Joe Rogan Experience #2280 - Peter Berg

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming music) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (drumming music)

   3. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (rock music)

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:13

      Are those black coffee for coffees? Are we up?

   5. NANarrator0:16

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      All right, we're rolling. Those, those are a lot.

   7. PBPeter Berg0:18

      Is this too much?

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:19

      They're delicious.

   9. PBPeter Berg0:19

      Am I making a- am I making a rookie mistake?

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:21

       No, I love them. They're too good, though. They're- they're- there's a lot of sugar in them. They're trying to make one with no sugar. They're pretty close. But right now, that- that's got a ton of sugar in it. But damn, it's good.

   11. PBPeter Berg0:31

       Yeah, they taste good.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       We did the full thing today, dude.

   13. PBPeter Berg0:35

       Thanks for the workout.

   14. JRJoe Rogan0:36

       My pleasure, it was fun.

   15. PBPeter Berg0:36

       Thanks for the work- you're a- you're a beast. For anyone that doesn't know, you are a fucking beast. And I suspected you would be, you know. That's why I wanted to work out. Um, and I was smart enough, and I told you right away, I'm not gonna keep up with you. Um, but man, you go hard for anyone-

   16. JRJoe Rogan0:53

       You did a lot of the things, though. You did all the stuff, you know? Like, and stuff that you'd never done before, like windmills and-

   17. PBPeter Berg0:59

       Yeah, those windmills were like, you could really get in trouble with the windmill.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       Yeah.

   19. PBPeter Berg1:04

       For people that don't know what that is.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       You certainly can with heavy weight, yeah. It's something. But it- all those things, like the push-ups and body weight squats, it's all just a- you have to build to it. You know?

   21. PBPeter Berg1:13

       I love the way you warm up, you know, 'cause I- I'm the same way. Um, I do a long warmup every day.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Mm-hmm.

   23. PBPeter Berg1:19

       Uh, and my buddy Ari got me into it, and- and just try and stretch absolutely everything. And I was telling you, I got thrown off a horse in Africa a month ago, and when I was in the process of getting thrown off and I was, like, in the middle of the air, and I'm about to come down and I'm like, "Oh, shit. This is gonna be a problem." And I thought about those warmups, and I landed and rolled and didn't hurt myself. So, I think those are really smart.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       Yeah, if we could just appreciate when your body works well without having to be injured, it would be so nice.

   25. PBPeter Berg1:51

       Right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:51

       'Cause you really only think about your- oh, God, I hope my body heals, when you get injured. If you get fucked up, then you think, "God, I can't wait to get healthy again." But if you just appreciate- and the best way to appreciate your body working well is to keep it working well.

   27. PBPeter Berg2:06

       Yeah, man.

   28. JRJoe Rogan2:06

       Is to work on it. Like, stretch out, work out, li- lift weights, get some cardio in. Do the stuff that's uncomfortable, like stretching. I- I like that you started off your workout with a nice long stretch.

   29. PBPeter Berg2:18

       We had a good stretch.

   30. JRJoe Rogan2:19

       Yeah.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. PBPeter Berg15:00

      It's your show, so please come in." And, you know, it's hard for her to keep track of all these shows and all the scripts, and I was impressed that she even wanted to come in. And so she came in, uh, to the edit room, and she's like, "I'm gonna watch one episode." And it's kind of a big deal. She's, you know, very influential person in, in our world. And so it's me and Hugo, the editor, and Bela comes in, and we sh- we're showing her the first episode, and we're just sitting in this kind of dark screening room, and I have no idea what she's gonna say or do. And it's pretty violent. And it ends, and she goes, "I want to see another one." And I'm like, "O- okay." We started playing the second episode, and we're getting right to the moment where, spoiler alert, these women are about to have their throats cut. And I'm starting to have a-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:44

      (laughs)

   3. PBPeter Berg15:44

      ... a full fucking panic attack-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:46

      (laughs)

   5. PBPeter Berg15:46

      ... because I'm pretty sure that she doesn't know what's coming up, right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      Yeah.

   7. PBPeter Berg15:50

      And, and Hugo, the editor, is kind of looking at me like, "Should I stop it?" I'm like... And I d- I really didn't know what to do. And we're... And I... We get to the moment where this event happens, and my body heat was, was literally rising. I'm ready for her to, like, fire me and take the show, and I don't... And the scene happens, and the girls get their throats cut, and she says, "Stop." And w- we stop. And she goes, "Peter, I can sense you're concerned about my reaction. Let me tell you something. I'm here for this violence. I'm not afraid of this violence. As long as you make it emotional and connect me to the emotion, do it."

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:28

      Wow.

   9. PBPeter Berg16:28

      And I'm like, "Thank you, Bela." And she left, and she allowed us to explore the kind of grit and intensity that people have reacted to. And I tip my hat to her for that, you know? It's, um, it's not... You, you need that kind of support, ah, to get something like, uh, American Primeval made today, because it's not, you know, it's not your grandmother's Western.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:56

       No. It's critical that you do it that way, because if people want to really know what that was like, if you read the historical accounts of what happened, that's what happened.

   11. PBPeter Berg17:07

       For sure.

   12. JRJoe Rogan17:07

       It happened that way.

   13. PBPeter Berg17:09

       And, you know, the-

   14. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       And it's... It was horrific.

   15. PBPeter Berg17:12

       One of the things that, you know, a lot of people have, have talked about, and I had... You know, the LDS church issued a statement sort of critiquing the show and critiquing me, um, which I appreciate, and I understand why, um, members of the Mormon community would be offended by the portrayal of Brigham Young, um, and the Meadows ma- the Mountain Meadows Massacre, which was the event that, you know, we use as kind of our inciting incident, um, for the first episode. Which was a real massacre that the Mormons committed on a group of, uh, pioneers who were heading out West, where, um, m- uh, Mormon militia with some, um, uh, uh, Paiute Indians attacked and murdered about 140 men, women, and children.... and we present that, uh, in the, in the film, and we present Brigham Young in the film. And most, m- many Mormons, it's interesting if you start reading all the debate about it, but a lot of Mormons were saying, "Yeah, this is exactly what happened, and this is a part of our history," and then other Mormons, particularly the, the seniors in Salt Lake City were saying, "This is not what happened. This is not fair." But what I, what I find interesting about the Mormon, uh, Church, and, and about kinda how we present it, is I've had a lot of people come to me and go, "Dude, I never knew the Mormons were such savages."

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:33

       (laughs) So gangster.

   17. PBPeter Berg18:34

       They were fucking gangster.

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:36

       Gangster. (laughs)

   19. PBPeter Berg18:36

       Brigham Young was, in my opinion, a gangster, a survivor, a warrior. And for anyone who follows, um, Mormon history, you know, they started in Upstate New York with this young kid, Joseph Smith, who found these tablets and basically rewrote the Bible, and started getting this following. And then they moved to Missouri and they got popular, and then there was an extermination order, and it was, "Kill all the Mormons." So they fled to Illinois and, and tried to survive up there at this place called Nauvoo that was gonna be their, you know, peaceful place to live. And, and Joseph Smith was murdered, and they were run out of, uh, Illinois. And Brigham Young led these dudes, men and women, on foot across the plains in the winter to Salt Lake Valley, which was this desolate wasteland, and he said, "Oh, we'll stay here. They'll never come for us here." And they started coming, and Brigham Young basically said, "Fuck it. We're not taking it anymore." He built his own army, the Nauvoo Legion, and he said, "We're, we're staying here. We won't mess with you, but if you come after us, we will fight." And that, that point, I think, is interesting, and I think Brigham Young, uh, who survived more, longer than all of them, and if you go to Salt Lake City, he did a pretty good job.

   20. JRJoe Rogan19:58

       (laughs)

   21. PBPeter Berg19:58

       Right? Like-

   22. JRJoe Rogan19:59

       Yeah.

   23. PBPeter Berg19:59

       ... that's a big city, man. And-

   24. JRJoe Rogan20:01

       It's a great city.

   25. PBPeter Berg20:01

       ... and, and I don't know. I, I, I respect the Mormon religion. I respect Brigham Young, and I feel like we make him look like a gangster in American Primeval, and, um, I don't know. He's, he's a survivor, and I respect that.

   26. JRJoe Rogan20:20

       Well, this is the reality of historical figures. You're, you're talking about a different time in the world, and it was a particularly barbaric time. And if you wanted to survive, this is what you had to do. And this is n- we're not talking about the United States in 2025. We're, we're talking about the Wild West, and, and you're talking about a persecuted group of religious people. Like, if you wanna survive, you want your children to survive, like-

   27. PBPeter Berg20:48

       You gotta fight.

   28. JRJoe Rogan20:48

       ... you gotta take up arms. That's just how it is. Like, you know the story about the Mormons in Mexico, right?

   29. PBPeter Berg20:53

       Remind me.

   30. JRJoe Rogan20:54

       Well, um, there's Mormon sects in Mexico that moved there when they made, uh, poly-
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   (laughs) …

   1. PBPeter Berg30:00

      o- have owned this event, and they were very willing to talk about it, which is kind of like them buying a full-page ad in-

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:07

      (laughs)

   3. PBPeter Berg30:07

      ... in Book of Mormon.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:08

      Right, right.

   5. PBPeter Berg30:09

      They're like, they're like, you know, "We know you're gonna make a film about the Mor- the Meadows Massacre, that's probably gonna be inflammatory in some ways. However, come visit us. We wanna meet you, we wanna show you, we wanna play music, uh, for you." And, um, I don't, I had an incredible time with the Mormons that were, you know, involved with us doing the research for, for Primeval.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:33

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   7. PBPeter Berg31:53

      The biggest, the biggest single issue if you get into the weeds, and I think it's an interesting point of debate, is whether or not Brigham Young knew and authorized this massacre. And the way the massacre played out in real life was different how we did it in the film. In the film, we did it in, you know, one swell move. Like, it just happens, and you know, we, we filmed it in one shot, and it's, you know, pretty intense, visceral, very fast events, and then it's over. In reality, this, this wagon train was surrounded by the Mormon militia, the Nauvoo Legion, and some of these Native Americans, and it went on for about four or five days. And the Mormons dressed up as Native Americans. This is where it gets kind of... The, some Mormons aren't thrilled that we pointed out the fact that they were trying to put the blame on the Native A- Americans. So they literally, Mormons dressed up as Indians to confuse the pioneers, and in case there were survivors to say, "Oh, it wasn't Mormons, it was the Native Americans that did this." So, they don't love that. But what, what the Mormons claim, or some in the Mormon Church claim, is that during the three or four days that the siege took place, before the actual massacre, uh, and the details of the massacre are really fucked up, because the Mormons pretended they were accepting a surrender. Uh, so they went in with white flags, and they said, "Okay, the men walk this way, the women and children w- we're gonna walk you to safety, because the Indians are gonna kill you." The Mormons said, "We're here to save you." So they started walking them out, and then on a, someone's signal, they just killed everyone. It was really bad. Um, but the issue of whether Brigham Young knew about it or didn't know about it, we imply that he knew about it. We never say that he authorized it, but we imply that he did know about it. And what many of the, the, the defenders of Brigham Young will say is that there was a letter written where Brigham Young said, "Do not harm the, these pioneers. Don't, don't kill them." But the letter was sent by horse while the massacre, while the event was already occurring, so I've had people say he knew that that letter wasn't gonna make it there in time. He was covering himself. "Oh, hey, I wrote a letter."

   8. JRJoe Rogan34:06

      Mm-hmm.

   9. PBPeter Berg34:07

      "I knew it couldn't get there in time, but I wrote a letter so there's plausible den- deniability." No one knows. It's hard to believe if you really start getting into this, and obviously I did, and know it's not on the top of everyone's list of things...

   10. JRJoe Rogan34:19

       Mm-hmm.

   11. PBPeter Berg34:19

       ... to give a fuck about. But it's really hard for me to believe that in 1857, a group of Brigham Young's soldiers would on, act unilaterally on their own and commit a crime this horrible without somebody approving it. It's hard, it's hard for me to...

   12. JRJoe Rogan34:35

       Yeah.

   13. PBPeter Berg34:35

       ... to imagine. But, um, so that's the single issue that tends to, um, you know, if, if I do, and I really try not to, like, um, my girlfriends turned me on to Reddit. I never even really knew what it was.

   14. JRJoe Rogan34:49

       (laughs)

   15. PBPeter Berg34:49

       Oh my God. Like, I don't-

   16. JRJoe Rogan34:52

       Like, what? Uh.

   17. PBPeter Berg34:53

       Like, like, Reddit is fucking crazy.

   18. JRJoe Rogan34:57

       Yeah.

   19. PBPeter Berg34:57

       Um, I was talking to, uh, you know Jack Carr, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan35:02

       Mm-hmm.

   21. PBPeter Berg35:02

       You know, and he's, uh, he's getting into, you know, making movies, and he's doing all this cool stuff with The Terminal List, and, and I think he's a great guy. And he was talking to me about, um, reviews, 'cause it was the first time he was ever getting reviewed, right? And, you know, any filmmaker who says they don't read the reviews is lying, okay? They're just fucking lying. And, and they, we do read reviews. And we care, it, and they hurt, you know? And, and he's like, I guess he'd gotten, you know, read something he didn't like on, um, The Terminal List, and he's just called me, he's like, "How do you handle this shit? I wanna kill this mother- I can't," (laughs) I mean, "Ah, ah, ah."

   22. JRJoe Rogan35:40

       (laughs)

   23. PBPeter Berg35:40

       And he's freaking out, and I'm, I mean, I'm not, he, he wasn't really freaking out that bad, but he was pissed. And, and I'm like, "Jack, you know, welcome to the world of, you know, what we do. You, people are gonna, are gonna talk."... and like, and like, you don't understand what ... Like, before Reddit, and, and comments, and all the things, back when we first put movies out, man, there were three critics that mattered, like, when I first started making movies. There was this guy, Kenneth Turan, in, uh, in the LA Times. There was Janet Maslin in the New York Times, and then there was Siskel and Ebert, right?

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:14

       Yeah.

   25. PBPeter Berg36:14

       Thumbs up. And like, they had so much power, right?

   26. JRJoe Rogan36:18

       Mm-hmm.

   27. PBPeter Berg36:18

       So you'd, you'd make a movie, and you'd spend, you know, tens of millions of dollars, and you'd put your heart and soul, and ... And like, we never tried to make bad movies, right? Like, that's, that's never the goal. We're always like, you know, we wanna win. Some ... It's hard to make a good movie. But you'd put all your, your heart and soul into these movies, and then it's fucking three critics that control your fate, right? And I was telling Cara about, um, you know, my first movie was called Very Bad Things. It was about this bachelor party that goes haywire, and-

   28. JRJoe Rogan36:51

       That's a great movie.

   29. PBPeter Berg36:51

       Appreciate it. Thank you.

   30. JRJoe Rogan36:53

       I love that movie.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   And it, it did,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

   2. PBPeter Berg45:00

      And it, it did, it did hurt me. It did, that review, but I was younger. Um, but if, if I do stay true to my instincts and my passion, and I follow it, A, the work seems to connect much, much better. And I don't, I don't feel... If somebody doesn't like it or wants to talk about it or debate it-

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:19

      Mm-hmm.

   4. PBPeter Berg45:20

      ... okay. It's... I don't... It doesn't hurt me.

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      Yeah, that's experience, right?

   6. PBPeter Berg45:24

      I think so, yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:25

      Yeah. That's-

   8. PBPeter Berg45:25

      Yeah. And any time I've done a job for the money, and there have been a couple, it's, it's backfired horrifically.

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:32

      Yup.

   10. PBPeter Berg45:32

       And the money was never worth it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:34

       Right.

   12. PBPeter Berg45:34

       Um, the, the, the, the crit-... The reviews did sting worse. Um, and-

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:40

       'Cause you agreed with them.

   14. PBPeter Berg45:42

       Yeah, they were right.

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       They were. Yeah.

   16. PBPeter Berg45:43

       I was lazy. I didn't give a fuck. I was... You know, I, I cared. I still... I didn't phone it in, but I wasn't locked in.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Right.

   18. PBPeter Berg45:51

       And-

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:51

       That's the difference, right?

   20. PBPeter Berg45:52

       And... Yeah. And I think one of the reasons that you don't have to read your shit is because you know you're locked in. You just are. And that's why you're, you're connecting. Uh, um, and, and, and lo- locking in. And I say it to filmmakers now because... So, kids are so confused, young kids that wanna become filmmakers, you know, that they, they think they're... You know, they're gonna work hard and they're gonna make these movies and they're gonna put their heart and soul into them and people are gonna watch them. And then they go on and they see TikTok videos that are getting, you know, 400 million likes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:28

       (laughs)

   22. PBPeter Berg46:28

       And someone's just, you know, live streaming them like making toast.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       (laughs)

   24. PBPeter Berg46:33

       (laughs) And they're like... They're like, "Wait a minute. What the fuck is happening?"

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:37

       Yeah.

   26. PBPeter Berg46:37

       And I say, "Look, all you can do is control your passion, your work, your t-... your discipline."

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:44

       Yeah.

   28. PBPeter Berg46:45

       And, and believe in something and put the work in, and I believe that the results, you know, will, will take care of themselves. Um, but it's, it's weird, you know, for, for filmmakers today and... To try and figure out how, how to... what's gonna penetrate and what's not gonna penetrate, and-

   29. JRJoe Rogan47:02

       Yeah.

   30. PBPeter Berg47:03

       I remember when, uh, when w-... The... I did that, that series about, uh, opioids, Painkiller. And, you know, that... Pretty heavy issue, and we worked really hard on that. And I was very, very proud of it. And, you know, we came out number one on Netflix, and we were number one for like six, seven days around the world. And on the eighth day, we were number two. And the number one show was a documentary made on cellphone footage about the Johnny Depp, uh, Amber Heard div- divorce trial-
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Right. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      I don't go to websites. I don't l- look at it. This laptop is just for writing. It's connected to the internet, which is a tricky thing.

   2. PBPeter Berg1:00:07

      Right.

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:07

      But there's a rule. So my home computer is, there's no rules. I might watch YouTube videos. I might fucking watch a little Netflix. It's, you know, iMac, so it's big screen. I might do all kinds of stuff on that computer.

   4. PBPeter Berg1:00:21

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:21

      But when I'm writing, my laptop is only for writing. And so there's, there's... I don't allow myself... There's no TikTok, there's no Instagram. There's no nothing. I don't ever look at anything else. I just write. And I use the browser, the... I use fucking Bing, which is like, who searches shit on Bing?

   6. PBPeter Berg1:00:40

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

      But you could... You know, it's good enough to find out-

   8. PBPeter Berg1:00:43

      Right, right.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

      ... what's real and what's not real. That's the only time I use it. That's it.

   10. PBPeter Berg1:00:47

       And do you experience, like, euphoria when you're writing on occasion?

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

       Yeah.

   12. PBPeter Berg1:00:51

       Do you blow your mind?

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:00:53

       Well, you know these ideas are not... They're coming from fucking the ether.

   14. PBPeter Berg1:00:58

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:00:58

       They're coming from somewhere. I know that creativity is an individual thing, and it varies. But for me, my best ideas seem to come outta nowhere. It's like, I don't even know if they're my ideas. They're, they're coming from some place, and this is the concept of the muse, right? Like the muse is bestowing upon you these beautiful gifts of creativity. And if-

   16. PBPeter Berg1:01:19

       Steven Pressfield stuff, right?

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

       Yes, yes. The War of Art, amazing book. I have a stack of them out there I give to people.

   18. PBPeter Berg1:01:26

       Yeah, I love him. He's a big inspiration to me.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       Yes. He's incredible. And he's just, he's just a brilliant guy.

   20. PBPeter Berg1:01:31

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:32

       But that, that's where, where it's at. It's just like setting this table, showing up, and then trying to pull these things from this other dimension, this, wherever the fuck they're coming from. And then I get these little nuggets, and then the nuggets I transfer to my phone.

   22. PBPeter Berg1:01:52

       I, I feel bad for people who never get to experience that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:56

       Yeah.

   24. PBPeter Berg1:01:56

       You know? I, I keep a, a necklace, uh, with, with a dog tag and a quote from a William Blake poem, and he said, with... That, that, uh, has always just helped me quite a bit. And it's, uh, "The only thing pleasing to God is the creation of beautiful and exalted things."

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:02:16

       Ooh.

   26. PBPeter Berg1:02:16

       And I remember the first time I got to experience the power of writing, and, and something... It was like literally a religious experience. I, I don't know what happened. I kind of blacked out. I lost track of time, and I wrote eight pages, and I looked at it, and I'm like, "I don't know where this came from." And I read it, and I blew my mind, and I felt like I was having almost a religious experience.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:02:42

       Wow.

   28. PBPeter Berg1:02:42

       And, and that quote, when I read it, "The only thing pleasing to God is the creation of beautiful things." The creation, being creative, and being able to, um, please God through creativity, uh, or, or have a religious, a mystical experience, um, that's not drug-induced, um, through your power of your, your creativity-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:03:04

       Yeah.

   30. PBPeter Berg1:03:05

       ... um, I, I think it's the greatest thing in the world. And it kind of saved my life, because if I hadn't found writing and filmmaking, I don't, I don't know what I would've done. I, I wouldn't have been... I, I mean, I don't know.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:18:05

   (laughs) And this is…

   1. NANarrator1:15:00

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      (laughs) And this is just-

   3. NANarrator1:15:04

      Holy shit.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:05

      ... they're just practicing and doing rehearsals-

   5. NANarrator1:15:09

      Holy shit.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:15:09

      ... of all the graphics packages. This isn't even... The audience is even in yet.

   7. NANarrator1:15:16

      This is insane.

   8. PBPeter Berg1:15:17

      Oh, wow.

   9. NANarrator1:15:18

      And, and this is nothing compared to when they had the graphic packages running and, I mean, it was unbelievable. It's, uh, just the amount of money that it cost to put on a show there, though.

   10. PBPeter Berg1:15:31

       Do, do you think that, like, is it gonna be profitable? Like...

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:35

       Wow.

   12. PBPeter Berg1:15:35

       Like, like how do you make that money back? Like it's...

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:15:39

       I don't know.

   14. PBPeter Berg1:15:40

       How much did it cost?

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:15:41

       I think the UFC spent something like $25 million over a normal budget for a pro-... For a, for an event.

   16. PBPeter Berg1:15:48

       For an event.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:15:48

       An event.

   18. PBPeter Berg1:15:48

       But I was just thinking, like, if you pay... I think it was Dolan, it was, uh, the Madison Square Garden folks that, that-

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:15:54

       Mm-hmm.

   20. PBPeter Berg1:15:54

       ... put that deal together. And I just, I'm like, well, okay, it holds, how many? 35,000? Uh, 20,000?

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:16:01

       I don't think it's even that much.

   22. PBPeter Berg1:16:02

       It's not that big, and I just... Like, they... Someone spent a lot of money on that screen, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:16:07

       Yeah.

   24. PBPeter Berg1:16:07

       Like, that's a lot of technology.

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:16:09

       Yeah.

   26. PBPeter Berg1:16:09

       But... So you thought, you thought that Turki, he did a great job. But was Turki involved in the UFC fight at, uh...

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:16:17

       He was involved in Riyad Season, was a part of the Sphere event. It was co-promoted by Riyad Season.

   28. PBPeter Berg1:16:22

       So in, in theory, Dana could work with him-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:16:25

       Yes.

   30. PBPeter Berg1:16:25

       ... in some way and start-

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