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Joe Rogan Experience #2335 - Dr. Mary Talley Bowden

Dr. Mary Talley Bowden is a board-certified Otolaryngologist, Sleep Medicine specialist, and founder of BreatheMD: a direct-care ENT practice in Houston, Texas. In addition, she is a senior fellow with the Independent Medical Alliance (formerly FLCCC), the founder of Americans for Health Freedom, and also serves on the board of the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation. https://⁠www.breathemd.org⁠ ⁠https://posthillpress.com/book/dangerous-misinformation-the-virus-the-treatments-and-the-lies

Joe RoganhostDr. Mary Talley Bowdenguest
Jun 10, 20252h 51mWatch on YouTube ↗

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  1. 0:00 – 15:00

    (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

    1. JR

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

    2. NA

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day. (instrumental music)

    3. JR

      All right. Very nice to meet you.

    4. MB

      Nice to meet you.

    5. JR

      I have, uh, I saw you on the Danny Jones podcast, and, uh, I've, uh, read a lot of your tweets and Twitter, and, uh, just the, the entire ordeal that you've been through since, uh, the beginning of COVID, and so I felt like it would be very educational for people to, uh, hear your perspective.

    6. MB

      Well, I appreciate you continuing to talk about COVID 'cause, uh, I think a lot of people are sick of it. I'm certainly ready to move on, but...

    7. JR

      I am too, but...

    8. MB

      (laughs) We've got...

    9. JR

      It's just people need to make sure this doesn't happen again.

    10. MB

      Exactly.

    11. JR

      You know?

    12. MB

      And nothing's happened really. Nothing's been corrected.

    13. JR

      No. Not only has nothing been corrected, I was just watching an argument on television where they were trying to argue for, uh, vaccinating women who are pregnant.

    14. MB

      Oh, right.

    15. JR

      It's like...

    16. MB

      It's insane. I mean, there's a, there's a golden rule of pregnancy, right? You don't, you don't experiment on pregnant women. You don't experiment on an unborn child.

    17. JR

      You're not even supposed to eat sushi.

    18. MB

      Exactly. Right. But we're gonna put this modified mRNA technology into these women who, you know, early treatment, we have early treatment. COVID is no longer a threat. We're dealing, you know, at one point it was more than a cold, but not now. Why, why in the world would we give them to pregnant women or children? Or-

    19. JR

      The only thing that makes sense is money.

    20. MB

      Right. Well, and ego.

    21. JR

      It's the only thing that makes sense.

    22. MB

      And ego and...

    23. JR

      Ego meaning because they've already recommended it 'cause they don't want to admit that it's not effective. They don't want to admit there are side effects.

    24. MB

      I mean, we have, we have hard facts showing it should be pulled off the market. I mean, any other product would've been pulled a long time ago. If this were an antibiotic and we'd seen all the, the carnage from an antibiotic, it would've been yanked off long ago. It should've been yanked off in the first month. Um, there just, there's no other explanation than there's just, there's fraud, there's corruption, there's ego, there's money. Um, but it's not science.

    25. JR

      No. And there's a lot of people that, uh, for whatever reason, they have this very rigid ideology that the pharmaceutical drug companies are to be trusted, and we should trust the science and that all these organizations, whether it's the FDA or wha- whatever it is that's connected to these assertions, they should be trusted, not just the average doctor who's talking about these side effects and all these different things that they're experiencing with their, their patients.

    26. MB

      Yeah. I mean, I trusted them. When, when the pandemic started, I mean, I didn't think that the shots would work necessarily, but I trusted them. I didn't think they were going to hurt us.

    27. JR

      Why didn't you think they would work?

    28. MB

      Because they were rushed to the market. I knew the flu shots were already iffy. We're dealing with a virus that mutates. We've never been able to vaccinate against a cold, which, you know, it's a rapidly mutating virus. It's, it's, it's been tried before and they've, it's failed.

    29. JR

      If you don't mind, please t- tell everybody what your background is in, in medicine.

    30. MB

      Uh, yeah, private practice, solo physician. I'm not head of the Mayo Clinic. I'm just a, you know, neighborhood ear, nose, and throat doctor that sort of got tangled up in this inadvertently. And I always thought when, when the pandemic started, I thought, "Well, this will be the hospital. This will be a chaos in the hospitals." I never envisioned getting wrapped up in this at all. Um, I, you know, I trained at Stanford, and then I, I moved to Texas after residency. Um, and then I, I worked in a small private practice for seven, eight years. Then I started having a bunch of children, and I pretty much gave up medicine, and I took a seven-year sabbatical. I wasn't even sure I was gonna go back. Um, but then I just had this itch that needed to be scratched, and I opened up a solo practice six months before the pandemic started.

  2. 15:00 – 30:00

    So, when the monoclonal…

    1. MB

      is seeing your patients do well. So, why would I, you know, continue to have tr- you know, COVID patients come in if I couldn't help them? Um, and it's astounding to me that the doctors in the hospitals just didn't pivot, didn't try new things. And I guess they were handcuffed by, you know, the hospital administrators. But it just seems to me that, um... You know, there was a- a doctor in- in Houston, Joe Varon, who I'm pretty good friends with, who... A critical care doctor, and he was one of the founders of FLCCC, which is sort of the... They developed the original protocols for ivermectin. And Dr. Varon had much better success than most other doctors. His overall success rate was 4.4% of his patients died, whereas in other hospitals, it averaged around 20%. And he did, he threw the kitchen sink at them, at people. And he- he basically followed this FLCCC hospital protocol.

    2. JR

      So, when the monoclonal antibodies were suppressed, what- what was the messaging? Like, what did they say to doctors?

    3. MB

      They said that the- the strain of the virus was no longer covered, so that it had evolved and it wouldn't work. But they-

    4. JR

      At the same time, they're using the exact same vaccine.

    5. MB

      (laughs) Exactly. And they had switched-

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. MB

      ... the monoclonal antibodies periodically. So, it wasn't like they started with one and stuck with it, say, the whole time. They switched it as things evolved. But they-

    8. JR

      It was really clear. And it... The propaganda was shocking, because y-... We've all seen propaganda. We've... With foreign conflicts, weapons of mass destruction, all that jazz. We've all seen propaganda. But when Rolling Stone magazine printed an article saying that people were... The hospitals were overflowing with people overdosing on ivermectin and gunshot victims couldn't get in, and then they used a stock photo which was of a bunch of people wearing winter coats in like... I think it was... I think the article was August.

    9. MB

      Mm-hmm.

    10. JR

      In Oklahoma.

    11. MB

      (laughs)

    12. JR

      Like, the whole thing was so... It was so brazen and sloppy and obvious, especially w-... In the age of Google. If this had all gone down in the 1980s, we would all be in the dark.

    13. MB

      Mm-hmm.

    14. JR

      We'd have no idea. We would have went like, "Well, I guess I... The ivermectin's killing people."

    15. MB

      Mm-hmm.

    16. JR

      You know, you... We wouldn't have known until like 2030, you know. People would have like... And you would have been a conspiracy theorist. You'd have been a crazy person, like one of those people that could tell you all the facts about the Kennedy assassination-

    17. MB

      Right. (laughs)

    18. JR

      ... you know, with wild eyes (laughs) .

    19. MB

      (laughs)

    20. JR

      Oliver Stone. You know, but it was so obvious and it was so confusing, because I... You know, I had had people on my podcast before where... You know, I'd had doctors on and I would talk about foolish people that don't believe in traditional medicine. Like, people that want to try different things. Like, "Are you cra-" People that were anti-vaccine or anti-anything. I'd be like, "These are the best people at the front of the line. Trust them." Five years later, I'm like, "Don't trust anybody."

    21. MB

      (laughs) Right.

    22. JR

      "They're all compromised. It's all money."

    23. MB

      Right.

    24. JR

      And that was the most disheartening thing. It... The propaganda was disheartening, but it was that the whole system is compromised. And then, when I found out that pharmaceutical drug companies are s-... They're the ones that are funding studies, and that they could have a whole ton of study. They don't have to divulge all the data from their studies. They only have to show you some studies that were carefully crafted to show efficacy. But all the other studies that they had that even showed negative effects, they could bury those. They didn't have... They weren't held responsible.

    25. MB

      Exactly.

    26. JR

      I was like, "What is this?" Like, what is this- it's- but it's like everything in the world when money gets involved.

    27. MB

      You know, that Rolling Stone tweet is still up.

    28. JR

      That's-

    29. MB

      I found- I found it yesterday.

    30. JR

      ... so wild.

  3. 30:00 – 45:00

    What happened at Vanity…

    1. MB

      Um, and so we did sue them and we won, and they had to take down the horse tweet and they had to take down the misinformation on their website. But unfortunately, as you know, evidenced by what just happened on Vanity Fair, I mean, the brand of it being only for animals still lives on. And, you know, it'd be great-

    2. JR

      What happened at Vanity Fair?

    3. MB

      So the reporter still used the term "horse dewormer."

    4. JR

      Oh, with the recent article, you mean?

    5. MB

      Right, right.

    6. JR

      Yeah.

    7. MB

      Uh-

    8. JR

      Wild.

    9. MB

      Right.

    10. JR

      Wild. You're- you're still vi- able to give a horse dewormer at a push here, in 2025.

    11. MB

      Right, right.

    12. JR

      When Chris Cuomo is out there talking about how he's taking it for long COVID.

    13. MB

      Right, right.... but we would, it would be great if the FDA could issue some sort of statement-

    14. JR

      Yeah.

    15. MB

      ... you know, saying that it is safe, that it is used in humans. They don't have to say much more than that, but, you know, we could use a little help in rebranding ivermectin. And there are also a bunch of states that are trying to make it over-the-counter. I'm not sure if you've seen that, but-

    16. JR

      Yes, I have.

    17. MB

      Seventeen states have had bills in the last legislative session trying to get ivermectin over-the-counter. Three have been successful, so Tennessee, Idaho, and Arkansas. Four, they're, it's still in deliberations. And ten, they've failed. Um, but another thing the FDA, I believe, should do is make ivermectin over-the-counter, because people are basically going to the feed store. I mean, my, my own kid, he had some sort of scabies situation, um, in West Texas over the weekend. He had to go to the feed store to get treatment. Um, and I, yeah, I did a poll on Twitter. 52% of the respondents said they go to the feed store to get their ivermectin. I mean, it's just-

    18. JR

      Is there any difference in the ivermectin from the feed store?

    19. MB

      I don't know. I mean, I haven't heard of anybody having issues. But it's just unnecessary. This is America.

    20. JR

      It's crazy.

    21. MB

      We should be able to get the medication very easily.

    22. JR

      And there is some sort of an efficacy for some sort of skin infections, is that true?

    23. MB

      Scabies is, is one of them, yeah.

    24. JR

      Yeah.

    25. MB

      And they use it-

    26. JR

      So, but you use it topically? Is that how it's were, used?

    27. MB

      You can. I mean, for hi- for scabies, actually, you can take it orally.

    28. JR

      Okay.

    29. MB

      Um, but yeah. So, we shouldn't have to go to India. We shouldn't have to go to the feed store. We should be able to just go to, I mean, in Mexico you can get-

    30. JR

      The guy from India, he still emails me.

  4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

    (laughs) I think the…

    1. JR

      They're gonna tell me the truth." That's... I thought... I just automatically thought that. Or they're at least saying what they're allowed to say. Maybe the government holds back some information, but they're not gonna lie. And then I... Uh, you see my own self on TV and I'm sure... (laughs) But I'm used to being, like attacked for things.

    2. MB

      (laughs) I think the harder was... Is, uh, you know, CNN, whatever, but it's more just the locally, like going to the grocery store, going to the baseball game with your kids playing and, like, hoping... You know, sitting in a corner because you don't want anybody to see you. Um-

    3. JR

      Did anybody ever bother you?

    4. MB

      No. Honestly, no. But you just feel self-

    5. JR

      Right.

    6. MB

      You just feel very self-conscious. It's hard not to.

    7. JR

      Yeah.

    8. MB

      Even now, um, I still feel self-conscious, but it's a lot better. I mean, uh, yeah. At mother... I had a Mother's Day event at school and people actually came up and said nice things to me for once, so that was-

    9. JR

      Well, that's nice.

    10. MB

      That was nice. Yeah.

    11. JR

      Well, a lot of people got red-pilled-

    12. MB

      Yeah.

    13. JR

      ... you know, to, to use the Matrix expression. You know, where they, they woke up to what's really going on during the... I mean, it's kind of a masterful job of propaganda over the years that the pharmaceutical drug companies have done. I mean, because most people aren't even aware of how many drugs get pulled. They're not, they're not even aware of the high percentage of them. I... What is it? In the 30s?

    14. MB

      Well, yes, about 33%. Uh, they did-

    15. JR

      Yeah.

    16. MB

      ... they looked at it over 10 years. 33% had significant safety warnings-

    17. JR

      Damn.

    18. MB

      ... um, on the drugs. And it took about four years for those to become recognized. I mean, there are drugs that I used to prescribe that are no longer on the market. I mean-

    19. JR

      Yeah.

    20. MB

      ... so, yeah. Like I said, it would have been... Uh, any other drug would have n- definitely been pulled by now, based on all the adverse events we've seen.

    21. JR

      But it's just very profitable, and that's what people have to wake up to. There's a bunch of factors, right? There's, there's the, the primary one, which is a bunch of scientists that are really trying to help people, and they're really trying to develop new ways to cure Parkinson's and all sorts of other problems, cancer, and, and these people are just constantly wor-... And then there's the money people.

    22. MB

      Mm-hmm.

    23. JR

      The money people who take that thing and say, "How do we give OxyContin to everybody?"

    24. MB

      Mm-hmm.

    25. JR

      And then you have the Sackler family, right? You have evil.

    26. MB

      Mm-hmm.

    27. JR

      You have, like, actual evil. Maybe they don't have horns, maybe they don't have a, a forked tail, but that's a d- demonic thing to do. You're, you're, you're, you're infecting people with essentially something that turns them into a zombie, and it's killing people.

    28. MB

      Especially in health.

    29. JR

      But you're gonna make a lot of money.

    30. MB

      In health, too.

  5. 1:00:00 – 1:13:54

    It's only gonna stay…

    1. MB

      in the arm, right?

    2. JR

      It's only gonna stay right where your arm is.

    3. MB

      (laughs)

    4. JR

      Your body will react to it.

    5. MB

      Right.

    6. JR

      It'll produce the antibodies, and then you're good to go.

    7. MB

      Yeah.

    8. JR

      And then all these silly people, you can watch them die in the streets and laugh as you step over them. "Ha ha ha."

    9. MB

      (laughs)

    10. JR

      "I was smart."

    11. MB

      Right.

    12. JR

      "I trusted the science."

    13. MB

      Yeah. Yeah.

    14. JR

      Yeah. So they know that it, it ... That's not true. It doesn't stay local. They know it doesn't dissipate within ... It was a small amount of time-

    15. MB

      Yeah.

    16. JR

      ... that it's supposed to stay inside your body. They know that's not true.

    17. MB

      Right. So yeah, they have, uh, they replaced one of the nucleotides with something that's hard to break down, pseudouridine. They've never shown that s- pseudouridine is cleared from the body. There's no study showing that we can clear it. So it could, that could be why these people have these sky-high antibody levels four years later, uh, because the body might not be able to break it down. Um-

    18. JR

      Oh, my god. Oh, my god. That's terrifying. What could you conceive of would, that would help something like that? Like, what, what could you do that would aid the body in being able to do something like that?

    19. MB

      I, uh-

    20. JR

      Is there anything theorized?

    21. MB

      I, uh, I don't know. I wish ... You know, Robert Malo would be a good person to ask, maybe. Um-

    22. JR

      Yeah.

    23. MB

      You know, maybe something like-

    24. JR

      He should come back on-

    25. MB

      Yeah.

    26. JR

      ... and do a victory-

    27. MB

      (laughs)

    28. JR

      ... victory lap anyway.

    29. MB

      Yeah.

    30. JR

      That guy was torn apart.

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