Joe Rogan Experience #2313 - Jillian Michaels

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

      (drumming) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. JMJillian Michaels0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music plays) Yes. Good to see you.

   4. JMJillian Michaels0:14

      You, too.

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      We were just talking about boomers-

   6. JMJillian Michaels0:17

      Yeah. (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      ... about parents, parents that won't, they, they don't wanna believe anything other than what they're getting from the news.

   8. JMJillian Michaels0:24

      It's been a challenge. My dad is an absolute lost cause.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      (laughs)

   10. JMJillian Michaels0:27

       My mom is now open to the conversation, and she'll send me a bunch of different articles, and then she'll allow me to disseminate from my perspective, but it, it's been, it's been a rough ride.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       Yeah. I've got them on peptides now, which is nice.

   12. JMJillian Michaels0:45

       Same.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       And I've got my, my stepdad on, uh, testosterone replacement, which is nice, and he's seeing benefits of those things. So it's like they're slowly starting to incorporate some of these things. But their whole life, they've been told that the doctor knows everything-

   14. JMJillian Michaels0:59

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:59

       ... and that the news is always correct, and anything contrary to the news is bullshit, and...

   16. JMJillian Michaels1:04

       I, but arguably, when our parents were our age, it was reliable.

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       I don't think so.

   18. JMJillian Michaels1:12

       No?

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       No, I think it's always been compromised. I just think there was no alternatives.

   20. JMJillian Michaels1:16

       That's interesting.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:17

       Yeah, that's what I think.

   22. JMJillian Michaels1:18

       My mom is a psychoanalyst, PhD. This is a very educated-

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Mm.

   24. JMJillian Michaels1:23

       ... thoughtful woman. And-

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:25

       Sometimes that's the worst.

   26. JMJillian Michaels1:26

       Nope, nope. She's-

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       (laughs)

   28. JMJillian Michaels1:27

       I, I would argue against in this case. I do appreciate people who see flaws in psychoanalysis. But I've learned a huge amount from my mom in this, in this area, and she also, um, she majored in journalism before changing careers to psychoanalysis. And so for her to even wrap her head around the fact that journalism can be compromised is almost inconceivable.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:50

       Right. I, I, I would, I didn't mean psychoanalysis is bad. What I meant is that a lot of times educated people defer to other-

   30. JMJillian Michaels1:57

       Oh.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   Don't turn into her.…

   1. JMJillian Michaels15:00

      about anything and everything, and it's fascinating, and people tune in for it. They don't come here because they wanna hear about politics, or they wanna hear about health, or they wanna hear about fucking aliens. They come here because they wanna hear about all of it, and they wanna hear what you think about all of it. So it's not really interesting when someone else does it, because they're not there to see what that individual thinks about the subject matter. So, when I turn into Megyn Kelly, it's, it's, like, or tune in, it's because I want...

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:31

      Don't turn into her. (laughs)

   3. JMJillian Michaels15:32

      No, I'm not, I'm not. (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:33

      (laughs)

   5. JMJillian Michaels15:33

      The fuck no, dude. I don't, I'm not messing with her. Um, uh, I would ... she's a lovely person, and, and she's been nothing but lovely with me, but I do-

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:40

      I'm sure.

   7. JMJillian Michaels15:41

      As mentioned, I am not interested in being on her bad side. Uh, however, when I tune in, it's not because I wanna see her reaction or her opinion on something. It's 'cause I wanna learn what is the counter-argument to deporting this guy, Kilmar Abrego Garcia.

   8. JRJoe Rogan15:57

      Mm-hmm.

   9. JMJillian Michaels15:58

      And I'm like, "Okay, steel man that argument for me," and then I tune into something else and-

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:02

       Yeah.

   11. JMJillian Michaels16:02

       ... try to disseminate what the truth is, and she's a, I think a constitutional attorney. So I feel-

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:07

       Yeah.

   13. JMJillian Michaels16:07

       ... like I'm getting great information. With you, you're not just learning about something, but you're also curious what you think about it, if you're gonna go, "Ah, bullshit," or if you're, like, if you're gonna do the, "Wow." You know, you wanna see what you think about it.

   14. JRJoe Rogan16:21

       Mm. Yeah, I just think we could all do with a little less yelling at each other.

   15. JMJillian Michaels16:26

       You're totally right.

   16. JRJoe Rogan16:27

       I just don't think it's good for anybody.

   17. JMJillian Michaels16:29

       No. It's not-

   18. JRJoe Rogan16:29

       It's like every time I've engaged in it, I feel bad for the rest of the day.

   19. JMJillian Michaels16:33

       Really?

   20. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Even if I win, yeah, I don't feel good. I just feel like, "Ugh, I don't like that. I don't like it."

   21. JMJillian Michaels16:39

       Even if you ... what if they deserved it?

   22. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       Um, I think you should be nice until it's time to not be nice, and generally that's, like, extreme violence.

   23. JMJillian Michaels16:48

       (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan16:48

       That's my, that's my feeling. That's my feeling. You know, like-

   25. JMJillian Michaels16:53

       Extreme violence.

   26. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       ... be nice up until you're literally trying to incapacitate a person.

   27. JMJillian Michaels16:57

       That's fair.

   28. JRJoe Rogan16:58

       Yeah.

   29. JMJillian Michaels16:58

       I feel like-

   30. JRJoe Rogan17:00

       I don't think we have to do that, and I think the only time you have to do that is when someone's completely psychotic.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. JMJillian Michaels30:00

      at home." And I don't mean to associate that f- not good, but I eat well at home, let's put it that way.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Mm-hmm.

   3. JMJillian Michaels30:05

      Um, and, you know, "Just at school. I'm just gonna do this at school." And the problem obviously is when she goes off to college, I won't be able to control the environment at home and I'm like, "Honey, you ... Okay, hold on." There's a, a, forgive me, there's a, like 20-year-old influencer named Bhad Bhabie, I think.

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:24

      (laughs)

   5. JMJillian Michaels30:25

      At Joe- she, she saw this-

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:27

      I know who that is.

   7. JMJillian Michaels30:27

      Okay. She saw this girl on-

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:28

      That's the lady from Dr. Phil.

   9. JMJillian Michaels30:29

      Yes.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:29

       Catch Me Outside.

   11. JMJillian Michaels30:31

       Catch Me Outside. So she saw this girl-

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:33

       (laughs)

   13. JMJillian Michaels30:33

       ... at, when she was like nine and has followed Bhad Bhabie. Bhad Bhabie now has cancer.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       What?

   15. JMJillian Michaels30:38

       I, I believe so. And-

   16. JRJoe Rogan30:40

       For real?

   17. JMJillian Michaels30:41

       According to my daughter-

   18. JRJoe Rogan30:43

       Isn't she like 20?

   19. JMJillian Michaels30:43

       Ye- exactly the point though. That's exactly the point. And so now I can say to my kids, "This isn't just mom's generation." Which, how come ... Here's something else to look at. My mom is 76.None of the public figures in her generation got cancer. You didn't see Susan Sarandon or Sigourney Weaver or Meryl Streep. None of them got cancer. But in my generation, it's like Maria Menounos, Christina Applegate, something's going on with the An- Angelina Jolie, Kate Middleton. In my generation, the canary is dead in the coal mine. It's not even a question of the negative impact. If we're not looking at statistics, if we're just looking from an observational perspective, it's in the news every single day someone's dealing with cancer. Olivia Munn. Now, you're seeing 20-year-olds deal with this, and I was able to point to that to my daughter and say, "This is the shit that I am talking about. She's five years older than you."

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:37

       What does that lady have? Does it say? Yeah. She's claimed that she's got a form of leukemia, I believe. But people, yeah-

   21. JMJillian Michaels31:46

       They debate, they doubt her.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:48

       Yeah, for sure they doubt her. I don't know- Well, she's a little bit kooky, right? Sure. I don't know.

   23. JMJillian Michaels31:52

       There's still, you still can't point to the fact, even if it's not Bhad Bhabie, who, who may be lying, I'm, I'm not sure.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:58

       Watch how you're using that name, Bhad Bhabie. (laughs)

   25. JMJillian Michaels31:59

       Is it Bhad Bhabie? Bhad... What the... I said Bhad Bhabie-

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:02

       So it's the new-

   27. JMJillian Michaels32:02

       ... the other day and my kids are like, "No, that's the rapper."

   28. JRJoe Rogan32:05

       ... Bhabie. She says, uh, she insists that she'd been cleared for surgery and she has no regrets about her cosmetic tweaks. What does a cosmetic tweak have to do with leukemia?

   29. JMJillian Michaels32:12

       I don't know.

   30. JRJoe Rogan32:13

       Uh, I think people are just .......................... They're not gonna perform plastic surgery on a cancer patient. What? She's getting plastic surgery? Is it... What is this article about? Go, go back up. The background.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   I know. …

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      can be removed, lady.

   2. JMJillian Michaels45:01

      I know.

   3. JRJoe Rogan45:02

      Yeah. They can-

   4. JMJillian Michaels45:03

      They- they don't-

   5. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      ... laser those off (laughs) .

   6. JMJillian Michaels45:04

      Have you noticed, though? They really don't understand it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan45:08

      No.

   8. JMJillian Michaels45:08

      And I- I got in a conversation with Jessica Tarlov about this, and she's like, "Oh, but, you know, they- they, the kids go through extensive therapy." I'm like, "That's not true, Jessica." Or- or the concept that it's reversible. People believe this-

   9. JRJoe Rogan45:20

      That's not true.

   10. JMJillian Michaels45:20

       Exactly.

   11. JRJoe Rogan45:21

       Yeah, right. Not only is it not true, but puberty blockers are the exact same thing they give to sex criminals. When- when you have a- a sexual molester that is forced to be on sterilization drugs, that's exactly what they give to young boys.

   12. JMJillian Michaels45:34

       It sterilizes kids.

   13. JRJoe Rogan45:35

       Yeah.

   14. JMJillian Michaels45:35

       It-

   15. JRJoe Rogan45:36

       It's the same thing.

   16. JMJillian Michaels45:36

       ... takes away sexual function. They can... If you interrupt puberty in the stage tanner II.

   17. JRJoe Rogan45:42

       Ugh.

   18. JMJillian Michaels45:42

       And the reason, the reason I bring this up is because they'll tell you it's reversible.

   19. JRJoe Rogan45:46

       No.

   20. JMJillian Michaels45:47

       And, but here's the thing. Someone, I actually went through this exercise with somebody, and I was like, "Show that to me." And they went on ChatGPT, and it's like, "Yes, this is reversible." And the argument is that should you have a child that starts puberty at seven, and you use puberty blockers, it- it's very rare, it can happen, and they do it strategically to slow that down for a child and help them develop at a normal pace, they c- it doesn't sterilize them or make them incapable of having an orgasm. So, the distinction that's key is when you block puberty at the stage of tanner II, which is arguably the appropriate age that puberty is meant to begin, then you've got sterilization, you've got an inability to ever have an orgasm. It affects bone development, it affects brain development.

   21. JRJoe Rogan46:31

       Kids get strokes.

   22. JMJillian Michaels46:32

       It's terrible for them.

   23. JRJoe Rogan46:34

       Yeah.

   24. JMJillian Michaels46:35

       They're friggin' children. Their body is not developed properly. Nobody understands that. They don't.

   25. JRJoe Rogan46:44

       No.

   26. JMJillian Michaels46:44

       When they make that argument, they're told the parting line of, "If you make them go through this, they'll kill themselves." And it turns out that the data doesn't bear out to prove that either. But they have-

   27. JRJoe Rogan46:54

       Not only that, it goes the other way.

   28. JMJillian Michaels46:55

       It-

   29. JRJoe Rogan46:56

       The data goes the other way.

   30. JMJillian Michaels46:57

       It goes the other way.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Controlling information. …

   1. JMJillian Michaels1:00:00

      Controlling information.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:00

      ... for political discourse.

   3. JMJillian Michaels1:00:01

      Completely.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:01

      It's being used for so many different things. Essentially, you know, we don't wanna think that cults can be half the country, but it, for sure it can be half the country. It could be the whole country. If you live under Sharia law, it's the whole country.

   5. JMJillian Michaels1:00:14

      Of course.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:15

      The whole country believes that women have to cover every part of their body except their eyeballs, you know?

   7. JMJillian Michaels1:00:20

      Yes.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:20

      And this is, th- th- this, this kind of thinking, we're very vulnerable to groupthink. And especially groupthink that's being, like, intentionally manipulated also, and then being done with psychedelic drugs. Now, they did it during the Manson era because they were trying to stop the anti-war movement. So, they were trying to... Like, the hippies and all these people that were like, "Hey, make love, not war."

   9. JMJillian Michaels1:00:42

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       They're like, "We have to ch- change the association that the general public has with these people, 'cause too many people are joining up with them." And so what they did was they got the Manson Family and they got him to commit these horrific crimes, and every time Charles Manson would get arrested, he would get let out of jail. I mean, he was violating parole left and right, and the cops that arrested him were all being told when, when they were interviewed, they, they would say, "This is above my pay grade. They're telling me that I have to let him go." So, they would be contacted by someone from the State Department or wherever, and saying, "Let him go."

   11. JMJillian Michaels1:01:16

       I saw that somewhat alluded to in the documentary of like-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:20

       Yeah.

   13. JMJillian Michaels1:01:20

       ... well, you know, when the one guy... I'm gonna botch this, nevermind. Bottom line is they, they generally alluded to that.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

       Yeah.

   15. JMJillian Michaels1:01:26

       But because I didn't read the book...... there wasn't that kind of in-depth takeaway at all.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:30

       Yeah, unfortunately the documentary's only, like, what, like, 90 minutes? The-

   17. JMJillian Michaels1:01:33

       Yep, it's very short.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:34

       ... Yeah, yeah. The book is-

   19. JMJillian Michaels1:01:35

       And it, it draws a connection, but it doesn't prove out its points.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:38

       Yeah.

   21. JMJillian Michaels1:01:38

       And I couldn't quite understand, like, "Well, where's the proof of th-" Until, until you just explained it to me.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:01:43

       Tom O'Neil, uh, the guy who wrote that book is, uh, he's been on the podcast before, but he was my friend Greg Fitzsimmon's neighbor in New York. And, uh, he was writing this 20 plus years. So-

   23. JMJillian Michaels1:01:57

       (gasps)

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:01:57

       ... Greg was his friend when it was happening, like, when, when he start- So what he was doing is he was writing, uh, an article, I think it was for Vanity Fair or Variety, I forget, but the article was on the anniversary of the Manson killings. And so it was supposed to be just, like, "Hey, this is, uh, the anniversary. Just write an article about the facts." So he starts going into the facts of the case, and he's like, "What? Wait a minute." And so he starts investigating, and he can't investigate enough, and then he gets in trouble because, like, the deadline's passed-

   25. JMJillian Michaels1:02:30

       Ah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:30

       ... and then he gets a book deal and he- the deadline passes on that. He's just, uh, completely obsessed with getting to the bottom of this and absorbing more and more information and documenting it all. He's got enough for many books, and he- I think- I believe he's writing another book right now.

   27. JMJillian Michaels1:02:45

       That is absolutely insane.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:47

       Yeah.

   29. JMJillian Michaels1:02:48

       You know that the huge irony is that these drugs can s- as we both know, these drugs can save lives.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:54

       Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:16:08

   I mean, I know…

   1. JRJoe Rogan1:15:00

      for sure.

   2. JMJillian Michaels1:15:00

      I mean, I know lions will kill another... They're territorial. But the capacity for torture, I've never seen that in the animal kingdom. That kind of-

   3. JRJoe Rogan1:15:09

      Have you ever seen a cat with a mouse?

   4. JMJillian Michaels1:15:11

      Okay. Yeah, I guess I have.

   5. JRJoe Rogan1:15:13

      Yeah, they torture mice. They hold onto them and then they let them go. And the mouse is like, "Oh, Jesus, he's gonna let me go." Like, "Not today, motherfucker."

   6. JMJillian Michaels1:15:20

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan1:15:21

      And then they torture them and wanna keep playing with them. Yeah, they have zero empathy. Cats are the worst.

   8. JMJillian Michaels1:15:26

      Yeah, that's-

   9. JRJoe Rogan1:15:27

      They, they have zero empathy. Especially house cats 'cause they're well-fed, right? So they're not doing it for food. They're just doing it because they have instincts to kill. Like, their, these-

   10. JMJillian Michaels1:15:37

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan1:15:37

       ... instincts are being ... They're, they're being distorted, right? Because, like, the real instinct that they have to kill is so that they can survive.

   12. JMJillian Michaels1:15:45

       (laughs)

   13. JRJoe Rogan1:15:46

       But when they're fully fed, they don't turn those instincts off, you know? Now they just have this kill drive that's never satiated. And, you know, cats are the perfect killer. They move so fast, they're so stealthy. They have it from the time they're kittens. You see them crawl up to each other, like very slowly-

   14. JMJillian Michaels1:16:04

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:16:04

       ... very s- and ju- jump on each other.

   16. JMJillian Michaels1:16:05

       (laughs) I'm thinking about our cat actually as you're talking.

Episode duration: 2:46:26