EVERY SPOKEN WORD
155 min read · 30,663 words- 0:00 – 15:00
(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast,…
- JRJoe Rogan
(drumbeats) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out.
- GBGregg Braden
The Joe Rogan Experience.
- NANarrator
Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. (rock music plays) We just missed a fabulous conversation about your hair.
- GBGregg Braden
(laughs) You have the best hair. We, we talk-
- JRJoe Rogan
I would not wear headsets if I was you.
- GBGregg Braden
Are, are we recording right now?
- JRJoe Rogan
Yeah, we, we're going now.
- GBGregg Braden
So, did you ever know Wayne Dyer?
- JRJoe Rogan
No, I didn't know Wayne Dyer. Did we ... Wait a minute, do we have Wayne Dyer on the podcast, ever? Like way, way, way, way, way back in the day?
- GBGregg Braden
I was, uh, I was on a cruise with ... We had the same publisher, Hay House, is our publisher. And we were on a cruise just off Australia. Of course, the sun's out there, and Wayne came out, and he's got a very shiny head. He said, uh, "Gregg Braden." I said, "Yeah?" He says, "You see this?" And I said, "Yeah." He said, "This is a solar panel for a sex machine."
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay. (laughs)
- GBGregg Braden
And, and I, I couldn't, I couldn't match that, you know?
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- GBGregg Braden
So I said, I said, "Well, you see this?" I said, "These are ... Every one of these, every one of these hairs is a highly advanced, finely tuned antenna to higher dimensional state spaces of information." And so, that was our joke about hair and, (laughs) and no hair.
- JRJoe Rogan
Imagine if, like, that's what made you enlightened, how much hair you had, and then when it started to fall out, you got dumber.
- GBGregg Braden
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
(laughs)
- GBGregg Braden
Well, like I said, they, they ... Every decade of my life, they're saying, "If you have it this decade, you can keep it." So when I hit my 70s, they said, "You got this-"
- JRJoe Rogan
That's interesting.
- GBGregg Braden
... "you got this, this, uh, you can probably keep it," so ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, yeah. If you have minoxidil, like, if you've got, like, really good at it today, and there's a bunch of different, uh, DHT inhibitors that are topical that they could use. My friend, Derek, from Derek Moore Plates, More Dates, it's a website. He's got a bunch of, like, protocols on how to save your hair. So people who wanna save their hair.
- GBGregg Braden
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
Um, but we were talking about Art Bell when you came in here-
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... 'cause there's a photograph of Art on the wall that, like, was one of the most important things for me to put up. Like, we talked about it, and Jamie and I were like, "Oh, you gotta get a ... We gotta get a metal picture of Art Bell." Because that was the guy, man. When I was driving home from The Comedy Store at, like, 1:00 in the morning, and I was listening to AM radio, Coast to Coast with Art Bell from the Kingdom of Nigh.
- GBGregg Braden
That was it? (laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
It was my favorite. This was like all ... For me, it was kinda pre-internet too. Like, may- ... You know, the internet existed, but it wasn't the thing that it is now. There was no podcasts.
- GBGregg Braden
No, but you know, the crazy thing is the stuff that was on that program that was all fringe is what everybody's talking about every day at, at lunch-
- JRJoe Rogan
Totally mainstream now.
- GBGregg Braden
... at lunch right now.
- 15:00 – 30:00
I completely agree, but…
- GBGregg Braden
things? It could be one of the most unifying factors right when we're on, on the, the precipice of, of war.
- JRJoe Rogan
I completely agree, but we have to make a lot of leaps in order for that to be real. Like, we haven't seen any writing, so why would they assume that there's a bunch of different kinds of writing in different languages?
- GBGregg Braden
Um, they ... I, I actually think they have seen, um ...
- JRJoe Rogan
Who's they?
- GBGregg Braden
Well, when our space program ... I think, uh, you've had guests on that talked about this in the past, I think. When our s- space program w- was active, uh, there were broadcasts from the lunar surface, uh, that were cut off, and astronauts had seen things that they were not allowed to see and not allowed to share.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's what I heard.
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah?
- JRJoe Rogan
It sounds fun.
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
It sounds really fun. I wanna believe that.
- GBGregg Braden
Well, and some-
- JRJoe Rogan
But I don't.
- GBGregg Braden
... some of them are leaving this world now, and on their, m- you know, on their deathbed, they're, they can't believe that this hasn't been made, made public already. So there have been, you know, recordings and videos and things, and I, I think they're authentic.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- GBGregg Braden
I think they're authentic.
- JRJoe Rogan
But this does it. There's like ... We haven't got boots on the ground in Cydonia, right? So, like, how ...
- GBGregg Braden
No, not, not Cydon-
- JRJoe Rogan
Of, of course.
- GBGregg Braden
Cydonia is Mars.
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, I ... exactly. So how are they seeing these inscriptions? Are you saying these inscriptions are on the moon?
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah, lunar surface. I'm sorry.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, l- okay.
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah, lunar surface.
- JRJoe Rogan
All right, I was confused. I was confused. So these astronauts are saying that on the surface of the moon, they saw writing.
- GBGregg Braden
They've seen structures.
- JRJoe Rogan
Structures.
- GBGregg Braden
Massive structures that-
- JRJoe Rogan
But what about the writing, like ...
- GBGregg Braden
... were there. They, uh ... (laughs) There were reports that they had seen the writing, but we can't verify those. We can't verify those.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- 30:00 – 45:00
So space itself is…
- GBGregg Braden
are in proximity of, of something that is dangerous to them, like an exploding, you know, whatever. And what they'll do is they'll create jets from the center, um, b- ... both direction, these jets that actually move them out of the way. And I, I talk about s- ... I've got a new book and I talk about that in, in the new book, uh, so it's documented in, in the book. They actually move them to a, a safer place. And you say, "Well, maybe that's a fluke. It's a one-off." And now ... but they have found that. They have found it happens time and time again.
- NANarrator
So space itself is conscious in some form?
- GBGregg Braden
Conscious ... Okay, conscious and intelligent, and those are two, two very different things. But that is a very different story. If, if our universe is alive and intelligent and conscious, and we are the product of an intentional act-... we solve our problems, Joe, and we build our world based on the way we've been taught to think about ourselves. We use our resources. We, um, we apply our technology based on the way we've been taught to think about ourselves. And we have been taught that we are a flawed form of life, that, uh, we are powerless victims of the world around us. And because of that ... This is gonna lead into this whole conversation. Because of that, we need a savior, and that savior is being touted as technology. So now, we are living at this time where we're being encouraged, indoctrinated, coerced, mandated sometimes, to embrace the technology outside of our bodies, because we have been conditioned to believe that we are, are a broken, flawed form of life. And you're seeing this play out in the AI conversation. You're seeing it play out in, um, what's called the trans-human movement, the, the intentional movement to replace our humanness with computer chips in the brain, chemicals in the blood, RFID chips under the skin. Uh, and it's all playing out right now, Joe. I mean, this, uh, this can't go on for, you know, another 20 years, because it's moving too fast. This is the generation, right? And this, I'm very passionate about this. The experts are saying unless we change our trajectory right now, we very probably are the last generation of pure humans that the world will ever know. That by 2032, when you go to the supermarket or go to the airport, the people you talk to will be some hybrid, maybe some more and some less, but will have some kind of technology embedded into their, into their bodies. I was on a panel recently, and I was with a group of scientists, and they said, "Well, what's wrong with that? You know, isn't that the next step? Isn't that our, our natural step in, in, uh, in our evolution?" And I said, "No, it is not, and here's the reason. When we replace our natural biology with synthetics, our natural abilities begin to atrophy." Cells will ... Let me just give a perfect example. Um, y- ... We used to be taught ... (laughs) When I was in school, I was taught that we're, we're born into this world with a fixed number of brain cells. And every, every beer I drank in college-
- NANarrator
Yeah, I remember that.
- GBGregg Braden
... all right, you're, I'm gonna lose some brain cells. Well, what I'm gonna say next is not a reason to drink the beer.
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- GBGregg Braden
But what they found, there's a part of the human brain, it's the hippocampus, that is producing new brain cells until the last breath we take on this, this Earth. There's a catch, and the catch tells the story. If we do not use those new brain cells in a meaningful way within about seven to 10 days, the body says, "Oh, you didn't use it, so you must not need it," and those cells will atrophy and die.
- NANarrator
That makes sense, 'cause I always feel dumber when I come back from vacation. (laughs)
- GBGregg Braden
(laughs) Are you drinking beer on the, on vacation?
- NANarrator
Not this time.
- GBGregg Braden
No.
- NANarrator
But sometimes, yeah. Well-
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- GBGregg Braden
But that principle ... So i- it's called use it or lose it. We've all heard that. That principle applies to every system in the human body. It applies to our cognitive abilities, to our reproductive system. And when we replace our natural biology with these synthetics, this is exactly what's happening. Uh, and it ... We've been doing this long enough. Virtual reality goggles, for example, they've been around long enough. Psychology Magazine has published article after article. If you take young kids with malleable brains, parents are busy, they wanna entertain them, so they sit them on the floor, put a virtual VR goggle on, and, you know, three or four hours a day and say, "Hey." So here's the kid. They're just sitting there like this, and they're seeing images that they would never see in their backyard, and colors, and sounds, and situations. But here's the thing: it's all being done for them. They are not using their imagination like you and I did when we were kids. They're not using their imagination, so, so now, what's happening is, there are parts of their brain that are atrophying. So they are, uh, diminished cognitive abilities, diminished language skills, diminished communication skills. But listen to this. The visual cortex, which is what they're using to watch everything, is enlarged in the brain. The visual cortex gets bigger because that's what ...
- NANarrator
That's what's getting exercised.
- GBGregg Braden
That's what they're doing. Now, because of epigenetics, all of that can be reversed when the kids are put into a healthy environment, go outside and play with your friends.... you know, they're young enough that they can reverse that.
- JRJoe Rogan
Right.
- GBGregg Braden
Uh, I spent a lot of time with shamans in, um, in the Yucatan, and in, um, in Peru, Costa Rica, places like that. And they've, they found the same thing. Uh, the shamans that maybe do, you know, v- 5,000 ayahuasca journeys, because they're leading groups, and every time the group does it, they do it, so, you know, they're doing that. Their visual cortexes are, are enlarged, but their other abilities are diminished. Now, if you're a shaman in the jungle, maybe that's no big deal. But if you're a software engineer in Silicon Valley, writing code for nuclear triggers, and on the weekends, you know, this is what you're doing every weekend, chronically, uh, it could be a problem.
- JRJoe Rogan
Have they done studies on that, where they've shown the declined ability, or-
- GBGregg Braden
Yes. Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
... cognitive function, due to psychedelic use?
- GBGregg Braden
Uh, yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Really?
- GBGregg Braden
They have. Um-
- JRJoe Rogan
With any specific psychedelics?
- GBGregg Braden
Ayahuasca was one. And, and I hesitate, because there are different, different kinds of, of ayahuasca-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- GBGregg Braden
... different, uh, that's called a brew, different kinds of, of brew.
- JRJoe Rogan
So is the idea that people are overdoing it, they're doing it too much?
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But that's fairly recent,…
- GBGregg Braden
the ability to do that is the secret that has been hidden within the mystery schools, within the religions, uh, and it is the reason for everything you're seeing happening in the world today. There's a concerted effort, Joe, to deny us our ability to express our humanness, and part of that effort is replacing our humanness with technology. So, that's a big statement, and I, I know we'll-
- JRJoe Rogan
But that's fairly recent, right? The, the effort to stop people from expressing their human, uh, humanness. That's not recent.
- GBGregg Braden
Well, so now, now we're gonna get to the crux of it.
- JRJoe Rogan
Okay.
- GBGregg Braden
So here's, uh, and I wasn't sure how we'd get into this. I lost my mom to COVID, uh, just a couple years ago, and right before she died, she looked at me and she said, "Greg, the world is going to hell in a handbasket." (laughs) And I always got the 'going to hell' part. I never knew exactly what the 'handbasket'" (laughs) meant.
- JRJoe Rogan
I never understood that phrase. What is that phrase?
- GBGregg Braden
I, I, I don't know, but I knew what she meant. And what she meant was, it, that the world looked scary to her, Joe-
- JRJoe Rogan
Mm-hmm.
- GBGregg Braden
... and it does to a lot of people. It looked like things were happening for no reason, for no a- apparent, there was no apparent structure. It looked like things were just popping off here and there, out of control. It looked crazy, and she said, she said, you know, "This isn't my world anymore." Well, we are in the middle of a process. The process has a beginning, it has an end. We're in it. The only way out of it is to go through it, and that's why I'm excited to have this conversation with you. The two, two parallel themes that are playing out on our, in our world right now, and we, we can explore both of them. One, there is a concerted effort for the first time in the history of our world to remake, the stated intent, to remake our world and to remake our bodies. Now, we've never had the technology to do that, but we, we do now. So, the, the intent to remake the world and remake our bodies, that's one conversation. The other conversation, the best science of the modern world is showing us that we're not what we've been told. We're so much more than we've been led to believe, and we're about to give our humanness away to the technology before we even know what it means to be human if we remake our bodies. So, this is, and this is in this generation. This, this cannot drag on for, you know, five years, 10 years, because all the tech is being pushed on us so quickly. I'm a systems thinker, and rather than get into the weeds of the Democrats and the Republicans, and liberals and conservatives, and, which is all important, and we can have that conversation, but there's something much, much bigger that's playing out here, and it literally, it, we're in a battle for our humanness. And if we don't claim our humanness, there are powers and forces that will stop at nothing to deny us our humanness. One of the reasons they're denying it is what we just said, because it's through our humanness that we have these extraordinary potentials that empower us as sovereign, critically thinking, self-regulating human beings. And it's very difficult to play out the agendas that are proposed for the world upon populations that are sovereign, critically thinking, self-regulating human beings. So, just like-
- JRJoe Rogan
Well, the problem seems to be-
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... power and control.
- GBGregg Braden
It is.
- JRJoe Rogan
That's the problem. And the only way to have power and control over people is to limit their ability to express themselves, and then keep them at each other's throats.
- GBGregg Braden
Well, that's-
- JRJoe Rogan
And that, that is, those are two things that ha- are happening all the time with, with social media.
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
The people that manage social media are consistently trying to limit the reach of people that have-... voices or narratives that don't approve, that they don't approve of. And-
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
... uh, ultimately, what w- you're seeing in other countries is moving to digital IDs. This is just implemented in Europe-
- GBGregg Braden
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
... and in the UK.
- GBGregg Braden
Yep.
- JRJoe Rogan
You're seeing it in a lot of places where you're gonna have to need that to work and vote and travel.
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah.
- JRJoe Rogan
And, and it'll be even more of a constriction on your ability to express yourself, particularly when you think about the UK, which has had more than 12,000 arrests for very mild social media posts.
- GBGregg Braden
Isn't that crazy? I mean, I'm-
- JRJoe Rogan
Criticizing-
- GBGregg Braden
... I can't believe that. I, I, I've been watching this stuff play out.
- JRJoe Rogan
Fascinating, and the, the, the fact that the, our mainstream media is relatively silent on this is insane. You're, you're seeing a, a complete, total attack on one of the most fundamental principles of the Western world, which is your ability to express yourself and your ability to call out that you think that the policies that are being implemented in your country are destructive. That, that's, people have always been able to do that. These people are not calling for violence.
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Sure. …
- GBGregg Braden
the oldest records of the New Testament and the texts that were excluded were discovered in a little village along the Nile in Egypt called Nag Hammadi. Uh, it's, can I just tell? It's a crazy story.
- JRJoe Rogan
Sure.
- GBGregg Braden
Th- there's not much firewood, uh, along the Nile in Egypt and there was a, a woman, uh, who needed kindling to feed her family, to build the fires to feed her family and heat their home, and she, she told her son, "Go find some kindling," and he was very resourceful. There's no trees, so he found an old tomb, and in the tomb were clay vases, and he opened those vases and there were, uh, documents that were very dry and brittle and made great kindling.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh, no.
- GBGregg Braden
And we don't know how many were lost, uh, before the authorities were noted, but right now there are 13 bound-
- JRJoe Rogan
They, they cooked a bunch of them?
- GBGregg Braden
They burned and they used them for fuel.
- JRJoe Rogan
Oh my God.
- GBGregg Braden
But, but, so here, but here's, here's what's left. What's left, there were, uh, 13 bound books representing over 50 texts. They were the oldest records of the New Testament-... uh, and they were the records that were excluded by the, the Catholic Church.
- NANarrator
Is there any images of these books?
- GBGregg Braden
Yeah.
- NANarrator
Jamie, can you find those? I want to take a look at them.
- GBGregg Braden
Well, I've got them on my... I brought this for you. (laughs)
- NANarrator
All right. Oh, Jamie found them.
- GBGregg Braden
If you want to look at them but... Yeah. So there's, there's the 13, uh, bound texts. So among these were things like the Gospel of Thomas, which is considered the second most heretical book, uh, in the Nag Hammadi Library. There's the Gospel of John, also called the Secret Book of John, also called the Apocryphon of John, which is considered the first most heretical book. Uh, there are books from Gnostic women. Thunder Perfect Mind is a book by a Gnostic woman that's in there. The Gospel of James is in there. So these, these... And I'll be very clear, uh, if you had Wes Huff here, who I know you've had before, and I think he's, he's a brilliant scholar, uh, he would say that these are not accepted. Um, because of... They're not accepted by the Church because of dating and because of... You know, there, there's a lot of reasons. But there's a lot of new research showing that, uh, that these are worthy of, um, of exploring, uh, w- with the same validity that we give to the other texts that we're seeing now.
- NANarrator
What are they dated to?
- GBGregg Braden
They, uh, they're dated late 1st, early 2nd century, somewhere right around there. Some, some of them later. Um, the, the, uh, the Book of John, the Secret Book of John, what makes it so exceptional is that he believes... He said that it, it was dictated to him by, uh, Jesus of Nazareth after his crucifixion. So it wasn't before, it came after. But the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Thomas is one of the... probably the most controversial. It's 114 sayings, um, that were recorded by, uh, by Thomas. And the book says Didymus Thomas, uh, was, uh, was the name. And it's almost like... I- it's different from all the other books in that it is... each saying is, is a teaching unto itself. And what he is saying, uh, are, um... Again, I'm hesitating 'cause we're just covering so much ground here. Uh, what... Yeshua was his name. What he was teaching was so profound for his time. There were outer teachings and inner teachings. The outer teachings were for the masses and is primarily what you see in the Gospels. The inner teachings were for those initiates that could really understand what it was he was saying, and that's what the Gospel of Thomas, uh, appears to be. It did come from a later time. I don't think it invalidates that, uh, uh... you know, what it is that, that is being said in there.
- NANarrator
What is being said that's so controversial?
- GBGregg Braden
Well, there's 114 sayings in there, but the bottom line, and this is one I think w- that is probably one of the most well-known, where he says, "What you have, what you bring forth from within you will save you, and what you don't bring forth f- from within you will destroy you." He's saying there's a power inside of us that has to be expressed, and these texts are all about how we awaken that, that power. Okay? So the name... I'm gonna use a word and then I'll, I'll define it. The name that is given to that power traditionally is called divinity, but it has nothing to do with religion. So that association is made because there are schools of divinity that make that, and they're, they're great schools, they do great things. But the contemporary definition of divinity, I, I love this, the ability to transcend perceived limitations. And that's it. So the ability to trans- to transcend, to become more than perceived... Joe, you and I, our listeners, we are, we are living limits that probably aren't even real. We're living within limits that we have been indoctrinated to accept about ourselves. Divinity is our ability to become the best version of ourselves. Expressions of divinity, imagination. I mean, no other form of life can do what we do with imagination, and I, I wanna talk about that in just a moment. It's more than just a picture in your mind. Um, an i- an image in the mind is setting into motion a cascade of chemical effects in the human body that literally change us. We are changed in the presence of the right kind of imagination, and the books tell us how, how to do that. So imagination, creativity, innovation, empathy, sympathy, love, compassion, healing, forgiveness, these are expressions of human divinity. It's what sets us apart from all other forms of life and makes us such powerful beings. The purpose of evil... And this might be the most important thing that, that we say today, because it's a nebulous concept, good and evil, until y- until you give the benchmark. The purpose of evil is to deny human divinity. The purpose of evil is to deny us our greatest expressions, imagination, creativity, the ability to communicate and share our ideas, empathy, sympathy, c- self-healing, all of those things. So in a very real sense, Joe, anything that denies those things is an expression of evil. So when we find that algorithms are denying us the ability to communicate our ideas, from this perspective, that's an expression of evil. When we find... when we put something into our bodies that prevents us from healing our own bodies, that is an expression of evil. What the Gnostic texts are saying is that we are in a process that has a beginning and an end, and the purpose of the process, ahem, is to deny humankind.... our own humanness, that has been playing out over eons. And now, the technology is allowing it to play out to a greater degree, because things like AI, things like... misused. I'm not anti-AI. It's how it's used. Uh, things like computer chips in the brain, computer-brain interface, all these things, what they're doing, Joe, is they are denying our humanness. Use it or lose it. We've... if we're using technology in place of our imagination, for example... and the psychology journals are, are full of articles about this. People that chronically use... artists, musicians. My wife is a voting member of the Grammys, and we just had this conversation. Uh, you've got musicians who go to ChatGPT and say, "Hey, write me a song," and now put some music to that song, and now you enter it with the Grammys, and you are competing against a human who has labored 30 or, or so years to master their voice and, and an instrument, and you say, "Is that fair?" Well, they're, they're struggling with that right now, but... So, these are all expressions of, of anything that denies our humanness, uh, from that perspective, is an expression of evil. Who is doing that? That is what those texts are all about. That's what the texts are, are, are talking to us about.
- NANarrator
Here's an interesting. Uh, this is Gospel of Thomas 114. This is how it ends.
- JRJoe Rogan
"Simon Peter said to them, 'Let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life.' Jesus said, 'Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male, so that she too may become a living male spirit similar to you. But I say to you, every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.'" Okay.
- GBGregg Braden
So, what they're talk-
- NANarrator
Interesting.
- JRJoe Rogan
What is going on?
- GBGregg Braden
Can you, can you go... Pull, pull-
- NANarrator
(laughs)
- JRJoe Rogan
I'm just, uh...
- GBGregg Braden
Pull, pull up... I'm not sure why you chose that one.
- NANarrator
I read just those
- NANarrator
... parts-
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Sure, I remember. …
- GBGregg Braden
it was so primitive, Joe. It, it's like a (laughs) -
- NANarrator
Sure, I remember.
- GBGregg Braden
It's like a tennis game on a screen. But computers were new and we'd never seen anything like... I would go to work, uh, I, I was in a secure area, DOD, working on the Peacekeeper missile project. After lunch, guys would come in on their CRT screens. They'd be mesmerized. They couldn't help it. They were mesmerized with this game of Pong, this little boom, boom, boom, boom and that's all it was, okay? So, the point is, Pong w- was pervert- pervasive in, in our culture. Everybody knew what it was, all right? 2022, scientists did an experiment, and I've got it... Uh, he can find it or I've, I've got it on that. Uh, you can bring it up if you wanna see it. I actually... Pong is on there if you bring up the Pong file.
- NANarrator
This, this is part of the problem with the PowerPoint stuff. This, this kind of stuff happens. I don't think that's what you intended to show, is it?
- GBGregg Braden
Well, you can see, you can see part of it.
- NANarrator
But that's-
- GBGregg Braden
A- well, can you back up?
- NANarrator
... covering... No, I mean, it's... The PowerPoint is-
- GBGregg Braden
Back a couple slides and there's... There is the-
- NANarrator
The PowerPoint is ruined.
- GBGregg Braden
There it is, right there. And he should be able to... Is it gonna animate it for us?
- NANarrator
Well, I think most people know how Pong works.
And everybody knows how Pong is.
- GBGregg Braden
Okay, there it is.
- NANarrator
And I used to have it when I was playing.
But I'm p- I'm trying to say the thing you were trying to get me to show, which is the next slide, is... It's, it's got an error in the-
- GBGregg Braden
Well, so here, so here's what they did. 2022, scientists took-
- NANarrator
Okay. Never mind.
- GBGregg Braden
... neurons, b- but there was no human attached. And they put them into a Petri dish to keep them alive, and they hooked up the neurons to a computer chip. So, now you've got a, a, a biology technology interface. All right? So, the neurons are c- hooked up to a chip. The chip was put into a computer that was loaded with Pong. The neurons began playing the game of Pong, even though there was no human attached to the neurons. And the longer they played, the better they got. They were actually learning how to play Pong better. And now, the scientists are struggling with the question, "How does a neuron not attached to a human in a Petri dish know how to play Pong? Where are the instructions?" Okay, so, I remember when I was a kid, E- Einstein had died. And they had his brain thin-sectioned in um, uh, the University of Kansas, because they wanted to see what made his brain different from everybody else. And it looked pretty much like everybody else's, with one exception. He had a whole lot of folds in his brain. So, when you stretch those folds out, he had more surface area, he had more neurons. So, they're thinking... But there was... E=MC² wasn't in the brain, all right? So, now they're looking at those neurons, they're saying, "Where's the instructions for Pong?" You know, and they're trying to figure out where it is. Well, here's what this experiment is telling us. The instructions aren't in the neurons. The neurons are a biological antenna, a molecular antenna, that tune to the place in the field where Pong is pervasive. All right? The field. There was a time when the field was a metaphor. You know, uh, metaphysical people, spiritual people, you say, "Oh, yeah. You know, it's, it's out in the field." July 4th, uh, of 2012, the CERN Superconducting Super Collider made an announcement that they had discovered a field that had been predicted by Peter Higgs, the physicist Peter Higgs.
- NANarrator
The Higgs boson.
- GBGregg Braden
Eh- well, they found the Higgs boson, and what that implied was that there was a field supporting the boson, and now it's accepted science. They say, "Oh, yeah. There, there's a field." So... But here's the thing. I was at a conference recently. Here's what scientists are doing. This is a hoot. They're still saying this. They're saying, "Oh, yeah. There's a field out there that connects everything," and their hands are doing this. The field's not out there. We're the field. Okay? Ev- 50 trillion cells in the human body. Every one of those cells has about 100 trillion atoms emerging from the field and collapsing into the field right now. You and I. We're constantly... The, the atoms in our bodies are emerging and collapsing-... into that field. We are the field, and that is what makes us so powerful. This is why we can heal our bodies almost instantaneously when we know how to access this part of ourselves, because we hold the blueprint that tells those atoms how to express when they come into the body. So if you've got something you don't like in your body, what you do is you are using the gift of imagination to create a new blueprint for that atom to come into. And that sounds crazy to some people, and there's a lot of science that's struggling with this. But when you get into the quantum world, you get into the fact that the Higgs field exists, you get into the fact that imagination in the mirror neurons of the human brain... Mirror neurons were only discovered in 2004, and the, the thing about mirror neurons is they don't know the difference between watching an experience and having an experience. So for example, you can be on the couch on a Sunday afternoon watching the Joe Rogan Show (laughs) with an exciting guest. You're just laying there, but your heart might be racing and your body's perspiring, your muscle... Or maybe you're watching soccer, because your neurons don't know the difference between watching and having the experience. This is why porn is so addictive, because the mirror neurons don't know the difference between having and, uh, and witnessing the experience. They're gonna kick up the same addictive chemicals, the same dopamine, the same, uh, levels of, of adrenaline watching the image as they are having the image. Here's where our power comes from, because the image can be imagined. When we are able to hold an image of ourselves fully enabled, fully capacitated, fully healed, fully awakened, hold that image, what we're actually doing is we're programming the body. And this is something... Shamans know this, and I live in northern New Mexico. Our indigenous healers all know this. I spent a lot of time in Peru and the Andes, the, uh, the Andean Peruvians. They use different language. So, so the point of all of this is we're not what we've been told, and we're so much more than we've been led to believe. And it is the attempt to deny that power that is driving so much of what we're seeing happening in, in our world today, and it goes way back.
- JRJoe Rogan
And so you think the motivation of that attempt is evil?
- GBGregg Braden
Yes.
- JRJoe Rogan
Is- Is it that- That's an actual force that people are giving into?
- GBGregg Braden
And this is... This is it.
- JRJoe Rogan
And that's why they're enacting all these levels of control, and that's why they're suppressing people and releasing bots on the internet? It's literally an expression of evil going through those people.
- GBGregg Braden
And evil, evil's not dar- not necessarily darkness. A lot of people confuse these. Darkness is simply a polar force. We, we live in a binary world. We've gotta have light and dark, plus and minus, boys and girls. You know, we live in... Uh, it... The darkness is a passive polarity. Evil has an active stated purpose, and the purpose of evil has always been, whether you're looking at those ancient texts or the Sumerian texts, uh, Mesopotamian texts, it's always been to deny, to deny us the greatest expressions of our humanness. And now, we live in a time... This is no ordinary time in history. There... None of this is happening in a vacuum. We're barreling down the road toward this convergence of so many natural cycles and the date 2030. That has been identified by the United Nations, by the WEF, by a number of corporations, by Ray Kurzweil. In terms of AI implementation, they're all looking at 2030. And what you're seeing are the powers and the forces of the world jockeying to be in the best position when this date is upon us. And I'm not saying that's like January 1st, 2030, but the United Nations, for example, they've got... A- and again, I don't know if I'm being redundant here, but they've got, uh, the UN SDG 2030, UN, United Nations Sustainable Development Goals they want implemented by the year 2030. They're not getting much traction, because they're not good ideas. Uh, the goals, if you read them on the outside, Joe, they're, they're deceptively beautiful. Who doesn't want food security? Who doesn't want the end of poverty? Who doesn't want the end of disease? Now, you look at the fine print. How will they achieve those goals? And that's where it gets very concerning, all right? They haven't had much traction, because the ide- the, the way to get there is concerning. They're not good ideas. Now, we look at World Economic Forum. I know you've had people talking about WEF. They've been around since 1971. They meet once a year in Davos. You know, they talk about what they would like the world to look like, and they have every right to do that. Uh, some of their ideas are very dystopian in my opinion, things like, uh, "You will own nothing and be happy." You know, we've heard that.
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