EVERY SPOKEN WORD
150 min read · 30,023 words- 0:00 – 15:00
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- NANarrator
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- JRJoe Rogan
Wes, very nice to meet you.
- WHWesley Huff
Joe, pleasure.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, uh, I, like many people, was introduced to you because of the, uh, debate-
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... that you had with Billy Carson.
- WHWesley Huff
Qu- quote, unquote.
- JRJoe Rogan
You know, it's one of those things where, uh, it's very unfortunate when people get caught with their pants down.
- WHWesley Huff
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, um, I'm not an expert in many things, but the things that I am an expert on, you could wake me up at four o'clock in the morning and ask me about those things, and I'd go, "Oh, yeah, no, um-"
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
"... this is what it is."
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I know, y- you know, like martial arts or comedy, I could tell you... I could give you an expert version of r- reality.
- WHWesley Huff
Uh-huh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, it, it seems like he does not have that, and he is a wonderful talker, and it's a lot of fun. I like watching his videos. It's, I l- I love all that ancient history stuff, and even the, the most ridiculous tin foil hat aspects of ancien- it's fun.
- WHWesley Huff
It's entertainment.
- JRJoe Rogan
But I know the, d- there's a different... Like, Andrew Schultz and I had a discussion about this, like he said when he had Billy on the podcast, he said, "We're not gonna fucking research anything."
- WHWesley Huff
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
"We're not gonna search anything. We're not gonna do anything. We'll just let him talk cuz it's fun."
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Andrew's awesome. Um, but when he was on with you, it was quite apparent that you are an actual expert in-
- WHWesley Huff
Hm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... in the Bible-
- WHWesley Huff
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and in many religious, uh, texts, and that he d- d- didn't necessarily have the facts straight.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
So what was the fallout of all of that?
- WHWesley Huff
Well, it's interesting you say the expert thing, cuz I, I literally was asked to do it 24 hours beforehand. So I had, like, the m- least amount of preparation-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 15:00 – 30:00
Mm-hmm. …
- WHWesley Huff
uh, so I spent 11 days in the hospital, um, being overseen by, uh, pediatric, pediatric neurologists, uh, and specialists in, in this, because it's a very rare condition. And so they were studying me, and, um, they gave me steroids and they, they did some other tests, but really there was no true kind of treatment in that, in that... Uh, so I was doing, um, physiotherapy. I'd be pulled out of gym class in school, but it was a little bit of a joke. Like, "Can, can you move your legs?" You know, "Can you-"
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- WHWesley Huff
... "can you..." It was-
- JRJoe Rogan
Could you move anything?
- WHWesley Huff
No, nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
Could you feel anything?
- WHWesley Huff
No. No, in fact, um, when I was in the hospital, I'd, I'd wake up and there'd be, uh, pinpricks in my legs 'cause they'd be testing where, uh, like where the reactions were and they'd have used a syringe, and so I'd wake up and there'd be these tiny little pinpricks in my legs because they'd been testing while I was asleep to see what the kind of, um, you know, whether it was registering-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- WHWesley Huff
... neurologically with anything. But I couldn't feel anything. I was fully a paraplegic.
- JRJoe Rogan
Whoa.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah. But, but going back to that, like, so I've, I experienced this, what I consider to be a true supernatural experience in that I walked into the hospital, to the doctors that had overseen me, and they were the first ones that used the word miracle. They said, "We really don't have any type of medical explanation." And mainly-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- WHWesley Huff
... because there was no, um, atrophy. Because of the, the cutoff of the communication, my muscles in those 30 days were fine, um, in this short amount of time, but, uh, they said there should be something and we're, we're picking up nothing.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's crazy because, uh, I've broken limbs before and had them in casts, and just in the six weeks that you have a cast on-
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you have massive atrophy.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah. Yeah. So that-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- WHWesley Huff
... was the, the kind of predication for them using the word miracle. And so that's kind of, it marks this, what I do consider to be like this supernatural something happened and, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
Did you feel like that was like a calling that like led you to a very specific mindset after that?
- WHWesley Huff
It's an interesting way of putting it. I mean, as much as you could at 12 years old.
- JRJoe Rogan
Twelve, right. But it must have had a significant impact on your psyche and your perceptions.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah, well, it definitely led to things, like later in life I got very involved in athletics, in, in track and field. And part of that was feeling a conviction that I knew what it was like to not be able to wake up and walk out of the room.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- WHWesley Huff
And so taking that pretty seriously and, and competing competitively well into university, um, because even though, you know, I wasn't the most naturally talented individual on the team, I, I felt like a motivation to be able to, "Okay, I don't want to waste this."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- WHWesley Huff
And then later on, in terms of your original question, the, the difference in that was that I, I realized, "Okay, there's something out there. Something happened that I can't totally explain on naturalistic terms, but how do we, how do we go from that to saying, 'Okay, well then this worldview is correct'?" And so despite, you know, being raised in a Christian home, I felt like-... my parents telling me what was true is not the worst reason to believe it, but it's also not the best. And so as a teenager, I did a lot of, kind of soul searching. And like I said, you know, I was able to do that, um, to a certain level of degree because of the openness within my household, where I did, I pulled the Quran off the shelf and I read it, you know, front to back, just trying to figure out, "Okay, well, what's going on here? What's all this about?"
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- 30:00 – 45:00
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- WHWesley Huff
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- JRJoe Rogan
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- JRJoe Rogan
What is the oldest version-
- WHWesley Huff
(clears throat)
- JRJoe Rogan
... of the Bible, or the stories in the Bible? Is it the Dead Sea Scrolls, or are there older versions?
- WHWesley Huff
The Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest of the Old Testament, so when they were discovered, I mean, um, so they were discovered in 1946 to 1957 and at that point during their discovery, they pushed back a lot of our previous, uh, oldest manuscripts 1,000 years.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- WHWesley Huff
Which was a big deal. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
How old are they?
- WHWesley Huff
They're anywhere between the third century BC and the first century BC. So, it's kinda tricky because the Dead Sea Scrolls are ... They're like a library that we refer to. So it's, um, approximately 970 documents, but it's distributed out between, um, 10,000 and 11 thou- thousand fragments. So, there's a lot going on there.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- WHWesley Huff
Right? So, and some of these, I mean, are, are so fragmentary that you look at them and it's like confetti.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- WHWesley Huff
'Cause they're, I mean, 3,000 years old. Well, not quite that. They're like two- 2,000-plus years old.
- JRJoe Rogan
Animal skins too, right?
- WHWesley Huff
Well, all sorts of things. Animal skins, uh, papyri, and then some of them are actually done on copper.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- WHWesley Huff
They're, like, inscribed in copper.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, wow.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah, one of the coolest ones ... Actually this relates, 'cause I know you're a Marco Allegro guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- WHWesley Huff
The first time I was introduced to Marco Allegro was not his sacred mushroom and the cross stuff, but he published a book on what's called the Copper Scroll, 'cause part of the Dead Sea Scroll fragments are, is this inscribed document on copper, which is an ancient treasure map.
- JRJoe Rogan
Can you see it?
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it online?
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah. Jamie, pull up the ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Jamie.
- WHWesley Huff
Hey.
- JRJoe Rogan
There it is. Wow.
- 45:00 – 1:00:00
Actually, see if you…
- JRJoe Rogan
So, this was, um, in twen- can you, you show me that, that image that you showed me before?
- WHWesley Huff
Actually, see if you can find the cup.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's pretty dope right there.
- WHWesley Huff
If you scroll, there's a, there should be a cu- I think it's called the dashed.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is that it, in the lower corner?
- WHWesley Huff
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's not the cup?
- WHWesley Huff
No, if you go, it's got, yeah, if you look up cup. Yeah, that- that guy.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- WHWesley Huff
So, so see that inscription at the top beside the face?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- WHWesley Huff
So that's the one, so it goes around the top of the cup and they cracked that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Look at that dude's honker. Boy.
- WHWesley Huff
He's got a big nose, isn't it?
- JRJoe Rogan
That's a hell of a nose.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah, he can smell that Linear Elamite.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- WHWesley Huff
And so, when, so actually, interestingly enough, if you pull back Jamie, that's my, that's my, uh, so there's an infographic that I made that just popped up. So, if you click that guy-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right there?
- WHWesley Huff
... that's the one I made.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm.
- WHWesley Huff
Why is it comin' up like that?
- NANarrator
Someone else re-posted it.
- WHWesley Huff
Oh, okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, is it just bad resolution? Is that what you're saying?
- NANarrator
Uh, just someone else-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, there it is.
- WHWesley Huff
Oh, now it is mine.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's yours, okay.
- WHWesley Huff
So, actually, here, I'll be self-serving. If you go to wesleyhough.com.
- 1:00:00 – 1:15:00
Right. …
- JRJoe Rogan
always what were they originally trying to do?
- WHWesley Huff
Right.
- JRJoe Rogan
What was it based on? What w- In the beginning there was light. What, what is, what is all of that?
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
What are those stories?
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And when you take these stories and you are telling them for so long, that's why the Book of Isaiah, what you were telling me, is so fascinating, that 1,000 years later-
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you have the exact translation of this at a time where most people were illiterate, right?
- WHWesley Huff
Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, for ... I mean, it's only really been recently that we have the levels of literacy that we have today. I mean, this is part of the reason why you have these long spans of time between, like, when people live and then the ancient biographies that start to pop up about them, is because most people are just illiterate.
- JRJoe Rogan
But imagine how crazy that is, that something in a time where there's no printed press-
- WHWesley Huff
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and, uh, something that had been passed on for so long-
- WHWesley Huff
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... as a oral tradition is exact word-for-word written-
- WHWesley Huff
That's pretty wild.
- JRJoe Rogan
... you find in a cave in Qumran.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then the same thing you get in the English translation of the Bible today. That's nuts.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah. I mean, up until the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the New Testament manuscripts predated the Old Testament manuscripts by a long shot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah. Because, um, the Christians were, the Christians were less discerning in their proliferation of written documents. So the Jews had this whole system where you had to be a trained scribe, and they were very, very careful with the procedures that you went through, whereas the Christians were like, "We wanna get this thing out as fast as we can as, uh, you know, often as we can."
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- WHWesley Huff
Which had a lot of benefits in that, like, th- their goal was a proselyti- proselytization, uh-... and evangelism, and that worked. But the downside of it was that you get really messy copies-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- WHWesley Huff
... where you have copies all over the place, but, um, human error gets involved with, like, spelling differences and, you know, additions, deletions, mostly for completely, like, understandable reasons. But we actually have manuscripts where we know the person copied it and they didn't know how to read it, because they make mistakes-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- WHWesley Huff
... that you wouldn't make if you w- knew how to copy. There's this really great example of a guy who copies, I believe it's The Genealogy of Matthew, and he, um, he's looking at a manuscript that has, uh, two columns and he's copying it from left to right, and he's copying it like this. Whereas, it's like the column you go down and then the next column. So in the genealogy of Jesus, he's got all the wrong people begetting all the wrong people.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- WHWesley Huff
And you're like, "You wouldn't, you wouldn't do this if you knew how to-
- 1:15:00 – 1:20:30
Mm-hmm. …
- JRJoe Rogan
into the context of these people that were living then. It's almost impossible to imagine the way they viewed the world-
- WHWesley Huff
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and the way they communicated, you know. And when you're dealing with, like, really old stuff, like the Sumerian text, and then people have translations of it, which can be fantastical, like the Ze- Zecharia Sitchin stuff. It's like, you have to be a, a scholar in ancient Sumerian and understand the origins of language, and you have to... And then still, there's massive debate. I mean, there's a whole website called SitchinIsWrong.com.
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he's the most fun.
- WHWesley Huff
He's fun. I'm not convinced he could read Sumerian either.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
I think he was bullshitting.
- WHWesley Huff
(sighs) I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. He just, he takes so many liberties with the stuff he's commenting on, that I have a hard time getting my head around.
- JRJoe Rogan
So if he couldn't read it, where would he be getting his translations?
- WHWesley Huff
From actual translations.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay, so he would take these translations and then make his own assumptions and his own tre- his own interpretation? Is that what it is?
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah, I think to a certain degree. Um, I mean, even something like Nibiru is not a Sumerian word, it's an Acadian word.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh.
- WHWesley Huff
But he makes a big deal about it being related to Sumerian. And it's, it is a word that appears within Acadian.
- JRJoe Rogan
And Acadian is what time period? What-
- WHWesley Huff
Acadian is just after. So it, it exists kind of in a crossover, where Sumerian predates Acadian, but Acadian, uh, develops alongside. And then, um, you know, as cultures like the Assyrians come into power and kind of subvert the Sumerians, um-
- JRJoe Rogan
So what, so oldest Sumerian writing is what? What's the oldest time- timeline?
- WHWesley Huff
(sighs) Like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Six- 5,000? 6,000?
- WHWesley Huff
Yeah, around that. I think, like 4, 4,000 to 5,000 years ago.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- WHWesley Huff
And-
- JRJoe Rogan
And then Acadian is when?
- WHWesley Huff
There's some overlap, but-
- JRJoe Rogan
Ah.
- WHWesley Huff
... it's, it develops into a language, like, just after, like, the rise. And Acadian develops into, like, it ha- it has stages. Um, and then you have, like, uh, Babylonia and Proto-Babylonian, Persian, Old Persian-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- WHWesley Huff
... um, Elamite, as, as we look at-
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