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Dan Richards’ DeDunking channel, Graham Hancock origins, and first big fascination: Fingerprints of the Gods
- NANarrator
(drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.
- JRJoe Rogan
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)
- DRDan Richards
Hey.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hello. What's happening, dude?
- DRDan Richards
Not much.
- JRJoe Rogan
Good to see you again, man.
- DRDan Richards
Good to see you too, Joe. Thanks for the invite.
- NANarrator
Thanks, dude.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for coming on here, man. I really enjoy your videos, Joe. Your, um, your website, your channel, rather, on YouTube, DeDunking, is, uh, it's, it's really great because it's so obviously, like, it's one of those things where you don't need like some big crazy set or high production values to make something interesting. It's just you with a bookshelf behind you-
- DRDan Richards
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... talking about stuff, and it's great.
- DRDan Richards
Well, thanks. I, I appreciate that, Joe. Yeah, I, I'm very passionate about this stuff, so it's, it... I'm glad that, uh, people are taking notice and that I'm sitting here talking to you right now about it. It's crazy to me, so thanks.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, you were one of the g-... You, like me, um, were one of the early readers of Fingerprints of the Gods.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's sort of how you got into this whole subject, right?
- DRDan Richards
Yes, I, uh, I actually had that one pre-ordered from Hastings, uh, 'cause I'd read The Sign and the Seal.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- DRDan Richards
And, uh, so I was already like, "Graham Hancock's pretty cool. I li- I like the way he's coming at these things." And, uh, I saw that there was a thing at Hastings that said to pre-order Fingerprints of the Gods for like $25 bucks or something, you get like $3 off, and so I did and was reading it cover to cover when, uh, I had Graham sign it. And him and Santa both were just looking at how beat the hell it is, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DRDan Richards
'Cause they'd been in a construction truck (laughs) where we're going job sites for like 20 years, but...
- 1:32 – 3:11
Ethiopia and the Ark of the Covenant: radiation claims and why evidence is withheld
- JRJoe Rogan
That's awesome. Um, so The Sign and the Seal, was that, uh, about Ethiopia and the-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, the Ark of the Covenant.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. What's your take on all that?
- DRDan Richards
It's interesting. Uh, uh, any time they won't let you see the evidence, I get like, my, all of my alarm bells go off, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
It's like... But I understand why they wouldn't want you to see it, if it really is the Ark. Um, I'd like to see... I guess the best thing we could do to, to test it without seeing the Ark would be to look into the, uh, the claims that these guys go blind and they show signs of radiation sickness.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, let's explain to everybody what the claim-
- DRDan Richards
Oh, sorry.
- JRJoe Rogan
That, that they believe that this one church in Ethiopia actually possesses the Ark of the Covenant and that these priests that are supposedly guarding this, they all exhibit signs of radiation poisoning.
- DRDan Richards
Yes, they all re- just- exhibit signs of radiation poisoning. They go blind, they die quickly, and then somebody else and one priest at a time is allowed to be like the caretaker of the Ark, and...
- JRJoe Rogan
How long do they live?
- DRDan Richards
Uh, th- they wanna say like a couple years, something like that. I can't remember-
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- DRDan Richards
... really it's been. Uh, not very long, yeah. They, they, they die pretty quick.
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine that job.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
You get that call. (laughs)
- DRDan Richards
(laughs) Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
They're like, "How much do I love Jesus?" (laughs)
- DRDan Richards
(laughs) "I wanna get radiation poisoning?" Good Lord.
- JRJoe Rogan
This is kind of fucking crazy.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, and it's, uh... But there's a lot of evidence, um, in that book that was really interesting, like, uh, the, uh, Kn- Knights Templar, uh, statues and stuff and, and old, uh, old Paris cathedrals that what led Graham to, to Ethiopia. Just all kinds of weird stuff that made it really interesting, little Indiana Jones, man. It was, it's like real life kinda Indiana Jones shit. And so I was just anxious for that Fingerprints and I was disappointed.
- 3:11 – 7:07
Gamma scans, drones, and government monitoring: from Ark theory to New Jersey drone speculation
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, something that has that much radiation that kills people so quickly, would- wouldn't that be something that you could measure from outside of the church?
- DRDan Richards
You would think they'd, b- you'd think that our boys would be all over that shit with the satellites and be like, "Yeah, that's a spot to watch out for."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
"Send a team."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right, right.
- DRDan Richards
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Because that was one of the speculations about the New Jer- New Jersey drones, uh, which was really weird, was that there was a, allegedly, this is p- part of the speculation. Allegedly, there was a warhead that was missing, uh, from when, what was it, from Ukraine? Was that what they... I, uh, I think it was from like quite a while ago. So there was a warhead that was not accounted for, a nuclear warhead. And the thought was that somehow or another it had gotten snuck into the United States and these drones had the capability to scan for gamma radiation and that they were looking for excess g- excess gamma radiation, which would indicate that this thing was there.
- DRDan Richards
That would make sense. It, I, I saw that on Twitter. I saw a few guys talking about it. Um, it, it would definitely make sense. It's weird that the drones just kind of stopped around Christmastime.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, not only did they stop, but there was also this (sighs) this, I don't even... I hesitate to even talk about this 'cause it's, so much of this is horse shit.
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
But there was a lot of speculation on Twitter that there was something that broke up in the atmosphere and that th- the, the conspiracy was that this was a Chinese satellite that was controlling those drones.
- DRDan Richards
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then the Trump administration recently said, "No, they are our drones." I mean, okay, why wouldn't you fucking tell us if they were our drones? You're just flying a bunch of SUV-sized drones over New Jersey for weeks at a time.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, had to be some reason.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, what was going on and how... You know, I get, you know, I get you can't tell us everything. I get it.
- DRDan Richards
(laughs) But it, it was weird. They, yeah, they do, they just stopped at the Christmastime. I was kind of worried about that 'cause when I went to, uh, see Mark Gagnon in, uh, in Brooklyn, I just was there last week and I was like, "Man, I hope I don't see a bunch of dang drones in the sky and stuff still" but, 'cause I've had that booked out for a couple of months, but...
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, my friend Mark saw one. Mark Norman, he saw one, he said it was huge.
- DRDan Richards
Really?
- JRJoe Rogan
He said it was really big and it moved really fast. And he said it, it had propellers but it didn't sound like a regular like helicopter, so it was real weird.
- DRDan Richards
I saw a lot of videos of them and I saw a few guys talking about them that seemed somewhat credible on Twitter, but I didn't see that, th- like guys that had talked about being weapons developers and stuff like that. But yeah, it, the w- it's so easy nowadays to just bullshit your way through things and there's money in it, right? I mean, you get clicks.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- DRDan Richards
So it's like there's d- it, it, the days of it needing to be a government conspiracy in my mind are like way long gone. There's, i- I, if I pretend I see Bigfoot and I fake it good enough to get a bunch of, to, to get on Joe Rogan, well, man, I'm doing pretty fucking good now, isn't it?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, you can make some money.
- DRDan Richards
Exactly, so I, I-
- JRJoe Rogan
That is a real problem.
- DRDan Richards
I'm really skeptical of like everybody nowadays.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DRDan Richards
Like treat them all like crackheads.
- JRJoe Rogan
I am too, and I, I like that about your channel, that you are quite skeptical about a lot of things. Even things that the people that are s- you know, heretics of the arch- ar- ar- archaeological world, they subscribe to and you're like, "Eh, not so fast."
- DRDan Richards
Well-
- 7:07 – 12:24
What could the Ark be: weapon, transformer, capacitor, or radioactive power source?
- JRJoe Rogan
Huh. So, the thought is that if this Ark of the Covenant is there, and it, whatever it is is somehow radioactive, is there any sort of theory as to how they developed some sort of radioactive thing?
- DRDan Richards
(coughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, what, what is it supposed to be- w- I mean, it's, is it a, it's not a reactor. It's some- it's in a box, right?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like, what, what is it?
- DRDan Richards
Well, um...
- JRJoe Rogan
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- DRDan Richards
The theory that a lot of people have is that it's a weapon, that, uh, like in the Bible it's described like shooting lightning and things like that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
And what Graham mentions in the book, it's an interesting point, is, um, you know, the Bible records Moses going up to Mount Sinai, coming down with t- Ten Commandments, um, g- getting mad in, at the, uh, Israelites worshiping a golden calf, and he breaks the Ten Commandments and then goes back up the mountain and comes back down after another week or so with the Ten Commandments again. Um, and Graham points out that this could be a memory of him going up and getting the wrong stone, and then, damn it, smashes it, goes back and finds the right stone that he's looking for, that it had, uh, the, proper, you know, uh, uranium rich or whatever speculative radiation stuff. So, um, but inside of the box, uh, a, a popular theory is, you know, if you've got metal, wood, metal, like a transformer.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DRDan Richards
Um, and so the popular theory is it's a way to generate electricity, and it was also described like the way that guys in the Bible, or if they, if they touch it, they have to carry it with sticks, and if they touch it even to steady it, they get killed and stuff. But I, I mean, I honestly don't see it being a transformer. That wood, metal, or metal, wood, metal thing has to be stacked. You're not just getting it with one layer like the Bible describes. But, uh, it's an interesting thing.
- JRJoe Rogan
When you say it has to be stacked, you mean spaced in between each layer?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, like, um, have you, you ever seen a doorbell transformer?
- JRJoe Rogan
No.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, uh, okay. Transformers, uh, at the bottom of it will have multiple plates, and it'll be like a plate of metal and then a plate of, uh, silicone or something like that to, that's, uh, conductive, non-conductive, conductive, non-conductive. And there'll be multiples of those, and this is part of the electromagnetic changing of the, uh, 'cause what a transformer does is it steps electricity up or down and v- sw- swaps voltage for amperage, basically. Um, so, it, the metal, the metal plates are part of it. So, um, the idea is, does, that this thing would collect electricity inside the box and then you, the Israelites would use it to throw lightning at the enemies. Um, now there's still a lot of speculation as to how the box would work. But Moses was also said to, after, uh, going up and seeing God, he was said to have had to cover his face with a cloth for the rest of his life- life because it, it was shone. And Graham speculated in that book that it might be because of, you know, radiation sickness or something, that his face was covered in sores for the rest of his life.
- JRJoe Rogan
Hm.
- DRDan Richards
So, it is interesting.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, if this thing, uh, uh, is radioactive, like, how would that conduct electricity?
- DRDan Richards
No idea. It would probably be, uh, uh, if it was, it, it, maybe it's the power source, like we have radioactive, uh, batteries on satellites and shit, right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DRDan Richards
And, uh, they, they convert that radiation into electricity. So it's poss- I mean, that's, I'm, y- you know I'm not really too, like, big on the ancient high technology, but I'm always willing to speculate and look at the angles on it, and that's, that's basically where th- they come from on it, the guys that are really big into the Ark. Uh, some guys even will, will claim that it, it's a capacitor, like a full-on capacitor, which a capacitor stores and discharges electricity. It's l- uh, why we were told not to, uh, when you t- don't touch the tube on your TV when we were kids.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
'Cause it'll zap you with the capacitors.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're old.
- DRDan Richards
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
We remember tubes on TVs. (laughs)
- DRDan Richards
(laughs) I watched a friend of mine working on an arcade machine once, and one of the leads popped off of the thing, and he was bald, and it t- tapped him on the top, and it fucking laid his ass right out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Wow.
- DRDan Richards
Bam, straight to the ground. It was like, "Oh, shit. You okay?" (laughs)
- 12:24 – 16:04
Ark dimensions, the King’s Chamber sarcophagus, and Trump’s Mar-a-Lago replica
- DRDan Richards
But anyway, (laughs) yeah, that's what a capacitor is. So, um, some guys believe, like Billy Carson would, would say that it, the Ark of the Covenant would fit inside of the sarcophagus of the king's chamber, which it doesn't, and that it's a, uh-... capacitor to power the pyramid. Um, so-
- JRJoe Rogan
So, it doesn't ... How do you know that it doesn't?
- DRDan Richards
Well, the Bible has the specifications for the size of the Ark of the Covenant, and they're not the same as the s-
- JRJoe Rogan
How different are they?
- DRDan Richards
Considerably. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
Is it larger or smaller?
- DRDan Richards
Uh, the ark is larger.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, it's larger than the-
- DRDan Richards
Quite a bit larger.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, really?
- DRDan Richards
Well, on the inside of the sarcophagus.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have you ever seen the one that Donald Trump has at Mar-a-Lago?
- DRDan Richards
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
He has (laughs) a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant at Mar-a-Lago.
- DRDan Richards
No shit? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Uh, it doesn't look bigger than the-
- DRDan Richards
No-
- JRJoe Rogan
The reason why I said it is it doesn't look bigger than the sarcophagus. Maybe I need to look at it again.
- DRDan Richards
And, and I ... There's a possibility that I'm wrong there, but I know, uh, I know that, uh, the measurements are off by enough that it was like this isn't just a little mix and match. This was ... It's way off.
- JRJoe Rogan
I feel like we should have a recreation of the Ark of the Covenant here.
- DRDan Richards
You probably should.
- JRJoe Rogan
I probably should.
- DRDan Richards
There's no reason.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jamie, can you pull up that one? It ... Was it visiting the Mar-a-Lago?
- NANarrator
I think so. I'm trying to find, uh, the story on that.
- JRJoe Rogan
But it's pretty dope, man.
- NANarrator
Yeah?
- JRJoe Rogan
It's like Indiana Jones-type dope.
- DRDan Richards
Nice.
- JRJoe Rogan
It's, it's really cool. It looks awesome. But if that's real and these guys are just guarding it and dying of radiation poisoning, like hey, get some fucking better leadership and let the world know.
- 16:04 – 19:08
Why the Great Pyramid feels impossible: precision, timelines, tools, and lost-technology debate
- JRJoe Rogan
That, that, that's crazy. The, the King's Chamber itself is so bananas. The, the whole thing. Like, why?
- DRDan Richards
I-
- JRJoe Rogan
What did you do? Why'd you do it this way? How'd, how'd you have the resources? How'd you get those stones that are that big up so high?
- DRDan Richards
Oh, man, there's so much. There's so much about the pyramids in general that are just so hard to even ... Like, the ... Like, I'd mentioned a little bit last time we talked, the squaring of it is so ... It's, like, 756 feet long, and there's like two to three-inch variation on, on ... At the most. So, you're, uh, you're talking like thousandths of a percent on this massive s- thing. And then if you just stretch a rope from one end of this table to the other and pulled it tight, it's gonna sag a little. When you're 756 feet, you're not getting a two-inch accurate measurement at that point.
- JRJoe Rogan
With a rope.
- DRDan Richards
With ropes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
You have to use something different. So-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, so what are you using?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, exactly. That's-
- JRJoe Rogan
What are you using? How are you using it? How do you get 2,300,000 stones all placed within 20 years?
- DRDan Richards
T- So, the 20 years, yeah, that, that-
- JRJoe Rogan
The 20-year thing is nuts.
- DRDan Richards
Just th- uh, throw that one out, 'cause that's, that, that's, that's the cynical side of things. That's where they are s- "We have to stick to what we know-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DRDan Richards
... what we believe." It's like the, the ... Just a couple pharaohs before, that guy built three pyramids.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DRDan Richards
So, uh, you can't just say, "Well, these guys were only building them each generation for tombs." It's, uh, uh, it seems to me like it's a multi-generational project. If that's ... If these guys were the ones that built them, like, like the historians say, it seems to me like every generation was working on three. "I'm, I, I break ground on my grandson's, I'm getting my son's going, and I'm finishing mine." Every generation was probably doing that, 'cause these things prob- took 100 years to build, man. They're huge.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, the only explanation outside of that, it was some lost technology.
- DRDan Richards
Yes. I completely-
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the only explanation.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The problem with the lost technology thing is where's the tools? Like, what would you use? There, there is some evidence that there's some sophisticated cutting methods. The coring.
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
The drills that indicate, like a very high-speed drill, which is interesting. So it's not just as simple as, uh, you know, getting some tube and, uh, slowly working its way through. The, the way it's cut into some of the granite indicates that it was done at a high speed. So the question is like, how, what, what was the material? Where is it? What happened to it?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. And you c- like, the, the argument, of course would be this is the kind of stuff that would get looted right away, right? If you watch-
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
... watch Mad Max, and they're not running around picking up bottle caps. They're picking up the, the stuff you can use. But (sighs) uh, uh, uh, on the flip side of that, the, um, you know, the evidence ... You know, if you look at any one of your videos or mine that are about the pyramids, you're gonna have thousands of comments of people that are like, "Here's my theory on the th- pyramids."
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
And most of these are pretty mundane. Most of these are, "I think they might've used water, too."
- 19:08 – 25:19
Younger Dryas, catastrophe indicators, and Alaska’s mammoth-bone ‘boneyard’
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I think if we're looking at a linear timeline between the technology that was available to people, say, 15,000 years ago and today, then yeah. Then you have to look at it in a more mundane way, because obviously, they didn't have electricity then. You're thinking, obviously, they didn't have diamond-tipped cutting tools that were made out of, like, some super titanium or whatever the fuck the alloy was. But if we're looking at lost technology and if we're looking at the possibility of... You know, when you get into Graham Hancock's stuff, specifically the Younger Dryas impact theory, which, uh, I'm always fascinated by both the people that fully support it and the people that fully dismiss it. Both of those things are interesting to me, because you don't know. Just stop.
- DRDan Richards
Thank you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Just stop.
- DRDan Richards
Thank you.
- JRJoe Rogan
Shut... Shut your hole.
- DRDan Richards
That's so accurate right there. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Shut your hole. We're all just guessing.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
We're guessing, but we're all looking at some really interesting stuff, right? We're looking at the iridium. We're, uh, we're looking at the micro diamonds, the nano diamonds. We're looking at the-
- DRDan Richards
Black matte.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Do you know about, uh, my friend, John Reeves up in Alaska? The, the, uh, the bone yard in Alaska?
- DRDan Richards
No, I don't.
- JRJoe Rogan
John Reeves, he, he actually... This... He found this. Um, this was actually sawed. This is an... That's an ancient mammoth bone.
- DRDan Richards
Oh. Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
The, the, the cut... The piece that was cut out was how it was carbon dated. And I forget what the carbon date it was. It wasn't that extraordinary. Um, hundreds of years I think, right? It was only hundreds of years, right? Or maybe a couple thousand. I forget what it was. But the fact that it was sawed at the top was very interesting-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because they were trying to f-... Some of the bones, they've dated to tens of thousands of years, including animals that they've found-
- DRDan Richards
Wow.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that, um, they found bones of that weren't even supposed to be in this area. So, he has a very small piece of l-... Well, he has an enormous piece of land, but a small piece of it, I think it's only about six acres, where they're finding an enormous number of wooly mammoth bones. Um, short-faced bear, uh, the, all these different... L- lions and, uh, all these different animals-
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... that some of them they didn't even think were in Alaska 10,000, 15,000 years ago. And there's also a thick layer of dark carbon that indicates that, like, something happened. Like, there was some sort of massive burn. And the theory is that there was a enormous flood and that this was a basin where a lot of these animals that died got washed into and then covered, so they have this wall that is, uh, essentially permafrost, and they hose it down. They do it all the time. And then they see a m- a, a mammoth tusk, and then they slowly work it their way out.
- DRDan Richards
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
But he has... Where... Go to this... Go to his Instagram page. John was abo-... He's... Every year, he's our last guest, but-
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... this year, he got pneumonia.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, I see that.
- JRJoe Rogan
So, we, we had to delay him until recently. But this is all stuff that they find. He's a gold miner, so this is all-
- DRDan Richards
Oh.
- JRJoe Rogan
... stuff that they find-
- DRDan Richards
Incidentally.
- 25:19 – 34:41
Gatekeeping in archaeology: Gobekli Tepe, ‘heretics,’ and the Flint Dibble vs Hancock controversy
- JRJoe Rogan
But his spot, in my opinion, is one of the best indicators that there was a mass casualty event. There was some sort of a huge catastrophe that took place that killed all of these animals. Now, we know that humans were a- around back then. The question was, how sophisticated were they? And this is where it all gets so weird. You know, because I've been following this forever and ever and ever, and I was following it long before they discovered Gobekli Tepe.
- DRDan Richards
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so the question was that the archeologists would always, the, the really arrogant archeologists, would always throw in the faces of these heretics. They would say, "Well, if this is true, where's the evidence-
- DRDan Richards
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
... of this ancient civilization that was so sophisticated they could make massive stone structures 10,000 years ago? There is no evidence."
- DRDan Richards
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, now there is.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. There's-
- JRJoe Rogan
So now they have to kind of look at it and go, "Well, okay, we were wrong about that, but we're still, we know 2500 BC maximum, that's how old the pyramids are."
- DRDan Richards
They don't, they don't, uh ... It ... A lot of the scientists, most of the scientists are actually scientists, but the ones that we end up seeing are the ones that are invested in, uh, creating a narrative. They're the ones that they want to make sure that pseudo-archeology and pseudoscience is always on its back foot and never gets a fair day in court and blah, blah, blah. These guys, they don't, they don't give us any real accurate interpretation of the data. They'll step way outside of their lane to tell you what's going on. It's, they, they-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, you mean like Flint Dibble?
- DRDan Richards
No. I mean, I mean exactly like Flint Dibble. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) Well, you were the guy that broke down, uh, what he was inaccurate about when he was having that, uh, air quotes "debate" with Graham Hancock.
- DRDan Richards
Well-
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, yeah. It's all-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, it was-
- JRJoe Rogan
... very unfortunate because what he does know is really interesting. All that stuff about ancient seeds and stuff and how they, they change over the time, and, you know, how you can tell whether a seed is domesticated versus whether it's feral.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's, he's, he's good at what he does, um, as, at least as far as that stuff goes. But like, uh, like there was another, there's a guy that's a trained anthropologist that made a couple of videos about him, uh, Sam Urban from, uh, Illegitimate Scholar, and he, uh ... I think Graham mentioned him here before. Um, he, he's a, he specialized in, uh, uh, underwater shipwrecks and he just blasted the stuff that Flint said, not just the three million shipwrecks. He just blasted on a scientific level, "This is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong."
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, he got way out of his lane with that.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, and, and that's, you know, it ... I ... That's, I guess, one of the biggest things here. The, you, the, all those guys right now are laughing, going, "You're an electrician, Dan. You're outside of your lane every time you talk about this shit." But the difference is-
- JRJoe Rogan
More like you're outside of your lane.
- DRDan Richards
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm outside of my lane about fucking-
- DRDan Richards
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Every, if I'm not talking about people getting beat up or cracking jokes.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DRDan Richards
Well, only you would have a painting of you busting Schengulis's ass. (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) 'Cause-
- DRDan Richards
I didn't make that. Every, every time he posts that picture, he's like, "I had a great time watching your video." I'm like, "Man, I, I've seen that 100 ... That's a, that's a beautiful work of art," right?
- 34:41 – 40:58
Ancient tech claims: Baghdad Battery and the Great Pyramid as a power plant (Christopher Dunn)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs) It's kind of amazing that batteries work at all, which one of the things I wanted to bring up to you is the Baghdad Battery.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, do you think that's real? Is that, was that what that was? Or is there some debate? Let's, let's tell people what it, what it is.
- DRDan Richards
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
The Baghdad Battery.
- DRDan Richards
It's, uh, it's a clay pot. There's a number of them. They're clay vessels, they have a, uh, a copper and lead inside of them. And, um, the way that the cap is and stuff, you could potentially fill them with orange juice or something like that, a minor acid, and get an electric charge from it. Now, it wouldn't be much of one, but you could do it. And that's ... Something that's worth noting right there is that you can ... This has been ... Archeologists have determined it. Well, yeah, I mean, we don't like to admit it, but yes, these potentially could have been batteries, so ... Like, there's a, a guy that did debunking on it that's an arc- a popular YouTuber and another archeologist came around and, and kinda slapped him around a little bit. And he had to admit, he's like, "Okay, yeah, I didn't do my research good."
- JRJoe Rogan
So, this is the Baghdad Battery?
- DRDan Richards
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
What is the conventional explanation for what these things are?
- DRDan Richards
Um, the conventional explanation is, uh, that they're pots. They really don't have, like, a, a good solid, uh, debunking of it. Like, des- despite what it says there o- on the screen. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
But because of what ... I mean, this is not speculative, right? Because of what the actual materials are, if you filled it with a minor acid-
- DRDan Richards
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... it would conduct electricity.
- DRDan Richards
Yes. Yes. You, you, uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
So, it does work.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. And, and, and it wouldn't make a lot, but, uh, it would make a little.
- JRJoe Rogan
Like how much is a little? Like enough to power a toothbrush?
- DRDan Richards
Uh, I don't think that much, but I know that the reports anyway was that a guy was able to make a very minor, um, electroplating with it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DRDan Richards
And that would be the, the kind of thing that would most likely applications because other stuff requires serious-
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay. Right. So, like plating things with gold and stuff-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... like that. Hmm, interesting. So, the real, the c- the craziest theory of all for sure is the Christopher Dunn. The Christopher Dunn theory about the actual pyramid itself. He believes it's a massive power plant.
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
And he believed that they were using some sort of chemicals and a certain frequency of, like, vibration to generate hydrogen with all the chambers and all. And, you know, the way he describes it, it sounds very compelling-
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... because there's, I don't know what he's talking about. I don't ... He might, he might be making it all up, right? So, the way he's saying it sounds so interesting. I've never heard anybody try to break down whether or not what he's saying makes sense, though.
- DRDan Richards
Well, I like Chris. I get along with him well. I talk to him on the phone probably a couple times a month. Um, he's, uh, we ... And he knows that I disagree with him. Um-... the, well, the thing that right off the bat, as an electrician, the first thing that, what, uh, stands out to me is the claim of getting piezoelectricity from the blocks. Um, which piezoelectricity is the electricity you get from, like, a quartz crystal when you stress it, so like your watch or a charcoal igniter for a grill, right? You just, there's a, the igniter's just a piece of quartz that they pop it with a little spring and a stick when you pop it, and, uh, and it's got a piece of metal on each side and wires, and that harnesses the charge. That's the first thing, is each one of the quartz crystals in those big limestone blocks would have to have a piece of metal around it and wires coming off of it, or some, some way of harnessing the electricity. There's tons of natural electricity happens all the time, right? Tons of, uh, but you have to harness it in order to do something with it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is this just our understanding of how to use electricity, and could there potentially be something that we missed?
- DRDan Richards
Well, it's p- uh, oh, um, uh, there's, there's definitely stuff we don't know about electricity. I mean, we'll start there. There's clearly things we don't know about it. We're, we still have guys working on the shit all the time, and they're making better and better semiconductors and whatnot all the time, and, but, um, having said that, maybe? But at that point, it's you're, we're kind of like ... M- my thinking on that is, is if we're going to say this is a technological thing, and here's the way we get there, and then it's like, "Well, but we can't really do this. Well, couldn't it be something else?" Well, at that point, why say that this is, why build a technological story from what we have? Why not just make shit up?
- 40:58 – 49:36
Egyptian iconography and pareidolia: Dendera ‘lights,’ Eye of Horus, and AI hopes for decipherment
- DRDan Richards
pillows. Ergo, they must be concrete." Well, it's like, h- Jamie, could you show, uh, that stupid image with the anime face on it? I, I'm using this one to drive that point home that the pareidolia is not, just because it looks like something does not fucking mean that ...
- JRJoe Rogan
The pareidolia?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. It's wh- pareidolia's when you see s- see something in the clouds or whatever.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, okay.
- DRDan Richards
Okay? Just because something looks like something doesn't mean that this is a way to suss what a fucking ancient artifact is.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, this one is the image of the, the Eyes of H- is the Eyes of Horus? Is that what that is?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And then, so there's a lot of weird speculation as to what that means, right? And some people-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... think it means the pineal gland.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, there's a lot of, of, of speculation about that, agreed. But we can, but my point is, obviously, we can't just assume that, "Oh, well, because it looks some anime girl, it's d- ancient Egyptian swirl."
- JRJoe Rogan
Of course.
- DRDan Richards
But that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
One of the best ones is that, the image of, uh, someone holding up something that either is a basket or looks like some sort of frequencies are emanating-
- DRDan Richards
Hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
... from some device.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, that one's interesting.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. Like, maybe it's a basket. It doesn't look like a basket, though.
- DRDan Richards
No.
- JRJoe Rogan
It looks, looks like some- you're trying to indicate something.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, it does, it does look like they're trying to, at the very least, highlight-
- JRJoe Rogan
And there's the other ones with the, the, is long, phallus-looking tubes that's, that, that seem to be some sort of energy source or something.
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm. Well, a lot of, and a lot of them have that, like, pyramid shape on their, on their crotch, right? A lot of them-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DRDan Richards
D- just like this big, straight, and it's not, it doesn't look phallic. But I mean, it, it kind of implies it, but it, it imply- almost like it's a s- like it's symbolism for something. Right?
- JRJoe Rogan
Those long tube ones, see if you could find those, how would you describe that? Like, if he's gonna search for it.
- DRDan Richards
Um, (sighs) should look energy emanating from the thing. Uh.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- DRDan Richards
I mean, that's, yes. This, this is one of the hardest things about this is trying to find-
- JRJoe Rogan
Bam, he found it.
- 49:36 – 1:07:09
Mars anomalies: the ‘big square,’ nearby features, and how skeptics and believers talk past each other
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. The, um...Have you seen the, the recent images that they got from Mars of that big square?
- DRDan Richards
Mm-hmm.
- JRJoe Rogan
What the fuck is that?
- DRDan Richards
I, I... It's one of those things where, um... I was with talking to Jamie just before the show. It's a, is a bad day to be a professional skeptic, I'm telling you what. If this is you've been making the last... You're living the last 20 years poo-pooing all the aliens and UFO shit and whatnot, man, oh, man, is it a rough day for you. Because that same shit was LiDAR from the South American forest, you'd be like, "Yeah, there's probably a village there. That makes sense."
- JRJoe Rogan
This is even more clear than LiDAR, right?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, I know. It's, it's super square.
- JRJoe Rogan
'Cause it's above the surface.
- DRDan Richards
Yeah. Super square.
- JRJoe Rogan
Jamie, pull a photo of it up. This is super recent, right?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, just a few days ago I found it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, this, this-
- NANarrator
They found it recently. I think it's been online for a while.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, really?
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, really?
- NANarrator
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was reading.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh. So there's... Is it that there's a mass of data that they scan from the surface and then someone just detected this recently?
- NANarrator
I think someone just found it on the website.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, it might be one of those things. It's like who is going to go by hand over each one of these images and... I mean, you're dealing with the entire surface of a planet that's... What is it, like, three quarters of the size of Earth?
- DRDan Richards
Uh, th- Uh, man, that might... I think that might even be a little smaller than-
- JRJoe Rogan
A lot smaller than that?
- DRDan Richards
Yeah, I think, I think it's-
- JRJoe Rogan
Or larger than that?
- DRDan Richards
I think it's... Yeah. I think it's a little larger, but I could be wrong.
- JRJoe Rogan
Uh, well, so something j- smaller than Earth-
- DRDan Richards
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... but bigger than the moon, and you're gonna go over the entire surface of it.
- DRDan Richards
It's a lot.
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah. And this... I think they think the rough estimates of this square are between 300 kol- uh, 300 meters and multiple kilometers.
- DRDan Richards
(exhales deeply)
- JRJoe Rogan
They don't know how big it is. You know, but it's 'cause it's, like, it's hard to get a reference.
- 1:07:09 – 1:15:56
Peru controversies: alien mummies, elongated skulls, corruption, and ‘discovery’ theatrics (Cusco tunnels)
- DRDan Richards
Look at those alien bodies right now in Peru, right? Those-
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah.
- DRDan Richards
Okay.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, we've been looking at them.
- DRDan Richards
Oh, I'm sure you have.
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- DRDan Richards
And the scientists keep saying they're real, but the only fucking scientists I ever see weighing in on them are Peruvian scientists.
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- DRDan Richards
It's like, "Okay, let, let, let some people from around the world..." "Oh, no, no, no. Fuck you guys. These are us." Ah. All right, man. That's... I'm...
- JRJoe Rogan
But is that like a hyper-exaggerated version of the boneyard?
- DRDan Richards
It, it, it could. It could be.
- JRJoe Rogan
With deeper implications?
- DRDan Richards
It could be, but we've seen, uh, a lot of the same kind of stuff with them with, uh... Oh, they, they have a problem in Peru with archeology and, and corruption with the money. Like, uh... I don't know if you saw my video on the elongated skulls, but, um, they-
- JRJoe Rogan
I didn't.
- DRDan Richards
Okay. They, uh... That video, I just cover basically how-... those things came in these big bundles. Okay? They'd get these grave bags and there'd be a body in there. And so they harvested couple of, at least like 600 of these bundles. And every time, uh, th- they'd just get opened and willy-nilly shit get moved around. Uh, Rockefeller ends up trading for a few of them and into finance, 'cause they couldn't, didn't have finances, uh, to store these things properly. Uh-
- JRJoe Rogan
So Rockefeller got some of those heads?
- DRDan Richards
Oh, oh yeah. He, his, he, he br-... And we don't know how many exactly. He c-... Re- reportedly just four. But like, he gives the money to these people to s- to like restore all these mummies and the first thing that they do is they restore a bunch of textiles that other mummies that they don't have anymore were like packed in and shit. It's just... A- even, all the way up into the '60s, an anthropologist opened like 70 some odd bundles, recorded what he found in four of them, and put the rest back on the fucking shelf. They've been stealing artifacts and selling them on the open market.
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