Joe Rogan Experience #2248 - Michael Waddell

1. 0:00 – 2:18

   Bigfoot skepticism, trail cams, and why hunters rarely see cryptids

   1. MWMichael Waddell0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music) What's going on, my man?

   3. MWMichael Waddell0:13

      Joe, good.

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      Is that Bigfoot on your shirt? It says-

   5. MWMichael Waddell0:15

      That is. It is Bigfoot.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      ... "non-vegan"?

   7. MWMichael Waddell0:18

      Yeah. (laughs)

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      (laughs) How do they know Bigfoot's not a vegan?

   9. MWMichael Waddell0:21

      See, I don't know. I mean, but I think he's got canines like us, so there's a good chance-

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       (laughs)

   11. MWMichael Waddell0:26

       ... that he does eat meat, you know. (laughs)

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:27

       I think hunters are the number one argument against Bigfoot being real. I've never met a-

   13. MWMichael Waddell0:32

       I do, too.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:32

       ... hunter who's seen Bigfoot. (laughs)

   15. MWMichael Waddell0:34

       No, and the amount, especially some of your guests you've had on-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:37

       (laughs) Yeah.

   17. MWMichael Waddell0:37

       ... and on top of, I mean, even myself and now you spend a lot of times in some pretty desolate places.

   18. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       Yeah.

   19. MWMichael Waddell0:43

       And all the trail cameras.

   20. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       Uh-

   21. MWMichael Waddell0:45

       We should've gotten one picture.

   22. JRJoe Rogan0:46

       Yeah. Trail cameras throw a big monkey wrench into that Bigfoot thing. (laughs)

   23. MWMichael Waddell0:49

       I agree. And I- and I- and I'm always, it's still, you know, the conspiracy that I'm still, every time I check, especially when you get in those deep, dark-

   24. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Mm-hmm.

   25. MWMichael Waddell0:56

       ... places out west and all throughout the country and even the south, I'm thinking, "Maybe just this time."

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       It would be fun.

   27. MWMichael Waddell1:03

       Yeti.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       It would be fun, but-

   29. MWMichael Waddell1:04

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:04

       ... it's just, it's very unlikely. I mean, they, there's only, like, two jaguars in the United States, and they know exactly where they are.
2. 2:18 – 3:19

   Graham Hancock, ancient cataclysms, and the mystery of lost civilizations

   1. MWMichael Waddell2:18

      That was some of the most-

   2. JRJoe Rogan2:18

      You know.

   3. MWMichael Waddell2:18

      ... intriguing ... I- I was dug deep into that and then went, because of hearing him on the podcast, and went and watched ... Just finished season two. Watched season one soon after I'd seen him here first.

   4. JRJoe Rogan2:30

      It's pretty compelling.

   5. MWMichael Waddell2:31

      It's pretty amazingly compelling.

   6. JRJoe Rogan2:33

      Yeah.

   7. MWMichael Waddell2:34

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan2:34

      Well, once you realize, first of all, that there's real, physical evidence that something happened around 11,800 years ago.

   9. MWMichael Waddell2:42

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan2:42

       That the earth was most likely pounded with asteroid debris.

   11. MWMichael Waddell2:46

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       And it probably fucked civilization up pretty bad, and it can happen again.

   13. MWMichael Waddell2:50

       Makes complete sense.

   14. JRJoe Rogan2:51

       Damn.

   15. MWMichael Waddell2:52

       You know. It- it- it's ... I mean, hearing his ab- perspective on it and how he researched it, and it's- it's from the standpoint there's, you know ... A- as we know, politics and everything gets involved in everything.

   16. JRJoe Rogan3:05

       Mm-hmm.

   17. MWMichael Waddell3:05

       You know, and- and- and it's just almost like he was a j- a journalistic, really smart, intellectual guy who was intrigued. And- and it's just a good approach the way he studied it, to me, that made it even more compelling, and then the findings he did find, I don't know, I just ... I was very intrigued by that.

3. 3:19 – 7:18

   Ark of the Covenant rabbit hole: Ethiopia rumors, Vatican intrigue, and a Trump replica

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:19

      You know how he really got into it?

   2. MWMichael Waddell3:21

      No. Huh?

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:21

      He got into it researching the Ark of the Covenant.

   4. MWMichael Waddell3:24

      Really?

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:24

      Yeah. Because, uh, in Ethiopia, there's a specific church in Ethiopia that has always been rumored to be the place where the Ark of the Covenant is stored, and there's these guarders of this ... these people that are guards of this area, and they all developed cataracts. They all have, like, radiation poisoning, and they're guarding this one particular area. They won't let anybody look at it. They won't let anybody talk about it, and Graham got fascinated by this and then he started doing a deep dive into history and historical accounts of the- the covenant and these- th- the ark and all these bizarre stories that have lasted throughout history. And the real evidence that there was really sophisticated societies that lived-

   6. MWMichael Waddell4:09

      Mm-hmm.

   7. JRJoe Rogan4:09

      ... thousands and thousands of years ago, when we kind of assumed that people were hunters and gatherers, you know.

   8. MWMichael Waddell4:14

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan4:14

      Egypt is a great example of that. Like, whatever they were doing there was fucking insane.

   10. MWMichael Waddell4:18

       Right.

   11. JRJoe Rogan4:19

       I mean, the structures that they made. Still today, we look at them and go, "What the hell were you guys doing?"

   12. MWMichael Waddell4:23

       Like, (laughs) yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan4:24

       Yeah.

   14. MWMichael Waddell4:24

       How was this made? Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan4:25

       And, uh, he believes that society had reached a very, uh, very sophisticated level of technological achievement, and then something happened.

   16. MWMichael Waddell4:33

       Mm-hmm.

   17. JRJoe Rogan4:34

       And that we're- we're living in, like, a rebuild. Even though we're very sophisticated, you know, in terms of technology, our technology's gone in a completely different direction than theirs did.

   18. MWMichael Waddell4:44

       And where did ... Did Graham ever, in his conclusion in some of that about the covenant, did he ever think that it's still there? I don't-

   19. JRJoe Rogan4:51

       They think it's still there, yeah.

   20. MWMichael Waddell4:52

       So some people thought it might've burned up in Jerusalem, I think it was, or d- or sh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan4:55

       See if you can find what-

   22. MWMichael Waddell4:57

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan4:57

       ... where that is, Jamie. It's supposed to be in some church in Ethio- oh, Ja- Jamie's already got it. So-

   24. MWMichael Waddell5:02

       I- I just had watched something on that, 'cause I'm intrigued by all that kinda stuff.

   25. JRJoe Rogan5:06

       Well, y- you know, when you really start digging deep into it, it's very fascinating that this one particular place has been protected for so long and all these people that have supposedly seen it describe something that's ... You know, Trump apparently has, like, a model of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago.

   26. MWMichael Waddell5:25

       No way.

   27. JRJoe Rogan5:25

       Yeah. See if you can find that. Yeah. He's- he's got, like, a- a-

   28. MWMichael Waddell5:27

       So he's got the-

   29. JRJoe Rogan5:28

       ... a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant in- in-

   30. MWMichael Waddell5:31

       And yeah-
4. 7:18 – 12:28

   Arrowheads and artifact obsession: from Comanche territory to modern forgeries

   1. JRJoe Rogan7:18

      All, all that ancient civilization stuff is so fun because it is really kind of a mystery, you know? And it's, it's fascinating when... And I'm, I'm sure you've, uh, been hunting before and you've found ar- arrowheads.

   2. MWMichael Waddell7:29

      Yes. A lot.

   3. JRJoe Rogan7:30

      When you find one of those-

   4. MWMichael Waddell7:31

      A lot.

   5. JRJoe Rogan7:31

      ... you're picking up this piece of history. You gotta imagine some Native American was knapping this flint on his knee-

   6. MWMichael Waddell7:38

      God.

   7. JRJoe Rogan7:38

      ... sitting there, who knows how many thousands of years ago.

   8. MWMichael Waddell7:41

      Exactly.

   9. JRJoe Rogan7:42

      They, they find 3,000, 4,000-year-old arrowheads and you just gotta go, "God, what was life like then, man?"

   10. MWMichael Waddell7:49

       Oh, I can only imagine. I, and, and like where I'm from in Georgia, and obviously you and I both love archery, but all the arrowheads I find are, are quartz.

   11. JRJoe Rogan7:58

       Ah.

   12. MWMichael Waddell7:58

       So we have very little flint. And I'm not at all-

   13. JRJoe Rogan8:01

       Ah.

   14. MWMichael Waddell8:01

       ... historically sound on understanding everything. I mean, I got friends, actually Jeff Foxworthy is, is one of those guys. He lives right down the road. He is obsessed with Indian artifacts and has an amazing collection, like goes across the country. You know, it's hard, you can call Jeff right now, you probably can't get him to Austin to come do this podcast, but then all you gotta do is tell him, "Hey man, I just plowed up a field and it rained and we just found two nice flint heads." He'd probably be here tomorrow. I mean-

   15. JRJoe Rogan8:24

       Really?

   16. MWMichael Waddell8:24

       He loves it. He's eat up with it.

   17. JRJoe Rogan8:27

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   18. MWMichael Waddell9:37

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan9:37

       There's a dude I know who has a ranch out here and he finds them all the time. It's Comanche territory where his ranch is in the hill country.

   20. MWMichael Waddell9:43

       Oh, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan9:43

       And he, every day... Go to that guy's page, uh, Whitworth, JW Whitworth. JM Whitworth? JW Whitworth? I think it's JW. But he's got incredible arrowheads that he, he's, like, just obsessed with finding them on this ranch. And this ranch apparently was just overrun by the Comanche. It's very fertile and rich and, you know-

   22. MWMichael Waddell10:04

       Mm-hmm.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:04

       ... the soil is great and a lot of, you know, water, habitat-

   24. MWMichael Waddell10:08

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan10:08

       ... a lot of deer. And so they must have just camped there and lived there for a long time.

   26. MWMichael Waddell10:12

       It's JM, but it's also private.

   27. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       JM. Oh, it is?

   28. MWMichael Waddell10:14

       But I hear it's j-

   29. JRJoe Rogan10:16

       Oh, he's private now?

   30. MWMichael Waddell10:17

       Yeah.
5. 12:28 – 16:06

   Buffalo drops and Indigenous hunting strategy: engineering mass harvests

   1. MWMichael Waddell12:28

      Oh, I know. It, I tell you something that's interesting. We hunted in a place in Montana where we ... it was- it was on the Milk River. And they had what they called a buffalo drop on this property.

   2. JRJoe Rogan12:36

      Oh, wow.

   3. MWMichael Waddell12:37

      And- and so if you went to where this buffalo drop was, you could go to the base of it and you could find ... There's not, there wasn't any much left now. We used to hunt back in the day, uh, mostly in the, uh ... I hadn't been since 2000, I think it was 7 or ... 2010 was the last time I had went out there. But at the base of that, you used to c- find all kind of bones, you know, bison bones, you know, uh, you know, buffalo and stuff. But you would sometimes find these little tiny heads. Uh, and- and they didn't look like this.

   4. JRJoe Rogan13:05

      They were real small, huh?

   5. MWMichael Waddell13:05

      Which is interesting what Remy brought up, maybe that was for fishing or something. I don't- I don't know. But all the heads we would find would be tiny little, almost like bird points-

   6. JRJoe Rogan13:14

      Mm-hmm.

   7. MWMichael Waddell13:14

      ... is what I felt like I wanted to call 'em or heard 'em called before. And supposedly what they did was, is they didn't necessarily, weren't trying to sh- kill the buffalo. They would herd 'em and they would just kinda peck 'em with the arrows and then they would run the buffalo off of this cliff. And so, it would basically die coming off the cliff. And it was so cool, across the valley, you could still see all the old stone rings to where supposedly the ladies, or the squaws would sit there and look back and soon as the men basically had, you know, whatever amount of buffalo I guess over the drop, they would come and butcher. And the men would go back and, you know, smoke the peace pipe and-

   8. JRJoe Rogan13:51

      (laughs)

   9. MWMichael Waddell13:52

      ... relax. So, uh, times have changed a lot. (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan13:54

       Yeah.

   11. MWMichael Waddell13:55

       So, uh, I thought that was interesting.

   12. JRJoe Rogan13:57

       Remy was telling me about this one site where they had a buffalo drop and the pile of buffalo was so large and there was so much decay-

   13. MWMichael Waddell14:04

       Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan14:04

       ... that it actually created a fire.

   15. MWMichael Waddell14:06

       Holy cow.

   16. JRJoe Rogan14:07

       It like started on fire because they're all just rotting fr- and fermenting and-

   17. MWMichael Waddell14:11

       Just hot nasty-

   18. JRJoe Rogan14:12

       ... some sort of combustion. And so the entire side of the cliff was black from these buffalo falling off of this place, rotting, and then combust-

   19. MWMichael Waddell14:22

       Created a fire.

   20. JRJoe Rogan14:23

       Yeah. I mean-

   21. MWMichael Waddell14:24

       That's crazy.

   22. JRJoe Rogan14:24

       ... I don't even know how that would work.

   23. MWMichael Waddell14:25

       I- I don't either, but I do know that those buffalo drops do exist and it's pretty fascinating and the place we were hunting is a, uh, you know, private land owner. He was a rancher. Had some cows and, um, he was very funny. He did not want us to video on any of our episodes or- or anything to do. And back then, we were videoing, um ... I was working with Bill Jordan and we had a show on TNN back in the day and, um, he's like, "Do not bring your cameras. I don't want any TV cameras around here." He said, "Because they'll come and all of the sudden they'll set this up as a historical site and I'll have-"

   24. JRJoe Rogan14:56

       Right.

   25. MWMichael Waddell14:57

       So he was really funny about it.

   26. JRJoe Rogan14:58

       Oh, yeah.

   27. MWMichael Waddell14:59

       So I don't even, I didn't even take a lot of pictures of it 'cause I was always like, hey, you know, this guy didn't want us to take any pictures and talk about it. But man, I, every time I'd come back, you know, from morning hunt or we'd go scout, I'd come back and like, "Man, I wanna go to the buffalo drop." Like, you know, you're just-

   28. JRJoe Rogan15:11

       Yeah.

   29. MWMichael Waddell15:11

       ... it's like a little kid, like a little 10-year-old kid, boy scout and like, "Look at this! Here's a head," or, "Here's a buffalo horn or- or skull." And most of everything that would've been there had already been picked through 'cause it's right off kind of a county road.

   30. JRJoe Rogan15:24

       Mm-hmm.
6. 16:06 – 17:07

   Navajo Nation hunts, youth mentorship, and preserving outdoor culture

   1. MWMichael Waddell16:06

      ... we can kind of revisit and- and that was the first thing I noticed is all the, uh, the- the Native American pictures you had. I hunt a lot with Native Americans, a lot with the Navajo Nation. I've become like family, or they become like family to me. I go out there every year and the resources they have, you know. I know Cam hunts a lot, you know, at, uh, Mescalero and different, different places.

   2. JRJoe Rogan16:26

      Mm-hmm.

   3. MWMichael Waddell16:26

      And I don't know, man. And- and even sadly, even amongst the natives, some of that culture is being lost with them more.

   4. JRJoe Rogan16:33

      Yeah.

   5. MWMichael Waddell16:33

      And so we even go out every year and do a hunt with their kids. We take 15 to 20 Navajo youth hunting every year out there with the Navajo Game and Fish. And they have a lot of mentors, Gloria Tom who she's just stepping down but she was the, uh, kind of in charge out there and we would go and work with people like Jeff Cole and that whole Navajo Nation, the families and we'd take just their kids. The kids of the Navajo Nation hunting and sadly enough, they're- they're, like a lot of kids in America, eating Little Debbies and playing Xbox, you know. (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:01

      Yeah.

   7. MWMichael Waddell17:01

      It's like, man, you got 17 million acres in your backyard.

   8. JRJoe Rogan17:04

      (laughs)

   9. MWMichael Waddell17:04

      Come on, bro. You 'posed to be-

   10. JRJoe Rogan17:06

       I know, right?

   11. MWMichael Waddell17:06

       ... the damn eagle.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       Right.

7. 17:07 – 28:53

   Ishi, Pope & Young, and the lineage of modern bowhunting

   1. MWMichael Waddell17:07

      You gotta, you gotta fly and dip down. We got, you know ... I'm even out here, you know, i- i- at your- your room and we ... Me too, I have all kind of Native Americans. My heroes, um, were Native American hunters like Ishi, who taught Pope and Young how to bow hunt. He's who got them-

   2. JRJoe Rogan17:23

      Oh, really?

   3. MWMichael Waddell17:24

      Yeah. Ishi, out of California. I think he- he'd come back and- and, uh, he- he basically taught those guys who were doctors, he introduced them to- to bow hunting and then Pope and Young, as we kill a elk we think, "Oh, is he big enough to go Pope and Young?"

   4. JRJoe Rogan17:39

      Wait, explain to people what Pope and Young is for people who don't know what you're talking about.

   5. MWMichael Waddell17:42

      Pope and Young is, um ... So basically Pope and Young were- were two guys that basically just kind of revolutionized archery as we know it a lot of times. I mean, obviously you thought- throwing around names, you gotta talk about Fred Bear and stuff like that, but prior to that, there was an Indian named Ishi, um, out of a California tribe and I'm not good enough at remembering exactly what tribe that was, but, uh, there's a lot of cool information that you can read. Obviously if you ever get your hands on, um, Saxton Pope and Arthur Young, any books. It's fascinating. Like my favorite book of all time is called The Adventurous Bowmen. A friend of mine, Jeff Johnson, who's a writer, gave it to me, and I- I read it all the time. And even my kid, I read him that book at night, you know, and this talks about their first venture into Africa and- and when they went there, when they hunted grizzly, when they hunted elk the first time. And so these guys were kind of ... Based on what I can assume seem to be pretty much city slickers who had basically, um, a patient called Ishi who taught them how to-... hunt. And, and pictures of him, you can still see him, he looks like he's dressed at a Ted Nugent concert in 1969, you know?

   6. JRJoe Rogan18:42

      (laughs)

   7. MWMichael Waddell18:42

      (laughs) Jumping off the amps. And, uh, and so yeah. And so now, that's become similar to Boone and Crockett, uh, Pope & Young is an organization that's formed around, you know, celebrating certain animals that are trophy aspect, and if you get a, you know, say a white-tailed deer that nets 125 inches on the Pope & Young scale, you can enter him into the Pope & Young record books. And every category of species, like elk, bear, caribou, moose, so on and so forth, has that. And so it's just kind of to celebrate a lot of the heritage of archery. And so Pope & Young, a lot of people don't know it, but that, that basically is the basis of what it come from, but it starts back to, guess what, a Native American, these arrowheads, they passed it on. And so now, we're kind of carrying on that same tradition. And so as a student of the game, it's like, it's so cool to talk about 'em.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:28

      There they are.

   9. MWMichael Waddell19:29

      Oh, look at that, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan19:30

       Wow. Look at that.

   11. MWMichael Waddell19:32

       That's cool. Is there any ... Can you find ... Jamie, is that Ishi, that hall of fame?

   12. JRJoe Rogan19:36

       That's Ishi and Saxton Pope right there.

   13. MWMichael Waddell19:38

       There's Ishi there.

   14. JRJoe Rogan19:39

       Oh, wow.

   15. MWMichael Waddell19:40

       Can you imagine? Look at that.

   16. JRJoe Rogan19:42

       So you're, you're learning from the source.

   17. MWMichael Waddell19:44

       Yeah. I mean, they ... And, and, and there's so many amazing stories.

   18. JRJoe Rogan19:48

       What year was this?

   19. MWMichael Waddell19:49

       Man, I don't even know. It had to have been in the, uh ... I don't know, was it '20s? Or maybe, maybe, maybe 1900. I know it was early.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       You know what's fascinating when you think about what we enjoy, w- we enjoy archery-

   21. MWMichael Waddell20:02

       1912.

   22. JRJoe Rogan20:03

       1912. So that guy, you know, that, that is like, he was alive in the 1800s.

   23. MWMichael Waddell20:08

       Absolutely.

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:09

       So he was doing that. Like, that's literally from the source.

   25. MWMichael Waddell20:13

       And there's another thing, and it's, it's crazy to think about this. Another thing I read and heard told because obviously, you know, you travel around, and it's always trying to figure out, you know, what's fact or fic- fiction, but I listened to, uh, Casey Means on this podcast, we're talking about our food. Supposedly, Ishi, who come in, who was actually living very primitive, but come in, and once he started hanging around and got westernized, quickly got fat because-

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:38

       (laughs)

   27. MWMichael Waddell20:38

       ...I don't know if Little Debbie's was around then.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:40

       No.

   29. MWMichael Waddell20:40

       It was the only thing I hated about the whole Casey Me- that whole podcast. I was like, "Man, I used to love a good oatmeal pie and now I'm sitting here like, 'I don't know, that glass of milk.'" (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       Yeah.
8. 28:53 – 36:00

   Early bowhunting media and the pioneers’ “wild” ethics by today’s standards

   1. MWMichael Waddell28:53

      Oh, look at this.

   2. GUGuest28:54

      Arthur Young.

   3. JRJoe Rogan28:54

      1926.

   4. GUGuest28:56

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan28:56

      Arthur Young bowhunting.

   6. GUGuest28:58

      I think it's a grizzly here. They said it's a grizzly.

   7. JRJoe Rogan28:59

      Oh, wow.

   8. MWMichael Waddell29:00

      Look at him.

   9. GUGuest29:01

      It's super close.

   10. MWMichael Waddell29:03

       Holy cow.

   11. JRJoe Rogan29:04

       Wow. (guitar strumming)

   12. MWMichael Waddell29:04

       I've, I've never seen this, Jamie.

   13. JRJoe Rogan29:05

       Wow.

   14. MWMichael Waddell29:05

       Thanks for pulling this up. This is so cool.

   15. JRJoe Rogan29:07

       1926.

   16. MWMichael Waddell29:10

       Holy smokes. I bet they didn't have to buy a license. I bet they just went hunting too.

   17. JRJoe Rogan29:16

       Oh yeah, I bet there was no licenses back then. I mean, when did they ...

   18. MWMichael Waddell29:21

       All right, he, he hit him somewhere.

   19. GUGuest29:23

       Yeah, he gets, you s- it shows, it follows it up here, but I mean, to film this is even crazy 'cause this is 1926, so.

   20. JRJoe Rogan29:29

       Right.

   21. MWMichael Waddell29:29

       Wow.

   22. JRJoe Rogan29:33

       You had to be so close with that shitty bow. (laughs)

   23. MWMichael Waddell29:36

       No doubt. And man, any, I, I tell you what, man, intriguing, like those guys right there, their books that they wrote, if you wrote those same books now, like if, if you and I went on a hunt and we said, "Hey, you know, let's just write an article and present it to Outdoor Life and publish it just as we saw it," which is so cool about what we do here, is having chance conversation to kind of air out anything and everything, and obviously culture has changed the world, I mean, these podcasts, but back then, you know, you had articles. Well, they would write these books and, and it would be so, like I would read it sometimes the same page two or three times, it'd be like, you know, Saxon Pope talking about or Arthur Young talking about, "Yes, I found out, I think it's too far, 70 yards is too far to shoot at a Cape buffalo. I put three arrows in him. He didn't seem hurt. I got two in the rump, one in the neck." And you're like ...... uh, like, they didn't edit this out?

   24. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       (laughs)

   25. MWMichael Waddell30:29

       It's almost like-

   26. JRJoe Rogan30:30

       Right, right, right, right, right.

   27. MWMichael Waddell30:31

       ... it's, it's almost like me and you hunting squirrel, like, "Man, I tell you what, I don't like them pellets. It's just not-"

   28. JRJoe Rogan30:36

       Yeah.

   29. MWMichael Waddell30:36

       "... those pellets in that air rifle are not, that is not knocking the squirrels down good enough." Like, "Oh, you wasn't supposed to put that. Can you edit that out?"

   30. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       Right.
9. 36:00 – 42:37

   Global bowhunting adventures: Pedro Ampuero, Mongolia elk, and hunting access worldwide

   1. JRJoe Rogan36:00

      Do you ever watch, uh, Pedro, uh, Ampuero's videos?

   2. MWMichael Waddell36:03

      No, no.

   3. JRJoe Rogan36:04

      Uh, Jamie, let me, I'll send it to you. He's a, a fascinating dude from Spain, and he travels everywhere to bow hunt, everywhere all over the world.

   4. MWMichael Waddell36:13

      Oh, I can already tell, I'd, I'd love that.

   5. JRJoe Rogan36:15

      Oh, you'd love it. He's great too. H- his, uh, his hunting adventures are in- really interesting, but he goes all over the place.

   6. MWMichael Waddell36:23

      I love that.

   7. JRJoe Rogan36:23

      He goes to like, Tajikistan and pl-

   8. MWMichael Waddell36:27

      Holy cow.

   9. JRJoe Rogan36:27

      There, there he is.

   10. MWMichael Waddell36:29

       Look at that. And he's g- I mean, you can tell, look, I mean, just...

   11. JRJoe Rogan36:32

       ... he's, uh, you know, super, super, super dedicated bow hunter. And, you know, travels to Greenland, he, w- he was in Greenland with Remy, they were hunting together, and, and just his, uh, his stuff ... Pedro's videos are really, really well done and he's such a likable guy that it's a, it's a good introduction to people that don't even understand why anybody would be interested in bow hunting because you realize-

   12. MWMichael Waddell36:56

       I love this.

   13. JRJoe Rogan36:56

       ... like, this guy is, he's as m- much fascinated by the adventure of it all than a- as he is even the hunting aspect of it. Like, he really enjoys being in these very different cultures and very different parts of the world. Like, he hunted elk in Mongolia.

   14. MWMichael Waddell37:13

       Wow.

   15. JRJoe Rogan37:14

       Mongolia has a large elk population, believe it or not.

   16. MWMichael Waddell37:16

       I didn't know that. I didn't, really.

   17. JRJoe Rogan37:18

       Yeah. But it's really funny because everybody who goes there to hunt, hunts with a rifle, and so all the guides who, you know, speak Mongolian-

   18. MWMichael Waddell37:25

       Right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan37:25

       Like, they're like, "What the fuck is this guy doing with his bow?"

   20. MWMichael Waddell37:27

       (laughs)

   21. JRJoe Rogan37:27

       "This is stupid." Like, "Go shoot it."

   22. MWMichael Waddell37:29

       "What are you doing, Pedro?" Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan37:30

       He's there, "I can't shoot it, it's 98 yards away," you know? Like, "I- we have to get closer." It's like, "Just shoot it."

   24. MWMichael Waddell37:35

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan37:35

       "Just shoot it. Shoot it, kill it, let's get outta here."

   26. MWMichael Waddell37:37

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan37:37

       "We've been here for fucking three days." (laughs) You know, like they're tired of it, but this dude's got a, uh, a r- a really fucking great channel, and a t- a ton of videos. I mean, he's been doing this for, like, making these videos for, like, 10, 15 years.

   28. MWMichael Waddell37:50

       I'm definitely gonna subscribe to that. And you got-

   29. JRJoe Rogan37:52

       I don't even see the buffalo. Where's the buffalo?

   30. MWMichael Waddell37:55

       Is that ... Is he dead?
10. 42:37 – 52:01

    Turkey hunting, Mayan ruins in the jungle, and LiDAR discoveries

    1. MWMichael Waddell42:37

       Yeah. I'm so intrigued by that. I think I'm more intrigued with it-... hunting and traveling and being in these places. Like, we, we went down ... I love to turkey hunt. I love to turkey hunt. Matter of fact, I'm, I'm gonna do everything in my power, and ev- a- anybody that listens that's ever (laughs) even ever knew my name knows everybody's like, "Dude, you gotta get Cam and Rogan to go turkey hunting. You gotta."

    2. JRJoe Rogan42:59

       I went turkey hunting once.

    3. MWMichael Waddell43:00

       Did you really?

    4. JRJoe Rogan43:01

       I went with Renello. He took me.

    5. MWMichael Waddell43:01

       Did you really?

    6. JRJoe Rogan43:02

       Yeah.

    7. MWMichael Waddell43:02

       Renello, dude, he's, yeah. He-

    8. JRJoe Rogan43:03

       It was fun.

    9. MWMichael Waddell43:04

       Yeah. He's f- I, I love turkey hunting. I just love it, and that's how I kinda broke into the, the industry, I guess.

    10. JRJoe Rogan43:08

        It's definitely a superior turkey to eat.

    11. MWMichael Waddell43:11

        Whew. They are.

    12. JRJoe Rogan43:12

        They're delicious.

    13. MWMichael Waddell43:12

        They are delicious to eat, and, um, but anyway, with that said, I, we were down, um, right outta the Yucatan Peninsula hunting ocellated turkeys, which is a different species. You can hunt all these turkeys and get different slams, they call it.

    14. JRJoe Rogan43:24

        Yeah, I think Renello's got the slam.

    15. MWMichael Waddell43:26

        Yeah, Renello's done it.

    16. JRJoe Rogan43:27

        He's a big turkey hunter.

    17. MWMichael Waddell43:27

        And so I went down there with actually Troy, Troy Link of Jack Link's Jerky, and he's a big hunter, so we all went down there m- kinda for the adventure and to say, "Yeah, we hunted the jungles." And dude, a- amazing, you know, you got all that Mayan civilization and all this stuff that I saw, even Graham Hancock, but what people don't realize, we're out in the middle of this jungle, and I'm walking around. And, uh, the guy I'm with, he don't know English, and I'm like, and Cohen Starnes, our producer, he's standing there, and I was like, "Dude, this is a, this is one of those pyramids." Like, we, we're walking up, and I'm, I'm trying to figure out if I can hen call 'cause nobody had ever figured out if you can hen call to these ocellated turkeys. I get to looking around, and so finally I'm tapping this guide on the shoulder, and I'm like, "Bro, you know, Mayan?" He says, "Oh, si, si." And I'm like, "There's so many of those structures out there."

    18. JRJoe Rogan44:13

        Yeah.

    19. MWMichael Waddell44:14

        And we're out there hunting turkeys. They don't think nothing about it. It's kinda like us walking around out in the middle of the woods in Georgia and finding an old well, you know? We're intrigued.

    20. JRJoe Rogan44:21

        (laughs) Right.

    21. MWMichael Waddell44:21

        But they're like, "Oh, yeah. There's ... They're everywhere." So-

    22. JRJoe Rogan44:24

        Wow.

    23. MWMichael Waddell44:24

        I only knew about the ones that was on the postcards, you know?

    24. JRJoe Rogan44:27

        Right.

    25. MWMichael Waddell44:27

        Like-

    26. JRJoe Rogan44:28

        Like Chichen Itza.

    27. MWMichael Waddell44:28

        Yeah, when you're out there having a, a Corona-

    28. JRJoe Rogan44:30

        Yeah.

    29. MWMichael Waddell44:30

        ... on the beach and somebody-

    30. JRJoe Rogan44:31

        Mm-hmm.
11. 52:01 – 1:18:14

    City vs. country perspectives: why hunting changes people (and why media misrepresents it)

    1. JRJoe Rogan52:01

       The first time I went hunting, I went with, uh, Rinella took me and Brian Callen and it's the same deal.

    2. MWMichael Waddell52:04

       Okay, yeah.

    3. JRJoe Rogan52:05

       Brian Callen's fucking hilarious. We were just crying laughing-

    4. MWMichael Waddell52:08

       (laughs)

    5. JRJoe Rogan52:08

       ... in Montana, freezing our dicks off, having a good time. Uh, my experience was the opposite. Always lived in cities, always-

    6. MWMichael Waddell52:15

       Yeah.

    7. JRJoe Rogan52:15

       ... you know, and then the first time I went hunting was with Rinella.

    8. MWMichael Waddell52:19

       Mm-hmm.

    9. JRJoe Rogan52:19

       I had, I had been camping before when I was a kid, but there was... I had no real exposure to nature.

    10. MWMichael Waddell52:24

        Right.

    11. JRJoe Rogan52:25

        And I remember just after that week doing it, I was like, "I'm doing this for the rest of my life." Like, "This is-"

    12. MWMichael Waddell52:30

        It hits you.

    13. JRJoe Rogan52:31

        Oh, 100%. I- I remember cooking the backstraps over the fire. It was me and Rinella and- and Callen and the crew, and we're just like sprinkling some, like, seasoned salt over-

    14. MWMichael Waddell52:43

        Yeah.

    15. JRJoe Rogan52:43

        ... these backstraps and cooking them over the fire, and we're eating 'em with our hands, and I was like, "I'm doing this for the rest of my life. This is like one of the greatest moments I've ever had in my life, one of the greatest experiences." I felt so tuned into it. I was like-

    16. MWMichael Waddell52:57

        Yeah.

    17. JRJoe Rogan52:57

        ... "This is something I've been missing. Like, this is..." And it- it's a whole new world. I- I explained it, I was like, "It's like you're in a different dimension." The first time I shot a deer was on that show.

    18. MWMichael Waddell53:10

        Mm-hmm.

    19. JRJoe Rogan53:10

        So, I'd never hunted an animal before. I'd only been fishing. And the first time, I'm looking at that deer through the crosshairs of that rifle, and I'm-

    20. MWMichael Waddell53:18

        Yeah.

    21. JRJoe Rogan53:18

        ... just calming myself to squeeze a shot, and I squeeze off the shot and the deer drops like a stone, and I was like, "Oh my God." I'm like, "This is what I'm doing forever."

    22. MWMichael Waddell53:28

        Yes.

    23. JRJoe Rogan53:28

        And then once I started eating it, I was like, "Oh, this is, this is my new thing." I'm like, "I'm obsessed." I was obsessed.

    24. MWMichael Waddell53:33

        Golly.

    25. JRJoe Rogan53:34

        Obsessed, and then obsessed with what I w- all I had been missing.

    26. MWMichael Waddell53:38

        Yeah.

    27. JRJoe Rogan53:38

        Just the experience of being in the woods is so different than anything... The way people think of hunting, unfortunately, we've been poisoned by movies-

    28. MWMichael Waddell53:48

        Correct.

    29. JRJoe Rogan53:48

        ... where the hunters are the bad guys. They're always douchebags, they're always-

    30. MWMichael Waddell53:52

        Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:52:11