Joe Rogan Experience #2327 - AJ Gentile

1. 0:00 – 3:29

   Meeting AJ Gentile & the origin of The Why Files format

   1. AGAJ Gentile0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

   2. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (instrumental music) Hey, Josh, what up?

   3. AGAJ Gentile0:14

      Are we, we doing this?

   4. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Yes.

   5. NANarrator0:15

      Speak to the aliens. Speak to the aliens. Speak to the aliens.

   6. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      (laughs) I'm glad you brought ... heckle fish.

   7. AGAJ Gentile0:19

      (laughs) You did not have to do that.

   8. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      (laughs)

   9. AGAJ Gentile0:21

      I appreciate it.

   10. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       I fuckin' love your channel, dude. I've spent countless hours watching your hilarious videos.

   11. AGAJ Gentile0:28

       So cool that you've even found it.

   12. JRJoe Rogan0:31

       Well, you know, Gino told me about it a lo- ... Your brother, Gino, who I've been friends with for years, told me about it a long time ago that you guys were doing this. And I was like, "Really? All right. Interesting." And then I watched them, I'm like, "This is fuckin' great. It's right up my alley."

   13. AGAJ Gentile0:45

       You would show clips all the time, and it would drive Gino nuts. And then finally, it, it got named Reggie Watts was here. And he's like, "You ever hear of The Why Files?" You guys were talking about moon landing shit. And you're like, "What's that?" And, uh, I don't know, a week or two later, Gino gets a text, "Are you The Why Files?"

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       (laughs) He didn't tell me the name of it.

   15. AGAJ Gentile1:04

       But he was so excited.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Yeah. It's a, a great show, dude.

   17. AGAJ Gentile1:07

       Appreciate it.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:07

       It's like everything I'm fascinated by. Annunaki, aliens, secret bases. How did you get involved with making a show like this?

   19. AGAJ Gentile1:18

       (Kazoo noise)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       Is this something you've always been interested in?

   21. AGAJ Gentile1:20

       All m- ... I'm in, like, grew up Art Bell.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       Yes.

   23. AGAJ Gentile1:23

       Dad-

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:23

       There he is.

   25. AGAJ Gentile1:24

       There he is, the l- ... I mean, the GOAT. The GOAT.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:27

       Yeah.

   27. AGAJ Gentile1:27

       Um, Dad was an overnight cop, so always overnight radio, and so it was always Doctor Demento-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:33

       Yes.

   29. AGAJ Gentile1:34

       (laughs) You remember him? And, and Art Bell. So I kinda grew up with the weird stories, and it just got in the Twilight Zone. We watched as kids. It was, like, required watching from Dad, in the old black and whites, the classics.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:45

       Mm.
2. 3:29 – 8:16

   Operation Highjump: Antarctica, Nazis, Admiral Byrd & how legends form

   1. JRJoe Rogan3:29

      What happened in Operation High Jump?

   2. AGAJ Gentile3:31

      All right. Admiral Byrd goes down. This is j- just after the war. Remember, the Nazis were f- ... were fleeing to South America.

   3. JRJoe Rogan3:37

      Mm-hmm.

   4. AGAJ Gentile3:37

      So, mostly Argentina. So, um, the Nazis had established, or tried to establish, a base in Antarctica. That's true. It's, uh, Neuschwabenland. Now, people say they were trying to build a Nazi base and all that stuff; they were really just looking for a whaling station to get oil. So, Hitler didn't wanna rely on outside sources. So anyway, after the war, they go down there. We still don't really know specifically why. It was supposed to be just to see how our aircraft would operate in cold weather. That was what they said. But this was a fleet that was armed to the teeth. Like, super, like, armed. The first helicopters were there, d- destroyers. So they go down there. It's supposed to be a multi, a m- ... a multi-month mission, maybe six months. They get down there and in, like, a matter of weeks, maybe even fewer, they just, they just bail. And, uh, no one really knows why. There's a press con- contingent there. No one knows what's going on. And Admiral Byrd starts giving these weird interviews. And the first one was in Spanish, it might've been a, um, either Argentinean or Brazilian newspaper, and he talks about how there could be these craft that attacked the United States from the poles, and craft that can fly pole to pole. And people were like, "What is ... What's that?" And just sparked this crazy stuff. And you can hear him talking about these things. So High Jump goes down there to look for stuff. We don't really know why they left.

   5. JRJoe Rogan5:02

      Admiral Byrd was talking about these crafts?

   6. AGAJ Gentile5:05

      Admiral Richard E. Byrd. He's a famous guy, flew the North Pole-

   7. JRJoe Rogan5:08

      Uh-huh.

   8. AGAJ Gentile5:09

      ... like a super badass. He was, on paper, the, the commanding officer, but he preferred to just fly his plane and do stuff. So the legend is, they get down there, Admiral Byrd takes his plane, starts flying across Antarctica, and sees patches of green. And he doesn't ... can't believe it. And he's r- ... and he's on the radio saying, "I'm seeing this, rolling hills, sun is shining." He just keeps flying. It gets greener and greener and then whoosh, he's like, "I just saw woolly mammoths." Woolly mammoths grazing in the green. And he keeps going, and he's on the radio and then he's talking, "I'm seeing all this stuff, the sun is bright." And then shh, radio contact goes out. He's flying and flying. Suddenly, he's engulfed in light, and he doesn't know where he is. The, the green is behind him, he's just flying in light, just trying to get his bearings, and then up beside him, whoosh, two flying saucers. Just kinda next to him. Almost like, you know, the FT- F-16s trying to wave you down-

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:02

      Mm-hmm.

   10. AGAJ Gentile6:03

       ... but this is two flying saucers. And he looks over, and they have swastikas on 'em-... and he's like, "Uh-oh." So, he's on the stick and he feels the stick shaking and then, ssht, the stick just goes dead, and then he goes down with the UFOs, and they just land into a cavern in the hollow Earth. Right? So, that's how that happens. And they take Admiral Byrd out, and they're tall aliens. The n- like, the-

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:28

       With swastikas on their-

   12. AGAJ Gentile6:31

       S-

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:31

       ... crafts.

   14. AGAJ Gentile6:31

       Uh, uh, on the crafts. Uh-

   15. JRJoe Rogan6:33

       Like, the ancient symbol.

   16. AGAJ Gentile6:35

       I don't know. Would you-

   17. JRJoe Rogan6:36

       Which was, it, it-

   18. AGAJ Gentile6:36

       ... it would be reversed, right?

   19. JRJoe Rogan6:38

       Well, I think there was a bunch of different versions. I think the Nazi one, it was, like, kinda tilted.

   20. AGAJ Gentile6:43

       Yes.

   21. JRJoe Rogan6:43

       But there was a bunch... the Hindu ones and a lot of the Japanese ones.

   22. AGAJ Gentile6:47

       For, uh, for thousands of years.

   23. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       Yeah.

   24. AGAJ Gentile6:49

       A positive symbol of life and prosperity.

   25. JRJoe Rogan6:53

       Mm-hmm.

   26. AGAJ Gentile6:53

       We don't know how they were oriented because I debunked all this. I'm telling you the legend.

   27. JRJoe Rogan6:57

       Right.

   28. AGAJ Gentile6:58

       'Cause that's kind of my format, right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan6:59

       Right, right, right. Right.

   30. AGAJ Gentile6:59

       I get, I get you excited and then-
3. 8:16 – 12:44

   Antarctica tech conspiracies: neutrino detectors, DEWs, HAARP & Blue Beam

   1. JRJoe Rogan8:16

      Mm. The, the Antarctica situation is very strange 'cause, uh, I don't know if you ever saw the Sean Ryan Show where he, he talked to this guy that worked with the neutrino detector down there, and he wa-... yeah, have you seen that?

   2. AGAJ Gentile8:30

      I haven't seen Sean do it, but I know the guy.

   3. JRJoe Rogan8:32

      And the guy was saying that it's not just a neutrino detector. It's a direct energy weapon that can cause earthquakes and...

   4. AGAJ Gentile8:39

      This is like the DEWs. The, uh, U.S. has always been fascinated with DEW-

   5. JRJoe Rogan8:45

      DEW? Direct energy weapons?

   6. AGAJ Gentile8:45

      Right.

   7. JRJoe Rogan8:46

      Yeah.

   8. AGAJ Gentile8:46

      That's where the, like, the HAARP conspiracies come from-

   9. JRJoe Rogan8:49

      Right, right, right, right.

   10. AGAJ Gentile8:49

       ... and all of that. And i- i- if, if you don't know what HAARP is, that's the High Altitude Auroral Research Project. It's just this array of antennas in Alaska that's built by the U.S. government to study the ionosphere, but for some reason, it cost hundreds of millions of dollars. And when you look at it, you're like, "Where'd the money go?" It's like a... building's a box and there's a bunch of antennas. Where I'm getting at is it c-... this is a f-... this is, uh, an array that can ionize parts of the atmosphere. So, I did an episode on Project Blue Beam, which is a conspiracy about how the United Nations, the, or the shadow government, will create these holograms in the sky and that will f- force a one-world government. We can get into it if you want to.

   11. JRJoe Rogan9:34

       Yeah.

   12. AGAJ Gentile9:35

       But I kinda debunk it saying, um, holograms need a substrate, you know? You need-

   13. JRJoe Rogan9:40

       Clouds.

   14. AGAJ Gentile9:41

       ... glass-

   15. JRJoe Rogan9:42

       Something.

   16. AGAJ Gentile9:42

       ... is really what you need. But then the, the technology has gotten to the point where you can ionize atmosphere and create things in the atmosphere. So, something like HAARP conceivably could create something up there. Now-

   17. JRJoe Rogan9:59

       Something visual.

   18. AGAJ Gentile10:00

       Something visual. And I've heard people say that, you know, the UAPs, UFOs may not be real. They could just be holograms for some reason.

   19. JRJoe Rogan10:09

       I heard that too.

   20. AGAJ Gentile10:10

       Mm-hmm.

   21. JRJoe Rogan10:10

       Yeah. Or a combination of many different things.

   22. AGAJ Gentile10:13

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan10:14

       So, I think there's probably a lot of different factors that people are seeing. You know, we were... I was watching a video the other day, I'm not sure if it's real, but I put it on my Instagram anyway, on my, my story 'cause it was just fun, of ball lightning, which is real. But this ball lightning was moving around a parking lot and it was extraordinary. It was this one.

   24. NANarrator10:32

       This is the s-

   25. AGAJ Gentile10:32

       Oh, yes.

   26. JRJoe Rogan10:32

       Yeah.

   27. NANarrator10:32

       ... the plasma lasers that the Navy apparently has the ability to make-

   28. AGAJ Gentile10:36

       Yes.

   29. NANarrator10:36

       ... some stuff like this.

   30. JRJoe Rogan10:37

       Yeah.
4. 12:44 – 16:51

   Disclosure dilemmas: Brookings, Hal Puthoff, and national security vs truth

   1. JRJoe Rogan12:44

      Well, I'm sure you've seen the Hal Puthoff thing. Did you see when Hal Puthoff ... Hal Puthoff, George Bush, um, during his presidency, they floated the idea of disclosure. Did you ever see this?

   2. AGAJ Gentile12:56

      I didn't see it, but I know Hal's work very well.

   3. JRJoe Rogan12:57

      So, what Hal, what Hal said was he and several other scientists were brought aboard, and they were given a task of writing pros and cons to disclosure. What are the things that are gonna be disrupted and what are the things that's gonna benefit the so- society? And attaching numerical value to each thing. And all of the scientists, at the end of the day, showed that the numerical value for con was far higher. Like, it w- it was gonna cause much more disruption than it would be beneficial, and so they decided not to disclose. But what they were telling Hal was, this was th- what, what you were planning for was retrieved crafts not of this world and biological entities that the United States government is in possession of. Should we disclose this?

   4. AGAJ Gentile13:44

      Right. I think I, I've definitely heard that. It's ... I don't know if ... Is that connected to the Brookings Report, if I'm getting that correct?

   5. JRJoe Rogan13:49

      Which one's that?

   6. AGAJ Gentile13:50

      Exhales loudly ] I forget when it would even come out. Um, it ... Here's all the CYAs. I'm an expert on nothing. I don't know anything. I tell stories-

   7. JRJoe Rogan13:58

      Me too.

   8. AGAJ Gentile13:59

      ... okay? "How can you talk about Planet Serpo if you've never been?"

   9. JRJoe Rogan14:04

      (laughs)

   10. AGAJ Gentile14:04

       Look, I just, I just like this-

   11. JRJoe Rogan14:07

       (laughs)

   12. AGAJ Gentile14:07

       I just, all due respect. That, does-

   13. JRJoe Rogan14:09

       That, that's gonna go on forever.

   14. AGAJ Gentile14:10

       Yeah, forever.

   15. JRJoe Rogan14:11

       "You've never been?"

   16. AGAJ Gentile14:12

       (laughs) "You've never been." Um, I hope he's okay. Douglas Murray's a lot of fun.

   17. JRJoe Rogan14:17

       Oh, he's great.

   18. AGAJ Gentile14:18

       Um, yeah. So, I'm not an expert on anything. So, I don't know when Brookings was, but it was the same thing. It was a recommendation from the government that, "Look-"

   19. NANarrator14:25

       I think that was in 1960.

   20. AGAJ Gentile14:26

       1960.

   21. JRJoe Rogan14:26

       Oh, same thing?

   22. NANarrator14:27

       Well, I don't know about the exact same thing, but, uh-

   23. JRJoe Rogan14:29

       Same kind of thing?

   24. NANarrator14:30

       ... Proposed Studies of the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs, commissioned by NASA and created by the Brookings Institute. Collaboration, long-range study, yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan14:40

       Oh.

   26. AGAJ Gentile14:40

       Same result. Don't do it.

   27. JRJoe Rogan14:42

       Yeah. I think they're probably right, but also, I wanna know.

   28. AGAJ Gentile14:46

       Well, that's, that's put, puts us in a pickle, I think, is ... Let's say it's real. Uh, I, I wanna know too.

   29. JRJoe Rogan14:56

       Mm-hmm.

   30. AGAJ Gentile14:57

       But I don't want the Chinese to know. And I don't want, I definitely don't want Iran to know. So, I understand-
5. 16:51 – 20:38

   A brief detour: quitting booze, vices, and the late-night mystery habit

   1. JRJoe Rogan16:51

      You want some coffee?

   2. AGAJ Gentile16:53

      Yeah, let's have some coffee. I'm off booze right now.

   3. JRJoe Rogan16:57

      For- forever?

   4. AGAJ Gentile16:58

      No, p- not forev-

   5. JRJoe Rogan16:59

      Cheers.

   6. AGAJ Gentile17:00

      Cheers. I just needed a break.

   7. JRJoe Rogan17:01

      Yeah.

   8. AGAJ Gentile17:01

      It was becoming a little bit-

   9. JRJoe Rogan17:02

      Me too.

   10. AGAJ Gentile17:03

       ... like a habit. You too?

   11. JRJoe Rogan17:05

       Yeah, I've been off for two and a half months, maybe even a little more now. Yeah, I, I just, for n- ... I just decided one day, "I'm done." And then I feel great.

   12. AGAJ Gentile17:15

       Feel better?

   13. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       Oh, my god.

   14. AGAJ Gentile17:16

       Think clearer?

   15. JRJoe Rogan17:17

       Yeah.

   16. AGAJ Gentile17:17

       Wake up feeling better?

   17. JRJoe Rogan17:18

       Ar- I have a nightclub, so I'm, I'm at my nightclub, my comedy club all the time.

   18. AGAJ Gentile17:22

       Exhales loudly ]

   19. JRJoe Rogan17:22

       And, you know, everybody's buying shots and, "You don't want a beer? You don't want this or that?" After a while, you're like, "God, I feel like shit."

   20. AGAJ Gentile17:28

       Yeah, you do.

   21. JRJoe Rogan17:29

       You know? But I'm at ... It's like the illusion is that you won't have fun. I'm having the same amount of fun. It's so much fun.

   22. AGAJ Gentile17:35

       Of course, and 'cause I c-

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:36

       It's not necessary.

   24. AGAJ Gentile17:36

       ... I get, I can ... I'm funnier (laughs) because I know what I'm talking about-

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:40

       Yes.

   26. AGAJ Gentile17:40

       ... and I'm not embarrassed the next day.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:42

       You just, it just doesn't kill your inhibitions, but that's ... It's overrated.

   28. AGAJ Gentile17:47

       It is.

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:48

       It's fun. I've had a good time boozing, but yeah, enough.

   30. AGAJ Gentile17:52

       I'm allowed to go back at the first of the month.
6. 20:38 – 30:16

   Giants & the Grand Canyon: forbidden zones, the Kincaid story, and Smithsonian suspicion

   1. AGAJ Gentile20:38

      Native American legends say exactly that.

   2. JRJoe Rogan20:40

      Mm-hmm.

   3. AGAJ Gentile20:41

      That it's this creature that lives between worlds. And the-

   4. JRJoe Rogan20:43

      Really?

   5. AGAJ Gentile20:43

      ... same with giants as well. They have the legends of the red-haired giants that were chased west.

   6. JRJoe Rogan20:47

      I'm glad we're getting to that.

   7. AGAJ Gentile20:49

      (laughs) Getting to giants?

   8. JRJoe Rogan20:50

      Yeah, because the giants thing is weird. When you go into the storyam I watched your episode on giants. I loved it.

   9. AGAJ Gentile20:55

      Uh, I think it was the M-

   10. JRJoe Rogan20:56

       The s-

   11. AGAJ Gentile20:56

       ... the Malta episode.

   12. JRJoe Rogan20:56

       The Smithsonian?

   13. AGAJ Gentile20:57

       Oh, that was... Yeah, that was G.E. Kincaid and the Smithsonian cover-up-

   14. JRJoe Rogan21:00

       Yes.

   15. AGAJ Gentile21:01

       ... in the Grand Canyon. That's a good story.

   16. JRJoe Rogan21:03

       Well, the whole Grand Canyon thing is bananas. Like, there's areas of the Grand Canyon you cannot explore.

   17. AGAJ Gentile21:09

       You cannot go. You cannot fly over.

   18. JRJoe Rogan21:12

       Right.

   19. AGAJ Gentile21:12

       Um, and you can't fly under the rim. Yet when you go to those bad places, suddenly w- white plane flies over, under the rim, black helicopters show up. I showed it in my episode.

   20. JRJoe Rogan21:22

       Yes.

   21. AGAJ Gentile21:22

       I show the black helicopter-

   22. JRJoe Rogan21:23

       Yes.

   23. AGAJ Gentile21:23

       ... showing up. Like, it's l- they do show.

   24. JRJoe Rogan21:26

       Yeah. Like, they are protecting something.

   25. AGAJ Gentile21:29

       Something.

   26. JRJoe Rogan21:29

       It's not as simple as, "This is a dangerous area," 'cause you can go to any dangerous area.

   27. AGAJ Gentile21:34

       You go t- just to the normal tourist areas.

   28. JRJoe Rogan21:36

       Right.

   29. AGAJ Gentile21:36

       It's like, "Be careful."

   30. JRJoe Rogan21:37

       Right.
7. 30:16 – 41:38

   Crop circles: from “guys with boards” to the 1% that won’t debunk cleanly

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:16

      It's a ru- a weird one, because when I first saw them, I'm like, "What is that?" And then I saw that these guys were doing them with boards and string. I was like, "Oh, it's just people being silly." And then I watched a whole documentary about how the energy that bent these things over caused these nodes to explode as if they'd been cooked in a microwave.

   2. AGAJ Gentile30:37

      Correct.

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:37

      And like, "What?" And then you find out that the actual stalks are woven together.

   4. AGAJ Gentile30:43

      Correct.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      It's not that they're pressed down, they're woven together. And that these are complex geometric designs that would have taken people weeks to map out. And- and- and there's no footprints leading up to it, there's no roads, no machinery, no evidence of any use of any kind of machinery. And these things appear (snaps fingers) like that. Like people have flown over an area, and then flown back an hour or two later, and there's immense, football field size, perfect geometry that no one can explain how it was created.

   6. AGAJ Gentile31:18

      Correct. So the- so the nodes in the stalks, a node is like a knuckle on your fingers. So, these- those are there for phototropism, uh, j- to bend toward light. So, what you're talking about is these things are bent over. They're bent over at right angles. It can only be done with high energy. But also around these crop circles, they're finding microscopic metallic spheroids in, around the circles. And that's not a conspiracy theory, they're finding them. And there- there are these mag- magnetic fields around the circles. And you can see videos online of people going into these crop circles and their- their hands start to get red. Things are happening to them. So, I went into crop circles thinking it was all guys with boards.

   7. JRJoe Rogan32:00

      Mm-hmm.

   8. AGAJ Gentile32:01

      But then when- when you watch people with boards making a crop circle, it's a mess. They can't do this. And you cannot bend the nodes of reeds and weave them together in a perfect ... You can't do it. So, that was... As I'm doing the research, I'm like, "All right, 99% of them are fake, but there's this 1% that I cannot explain."

   9. JRJoe Rogan32:22

      The famous video where you see the orbs circling around the field in England and then the crop circle slowly starts to emerge-

   10. AGAJ Gentile32:28

       Touching.

   11. JRJoe Rogan32:28

       Has that been be- debunket?

   12. AGAJ Gentile32:30

       Semi. It's controversial, because the- the guy releasing that video, I don't know his name offhand, allegedly went to a visual effects house-

   13. JRJoe Rogan32:39

       Oh, boy. (laughs)

   14. AGAJ Gentile32:40

       ... and ca- and released it. But, they somehow put that thing together in a matter of hours, which is suspicious. So in- in my episode on it, I said, "All right, here's what they- the skeptics say." But, you know, in the 1990s to do that- that kind of VFX work, 'cause it looks real.

   15. JRJoe Rogan32:56

       Mm-hmm.

   16. AGAJ Gentile32:57

       I don't know. To me, I'm- I'm on the fence about it. You know, I-

   17. JRJoe Rogan33:01

       It's very convenient that they got the footage.

   18. AGAJ Gentile33:04

       It is.

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:04

       You know?

   20. AGAJ Gentile33:05

       It is. Um, Operation Blackbird was a famous operation in 1990 to try and capture the footage live, um, by a great researcher named Colin Andrews. And, uh-

   21. JRJoe Rogan33:14

       Oh, he's the guy that does the books on crop circles, right?

   22. AGAJ Gentile33:18

       Yes.

   23. JRJoe Rogan33:18

       Yeah. He's all in.

   24. AGAJ Gentile33:19

       He's all in, and he got a lot of support for- for Blackbird. And n- not only did nothing happen, he was totally embarrassed by it. And it was all like streaming live, and a lot of people were involved. He's embarrassed. We find out later that while they're, like, waiting for the circles to happen, just a few miles away there's a mili- uh, top secret military operation doing whatever they're doing. Uh, he doesn't know why. And then he gets a knock on the door from someone, you know, men in black, whoever it is, that s- first offers him- him money to stop his work, then threatens him with whatever, threatens his family. And, uh, he doesn't know who this guy is. They go back and look at the tapes, and he sees the guy in the background of w- like one of the TV crews. So, the theory is, some type of intelligence was embedded into Blackbird, made to discredit him. And that was kind of- that was kind of the end of Colin Andrews because he was- he was a legit researcher at that point. Now he's a- now he's fringe, now he's pseudoscience. But I get into that in the episode. That was something I discovered that I never knew that there was intelligence involved. I didn't know that there was a military op, which is confirmed. It's all, it's- it's wild.

   25. JRJoe Rogan34:26

       So do you think they discredited him on purpose?

   26. AGAJ Gentile34:27

       Yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan34:28

       Interesting. To make the crop circle thing looks foolish. But like what does the crop circle thing ... Like what is the, out of the believers, what is the best theory?

   28. AGAJ Gentile34:39

       The believers is that it's a- it's a way to message craft or it's a landing site, or it- it's some type of communication.

   29. JRJoe Rogan34:49

       But why- why would- why would they do it in wheat fields?

   30. AGAJ Gentile34:51

       I- I don't know. It doesn't make sense to me. If you have the technology, just you know-
8. 41:38 – 50:49

   Disinformation inside the mystery ecosystem: Mirage Men, Doty, and reputation sabotage

   1. AGAJ Gentile41:38

      So the artist angle is a conspiracy angle. There's a man named John Lundberg-

   2. JRJoe Rogan41:42

      Phew.

   3. AGAJ Gentile41:42

      ... who is a, was part of a group called CircleMake- Makers.org, which is, uh, an art project and also a sociology experiment. He would make fake crop circles to see how people would react. Years later, Lundberg and some associates created a documentary called Mirage Men, which is an excellent documentary. And it's mostly about Richard Doty and his disinformation campaign on behalf of the Air Force to discredit the UFO community. Drove Paul Bennewitz nuts. Um, P- Bill M- Bill Moore, who's the, who's the guy who essentially brought Roswell out to the public, Bill Moore was taking payments and being fed information from Doty to muddy the waters in the UFO community.

   4. JRJoe Rogan42:20

      Mm-hmm.

   5. AGAJ Gentile42:20

      He finally came clean in '89, was booed off the stage at MUFON, and everything just unraveled. So it's all disinfo.

   6. JRJoe Rogan42:27

      They boot him off the stage?

   7. AGAJ Gentile42:28

      'Cause he fin- he finally said, "Look, I've, I've been working with the government."... a lot of the stuff I've been saying, they told me to say. Majestic 12. All this stuff was coming from Doty, and they didn't want to hear it. They didn't want to ... And his career was basically over that day.

   8. JRJoe Rogan42:44

      Wow.

   9. AGAJ Gentile42:45

      Bill Moore. He ... There was no Roswell story before Moore, before his book. And, you know, that was Doty. So, the, the documentary about Doty was directed and put together by Lundberg and his associates. Lundberg was one of the original circle makers that would make these fake crop circles to see how people would react. I just thought it was an interesting-

   10. JRJoe Rogan43:04

       Mm.

   11. AGAJ Gentile43:04

       ... connection.

   12. JRJoe Rogan43:05

       But it's interesting bec- because clearly some people are making these.

   13. AGAJ Gentile43:09

       Mm-hmm.

   14. JRJoe Rogan43:10

       But, like, what was the origins of it? 'Cause I'm, I'm sure you've seen that image from the newspaper of the devil with a, a scythe. You know what I mean? And they're talking about crop circles, like, back in, like, the 17 and 1800s.

   15. NANarrator43:25

       1678.

   16. JRJoe Rogan43:26

       Yeah. 1600s, wow. First crop circle ever reported was in 1678. According to the story, a farmer and crop mower were arguing about the cost of harvesting the farmer's oat field. The farmer was furious at the mower's price and stormed off, swearing that the devil himself should harvest the crop. That night, a dazzling light lit up the oat field, and in the morning, the farmer discovered perfectly round circles in his crops. He was so frightened by the circles, which he thought could only have been so neatly mowed by the devil or some infernal spirit, that he abandoned any attempt to harvest the field. That's a little sketch. You're scared of circles? Come on, pussy.

   17. AGAJ Gentile44:02

       Uh, uh, really though?

   18. JRJoe Rogan44:05

       (laughs)

   19. AGAJ Gentile44:05

       If there were crop circles in my backyard, I would be a little nervous.

   20. JRJoe Rogan44:08

       I would be curious. It's not f- terrifying, right?

   21. AGAJ Gentile44:12

       Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan44:12

       They're not something that would scare me away from harvesting my crop.

   23. AGAJ Gentile44:15

       No, I'm more afraid of the government than I am of, you know (laughs) -

   24. JRJoe Rogan44:18

       Yeah.

   25. AGAJ Gentile44:18

       ... that stuff and the things.

   26. JRJoe Rogan44:19

       Crop circles don't seem to be killing anybody.

   27. AGAJ Gentile44:20

       No.

   28. JRJoe Rogan44:21

       But it's like, what is ... So, ley lines. So, these things are to differentiate areas so they can see them from the sky. Is that the idea?

   29. AGAJ Gentile44:30

       The ley lines are the, are the energy lines.

   30. JRJoe Rogan44:32

       Mm-hmm.
9. 50:49 – 59:46

   UAPs in the ocean: Malibu ‘base,’ trans-medium craft, and manufacturing theories

   1. JRJoe Rogan50:49

      Hmm. Yeah. Well, there's always the question of, like, what's going on off the coast? And I'm sure you're aware of this one, that we actually talked about it the other day but we never found it. There's a structure that's off of Malibu in the deep water that was available on Google Maps-

   2. AGAJ Gentile51:07

      Was a structure.

   3. JRJoe Rogan51:08

      Was.

   4. AGAJ Gentile51:08

      Mm-hmm.

   5. JRJoe Rogan51:09

      And now it's blurred out.

   6. AGAJ Gentile51:10

      Yup.

   7. JRJoe Rogan51:11

      But it looked like there's openings in it, there's a top that's flat. It looks like-

   8. AGAJ Gentile51:16

      Looks like a base.

   9. JRJoe Rogan51:17

      Looks like a base.

   10. AGAJ Gentile51:19

       Looks like a base.

   11. JRJoe Rogan51:20

       Yeah.

   12. AGAJ Gentile51:20

       You know, if, if-

   13. JRJoe Rogan51:21

       And now it doesn't.

   14. AGAJ Gentile51:22

       Now it just looks like blurry water.

   15. JRJoe Rogan51:24

       Yeah, like, why does it look different now? Like, what's going on?

   16. AGAJ Gentile51:27

       With a gun to my head, all the weird stuff is in the ocean, it's not from another planet.

   17. JRJoe Rogan51:32

       Really?

   18. AGAJ Gentile51:33

       Nah, I don't know. W- who knows? But it's, it makes a lot more sense that the stuff we're seeing, uh, b- ... It's the best place to hide, is just deep water.

   19. JRJoe Rogan51:41

       So, not from another planet originally?

   20. AGAJ Gentile51:44

       No-

   21. JRJoe Rogan51:44

       Like, maybe originally and that's where they, they m- make their base?

   22. AGAJ Gentile51:48

       I, I, it's hard for me to square how to travel great distances. It's hard for me to square that. You know, I know that we've got the Albuqueria Drive and Warp Drive and all these theoretical things-

   23. JRJoe Rogan52:00

       Mm-hmm.

   24. AGAJ Gentile52:00

       ... about, about compressing spacetime and all of that. I, you know, I get it, um, but it's hard for me t- to think that that's solvable. But what is interesting is maybe another species evolved alongside of us a long time ago and has been here a long time and said, "You know what? Let's go ... Here's, this is where we go to avoid cataclysms and, uh, geological instability. W- let's go underwater."

   25. JRJoe Rogan52:23

       That's a weird one, though, because, like, what kind of technology are you utilizing and how would you ache- how did you achieve that level of technological superiority and not completely control man? Because if I was an intelligent species that was capable of developing bases under the water, I'd be super concerned at all the different things that human beings are doing to ruin things.

   26. AGAJ Gentile52:45

       (laughs)

   27. JRJoe Rogan52:45

       Like, if we had chimps that all of a sudden had flamethrowers and they were lighting the jungle on fire, we'd probably take their flamethrowers.

   28. AGAJ Gentile52:51

       So, like, we would turn off a nuclear reactor?

   29. JRJoe Rogan52:54

       Hmm. Yeah.

   30. AGAJ Gentile52:55

       Right. So, we talk about humans. If, if, if this theory's true, that they evolved here, there were no humans. Humans is, are 300,000 years old. That's n- ... It would take whatever species a lot longer than that to evolve to this technological level. And we've seen the craft just zip into water with no displacement.
10. 59:46 – 1:04:35

    Ancient mysteries and gatekeeping: megaliths, underground cities, and Younger Dryas debates

    1. JRJoe Rogan59:46

       But it's like, I, I still to this day will pick up those books and read them, and it's like, I, I do not think that modern archeology has the full story, and I've seen the way they behave. I saw the way Flint Dibble behaved with Graham. They're gatekeepers. They don't want anyone to have any information that they don't have, so even in the face of very compelling information, they dismiss, uh, uh, o- openly, quickly, without any consideration. They, they just want to dismiss it, and then they want to pretend that any archeologist that presents any kind of information that fucks up the narrative isn't immediately attacked, and they are. Their careers are ruined. Whether you go back to Clovis First or in... Any of these different archeologists that have proposed alternative theories of the human timeline, all of the conventional archeologists, all the mainstream people attack them.

    2. AGAJ Gentile1:00:41

       Randall-

    3. JRJoe Rogan1:00:41

       Dismiss them.

    4. AGAJ Gentile1:00:42

       Randall Carlson.

    5. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       Mm-hmm.

    6. AGAJ Gentile1:00:42

       Robert Schoch.

    7. JRJoe Rogan1:00:43

       Yeah.

    8. AGAJ Gentile1:00:43

       John Anthony West.

    9. JRJoe Rogan1:00:44

       Mm-hmm.

    10. AGAJ Gentile1:00:45

        Um, if I were advising Graham, I would have said, "Don't do that debate. Don't do it." There's no way to come off... You're not gonna convince anybody.... and you're just gonna come off not looking great. And, uh, and I've seen i- uh, his response on his own site.

    11. JRJoe Rogan1:01:00

        Mm-hmm.

    12. AGAJ Gentile1:01:00

        And he's even said that was probably a mistake, he wasn't prepared enough, but you'll never be prepared enough for a professional debunker. You just won't be. They'll have too much.

    13. JRJoe Rogan1:01:09

        Mm-hmm.

    14. AGAJ Gentile1:01:09

        So, I told him, "Don't, don't go in, don't go into the lion's den."

    15. JRJoe Rogan1:01:11

        Well, the problem was he wasn't being honest. Flint was not being honest about the information that we have, particularly about offshore shipwrecks.

    16. AGAJ Gentile1:01:19

        Mm-hmm.

    17. JRJoe Rogan1:01:19

        He was just not honest.

    18. AGAJ Gentile1:01:21

        Nope.

    19. JRJoe Rogan1:01:21

        You know? And the amount that they have discovered, not honest.

    20. AGAJ Gentile1:01:25

        And Graham didn't know that at the time.

    21. JRJoe Rogan1:01:26

        Yeah. And also, the timeline of, like, how old these are. When you get to 5,000, 6,000 years, there's no ship left. All you have is, like, the pottery and whatever is on the ground at the bottom. And if you're talking about 10,000 years, 15,000 years, who's to say that that's not completely covered by sediment by then? And it probably would be.

    22. AGAJ Gentile1:01:47

        Well, you know, I watched a little of, um, of Zahi Hawass on, on here.

    23. JRJoe Rogan1:01:51

        That's all you need, just a little-

    24. AGAJ Gentile1:01:52

        (laughs)

    25. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

        ... for that episode. You get it.

    26. AGAJ Gentile1:01:54

        I couldn't believe he was, he's still doing it. I mean, uh, I, he, maybe he was around when they actually built the things.

    27. JRJoe Rogan1:01:59

        I think that was probably the best advertisement for alternative archeology you're ever gonna get, when you see the guy that's the gatekeeper and how closed-minded he is.

    28. AGAJ Gentile1:02:09

        He didn't mention the capstones, the f- the f- the limestone facing from Torre, he didn't even talk about it.

    29. JRJoe Rogan1:02:14

        Well, also, this just saying it was the national project, and that's how they were able to get 80-ton stones 500 miles away through the mountains on sleds. Like, come on.

    30. AGAJ Gentile1:02:29

        The Aslan Stones are from 1,200 miles away.
11. 1:04:35 – 1:08:28

    Cosmic threats: Tunguska, meteor streams, and Apophis as a civilization-risk reminder

    1. AGAJ Gentile1:04:35

       Great Flood.

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:04:36

       Yeah, that's the theory, right? The theory of the Great Flood, and then the Younger Dryas impact theory destroyed the atmosphere where there was, like, above the Earth was just, like, chaotic, and they sought refuge underground.

    3. AGAJ Gentile1:04:47

       I lean more toward the, that the, the ice sheets melted from a solar event than an impact, but it certainly could be either. I mean...

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:04:55

       Well, it could be a combination of things-

    5. AGAJ Gentile1:04:56

       Could be.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:04:56

       ... because it's also, they think there's more than one. They, the impact event happened. They know this based on core samples, iridium, uh, the f- the nano diamonds that come from impacts, and-

    7. AGAJ Gentile1:05:08

       This is the Greenland impact.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:05:09

       Yeah, not just Greenland. North America. They think it happe- I think they found these, the evidence of this stuff, like, 30% of the Earth's surface where the, they believe these things had hit. I think we got bombarded.

    9. AGAJ Gentile1:05:22

       Right. So, that would be, like, flying through an asteroid field, like-

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:05:25

        Mm-hmm.

    11. AGAJ Gentile1:05:26

        ... like the, like the Leonids or the Perseids or the Taurids.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:05:29

        Mm-hmm.

    13. AGAJ Gentile1:05:29

        So, the remnants of s- of some giant object that d- is rubble-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:05:33

        Right.

    15. AGAJ Gentile1:05:33

        ... and we just fly through it, which means we fly through it frequently.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:36

        We f- fly through it twice a year.

    17. AGAJ Gentile1:05:38

        Twice a year.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:05:38

        But we don't always... You know, most of the time, we get lucky, and it's not a really, uh, a hot one. But, like, what happened-

    19. AGAJ Gentile1:05:45

        But they're, but they are big-

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:45

        ... with Tunguska.

    21. AGAJ Gentile1:05:46

        Tunguska. Right. That's, that's grim, and that's 1907.

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:05:49

        And that's i- ... And in the same month that we pass through that comet field.

    23. AGAJ Gentile1:05:54

        That's right.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:05:55

        Yeah.

    25. AGAJ Gentile1:05:55

        Right. That's over Siberia, and that was an airburst, I believe-

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:05:59

        Mm-hmm.

    27. AGAJ Gentile1:05:59

        ... 'cause there's no impact crater.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:06:00

        Right.

    29. AGAJ Gentile1:06:00

        But it flattened, like, millions of square miles of trees.

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:03

        And it's still fucked to this day.
12. 1:08:28 – 1:18:58

    “The moon is weird”: hollow moon lore, eclipses, and ancient ‘moonless sky’ stories

    1. AGAJ Gentile1:08:28

       I can't, I don't know. The moon, I have a, I have a, a, it became a saying on the show, I even have a T-shirt, "The moon is weird."

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:08:35

       Yeah.

    3. AGAJ Gentile1:08:36

       Like, uh, Gino's my, my weird topic guy. It's like, "What should we talk about?" And he's like, "Do hollow moon." So, I went into that story thinking this is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:08:44

       Right.

    5. AGAJ Gentile1:08:44

       The moon is hollow. And I'm doing the research, about halfway through, I'm like, "Hmm, the moon is weird." And then by the end of my research, I was convinced that clearly the moon is a hollow spaceship that was brought here from another part (laughs) of the galaxy.

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:08:56

       (laughs)

    7. AGAJ Gentile1:08:56

       And it's here, and the lizard people are absorbing our solar energy. That's the only explanation for it. Um, probably not true, but man, the, the moon is very weird.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:09:06

       Well, it's also weird that the alignment and the size and the distance of the moon makes the eclipse perfect. Like, what are the odds of that? What are the odds that it, it is the exact distance from the sun, so that when the moon and the sun align, it's exact?

    9. AGAJ Gentile1:09:29

       Right, it's like a 400:1 ratio. It's ex- it's exact.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:09:31

        It's nuts. Like-

    11. AGAJ Gentile1:09:33

        But, but you could debunk that by saying the moon is getting further and further away.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:09:36

        Right. But why is it perfect?

    13. AGAJ Gentile1:09:39

        Why, I mean, we have not found a planet in this solar system, or anywhere else, that has a giant moon right next to it like this.

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:09:46

        Quarter the size of the earth.

    15. AGAJ Gentile1:09:48

        W- we haven't found it.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:09:48

        Yeah.

    17. AGAJ Gentile1:09:49

        We're the only one with it. A- and there are ancient legends that talk about a moonless sky, and when the moon arrived. And when it arrived, it, it caused a, uh, caused a great flood.

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:10:03

        What are the ancient stories of a moonless sky? Where are they from?

    19. AGAJ Gentile1:10:07

        Um, ancient Indian texts will have it, but also native legends will have it, about the moon.

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:10:11

        Really?

    21. AGAJ Gentile1:10:11

        Um, about a moonless sky, and then the moon arrives, and, and-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:10:15

        When do they think the moon arrived?

    23. AGAJ Gentile1:10:17

        It's, it's hard to tell. You know, I always go to Younger Dryas, Younger Dryas. But it, but who really knows? The earth was apparently just covered in this m- haze, just very wet, very hazy, maybe like Venus or something like that. Then the moon arrives, and all that water from the atmosphere drops down to earth. The tidal forces are crazy, there's a huge flood, and everything just settles, and then the moon is here.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:10:41

        Oh.

Episode duration: 2:53:53