Rick Strassman

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  1. 0:00 – 15:00

    (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

    1. NA

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

    2. RS

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

    3. JR

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music plays) So he's got... Hi, Rick.

    4. RS

      Hi.

    5. JR

      Good to see you, brother.

    6. RS

      Good seeing you, too.

    7. JR

      Um, so he's got this place called The Boneyard, my friend John Reeves in Alaska, and he, he made this for me too. This is, uh-

    8. RS

      Yeah.

    9. JR

      ... like a little skull. That's, uh, a wooly mammoth tooth.

    10. RS

      Man.

    11. JR

      Like a molar.

    12. RS

      Whoa.

    13. JR

      Yeah. So he has this incredible place, and, uh, he was a gold miner and still is, and they started finding, like, an extraordinary amount of tusks and bones and skulls from animals that aren't even supposed to have been there.

    14. RS

      Yeah, yeah.

    15. JR

      And it's kind of rewriting history, but it's all in his land.

    16. RS

      Yeah.

    17. JR

      So he has complete control over it and he has, like... See, there's John. He's this enormous dude. He's like six foot nine, like a big giant man, and he has, um... This is just some of it. Like show those warehouses that he has. So he had a research facility built on his property so they could study this stuff. And if you see outside in the lobby, there's actually a bison skull.

    18. RS

      Oh wow.

    19. JR

      It's like a 10,000-plus-year-old bison skull.

    20. RS

      Wow. A lot of bones.

    21. JR

      So this area is only a few acres. This is what's really crazy. He has one area that's like... I th- I believe it's like four acres, and another area that's about six acres.

    22. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      And there's also like a very heavy layer of carbon, um, that... So it appears there was some sort of a mass fire, and he thinks that this mass extinction event that all the, uh, people like, um, Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson talk about with the end of the Younger Dryas-

    24. RS

      Right.

    25. JR

      ... the Younger Dryas Impact Theory-

    26. RS

      Sure. Yeah, yeah.

    27. JR

      ... he thinks it's connected to this and he thinks that site might have been hit and all these animals probably in the great flood, their carcasses were washed into this sort of valley-

    28. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    29. JR

      ... this one area where they were kind of trapped up against the side of this mountain. And so he hoses the, the mountain down with per- the... It's all permafrost, so it's all been frozen forever, and they have these high-pressure hoses and they hose it until they expose like a tusk.

    30. RS

      Okay.

  2. 15:00 – 30:00

    Right, but there's one…

    1. RS

      is no God, and the other version is that there is.

    2. JR

      Right, but there's one version that God is not just a part of your life, but the only reason why anything was ever formed, that it's God's plan for everything, that God has, y- you know, a plan for you, and that if you follow the teach- the teachings of God, you'll ultimately go to heaven. It's, like, very structured. Where the other side, it's like, uh, death, life is suffering, there's, you know... Who knows what, what happens when you die, but probably nothing.

    3. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    4. JR

      You know? Uh, if you feel depressed, you should probably go to the doctor and get a pill.

    5. RS

      Yeah. Yes. Y- so you wonder if the atheist's biology is different than the believer's.

    6. JR

      I wonder if it becomes different, right? 'Cause don't genes turn on and off, or expressions of genes, based upon stress, based upon environments-

    7. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    8. JR

      ... based... A lot of things, right?

    9. RS

      Right, right. And those changes can be inherited, you know, like, you know, passed on to the next generation and the next generation.

    10. JR

      That's crazy.

    11. RS

      Yeah. Y- you know, that's a, a theory about the syndrome of survivors of the Holocaust and their children and their children-

    12. JR

      Hmm.

    13. RS

      ... is that the stress of being, for example, in the camps activated certain genes, which were then in an activated state, uh, you know, passed on to the, y- you know, following generations.

    14. JR

      Mmm.

    15. RS

      Yeah, I was, um... We, we, um, we were just, you know, talking about that. Uh, like, at what point does trauma end? What point did the effects of trauma end?

    16. JR

      Right.

    17. RS

      Is it in the first generation or the second? And...

    18. JR

      And it's not just trauma, right? It's also just stress. Like, the hormetic stress of starvation, it actually makes the children of those people live longer.

    19. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    20. JR

      Very... Dr. Rhonda Patrick has talked about this. It's really interesting.

    21. RS

      Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the, um, spinoffs of fasting and starvation. Y- y- uh, you know, there were a, a lot... Well, you know, speaking of starvation, um, you know, there are a lot of studies of enforced starvation, like the camps and in Africa at various times. Yeah. You know, so there are some advantages, uh, but, I mean, obviously to a point.

    22. JR

      Yeah. Obviously we'd never wanna ask someone to do that. But when people do it voluntarily, like when they go on these three- and five-day fasts, I've never met one person who said, "I'll never do that again. That was fucking terrible and stupid."

    23. RS

      Yeah.

    24. JR

      "And I felt really dumb, and I didn't feel alive at all." No, they come back with, like, this very bizarre euphoric just, like, ex-... Their, their version of it, when they're expressing themselves, is f- seems like they were, like, on mushrooms.

    25. RS

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      It's weird.

    27. RS

      Is, is that something you've tried?

    28. JR

      No. I've done a day.

    29. RS

      I, I've done a day, and I sneak in some espresso if I'm feeling-

    30. JR

      (laughs)

  3. 30:00 – 45:00

    Eh, yeah, or- …

    1. JR

      that, like, is coming around the earth.

    2. RS

      Eh, yeah, or-

    3. JR

      What i- what are they, Jamie?

    4. RS

      Are, are they cosmic rays? Gamma rays?

    5. JR

      Must be something.

    6. RS

      Yeah.

    7. NA

      Coronal mass ejections.

    8. JR

      Coronal mass ejects, so solar.

    9. RS

      Oh, yeah.

    10. NA

      And magnetic activity I guess, there's like-

    11. JR

      And magnetic activity.

    12. NA

      ... a few reasons why they could be created. I'm, uh, looking through this article but-

    13. JR

      Well, that alone might be worth living up there for.

    14. RS

      Well, in the winter. If you, or you could just spend a week up there in the winter and r- uh, you, you know, there are also all kinds of hot springs in the area too.

    15. JR

      How hard is it to get around in the winter?

    16. RS

      Uh, y- your car needs to be equipped. There's these things called battery blankets that you put under your battery to keep it warm.... and there's an-

    17. JR

      Do you heat it?

    18. RS

      Yeah.

    19. JR

      Plug it in?

    20. RS

      Yeah. It's, it's, uh, you know, plugged into-

    21. JR

      Yeah.

    22. RS

      ... um, traff- uh, you know, to a parking meter or to the outside of a building.

    23. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    24. RS

      Yeah. Everybody keeps their vehicles, you know, plugged in during the day when they're at work.

    25. JR

      You'd have to, right?

    26. RS

      You'd have to, yeah. And the other, um, uh, modification is an oil pan heater, uh, which is the same, you know, basic principle. Uh, I mean, it keeps the oil from turning into a (laughs) solid block.

    27. JR

      Shah...

    28. RS

      Yeah. You know, when it gets really cold, your tires are square.

    29. JR

      What?

    30. RS

      And it's (laughs) really hard to drive around in for the first couple of miles.

  4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

    I, I- …

    1. JR

      proposal, like they propose this arranged marriage and they both agree on it. Maybe.

    2. RS

      I, I-

    3. JR

      If that's what you're into.

    4. RS

      I, I think that's the case, that if there's no chemistry at all and the woman or the guy-

    5. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    6. RS

      ... says, "Forget it. I'm not interested," I think you're free to-

    7. JR

      Well, we got ... I would hope so.

    8. RS

      ... to end it. Yeah. Yeah.

    9. JR

      But I would guarantee you that's not always the case, especially in some more restrictive parts of the world where women, you know, are forced to, like, follow c- completely different rules than the men-

    10. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    11. JR

      ... that ... Which is a, you know, a reality of the world we're living in today.

    12. RS

      I know.

    13. JR

      There's parts of the world where, uh, they think in our ... a very archaic way and women are second-class citizens.

    14. RS

      Uh, uh, I mean, the Mid East. I mean, look at that place. There's ... It's just a ... It, it, it's ablaze.

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. RS

      It's ablaze.

    17. JR

      Well, I, um, have a good friend of mine who, um, came on the podcast recently and was talking about his experiences in Afghanistan, how crazy it is there. And, uh, he's like, "It's like you're going back in time 1,000 years," like-

    18. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    19. JR

      ... the way women are treated and children are treated, the amount of pedophiles and-

    20. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    21. JR

      ... the open molestation of boys, and just-

    22. RS

      Yeah. Why-

    23. JR

      ... murder and ...

    24. RS

      W- w- why do you think, uh, at least in p- particular, you know, that Jerusalem is just, you know, such a hotbed? It's, it's a point of contact and conflict for all three major religions.

    25. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    26. RS

      Islam, Christianity and-

    27. JR

      Right.

    28. RS

      ... and, uh, uh, I mean, Judaism, all claim y- that small bit of land. I wonder what it is about that, that, that part of the world?

    29. JR

      Well, it's gotta be th- from the Bible, right? I mean, that's the, uh ... The significance of it as holy land, you know? The, the, the concept of holy land is always so, so ... It ... If there's a place where it, it is literally in the Bible that this is the place where Jesus is going to return to-

    30. RS

      Mm-hmm.

  5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

    Oh, yeah, it's not…

    1. RS

      much in, um, you know, genetic engineering as well.

    2. JR

      Oh, yeah, it's not like it's binary.

    3. RS

      Right.

    4. JR

      It's not like there's one thing or nothing.

    5. RS

      Yeah.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. RS

      I think the, you know, biological and manipulation and the AI, you know, development's gonna be, uh, it's g- it's... I think it's going to produce a hybrid.

    8. JR

      100%, I think so too. I think that's the only way we live.

    9. RS

      (laughs)

    10. JR

      I think we have to, like, accept the fact that they're here-

    11. RS

      Right.

    12. JR

      ... and join them.

    13. RS

      Uh-huh.

    14. JR

      Because I think as biological meat vehicles, we're just too limited. Our evolution's too slow. W- you know, it's like, we're like if you decided to run your entire business on a laptop from 1995. Like, it's too slow.

    15. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    16. JR

      You can't do that anymore. Like, you have to catch up. If you wanna be a part of this world today, and that's not that lo- 1995 was 29 years ago. Just crazy.

    17. RS

      (laughs)

    18. JR

      That's not that long ago. That l- that laptop's useless.

    19. RS

      Yeah. So, in what kind of ways has AI impacted you? It- it hasn't impacted-

    20. JR

      It hasn't yet.

    21. RS

      Yeah, it hasn't impacted you.

    22. JR

      Well, it has in... Visually, I've seen a lot of, like, really wild things online.... um, there's a bunch of, um, like there's one that I posted that some guy made. It's, uh, Donald Trump playing Creedence Clearwater R- Revival on guitar.

    23. RS

      Yeah. Yeah.

    24. JR

      Pull it up on my Instagram.

    25. RS

      (laughs)

    26. JR

      You should see this. And, and Kamala Harris is in it, and, and, um, uh, Macron from... Or Justin Trudeau's in it. It, but it's, it's so realistic. I mean, it's obviously not. Like, you look at it, you're like, "I know it's not really them."

    27. RS

      Mm-hmm.

    28. JR

      But it's so close. It's weird.

    29. RS

      Do you like Creedence?

    30. JR

      Love Creedence.

  6. 1:15:00 – 1:16:19

    Hmm. …

    1. RS

      at least the Hebrew Bible, what some call the Old Testament, you really need, y- y- um, y- um, to know the Hebrew language, because you can make the translation for yourself.

    2. JR

      Hmm.

    3. RS

      Um, y- you know, they say all translation is interpretation.

    4. JR

      Right.

    5. RS

      Y- y- you know, so if you know the language directly, you can then make your own interpretation.

    6. JR

      Yeah, Ancient Hebrew would be the most fascinating one to read it in.

    7. RS

      It's incredible.

    8. JR

      If you could understand it.

    9. RS

      Yeah. I, I re-

    10. JR

      Do you read it?

    11. RS

      Yeah, I retaught myself Biblical Hebrew in my-

    12. JR

      Wow.

    13. RS

      ... in gr-

    14. JR

      How long did that take?

    15. RS

      Oh, I don't know, 16 years maybe. (laughs)

    16. JR

      (laughs) Oh, oh, it's incredible.

    17. RS

      W- well, you have these big old dictionaries, right?

    18. JR

      Right.

    19. RS

      You have this, these concordances, um-

    20. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    21. RS

      ... yeah, and e- each of the words has a three-letter root.

    22. JR

      Right.

    23. RS

      Yeah, and, uh, you know, just depending on context, they can mean a lot of different things.

    24. JR

      Right.

    25. RS

      And every time they appear for the first time, I would s- you know, scribble in the margin of the text, you know, wha- what this means. Yeah.

    26. JR

      So you, self-taught?

    27. RS

      Yeah, yeah.

    28. JR

      Mm-hmm.

    29. RS

      Well, as, as a kid I took s- I went to Hebrew school f- uh, a few hours every week. And I l- learned conversational Hebrew and modern Hebrew.

    30. JR

      Hmm.

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