Joe Rogan Experience #2334 - Kash Patel

1. 0:00 – 15:00

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   1. JRJoe Rogan0:00

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   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music)

   4. KPKash Patel0:12

      Joe Rogan. All right. What's going on, man? How you doing, Joe?

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:15

      Very good to see you, sir.

   6. KPKash Patel0:16

      Thanks for having me in Austin.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:17

      What is it like to be the head of the FBI? How weird is that?

   8. KPKash Patel0:21

      It's completely-

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:22

      (laughs)

   10. KPKash Patel0:22

       ... F-ing wild.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:23

       (laughs)

   12. KPKash Patel0:24

       I mean, I don't even know how to describe it. I-

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:26

       What was it... What did you think it was going to be like? And what was different once you got in there?

   14. KPKash Patel0:33

       Um, I thought that we were going to be able to come in with the movement that President Trump came in with, the administration to fix this... fix the errors that the leadership of the FBI previously made, not like the 37,000 and change people. And we are, we're doing a ton of work. Um, I didn't know we would be able to do it this quickly, is my surprise. And that, what that showed me was the people at the Bureau, literally people who've been there, 30-year agents, they're coming up to me and being like, "Dude, we wanted to do that 15 years ago."

   15. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       Really?

   16. KPKash Patel1:10

       "We wanted to do that 10 years ago." And then- then my question was like, "You guys are the pros." Like, I'm just... Uh, my job as the director, I'm not chasing down bad guys, I don't know how to do that, is to give them what you need and get the hell out of the way. And they were like, "Dude, all they did was get in the way." So-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       So like, what like- what kind of stuff pacifically- specifically did you start doing that they wanted to do 15 years ago?

   18. KPKash Patel1:31

       Simple. The one that I've taken the biggest heat for. You know, when I said, "Hey, there are... These are the statistics from the USG, so you can take them or leave them, right? I don't know where else to go because nobody else does these, right?" In the last calendar year, not this one, the year before last, 100,000 people were dying of drug overdoses a year. That's one every seven minutes. A child or kid was being raped every six and a half minutes in this country. And there were two homicides an hour in this country. And we have a 38,000-person workforce, and I said, "Okay. Where are- where are the agents? Where are our intel analysts? Where is everybody?" We got 55 field offices, we got 300 what we call RAs, resident agencies, so satellite offices to field offices in major cities. And they said, "Well, we've got 11,000 FBI employees in what we call the NCR, the National Capital Region." So if you take D.C. and you do a 50-mile, 60-mile radius around it, 11,000, almost a third of the workforce work there. And I said, "What the hell are they doing there?" They said, "Well, they mandated if you want a promotion, if you want to move up, you got to come back here and prioritize stuff here." So I said, "Look, we're moving agents and intel analysts to the field." And that's what I did. 1500 people are going to the field, because a third of the crime doesn't happen in Washington, D.C. and the 65 miles around it. And everybody was like, "We've been wanting to do this forever." I mean, just think about it-

   19. JRJoe Rogan2:50

       Yeah.

   20. KPKash Patel2:50

       ... one agent out in Indian country, one agent out in Texas, Arkansas, Washington State prevents a homicide, conducts a major drug bust, stops a sh- a ton of fentanyl or meth from coming into our country. One agent can do that. And th- the agents that I talk to now from around the country are just stoked. Th-

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:10

       That's awesome. That's great news. That really is great news, because the fentanyl thing scares the shit out of me. It really does.

   22. KPKash Patel3:17

       Well, it's one of the things I want to hammer down on. But whenever you want to get into that.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:20

       Yeah, please. Yeah.

   24. KPKash Patel3:23

       Whew.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:23

       It's so terrifying because, you know, we've shown it on the podcast, the amount that'll kill you.

   26. KPKash Patel3:28

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan3:28

       It's so small. It's like the- the tip of a pencil.

   28. KPKash Patel3:31

       Yeah, it's like point something something milligrams. It's not-

   29. JRJoe Rogan3:33

       Yeah.

   30. KPKash Patel3:33

       It's nothing. I'll give you... I put this to big programming, I love doing this long-form stuff and this is the only long-form interview I'm going to do. I hope you know.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. KPKash Patel15:00

      got a threat, uh, with government X. What are we doing operationally, kinetically? What are we doing intelligence collection?" That's a CONOP. The first Concept of Operation that the Biden administration launched at the Department of Defense was on climate change.

   2. JRJoe Rogan15:15

      (laughs)

   3. KPKash Patel15:16

      You can't make this shit up.

   4. JRJoe Rogan15:18

      What do you think that's all about? Like, as an outsider, as someone, like, looking at it, going, "I just don't understand." Like, where's the profit in this? Like, what, what is, what's the motive? Like, w- what would incentivize all these people to get on board with it without someone logically stepping in and saying, "Hey, this is not our top priority"?

   5. KPKash Patel15:39

      I think at its ... So, that was something I tried to answer when I was at a government for the last four years before I took this job.

   6. JRJoe Rogan15:47

      (sniffs) .

   7. KPKash Patel15:47

      And the answer laid in the first Trump term. We were doing things so effectively on national security that hadn't been done before, in such speed and volume, that the media hated us for it because the- the other party had tried to do it and failed. And so-

   8. JRJoe Rogan16:08

      Like what, what things specifically?

   9. KPKash Patel16:10

      So, when it comes to ... Okay, hostages. I can talk about that forever, too. Used to be counterterroring was a big portfolio. I ran it for the White House and National Security Council in the first Trump administration. We brought home ... People don't know this. President Trump, in his first term, brought home and rescued over 50 hostages and detainees from around the world. That's more than every president before him combined.

   10. JRJoe Rogan16:32

       Wow.

   11. KPKash Patel16:33

       Did you hear about the-

   12. JRJoe Rogan16:34

       Not a peep.

   13. KPKash Patel16:35

       ... the- the successes of reuniting families with lost loved ones from Africa and the Middle East, or these operations that the president was courageous enough to greenlight to go into places like Afghanistan and do these hostage rescue ops and use SEAL Team Six and Delta, or take out guys like Baghdadi and Soleimani? President Trump's directive was simple. "We are going to protect the homeland. We're not going to endanger the lives of our armed forces and our intelligence community, but their job is to protect the homeland." And he said go, and we went. And I think there was such a resounding success that the media had such a hatred for President Trump and his administration. They just said, one, "We're not going to give you the credit," two, "We're going to put out a ton of disinformation," which we can get into, and three, when they came time to transition governments from Trump to Biden, they just said, "We're not gonna do," and this is my opinion, "We're not gonna do any of the stuff that worked, because then we'll have to attribute it to Trump's policies. So, we're gonna go off on our end." And I keep asking people to prove me wrong. Like, tell me something you did in that administration that carried out the apolitical national security mission to a T. Right? I mean, you had the secretary of defense in the Biden administration go down, go to a hospital, MIA, literally AWOL, and didn't tell the commander-in-chief, and broke the National Command Authority. There is a reason, and I was the guy responsible for that nuclear football for part of my time at the White House-

   14. JRJoe Rogan18:06

       (sniffs) .

   15. KPKash Patel18:06

       ... that that thing ... And there's an unbroken chain of command between the president of United States, the secretary of defense, and the National Command Authority at all times, because shit happens. And what if it had happened in that one or two weeks the guy was in the hospital, and maybe something didn't? We don't even know, right? But no one, including the president, didn't know the secretary of defense was in the hospital. I can't tell you how big of a cataclysmic failure for the national security mission that is. And what I tell people when they're like, "Ah, it's all right. It's not that big of a deal." Well-... what if Hexeth took a week out and said, "I'm going to the hospital. I'm not telling anyone." What do you think the media would do to that guy-

   16. JRJoe Rogan18:42

       (laughs)

   17. KPKash Patel18:43

       ... and Trump-

   18. JRJoe Rogan18:43

       Yeah.

   19. KPKash Patel18:43

       ... if that were to happen now?

   20. JRJoe Rogan18:45

       Yeah, it would be catastrophic.

   21. KPKash Patel18:47

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan18:47

       Yeah. Um, so this person went to the hospital for what? What was the-

   23. KPKash Patel18:53

       I keep losing my flame. (laughs)

   24. JRJoe Rogan18:54

       Oh, you got the... Is it in the lighter over there?

   25. KPKash Patel18:56

       No, I got it. Yeah, you got it. Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan18:58

       What was, uh... What were they in the hospital for?

   27. KPKash Patel19:02

       So, Secretary Austin was in the hospital for medical issues, and I'm not saying you shouldn't have treatment-

   28. JRJoe Rogan19:06

       Right, but there should be someone else that's-

   29. KPKash Patel19:08

       There's- there's a plan in place.

   30. JRJoe Rogan19:09

       Right.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Wow. What a dirty…

   1. KPKash Patel30:00

      put out just yesterday? Two days ago? The Nellie Ohr documentation that the FBI hid to the world, that we gave them, where Nellie Ohr is caught red-handed providing information to her husband, thumb drives related to Trump-Russia collusion, directly proving that Nellie Ohr li- lied to Congress. Felony. Can't prosecute her. Statute of limitations is gone. That's just one example.

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:25

      Wow. What a dirty business.

   3. KPKash Patel30:30

      Yeah, ain't it? (sighs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:31

      Politics is just, it is just the dirtiest. And in this age of transparency, because of, you know, the internet and social media, uh, and independent news, like everybody knows about it now. Like if this, if the, if CNN and, you know, and all these left wing news sources, MSNBC, and it was only Fox on the right, and that was all we had, and we had no internet-

   5. KPKash Patel30:53

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:53

      ... all this would be completely secret. No one would've known the, the Russiagate collusion, that, that, all that stuff would be...... people would really think it's a true story, it would probably take decades before someone wrote a book where people started to really take it seriously and really realize that there was something fucked up about it.

   7. KPKash Patel31:12

      Yeah. Um, I'm not allowed to plug my book, so I won't. But I did write a book about it.

   8. JRJoe Rogan31:16

      You can plug your book. Why can't you plug your book?

   9. KPKash Patel31:17

      I think there's some rules on it about government-

   10. JRJoe Rogan31:19

       I can plug your book. What's your book? Give it to me.

   11. KPKash Patel31:21

       Here you go. Ah, this one's for you anyway, Government Gangsters, bestseller.

   12. JRJoe Rogan31:23

       Oh, Government Gangsters by Kash Patel. Go buy it.

   13. KPKash Patel31:26

       (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       Plugged.

   15. KPKash Patel31:28

       (laughs)

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:28

       You didn't plug it, I did.

   17. KPKash Patel31:29

       I love it. The-

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:31

       Did you do the audio?

   19. KPKash Patel31:32

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:33

       You read it?

   21. KPKash Patel31:34

       Oh, I, I got somebody to, to do it. I, my voice is not for radio or TV.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:38

       Ah, come on man. You got a great voice.

   23. KPKash Patel31:39

       Ah, I appreciate that. It's, uh, it's taken time and a lot of cigars to get to here.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:43

       It would be good for you to read it. They should let you read it.

   25. KPKash Patel31:45

       Yeah. Well, I mean, what's in there, what ... But the reason I wrote it is, one, I never thought I was going back into government service. And two, part of the job to completing the mission was exposing what people didn't ever think could happen in the United States of America. And it was not just disinformation and misinformation, but your government and leaders in government weaponizing it for political purposes. Not just FBI and DOJ, but others, and the IC. And what it shows you is the backend of that too, the rewards. Right? The guys that ... wrapping it back up, or re- reversing it back up, the guys that were in charge of Russiagate at the FBI, Andy McCabe, right? Remember what this guy did. Andy McCabe agreed to set in motion a plan with the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein at the time, to have him wear a wire into the Oval Office to record President Trump. That, those documents we found, we released them.

   26. JRJoe Rogan32:42

       Whoa.

   27. KPKash Patel32:43

       Put that aside. While Andy McCabe was in charge of the Trump-Russia gate collusion investigation, his wife was running for political office in the state of Virginia. Do you know who's funding her campaign for political office to the tune of $600,000? Hillary Clinton world, who happened to be running against Donald Trump. Do you know what Andy McCabe did? He leaked information about the Clinton investigation to the media, unlawfully, as the Deputy Director of the FBI.

   28. JRJoe Rogan33:11

       Pshew.

   29. KPKash Patel33:12

       Got caught by us. Then lied about it to federal authorities. And that's the reason Andy McCabe was dismissed. Do you know what the Biden administration did? They allowed him to retire out of the FBI with full benefits.

   30. JRJoe Rogan33:31

       Wow.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   So, this is a…

   1. JRJoe Rogan45:00

      hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation. "I think the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide," said Dr. Baden, who observed the autopsy done by city officials. Dr. Baden, a former New York City medical examiner and a Fox News contributor said, "I have not seen in 50 years where that occurred in suicidal hanging case." Uh, findings by Dr. Baden were strongly disputed by the city's chief medical examiner, Dr. Barbara Sampson, who previously ruled that Mr. Epstein's death on August 10th in the Metropolitan Correctional Center was a suicide. "I stand firmly behind our determination of the cause and manner of death in this case," Dr. Sampson said in the interview on Wednesday. She added, "In general, fractures of the hyoid bone and cartilage can be seen in suicides and homicides." The hyoid bone is near the Adam's apple. Dr. Sampson also dismissed Dr. Baden's contention that the circumstances around Mr. Epstein's death suggested other people may have been involved. She said her office had done a complete investigation, taking into consideration information gathered by law enforcement in the making, in making the determination.

   2. KPKash Patel46:04

      So, this is a perfect example of going back to my public defender and prosecutor days.

   3. JRJoe Rogan46:08

      Mm-hmm.

   4. KPKash Patel46:09

      This is what we call a war of experts.

   5. JRJoe Rogan46:12

      Right. Right.

   6. KPKash Patel46:12

      You can always find someone-

   7. JRJoe Rogan46:14

      Right.

   8. KPKash Patel46:14

      ... to come in and say the opposite.

   9. JRJoe Rogan46:16

      Right.

   10. KPKash Patel46:16

       And I used to do it all the time. I mean, I represented some of the worst humans that you can possibly imagine on Earth. Literally, the guys that, uh, were trafficking children from Mexico into America. And you could put up a professional expert to say... And this is what's gonna go on forever. And my job is not the forever. My job is to get you absolutely everything that we can give you. And that's what we're gonna do.

   11. JRJoe Rogan46:40

       When did you become aware of this video that showed that no one had gone in and out of the cell?

   12. KPKash Patel46:45

       Um, recently. Uh-

   13. JRJoe Rogan46:47

       So why was it recent, though? I mean, if this death was... How long ago was this death? Two years?

   14. KPKash Patel46:52

       Uh, about 2019.

   15. NANarrator46:53

       Couple-

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       2019?

   17. KPKash Patel46:54

       2019.

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:55

       Oh, really? Wow, time flies. So six years. W-

   19. KPKash Patel47:00

       Well, again, that's part of what I'm gonna try to answer for you.

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:02

       Jeffrey Epstein Jail CCTV Erased by Technical Errors. Whoopsies. (laughs)

   21. KPKash Patel47:09

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       But you see how anybody on the outs-... I mean, this is like a perfect storm-

   23. KPKash Patel47:14

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:14

       ... for some-

   25. KPKash Patel47:15

       Oh, yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:15

       Can you pull that article up so we can read what it says, Jimmy? "US prosecutor said the jail mistakenly saved footage from the wrong cell." Sorry. "Epstein, a convicted sex offender, first tried to kill himself in July of last year and hanged himself in jail on-"

   27. KPKash Patel47:29

       Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:29

       Yep.

   29. KPKash Patel47:30

       Reread that line.

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:32

       That he first tried to kill himself in July of last year?
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Why, why were they…

   1. KPKash Patel1:00:00

      So then Chris Wray, the former FBI Director, went to Capitol Hill and testified about it. And the Congress was like, "Wait a second. Is this real? Is it predicated on actual fact? And how, how wide is it? Is it one office? Is it all these people across the country? Are Catholics being targeted as domestic terrorists?" And what ended up happening was Wray said, "Oh, it's just one office, one memo. Nothing to see here." Well, what we just roll out, again, to Congress this week, to Chuck Grassley, who put it out, was that, in fact, it was multiple offices, multiple memos that were weaponizing law enforcement to target a religious group during an election cycle, and we proved it. And now everybody has read it. B-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

      Why, why were they targeting the Catholics?

   3. KPKash Patel1:00:47

      I don't know. You'd have to ask the people that got it here before I did.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:50

      Did you have any suspicion of what kind of motivation they would have to, to do that?

   5. KPKash Patel1:00:56

      I think when you use ... It goes back to Russiagate. If you're willing to use Mickey Mouse journalism, if you're willing to use the Fusion GPSes and Christopher Steeles of the world, like the leadership at the FBI then did, then it has a chance to replicate itself. And that's what happened. I don't know if you know anything about the Southern Poverty Law Center, but it's-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:13

      Yeah.

   7. KPKash Patel1:01:13

      They literally are the ones that sent information to the FBI, and the FBI said, "Oh, we'll write a memo." And so, that's the type of work that I think gives credibility back to the Bureau, us exposing it, us giving Congress the truth. Congress coming back in and saying, "Hey, you actually didn't give us the Heisman. You gave us the documents, we gave 'em to the American people." And if there were criminal referrals to come outta that, then let's do that. I mean, we just had a great breakthrough this week on Fauci.Um, so Senator Rand Paul, Senator Kennedy, and I hate naming names because I always forget people, are doing a great job with us on COVID origins. And, and we've got multiple investigations open on that. But they had always been looking for, um, Fauci's original phone and ... or not original, but phones and devices he used while he was Fauci back in Trumpland during COVID. And nobody had found it till two days ago.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:02:11

      Really?

   9. KPKash Patel1:02:12

      Yeah. Now look, your audience and everybody listening to this shouldn't jump to the conclusion everything's in there. We'll look at it. We'll pull it, we'll rip it, as we say. And maybe it's deleted, maybe it's not. But at least we found it, and at least now we can tell the American people we've been looking, because it is of public importance to figure out, did that guy lie? Did he intentionally mislead the world and cause countless deaths? We owe those answers to the American people. And the best evidence ever is always the people's evidence who created it. And so now we're gonna go and exploit those hard drives. But I think a victory for the American people that we broke with Congress is that we did find it. We're not done. We're still looking, and we're on the case. So whether it's Richmond Catholic memo, whether it's Fauci COVID origins, whatever becomes of rape, Russia gate, Crossfire Hurricane, whatever becomes of great public importance, that's a big part of what we do at the FBI too.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:03:06

       The Crossfire Hurricane one is bananas.

   11. KPKash Patel1:03:08

       Well, that's all Russia gate. Yeah, it's completely nuts.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:03:11

       Yeah. Yeah, it's all gay.

   13. KPKash Patel1:03:11

       I mean, you can ... We can do three days on that. I mean, I'm, that's like ... (laughs) I spent-

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:03:15

       Yeah. It's bananas. I mean, it's, I mean, there's so many things in the past that you, you get it. Like, like the, uh, operation Fast and Furious.

   15. KPKash Patel1:03:24

       Yeah, the guns.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:03:26

       Insane. Which led to the death of American lives.

   17. KPKash Patel1:03:29

       Of a federal agent.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:03:30

       Yeah.

   19. KPKash Patel1:03:30

       Yeah. You, you know, and there's just things that, like, I see that you would think I would have more uproar, even as, as much time I've been doing this that don't, and things that wouldn't have, that my mind would be like, "No one's gonna pay attention," and people are like, "Oh my God." And so that's part of the learning curve for me too. You know, like trying to figure out what the balance is. You know, should I be giving this so much attention, so much resources? But then when I have to call a parent because their kid's dead from fentanyl, or when I have to call a cop's family, and I call every single line of duty death that we have in this country. I call everyone's chief and I call their families. And I'm glad that the numbers are going down in terms of how many have been killed this year versus last year.

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:04:10

       How much have the numbers gone down?

   21. KPKash Patel1:04:13

       Um, by over 15% so far. But I want to be at zero.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:04:19

       Right.

   23. KPKash Patel1:04:19

       You know, that's where my focus needs to be.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:04:21

       15% in 100 days is-

   25. KPKash Patel1:04:22

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:04:22

       ... still-

   27. KPKash Patel1:04:23

       You know.

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:04:24

       ... pretty good.

   29. KPKash Patel1:04:24

       Give or take a couple points.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:04:25

       Yeah.
6. 1:15:00 – 1:18:09

   That's great to hear.…

   1. KPKash Patel1:15:00

      We're gonna help them. And we put out Operation Not Forgotten where we re- we deployed, this- this month and this summer, um, I can't remember how many agents and intel analysts, specifically to remote tribal locations to solve crimes that have not been solved for years, specifically the most violent, and we're gonna double down on that. And as Bongino likes to say, "This summer, we are unleashing a massive operation across the country." Um, as Dan calls it, it's a, uh, it's a bad day to be a bad guy this summer, because the FBI is putting out all these extra agents and personnel into the field, and we're gonna come find you. If you think you can nest in our communities and- and find safe haven, you're going to prison.

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:15:42

      That's great to hear. So when- w- what is the- when you guys sit around, you think about the motivation to let all these people into the country-

   3. KPKash Patel1:15:53

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:15:53

      I mean, again, you- you kind- you're kind of speculating, but why do you think they allowed it? Why do you think they allowed the border to be wide open like that?

   5. KPKash Patel1:16:01

      You know, in my job now, that's, like, one of those political decisions, and so I try to stay out of that. Uh-

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:16:06

      But how is that political to leave the border, like, to-

   7. KPKash Patel1:16:10

      I don't- I-

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:16:10

      How is a national security issue political?

   9. KPKash Patel1:16:12

      So that's just it. From my perspective, it's a national security decision, and they failed on the national security mission. But I think where the decision from that administration to do that was a political one. That's what I'm trying to sort of separate. I've always viewed it singularly, protecting the border, preventing drugs from coming in, preventing terrorists-

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:16:33

       Right.

   11. KPKash Patel1:16:34

       ... from coming in, preventing people from-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:16:35

       But what- what political decision could be made that makes any sense at all to not do that?

   13. KPKash Patel1:16:40

       I don't think there is one, but unfortunately, they did it anyway.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:16:44

       Do you think it was just that Biden was just not there, and everyone else that was really running things was completely incompetent, was focused on other things, was focused on maybe the optics of border protection, that it, you know, that somehow or another, there was some negative connotation to it politically?

   15. KPKash Patel1:17:05

       I don't... I think it's- I always say this. I think it's dismissive to say those people were incompetent. They're super smart. They're not dumb. And whether or not Biden was running things or whatever, conversation for other people to- to have, but there's lots of people around him who are very smart, who were in government for a long time, and they, this is what I mean, they politicized the national security and law enforcement apparatus of this country by making those decisions. The why, you'd have to ask them as to why they did that and why they thought that was okay, and why people think it's okay for, uh, James Comey to go down a beach and put up 8647. You know, that's another political act that hurts our national security from smart people who are doing it intentionally, and maybe because it's they want press, maybe because it's they're selling a book, maybe because it's they want notoriety. I don't know the answer to that. But for me, it's all national security related, and these people keep doing it over and over again. The good thing is now there's a bulwark against it, because we're in, and-

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