Joe Rogan Experience #2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

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Joe Rogan 0:06 Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Yeah, alright, we're rolling. You just said something that's like very important. Can't be dogmatic when you're talking about vaccines, or about anything.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 0:21 Yes, it is good to keep an open mind, isn't it? And be flexible and look at a 360 degree view of things rather than y- your tunnel vision and what you're indoctrinated into, isn't it?

Joe Rogan 0:32 Yeah, and especially if you know that that indoctrination has been on purpose and profitable. And, you know... One of the great things about your book is, um, first of all, your book's called Dissolving Illusions. I know I've talked about it on the podcast a, a bunch of times. But you, um, you also highlight a lot of things that we know are beneficial that somehow or another get lumped into nonsense, like even cinnamon. Like-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:01 Yeah. Cinnamon is a p- is a powerful, uh, herb actually, and it's known to be helpful in glucose handling for... A lot of diabetics taking it in capsule form now. I noticed, um, at the end of my nephrology career, uh, that a lot of my own patients were taking cinnamon capsules. But it also has a lot of vitamin C in it and I think that was probably one of the keys. A lot of those old remedies that we wrote about, the magic in them probably was the vitamin C in them.

Joe Rogan 1:28 I dismissed all that stuff as total nonsense. I was like, "Oh, that's hippie nonsense like echinacea. Like get out of here. It's hippie nonsense."

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:35 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:35 Garlic? Come on, get out of here. But then the more I've read things, es- especially like garlic is incredible for staph infections for some reason.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:45 It is.

Joe Rogan 1:45 And-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:46 And it doesn't be, develop drug resistance like a lot of the drugs that are engineered for it. Um, yeah, the hippies seemed to have got it right I think. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:54 Well, (sighs) it just, that, that whole idea of natural remedies is so just universally dismissed by non-silly people. You know, when you say natural remedies, that's great. If you have a heart attack, go to a doctor, stupid. You know, that's generally-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 2:10 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 2:10 ... people's appeal to authority.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 2:12 Right.

Joe Rogan 2:13 But it's, the doctor should be recommending those things too, like they're, they're good too. Like vitamin D, super important. You know, vitamin A, super important. And one of the things that you talked about in the book is that, um, I think this was really important, when you were talking about the measles vaccine. You were saying that, um, either, i- if you get an infection with measles, just a natural infection, or if you get the vaccine, you're still going to get depleted of vitamin A. Like if you get vaccinated for the measles, you should be taking vitamin A as well.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 2:46 That's right.

Joe Rogan 2:46 Your body's going to get depleted just by getting that shot. They don't tell you that.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 2:50 No, they don't tell you anything, just Tylenol, which actually makes the vaccine not work as well, in addition to causing all kinds of immunological disturbances at the time that you're supposed to be up regulating your immune system against this dreaded disease. Um, yeah, but one of the things about the, the recommended by the, you know, the white coats and the authorities is, is that they, the public believes that so many drugs and remedies are standardized, that the conventional medical system gives out. And when you go to actually look at them, and this includes vaccines, even though they're standardized, meaning that the manufacturers are told what the regulations should be in terms of production, when people go and look at them, they find it's anything but standardized. It's very variable, which is why we see such variability in the, um, in the results when people re- receive them. That's only one reason why there's so much variability.

Joe Rogan 3:42 And do you think it's the immunity to, uh, any legal consequences that has allowed them to sort of operate like this?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 3:51 Well, we certainly saw an explosion of their creativity since 1986. So 19- actually, in 1986, you're, you're referring to the National Child Vaccine Injury Act that was passed in 1986. But before 1986, we had 1976, which was the swine flu vaccine fiasco. And that was, that was a situation where there was so much injury that the vaccine producing companies were no longer able to get insurance. And so they went to the government, and they said, "We need you to indemnify us." And they did, and so the government absorbed all the lawsuit cases that happened as a result of the Guillain Barre that happened from then. And so that kind of set a precedent for 1986. So back then, vaccines were just kind of, you know, pieces of microbe or maybe a live attenuated virus. Uh, and then they would put a background of all kinds of horrid things inside of it and tell you it was just a clear, beautiful, pure solution. But that's beside the point. So, uh, then 1986 comes along, and because there's so many lawsuits happening because of the diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccine, that again, the vaccine companies couldn't continue to go on the way they were because they were being sued so much. So then this, this horrible act was passed which, to some people, seemed like a good idea. And this is always how it goes is, "We're going to make you this promise. Yes, yes, yes, we're gonna, we're gonna cover all the lawsuits now out of taxes. But it's going to be okay because we're gonna, we're gonna pay out these lawsuits and you're going to be fine. If you- if your kid takes one for the team, you're going to be okay." And what happens is after time, after they get their foot in the door, they narrow down the, um, th- they, they basically have a kangaroo court that decides if you're eligible. And so the qualification tables got narrowed down because in the beginning they were paying out so much of this. So not only did it make the vaccine companies very, very wealthy and indemnified, but as you alluded to just a minute ago, um, the creativity of the vaccine companies expanded so that after that they could add different, what we call adjuvants, things that stimulate the immune system so the vaccine works better. Uh, then they start... That's why we're able to be in a messenger RNA vaccine situation today which, which that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for this indemnification that... You know, the vaccine trials have always been a bit of a joke, but they're even more of a joke today than they were in the beginning. I mean, we've never seen a vaccinated/unvaccinated, um, study that's, that is accepted by the powers that be as, um, you know, good enough. The, the va- the vaccinated/unvaccinated studies that they have, they use another vaccine for. You probably know that. So if you're testing a measles vaccine, (laughs) you know, you could test it against a diphtheria vaccine or a flu shot vaccine is tested against a hepatitis A vaccine. There's no saline placebo because the few studies that exist with saline placebos show-... how bad the vaccine actually is and how it makes you not only not respond to the dis- disease when it comes around, but more susceptible to it in many cases.

Joe Rogan 6:40 Have there been any instances where vaccines have been helpful?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 6:45 The question of the century, isn't it? Okay, now we have to back up a minute because I had that same question and I had to go dig deep. To all the questions you have in your head right now, I had them too at one point. So here I am, a medical doctor working in the field, believing in pretty much everything I was told, giving hundreds if not thousands of vaccines out to my patients, hepatitis B vaccines in particular, flu shots for sure. I was a nephrologist, a kidney specialist, and dialysis, etc. And initially, you know, we all kind of have an aversion to needles. I think it's a natural human aversion. So when we're kids we don't, no one's going, "Oh, I want to go get my vaccines." We're like, you know, "Okay, fine. Sore arm, you get over it." Most of us were lucky enough to get over it. Um, so by the time the first instance of a problem occurred in front of my eyes, I was already a fully seasoned professor of medicine, you know, working in a, in a tertiary care medical center, okay? And so it, it's been a bit of a process because for me it was the influenza vaccines in 2008, 2009 that showed me without a doubt that vaccines can and do cause kidney failure and put people on dialysis, that that does happen. It can cause hypertension. So we're not told to take a vaccine history in medical school. We're not told to even look there. It's not even part of ... especially in adults. But when I did start looking there, I, I, I started to see more and more associations. Let's just put it that way. And so first I had to go down the flu, the flu vaccine bunny trail, and every time I went down that flu vaccine bunny trail, guess what I was asked? What about polio?

Joe Rogan 8:22 Right.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 8:22 So I thought, all right, even though this has absolutely zero to do with polio because I'm watching people crap out in front of me after influenza vaccines, let's see about polio, because I knew very little about polio, just like most people walking around out there do, that, you know, it was invented by this guy named Jonas Salk and it saved humanity and we don't see these little crippled kids anymore, we don't have iron lungs anymore, yay. Um, well, (laughs) I would have to say that the polio bunny trail was the darkest one of all. And, uh, so after polio then became smallpox and I thought, you know, we still have people walking the earth that have experienced the polio years. So I, I kind of like to stick to polio because most of the smallpox, you know, people that would've been as- would've been familiar with it are, are off the planet, but there's still some doctors around that'll talk about smallpox, like the guy named Thomas Mack who's probably close to 90 who was kind of ground zero in the 1940s and knows a lot about it and still says we shouldn't be vaccinating for smallpox today. Um, so then there was that, and then everyone and their dog was talking about autism and I didn't really want to have anything to do with autism because I was an adult doctor for adults.

Joe Rogan 9:28 I think we should break down step by step, like what about polio?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 9:32 Yeah. Yeah.

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Dr. Suzanne Humphries 10:39 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 10:39 Once, once we've breached that, because that's the big one.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 10:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:42 Right? This is the one that everybody points to, we don't have crippled kids.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 10:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 10:46 What ... When you look at the historical timeline of, of polio, what do you think caused it to go, uh, to essentially not be a problem anymore?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 10:57 Okay.

Joe Rogan 10:58 You, you don't think vaccinations had anything to do with that?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 11:01 Well, I also ... It's not what I think, because that's the thing. Like, look, when I got into this-

Joe Rogan 11:06 Right. I'm, I'm saying it the wrong way.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 11:06 ... I didn't say, oh, you know, I want to argue that vaccines are great. I said, look, I don't care. I didn't have skin in the game. I didn't have vaccine injured kids. I couldn't have cared less about it, e- essentially, except that it was something in front of me and, and didn't make sense. So I thought, wherever the truth falls, that's what I'm going to talk about. So what I say is that I, I ... What, what, what facts line up to show you is that polio is still here. Polio is still alive and well. Polio is called different things today, whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. The, the, the playing field, the goalposts, everything was changed so that despite the fact that there was more paralytic polio in the years after that vaccine was introduced, they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio simply because of the way they, they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it. And they started testing for the virus, where before they would never test for the virus. And when they started testing for the virus later, what they would find that people had Guillain-Barre syndrome, they didn't have virus or they had Coxsackie virus or echo virus, or they were lead poisoned or mercury poisoned, which was the ... Mercury and lead were the leading treatments of the day, including bloodletting. They were telling people to put ... take your cigarette and put a little bit of arsenic in there. It's good for your lungs.

Joe Rogan 12:26 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 12:27 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 12:27 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 12:27 They were literally blowing smoke up people's butts, like that, that's where the term comes from because there ... If you want to Google that now, you'll see that there is an instrument-

Joe Rogan 12:34 Yeah, I've actually heard that.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 12:35 ... that does it.

Joe Rogan 12:35 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 12:35 So ...... um, but yeah, the polio story, where to even begin? And so there's about 70 pages, and so that became my obsession. So when-

Joe Rogan 12:45 Do you-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 12:45 ... people said, "What about polio?" And I started digging this up, I went deep into it.

Joe Rogan 12:48 Did you dive into pesticides?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 12:51 Yes, yes. You have to dive into pesticides.

Joe Rogan 12:54 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 12:54 Because the tonnage of production of DDT absolutely mirrored the, the diagnosis for polio in the days, and the countries that still make DDT today is where we're still seeing this paralytic polio situation happen.

Joe Rogan 13:06 And also, weren't the first cases, didn't they break out in a rural community?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 13:11 The first cases of polio, yes. They're, they're, yes.

Joe Rogan 13:12 In the United States, paralytic polio.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 13:14 Yes, it was out in the countryside. Well, and that was probably more because of the sheep and cow dipping. So arsenic, you'd have to look at arsenic, you have to look at the mercurials. You have to look at the calcium arsenate, lead arsenate sprays that were put on trees. But what you're talking about-

Joe Rogan 13:26 Oh, yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 13:26 ... in particular, they would call the cow disease, they would go out and the, and the family, when you would go to the house, they'd say, "All the kids have the cow disease, what the cows had before." Well, what were they doing? They would have these trenches. You talk to farmers even today, "Oh, yeah, we had trenches. We would just walk them straight through and I'd be soaked with the stuff by the end of the day."

Joe Rogan 13:43 Oh my God.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 13:44 Yeah. (laughs) So they're basically soaking and bathing in arsenic.

Joe Rogan 13:47 Oh.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 13:47 Which is great for killing fleas and ticks.

Joe Rogan 13:49 Whoa.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 13:50 But it's not really great for keeping your nervous system happy because the fact of the matter is, and this again, I've got medical references, everything. I can't get away with making stuff up, okay? I have to put a reference for everything. But arsenic causes the exact same spinal pathology that A- and fevers and everything, it li- literally mimics what they were calling polio and a poliovirus back in the day.

Joe Rogan 14:12 I read this crazy statistic, and I still can't believe it's real, that 95 to 99% of all polio is asymptomatic.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 14:21 That's exactly right. So poliovirus is what we call a commensal, just like you have staph on your skin and strep on your skin and it actually serves a purpose, it keeps other microbes in check as long as you don't get a cut, um, and have not a good immune system to deal from the inside out. So polio... And the reason I can say that polio is a commensal is because again, there are medical studies that showed that, um, people who dared to get on the edge of some of these wild native tribes down in South America, um, or elsewhere, but in particular, I'm talking about a South American tribe called the Xavante Indians. So the, um, Indian Health Service g- got to the edge of it and bargained that they would get some stool and some blood from the tribes so that they could test it for polio. And what they found was 98 to 99% of every person they tested, and it was hundreds of people, had all... had evidence of immunity to all three strains of polio. And they said to them, "Well, where are your crippled children? Where's your short legs? Where are the people that died of respiratory failure?" And they were like, "We don't have... We don't have any of that problem." So it was well-known-

Joe Rogan 15:22 Is... Could it possibly be that whatever they're, you're calling polio evolved and became less powerful over time and more contagious? Does the... That does happen with some, some viruses, right?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 15:34 Most viruses in nature don't become more problematic as they go through the human, the human system. They become less problematic. Remember, remember the-

Joe Rogan 15:42 Right.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 15:42 ... the whole COVID thing. Like, in the beginning, people were getting super, super sick. It was, it wa- wasn't as contagious, but it was more virulent. And as it attenuated into the human bodies, it sort of just felt s- it kind of fizzled out a bit. And then we got the Omicron, which was, you know, less... It was more spreadable, but it was much less pathological. And that's the natural process that happens. So when you're gonna have problems, real problems with, um, microbes, they're usually going to be reverse attenuated, meaning made more lethal in a lab, and then they're introduced into the population. And look, I'm not making this up either, 1916, uh, Upper East Side Manhattan, uh, there was a Rockefeller lab that their, their specific stated goal was to try to create the most pathological, neuropathological strain of polio possible, and they did that by taking monkey brains and human, um, spinal serum and injecting it into monkeys. And, um, there was a big problem with that, which was released into the public by accident, and the world experienced the worst polio epidemic on record, 25% mortality. That's unheard of. Uh, really freaked the public out. But as it, as it c- and you can see the epicenter as it fanned out, and as it fanned out, and as time went on, never heard of it again. It, it attenuates as it moves through the body because it's a normal human commensal that goes back to its normal state when it's in a human, and that's generally what happens. If you have a highly lethal virus and it kills a lot of people, those people are dead. They can't spread anything. So that's kind of a different story if you want to talk about hantavirus or something like that. But as far as polio goes, no, polio was only made more lethal by the stupid things that humans did around it to make it more invasive into the body, just like you can go do stupid things and end up with herpes outbreaks and, uh, you know, staph outbreaks. (laughs) Poliovirus is a normal convince- commensal, it used to be until we obliterated it with oral vaccines and replaced it with vaccine strain, but the wild strains are, um, normal human commensals.

Joe Rogan 17:40 So there's vaccine strain polio that just comes from a vaccine and is transmissible?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 17:46 Absolutely. Um, today, it would be the oral polio vaccines because they're the live strains and they're still giving them in pulse fashion all throughout India. Um, they, they did a campaign a few years back in, uh, Israel and they always say that a nomad came and, you know, pooped in the sewage ses- system and they find it in the sewage system and they don't want an outbreak to happen so they treat everybody. So that's today the most common reason to see, um, polio, poliomyelitis disease from a virus. If you test for a virus, they'll usually find the vaccine virus, and that's why today we don't... Remember when we were kids, because we're about the same age I think, uh, they would give us the sugar cube.... um, maybe you didn't, but I did. I got the sugar cube, and that was the live, um, vaccine. Well, they stopped doing that because after a while the only cases of polio ... And it became so obvious that the only cases of polio we were seeing related to a virus, um, when they tested for poliovirus, were vaccine strains, so then they started injecting us again. But the early injections caused more paralytic polio than it prevented, and that's the part that people don't understand when they say, "What about polio?" 'Cause they, they, like you, just go, "Well, there's no more iron lungs, there's no more crippling, there's no more of these little, poor little kids walking around with their, their casts." Well, that's, that's not true because the iron lung is now called a ventilator, so that's out the window. Transverse myelitis, which there are about 1,300 cases, uh, I think it's a month diagnosed in one particular, um... I, I put a quote, I put a quote in here on that. But transverse myelitis is actually something that would have absolutely ... It, it follows the same patho- pathology as polio. It would've been called polio back in the day. So we still have polio that we had in 1953, because in 1953 all you had to have to be diagnosed as polio, anyone could diagnose you, just one examination with, uh, one set of muscles being paralyzed. There was no timeframe on it. There was no testing done on it. And then it was considered a public service to do it, because then you were eligible for funding.

Joe Rogan 19:42 So, wh- what do they call it again? Can you say that word again? Myelitis?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 19:45 Ho- poliomyeli- ... Poliomyelitis is the definition of the actual pathology, you know? So it basically means inflammation of the gray matter of your spinal cord. That's what polio in Greek, poliomyelitis. It means gray matter inflammation, poliomyelitis. Poliomyelitis is, is what happens in the body, okay? If you want to talk about what causes it, then okay, maybe in some cases the poliovirus causes it, um, and th- all the other things we just mentioned, arsenic, lead arsenate, calcium arsenate, um, injections. Tonsillectomies were huge cause of some of the worst cases of poliomyelitis. And in fact, injections and tonsillectomies and unnecessary surgeries were put on hold during the years where the epidemics were the worst, so that's just proof that even the surgeons knew that.

Joe Rogan 20:34 Why, why, how is it affected?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 20:36 Okay, so if you happen to have poliomyelitis circulating in your body that's not just sitting in your intestines, and say it made its way into your body, because we can. Things can go from your intestines into your body, uh, and you happen to, um, have it close to a nerve that's up, say, around your throat, and then you go and take a- tonsils out, then what you've done is you've given that access to the blood compartment, the lymph com- the lymph compartment, and the brainstem, which is right there, local. So those were the people that would get what was called bulbar polio, which is the ones that put you on a ventilator and ma- and it's highly lethal. It's one of the ... It's the worst kind of polio to get, bulbar polio, and it was very well-known to have been coincident with tonsillectomies. Not only that, but tonsillectomies changed, um, the structure and antibodies and the immunity that occurred in the throat, and it changed it for the, for the worse, not for the better.

Joe Rogan 21:28 Uh, do you think they're unnecessary? Or i- is there some times when people have to get their tonsils removed, or is it just a nonsense practice?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 21:36 Okay, so (laughs) again, it's not a- it's not just a cut-and-dry answer, because let's just say that anyone who's ever brought their child to me because the tonsils were touching or they were snoring has not had to have a tonsillectomy. Now, does that mean that a tonsillectomy won't solve that problem where you're snoring and your, you know, your kid's maybe not oxygenating? No, if you let it go that long, probably you're gonna need a tonsillectomy, but I, I have seen so many cases reverse. It's a very easy thing to do, but as doctors, we're not taught about all the things that you were talking about earlier, the, the natural remedies. But just simply gargling with a solution of, um, of sodium ascorbate, vitamin C, can make a huge difference 'cause tonsils are like ... They're like porous golf balls, if you want to think of them that way. They got pits in them, and, and so food you eat and bacteria and pus can build up. And if you just start rinsing the outsides of them and start nourishing the body from the inside, and getting rid of things that the kid might be allergic to, which almost every kid's gonna eat if your parent doesn't know better, it can make a (laughs) remarkable difference in these kids that have these huge tonsils. So I think that a lot ... I think everything else should be done first before taking out the tonsils if there's time, because I'd say 95% to 99% of the time, you can prevent that child from needing their tonsils removed.

Joe Rogan 22:50 Before we go to smallpox, I wanna talk about this 'cause you just brought it up. What, uh, uh ... One of the things that Bret Weinstein has, uh, explained to me is that, uh, aluminum is, uh, when the, the concept is that giving someone an, a shot with aluminum in it and triggering an immun- an immune response, if they're eating certain foods during that time, they can then develop an allergy to those foods, like certain people with peanuts and, and various things like that, that are, used to be very common for people to eat, but then a bunch of people developed, like, pretty severe food allergies. And he a- makes this connection that he believes, he goes, "It's reasonably ... It's a reasonable connection to say that there's something."

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 23:39 Absolutely, oh, 100%. And, and it's, it's not just something that he's dreamed up. Again, provable medical literature in the book, Dissolving Illusions. Um, the, the physiology, the pathology is known. I- it's very well-known that, um, the vaccines that have aluminum in them skew the immune system. So the immune system kind of just ... If you want to break it down s- really simply, you have your TH1 arm and your TH2 arm. Your TH1 arm is your really important one. Those are the s- those are your T cells, you know, your lymphocytes, the cells that, you know, chew up any garbage that's going around. That's the part you want activated in any infection you have, whether it's COVID, or measles, or smallpox, or whatever. And then you have your TH2 arm, which is there mostly to deal with parasites and things like that, and it's mostly an antibody arm of immunity. That's the one that vaccinologists are obsessed with, making sure there's enough antibody. So tho- the vaccines that have aluminum in them, as opposed to the live attenuated vaccines, which don't have aluminum ... All the other ones do, so your DTaP's gonna have aluminum in them. All your killed vaccines are gonna have aluminum in them. And that is very well-known to trigger that TH2 response, which is the allergic response, which can set up your body for autoimmunity. Um, and so-... part of the pro- part of the purpose of, of, you know, breastfeeding, which has been a part of the, the blueprint for humanity and every other mammal, uh, is that the mother is able to introduce antigens in the world to her baby through her own breast and things that she's been eating and breathing in, and then the baby's able to develop tolerance. So, you know, while vaccine scientists are obsessed with getting antibodies and ramping up an infant's inadequate immune system, the fact of the matter is, is that it's more important to learn what not to react to when your immune system's developing rather than to becoming defensive against every microbe that could get you. So, that's kind of the paradox there and kind- one of the battlegrounds for, you know, immunology, within immunology, and for those of us out here that are going, "What are you doing here?" You know? Um, anyway, that, that-

Joe Rogan 25:32 You were do- you were also-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 25:33 (clears throat)

Joe Rogan 25:33 ... talking in your book about the importance of breast milk and the, the amount of nutrition that's in breast milk for, for a child and what it does for a child, you know, and the differences in their immune system, the differences in a lot of different aspects-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 25:48 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:48 ... of their development.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 25:49 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:49 Which is pretty fascinating. And most people-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 25:51 So fascinating.

Joe Rogan 25:52 ... kind of just assume it's food. It's just food.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 25:55 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 25:55 But it's a lot more than that.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 25:57 It's so much more than that. And I, I was actually quite startled when I really went down that rabbit hole, uh, to see not only... I mean, it is food. It's, it's excellent nutrition with short-chain fatty acids and sugars that the baby needs, and it actually trains your gut to be healthy in the long run as an adult, which trains your immune system as well. But what that mother is putting through her breast milk, you know, things like something called Hamlet, H-A-M-L-E-T, which stands for human alpha-lactalbumin made lethal to tumors. And this is a substance, this is a protein, it's like a transformer protein that, um, can literally turn into a cancer-busting molecule that is being, um, used by the oncology industry, okay? And when it's not in that form, it's a powerful protein that fights off, um, pertussis, uh, all kinds of pneumococcal bacteria. And when it's not doing that, it's food, okay? So, it's like, it's got so many different purposes. Stem cells are coming through that, that mother's milk. Activated T-cells. Activated T-cells have another substance in them that's, that is kind of hijacked by the oncology industry, and that is when, when they're immunosuppressing kids for leukemia or whatever, and they come in contact, say, with, um, chickenpox. What they can do is get somebody like me who's immune to chickenpox naturally and take my memory T-cells that remember that, and there's a substance in there, um, called dialyzable leukocyte extract. When you put that into another child, even if whether they eat it or inject it into them, it transfers cellular, that TH1 important arm of immunity I just told you, it transfers it onto them and protects them for a long time. So, that's kind of... In the old days when, when mothers had measles in the old days and normally, and they were able to pass this powerful immunity through that, that DLE factor, as well as all these other things, including preformed immune globulins. Um, I mentioned something like 80,000 stem cells (laughs) . It's, it's, it's just incredible, all... And we still have only hit the tip of the iceberg in, in, in terms of what we know about breast milk. But breast milk also, it's been proven again that if you're gonna... if you are gonna vaccinate your baby, if you're breastfeeding, the vaccine will bring that baby more into a TH1. If you're not breastfeeding and you're giving formula, that baby's going to move more into a TH2 in response to that vaccine. So, like, if... I think if, if most women understood the powers of breast milk, they, they would do everything possible to be able to do it.

Joe Rogan 28:30 I, I, I think you make a very compelling point for that. I just... I think it's arrogant that we could assume that we could replace something with a bu- I mean, have you ever read the ingredients of formula?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 28:42 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 28:42 Like, how could that be good?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 28:43 I know. Parasites. We ha- we have parasites that have been parasites upon humanity for such a long time, and that's what happens, is that something is discovered, and for some people, maybe it can be a good idea, but then the parasites take it and, and want to... So when, when it came to breastfeeding, it was, "You don't have to do that. You don't have to bother yourself like that. You don't have to pull your boobs out in public. You don't have to become a dairy cow. Just strap them down, the milk will stop, and then you can start putting this wonderful..." When I was a kid, I was fed soy milk in a warm plastic bag. That was the fad then, growing up. Um, so the, the formula industry is a huge moneymaker, and some women do prefer it (laughs) . Fortunately, 75% of women in the USA today do initiate breastfeeding, so that's very much better than the polio days when almost nobody was breastfeeding and they were using milk in the infant formula that had been contaminated by what the cows were eating-

Joe Rogan 29:39 (laughs) Oh my God.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 29:41 ... and so that was another part of the polio story that's not been told.

Joe Rogan 29:44 So, the cows were all eating these pesticides?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 29:47 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:48 And herbicides?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 29:49 Yes.

Joe Rogan 29:50 And the cows were getting sick with it, and then these people were drinking the milk from that cow and getting sick as well, eating the meat?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 29:57 Oh. Well, the cows wouldn't have been getting, necessarily getting sick from it, but it would be concentrating in their milk. And so the milk, the milk would have been expressed, but what you're... you just brought me back to another place. Cows were also used during the smallpox era, and what you're saying is true about that. So, they would basically take, um, what they thought w- (laughs) sorry, it's just so dark that I ha- sometimes you have to laugh. But they would take pus from other animals, scratch it into the belly of a cow, then take the pus, the pus off of the, the big pimples that would form on the belly of a cow. Um, the cow could become very sick, and yet that cow could still be butchered up at the butcher shop. The butcher would get sick with pemphigus or some hand and mouth disease, or, you know, things that the cows n- normally catch. And so those cows could still be used to produce meat in those cases. I don't know that it was used to produce milk. I don't think that would have... I, I don't know, but I know it was used to produce meat because the butchers were getting sick and the people that were eating the, the meat were getting sick. Um, and certainly the people that took the vaccines that had certain who knows what in them, because it was shown-... like, into the 1970s, '80s, and even recently, I have a reference from after the year 2000 that there was more bacteria and fungus in the smallpox vaccines than there was smallpox virus. So it was because they had this thing called pure lymph, which was pus that came out of the horse, a horse's foot, or, um, a donkey's pus skin, or, or a cadaver of a human-

Joe Rogan 31:27 Ugh. Ugh.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 31:27 ... or a cow's ulcerating utters, and scraped into glycerin and called pure lymph and marketed all over the world as a s- this is the, look, Joe, this was our success. This is the one vaccine that el- uh, eliminated, eradiated a disease. Can you believe that fairy tale? I'll tell you another one. Like, that, it doesn't get crazy... This is our success. This, this vaccine that I had described in great detail with what was in it and what people saw under microscopes and then later tested genetically was what was called a quasi-species, meaning they don't even, after a while, it became its own thing. It wasn't from a horse anymore. It wasn't from a human anymore. They called it, um, humanized horse pox when they, um, when they genetically characterized the Dryvax and then ordered that every Dryvax specimen on the planet be destroyed. I think that was around 2009.

Joe Rogan 32:20 Why did they do that?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 32:22 Good question. I don't know. Hiding the evidence, possibly? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 32:26 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 32:26 But they now have a new vaccine, um, which doesn't work. Uh, but they wanted to bring this one back when I, when I was in my, the peak of my career in 2003, they, I got a letter on my desk, um, s- stating that they needed people to get vaccinated for smallpox so that those other people that were getting vaccinated would have somebody that could treat them that would be immune to smallpox, because it's well-known that if you get a smallpox vaccine and you get these horrible scabs that you are going, you're gonna spread smallpox, and you're gonna have a horrible itchy time of it, secondary infections, you will need a doctor at some point. Well, it turns out that the trials that they did on super healthy people, soldiers that were in top shape, were so bad in terms of cardiac disease and other diseases that the government put it on hold for a second and said, "Oh, no, no, we can't do this." Meanwhile, guess what? They were using, uh, the same vaccine in the 1700s and 1800s, late, yeah, 17, late 17, late 1700s all through the 1800s into the 1900s. They would sometimes... You probably saw the picture of the, the child's arm, considered a good take, five huge ulcers on the arm be- with sanitation being what it was, no antibiotics, can you imagine having your baby have five scars on its arm, ulcerating from these things, having fevers? Sometimes the arms became necrotic. Sometimes the disease spread all over the place. And there was nothing b- to give them except bloodletting, mercurials, and arsenicals, and heating them up in a dark room with no sunlight. That was the treatment for smallpox. So you tell me why smallpox was so lethal? (laughs)

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Dr. Suzanne Humphries 35:14 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 35:14 Well, what's fascinating also is that most people aren't aware of the, just the general public health conditions during the time of the smallpox outbreak.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 35:24 That's right.

Joe Rogan 35:25 And, uh, w- the, just the way, the way people lived is almost m- unheard of. You, you, you wouldn't a- you wouldn't be able to imagine just the smell of human feces everywhere. Like streets were filled with outhouses. There was animal shit in the streets. It was no sanitation. There's no running water. It's a disaster. It's a disaster. And there's no good food, so you got malnutrition. You, you're exposed to numerous pathogens and just in- waste. You probably have fecal matter on everything. It's probably unavoidable. It tracks in your house. It's l- everywhere you go.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 36:02 It's your drinking water.

Joe Rogan 36:03 Yeah. Yeah. You know? You-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 36:04 Your drinking water was the pi- pa-

Joe Rogan 36:05 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 36:05 ... you would skim the top off for your-

Joe Rogan 36:07 Ugh.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 36:07 ... drinking water back then. And we know that-

Joe Rogan 36:09 Ugh.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 36:09 ... co-infections make, make any primary infection worse, you know? If you have measles and you get a co-infection, it makes it worse. COVID with a co-infe- anything makes it worse. You end up with, you know, pneumonias and pus pockets in your lungs. So yeah, thank you for that description. I don't think I could've done it much better myself.

Joe Rogan 36:24 But that's how, that's the, I mean-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 36:25 That was normal.

Joe Rogan 36:26 ... go watch Gangs of New York.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 36:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 36:28 Like that's, that's, uh obviously a d- a drama, and, uh, you know, it's probably not completely accurate, but it's prob- I bet it's pretty close.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 36:35 Yes.

Joe Rogan 36:35 I bet it's pretty close to how people lived back then.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 36:37 Yeah, th- the slums, like you can, you can actually, like in here, w- it's not all medical articles, articles quoted. Um, some of the quotes that we use are historical quotes from, you know, anthropologists that would go through the slums in New York. You know, the Ellis Island was just bringing people in, bringing people in, and these, they would sometimes have 20 people in one room with no privy, um, dark, you know, the, like you say, some of the... And the, and the sewage would run underneath the house so the smell of it would be coming up through the whole time. And then-

Joe Rogan 37:03 (sighs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 37:03 ... you'd have them working 16 hours a day at the age of, an- anything up, upwards of four to five years old could be sent to either coal mines or canneries, um, to bring money in, uh, for the families to barely survive. So people weren't being paid very well. But you just said smallpox being what it was, but what people don't realize is that in the 1600s, late 1680s, doctors were describing smallpox as one of the easiest diseases to treat if you simply just supported the human... Again, quoted (laughs) , uh, that-And then what happened is the Industrial Revolution, and people were taken with the Land Enclosure Acts out from the farms and brought into cities, which didn't have the... The pigs basically were the garbagemen back then. So the pigs ran wild. Thank God, 'cause if they didn't, it would've been even worse. Horses were your cars, so horse were dumping everywhere, you know. Some people just, they said there was a foot of horse manure to get through to walk across the street. So, um, it, it was, it was horrible in pretty much every way you can think of and, and then the human oppression on top of it in terms of the poverty that was there, and the wealthy elite at the top kind of, you know, living the, the good life. But it was starting to filter up to them at some point, which is why, um, it was actually individual people that sponsored the first, um, public drinking fountains and things like that, was probably partly to save themselves. Because if you can s- if you can stop disease from rent, running, running rampant through society, look, they still had to go into the cities to get things.

Joe Rogan 38:27 Right.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 38:28 Um, and even if you sent your servant into the city, your servant could bring you home something lovely from the city.

Joe Rogan 38:33 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 38:33 Uh, yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 38:35 This is not the picture that was painted when we were children of what society was like, you know?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 38:42 No, we were told that, that this vaccine was so important, and it was, it was so effective that we don't need it anymore. I actually ended up with one when I was very young.

Joe Rogan 38:50 I, I think what we're talking about when we were saying the conditions, that these conditions aren't known to most people, and that these conditions coincide with these diseases. And that it's probably, it's probably not just a correlation.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 39:04 So the, the conditions correlate with the, the, with the diseases, and the conditions also correlate with the death rates. Okay? And so there were many of the diseases that we're talking, say just diarrhea. Do you know diarrhea killed more people in the Civil War than bullets?

Joe Rogan 39:19 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 39:20 And lots of other wars. Diarrhea. Um, diarrhea can be caused by lots of things, nothing that we vaccinate for, essentially, at the... Well, I mean, today there's rotavirus, but that wasn't a thing then. It was more ty- you know, typhus and things like that. So, um, and cholera.

Joe Rogan 39:33 Are they just get, are they getting it from water? Back-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 39:35 Yeah, that's what that would've been, 'cause they would be out, you know, in the, in the, in the bush or the trenches, you know, drinking what they could. So, um, redirect me again. We were just talking about the, um... Okay, so the, the diseases that there were never any vaccines for, we see the death rate come down at the same exact avalanche as the diseases that we did vaccinate for. And in some cases, there's a little blip when the vaccine comes up, and things get worse for a bit and then come back down. Uh, so again, the point of the book was just interpreting the data that's existed for a really long time, vital statistics throughout the world as to the decline in death rate. In some case, the disease rates went down too, but the most important thing was the death rate, 'cause that's what people... Your baby could die. You have to have a vaccine, right?

Joe Rogan 40:22 Right.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 40:22 It's not your baby could have a rash.

Joe Rogan 40:23 Right.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 40:24 Um, you know, so different diseases have different severities and, um, and different solutions, and different ways to treat them so that they never have to present to a hospital. But like you said, you know, back in those days, you know, there wasn't... The, the pharmacies basically had your mercurials, arsenicals, if you were lucky, some homeopathics. Um, that was pretty much medicine back then until aspirin was invented, which was probably one of the reasons why the 1918 flu looked as bad as it did 'cause they were giving people up to 10 grams of aspirin a day, which can cause pulmonary edema in a healthy person.

Joe Rogan 40:57 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 40:57 So... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 40:58 So how, what was the logic behind the arsenics and the mercurials? Like, how did that become an approach that they used for medicine?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 41:07 Oh. Well, I don't know, actually. Don't know the answer to why they started doing that. Um-

Joe Rogan 41:13 Those are two really bad things. (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 41:14 Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you what, how they prescribed it is they would say give one grain until emesis occurs. That means throwing up. So give it until a person throws up, because back then, they believed that if they could get you to throw up, they thought if bringing stuff out of your body was good, bloodletting, throwing up, and diarrhea. And so that's how, that was the threshold for giving a lot of these drugs. So they thought instead, you know, how can you get someone to have diarrhea with, as a doctor? Okay, well, we can give them mercurials and arsenicals. That will do the trick. Um, and so they thought that they could purge the body by doing that.

Joe Rogan 41:45 Arsenic in medicine, past, present, and future.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 41:49 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 41:50 Oh, okay. Paradoxically, it's a therapeutic agent that has been used since ancient times for the treatment-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 41:55 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 41:55 ... of multiple diseases. So does it, um, actually cure some stuff in small doses?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:01 Well, well, how, what good is it to you-

Joe Rogan 42:03 Active ingredient in-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:03 ... if you have a dead patient or a patient with neuropathy? You haven't really cured anyone, have you?

Joe Rogan 42:07 Right. Well, isn't it dose-dependent, right? It says, "Arsenic trioxide, the active ingredient in traditional Chinese medicine was shown to produce dramatic remission of acute poly..." You can say that word, ma'am.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:19 Purpyrocytic leukemia.

Joe Rogan 42:20 Thank you. (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:21 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:22 Similar to the effect of-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:22 And then they decided that vitamin A could do it, okay?

Joe Rogan 42:25 Oh, right.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:25 Retinoic acid. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 42:25 Trans-retinoic acid. R- so retinoic acid-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:28 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:28 ... which is vitamin A?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:29 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 42:30 Okay. That's interesting.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:32 There are still-

Joe Rogan 42:32 Well, I would, I would say vitamin A's-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:33 ... a lot of poisons used in oncology.

Joe Rogan 42:33 ... probably less risky than-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:34 What's that?

Joe Rogan 42:35 I'd say it's less risky for vitamin A than arsenic.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:37 Yeah, a little bit. I mean, that's probably slightly different.

Joe Rogan 42:39 But is it a different kind of arsenic, slightly different kind of arsenic?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:41 Well-

Joe Rogan 42:41 Or a lower dose of arsenic? Is that...

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:45 Uh, they would, they measured things in grains back then, so I, I, I guess that's probably like maybe like a milligram, something like that.

Joe Rogan 42:51 But the Chinese medicine's probably the root of it, right, why they thought it was medicine?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 42:55 Could be. Um, but the-

Joe Rogan 42:57 And maybe they used the wrong arsenic or... That's possible.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 43:00 I guess you kind- you start trying the things that you have, right?

Joe Rogan 43:03 Mercury's a crazy one though.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 43:05 Some crazy ones.

Joe Rogan 43:05 Haven't they known that's poison forever? Like, it-

Narrator 43:09 Wasn't it quicksilver though? Wasn't it in the same thing or no?

Joe Rogan 43:13 I don't know.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 43:14 It's a fascinating metal because it's liquid.

Narrator 43:15 You talk about it all the time.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 43:15 It's a liquid metal.

Joe Rogan 43:16 Yeah.

Narrator 43:16 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 43:16 And a lot of people played with it when they were kids. I know some, some of the smartest people I know talk about how they played with their mercury ball when they were little.

Joe Rogan 43:23 Yikes.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 43:23 Um, and it's in thermometers, and obviously it works quite well. There's, there's a use for mer- mercury. Um, but the reason that, um, that...... that it's put into the... it was, actually, in the MMR vaccines and some of the flu vaccines is because it's an antimicrobial. It'll kill everything. So maybe that was part of that, 'cause it will kill everything. It will kill the microbes in a Petri dish. So in order to... Because this is one of the realities of vaccine manufacture, which I want your audience to understand, is that vaccines, while it might look like just a clear liquid, in order to make a vaccine, you have to have either a cow that you put ulcers on and scrape the pus off, um, or you can evolve it as it had evolved to, um, maybe getting, um, you know, some tumorous cells that came out of a cocker spaniel's kidney or monkey balls or, um, or monkey kidneys. And you plate those cells out, and then you inoculate it with what you want to grow, to put in your vaccine later. But in order to keep those cells alive, you have to put animal blood on it, you have to put different nutrients on top of it, you have to put antibiotics, kanamycin, you know, things like that related to the COVID. Here, mercury. Okay, so in the end, you can kill... You can make sure when you have your final product, that if you put a little bit of mercury in there, that it's less likely for any of the fungus or the spores or the bacteria or the adventitious viruses that you didn't know about that were there before will be in your final product. Wonderful. So you have a product now that you can be not completely sure has any of these, um, um, deadly microbes, but now has mercury, which the only places it's actually okay to have on e- on the planet, mercury, is in vaccines, your tooth, or a toxic landfill. So if you were to drop a vaccine at a vaccine clinic onto the floor, the hazmat guys would come, and you're, you're not allowed to just pick it up if it's got a... if it's a mercury-containing vaccine. The hazmat people have to come and take that away. Yet we're okay to take, you know, set portion of that vial and inject it into, you know, a child, a three-month-old child. How does that work?

Joe Rogan 45:27 It doesn't sound logical. And then-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 45:29 Six-month-old, actually.

Joe Rogan 45:30 There was also the, the issue with the different types of mercury, right? There was... Is it methyl and ethyl? The two different-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 45:37 Methyl and ethyl.

Joe Rogan 45:38 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 45:38 Yeah. Apparently, ethyl is good and methyl is bad, according to Paul Offit, uh, senior vaccine scientist. Uh, but the fact of the matter is, um, once, once mercury's methylated, and... Like, fish, fish can methylate mercury and they can get rid of it. Um, once we demethylate mercury, it's, it's in us until you do something like something called chelation, where you can put a chemical into the body that can grab onto it and pull it out th- through your urine. Otherwise, you're stuck with it. Uh, so in my opinion, all mercury's bad. Um, shouldn't be put into humans, shouldn't be in our food sources, shouldn't be in our environment, except for in the na... Look, you can even find uranium in nature, right? It's what people do to it to concentrate it and how they use it that becomes a problem.

Joe Rogan 46:21 Wasn't the, the issue that one of them, I don't know what's methyl or ethyl mercury, um, leaves the body quicker?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 46:29 Yes, it's ethyl mercury that leaves the body quicker, because m- methyl is a... it's a, it's a chemical that gets put onto it, um, naturally. And apparently, um, I'm not an expert on mercury poisoning, but, uh, apparently methyl mercury we don't have a, the ability to excrete, but ethyl mercury we do. Um, yeah.

Joe Rogan 46:49 But wasn't there also an issue that it crosses the blood b- brain barrier?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 46:53 Well, anytime there's inflammation, anything can cross the blood-brain barrier. Um, th- with the... it's the aluminum that we really know crosses the blood-brain barrier, um, and that's still in vaccines today. And, um, yeah, anyway, we can get into blood-brain barrier if you want to. That's a whole (laughs) that's a whole other story.

Joe Rogan 47:12 Sure.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 47:12 Um, but yeah. So mercury, obviously, it can get into the brain. It's, it's found in the brain. It can get into, uh, you know, your adrenals and your other glands and im- important areas of your body. And even... The thing is that even at such low levels can cause problems. It's a known neurotoxin. There's n- has no place for circulating or being deposited in the human body in any form.

Joe Rogan 47:34 But isn't it fascinating that they've done such a good job promoting this, that people are gonna get outraged at what you're saying? They've done such a good job-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 47:41 Welcome to my life. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 47:44 A, y- and you've got a lot of courage, and I want to commend you for that, because writing that book and, and being here talking about it takes a lot of courage. And y- it's from regular people who want to believe the vaccine... They're scarier than anybody, the people that are just rabid vaxxers, and they want... They, they stand for science like they're the warriors for science, and they get very aggressive about it, and they don't even want to breach the subject. They don't even want to look at it. 'Cause the more you look at it, if you're a logical, rational person without, like, a deep-seated ideology attached to vaccines and you just looked at the reality of it, you just go, "What, what is this?"

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 48:22 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:22 Like, how did you trick people into injecting... wh- how many a year now for kids? What is it?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 48:29 S- In the 70s. We're in the se- I believe we're in the 70s.

Joe Rogan 48:31 That's insane.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 48:32 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 48:33 That's... And then you want to demonize anybody who says anything about vaccine side effects. You are the craziest of kooks. They come down you with the hardest publicity campaign. It's so transparent. You see it coming a mile away and you're still shocked by how blatant it is, and no one wants to look at the actual issue itself, and no one wants to say, like, "Well, is she right?" If you read your book, you know, is she right?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 49:02 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:02 Well, if, if you're right, and I think you're right, like, we've been lied to and we've been tricked into thinking that this is all settled science, and that's what's infuriating. It's not that it's anti-science. It's like this is not science. What you guys are doing is not science. You've subverted... you've, you've perverted that notion, and you've, you've done it in an amazing way. I mean, hats off to you. What they, what they've done in terms of, like, brainwashing people to believe that all this is-... it, it's not just necessary, but it saved millions of lives-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 49:36 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 49:36 ... and anybody that is against it in any way, shape, or form is a quack and you should be deplatformed and never talked about again, and, uh, uh, polite public society and cocktail parties, you'll be shunned.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 49:46 Yeah. Well, the way they were able to get away with it is 226 years worth of propaganda, um, because the fact of the matter is that ever since the beginning of smallpox vaccines, there have been vaccine deaths. Um, the reason, and look, we, we've added... I, I brought you a c- a special copy. This is a limited edition. Um, in the t- uh, tenth anniversary edition, we added 200 pages. We added a chapter called The White Plague. The White Plague is also tuberculosis. Tuberculosis was a side effect of the, um, of the smallpox vaccine. Uh, tuberculosis rates were rampant, and, and in fact, the, the, the inventor of the smallpox vaccine, um, his child died of tuberculosis and so did his two test subjects that he used. And it was well-known to follow smallpox. Lots of doctors talked about it, but, um, in, in about two or three years after the vaccine was, um, accepted in, in England, uh, you hear doctors speaking out about it, cursing the day they ever agreed to do it to people, to children, to anybody. And so what happened is that the government came down harder and started making it mandatory and would take your furniture away and started intimidating the doctors, and that's an age-old thing as well, and I experienced it. And any doctor that's ever stepped out of, of, of line and said something bad about vaccines will either be intimidated or worse. Um, so 220 years of prop- 226 years of propaganda, and, and so I'm just gonna give you one example, and I'll, and I'll give you a copy of this to have, and you can put it up later if you want. But in 1984, because there was so much... (laughs) so much going on in terms of the public learning about the problems with the diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccine and the polio vaccines, that a federal register was issued by the government and went to all health departments in the United States, which is supposed to have been just kept there and never circulated, and it said, quote, "Any doubts, whether or not well-founded, about the safety of the vaccination program must not be allowed to exist."

Joe Rogan 51:43 Whoa.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 51:43 That's literally what it said. It's straight out of, um, (laughs) you know-

Joe Rogan 51:47 George Orwell.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 51:48 ... Lenin. Uh-

Joe Rogan 51:49 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 51:49 So you had that, and then you have the changing of the goalposts and the ap- outright lies within scientism, 'cause it's not science, it's a religion that, that's calls itself science, and we still are a victim of that today. Um, s- most science today is sponsored by the very people that are gonna profit from it, and, and I think... and even, look, even Jenner, who invented the smallpox vaccine, never did a scientific study. He never did a controlled study. He never did non-vaccinated people, vaccinated people, and then exposed them to smallpox in, in a, in a large enough group. He would cowpox them and then expose them to smallpox, and it was well-known that smallpox followed cowpox. Uh, so it, it's just been l- a l- look, again, I never expected to be here. I just wanted to be a healer. I just wanted to be a doctor. I wanted to be a nephrologist and teach medical students and make the world a better place for people. That's all I ever wanted. This is a nightmare for me, actually, (laughs) to, uh, while, while I've met some incredible people and, and I've had a really good life and I have no regrets and I would do it all again, no doctor wants to be put in a position where their integrity is doubted, um, their sanity is doubted. And if you wanna pull up a page, um, called, um, it is called RationalWiki, I think, maybe? Um, Wikip- uh, anyway, I'm considered a S- a Sith Lord, a very, um...

Joe Rogan 53:12 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 53:12 And in fact, I didn't know what a Sith Lord was back then. I had to actually look it up, so I'm like Darth Vader. So a bit, it was a bit of a compliment, but on the other hand, most doctors can't tolerate being called quacks or having their reputation destroyed and, and, you know, I went from treating the CEO of, of, uh, uh, actually the, uh, the head of the laboratory at, at my hospital for hypertension to becoming, you know, somebody that was douted on every levels after a while because of one thing that I said, which was, "Can we stop giving vaccines to my sick patients, to people, uh, who are having, um, chemotherapy, while they're having chemotherapy, to my patient before I've even seen them on the ward? Can we just, can we just hold this up and give it to them on the day of discharge?" That was my request in the beginning. That's how this all landed here, and had they not tried to intimidate me, doubt me, and pushed me to research and show that what I saw was actually real, I would still be lockstep working as a regular doctor, because there were some good things about it. So th- the, the... (sighs) look, even if you look at what happened with COVID, let's just look at that. Like, how did, how did they pass this off? Look at the media today. You know that they're giving COVID vaccines to six-month-old children now. We know how bad it is. We know that it ruins stem cells in pregnant women. They don't give stem cells to their babies. The industry's upset because the placentas no longer have stem cells, and they used to use those stem cells in research and cosmetics, et cetera. They're not getting them anymore because of what the COVID shots did to the placentas in those infants. That's not being talked about in the media. Nothing bad about the shot's being talked about when we have Kevin McKeirnan and all these people looking at it going, "There's SV40 in it, there was a staphylococcal endotoxin gene, there were two snake genes in there. You know, it's a definite gain-of-function." Nope. We gotta put it on the vaccine, the baby vaccine schedule, because any doubts, whether or not well-founded, about the vaccination must not be allowed to exist. That's why. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 54:59 That sounds like a religion.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 55:01 And it's been going on. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 55:01 It sounds like a cult. It sounds like a crazy cult that the whole world's been sucked into. Giving a COVID shot to a baby today is insane.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 55:10 Three of them.

Joe Rogan 55:12 (gasps)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 55:12 They get three by the cert- I, I, you'd have to look up the schedule, but I, I believe it starts at six months and they get three of them, kind of boom, boom, boom.

Joe Rogan 55:18 Are doctors really recommending this?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 55:20 It's, it's on the... (laughs) it, it... look, there's, there's a group of people called ACIP, the doctors, usually with s- with, um, vaccine interests in their bank accounts, that make the recommendations for the vaccines, and they have recommended-... that, th- that's six-month-old. So if your doctor is following the ACIP program, you have to be offered that vaccine. And now that doctor, this is another part of the story, is that doctor's likely to lose $250,000 a year if they don't do that, because there's incentive given to hospitals and doctors, which is what, naively, I was on the other end of when I woke up in 2008 and said, "Wait a minute, why are we doing this stuff to my sick, inflamed patients? You're giving more inflammation." Um, it's because the hospital would lose something like $40,000 if they didn't give a vaccine within the first 24 hours of admission.

Joe Rogan 56:08 Oh my God.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 56:10 And they would get $40,000 if... It, it, it was all a money game, and that's really the bottom line of it. And I didn't know that until a nurse, years ago, uh, who was a high-level administration, she goes, she said, "Suzanne, this is why they did, they did that to you." Like, "Oh wow, okay." Well, at least it makes sense now.

Joe Rogan 56:26 Nobody wants to think of it as a business. They, they, nobody wants to think you're making business decisions at the expense of someone's health, and, and possibly whether or not they make it. Like what are you, what are you doing?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 56:37 Well, tha- that's been the case since, you know, basically the, the medical profession was infiltrated in the early 1900s by, you know, high-level interests that, that didn't want us thinking for ourselves and carrying on with the natural cures that actually work, carrying on with normal midwifery. Um, there was just so many changes that happened as a result of best practice medicine, not to mention, you know, the forming of the AMA by a couple of real quacks. Um, that's a really good story. And the AMA would give their stamp of approval, so say you cr- created an infant formula, well then it would say, "AMA approved," and your infant formula would sell even better. Or remember when doctors smoked Camels 'cause Camels were best?

Joe Rogan 57:16 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:16 (laughs) Those were the days.

Joe Rogan 57:19 Yeah. And this is also the time when, this coincides with when Rockefeller was designing the school system, right?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:28 Well, first Rockefeller, I think oil was one of their-

Joe Rogan 57:30 Right.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:31 ... primary-

Joe Rogan 57:31 So that's the pharmaceutical-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:32 ... investments.

Joe Rogan 57:33 ... aspect of it.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:33 That's right.

Joe Rogan 57:34 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:35 Oh, so, oh, so you wanna talk about the school system?

Joe Rogan 57:36 So, no, but he did both, right?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:37 Okay.

Joe Rogan 57:37 He was part of both. So he was a part of the, he, the, the reason why natural cures are so easily dismissed and why it's so dismissed, 'cause Rockefeller put the entire medical establishment on oil-based-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:49 That's right.

Joe Rogan 57:50 ... oil, b- so all pharmaceutical drugs that are made by using oil.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 57:53 And he did it because he sold oil.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:56 You know, the, wanna know the irony?

Joe Rogan 57:57 Just crazy.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:57 Is it kinda works.

Joe Rogan 57:58 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 57:59 Yeah, like, I got, I got rid of a really bad case of mange in a dog by kerosene, putting kerosene diluted in olive oil. And, and they'd been through everything. They could not get rid of this mange on this beautiful dog.

Joe Rogan 58:09 Oh, wow.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:10 Um-

Joe Rogan 58:10 That's crazy-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:11 It was a-

Joe Rogan 58:11 ... that, that worked.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:11 ... Cane Corso dog, and, uh, yeah, so, uh-

Joe Rogan 58:14 Mange is horrible for dogs, oh.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:15 Really bad. But one spray, it was, it was done. 10 minutes.

Joe Rogan 58:18 I had a dog that I picked up-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:19 You have to keep a, careful around the, like, you know, flames and stuff.

Joe Rogan 58:22 I had one, a dog that I picked up off the street, and, uh, took her in, and she had horrible mange. But it all went away with just food. I just gave her healthy food.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:30 Y- no, it can't. Joe, come on.

Joe Rogan 58:32 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:32 You had to have an expert help you.

Joe Rogan 58:33 No kerosene, no nothing.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:35 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 58:35 Just love.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:36 Food.

Joe Rogan 58:37 Food and love.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 58:37 Well, that was an argument I had in the hallway once with the senior, um, chief of medicine. He was, he was like, he would always say, "So how are you today?" Normally it'd be like, "Good," you know, superficial conve- I said, "By the way, I'm having real trouble with, you know, the H1N1 vaccine, my patients getting, um, kidney failure after getting it." And he, and he turned dark on me. I never saw him dark before. And he said, "No, they just didn't have time to take effect," and of course, then I heard every kind of sound bite in the book from him, which I didn't know were sound bites at the time. And then he said, "Well, what do you think is happening with meningitis in these, these college kids?" I'm like, "Oh, come on, that's a total no-brainer. It's like th- their nutrition goes down the tubes when they leave home. They're smoking, they're staying up all night long, they're hanging out with their pals. They're doing everything they couldn't do when they were at ho-" Oh, "You gotta be kidding me. So you think it's their food that, that's, that's causing problems?" And I was like, "Well, what medical school did you go to?" Like, I was actually taught that nutrition matters, and how it matters, and why it matters. But that's been almost completely thr- like if you're, if you wanna sneak vitamin C into somebody's hospital room, you know the best way to do it? Don't bring in jar of vitamin C 'cause they will stop that at the door. You get yourself a McDonald's milkshake or a burger, and you just dump that milkshake out, and you put something else in there, a smoothie with some vitamin C, and they will say, "Off you go. That's perfectly fine. That's gonna be great for this person, this child." That's how you can get it in, because they think that McDonald's is wonderful. In fact, McDonald's are kinda situated proximal to a lot of hospitals, and the McDonald's, Ronald McDonald Houses are there and everything else. Uh, but bring in a homeopathic or, you know, magnesium or vitamin C, and you've gotta get permission for it and go through so much red tape, and a lot of time you'll be told, "No, you can't give it," because, oh, you'll cause bowel necrosis, you'll cause diarrhea, you'll cause kidney stones, everything in the book that doesn't actually happen with vitamin C. Um ...

Joe Rogan 1:00:22 Mm-hmm.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:00:23 It's what most... Look, they've measured vitamin C levels on people that enter hospitals, and pretty much everybody's deficient or on the border of deficient when they enter, and pretty much everybody when they leave has, uh, got borderline scurvy.

Joe Rogan 1:00:36 Whoa.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:00:36 If not full, full scurvy. Fortunately, they go home and start doing other things and can rebuild some of their vitamin C scores. But there, there is a, there is a lot of subclinical scurvy walking around out there, and those are the people that are gonna ha- do the worst with a vaccine and then the worst, th- they're gonna do the worst with a actual disease.

Joe Rogan 1:00:51 Subclinical scurvy in modern society.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:00:55 Oh, absolutely.

Joe Rogan 1:00:55 Just from poor diet.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:00:56 Well, you know, it's not just the poor diet. So any kind of stress will consume, uh, vitamin C. Uh, a cigarette will con- consume 75 milligrams of vitamin C, and they tell you that you only need 190 milligrams a day. That's the FDA requirement.

Joe Rogan 1:01:10 Wow.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:01:10 Uh, so you just have a few cigarettes and you've depleted your, your stores, so-

Joe Rogan 1:01:14 Whoa.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:01:14 ... we don't make our own vitamin C as, uh, humans. Uh, humans and guinea pigs, you know, that's, we don't, we don't do that. And so we have to consume it. And we're reliant upon our fruits and vegetables or supplements to do, or if you eat organ meat, you can eat the adrenals that are loaded with it. But, uh, aside from that, it's, uh, your fruits and vegetables that, that are gonna give it to you.... um, so if, if you're ha- under a lot of stress, or you're taking medication, or you have a lot of inflammation or arthritis, whatever, that's gonna consume vitamin C, 'cause vitamin C is an antioxidant as well as an antiviral and, you know, good for your nerves syst- nervous system. Uh, so yeah, most people are walking around skimming the, the edge. If you have... You can see kind of a red line on some people's gums, they're probably vitamin C deficient. If your gums are bleeding a lot when you floss, you probably need some vitamin C. Um, and you know, you could have an infection too, but it will deal to the infection as well as the integrity and the collagen inside of your bones and your soft tissues. I mean, it's, it's like one of those things that's so important it should be given upon admission to every hospital.

Joe Rogan 1:02:13 And what's really crazy is if you're one of those people that thinks that all you need is a, a balanced diet and you're eating, like, uh-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:02:18 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:02:18 ... a piece of chicken and some lettuce-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:02:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:21 ... like, that, there's no vitamin C in any of that, or not enough.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:02:24 Probably not enough, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:26 Not, not enough.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:02:26 Chicken and lettuce won't do it, yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:27 You know, if you're, if you're not consuming, like, some sort of liposomal vitamin C supplement, if you're not taking something on top of that, you're probably not at an optimal level to survive anything, which is, uh, it's also, it's, like, part of why we have so many metabolic diseases. We have bad metabolic health, we have metabolic diseases. Like, they should, it should be super obvious. Like, oh, everyone's, like, really unhealthy and doesn't have any ner- nutrients in their system-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:02:53 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:53 ... and they're all getting really sick from all these different things.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:02:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:56 Huh?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:02:57 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:02:57 But everyone's like, "No, you need medicine. You need a shot, you need a this, you need a that, you need to get on this, you need to get off that and get back on this."

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:03:07 And you're a hippie if you wanna just eat KiwiFruits and get your vitamin C from that or have oranges-

Joe Rogan 1:03:12 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:03:13 ... or broccoli. Oh my gosh, broccoli makes you a total hippie. Or kale. Y-

Joe Rogan 1:03:16 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:03:16 ... forget about it. Um...

Joe Rogan 1:03:18 Nuts.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:03:20 That, no, see, we have a different kind of malnutrition today than, than we describe in the book. Back then, it was people were toxic from basically drinking poop water-

Joe Rogan 1:03:28 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:03:28 ... and being, being worked to death and having diseases all around them, um, and so they were protein-calorie malnutrition, uh, uh, as well as vitamin as well. Today, we have kind of dysnutrition, you know, like D-Y-S, dysnutrition, (laughs) in that everyone's fat so you don't, they don't really look malnourished.

Joe Rogan 1:03:47 Right.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:03:48 Pretty much, uh, you know, you, you go on a cruise or you go to the beach, you, even-

Joe Rogan 1:03:51 Go to Bert Kreischer's house.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:03:51 ... skinny people have big bellies now. Big belly is the thing. What was that?

Joe Rogan 1:03:55 I said, "Go to Bert Kreischer's house."

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:03:56 Who, who's that? (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:03:57 That's my friend.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:03:58 Okay. Hi, Bert.

Joe Rogan 1:03:59 He's gonna hate that you don't know who he is. (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:04:02 (laughs) But, you know, so today, we've got inflamed guts from, you know, glyphosate and, you know, the wheat that's been altered to m- to make us inflamed and, and then just the chemicals that are added to our food and the n- the vitamins that actually don't help us and set us back that are fortifying our, you know, bread and milk and lack of vitamin D. So, we have a different kind of a problem, but essentially causing the same bodily dysfunction.

Joe Rogan 1:04:25 Yeah, the wheat thing I used to think was nonsense until I, uh, ate pasta and bread in Italy, and I was like, "Okay, why do I feel so much better?"

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:04:34 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:34 Why do I not feel like I just ate poison?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:04:36 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:04:36 'Cause I love, like, pizza. Oh, I love it.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:04:39 Yeah, who doesn't?

Joe Rogan 1:04:40 I love lasagna. Oh, I love it.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:04:43 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:04:43 I love it. It's so good.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:04:45 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:45 But after it's over, I'm like, I'm incapacitated for, like, an hour or two. For, like, a two-hour period, you're just like a shadow of yourself, just, "Ugh."

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:04:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:04:57 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:04:57 And you, you think, "Oh, maybe it's just the high carbs," but you just proved that it wasn't, because in Italy, you were okay with it.

Joe Rogan 1:05:02 I ate a whole pizza in Italy and I was waiting for it.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:04 Yeah. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:04 I was like, "I'm gonna eat this margherita pizza. It's so good."

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:07 I did it too. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:07 They made it in a brick oven.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:09 Yes. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:09 I was like, "This is so good. I'm eating the whole pizza. I don't care. I don't care what it's gonna feel like afterwards." I ate that whole pizza, and then I was like, "Where is it? Is it coming?" It-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:17 Waiting for the hit?

Joe Rogan 1:05:18 Never came. Never came. I felt normal.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:20 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:05:20 I felt like I just ate food. I was like, "This is nuts." Like, no crash.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:24 Yeah. Uh, bread in Scandinavia, same. And I th-

Joe Rogan 1:05:27 That's what people used to eat.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:28 People don't know that, that, that... (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:05:29 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:29 What's that?

Joe Rogan 1:05:30 I said that's what people used to eat.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:31 And it is, like, real, real food and real grains.

Joe Rogan 1:05:32 Well, people, they need to understand, like, what they did was, and this is according to, um, Maynard from Tool. Do you know Maynard Keenan, the lead singer of Tool?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:41 No.

Joe Rogan 1:05:41 Uh, he actually runs a farm.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:43 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:44 He, uh, he has vineyards and he has, like, uh, like, he's- Caduceus is his wine label and he's, like, really good at growing things-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:05:51 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:05:52 ... 'cause he has a restaurant. He was explaining to me that what they did is they just engineered it to have higher yield. So, they put more, it's got more complex glutens in it. So, it's not the normal organic wheat that grows in Italy-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:04 Mm-hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:04 ... where they don't have genetically modified crops.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:06 Right.

Joe Rogan 1:06:06 So, you can still get that flour and you can still get that pasta from Italy and it's much more consumable.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:13 Yeah, definitely.

Joe Rogan 1:06:13 But the American stuff is just thick. It's just, your body's like, "What is this?"

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:19 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:19 It just comes in like sludge.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:21 It is interesting.

Joe Rogan 1:06:21 It feels like I ate glue. That's what it always feels like-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:23 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:06:24 ... when it's over, like, unless it's, um, really good sourdough bread. That doesn't seem to have that.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:28 Yeah. Yeah, I kind of agree. Like, I'm not gluten sensitive, but I, I definitely feel more awake when I don't have it.

Joe Rogan 1:06:33 Yeah. It's not good for you.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:34 It's good on holiday or when you wanna go to sleep.

Joe Rogan 1:06:35 But it's so delicious.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:36 I know, I know. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:06:37 It's so delicious. But this is, uh, also a problem, and this goes back to when R.J. Reynolds was going through all their stuff with, uh, the lawsuits that were coming from people realizing, "Oh my God, cigarettes give you cancer? They're not good to, like, smoke if you have emphysema?" (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:51 Hmm.

Joe Rogan 1:06:51 "I thought they were good for-"

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:52 Add some arsenic and it'd be great.

Joe Rogan 1:06:54 It w- there was a movie, and I forget what movie it was, and it w- uh-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:06:59 Thank You For Smoking.

Joe Rogan 1:07:00 Well, there's that.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:07:01 Okay. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:01 But there was a movie where, uh, Leonardo DiCaprio was young and he was sick and his doctor was prescribing cigarettes to him.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:07:10 Oh.

Joe Rogan 1:07:10 And, like, the mother was saying, "Did you smoke your cigarettes that the doctor told you?"

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:07:14 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:14 She says a- you know, like-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:07:15 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:07:15 ... "You're not smoking." Like, "You need to keep up your health," like...

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:07:18 Well, you know there's something to that 'cause you know about the nicotinic receptors and you know the smokers got less COVID than the rest of us, and-

Joe Rogan 1:07:25 I did hear about that.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:07:25 ... there definitely is a protective effect. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:07:27 Well, also, doesn't nicotine kill COVID? Like, people were saying-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:07:30 No.

Joe Rogan 1:07:30 ... that nicotine... No, so that's what it is? That's how it kills it?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:07:33 Well, what happens, so, so the spike of COVID, which is the evil part of COVID, has all these horrible lab-engineered s-... proteins encoded into them, and two of them are snake toxin proteins that bind onto your nicotinic receptors. Okay? So if you can smoke nicotine or take nicotine gum, then you're gonna block those receptors up so, so the, so you can trade off some of the stuff that's from the spike.

Joe Rogan 1:07:58 What about like nicotine pouches, like these kind of things?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:08:00 Yes, like that would probably, if you're having, you know, lung COVID or, you know, any kind of post-COVID syndrome, um, that's related to the nicotinic receptors, you only know by trying it. But listen, I always say start small. Don't go out and be a hero and, you know, take a whole dose at once. Start with a quarter of whatever it says, and wait and see what happens.

Joe Rogan 1:08:19 Yeah. Or-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:08:20 'Cause nicotine's a powerful drug. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:21 Try a cigar. Just pick up the cigar habit.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:08:24 Yeah, there you go.

Joe Rogan 1:08:24 It's a wonderful habit. Um, yeah, that was a, an uncomfortable thing in the beginning of COVID that they were saying that for some reason smokers seemed to be having a much easier go of it. Like what? How do you have a respiratory disease where smokers are, statistically speaking, uh, getting less COVID? (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:08:43 Yeah, well, I mean, I'd been around ... I did a tour one time and there were two heavy, heavy smokers on the bus with me, and they were the only two people that didn't come down with whatever flu with all the rest of us got.

Joe Rogan 1:08:53 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:08:53 Not, even that flu couldn't even live in their throats. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:08:57 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:08:57 So.

Joe Rogan 1:08:57 It kind of makes sense if you think about it.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:00 Well, it changes the polarity of your mucus membranes, the ch- the charge of the cells on your mucus membranes, and that's probably part of why that even the viruses can't adhere properly.

Joe Rogan 1:09:09 We're not encouraging cigarette smoking.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:10 No, we're not at all.

Joe Rogan 1:09:11 But we are saying it's got some benefits.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:12 But if you are, they should be non-cured, um, naturally cured, non-chemical-

Joe Rogan 1:09:15 Oh, like American Spirits?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:16 Yes.

Joe Rogan 1:09:17 Like those kind of deals?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:18 I get all my smoking friends to convert to that brand.

Joe Rogan 1:09:20 Does that help?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:21 Totally helps.

Joe Rogan 1:09:22 Yeah.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:22 Oh, come on. Are you kidding me? You know how many horrible carcinogens there are.

Joe Rogan 1:09:25 I do.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:25 Do you know back in the native days when they were smoking and, and people were smoking natural cigarettes, it was almost unheard of for them to develop lung cancer-

Joe Rogan 1:09:32 Right.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:33 ... with the natural tobacco.

Joe Rogan 1:09:34 Uh, American Spirit cigarettes are not healthier.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:36 No, sorry, they're v- they're absolutely wrong. It is. Uh-

Joe Rogan 1:09:39 It said, "Marketed as natural and additive-free, which may lead people to believe that they are a safer option. However, there's no scientific-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:44 (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:45 ... evidence to support this claim. They may even have higher levels of nicotine than some other brands."

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:50 Ooh.

Joe Rogan 1:09:50 But the nicotine's not the problem.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:51 That's exactly right. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:09:52 So just, just by them saying that there, that leads me to think that this might be propaganda.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:09:56 Yeah.

Joe Rogan 1:09:57 Because saying the nicotine is not the problem, that, that's-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:00 Who's our source?

Joe Rogan 1:10:00 Or, or, or rather saying that they have, might have more nicotine.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:03 Oh, this is AI overview. Okay.

Narrator 1:10:04 Well, I'm just sad that-

Joe Rogan 1:10:05 But, but I understand, but AI should understand that nicotine-

Narrator 1:10:08 Ask Tony Cliff.

Joe Rogan 1:10:09 Oh.

Narrator 1:10:10 He smokes them.

Joe Rogan 1:10:10 I know, I know he does. Um, I'm just saying AI doesn't make sense.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:15 It-

Joe Rogan 1:10:15 What doesn't make sense is that it's saying they might have more nicotine, but that doesn't matter.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:18 They're not addressing actual questions.

Narrator 1:10:19 Are you just using that to skip time, to save time so we don't have to go through the whole thing?

Joe Rogan 1:10:22 Oh, no, no, no. I'm not saying to you, I'm just saying to them.

Narrator 1:10:24 No.

Joe Rogan 1:10:24 Like, what, what they're writing seems to kind of be silly. "Marketing of American Spirits as natural can create a false sense of healthiness, which may make it more difficult for people to quit smoking." I think smoking companies wrote this. I think the other companies fed this information.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:40 Well, the, don't you love the packages-

Joe Rogan 1:10:41 (laughs) The Marlboro people wrote that.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:41 ... that have the people spitting up blood on the packages and stuff? You've seen them, right?

Joe Rogan 1:10:45 Oh, in England you get those.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:46 No, they have it now h-

Joe Rogan 1:10:47 Oh, they have it in America here?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:48 Does it not have it? Is that a- a-

Joe Rogan 1:10:48 They used to have it in Amer- in England.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:50 I think it was an overseas thing.

Joe Rogan 1:10:50 You'd go to England and they had photos of people with like rotten faces.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:52 That's right. That's where I first saw it.

Joe Rogan 1:10:53 (laughs)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:53 But it's moved to the rest of ... I know, it's hilarious.

Joe Rogan 1:10:56 (laughs) But-

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:10:57 It's like, they still buy them and smoke them. (laughs)

Joe Rogan 1:10:58 Well, the i- the interesting thing is, and I'm glad you brought this up, um, is just cancer in general. Like, there's things that cause cancer that they're just everywhere and, and there's, there's a lot of things in the environment can cause cancer. But sometimes things get into medications that can cause cancer. And what is, what is SV40?

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:11:25 I just wrote down SV40 while you were talking.

Joe Rogan 1:11:27 Okay.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:11:27 Um, and I'm gon- I'm just gonna give you an example of what you're saying is correct. And, and the fact of the matter is that all cancers in humanity have gone up since the inception of vaccination. In my opinion, my educated opinion is that our lifespan should be 120 years. And I think with the knowledge that we have and the, and the wealth that we have on this plan-

Joe Rogan 1:11:45 (clears throat)

Dr. Suzanne Humphries 1:11:45 ... and the ingenuity we have on this planet, we should be able to be touching the 120-year mark more commonly than we do. Um, so when vaccines started, um, coming into humanity, we were in- we started introducing, uh, animal disease into humanity through the skin. And then we started doing intramuscular injections, uh, after the hypodermic needle was created. And then you started having deeper injections of hu- of, of animal disease and of chemicals and, and mercuries and things like that. Uh, so along comes polio research, and the polio vaccine, uh, even to this day is made on African green monkey kidney cells. Now, the African green monkey kidneys early on were basically s- taken out of their wild habitat in India and millions of monkeys were brought, uh, to the USA for use. Unbeknownst to them, and discovered by a scientist named Dr. Bernice Eddy is that there was a, uh, cancer-causing entity inside of the, um, inside of the, the substrate that they were using to make the vaccine on the Petri dishes. And that entity was simian virus 40, SV40, and n- called SV40 because before there were 39 others discovered before it. Now we're up over 100. Um, so that information was