Joe Rogan Experience #2355 - Mike Baker

1. 0:00 – 15:00

   (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast,…

   1. MBMike Baker0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) We're up. We're up. We're up. Mike Bay- Mike Baker, what a-

   4. MBMike Baker0:14

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      ... good time to talk to you.

   6. MBMike Baker0:16

      What a fine time.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      What a good time to have you in.

   8. MBMike Baker0:17

      What a fine time.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      There is so much chaos.

   10. MBMike Baker0:19

       There's... (laughs) It's so fucked up.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       There's so much madness.

   12. MBMike Baker0:21

       Oh my God.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Did you see the South Park episode?

   14. MBMike Baker0:24

       Which- which- which one? Ta-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       They did a Donald Trump one with Satan.

   16. MBMike Baker0:28

       No. No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       It's fucking hilarious. (laughs)

   18. MBMike Baker0:31

       Oh, I gotta- I gotta watch. I love it. The show is fantastic.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       (yawning)

   20. MBMike Baker0:34

       I raised my three boys on that show w- much to my wife's horror, but it's a great show. But I haven't seen that episode.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       It... When you think... Like, Bridget Phetasy had a funny quote, like, "When you think that they have reached the bottom of- of the, uh-"

   22. MBMike Baker0:47

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       "... the highest level of not giving a fuck, they reach, uh, unseen levels." Is it... (sighs) The whole... The Epstein thing is so crazy.

   24. MBMike Baker0:56

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Like, and him saying, like, "What do you care? Why does everybody care about Epstein?" Like, wha- (laughs)

   26. MBMike Baker1:01

       (laughs) Well, that's a... Yeah, I... But it is.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       (sighs)

   28. MBMike Baker1:03

       Look, I mean, uh, uh, although w- again, going back to South Park, uh, yeah, once they did the woodland creatures episode all those years ago, you thought, "Okay, that's gotta be the- the worst they can get," but-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Which one was the woodland creatures one?

   30. MBMike Baker1:13

       Oh my God, you gotta look it up. It was... It's fantastic. It... I- I'm not gonna do it justice if I try to explain what it's about. I- I guarantee you.
2. 15:00 – 30:00

   I will say- …

   1. JRJoe Rogan15:00

      That video clip is madness. That's a piece of madness. That's a crazy thing to say.

   2. MBMike Baker15:05

      I will say-

   3. JRJoe Rogan15:05

      That the truth gets in the way.

   4. MBMike Baker15:07

      I will say that the, the Epstein, um, the Epstein situation is gonna be so disappointing to so many people now. Because, um, I have this theory that nothing ever gets done in Washington DC, right? Investigations go to die there. Nothing ever happens. There's never any real consequences of any nature. And we got all sorts of things happening right now, right? So, so the Epstein case is just one of them. But right now, you've got, you've got the Dems focused on Epstein because, you know, again, they see... This is just... A good opportunity here to go after Trump, regardless of who else is in the files, right? And, and the Dems I think were worried for quite some time and didn't pursue it because, you know, years back they were thinking, "Okay, Clinton's going to be embarrassed. We don't want that."

   5. JRJoe Rogan15:50

      Right.

   6. MBMike Baker15:51

      So again, my point would be just release everything. I don't understand how, if you just look at the way that they handled this logistically, whoever thought... Because the mob wants to eat, right? And they've been throwing red meat to the mob about Epstein files now for, for years.

   7. JRJoe Rogan16:07

      It's part of how they got elected.

   8. MBMike Baker16:08

      Right. And so whoever in their communications group or in their strategic thinking arena in the administration thought, you know, that, "We can get away with just saying there's nothing to see here," they should be fired, right? Because there's no way you can satisfy this, this mob. And now the mob is oddly bipartisan because it's got the Dems and it's got, you know, part of the base of, of Trump in there.

   9. JRJoe Rogan16:29

      Yeah.

   10. MBMike Baker16:30

       And they're all, you know, screaming to have this... Goddamn it, just release this shit. Otherwise, this is going be around like Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy and, you know...

   11. JRJoe Rogan16:38

       Well, that's what's crazy. They did release more Martin Luther King document-

   12. MBMike Baker16:41

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       ... documents.

   14. MBMike Baker16:42

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan16:42

       Which is really crazy. Like, why are you holding secrets about the murder of one of the most beloved historical figures-

   16. MBMike Baker16:51

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan16:51

       ... of all time-

   18. MBMike Baker16:52

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan16:53

       ... from 1968?

   20. MBMike Baker16:55

       Part of that is a family request.

   21. JRJoe Rogan16:55

       And you just released it? Oh.

   22. MBMike Baker16:57

       Yeah, part of that's a family request. The family has asked, you know, in the past, on a number of occasions, they, they really don't want some of this... Because some of it... Look, some of it's salacious about, you know, Martin Luther K- Which doesn't take away from everything that he did, right?

   23. JRJoe Rogan17:10

       Right.

   24. MBMike Baker17:10

       As a, as a leader of a cause and a movement, uh, but some of it is, you know, reportedly-

   25. JRJoe Rogan17:14

       Extramarital affairs.

   26. MBMike Baker17:16

       Yes, yes.

   27. JRJoe Rogan17:16

       And things along those lines.

   28. MBMike Baker17:17

       So, there's been some push to be concerned about that. But yeah, now do the Epstein files, um...

   29. JRJoe Rogan17:21

       Well, they'll do it-

   30. MBMike Baker17:22

       Yeah.
3. 30:00 – 45:00

   Wasn't that kind of,…

   1. MBMike Baker30:00

      approach, right? And ...... you know, honestly, sometimes, you know, that c- that can work, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan30:05

      Wasn't that kind of, if you thought about this island, if you're bringing award-winning scientists, f- like, pr- famous people, politicians, world leaders all to one place, you're basically throwing-

   3. MBMike Baker30:18

      (laughs)

   4. JRJoe Rogan30:18

      ... as much shit against the wall as you can.

   5. MBMike Baker30:20

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan30:20

      And then you have all this stuff on all these different people and they know it. And so then you just kind of like... Wasn't there, like, some CEO that had to step down because he wound up giving Epstein... It was found out that he gave Epstein, like, $150 million that they couldn't explain why?

   7. MBMike Baker30:35

      Wow. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan30:36

      Wasn't that- wasn't that the case, Jamie?

   9. YJYoung Jamie30:37

      That's right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan30:38

       So it's one of those things where there's obviously value in having all these people on your side.

   11. MBMike Baker30:45

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan30:45

       But when you do get all this information on these people, like, what are they trying to accomplish with it? This is the question. Are they trying to get support for... Uh.

   13. MBMike Baker30:55

       Oh, yeah. Yeah.

   14. JRJoe Rogan30:55

       "Apollo CEO to step down after firm finds more payments to Jeffrey Epstein: $158 million." He paid the convicted sex offender $158 million. (laughs)

   15. MBMike Baker31:05

       What does it... If you can... Can you scroll down a little bit, Jamie? Uh...

   16. JRJoe Rogan31:10

       Yeah. "His plan to step down as chief: 'I- I have advised the Apollo board that I will retire as CEO before my seventh bir- seventieth birthday in July.' Remain as chairman." Oh, he's gonna remain as a chairman. Uh.

   17. MBMike Baker31:22

       (laughs)

   18. JRJoe Rogan31:22

       "New York Times detailed-"

   19. MBMike Baker31:24

       (laughs) That sucks.

   20. JRJoe Rogan31:24

       "... at least $75 million-"

   21. YJYoung Jamie31:26

       I'm really getting ahead.

   22. JRJoe Rogan31:26

       "... in payments and found that Mr. Black had paid Epstein $158 million in a five-year period ending in 2007- '17. He also lent Mr. Epstein more than $30 million, only $10 million of which was paid back." (laughs)

   23. MBMike Baker31:39

       Wow.

   24. JRJoe Rogan31:39

       So that's a guy that they got something on him.

   25. MBMike Baker31:41

       I love this. He... (laughs) Leon, Leon viewed, um, Epstein as a confirmed bachelor with eclectic tastes.

   26. JRJoe Rogan31:49

       Hmm.

   27. MBMike Baker31:49

       And this was after his 2008 guilty plea.

   28. JRJoe Rogan31:51

       Yeah.

   29. MBMike Baker31:52

       Wow. Um.

   30. JRJoe Rogan31:55

       Jesus Christ.
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00

   Right. …

   1. MBMike Baker45:00

      "You, if you put the dossier in there as a piece of information into this assessment, you're compromising the credibility of the whole thing because we don't believe it," right? And this is December, right? And Brennan instructed, and it's in writing, instructed them to go ahead and do it, right? Because it basically, he was, he liked the narrative, right? Of the Steele dossier.

   2. JRJoe Rogan45:23

      Right.

   3. MBMike Baker45:24

      And so he chose that over, um, the analytical, um, process, right? Over the discipline that you need to corroborate information that's going to go to a high-level, um, intel assessment. So, uh, you know, if anybody's in, in the crosshairs right now, it's probably John Brennan, right? In terms of, because he went up on, on Capitol Hill at some point and, and, and said that, you know, the Steele dossier didn't form an important point of, or, you know, wasn't in the, the document, wasn't in the ICA. The ICA is now out there and, and sure enough, it was not only in the annex, it was in the body of the report, which gives it much more credibility. So, yeah, so he, uh, you know, I, I'm not a lawyer but, uh, you know, I think he should be concerned a little bit about where that might go. But Obama reportedly, and it's in email traffic, you know, requested, right, a different ICA. And so shortly thereafter, they produced a report-

   4. JRJoe Rogan46:24

      How does he say it?

   5. MBMike Baker46:26

      Uh, I forget what the exact wording, I'm not gonna get into-

   6. JRJoe Rogan46:27

      'Cause that's the crazy thing.

   7. MBMike Baker46:28

      Yeah, but yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan46:28

      If you have a bunch of experts-

   9. MBMike Baker46:30

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan46:30

       ... that give you an assessment, "This are the facts-"

   11. MBMike Baker46:32

       Mm-hmm.

   12. JRJoe Rogan46:32

       "... this is how it went down," you're like, "I don't like those facts."

   13. MBMike Baker46:36

       Well, I don't think he, I don't think he said-

   14. JRJoe Rogan46:37

       "I want a different version of it."

   15. MBMike Baker46:37

       ... "I don't like the facts," and that's where this is gonna be a, a problem. Anybody who thinks Obama's gonna go to prison for treasonous conspiracy, I think, again, much like Pam Bondi, you know, with the, the, her treating of the Epstein files which was ridiculous, uh, Tulsi Gabbard's gotten out over her skis. Treasonous conspiracy, uh, i- i- it was Obama-

   16. JRJoe Rogan46:51

       Is that what she said?

   17. MBMike Baker46:52

       That's what she said. (stammers) It's not gonna happen. Anybody who thinks Obama's going to, forget about it, you know? It'll be, you'll be lucky if you get any consequences of anything out of this. Again, I'm, I'm very cynical about where investigations go.

   18. JRJoe Rogan47:03

       Well, isn't this also-

   19. MBMike Baker47:04

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan47:04

       ... based on the Supreme Court's justification of everything that Trump did-

   21. MBMike Baker47:08

       Right.

   22. JRJoe Rogan47:08

       ... while he was in office-

   23. MBMike Baker47:09

       Right.

   24. JRJoe Rogan47:09

       ... to say you can't try him for-

   25. MBMike Baker47:11

       Immunity.

   26. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       ... things they do when they're off, yeah.

   27. MBMike Baker47:12

       Yeah, immunity for, you know, for acting, you know, uh, under the authority as a president, um, but, so, and it's also very nuanced, right? He can sit in there, he's perfectly got the right to sit in the meeting and say, "Okay, well, I tell you what, let's, let's sit on this," right? And James Clapper and the others agree, "Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna take this document and we're gonna set it aside, that we all worked on, now we wanna restructure it focused on, you know, the outcome of the election, and the Russian meddling, and where this went, and how they..." So it was, he can do that, right? And it's nuanced and he can... And, and never get in trouble because, yeah, fine, you've got the right to do that. I mean, it's not, it's not illegal by any means. But there is no doubt in my mind that there was a desire to, um, to drive this thing in a certain direction, right? And so, there is no doubt in my mind that-... A, th- first of all, using the Steele dossier in there was, it was just horse shit, right? Because that, that thing, th- th- there hasn't been any allegation in that Steele dossier that's, that's been verifiable, and they knew that, right? So, so they went and they ... Remember, they used that Steele dossier in part to then go to FISA courts and, and get warrants, right? So that's another issue that I think from a legal perspective, again, not a lawyer, but I think y- some people should be probably concerned about how they represented that information knowing, right? Based on s- kind of what we're seeing from the, the, the document releases from Tulsi Gabbard. But again, you can see by virtue of how difficult I'm, I'm, I'm trying to explain this, it's much more complex, right, than just them bad, these guys good, these guys good, these guys bad, right? It's, there is layers here that I think need to be examined, and I think that, um, at the end of the day, you're not really going to get ... much like every fucking everything else that happens in DC, you're not gonna get a lot of satisfaction on this one. But I do think f- I'm convinced that, yeah, they drove this narrative. Shortly after, into January, when they released the new ICA, then suddenly, leaks to the press and that's when the Russia collusion story happened, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan49:20

       Mm-hmm.

   29. MBMike Baker49:21

       And that's the, you know, that's the, that's the thing that they should be focused on, right? They're, uh, they're losing, they're losing the, the message because they're, they're throwing shit out there. There's a lot of detail, and people get bored, and, you know?

   30. JRJoe Rogan49:35

       (laughs)
5. 1:00:00 – 1:08:43

   Well, I think a…

   1. MBMike Baker1:00:00

      Autopen was primarily used for, you know, um, you know, sort of wrote, uh, pardons, um, collective pardons where they're pardoning, you know, for a, an action, if, you know. And so you have a number of people included in that that you're, you're giving pardons to.... but, um, all of this, whether it's that, whether it's any of the other things we've been talking about, at the end of the day, it's, it's no wonder ... Look, people's confidence level in politicians, in, and government institutions, and the media is at an all-time low, right? And that, that's a, I think that's, it's a really dangerous thing. But I don't see how you walk the dog back on that, right? I mean, what, what ... How do you do that? How do you, how do you suddenly create more trust in any of those things?

   2. JRJoe Rogan1:00:45

      Well, I think a lot of people thought that draining the swamp would create trust, right? The idea of Trump coming into office. We had four terrible years under Biden. Trump's gonna come in and clean things up.

   3. MBMike Baker1:00:55

      Mm-hmm.

   4. JRJoe Rogan1:00:56

      Everything's gonna make sense now. But everything is ju- just as chaotic, if not more, and just as confusing. I mean, there's good things that are happening.

   5. MBMike Baker1:01:05

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan1:01:05

      The closing of the border is clearly a good thing.

   7. MBMike Baker1:01:07

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan1:01:07

      That was-

   9. MBMike Baker1:01:08

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan1:01:08

       ... fucking scary and dangerous.

   11. MBMike Baker1:01:10

       Yeah, no, from, from ... Look, from a, from a policy perspective ... Look, the, the other day, they had, um, like nine crossings, right? Nine, right, compared to maybe 10,000, 11,000, 12,000 a day in, in-

   12. JRJoe Rogan1:01:22

       Right.

   13. MBMike Baker1:01:23

       ... the previous administration. Um, so that, that's a, that's a huge win, and that's what they should be talking about. And they should be talking about, um, the, the trade deals, right? They got a good trade deal with Japan. They got a good trade deal with Indonesia. They got a good trade deal with Vietnam. They, you know, signed one with the UK. They're getting ready for the European Union. Um, there's things that they should be talking about and instead, once again, we're fucking consumed with what we've been discussing, Epstein and the Intel manipulation. You know, I mean, you think of Biden's condition, and (laughs) it's ... God.

   14. JRJoe Rogan1:01:53

       Obama and treason and-

   15. MBMike Baker1:01:55

       Yeah.

   16. JRJoe Rogan1:01:55

       Yeah.

   17. MBMike Baker1:01:55

       Yeah, so it's, it's really ... It's, it's disappointing, but, you know, I'd ... Again, I don't know how ... You know, it, it, it ... This is a, it, it ... I'm not sure where I'm going with this other than the fact (laughs) that it's, it- it- it's very depressing if you think about, you know, where our focus is right now, right? There's a lot of flashpoints around the world, a lot of real serious crises, right? And, and, and threats to national security and, and concerns. And, you know, the, the, the White House can't seem to, you know, get a focus, right? On, on things, and ... But yeah, the, the border thing is a, is a great win. That's a, that's a very ... From a, uh, national security issue, that's a terrific win.

   18. JRJoe Rogan1:02:36

       Yeah, the, the fact that it was open for so long is so insane to think that anybody would think that would be a good idea, unless you wanted chaos.

   19. MBMike Baker1:02:46

       Yeah. Y- that, that is always discussed as, like, was it intentional? I don't see how it's not intentional, right? I mean, that's ... 'Cause y- we can see now after six months (laughs) of the, the, the second Trump administration, that you can fix the problem, right?

   20. JRJoe Rogan1:02:59

       Yeah, they could've fixed it instantly.

   21. MBMike Baker1:03:00

       It's very fixable. They could've done it, and they, and they chose not to, so y- you know. Clearly there, there's a lot of people in that, in the D- Dem party, in the Democratic Party that, you know, are fans of or believe in open borders. Um-

   22. JRJoe Rogan1:03:13

       But there's also the moving of the people to swing states and the fact that it changes the number of Congressional seats regardless of whether or not someone's there legally or illegally.

   23. MBMike Baker1:03:23

       Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan1:03:23

       Once they do a census on how many people live there, it raises the number of Congressional seats that's available.

   25. MBMike Baker1:03:29

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan1:03:29

       Which is crazy.

   27. MBMike Baker1:03:30

       Well, yeah. It- it-

   28. JRJoe Rogan1:03:32

       All the ... All that's so wild, that it's so transparent.

   29. MBMike Baker1:03:35

       I ... Yeah, I mean, look at, look at, you know, look at Europe. I, I know that's kind of a ... You know, people talk about this, but look at France, look at the UK. I mean, e- though, you know, much smaller environments, and you can see what happens when you have massive migration, right? And it's ... And look, hey, I'm, I'm not, I'm not against immigration. I'm just saying it should be legal. You should know who's coming across your border.

   30. JRJoe Rogan1:03:55

       Yeah.

Episode duration: 2:29:46