Joe Rogan Experience #2340 - Charley Crockett

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. CCCharley Crockett0:00

      (drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience. (rock music) Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music)

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:12

      Yeah, but, doing something at the Viper Room and then trying to come here the next day.

   4. CCCharley Crockett0:19

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      (laughs)

   6. CCCharley Crockett0:21

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:21

      The Viper Room's just notorious, like even when you're in the building, you just feel like, "Ugh."

   8. CCCharley Crockett0:27

      It is notorious.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:27

      Yeah.

   10. CCCharley Crockett0:28

       And it's funny because I'd, the only way I'd ever been in there was through that, you know, the door on the side street there.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:33

       Uh-huh.

   12. CCCharley Crockett0:34

       You know? And, uh, but they, you know, they had all the cameras out and took me around the... I'd never come in through the door on Sunset before, even recognized the place.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:43

       No, I'd never been through that door either.

   14. CCCharley Crockett0:44

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:45

       I've on-, like I said, I've only been there once. I was there for a comedy show. It just feels weird. It's a, there's, there's certain buildings that just have bizarre history. You know?

   16. CCCharley Crockett0:52

       Yeah, well, Shooter was telling me last night, man, uh, River Phoenix died on the sidewalk right out that door on the... I didn't know that. I thought it was in front of the-

   17. JRJoe Rogan1:00

       Yeah.

   18. CCCharley Crockett1:00

       I thought it was in front of the Whiskey for some reason.

   19. JRJoe Rogan1:02

       No, no, It was the Viper Room.

   20. CCCharley Crockett1:04

       I never realized that.

   21. JRJoe Rogan1:05

       Yeah. Yeah. It was a fucked up place. Hey, man. Nice to meet you.

   22. CCCharley Crockett1:09

       Pleasure's all mine, Joe. Thanks for having me.

   23. JRJoe Rogan1:10

       I love your music.

   24. CCCharley Crockett1:11

       Really?

   25. JRJoe Rogan1:11

       Yeah, yeah. Yeah, when my friend, Jake turned me onto you. Your, your music is like, you've lived a life. You can't fake that.

   26. CCCharley Crockett1:19

       Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:19

       You know what I mean? There's something about certain dudes' voices and songs-

   28. CCCharley Crockett1:24

       Hmm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:24

       ... they're like, "All right, that guy's done some living."

   30. CCCharley Crockett1:26

       Hmm.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   (laughs) …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      I sniffle. But these are real sniffles, folks. These are allergy sniffles.

   2. CCCharley Crockett15:03

      (laughs)

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:04

      I watched the fucking craziest movie last night, The Substance. Have you heard of that movie?

   4. CCCharley Crockett15:08

      I've heard of it.

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:09

      That's that new Demi Moore movie.

   6. CCCharley Crockett15:11

      Yeah, I was af- afraid to watch it.

   7. JRJoe Rogan15:12

      Holy shit, man.

   8. CCCharley Crockett15:13

      It's intense.

   9. JRJoe Rogan15:14

      Oh my god. One of the most insane movies I've ever seen in my life.

   10. CCCharley Crockett15:17

       Mm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan15:18

       It's about this lady who's getting older and, uh, someone approaches her with this new experimental drug that allows you to live as a young person for seven days, and then you have to switch back to the old person for seven days. I don't wanna spoil it for anybody, but it was fucking insane.

   12. CCCharley Crockett15:35

       Mm.

   13. JRJoe Rogan15:35

       Like, like I left... I was like, "I gotta watch something stupid on YouTube for a couple of hours-"

   14. CCCharley Crockett15:39

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan15:39

       "... before I go to bed because I'm, I'm weirded out by this movie."

   16. CCCharley Crockett15:42

       Yeah, that's the reason I haven't watched it yet, before our time is still... The, it was... that's the... I'm just saying.

   17. JRJoe Rogan15:47

       (laughs)

   18. CCCharley Crockett15:47

       You gotta sc- it... I never liked, I never liked the, like the sensory overload, like horror movies.

   19. JRJoe Rogan15:54

       Oh, yeah.

   20. CCCharley Crockett15:54

       I like classic horror movies.

   21. JRJoe Rogan15:56

       This is a sensory overload times 10.

   22. CCCharley Crockett15:58

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan15:58

       I mean, it's, it's fucking insane. It's an insane movie. It's really good. I mean, it, it really grips you. It's very entertaining, but just good lord.

   24. CCCharley Crockett16:06

       Have you seen, uh, um, Uncut Gems?

   25. JRJoe Rogan16:10

       Yes. Love that movie.

   26. CCCharley Crockett16:12

       Isn't that a good movie?

   27. JRJoe Rogan16:13

       Oh my god.

   28. CCCharley Crockett16:13

       It was like a little much for me, but it was so good and it wasn't so crazy, you know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan16:18

       Yeah. Well, I grew up with a lot of gambling addicts, so for that movie, that movie like really hit home for me. I was like, "Oh god, geez, like got anxieties and..."

   30. CCCharley Crockett16:27

       Howard? Is that his name? Howie Howard? You know, uh, Sandler's character?
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   20... 1, probably 22,…

   1. JRJoe Rogan30:00

      old were you?

   2. CCCharley Crockett30:01

      20... 1, probably 22, something like that. And I had done some hi- a little bit of hitching before, like around the South Texas and like Louisiana, but I'd never really been way out there. And, uh, anyway, I started hitchhiking around, um, 'cause I had to, but I remember it was in California the first time, about anybody besides my mama, ever looked at me playing guitar as it having any kind of value, you know? Like, any economic value or like, it was a, it was a...... a trade of, you know, recognition, you know?

   3. JRJoe Rogan30:39

      Mm.

   4. CCCharley Crockett30:39

      It was kind of the, was the first time I was out there, out there.

   5. JRJoe Rogan30:43

      So, you had been playing about four, four or five years back then?

   6. CCCharley Crockett30:45

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan30:46

      Yeah.

   8. CCCharley Crockett30:47

      I was playing outside because our place was so small. I wasn't playing outside to, like, make money or anything like that. I would go to this park, had like a baseball diamond on it, sit on these bleachers or whatever. And I'll never forget, the first time anybody threw, like, just a pocket full of change in my case, I'm sure it's because they, you know, were worried about me (laughs) and felt bad for me-

   9. JRJoe Rogan31:11

      Yeah.

   10. CCCharley Crockett31:12

       ... or what- or whatever. You know? And it wasn't like that, it wasn't like that money hit the case and, and not like a light went off or anything, you know? It was a slow, it was a slow, gradual deal. Like, I was playing outside because there was, you know, there wasn't enough room to play in the hou- in the house or whatever, you know? And then, you know, I got in a lot of trouble with the law, um, which kinda put me on the run, put me on the road. And-

   11. JRJoe Rogan31:42

       What was the trouble with the law?

   12. CCCharley Crockett31:44

       Uh, you know, my, I've said it a lot, and it's funny, I'm a lot better known than I used to be, so it's like you say stuff about your family and they hear about it and ...

   13. JRJoe Rogan31:54

       They get mad.

   14. CCCharley Crockett31:55

       They get mad.

   15. JRJoe Rogan31:56

       Yeah.

   16. CCCharley Crockett31:56

       But, uh, (laughs) it's so funny 'cause it's all over the internet, and, uh, they're the ones that had the government on their ass, not me. But anyways, yeah, we just kinda, you know, shit hit the fan, got up in the newspapers. My brother didn't go to high school, you know? Neither did my sister, neither of them went to high school. They both dropped out, you know, 'cause I'm from South Texas, I was born in the Rio Grande Valley, they were born up in Dallas, but my mama had moved down there to, uh, South Padre Island area, McAllen, Harlingen area there. And, um, anyway, it's poor and pretty hard living down there and, you know, hell, I didn't wear shoes til I was probably nine or ten years old, you know?

   17. JRJoe Rogan32:33

       Really?

   18. CCCharley Crockett32:33

       Playing outside and ... My brother and sister, they're ten years older than me, half-brother and -sister, and, uh, we have different daddies, and, uh, they really lived wild, you know? It was just, things were pretty, pretty tough back then or whatever. I'm telling you that background because my brother became a hustler, you know, because he had to, because of a lack of education, lack of access, you know, 'cause of poverty, um, and I've honestly always respected him for that, you know? Um, he took, he used to take me around door-to-door selling newspapers when I was 11, right? And you wanna know why? 'Cause I had, I had broken my arm, and he realized if you carted that young boy out in front of those pe- those apartments when that lady answered the door, and it's these two brothers and one of them's got a broken arm, she's gonna buy the, she's gonna go ahead and subscribe. (laughs)

   19. JRJoe Rogan33:24

       Yeah. She feels bad.

   20. CCCharley Crockett33:26

       You know? Yeah. In, in a, in a, in a nutshell, man, he, you know, through all that stuff, you know, he, he started out as a door-to-door salesman, you know, hustling newspaper subscriptions, right? Then he started, like, selling neckties and, like, men's clothing door-to-door in downtown Dallas office buildings, you know? And, as a very young man. And eventually he graduated to, you know, hard knock, boiler room type of guys. You know, you keep knocking on those doors in that Wild West business scene of towns like Dallas, you know, or Houston, you know, eventually you're gonna find what you're looking for. And he got in with some big old wolves, you know? And eventually it, it knocked everybody out and a lot of people died, a lot of people w- went to prison. And, um, you know, we were in the paper, and, uh, I couldn't... I found myself not being able to get a bank account and nobody I knew would go near me, you know? And-

   21. JRJoe Rogan34:27

       Wow.

   22. CCCharley Crockett34:27

       Um, so it ended up being like a Bob Marley type of thing, you know? Like, you know he said, uh, "If you're not living good, travel wide."

   23. JRJoe Rogan34:34

       Mm.

   24. CCCharley Crockett34:35

       Right? And I literally just walked out of town because, you know, we had scarlet letters on our chests and that's when I, that's when I really started learning how to stand behind that guitar and write songs and slowly but surely start... I, I learned how to play basically in front of people, and people just were giving me money, kinda, over time. That and, you know, food and shelter in exchange for my story at their back door.

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:01

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   26. CCCharley Crockett35:38

       You know?

   27. JRJoe Rogan35:38

       Do you ever wonder, like, how things could've gone? 'Cause things turned out great.

   28. CCCharley Crockett35:44

       Mm.

   29. JRJoe Rogan35:44

       Like, look, you're a popular m- music artist now.

   30. CCCharley Crockett35:47

       Yeah.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Wow. …

   1. CCCharley Crockett45:00

      Jennings, those guys were making two, three records a year.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:03

      Wow.

   3. CCCharley Crockett45:03

      You know? And you think about when Waylon breaks through, right, in the mid '70s, you know, and like as he's doing, you know, coming into his own in seven- 1974, 1975, I mean, how many records in is he at that point, you know?

   4. JRJoe Rogan45:21

      Wow.

   5. CCCharley Crockett45:21

      He's-

   6. JRJoe Rogan45:22

      Yeah.

   7. CCCharley Crockett45:22

      How many... I mean, you know, Waylon's Red Headed Stranger, which revolutionized country music or, like, the Outlaws compilation record that the two of them were on together, which was basically a compilation and kinda marketed as the Outlaws subgenre, um, you know, those guys were 15, 16, 17 records in, you know?

   8. JRJoe Rogan45:46

      Right.

   9. CCCharley Crockett45:47

      Areth- Aretha Franklin popped off on her ninth or tenth record.

   10. JRJoe Rogan45:50

       Wow.

   11. CCCharley Crockett45:51

       You know? And these, most of these artists, the way the business works, they won't make nine or ten records in their career.

   12. JRJoe Rogan45:57

       Right.

   13. CCCharley Crockett45:58

       That's crazy to me.

   14. JRJoe Rogan45:59

       That is crazy. And what better way to develop than to just keep constantly producing new music and learn along the way?

   15. CCCharley Crockett46:05

       And, and being neglected or misunderstood by their business when I was first dealing with it, that was the- it was a really, a s- really a blessing because I ended up making so many records, you know?

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:20

       Yeah. The music business has always been so predatory.

   17. CCCharley Crockett46:25

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan46:26

       But it's, it's, it's like it's th- the way I describe a lot of things. It's like when you get something that's good combined with a bunch of people that want to make money off that something that's good.

   19. CCCharley Crockett46:36

       Mm-hmm.

   20. JRJoe Rogan46:36

       You know, whether it's medicine or whether it's music, or even in comedy, you get the same thing. You get a bunch of people that just think they can make money off you.

   21. CCCharley Crockett46:46

       Man, I always thought comedy was the hardest. I always figured it was the hardest, right? Th- 'cause you mean, like, you gotta make them laugh or they're gonna fucking kill you.

   22. JRJoe Rogan46:53

       And you have new shit all the time.

   23. CCCharley Crockett46:55

       There's nothing b- there's nothing behind you. There's not-

   24. JRJoe Rogan46:57

       Yeah.

   25. CCCharley Crockett46:57

       ... even a guitar covering you up.

   26. JRJoe Rogan46:59

       Right.

   27. CCCharley Crockett46:59

       It's crazy to me just to watch all those guys do their bit and shit, so, uh, like, I was always amazed by even attempt people going up at, like, the open mics and, like, trying out their routine, you know? That always terrified me. (laughs)

   28. JRJoe Rogan47:13

       It terrifies me still when I watch open mics. I watch open mics and I watch someone bombing, I, I gotta leave the room.

   29. CCCharley Crockett47:19

       (laughs)

   30. JRJoe Rogan47:19

       'Cause I, I want... I fear that it's contagious.
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00

   Oh. …

   1. CCCharley Crockett1:00:00

      valve, you automatically are on blood thinner the rest of your life. Automatically, no matter what. There's-

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:06

      Oh.

   3. CCCharley Crockett1:00:06

      And you can't... That's just how it's gonna be. Uh, it lasts twice as long as a prosthetic valve, which I had not heard of at that point, but that was the whole thing, "This can last up to 20 years." But guess what? You have, like, 300% higher risk of a stroke with a mechanical valve as a prosthet- a bioprosthetic cow valve. Um, and then the third thing was that you can hear that thing clicking. You can hear the valve-

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:36

      Yeah.

   5. CCCharley Crockett1:00:37

      ... ticking.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:00:38

      My buddy, Everlast, has one of those.

   7. CCCharley Crockett1:00:39

      Really?

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:00:40

      Yeah, he can go like this.

   9. CCCharley Crockett1:00:42

      You can hear it?

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:00:42

       Yeah, he... (clicking)

   11. CCCharley Crockett1:00:44

       And I was reading about that and, man, I'm like neurotic like I knew and like, "I'll never get over it." So that's when I found out about the, about the bovine cow valve.

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:00:55

       So it's made out of a cow?

   13. CCCharley Crockett1:00:57

       Yeah, Edwards Scientific makes it. I carry a little card around in my...... wallet with the tag of the p- of, you know, that product number in case somebody sees me on the s- finds me on the sidewalk. (laughs)

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       Wow.

   15. CCCharley Crockett1:01:09

       You know? And that p-

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:10

       How long does that last?

   17. CCCharley Crockett1:01:12

       They're supposed to last around 10 years, and I had mine in, uh, I had mine done in, right there at Seton, you know, Seton Medical there on 38th, in, uh, January of 2019. So we're coming back around to it, kind of h-

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:01:28

       So you have to get another operation?

   19. CCCharley Crockett1:01:30

       Yeah, but what they did is, they put a, they put a... The way they did it, and that here's the thing about, right, medical, and anything, right? The medical industry is, I think, really fucked up, and really predatory, totally profit-driven, and like, you know, people's health and preventative wellbeing and all that, I mean, we don't give, they don't give a, we don't give a fuck about that-

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:01:52

       Right.

   21. CCCharley Crockett1:01:52

       ... in this country, you know what I mean? There's no money to be made off of people who look, taking care of themselves, and eating right, and being preventative, and like...

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:02:00

       Right.

   23. CCCharley Crockett1:02:00

       You know, there's, there's, there's nothing in that. The part about it that is amazing though, even in the like kind of insanity of all the land of cheap traders, is the technological advancements.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:02:13

       Yeah.

   25. CCCharley Crockett1:02:14

       The technological advancements in the medical field, though n- not really, you know, um, available to the common person, um, they are incredible advancements, right? So it's like they're moving so quickly that by the time I need to get another one, I don't think they'll ever have to open me, cut me op- open again, 'cause they can like go in through a scope now.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:02:35

       Wow.

   27. CCCharley Crockett1:02:35

       They could do it at that time, it was just more experimental, and they didn't wanna do it. They were only doing it on really high-risk, older patients, you know? But I think it's already kind of gone more mainstream from where when they cut me open to like if I had did it right now, I could probably get around cutting it. You know?

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:02:52

       Right, so they'll go in through an artery?

   29. CCCharley Crockett1:02:54

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:02:55

       And then what do they have to do to it?
6. 1:15:00 – 1:17:26

   Mm-hmm. …

   1. CCCharley Crockett1:15:00

      But like, so like the automation thing, you know? They're all, they're all, Europe is way ahead of us on all of that because in a lot of ways, America... When you try to, like, analyze America against Europe and these countries over there, like, in some ways it's similar, but we're more similar to Latin or South America in a lot of ways, with just how big the country is, you know? And you know, the, the ag, the, you know, um, because the country's so big, we got the states that are divided up, all that type of shit. Those kind of technologies to like hit the people and become mainstream, it's slow, it's a slower process here, right? And one of the things, you know, about the pandemic that is obvious to me now is, you know, a lot of people realize that they could speed that up, you know? And you know, I mean, I think they'd been trying to eliminate, you know, the, the risks and, uh, what's the word? What are they like, you know, externalizing cost, right? Once, like how do we get, how do we get these machines in here and these people out?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:16:17

      Mm-hmm.

   3. CCCharley Crockett1:16:17

      And it, we've probably jumped ahead in that process in America a decade or more in just a couple of years. And I just remember, this was probably 2010, you'd go into a grocery store in Paris and there was, there was only one person working there and everything else was self-checkout, and that was years before I saw it here. And then you think about the way that that's hitting in every single industry in America.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:16:45

      Yeah.

   5. CCCharley Crockett1:16:46

      Right?

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:16:47

      Well, it's so easy for people to be completely disconnected from other people now.

   7. CCCharley Crockett1:16:51

      Mm-hmm.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:16:51

      You know, you don't, you don't have to interact, you know? And that's part of it. And if they-

   9. CCCharley Crockett1:16:56

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:16:56

       ... don't have to pay people, they can maximize their profits and then it becomes a very impersonal experience.

   11. CCCharley Crockett1:17:02

       Mm-hmm. Soylent Green is-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:17:04

       Yeah.

   13. CCCharley Crockett1:17:04

       ... coming, baby.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:17:05

       It's coming.

   15. CCCharley Crockett1:17:05

       You seen that movie?

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:17:06

       Yeah.

   17. CCCharley Crockett1:17:06

       It's a good movie, man.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:17:07

       That's a good movie.

   19. CCCharley Crockett1:17:08

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:17:09

       It's a scary fucking movie.

   21. CCCharley Crockett1:17:10

       Yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:17:11

       Well, I think all the dystopian movies about the future, they undersold it. It's gonna get real weird real soon. And because automation is not just gonna apply to self-checkout, it's gonna apply to everything. All the, all that truck driving shit, that's all gone. That's gonna be gone.

Episode duration: 2:47:22