Joe Rogan Experience #2355 - Mike Baker

1. 0:00 – 2:57

   South Park’s “no limits” satire and why cartoons hit harder

   1. MBMike Baker0:00

      (drum roll) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.

   2. NANarrator0:04

      The Joe Rogan Experience.

   3. JRJoe Rogan0:06

      Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music) We're up. We're up. We're up. Mike Bay- Mike Baker, what a-

   4. MBMike Baker0:14

      (laughs)

   5. JRJoe Rogan0:14

      ... good time to talk to you.

   6. MBMike Baker0:16

      What a fine time.

   7. JRJoe Rogan0:16

      What a good time to have you in.

   8. MBMike Baker0:17

      What a fine time.

   9. JRJoe Rogan0:18

      There is so much chaos.

   10. MBMike Baker0:19

       There's... (laughs) It's so fucked up.

   11. JRJoe Rogan0:20

       There's so much madness.

   12. MBMike Baker0:21

       Oh my God.

   13. JRJoe Rogan0:22

       Did you see the South Park episode?

   14. MBMike Baker0:24

       Which- which- which one? Ta-

   15. JRJoe Rogan0:25

       They did a Donald Trump one with Satan.

   16. MBMike Baker0:28

       No. No.

   17. JRJoe Rogan0:29

       It's fucking hilarious. (laughs)

   18. MBMike Baker0:31

       Oh, I gotta- I gotta watch. I love it. The show is fantastic.

   19. JRJoe Rogan0:34

       (yawning)

   20. MBMike Baker0:34

       I raised my three boys on that show w- much to my wife's horror, but it's a great show. But I haven't seen that episode.

   21. JRJoe Rogan0:41

       It... When you think... Like, Bridget Phetasy had a funny quote, like, "When you think that they have reached the bottom of- of the, uh-"

   22. MBMike Baker0:47

       (laughs)

   23. JRJoe Rogan0:47

       "... the highest level of not giving a fuck, they reach, uh, unseen levels." Is it... (sighs) The whole... The Epstein thing is so crazy.

   24. MBMike Baker0:56

       Yeah.

   25. JRJoe Rogan0:56

       Like, and him saying, like, "What do you care? Why does everybody care about Epstein?" Like, wha- (laughs)

   26. MBMike Baker1:01

       (laughs) Well, that's a... Yeah, I... But it is.

   27. JRJoe Rogan1:03

       (sighs)

   28. MBMike Baker1:03

       Look, I mean, uh, uh, although w- again, going back to South Park, uh, yeah, once they did the woodland creatures episode all those years ago, you thought, "Okay, that's gotta be the- the worst they can get," but-

   29. JRJoe Rogan1:12

       Which one was the woodland creatures one?

   30. MBMike Baker1:13

       Oh my God, you gotta look it up. It was... It's fantastic. It... I- I'm not gonna do it justice if I try to explain what it's about. I- I guarantee you.
2. 2:57 – 4:23

   Epstein outrage: missing footage, broken bones, and the public’s disbelief

   1. JRJoe Rogan2:57

      The Epstein stuff is so crazy-

   2. MBMike Baker2:58

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan2:58

      ... because when Kash Patel was on here and he was like, "There's no... There's nothing," and I was like, "What are you talking..." Uh-

   4. MBMike Baker3:05

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan3:06

      I didn't even know what to say. My thought was... And people are like, "Why didn't you push back more?" My thought was like, "I'm just gonna put this out there and let the internet do its work," 'cause there's nothing I can-

   6. MBMike Baker3:13

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan3:13

      The guy's saying there's no f- tapes, there's no video. That doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows it doesn't make any sense. Let's just... And then he didn't know about the Mi- the Michael Baden stuff-

   8. MBMike Baker3:24

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan3:24

      ... the autopsy stuff where it showed that he had three broken bones in his neck, which never happens-

   10. MBMike Baker3:29

       Yeah.

   11. JRJoe Rogan3:29

       ... when you hang yourself.

   12. MBMike Baker3:30

       Yep.

   13. JRJoe Rogan3:30

       Even when you, like, leap from somewhere with a rope around your neck and it snaps your neck-

   14. MBMike Baker3:37

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan3:37

       ... you never have three broken bones.

   16. MBMike Baker3:38

       And he's in a prison cell. He's not-

   17. JRJoe Rogan3:40

       Yeah.

   18. MBMike Baker3:40

       ... launching himself off the first floor balcony.

   19. JRJoe Rogan3:42

       The whole thing was nuts.

   20. MBMike Baker3:43

       Um, yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan3:43

       And then they were li- he's like, "Well, we have a film. We're gonna release that film." And the film has a fucking minute missing from it.

   22. MBMike Baker3:48

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan3:49

       Like, do you think we're babies? Like, what is this?

   24. MBMike Baker3:51

       Plus, also, you got... You- you got people ma- including Dan Bongino, right, making bank for a couple of years talking about how awful it is.

   25. JRJoe Rogan3:58

       Yeah.

   26. MBMike Baker3:58

       And, "We gotta get this shit," and, "This is..." "This..." "Huge conspiracy." And- and then you release a two-day... You know, a two-page memo that says, "Yeah, there's nothing to see here."

   27. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       Yeah.

   28. MBMike Baker4:05

       You know?

   29. JRJoe Rogan4:05

       'Cause you're walking by your bedroom window and you see-

   30. MBMike Baker4:07

       Yeah.
3. 4:23 – 6:01

   Maxwell, DOJ inaction, and the political scramble to ‘release the files’

   1. MBMike Baker4:23

      Yeah. No, it... But, you know, and they're actually doing it, right as we- as we speak, um... And I find this fascinating, is that the, uh, the Assistant Attorney General, Todd Blanche, is down in Florida for an interview with Ghislaine Maxwell, right? She's serving t- 20 years in- in a Florida prison for sex trafficking, right?

   2. JRJoe Rogan4:41

      To who, though?

   3. MBMike Baker4:42

      Um, f- what's that?

   4. JRJoe Rogan4:43

      To who?

   5. MBMike Baker4:45

      Well, sh- he's down there to interview her, but-

   6. JRJoe Rogan4:46

      Right, but I'm saying, she's- she's sex traffic to who?

   7. MBMike Baker4:49

      Oh, she was- well, she was a- a co-conspirator of Epstein's, right?

   8. JRJoe Rogan4:52

      But don't you have to have a person-

   9. MBMike Baker4:54

      But ex- yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan4:54

       ... who you're sex trafficking to in order-

   11. MBMike Baker4:56

       Exactly, and they talked about the victims somewhat during her trial. It was very... I mean, it was- it was a very difficult trial in the sense of, you know, they're- they're trying to, uh, protect certain victims and- and others were coming forward. But, you know, the- my surprise was nobody from DOJ has ever... According to her legal team, nobody has ever interviewed her from DOJ.

   12. JRJoe Rogan5:18

       (laughs)

   13. MBMike Baker5:18

       Right? So, Department of Justice. So, this is the first time-

   14. JRJoe Rogan5:21

       (laughs)

   15. MBMike Baker5:21

       ... the Department of Justice. You're telling me-

   16. JRJoe Rogan5:22

       Uh...

   17. MBMike Baker5:22

       And meanwhile up on Capitol Hill, you've got Democrats like Adam Schiff and others going, "We have got to release these fucking files." They had four years under the previous administration, right?

   18. JRJoe Rogan5:30

       Yeah.

   19. MBMike Baker5:30

       Look, everybody's fucked in this- in this situation, but they had all that time to do whatever they wanted to do and nobody, up until this point apparently, has talked to her. Now, you know, some folks on the legal side are saying, "Well, look, if she had anything interesting to say, she would've said it during the course of her trial," right? To save herself or to cut a deal.

   20. JRJoe Rogan5:47

       No.

   21. MBMike Baker5:48

       Uh, but now her-

   22. JRJoe Rogan5:48

       I don't think so.

   23. MBMike Baker5:49

       I don't... Yeah.

   24. JRJoe Rogan5:50

       'Cause they'll kill her.

   25. MBMike Baker5:50

       Yeah. Well-

   26. JRJoe Rogan5:51

       The smartest thing for her to do-

   27. MBMike Baker5:52

       Yeah.

   28. JRJoe Rogan5:52

       ... is to keep her fucking mouth shut, which is what she did.

   29. MBMike Baker5:54

       Right.

   30. JRJoe Rogan5:55

       They put her in a cushy prison where she could do yoga.
4. 6:01 – 24:53

   Media hypocrisy & NPR bias: ‘truth is a distraction’ controversy

   1. JRJoe Rogan6:01

      I'm gonna- I'm gonna send you this, Jamie, 'cause this... Somebody tweeted this and it's just so perfect. And it's... It just shows you how crazy this- this whole thing has been, like, from the very beginning. This is, uh... Someone tweeted this, from The Atlantic.And this is what, what it, what's funny about this, um... Check this out, Jamie. (laughs) So i- it's these fucking people. It's like, they all knew her, they all knew him.

   2. MBMike Baker6:30

      Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan6:30

      So many people knew him and knew her and they're all pretending that they didn't-

   4. MBMike Baker6:35

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan6:35

      ... that know one knew. Check this out. This is The Atlantic, says... (laughs)

   6. MBMike Baker6:40

      (laughs)

   7. JRJoe Rogan6:40

      Scroll, go up, Baker, so we can see it, so we can see the quote below it, below it.

   8. MBMike Baker6:44

      I'm trying, I'm trying. I zoomed.

   9. JRJoe Rogan6:46

      No, go back.

   10. MBMike Baker6:47

       No, I know I zoomed it.

   11. JRJoe Rogan6:48

       There we go. I can't read it.

   12. MBMike Baker6:51

       There you go.

   13. JRJoe Rogan6:52

       There it goes. Uh, "This is what The Atlantic p- posts. If the Epstein scandal teaches us anything, it's that America needs a dedicated and decently funded group of people whose job it is not to just ask questions, but to find answers." And then this guy, Sean Davis, posts, "The woman on the right is Ghislaine Maxwell. She trafficked children for Jeffrey Epstein. The woman on the left owns your magazine."

   14. MBMike Baker7:16

       (laughs)

   15. JRJoe Rogan7:18

       This is so fucking wild-

   16. MBMike Baker7:21

       Yeah. Yeah. Everybody-

   17. JRJoe Rogan7:21

       ... just that alone-

   18. MBMike Baker7:23

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan7:23

       ... is so wild that they would have the balls to post that.

   20. MBMike Baker7:26

       Yeah.

   21. JRJoe Rogan7:26

       "We need dedicated journalists-

   22. MBMike Baker7:29

       Yeah.

   23. JRJoe Rogan7:29

       ... not just people asking questions," which is like, for sure, an attack on podcasts.

   24. MBMike Baker7:35

       Well-

   25. JRJoe Rogan7:35

       Like, listen, you guys didn't do shit.

   26. MBMike Baker7:39

       Yeah. Yeah.

   27. JRJoe Rogan7:39

       You didn't do shit. So just asking que- just the fact that we're just asking questions along with that, or is this a knock on the defunding of PBS, which is essentially a propaganda network for the Democratic Party?

   28. MBMike Baker7:52

       Yeah. Yeah, which is now being apparently, we'll see if that happens, but apparently being defunded. But yeah, look, everybody's, everybody's worried now, right? N- uh, at first it was like, okay, again, I go back a handful of years, nobody was, was pushing for this, right? Because you got people from all sides probably on whatever that list looks like, whatever that Epstein file looks like. Whoever was involved, you got people from all sides of the spectrum here going on. And so everybody's worried, so it looked like, all right, you know, there's kind of this bizarre bipartisan moment where we're not gonna push for this really. We're not gonna make a big effort here. We're not sending anybody from DOJ. The Dems aren't, during the Biden administration, calling for the release of the files. Now all of a sudden they smell, you know, blood in the water and a particular, you know, political motivation here, so let's get these files out and, you know, nobody's gonna look good from this. But I, again, I, I, I would caution some, you know, uh, that just because a f- a name might be in a file, no matter whose it is, right, doesn't necessarily mean there's nefarious activity. It could be like any, any police file, right, that says, okay, the individual stopped at this particular location and this person was there. Doesn't mean they're connected to something awful. It w- weren't fucking underage girls. Maybe they were if they're in the file, right?

   29. JRJoe Rogan9:06

       Yeah.

   30. MBMike Baker9:06

       But I'm just saying, there's a lot of people probably in that file that are gonna be named, if it ever comes out, who may or may not have been engaged in, in, in, uh, illegal activity. But just release the goddamn things.
5. 24:53 – 1:08:43

   Epstein as an intelligence operation? Blackmail mechanics and who would exploit it

   1. JRJoe Rogan24:53

      So, what do you think, from your perspective, what do you think that was all about? Who do you think was involved in that? Do you think it was the Mossad? Do you think it was-

   2. MBMike Baker25:04

      (sighs) Yeah.

   3. JRJoe Rogan25:04

      ... some rogue intelligence agency in America? Was it a coordinated effort?

   4. MBMike Baker25:09

      You know what, I, uh, I know there's, you know, there's a lot of talk about, you know, did he have some sort of intel connection, right?

   5. JRJoe Rogan25:15

      Right.

   6. MBMike Baker25:16

      Uh, uh, that, uh ... You know, from my perspective, it's complete speculation, but I will say, like, from an operational perspective, I, I have no idea. Was it Mossad, was it anybody? Who knows?

   7. JRJoe Rogan25:24

      Right.

   8. MBMike Baker25:25

      But from an operational perspective, if you see a guy like this who's super connected and is ... And, you know, like, all the way back to, what, 2008, was, like, his first trial, right? So he's had a long history of this, these problems. But if you know that he's kind of engaged in a variety of things, um ... As an example, if I'm the, if I'm Chinese intel, right? And I, I just read the goddamn entertainment news and, you know, there's these rumors and allegations of, you know, high-level people flying off to his island, I'm gonna think that's interesting. Because potentially, if I could get an access to source there, if I can get somebody, right, inside that operation, whether it's Ghislaine Maxwell or whether it's Epstein himself, whether it's somebody who's just on the outskirts of it, maybe I'll, I'll start picking up some pretty interesting leverageable information on people that maybe I want to influence, right?

   9. JRJoe Rogan26:15

      And it's so funny to me that it's always comes down to, like, carnal needs.

   10. MBMike Baker26:20

       Mm.

   11. JRJoe Rogan26:21

       And carnal desires.

   12. MBMike Baker26:22

       Yeah.

   13. JRJoe Rogan26:23

       It's always sex.

   14. MBMike Baker26:25

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan26:25

       Because these guys, when you get to, like, this Bill Gates level and Bill Clinton level, you can't just go pick up gals at the bar.

   16. MBMike Baker26:33

       (laughs) Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan26:33

       You know what I mean?

   18. MBMike Baker26:33

       It's a little tough, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan26:35

       So if you're a super famous super freak and, you know, you'll, you'll like chasing skirts, but, you know, you can't do it, like, what do you do?

   20. MBMike Baker26:43

       Well, you do what he did, right? Which is you get y- you know, somebody to procure for you, which apparently was primarily Maxwell's job.

   21. JRJoe Rogan26:49

       Yeah.

   22. MBMike Baker26:49

       And she's out there and, and, you know, she was described, uh, uh, you know, usually as his girlfriend, but she was clearly operating as his pimp or whatever the female version of a pimp is. And-

   23. JRJoe Rogan26:58

       Oh, p- yeah, curator.

   24. MBMike Baker27:00

       Curator, (laughs) yeah, it's a curator.

   25. JRJoe Rogan27:01

       Yeah.

   26. MBMike Baker27:02

       And so, he's, uh ... You know, she's out there doing that, but look, a- again, you know, I, I, I can't speak to, you know, uh, you know, the, the rumors about him working for one intel agency or another. But I will say, if I'm working for an intel agency and I see something like that, uh, yeah, I might find that of interest, right?

   27. JRJoe Rogan27:20

       Oh, for sure.

   28. MBMike Baker27:20

       And then I would, I would definitely go after somebody to see what's going on, just ... I- if for no other reason than, you know, again, maybe it's a, it's a opportunity there, you know, like-

   29. JRJoe Rogan27:29

       Well, it's the easiest connect-the-dots puzzle-

   30. MBMike Baker27:30

       Right.
6. 34:37 – 37:24

   Trust collapse inside institutions—and why the ‘internet era’ changes everything

   1. JRJoe Rogan34:37

      It's like these guys that are all involved in this are still... They've been around for a long time and they have this mentality that existed before the internet, where you could just kind of put stuff-

   2. MBMike Baker34:48

      True.

   3. JRJoe Rogan34:48

      ... out there-

   4. MBMike Baker34:49

      Yeah.

   5. JRJoe Rogan34:49

      ... and you wouldn't have all these psycho sleuths out there that are gonna go over everything with a fine-tooth comb.

   6. MBMike Baker34:54

      Yeah.

   7. JRJoe Rogan34:54

      Especially guys who are tech wizards who can look at the metadata-

   8. MBMike Baker34:59

      Yeah.

   9. JRJoe Rogan34:59

      ... and they can figure this kind of stuff out.

   10. MBMike Baker35:01

       Well, shit died a lot quicker, you're right. So something would happen... And look, we- we still have ADHD, right? Collectively as a nation, right? I mean, things move on and I think maybe that's what they're... You know. And some people are saying, "Look, they've called a recess on Capitol Hill because they figure by the time they come back in September, everybody will have moved on from this." Right?

   11. JRJoe Rogan35:17

       Yeah.

   12. MBMike Baker35:17

       I think they're wrong. I don't, I don't think this is... This... Again, this, this feels like and- and just looks like that one of those handful of conspiracies, again you go to JFK or whomever, that's just gonna hang around.

   13. JRJoe Rogan35:29

       This is a line in the sand.

   14. MBMike Baker35:30

       Yeah.

   15. JRJoe Rogan35:30

       This one's a line in the sand.

   16. MBMike Baker35:31

       Yeah.

   17. JRJoe Rogan35:32

       Because this is one where th- there's a lot of stuff about... You know, when we thought Trump was gonna come in and that a lot of things were gonna be resolved.

   18. MBMike Baker35:41

       Yeah.

   19. JRJoe Rogan35:41

       We're gonna drain the swamp, we're gonna figure everything out. And when you have this one hardcore line in the sand that everybody been talking about forever, and then they're trying to gaslight you on that...

   20. MBMike Baker35:52

       Well, you would have thought that-

   21. JRJoe Rogan35:53

       Is that your phone?

   22. MBMike Baker35:54

       ... I did. Yeah, I hope not. Oh.

   23. JRJoe Rogan35:56

       What is it?

   24. MBMike Baker35:56

       It's my wife. Should I answer?

   25. JRJoe Rogan35:58

       It's on silent, buddy.

   26. MBMike Baker35:58

       Um, yeah. It's on... You know, it was on silent, but it still goes. How does that happen? It literally-

   27. JRJoe Rogan36:03

       The government?

   28. MBMike Baker36:04

       ... is on silent. And-

   29. JRJoe Rogan36:05

       Are you sure?

   30. MBMike Baker36:05

       Yeah. No, I'm positive, 'cause it's, it's got a little thing up top that says silent. And, uh, and it still goes.
7. 37:24 – 46:37

   Tulsi Gabbard document release: Russia meddling vs ‘Russia collusion’ narrative

   1. MBMike Baker37:24

      Yeah, you know, it's funny because with the agency, it's not like the bureau. The agency, uh, I think most people honestly don't really probably give a shit about the Epstein files. They're more, they're more concerned now about this release from Tulsi Gabbard and the talk about, you know, manipulating intelligence, you know, for the 2016 election-

   2. JRJoe Rogan37:43

      Right.

   3. MBMike Baker37:44

      ... and Russian collusion and all of that. That speaks more to the agency than, than the Epstein files does, just from a, you know, whose responsibility is whose, right? This whole Epstein thing is a DOJ, FBI issue. Um, I think if they're concerned about it, it's because of how it erodes trust in organizations, institutions, right? And, and that's happened a, uh, a lot. So, you know, I, it... There's a lot of, a lot of good people. I know, again, every time I talk about the agency, people are like, "Fuck you, you're such a shill." But there's a lot of good people doing very difficult work for the agency, right?

   4. JRJoe Rogan38:16

      I believe that. I believe that.

   5. MBMike Baker38:18

      And, and so, you know, I think, if anything, they, they take it personally when people think, "Oh, fuck the CIA. You gotta, you gotta burn it down and start over again." You know, like they said with the FBI as well.

   6. JRJoe Rogan38:28

      I've talked about that many times.

   7. MBMike Baker38:29

      Yeah, yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan38:29

      Like, "You don't know what the fuck is going on in the world. The world is filled with chaos."

   9. MBMike Baker38:32

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan38:33

       Like, you need people that are paying attention to that shit, and they should be on your side.

   11. MBMike Baker38:36

       Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan38:36

       They should be on the side of the American people, paying attention to threats. I- if you think that that's, that not paying attention at all is gonna do you any good when there's all these countries out there that are fucking plotting constantly, you're crazy.

   13. MBMike Baker38:49

       Yeah, no.

   14. JRJoe Rogan38:49

       You c- this is a... You're living in a utopia. You're living in a fake world. The real world is filled with madness.

   15. MBMike Baker38:55

       Yeah, it is.

   16. JRJoe Rogan38:56

       You gotta have people paying attention to it.

   17. MBMike Baker38:57

       Yeah. And I think... So I think that, you know, to answer that, that question, I think they're more, they're more focused on or interested in or, you know, looking at this issue of, you know... And, and it's, it's surfaced again, right at the same time as the Epstein files, right? Now, it's like sucking all the oxygen out of the room for the past couple of days. Tulsi Gabbard comes out and says, "I'm releasing these documents." She releases these documents. It's-

   18. JRJoe Rogan39:19

       What do you think about all that? Like, so this is the accusation. They're, they're, they're throwing around the word treason.

   19. MBMike Baker39:25

       Yeah.

   20. JRJoe Rogan39:26

       They're saying that Obama knew that Russia did not meddle in the election, did not have any impact in the election, but yet promoted this idea. And then there's been some incredible clips of all these different news reporters, CNN and MSNBC just saying over and over and over again, "Clear evidence of Russian collusion." And-

   21. MBMike Baker39:46

       Yeah, yeah.

   22. JRJoe Rogan39:47

       And-

   23. MBMike Baker39:47

       And you had Hillary Clinton saying, you know, is, is, uh, you know, an air of illegitimacy around Trump's, you know, victory-

   24. JRJoe Rogan39:52

       Mm-hmm.

   25. MBMike Baker39:52

       ... you know, from 2016, because of this. I mean, she was very clear about it, um, and-

   26. JRJoe Rogan39:57

       But they're also saying-

   27. MBMike Baker39:57

       ... as were many others, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan39:58

       ... the noose is tightening on Trump.

   29. MBMike Baker40:00

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan40:00

       It's all gonna come out. He's an agent of Russia.
8. 46:37 – 53:59

   ‘Treason’ framing and expectations management: why DC investigations disappoint

   1. MBMike Baker46:37

      ... "I don't like the facts," and that's where this is gonna be a, a problem. Anybody who thinks Obama's gonna go to prison for treasonous conspiracy, I think, again, much like Pam Bondi, you know, with the, the, her treating of the Epstein files which was ridiculous, uh, Tulsi Gabbard's gotten out over her skis. Treasonous conspiracy, uh, i- i- it was Obama-

   2. JRJoe Rogan46:51

      Is that what she said?

   3. MBMike Baker46:52

      That's what she said. (stammers) It's not gonna happen. Anybody who thinks Obama's going to, forget about it, you know? It'll be, you'll be lucky if you get any consequences of anything out of this. Again, I'm, I'm very cynical about where investigations go.

   4. JRJoe Rogan47:03

      Well, isn't this also-

   5. MBMike Baker47:04

      Yeah.

   6. JRJoe Rogan47:04

      ... based on the Supreme Court's justification of everything that Trump did-

   7. MBMike Baker47:08

      Right.

   8. JRJoe Rogan47:08

      ... while he was in office-

   9. MBMike Baker47:09

      Right.

   10. JRJoe Rogan47:09

       ... to say you can't try him for-

   11. MBMike Baker47:11

       Immunity.

   12. JRJoe Rogan47:11

       ... things they do when they're off, yeah.

   13. MBMike Baker47:12

       Yeah, immunity for, you know, for acting, you know, uh, under the authority as a president, um, but, so, and it's also very nuanced, right? He can sit in there, he's perfectly got the right to sit in the meeting and say, "Okay, well, I tell you what, let's, let's sit on this," right? And James Clapper and the others agree, "Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna take this document and we're gonna set it aside, that we all worked on, now we wanna restructure it focused on, you know, the outcome of the election, and the Russian meddling, and where this went, and how they..." So it was, he can do that, right? And it's nuanced and he can... And, and never get in trouble because, yeah, fine, you've got the right to do that. I mean, it's not, it's not illegal by any means. But there is no doubt in my mind that there was a desire to, um, to drive this thing in a certain direction, right? And so, there is no doubt in my mind that-... A, th- first of all, using the Steele dossier in there was, it was just horse shit, right? Because that, that thing, th- th- there hasn't been any allegation in that Steele dossier that's, that's been verifiable, and they knew that, right? So, so they went and they ... Remember, they used that Steele dossier in part to then go to FISA courts and, and get warrants, right? So that's another issue that I think from a legal perspective, again, not a lawyer, but I think y- some people should be probably concerned about how they represented that information knowing, right? Based on s- kind of what we're seeing from the, the, the document releases from Tulsi Gabbard. But again, you can see by virtue of how difficult I'm, I'm, I'm trying to explain this, it's much more complex, right, than just them bad, these guys good, these guys good, these guys bad, right? It's, there is layers here that I think need to be examined, and I think that, um, at the end of the day, you're not really going to get ... much like every fucking everything else that happens in DC, you're not gonna get a lot of satisfaction on this one. But I do think f- I'm convinced that, yeah, they drove this narrative. Shortly after, into January, when they released the new ICA, then suddenly, leaks to the press and that's when the Russia collusion story happened, right?

   14. JRJoe Rogan49:20

       Mm-hmm.

   15. MBMike Baker49:21

       And that's the, you know, that's the, that's the thing that they should be focused on, right? They're, uh, they're losing, they're losing the, the message because they're, they're throwing shit out there. There's a lot of detail, and people get bored, and, you know?

   16. JRJoe Rogan49:35

       (laughs)

   17. MBMike Baker49:35

       So, I think that's, that's a problem they're gonna have here trying to push this thing forward, and I do think also that Tulsi Gabbard should've been a little bit more circumspect in the way she explained this, right, and how she described the actions, 'cause I think there were some people who are culpable in terms of going after this narrative and pushing this Russia collusion story that then wasted a couple of years and, you know, God knows how much money on investigations and impeachment hearings and all the rest of it. Um, but then-

   18. JRJoe Rogan50:03

       Why do you think she chose to frame it that way? Do you think she was instructed to do that or she was guided to do that or encouraged to do that?

   19. MBMike Baker50:10

       (laughs)

   20. JRJoe Rogan50:10

       'Cause if, if-

   21. MBMike Baker50:11

       Yeah, I don't know.

   22. JRJoe Rogan50:12

       ... if it d- if it's not warranted, if you don't believe it's warranted based on the evidence that you've looked at-

   23. MBMike Baker50:16

       No.

   24. JRJoe Rogan50:16

       Like, she's the Director of National Intelligence.

   25. MBMike Baker50:20

       Yeah.

   26. JRJoe Rogan50:20

       How does-

   27. MBMike Baker50:21

       Well, I think, I think she's ... Part of it is the realization that looks ... I mean, sh- you, you put that information out there, I think it would've been more, mm, appropriate if she'd released all the documentation, said, "Here's ..." And, and lay out in a very good, like almost like a PowerPoint presentation for the, you know, make it very simple for the press, 'cause the press isn't inclined to pursue this because the press were complicit, right?

   28. JRJoe Rogan50:40

       Right.

   29. MBMike Baker50:41

       So you're trying to say, "This is what these people did and you helped them."

   30. JRJoe Rogan50:45

       Right.
9. 53:59 – 1:03:55

   Biden mental fitness, Fifth Amendment pleas, and the autopen pardons question

   1. MBMike Baker53:59

      Yeah, they didn't know what else to do, and, and, and ... By the way (laughs) , there's so much going on right now. Um, today, speaking of Kamala and, and now, now we're gonna speak about Biden, but today, uh-... was his name, the chief of staff, uh, the former chief of staff for Biden, I think he was only there for a couple of years, uh, Ron Klain was up on Capitol Hill to talk because they're holding these interviews up on Capitol Hill to try to figure out what the hell was going on, right? What, at what point did people decide they're gonna cover up the mental condition of Joe Biden? And that's another ... Look, I mean, uh, yeah-

   2. JRJoe Rogan54:33

      And then they're all pleading the Fifth?

   3. MBMike Baker54:34

      They're all pleading the Fifth. Kevin O'Connor, his, uh, the White House doctor, um, plead the Fifth. Um, senior advisor to Jill Biden, uh, what's his name? Bernal, Andrew Bernal, plead the Fifth, right? Um, you know, and Ron Klain apparently stayed up there for a couple of hours talking, right? But, you know, again, I don't think ... He wasn't there for the last couple of years of the administration I think, but he was there for the debate prep, right? And he's come out publicly and said, "I was shocked at his condition." So, you know, people-

   4. JRJoe Rogan55:03

      I think they set him up for failure in that debate.

   5. MBMike Baker55:07

      Hm.

   6. JRJoe Rogan55:07

      Why ... First of all, why are they having a debate that late? Why would they agree to a debate at 9:00 PM-

   7. MBMike Baker55:13

      Yeah.

   8. JRJoe Rogan55:13

      ... when you got a guy who's really old-

   9. MBMike Baker55:15

      Yeah.

   10. JRJoe Rogan55:15

       ... and kind of broken down? Why would you do that?

   11. MBMike Baker55:18

       Television timing? Who knows? Uh, yeah. Yeah.

   12. JRJoe Rogan55:20

       And it seems like ... Didn't someone blame it on him being on Ambien?

   13. MBMike Baker55:25

       Yeah. Hunter did.

   14. JRJoe Rogan55:26

       Yeah.

   15. MBMike Baker55:26

       Hunter did.

   16. JRJoe Rogan55:26

       Hunter did.

   17. MBMike Baker55:27

       That fantastic interview that Hunter just did with, um-

   18. JRJoe Rogan55:29

       Yeah.

   19. MBMike Baker55:30

       I forget his name. Andrew Callaghan or something like that. Um, yeah. He, he referenced ... Now he's walking it back, saying, "I ... You know, I wasn't meaning that he was on Ambien during the debate. I'm just saying, you know, he was ... You know, they had him on Ambien because of his travel schedule." The guy was, the guy was at Camp David and, and resting in Delaware for 10 days prior to the debate, so yeah. I don't know.

   20. JRJoe Rogan55:52

       Jesus. What a mess. I think they set him up. I think they wanted him out, and this is the way to do it. Get him in the debate, don't give him his medicine.

   21. MBMike Baker56:01

       (coughs) Excuse me.

   22. JRJoe Rogan56:02

       Don't give him the proper medication to keep him up and peppy, and l- let him out there all confused, and apparently he had a cold at the time too, so it was ...

   23. MBMike Baker56:09

       But if you ... If, if they were gonna do that, wouldn't you think that they would, um ... I don't know, um, have a better plan? A plan B?

   24. JRJoe Rogan56:18

       No, they didn't have a plan, and I think-

   25. MBMike Baker56:20

       (coughs)

   26. JRJoe Rogan56:20

       ... the Biden administration, the people didn't want him to step down. There's people-

   27. MBMike Baker56:25

       Oh, okay.

   28. JRJoe Rogan56:25

       ... inside the organization that didn't want him to step down, particularly, supposedly, Jill. Jill did not want him to step down. But then there's the cancer thing. Like, how do they not know-

   29. MBMike Baker56:36

       Yeah.

   30. JRJoe Rogan56:36

       ... that he has cancer? Well they have to know.
10. 1:03:55 – 1:15:13

    Democrats’ identity crisis: Mamdani, utopian politics, and backlash to ‘woke’ branding

    1. MBMike Baker1:03:55

       You should have security. Um, you can't pay for everybody, right? I mean, so y- opening up your borders and saying, "Come on in, and we're gonna provide you with, with, you know, (laughs) whatever Mamdani in New York is providing, new ... free grocery stores and free bus and free childcare, and everything's gonna be free." Um-

    2. JRJoe Rogan1:04:14

       And they're gonna tax businesses.

    3. MBMike Baker1:04:15

       They're gonna, he said they're gonna tax-

    4. JRJoe Rogan1:04:16

       That's how they're gonna pay for it.

    5. MBMike Baker1:04:16

       That's what he said. He said, "And if you're wondering how I'm gonna pay for this, I'm gonna tax the rich," right? You think, like, "Oh my God."

    6. JRJoe Rogan1:04:22

       (laughs)

    7. MBMike Baker1:04:22

       How m- ... You know, Stalin. You, you've been going all the way back to ... You know, it, it, it ... Communists have been talking that way for years, feeding the same bullshit lines to gormless sheep, where just now Mamdani's just talking to a new generation of sheep, and, and, uh, you know, he could well end up as the mayor.

    8. JRJoe Rogan1:04:39

       Well, it's, the thing is, like, utopian perspectives are really attractive to young people because you see-

    9. MBMike Baker1:04:44

       Mm-hmm.

    10. JRJoe Rogan1:04:44

        ... the way these older rich people have been running the world.

    11. MBMike Baker1:04:48

        Yeah.

    12. JRJoe Rogan1:04:48

        It's all corrupt. They don't care. They're all capitalists and monsters. All they care about is money. I don't have any money. I want them to take the money away from the rich people and give it to the poor people, and then everything will be fine.

    13. MBMike Baker1:04:59

        Yeah. No, and, and-

    14. JRJoe Rogan1:05:00

        It's, like, a common thought-

    15. MBMike Baker1:05:01

        Yeah.

    16. JRJoe Rogan1:05:01

        ... amongst young people.

    17. MBMike Baker1:05:02

        Look, I, I, I get it. I, I mean, if you're a young person, you probably look at your parents. If your parents have done okay, done well, and you're thinking, "Well, that ... You know, maybe I'm not gonna be able to do that," right?

    18. JRJoe Rogan1:05:12

        Right.

    19. MBMike Baker1:05:12

        I mean, a lot of young folks now are saying, "I can't buy a house. How am I gonna get a down payment for a house," right? Um, "You know, I'm drowning in school loans," which of course they took out. Uh, but ... So I get the frustration in a sense, and so I think, you know, Mamdani is doing, again, what, you know, a lot of slick socialists or communists in the past have done, right? He's speaking to the, to the masses, and he's using all these platitudes. And there will be an element that, that buys into it, right? Because they haven't seen how shitty it can be, right?

    20. JRJoe Rogan1:05:41

        Well, it seems like a huge element bought into it. He won the primary.

    21. MBMike Baker1:05:43

        He won the primary, yeah. No, I, I think-

    22. JRJoe Rogan1:05:45

        So what happens now? So Eric Adams is the current mayor.

    23. MBMike Baker1:05:48

        Mm-hmm.

    24. JRJoe Rogan1:05:49

        So if this guy wins the primary, is, is Adams e- even ... Is it possible for him to run? Like, what ... How does it work now?

    25. MBMike Baker1:05:58

        Well, I guess, I mean, he could run as a ... He could run as a Independent, um, which maybe is his intention. Um, yeah.

    26. JRJoe Rogan1:06:06

        'Cause he apparently is still running, right?

    27. MBMike Baker1:06:08

        Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

    28. JRJoe Rogan1:06:09

        He plans on running.

    29. MBMike Baker1:06:10

        Wasn't Cuomo also planning on running, or did he drop out again?

    30. JRJoe Rogan1:06:13

        I believe he's still trying to run as well.

Episode duration: 2:29:46