Joe Rogan Experience #2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

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      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Yeah, alright, we're rolling. You just said something that's like very important. Can't be dogmatic when you're talking about vaccines, or about anything.

   4. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries0:21

      Yes, it is good to keep an open mind, isn't it? And be flexible and look at a 360 degree view of things rather than y- your tunnel vision and what you're indoctrinated into, isn't it?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:32

      Yeah, and especially if you know that that indoctrination has been on purpose and profitable. And, you know... One of the great things about your book is, um, first of all, your book's called Dissolving Illusions. I know I've talked about it on the podcast a, a bunch of times. But you, um, you also highlight a lot of things that we know are beneficial that somehow or another get lumped into nonsense, like even cinnamon. Like-

   6. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:01

      Yeah. Cinnamon is a p- is a powerful, uh, herb actually, and it's known to be helpful in glucose handling for... A lot of diabetics taking it in capsule form now. I noticed, um, at the end of my nephrology career, uh, that a lot of my own patients were taking cinnamon capsules. But it also has a lot of vitamin C in it and I think that was probably one of the keys. A lot of those old remedies that we wrote about, the magic in them probably was the vitamin C in them.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:28

      I dismissed all that stuff as total nonsense. I was like, "Oh, that's hippie nonsense like echinacea. Like get out of here. It's hippie nonsense."

   8. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:35

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:35

      Garlic? Come on, get out of here. But then the more I've read things, es- especially like garlic is incredible for staph infections for some reason.

   10. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:45

       It is.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       And-

   12. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:46

       And it doesn't be, develop drug resistance like a lot of the drugs that are engineered for it. Um, yeah, the hippies seemed to have got it right I think. (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:54

       Well, (sighs) it just, that, that whole idea of natural remedies is so just universally dismissed by non-silly people. You know, when you say natural remedies, that's great. If you have a heart attack, go to a doctor, stupid. You know, that's generally-

   14. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries2:10

       Mm-hmm.

   15. JRJoe Rogan2:10

       ... people's appeal to authority.

   16. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries2:12

       Right.

   17. JRJoe Rogan2:13

       But it's, the doctor should be recommending those things too, like they're, they're good too. Like vitamin D, super important. You know, vitamin A, super important. And one of the things that you talked about in the book is that, um, I think this was really important, when you were talking about the measles vaccine. You were saying that, um, either, i- if you get an infection with measles, just a natural infection, or if you get the vaccine, you're still going to get depleted of vitamin A. Like if you get vaccinated for the measles, you should be taking vitamin A as well.

   18. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries2:46

       That's right.

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:46

       Your body's going to get depleted just by getting that shot. They don't tell you that.

   20. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries2:50

       No, they don't tell you anything, just Tylenol, which actually makes the vaccine not work as well, in addition to causing all kinds of immunological disturbances at the time that you're supposed to be up regulating your immune system against this dreaded disease. Um, yeah, but one of the things about the, the recommended by the, you know, the white coats and the authorities is, is that they, the public believes that so many drugs and remedies are standardized, that the conventional medical system gives out. And when you go to actually look at them, and this includes vaccines, even though they're standardized, meaning that the manufacturers are told what the regulations should be in terms of production, when people go and look at them, they find it's anything but standardized. It's very variable, which is why we see such variability in the, um, in the results when people re- receive them. That's only one reason why there's so much variability.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       And do you think it's the immunity to, uh, any legal consequences that has allowed them to sort of operate like this?

   22. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries3:51

       Well, we certainly saw an explosion of their creativity since 1986. So 19- actually, in 1986, you're, you're referring to the National Child Vaccine Injury Act that was passed in 1986. But before 1986, we had 1976, which was the swine flu vaccine fiasco. And that was, that was a situation where there was so much injury that the vaccine producing companies were no longer able to get insurance. And so they went to the government, and they said, "We need you to indemnify us." And they did, and so the government absorbed all the lawsuit cases that happened as a result of the Guillain Barre that happened from then. And so that kind of set a precedent for 1986. So back then, vaccines were just kind of, you know, pieces of microbe or maybe a live attenuated virus. Uh, and then they would put a background of all kinds of horrid things inside of it and tell you it was just a clear, beautiful, pure solution. But that's beside the point. So, uh, then 1986 comes along, and because there's so many lawsuits happening because of the diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccine, that again, the vaccine companies couldn't continue to go on the way they were because they were being sued so much. So then this, this horrible act was passed which, to some people, seemed like a good idea. And this is always how it goes is, "We're going to make you this promise. Yes, yes, yes, we're gonna, we're gonna cover all the lawsuits now out of taxes. But it's going to be okay because we're gonna, we're gonna pay out these lawsuits and you're going to be fine. If you- if your kid takes one for the team, you're going to be okay." And what happens is after time, after they get their foot in the door, they narrow down the, um, th- they, they basically have a kangaroo court that decides if you're eligible. And so the qualification tables got narrowed down because in the beginning they were paying out so much of this. So not only did it make the vaccine companies very, very wealthy and indemnified, but as you alluded to just a minute ago, um, the creativity of the vaccine companies expanded so that after that they could add different, what we call adjuvants, things that stimulate the immune system so the vaccine works better. Uh, then they start... That's why we're able to be in a messenger RNA vaccine situation today which, which that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for this indemnification that... You know, the vaccine trials have always been a bit of a joke, but they're even more of a joke today than they were in the beginning. I mean, we've never seen a vaccinated/unvaccinated, um, study that's, that is accepted by the powers that be as, um, you know, good enough. The, the va- the vaccinated/unvaccinated studies that they have, they use another vaccine for. You probably know that. So if you're testing a measles vaccine, (laughs) you know, you could test it against a diphtheria vaccine or a flu shot vaccine is tested against a hepatitis A vaccine. There's no saline placebo because the few studies that exist with saline placebos show-... how bad the vaccine actually is and how it makes you not only not respond to the dis- disease when it comes around, but more susceptible to it in many cases.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:40

       Have there been any instances where vaccines have been helpful?

   24. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries6:45

       The question of the century, isn't it? Okay, now we have to back up a minute because I had that same question and I had to go dig deep. To all the questions you have in your head right now, I had them too at one point. So here I am, a medical doctor working in the field, believing in pretty much everything I was told, giving hundreds if not thousands of vaccines out to my patients, hepatitis B vaccines in particular, flu shots for sure. I was a nephrologist, a kidney specialist, and dialysis, etc. And initially, you know, we all kind of have an aversion to needles. I think it's a natural human aversion. So when we're kids we don't, no one's going, "Oh, I want to go get my vaccines." We're like, you know, "Okay, fine. Sore arm, you get over it." Most of us were lucky enough to get over it. Um, so by the time the first instance of a problem occurred in front of my eyes, I was already a fully seasoned professor of medicine, you know, working in a, in a tertiary care medical center, okay? And so it, it's been a bit of a process because for me it was the influenza vaccines in 2008, 2009 that showed me without a doubt that vaccines can and do cause kidney failure and put people on dialysis, that that does happen. It can cause hypertension. So we're not told to take a vaccine history in medical school. We're not told to even look there. It's not even part of ... especially in adults. But when I did start looking there, I, I, I started to see more and more associations. Let's just put it that way. And so first I had to go down the flu, the flu vaccine bunny trail, and every time I went down that flu vaccine bunny trail, guess what I was asked? What about polio?

   25. JRJoe Rogan8:22

       Right.

   26. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries8:22

       So I thought, all right, even though this has absolutely zero to do with polio because I'm watching people crap out in front of me after influenza vaccines, let's see about polio, because I knew very little about polio, just like most people walking around out there do, that, you know, it was invented by this guy named Jonas Salk and it saved humanity and we don't see these little crippled kids anymore, we don't have iron lungs anymore, yay. Um, well, (laughs) I would have to say that the polio bunny trail was the darkest one of all. And, uh, so after polio then became smallpox and I thought, you know, we still have people walking the earth that have experienced the polio years. So I, I kind of like to stick to polio because most of the smallpox, you know, people that would've been as- would've been familiar with it are, are off the planet, but there's still some doctors around that'll talk about smallpox, like the guy named Thomas Mack who's probably close to 90 who was kind of ground zero in the 1940s and knows a lot about it and still says we shouldn't be vaccinating for smallpox today. Um, so then there was that, and then everyone and their dog was talking about autism and I didn't really want to have anything to do with autism because I was an adult doctor for adults.

   27. JRJoe Rogan9:28

       I think we should break down step by step, like what about polio?

   28. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries9:32

       Yeah. Yeah.

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   30. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries10:39

       (laughs)
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   Is... Could it possibly…

   1. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries15:00

      so that they could test it for polio. And what they found was 98 to 99% of every person they tested, and it was hundreds of people, had all... had evidence of immunity to all three strains of polio. And they said to them, "Well, where are your crippled children? Where's your short legs? Where are the people that died of respiratory failure?" And they were like, "We don't have... We don't have any of that problem." So it was well-known-

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:22

      Is... Could it possibly be that whatever they're, you're calling polio evolved and became less powerful over time and more contagious? Does the... That does happen with some, some viruses, right?

   3. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries15:34

      Most viruses in nature don't become more problematic as they go through the human, the human system. They become less problematic. Remember, remember the-

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:42

      Right.

   5. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries15:42

      ... the whole COVID thing. Like, in the beginning, people were getting super, super sick. It was, it wa- wasn't as contagious, but it was more virulent. And as it attenuated into the human bodies, it sort of just felt s- it kind of fizzled out a bit. And then we got the Omicron, which was, you know, less... It was more spreadable, but it was much less pathological. And that's the natural process that happens. So when you're gonna have problems, real problems with, um, microbes, they're usually going to be reverse attenuated, meaning made more lethal in a lab, and then they're introduced into the population. And look, I'm not making this up either, 1916, uh, Upper East Side Manhattan, uh, there was a Rockefeller lab that their, their specific stated goal was to try to create the most pathological, neuropathological strain of polio possible, and they did that by taking monkey brains and human, um, spinal serum and injecting it into monkeys. And, um, there was a big problem with that, which was released into the public by accident, and the world experienced the worst polio epidemic on record, 25% mortality. That's unheard of. Uh, really freaked the public out. But as it, as it c- and you can see the epicenter as it fanned out, and as it fanned out, and as time went on, never heard of it again. It, it attenuates as it moves through the body because it's a normal human commensal that goes back to its normal state when it's in a human, and that's generally what happens. If you have a highly lethal virus and it kills a lot of people, those people are dead. They can't spread anything. So that's kind of a different story if you want to talk about hantavirus or something like that. But as far as polio goes, no, polio was only made more lethal by the stupid things that humans did around it to make it more invasive into the body, just like you can go do stupid things and end up with herpes outbreaks and, uh, you know, staph outbreaks. (laughs) Poliovirus is a normal convince- commensal, it used to be until we obliterated it with oral vaccines and replaced it with vaccine strain, but the wild strains are, um, normal human commensals.

   6. JRJoe Rogan17:40

      So there's vaccine strain polio that just comes from a vaccine and is transmissible?

   7. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries17:46

      Absolutely. Um, today, it would be the oral polio vaccines because they're the live strains and they're still giving them in pulse fashion all throughout India. Um, they, they did a campaign a few years back in, uh, Israel and they always say that a nomad came and, you know, pooped in the sewage ses- system and they find it in the sewage system and they don't want an outbreak to happen so they treat everybody. So that's today the most common reason to see, um, polio, poliomyelitis disease from a virus. If you test for a virus, they'll usually find the vaccine virus, and that's why today we don't... Remember when we were kids, because we're about the same age I think, uh, they would give us the sugar cube.... um, maybe you didn't, but I did. I got the sugar cube, and that was the live, um, vaccine. Well, they stopped doing that because after a while the only cases of polio ... And it became so obvious that the only cases of polio we were seeing related to a virus, um, when they tested for poliovirus, were vaccine strains, so then they started injecting us again. But the early injections caused more paralytic polio than it prevented, and that's the part that people don't understand when they say, "What about polio?" 'Cause they, they, like you, just go, "Well, there's no more iron lungs, there's no more crippling, there's no more of these little, poor little kids walking around with their, their casts." Well, that's, that's not true because the iron lung is now called a ventilator, so that's out the window. Transverse myelitis, which there are about 1,300 cases, uh, I think it's a month diagnosed in one particular, um... I, I put a quote, I put a quote in here on that. But transverse myelitis is actually something that would have absolutely ... It, it follows the same patho- pathology as polio. It would've been called polio back in the day. So we still have polio that we had in 1953, because in 1953 all you had to have to be diagnosed as polio, anyone could diagnose you, just one examination with, uh, one set of muscles being paralyzed. There was no timeframe on it. There was no testing done on it. And then it was considered a public service to do it, because then you were eligible for funding.

   8. JRJoe Rogan19:42

      So, wh- what do they call it again? Can you say that word again? Myelitis?

   9. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries19:45

      Ho- poliomyeli- ... Poliomyelitis is the definition of the actual pathology, you know? So it basically means inflammation of the gray matter of your spinal cord. That's what polio in Greek, poliomyelitis. It means gray matter inflammation, poliomyelitis. Poliomyelitis is, is what happens in the body, okay? If you want to talk about what causes it, then okay, maybe in some cases the poliovirus causes it, um, and th- all the other things we just mentioned, arsenic, lead arsenate, calcium arsenate, um, injections. Tonsillectomies were huge cause of some of the worst cases of poliomyelitis. And in fact, injections and tonsillectomies and unnecessary surgeries were put on hold during the years where the epidemics were the worst, so that's just proof that even the surgeons knew that.

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:34

       Why, why, how is it affected?

   11. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries20:36

       Okay, so if you happen to have poliomyelitis circulating in your body that's not just sitting in your intestines, and say it made its way into your body, because we can. Things can go from your intestines into your body, uh, and you happen to, um, have it close to a nerve that's up, say, around your throat, and then you go and take a- tonsils out, then what you've done is you've given that access to the blood compartment, the lymph com- the lymph compartment, and the brainstem, which is right there, local. So those were the people that would get what was called bulbar polio, which is the ones that put you on a ventilator and ma- and it's highly lethal. It's one of the ... It's the worst kind of polio to get, bulbar polio, and it was very well-known to have been coincident with tonsillectomies. Not only that, but tonsillectomies changed, um, the structure and antibodies and the immunity that occurred in the throat, and it changed it for the, for the worse, not for the better.

   12. JRJoe Rogan21:28

       Uh, do you think they're unnecessary? Or i- is there some times when people have to get their tonsils removed, or is it just a nonsense practice?

   13. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries21:36

       Okay, so (laughs) again, it's not a- it's not just a cut-and-dry answer, because let's just say that anyone who's ever brought their child to me because the tonsils were touching or they were snoring has not had to have a tonsillectomy. Now, does that mean that a tonsillectomy won't solve that problem where you're snoring and your, you know, your kid's maybe not oxygenating? No, if you let it go that long, probably you're gonna need a tonsillectomy, but I, I have seen so many cases reverse. It's a very easy thing to do, but as doctors, we're not taught about all the things that you were talking about earlier, the, the natural remedies. But just simply gargling with a solution of, um, of sodium ascorbate, vitamin C, can make a huge difference 'cause tonsils are like ... They're like porous golf balls, if you want to think of them that way. They got pits in them, and, and so food you eat and bacteria and pus can build up. And if you just start rinsing the outsides of them and start nourishing the body from the inside, and getting rid of things that the kid might be allergic to, which almost every kid's gonna eat if your parent doesn't know better, it can make a (laughs) remarkable difference in these kids that have these huge tonsils. So I think that a lot ... I think everything else should be done first before taking out the tonsils if there's time, because I'd say 95% to 99% of the time, you can prevent that child from needing their tonsils removed.

   14. JRJoe Rogan22:50

       Before we go to smallpox, I wanna talk about this 'cause you just brought it up. What, uh, uh ... One of the things that Bret Weinstein has, uh, explained to me is that, uh, aluminum is, uh, when the, the concept is that giving someone an, a shot with aluminum in it and triggering an immun- an immune response, if they're eating certain foods during that time, they can then develop an allergy to those foods, like certain people with peanuts and, and various things like that, that are, used to be very common for people to eat, but then a bunch of people developed, like, pretty severe food allergies. And he a- makes this connection that he believes, he goes, "It's reasonably ... It's a reasonable connection to say that there's something."

   15. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries23:39

       Absolutely, oh, 100%. And, and it's, it's not just something that he's dreamed up. Again, provable medical literature in the book, Dissolving Illusions. Um, the, the physiology, the pathology is known. I- it's very well-known that, um, the vaccines that have aluminum in them skew the immune system. So the immune system kind of just ... If you want to break it down s- really simply, you have your TH1 arm and your TH2 arm. Your TH1 arm is your really important one. Those are the s- those are your T cells, you know, your lymphocytes, the cells that, you know, chew up any garbage that's going around. That's the part you want activated in any infection you have, whether it's COVID, or measles, or smallpox, or whatever. And then you have your TH2 arm, which is there mostly to deal with parasites and things like that, and it's mostly an antibody arm of immunity. That's the one that vaccinologists are obsessed with, making sure there's enough antibody. So tho- the vaccines that have aluminum in them, as opposed to the live attenuated vaccines, which don't have aluminum ... All the other ones do, so your DTaP's gonna have aluminum in them. All your killed vaccines are gonna have aluminum in them. And that is very well-known to trigger that TH2 response, which is the allergic response, which can set up your body for autoimmunity. Um, and so-... part of the pro- part of the purpose of, of, you know, breastfeeding, which has been a part of the, the blueprint for humanity and every other mammal, uh, is that the mother is able to introduce antigens in the world to her baby through her own breast and things that she's been eating and breathing in, and then the baby's able to develop tolerance. So, you know, while vaccine scientists are obsessed with getting antibodies and ramping up an infant's inadequate immune system, the fact of the matter is, is that it's more important to learn what not to react to when your immune system's developing rather than to becoming defensive against every microbe that could get you. So, that's kind of the paradox there and kind- one of the battlegrounds for, you know, immunology, within immunology, and for those of us out here that are going, "What are you doing here?" You know? Um, anyway, that, that-

   16. JRJoe Rogan25:32

       You were do- you were also-

   17. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries25:33

       (clears throat)

   18. JRJoe Rogan25:33

       ... talking in your book about the importance of breast milk and the, the amount of nutrition that's in breast milk for, for a child and what it does for a child, you know, and the differences in their immune system, the differences in a lot of different aspects-

   19. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries25:48

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan25:48

       ... of their development.

   21. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries25:49

       Mm-hmm.

   22. JRJoe Rogan25:49

       Which is pretty fascinating. And most people-

   23. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries25:51

       So fascinating.

   24. JRJoe Rogan25:52

       ... kind of just assume it's food. It's just food.

   25. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries25:55

       Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan25:55

       But it's a lot more than that.

   27. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries25:57

       It's so much more than that. And I, I was actually quite startled when I really went down that rabbit hole, uh, to see not only... I mean, it is food. It's, it's excellent nutrition with short-chain fatty acids and sugars that the baby needs, and it actually trains your gut to be healthy in the long run as an adult, which trains your immune system as well. But what that mother is putting through her breast milk, you know, things like something called Hamlet, H-A-M-L-E-T, which stands for human alpha-lactalbumin made lethal to tumors. And this is a substance, this is a protein, it's like a transformer protein that, um, can literally turn into a cancer-busting molecule that is being, um, used by the oncology industry, okay? And when it's not in that form, it's a powerful protein that fights off, um, pertussis, uh, all kinds of pneumococcal bacteria. And when it's not doing that, it's food, okay? So, it's like, it's got so many different purposes. Stem cells are coming through that, that mother's milk. Activated T-cells. Activated T-cells have another substance in them that's, that is kind of hijacked by the oncology industry, and that is when, when they're immunosuppressing kids for leukemia or whatever, and they come in contact, say, with, um, chickenpox. What they can do is get somebody like me who's immune to chickenpox naturally and take my memory T-cells that remember that, and there's a substance in there, um, called dialyzable leukocyte extract. When you put that into another child, even if whether they eat it or inject it into them, it transfers cellular, that TH1 important arm of immunity I just told you, it transfers it onto them and protects them for a long time. So, that's kind of... In the old days when, when mothers had measles in the old days and normally, and they were able to pass this powerful immunity through that, that DLE factor, as well as all these other things, including preformed immune globulins. Um, I mentioned something like 80,000 stem cells (laughs) . It's, it's, it's just incredible, all... And we still have only hit the tip of the iceberg in, in, in terms of what we know about breast milk. But breast milk also, it's been proven again that if you're gonna... if you are gonna vaccinate your baby, if you're breastfeeding, the vaccine will bring that baby more into a TH1. If you're not breastfeeding and you're giving formula, that baby's going to move more into a TH2 in response to that vaccine. So, like, if... I think if, if most women understood the powers of breast milk, they, they would do everything possible to be able to do it.

   28. JRJoe Rogan28:30

       I, I, I think you make a very compelling point for that. I just... I think it's arrogant that we could assume that we could replace something with a bu- I mean, have you ever read the ingredients of formula?

   29. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries28:42

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan28:42

       Like, how could that be good?
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   1. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries30:00

      be concentrating in their milk. And so the milk, the milk would have been expressed, but what you're... you just brought me back to another place. Cows were also used during the smallpox era, and what you're saying is true about that. So, they would basically take, um, what they thought w- (laughs) sorry, it's just so dark that I ha- sometimes you have to laugh. But they would take pus from other animals, scratch it into the belly of a cow, then take the pus, the pus off of the, the big pimples that would form on the belly of a cow. Um, the cow could become very sick, and yet that cow could still be butchered up at the butcher shop. The butcher would get sick with pemphigus or some hand and mouth disease, or, you know, things that the cows n- normally catch. And so those cows could still be used to produce meat in those cases. I don't know that it was used to produce milk. I don't think that would have... I, I don't know, but I know it was used to produce meat because the butchers were getting sick and the people that were eating the, the meat were getting sick. Um, and certainly the people that took the vaccines that had certain who knows what in them, because it was shown-... like, into the 1970s, '80s, and even recently, I have a reference from after the year 2000 that there was more bacteria and fungus in the smallpox vaccines than there was smallpox virus. So it was because they had this thing called pure lymph, which was pus that came out of the horse, a horse's foot, or, um, a donkey's pus skin, or, or a cadaver of a human-

   2. JRJoe Rogan31:27

      Ugh. Ugh.

   3. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries31:27

      ... or a cow's ulcerating utters, and scraped into glycerin and called pure lymph and marketed all over the world as a s- this is the, look, Joe, this was our success. This is the one vaccine that el- uh, eliminated, eradiated a disease. Can you believe that fairy tale? I'll tell you another one. Like, that, it doesn't get crazy... This is our success. This, this vaccine that I had described in great detail with what was in it and what people saw under microscopes and then later tested genetically was what was called a quasi-species, meaning they don't even, after a while, it became its own thing. It wasn't from a horse anymore. It wasn't from a human anymore. They called it, um, humanized horse pox when they, um, when they genetically characterized the Dryvax and then ordered that every Dryvax specimen on the planet be destroyed. I think that was around 2009.

   4. JRJoe Rogan32:20

      Why did they do that?

   5. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries32:22

      Good question. I don't know. Hiding the evidence, possibly? (laughs)

   6. JRJoe Rogan32:26

      (laughs)

   7. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries32:26

      But they now have a new vaccine, um, which doesn't work. Uh, but they wanted to bring this one back when I, when I was in my, the peak of my career in 2003, they, I got a letter on my desk, um, s- stating that they needed people to get vaccinated for smallpox so that those other people that were getting vaccinated would have somebody that could treat them that would be immune to smallpox, because it's well-known that if you get a smallpox vaccine and you get these horrible scabs that you are going, you're gonna spread smallpox, and you're gonna have a horrible itchy time of it, secondary infections, you will need a doctor at some point. Well, it turns out that the trials that they did on super healthy people, soldiers that were in top shape, were so bad in terms of cardiac disease and other diseases that the government put it on hold for a second and said, "Oh, no, no, we can't do this." Meanwhile, guess what? They were using, uh, the same vaccine in the 1700s and 1800s, late, yeah, 17, late 17, late 1700s all through the 1800s into the 1900s. They would sometimes... You probably saw the picture of the, the child's arm, considered a good take, five huge ulcers on the arm be- with sanitation being what it was, no antibiotics, can you imagine having your baby have five scars on its arm, ulcerating from these things, having fevers? Sometimes the arms became necrotic. Sometimes the disease spread all over the place. And there was nothing b- to give them except bloodletting, mercurials, and arsenicals, and heating them up in a dark room with no sunlight. That was the treatment for smallpox. So you tell me why smallpox was so lethal? (laughs)

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   9. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries35:14

      (laughs)

   10. JRJoe Rogan35:14

       Well, what's fascinating also is that most people aren't aware of the, just the general public health conditions during the time of the smallpox outbreak.

   11. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries35:24

       That's right.

   12. JRJoe Rogan35:25

       And, uh, w- the, just the way, the way people lived is almost m- unheard of. You, you, you wouldn't a- you wouldn't be able to imagine just the smell of human feces everywhere. Like streets were filled with outhouses. There was animal shit in the streets. It was no sanitation. There's no running water. It's a disaster. It's a disaster. And there's no good food, so you got malnutrition. You, you're exposed to numerous pathogens and just in- waste. You probably have fecal matter on everything. It's probably unavoidable. It tracks in your house. It's l- everywhere you go.

   13. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries36:02

       It's your drinking water.

   14. JRJoe Rogan36:03

       Yeah. Yeah. You know? You-

   15. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries36:04

       Your drinking water was the pi- pa-

   16. JRJoe Rogan36:05

       (laughs)

   17. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries36:05

       ... you would skim the top off for your-

   18. JRJoe Rogan36:07

       Ugh.

   19. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries36:07

       ... drinking water back then. And we know that-

   20. JRJoe Rogan36:09

       Ugh.

   21. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries36:09

       ... co-infections make, make any primary infection worse, you know? If you have measles and you get a co-infection, it makes it worse. COVID with a co-infe- anything makes it worse. You end up with, you know, pneumonias and pus pockets in your lungs. So yeah, thank you for that description. I don't think I could've done it much better myself.

   22. JRJoe Rogan36:24

       But that's how, that's the, I mean-

   23. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries36:25

       That was normal.

   24. JRJoe Rogan36:26

       ... go watch Gangs of New York.

   25. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries36:28

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan36:28

       Like that's, that's, uh obviously a d- a drama, and, uh, you know, it's probably not completely accurate, but it's prob- I bet it's pretty close.

   27. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries36:35

       Yes.

   28. JRJoe Rogan36:35

       I bet it's pretty close to how people lived back then.

   29. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries36:37

       Yeah, th- the slums, like you can, you can actually, like in here, w- it's not all medical articles, articles quoted. Um, some of the quotes that we use are historical quotes from, you know, anthropologists that would go through the slums in New York. You know, the Ellis Island was just bringing people in, bringing people in, and these, they would sometimes have 20 people in one room with no privy, um, dark, you know, the, like you say, some of the... And the, and the sewage would run underneath the house so the smell of it would be coming up through the whole time. And then-

   30. JRJoe Rogan37:03

       (sighs)
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   It doesn't sound logical.…

   1. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries45:00

      mercury, is in vaccines, your tooth, or a toxic landfill. So if you were to drop a vaccine at a vaccine clinic onto the floor, the hazmat guys would come, and you're, you're not allowed to just pick it up if it's got a... if it's a mercury-containing vaccine. The hazmat people have to come and take that away. Yet we're okay to take, you know, set portion of that vial and inject it into, you know, a child, a three-month-old child. How does that work?

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:27

      It doesn't sound logical. And then-

   3. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries45:29

      Six-month-old, actually.

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:30

      There was also the, the issue with the different types of mercury, right? There was... Is it methyl and ethyl? The two different-

   5. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries45:37

      Methyl and ethyl.

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:38

      Yeah.

   7. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries45:38

      Yeah. Apparently, ethyl is good and methyl is bad, according to Paul Offit, uh, senior vaccine scientist. Uh, but the fact of the matter is, um, once, once mercury's methylated, and... Like, fish, fish can methylate mercury and they can get rid of it. Um, once we demethylate mercury, it's, it's in us until you do something like something called chelation, where you can put a chemical into the body that can grab onto it and pull it out th- through your urine. Otherwise, you're stuck with it. Uh, so in my opinion, all mercury's bad. Um, shouldn't be put into humans, shouldn't be in our food sources, shouldn't be in our environment, except for in the na... Look, you can even find uranium in nature, right? It's what people do to it to concentrate it and how they use it that becomes a problem.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:21

      Wasn't the, the issue that one of them, I don't know what's methyl or ethyl mercury, um, leaves the body quicker?

   9. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries46:29

      Yes, it's ethyl mercury that leaves the body quicker, because m- methyl is a... it's a, it's a chemical that gets put onto it, um, naturally. And apparently, um, I'm not an expert on mercury poisoning, but, uh, apparently methyl mercury we don't have a, the ability to excrete, but ethyl mercury we do. Um, yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:49

       But wasn't there also an issue that it crosses the blood b- brain barrier?

   11. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries46:53

       Well, anytime there's inflammation, anything can cross the blood-brain barrier. Um, th- with the... it's the aluminum that we really know crosses the blood-brain barrier, um, and that's still in vaccines today. And, um, yeah, anyway, we can get into blood-brain barrier if you want to. That's a whole (laughs) that's a whole other story.

   12. JRJoe Rogan47:12

       Sure.

   13. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries47:12

       Um, but yeah. So mercury, obviously, it can get into the brain. It's, it's found in the brain. It can get into, uh, you know, your adrenals and your other glands and im- important areas of your body. And even... The thing is that even at such low levels can cause problems. It's a known neurotoxin. There's n- has no place for circulating or being deposited in the human body in any form.

   14. JRJoe Rogan47:34

       But isn't it fascinating that they've done such a good job promoting this, that people are gonna get outraged at what you're saying? They've done such a good job-

   15. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries47:41

       Welcome to my life. (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan47:44

       A, y- and you've got a lot of courage, and I want to commend you for that, because writing that book and, and being here talking about it takes a lot of courage. And y- it's from regular people who want to believe the vaccine... They're scarier than anybody, the people that are just rabid vaxxers, and they want... They, they stand for science like they're the warriors for science, and they get very aggressive about it, and they don't even want to breach the subject. They don't even want to look at it. 'Cause the more you look at it, if you're a logical, rational person without, like, a deep-seated ideology attached to vaccines and you just looked at the reality of it, you just go, "What, what is this?"

   17. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries48:22

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan48:22

       Like, how did you trick people into injecting... wh- how many a year now for kids? What is it?

   19. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries48:29

       S- In the 70s. We're in the se- I believe we're in the 70s.

   20. JRJoe Rogan48:31

       That's insane.

   21. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries48:32

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan48:33

       That's... And then you want to demonize anybody who says anything about vaccine side effects. You are the craziest of kooks. They come down you with the hardest publicity campaign. It's so transparent. You see it coming a mile away and you're still shocked by how blatant it is, and no one wants to look at the actual issue itself, and no one wants to say, like, "Well, is she right?" If you read your book, you know, is she right?

   23. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries49:02

       Mm-hmm.

   24. JRJoe Rogan49:02

       Well, if, if you're right, and I think you're right, like, we've been lied to and we've been tricked into thinking that this is all settled science, and that's what's infuriating. It's not that it's anti-science. It's like this is not science. What you guys are doing is not science. You've subverted... you've, you've perverted that notion, and you've, you've done it in an amazing way. I mean, hats off to you. What they, what they've done in terms of, like, brainwashing people to believe that all this is-... it, it's not just necessary, but it saved millions of lives-

   25. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries49:36

       Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

   26. JRJoe Rogan49:36

       ... and anybody that is against it in any way, shape, or form is a quack and you should be deplatformed and never talked about again, and, uh, uh, polite public society and cocktail parties, you'll be shunned.

   27. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries49:46

       Yeah. Well, the way they were able to get away with it is 226 years worth of propaganda, um, because the fact of the matter is that ever since the beginning of smallpox vaccines, there have been vaccine deaths. Um, the reason, and look, we, we've added... I, I brought you a c- a special copy. This is a limited edition. Um, in the t- uh, tenth anniversary edition, we added 200 pages. We added a chapter called The White Plague. The White Plague is also tuberculosis. Tuberculosis was a side effect of the, um, of the smallpox vaccine. Uh, tuberculosis rates were rampant, and, and in fact, the, the, the inventor of the smallpox vaccine, um, his child died of tuberculosis and so did his two test subjects that he used. And it was well-known to follow smallpox. Lots of doctors talked about it, but, um, in, in about two or three years after the vaccine was, um, accepted in, in England, uh, you hear doctors speaking out about it, cursing the day they ever agreed to do it to people, to children, to anybody. And so what happened is that the government came down harder and started making it mandatory and would take your furniture away and started intimidating the doctors, and that's an age-old thing as well, and I experienced it. And any doctor that's ever stepped out of, of, of line and said something bad about vaccines will either be intimidated or worse. Um, so 220 years of prop- 226 years of propaganda, and, and so I'm just gonna give you one example, and I'll, and I'll give you a copy of this to have, and you can put it up later if you want. But in 1984, because there was so much... (laughs) so much going on in terms of the public learning about the problems with the diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccine and the polio vaccines, that a federal register was issued by the government and went to all health departments in the United States, which is supposed to have been just kept there and never circulated, and it said, quote, "Any doubts, whether or not well-founded, about the safety of the vaccination program must not be allowed to exist."

   28. JRJoe Rogan51:43

       Whoa.

   29. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries51:43

       That's literally what it said. It's straight out of, um, (laughs) you know-

   30. JRJoe Rogan51:47

       George Orwell.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:00:00

      and the McDonald's, Ronald McDonald Houses are there and everything else. Uh, but bring in a homeopathic or, you know, magnesium or vitamin C, and you've gotta get permission for it and go through so much red tape, and a lot of time you'll be told, "No, you can't give it," because, oh, you'll cause bowel necrosis, you'll cause diarrhea, you'll cause kidney stones, everything in the book that doesn't actually happen with vitamin C. Um ...

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:22

      Mm-hmm.

   3. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:00:23

      It's what most... Look, they've measured vitamin C levels on people that enter hospitals, and pretty much everybody's deficient or on the border of deficient when they enter, and pretty much everybody when they leave has, uh, got borderline scurvy.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

      Whoa.

   5. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:00:36

      If not full, full scurvy. Fortunately, they go home and start doing other things and can rebuild some of their vitamin C scores. But there, there is a, there is a lot of subclinical scurvy walking around out there, and those are the people that are gonna ha- do the worst with a vaccine and then the worst, th- they're gonna do the worst with a actual disease.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:51

      Subclinical scurvy in modern society.

   7. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:00:55

      Oh, absolutely.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

      Just from poor diet.

   9. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:00:56

      Well, you know, it's not just the poor diet. So any kind of stress will consume, uh, vitamin C. Uh, a cigarette will con- consume 75 milligrams of vitamin C, and they tell you that you only need 190 milligrams a day. That's the FDA requirement.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       Wow.

   11. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:01:10

       Uh, so you just have a few cigarettes and you've depleted your, your stores, so-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:14

       Whoa.

   13. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:01:14

       ... we don't make our own vitamin C as, uh, humans. Uh, humans and guinea pigs, you know, that's, we don't, we don't do that. And so we have to consume it. And we're reliant upon our fruits and vegetables or supplements to do, or if you eat organ meat, you can eat the adrenals that are loaded with it. But, uh, aside from that, it's, uh, your fruits and vegetables that, that are gonna give it to you.... um, so if, if you're ha- under a lot of stress, or you're taking medication, or you have a lot of inflammation or arthritis, whatever, that's gonna consume vitamin C, 'cause vitamin C is an antioxidant as well as an antiviral and, you know, good for your nerves syst- nervous system. Uh, so yeah, most people are walking around skimming the, the edge. If you have... You can see kind of a red line on some people's gums, they're probably vitamin C deficient. If your gums are bleeding a lot when you floss, you probably need some vitamin C. Um, and you know, you could have an infection too, but it will deal to the infection as well as the integrity and the collagen inside of your bones and your soft tissues. I mean, it's, it's like one of those things that's so important it should be given upon admission to every hospital.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02:13

       And what's really crazy is if you're one of those people that thinks that all you need is a, a balanced diet and you're eating, like, uh-

   15. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:02:18

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:02:18

       ... a piece of chicken and some lettuce-

   17. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:02:20

       Yeah.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:21

       ... like, that, there's no vitamin C in any of that, or not enough.

   19. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:02:24

       Probably not enough, yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:26

       Not, not enough.

   21. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:02:26

       Chicken and lettuce won't do it, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:27

       You know, if you're, if you're not consuming, like, some sort of liposomal vitamin C supplement, if you're not taking something on top of that, you're probably not at an optimal level to survive anything, which is, uh, it's also, it's, like, part of why we have so many metabolic diseases. We have bad metabolic health, we have metabolic diseases. Like, they should, it should be super obvious. Like, oh, everyone's, like, really unhealthy and doesn't have any ner- nutrients in their system-

   23. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:02:53

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:53

       ... and they're all getting really sick from all these different things.

   25. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:02:56

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:56

       Huh?

   27. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:02:57

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:57

       But everyone's like, "No, you need medicine. You need a shot, you need a this, you need a that, you need to get on this, you need to get off that and get back on this."

   29. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:03:07

       And you're a hippie if you wanna just eat KiwiFruits and get your vitamin C from that or have oranges-

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:12

       Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:15:39

   Section 6

   1. SHDr. Suzanne Humphries1:15:00

      of humanity for SV40, as well as diseases like glomerulonephritis, which they do find the pathogen, um, genetic material inside. And they- and, and even in the old days, they found it in the tumors but not the surrounding areas, so that just tells you that it was a stimulant for the tumor cells to just start, uh, propagating. Uh, so that's, that's just one of the things that ... That's just one of many, many of the obvious ones, and even though it's been well-defined in the medical literature, you will see, still see that they only admit that it causes mesotheliomas and one other thing, not that it causes all the other things that it does, that it's been shown to cause in the other medical literature that got its funding revoked.

Episode duration: 2:33:10